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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities 3/22/21
B
B
B
We
ask
for
proper
leadership
to
lead
this
country,
leave
this
state
and
lead
this
city
with
the
wisdom
and
the
knowledge
and
the
intellect
to
do
what
is
right
and
not
what
is
popular,
do
what
is
efficient
on
behalf
of
our
people,
that's
what
is
expected
of
us.
B
Let
us
realize
the
rules
that
we're
in
and
never
take
it
for
granted.
It
is
a
gift
by
the
public
for
us
to
serve.
We
pray
for
those
less
fortunate
and
we
pray
for
those
in
harm's
way
for
our
benefit.
These
prayers.
We
ask
for,
in
your
name,
let
us
all
say,
amen,
amen,
all
right,
minutes
being
deferred,
we're
down
to
item
e
acceptance
and
dedication
of
the
william
e
murray
boulevard
portion.
Mr
ryan,
good
afternoon.
C
Mr
chairman,
members
committee,
this
dedication
portion
is
a
portion
of
william
murray
boulevard,
which
runs
off
a
wildcat
boulevard
back
towards
the
glenn
mcconnell.
The
road
has
been
constructed
and
actually
the
plan
has
been
recorded.
The
the
deed
has
not
been
given
to
city
council
and
this
time
we're
just
recommending
for
acceptance
to
this
roadway
into
the
city's
roadway
system.
B
Okay,
what's
the
pleasure
the
committee
properly
moved
in?
Is
there
a
second
out?
There
probably
moved
in
second
any
discussion
on
that
dedication.
Hearing
none,
although
would
you
please
say:
hi
hi
hi
any
opposed.
Thank
you,
mr
brian.
We
down
the
item
too.
C
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
this
is
one
of
the
letters
we've
done
many
times
to
scdot,
saying
that
the
city
will
take
responsibility,
maintenance,
responsibility,
there's
some
granite
curbiness
to
be
installed.
This
project
is
actually
the
james
lewis
apartments
and.
C
Take
over
the
mates
of
that
granite
curve
on
that
project.
This
is
just
authorizing
us
to
write
that
letter.
B
Is
a
second
out
there
puppy
moves
in
second,
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
hi
hi,
hi,
anybody
against
it.
I
have
a
question,
mr
o'brien.
Before
we
get
into
temporary
encroachments,
I
drove
on
around
the
battery
yes
sunday
after
church.
Sometimes
we
often
do
and
as
soon
as
you
pass,
the
confederate
monument
you
know,
circling
around
and
the
world
is
busted
up
there.
Something
severely
I
missed
me.
B
C
C
Not
sure
if
that
part
of
the
road
is
not
d.o.t,
but
if
that's
the
case,
we
will
notify
them
immediately
and
also
get
them
to
take
care
of
it.
But
we'll
look
at
it
all
right.
Great.
Thank
you.
So.
C
No
sir,
mainly
we
have
irrigation
and
we
have
one
awning,
which
is
just
replacement
of
an
existing
awning.
So
all
these
have
been
through
the
process
and
received
the
proper
approvals
to
bring
you.
This
information
all.
B
Right,
thank
you,
mr
h,
h1,
the
medical
district
tunnel
extension
at
earhart.
We
just
heard
about
this
at
real
estate.
Mr
fountain.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
this
this
is
just
an
item
for
the
public
works
utilities
to
discuss.
If,
if
interested
the
acceptance
of
easements
from
usc
towards
the
furtherment
of
that
medical
district
tunnel
extension
at
earhart
and
expressed
support
for
council
of
those
eastmans.
B
For
approval,
second,
all
right:
any
discussion
on
that
again
good
work
on
that.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
most
cost
effective
extensions
in
the
city's
history
tapping
that
into
spring
fishman.
All
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed!
Thank
you
item
h2
barbary,
with
drainage
improvements,
mr
fountain.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
this
is
requesting
approval
for
a
fee
amendment.
That's
amendment
number
two
is
w.k
dixon
the
amount
of
the
amendment
between
just
over
twenty
nine
thousand
twenty
nine
thousand
eighty
dollars.
This
would
basically
be
support,
adding
support
services
for
potential
real
estate
acquisition
into
the
barbary
woods
project.
E
We
do
have
funding
available
in
the
drainage
fund.
For
this
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
show
the
the
brief
concept
we've
looked
at
at
this
point
for
the
the
project
and
we've
done
quite
a
bit
of
survey
work.
Both
physical
features,
as
well
as
like
wetland
tree
survey,
kind
of
more
of
an
ecological
side
of
survey
for
for
this
project.
E
At
this
point,
we've
we've
noticed
that
there's
likely
to
be
a
substantial
portion
of
property
acquisition
to
build
the
project
out
to
what
we
would
envision
it
to
be.
So
we
need
to
get
a
better
handle
on
on
costing
for
that
acquisition
to
be
able
to
kind
of
balance
that,
in
with
potential
versus
cost
benefit.
So
this
this
would
be
adding
those
services
into
the
contract
and
again,
I'm
happy
to
to
go
through
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
what
that
entails.
If
anyone.
B
B
Okay,
probably
move,
then
it's
get
a
second,
the
problem
with
a
second
any
more
discussion
on
that
amendment,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
good
night.
Thank
you.
B
Foreign,
thank
you
all
for
that,
one
all
the
favor,
please
say
hi
hi.
Thank
you.
Small
project
allocation
h4,
mr
fountain.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
last
last
meeting
the
committee
had
asked
us
to
take
a
look
at
options
for
potentially
phasing
some
of
the
projects
over
a
two
year
period
to
see
if
we
could
move
all
of
the
recommended
projects
forward,
since
we
weren't
too
far
away
from
the
allocation
we
had
available.
E
So
I
do
have
a
draft
of
that
available
for
us
to
discuss.
E
E
I
finished
it
up
the
last
finishing
touches
this
morning,
so
it's,
but
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
approach
and
I
think
it's
worth
discussion
and
to
see
if
there's
any
questions,
and
we
can
certainly
send
that
back
out
to
the
the
council
whole,
if
that's
the
committee's
committee's
interest,
or
look
at
options
to
to
modify
this
if
they
prefer
so
the
just
as
a
very
quick
overview,
basically
kind
of
highlighted
three
of
the
projects.
E
I
think
that
make
the
most
sense
to
shift,
and
I
should
back
up
certain
projects
are
really
you
know
really
shovel
ready
at
this
point
like
outfall
cleaning
and
things,
there's
really
no
reason
to
push
back
into
a
future.
That
would
just
be
delaying
the
money
I
mean
if
we
want
to
say
we
think
this
isn't
as
high
a
priority
and
we'd
like
to
push
it
back
to
a
future
funding
year.
That's
one
thing,
but
from
a
from
a
cash
flow
perspective,
some
of
those
don't
really
work.
E
So
what
I,
what
I
focused
on
ones
are:
where
there's
likely
to
be
some
design
and
permitting
efforts
and
coordination
efforts
with
other
agencies
which
typically
pushes
back
project
time
frame,
they're,
also
the
more
complicated
projects
so
from
a
project
management
side
at
the
city
level.
There's
also
how
many
projects
can
you
kind
of
take
on
simultaneously
and
make
progress
on
so
the
three
that
I
looked
at
are
the
the
first
one.
Is
the
harberson
ditch
stabilization,
so
this
one
again
we're
looking
at
basically
there's
a
relatively
large
outfall
canal.
E
Through
the
area
we
want
to
stabilize
a
bank,
that's
had
some
erosion,
it's
the
bank's
relatively
stable,
except
in
hurricane
scale.
Events.
Unfortunately,
we've
had
an
unfortunate
number
of
hurricane
scale
events
in
the
last
few
years,
so
I
think
it's
worth
taking
a
look
at
this.
A
little
more
engineering
coming
up
with
some
rough
plans
and
getting
almost
like
a
design
build
set
up
with
a
contractor
that'll
take
some
time
to
put
together,
we'll
have
to
probably
look
to
see
if
there's
any
critical
area
impacts
or
anything
else
in
that
area.
E
So
that's
a
good
one
to
push
back
a
little
bit,
it's
against
relatively
stable,
barring
hurricane
event.
If
we
do
get
a
catastrophic
hurricane,
it's
probably
eligible
from
a
more
like
a
fema
restoration
award.
If
we
get
a
really
large
scale
event,
the
savannah
highway
sidewalk
range
improvement.
This
has
kind
of
been
a
long
running
project
d.o.t
the
city,
both
kind
of
did
some
short-term
work
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
with
quite
a
bit
of
advocacy
from
the
the
neighborhood
there.
E
Again,
it's
a
relatively
expensive
project
trying
to
find
ways
to
avoid
some
of
the
major
ponding
water
issues
along
that
sidewalk
corridor.
But
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
work
in
coordination
with
got
since
it's
a
major
got
road
and
there'll
likely
be
traffic
impacts
during
during
construction.
So
I
think
anytime
we're
involving
d.o.t
on
a
major
highway.
It's
going
to
take
some
time
for
them
to
feel
comfortable
with
whatever's
being
recommended,
plus
there's
a
significant
number
of
grand
oaks,
obviously
along
that
area
that
we
don't
want
to
impact.
E
So
I
think
that's
one
where
it
would
benefit
from
the
engineering
time
before
we're
likely
to
move
into
a
construction
phase
on
any
of
that
project
work.
So
that's
one
that
can
could
do
the
same
same
approach
and
again
it's
you
know
we
hate
to
use
the
word
nuisance
flooding,
but
generally
it
is
sort
of
the
shallower
water
that
really
creates
a
pedestrian
impact,
but
it's
not
generally
flooding
people's
homes
or
causing
anything
catastrophic.
At
this
point
it
it
is
a
very
high
day-to-day
impact
because
of
that
pedestrian
disruption.
E
So
I
don't
want
to
minimize
that,
but
I
just
want
to
give
some
context
and
then
the
last
one
is
the
sandhurst
conveyance
improvement
in
alcohol
maintenance.
This
one
does
have
some
some
pretty
negative
impacts
to
the
neighborhood,
so
I
I
this
is
not
maybe
as
low
an
impact.
I
think
it's
just
it's
more
a
larger
scale,
more
complex
project
that
we
we
need
to
do
some
improvements.
The
outfall
we
need
to
basically
go
and
video
camera
some
of
the
existing
pipes
look
at
condition
work.
E
E
Improvements
where
some
engineering
work
may
actually
prevent
some
unnecessary
construction
costs,
instead
of
just
going
straight
to
construction
work
and
potentially
over
building
again,
that's
likely
to
have
a
combination
of
impacts
with
private
property
owners
with
city
drainage
events
and
potentially
dot
moving
across
some
of
the
roadways,
so
that
that
one
is
likely
to
again
have
a
multi-month
design
and
permitting
phase
and
then
another
few
months
of
coordination.
So
that
would
also
make
sense
that
we
likely
wouldn't
be
spending
the
majority
of
that
money
until
next
year,
even
if
we
started
immediately.
B
So
councilman
griffin.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Mr
fountain,
I
just
want
to
number
one.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
taking
your
time
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
to
listen
to
what
we
all.
I
thought
we
had
such
an
amazing
discussion
a
couple
weeks
ago,
honestly,
probably
one
of
the
best
discussions
that
we've
had
in
quite
some
time,
especially
when
we
know
we've
got
all
of
these
projects
that
are
sitting
in
front
of
us
and
we're
going
to
do
a
lot
of
good
to
our
constituents.
G
These
aren't
the
biggest
projects,
they're,
not
the
ones
that
are
going
to
take
years
to
do,
but
they
directly
impact
every
one
of
our
constituents.
I
mean
just
looking
at
the
ones
in
my
my
neighborhood
we're
taking
houses
that
used
to
flood
out
year
after
year,
people
that
were
living
in
an
apartment
or
another
house
and
paying
two
mortgages
after
we
were
able
to
get
a
federal
grant
to
buy
these
people
out
and
make
them
whole
again
and
now
we're
showing
the
neighborhood
that
we're
not
just
tearing
that
down
and
leaving
it.
G
That
way,
we're
gonna
take
something
that
was
really
one
of
the
worst
fads
and
turn
it
into
something
good.
So
I'm
so
excited
about
every
one
of
these
projects,
because
these
are
the
projects
that
really
have
the
biggest
impact,
because
it
shows
that
we
care
and
to
be
able
to
allocate
the
money
without
actually
taking
any
of
these
projects
off
the
table.
G
I'm
just
I'm
very,
very,
very
happy,
and
I
thank
you
matt.
This
is
a
great
a
great
way
to
do
it.
I
I
think
this
is
amazing
and
I'd
love
to
support
this,
and
I
hope
that
everybody
on
this
committee
feels
good
about
this,
because
I
think
that
if
we
can
do
things
like
this,
and
we
could
come
up
with
ways
to
to
do
small
projects
and
not
take
a
project
off
the
table,
but
look
at
something
and
say:
okay.
G
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Matt
just
go
back.
I
think
you
made
a
very
important
point
with
some
of
these
projects,
particularly
the
three
that
you
highlighted
in
that,
if,
if
we
just
spend
a
portion
of
what's
needed
in
in
2021,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
heard
you
correctly
on
this.
H
This
may
have
a
it
is
going
to
do
one
of
two
things:
it's
going
to
certainly
start
the
project
in
rolling
down
all
from
from
conceptual
design
into
into
something
happening
more
permanent,
but
I
think
you
maybe
misunderstood
you,
but
maybe
also
it's
going
to
provide
maybe
some
relief
to
these
properties.
E
So
there's
some
potential
for
that
in
the
sandhurst
project.
The
other
two
are
not
likely
to
see
that
as
much.
The
other
two
are
more
of
the
engineering
side
on
the
upfront,
the
sandhurst
project,
some
of
the
investigation
work
and
the
pipe
network
generally
involves
cleaning
so
that
that
project
there's
some
some
potential
to
see
the
cleaning
provide
a
short-term
benefit.
E
In
addition
to
the
investigatory,
that's
similar
to
what
we've
seen
on
the
east
side,
where
we've
had
to
clean,
you
know
10
000
feet
of
pipe
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
the
survey
work
in
order
to
get
the
modeling
that
we
needed
to
build
the
evaluation
for
improvements,
so
you
might
see
some
of
that,
the
the
harbor
sun
and
the
savannah
highway.
E
Those
are
more
timing
related
that
the
cash
flow
expenditures
on
that
project
are
not
extremely
likely
to
occur
until
2022
anyway.
So
it's
more
that
there
shouldn't
be
much.
H
Yeah
so
so
spinning
about,
I
did
a
quick
math
calculation
spending
about
15
percent
of
the
overall
expected
cost
may
give
people
immediate
relief,
not
total
relief,
but
some
immediate
relief.
E
And
again
on
the
sandhurst
one:
yes
on
the
other
two,
there
will
not
be
a
short-term
relief,
because
the
other
two
are
more
of
a
clear
engineering
scale,
but
the
sandhurst
one
likely
will
provide
some
immediate
relief.
It
won't
be
to
the
to
the
full
level
of
service
that
the
total
project
might
do,
but
it
will
provide
a
mitigation
of
flooding.
Certainly.
H
And
that's
the
beauty
of
putting
this
together
this
way,
because
you
are
impacting
in
in
this
fiscal
year
these
projects.
Thank
you
for
for
doing
that,
and
spending
the
time
to
work
with
us
on
all
of
this.
So
I
certainly
support
it
and
mr
chairman
and
ready
to
vote.
B
Thank
you
councilman.
I
I'd
like
to
reconcile
reflect
that.
We
have
two
additional
council
members
of
council
listening
in
council,
lady
dale,
chappelle
and
council
lady
jackson,
just
in
case
you
all
have
any
input
on
this
list.
I'd
like
to
that
was
the
purpose
we
kind
of
threw
this
open
for
others
to
see.
If
you
know
yeah
any
input
on
this
at
all.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
that
gracious
recognition
and
I
I
I
have
three
of
the
projects
on
the
list
that
are
in
district
12
on
james
island.
Well,
that
may
be
too
many
for
you.
No
sir
they've
been
a
long
time
in.
I
Two
of
them,
it's
titled
willow,
walk
number.
Seven,
it's
titled
willow,
walk,
rear
yards
whale,
but
everyone
knows
that
is
the
shorum
road
area
that
has
been
you
know,
plagued
with
in
increasing
flooding
and
then
then
further
down.
The
list
is
actually
one
of
our
buyout
properties
in
the
same
way
that
councilmember
griffin
was
just
celebrating
that's
now
a
vacant
lot
that
the
city
is
now.
I
Reseeded
but
the
the
plan
is
to
make
it
into
a
naturalized
flood
control
area,
so
that
it'll
really
be
a
demonstration
project
too,
for
how
to
you
know,
use
natural
plantings
in
order
to
capture
rain
water
runoff,
so
I'm
very
excited
about
both
of
those
in
the
willow
walk
oak
crest
area,
and
I
agree
with
mr
fountain's
reasoning
on
harbor
sun
ditch
it.
You
know
it's
hard
to
put
a
price
on
property
that
is
literally
crumbling
in
in
your
backyard
border.
I
Sort
of
you
know
foot
by
foot,
but
I
do
feel
like
those
homeowners
have
been
cooperative
enough
and
if
we
get
started
on
designing
the
stabilization
for
all
of
the
work,
that's
going
to
have
to
be
done
for
that
shoulder
then
I
think
they'll
they'll,
be
very.
You
know,
happy
to
see
us
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is.
So
I
appreciate
those
three
projects.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
Yeah
that
may
be,
and
the
the
concord
street
at
waterfront
park
handicap
drainage
is
technically
in
council
district,
one
as
well.
That's
yeah
right
in
front
of
waterfront
park
that.
E
One
councilman,
I
think
that's
in
a
relatively
newer
section
of
development
work
that's
been
occurring
so
that
one
we're
we're
looking
at
more
as
a
combination
of
like
warranty,
item
and
current
development,
so
that
that
one
may
eventually
turn
into
a
small
project
if
we
can't
find
a
resolution
that
route
but
we're
hoping
that
it
will
be
resolved
more
through
working
with
a
combination
of
the
developer,
who's
still
building
there
and
then
hopefully
just
reconnecting
some
existing
drainage
or
modifying
some
drainage
as
it's
going
in.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
E
B
F
Well,
thank
you
and
I
saw
councilmember
shades
hand
up
also,
but
anyway,
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
councilman
griffin
was
saying,
and
this
is
a
very
thoughtful
approach
and-
and
I
wanted
to
remind
everyone
that
that
we
had-
I
removed
also
the
higher
ticket
items
off
of
this
over
to
the
drainage
fund.
So
by
doing
that,
and
then
extending
these
few
that
made
sense
we're
basically
dividing
and
conquering
to
use
an
old
term
and
keeping
all
the
projects
that
have
been
deemed
worthwhile
going
and
I'm
pretty
excited
about
it
again.
H
This
is
a
request
from
that.
Would
you
mind
sending
this
to
us
my
email
in
this
list,
so
we
have
a
hard
copy
of
this.
E
Yes,
yeah,
absolutely
if,
if
the
committee,
I
guess,
likes
this
approach,
I'd
be
happy
to
send
it
out
to
council
and
make
sure
everyone's
aware
of
kind
of
this
current.
This
current
potential
path
forward.
H
And
at
our
previous
meeting-
and
I
was
just
trying
to
remember-
it
was
an
early
meeting
in
march
or
our
meeting
in
february.
Didn't
you
have
two
different
charts
diagrams
on
these
other
projects.
E
So
we
did
have
a
version
that,
as
I
think
the
mayor
was
alluding
to
included
projects
that
would
be
eligible
for
drainage
fund
is
in
terms
of
the
excel
table.
We
also
had
a
a
word
pdf
word
document,
that
included
like
a
little
narrative
description
and
some
more
geographical
information
and
council
district
information
for
each
project.
If
people
want
to
dig
into
the
the
project
in
more
detail.
H
E
E
Yeah,
I
think
it
is
an
important
point
that
some
of
the
drainage
fund
projects
are
also
you
know
very
important
projects
that
certainly
bear
further
discussion.
I
mean,
I
think
we
had
you
know
we
certainly
had
central
park
in
there
dupont,
wapu,
broad
and
lockwood.
You
know
really
high
visibility
projects
that
are.
We
have
been
moving
along
steadily
with
as
a
city,
so
I
think
it's
not
saying
those
aren't
incredibly
important.
Just
keep
looking
at
from
a
funding
perspective.
E
It's
just
that
we
had
talked
about
kind
of
diverging
the
two
from
small
project
allocation
versus
drainage
fund
allocation,
since
ms
wharton
had
given
us
the
update
on
where
the
drainage
fund
stood
financially,
and
we
thought
there
was
some
capacity
there,
for
you
know,
continuing
those
projects
with
a
more
suitable,
large-scale
funding
source.
B
Right,
mr
found,
I
tell
you
this
just
goes
to
show
that
I'm
not
I
mean
to
show
the
talent
in
our
engineering
and
drainage
stormwater
department.
It
used
to
be
a
time.
We
worked
on
one
major
project
and
it
just
dominated
the
city.
I
mean
now.
I
hate
to
use
a
junior
high
axiom,
but
we
can
literally
chew
bubble
gum
and
walk.
At
the
same
time,
I
mean
we're
doing
wonderful,
small
projects
if
it's
packed
as
if,
if
the
water
is
accumulating
in
your
yard,
that's
a
big
project.
B
Okay,
so
if
you're
the
one
on
the
low
spot,
so
this
is
going
to
help
up
a
lot
of
people
simultaneously
and
we'll
still
be
able
to
get
to
the
big
projects
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
you
and
what
your
team
are
doing
anymore.
We
do
need
a
motion
on
this.
Can
we
move?
B
Second,
any
discussion
hearing,
not
all
in
favor,
please
say:
hi
all
right,
hi
hi,
any
any
opposed!
Thank
you
again,
mr
fountain,
to
you
and
your
team
item.
I
there's
the
ordinance
that
we
need
to
go
through
who's
going
to
touch
on
this.
One
of
the
legal
team.
B
F
F
A
committee
got
put
together
last
year.
They
really
worked
hard
on
this
issue,
an
incredible
amount
of
discussion
to
try
to
move
our
undergrounding
non-standard
services.
They
call
it
to
to
a
better
place
for
our
city
and
a
couple
of
council
members
are
here.
Appel
and
del
chapo
participated
and
troy
miller
served
as
our
chair
of
the
committee
staff
members,
chip
and
tracy
dominion
had
two
representatives
on
the
committee.
They
were
instrumental,
but
also
on
the
committee,
and
I
share
this
because
it's
kind
of
where
it
started.
F
Susan
perelstein,
was
on
the
committee,
and
I
had
a
one
of
my
neighborhood
presidents
meetings
a
year
or
so
ago,
and
it
was
right
when
dominion
was
doing
some
awful
trimming
of
trees
over
in
council
member
appel's
district
over
in
south
windermere
and
susan
just
made
the
comment
at
the
meeting
said.
You
know
the
city
we've
had
an
application
in
to
get
our
wires.
Undergrounded
in
this
neighborhood
for
20
years,
and
we
can't
seem
to
move
it
forward
and
we're
complaining
about
trimming
the
trees.
F
If
we
could
just
put
those
excuse
me
damn
wires
on
the
ground.
You
know
we
would
avoid
this
trimming
problem,
and
so
that
led
to
the
formation
of
this
committee
that
that
recommendation
of
susan
perlstein's
and,
of
course
she
served
on
it
as
well
and
it
it
became
so
much
more
than
talking
about
trimming
of
trees.
It
became
about
the
long-term
resiliency
of
putting
lines
underground
and
how
honestly
our
policy
that
was
set
25
years
ago
had
not
been
that
effective.
Only.
F
I
think
two
neighborhoods
had
managed
to
to
eat
their
way
through
the
system,
as
we
had
as
the
city
had
put
it
forward
decades
ago.
So
chip
will
give
you
the
details
and
this
this
new
plan
it
like
everything,
might
not
be
perfect,
but
we
think
it's
a
heck
of
a
lot
better
than
what
the
city
had
before
and
will
give
neighborhoods
the
opportunity
to
to
get
some
undergrounding
done
and
use
existing
money.
That's
available
to
us.
It's
sitting
in
a
bank
account
so
anyway
with
that
prelude.
G
A
Thank
you,
casper
waring.
I
appreciate
it
so
that
yeah
we've
been
this
committee's,
been
meeting
for.
I
I
think
about
six
months,
maybe
since
august
or
so
to
go
over
our
current,
what
we
call
an
underground
utility
district
ordinance.
A
The
ordinance
has
been
in
place
since
the
60s
and
at
some
point
I
think
around
1999
council
decided
to
insert
a
petition
method
from
neighborhoods
into
it.
That
seems
to
have
held
a
lot
of
things
up
under
the
current
franchise
agreement
with
dominion.
A
The
problem
is
the
neighbors
submit
a
petition
and
that
triggers
a
process
where
dominion
prepares
plant
design
plans
to
underground
the
utilities
within
that
area.
That's
with
shown
within
the
petition
and
dominion
because
they
don't
want
too
much
time
to
lapse
and
and
other
restraints
will
do
up
to
two
plans,
keep
up
to
two
current
plans
going.
At
the
same
time
we
had
we've
had,
maybe
nine
people
apply
under
this
method.
A
In
order
to
get
to
the
construction
point,
you
have
to
take
the
design
that
dominion
made,
collect
all
the
easements
and
agree
to
pay
the
assessments
and
then
submit
a
second
petition,
signed
by
two-thirds
majority
of
the
owners
owning
two-thirds
of
the
assessed
value,
the
property
within
the
district
triggering
going
to
city
council
to
adopt
an
ordinance
to
begin
the
construction,
and
that's
when
the
35
15
split
would
sort
of
start.
A
In
the
meantime,
under
the
franchise
agreement,
the
city
agrees
to
set
aside
a
portion
of
its
franchise
fee
paid
by
dominion
each
year
and
it's
sort
of
a
complicated
formula,
but
it
winds
up
being
about
530
000
a
year
over
recent
years,
and
I
think
it's
the
the
last
I
checked.
I
think
the
balance
was
about
seven
million
dollars.
A
What
what
I
have
perceived
to
be
the
problem
is
the
two
neighborhoods
that
get
involved
that
get
have
their
designs
in
place.
It
takes
a
long
long
time
for
them
to
get
the
easements
and
other
things
ready
to
get
to
the
second
petition
in
construction.
As
a
result,
they
sit
for
ten
or
more
years.
Most
of
them
do
so
right
now
we
have
anson
borough
waiting
still
and
we
have
country
club
2
just
got
there.
A
As
you
all
know,
you
approve
the
ordinance
to
get
their
undergrounding
done
and
I
think
it's
wapu
heights
will
get
their
design
done
now.
That
country
club
2
is
beginning
construction,
so
that
will
trigger
wapoo
heights
to
get
their
design
plan
or
to
to
get
their
second
phase.
Things
done,
the
underground
utilities
committee
or
non-standard
service
facility
committee,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
didn't,
like
the
complications
associated
with
that.
A
It's
collecting
interest,
but
it's
you
know
unusable
until
we
get
to
a
certain
point
as
well
as
dominions
dominions,
50
percent
isn't
even
there
because
they
they
pay
that
when
there's
a
project
done
so
you
know
we're
not
using
like
seven
million
dollars.
A
dominion
potentially
would
have
to
pay
or
more
because
it's
50
not
35
towards
those
projects
to
be
funded
from
the
front.
A
lot
of
unused
money
sitting
there
the
way
that
the
committee
has
chosen
to
sort
of
break.
A
That
situation
up
is
to
give
city
council
discretion
to
create
a
priority
list
based
on
a
number
of
factors
that
tracy
tracy
mckee,
has
sort
of
generated
into
a
a
spreadsheet
or
a
chart
that
sort
of
informs
how
you
make
the
decisions
and
creates
the
priority
list,
and
you
wipe
out
the
whole
petition
method
and
based
on
the
priority
list
city
council
would
fund
projects
moving
forward.
Dominion
will
agree
to
design,
I
think,
up
to
four
projects
at
once.
A
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
neighborhood,
doing
all
that
running
back
and
forth
to
get
to
the
second
phase,
which
is
really
what's
holding
people
up,
and
you
just
allow
you
allow
city
council
more
expression
to
get
the
money
being
used
for
various
projects,
you're,
not
just
doing
neighborhoods.
It
can
potentially
be
done
on.
You
know
more
commercial
areas.
You
know,
I
think
you
know,
there's
been
discussion
of
savannah
highway
in
the
past
or
other
areas,
so
it
gives
city
council
a
lot
more
discretion
and
again
it
moves.
A
It
helps
you
to
move
the
money.
There
are
still,
I
want
to
say
seven
people
or
seven
neighborhoods
that
are
still
sitting
on
the
list
waiting
for
waiting
to
move
forward,
and
those
would
so
once
country
club,
two
or
once
wahoo
heights
or
ansonboro
move
forward.
A
Whoever's
next
on
the
list
would
immediately
have
priority,
regardless
of
the
priority
list.
We're
talking
about
those
people
would
be
locked
into
the
priority,
but
we
wouldn't
have
to
wait
until
they
get
all
their
stuff
together
and
the
ordinance
gets
adopted
to
spend,
spend
moneys
on
other
projects
that
are
on
city
council's
priority
list.
A
Once
they
get
everything
together,
they
jump
to
the
top
of
the
pile,
but
until
that
happens
we
can
actually
spend
money
in
underground
utilities.
Everything
else
from
the
ordinance
is
pretty
much
the
same.
It
just
gets
rid
of
that
petition
method
that
I
think
everybody
struggled
with
and
it's
worked
held
us
in
place
so
long.
A
There
are
situations
where
you
have
a
neighborhood,
that's
within
multiple
jurisdictions.
Dominion
had
looked
over
that
part
and
suggested
that
we,
you
know
be
subject
to
like
an
moa
with
that
jurisdiction
where
we
all
pay.
A
You
know
if
it's
a
road,
that's
in
downer
james
island
city
of
charleston
and
charleston
county,
everybody
has
to
agree
they're
going
to
pay
their
pro
rate
of
share
based
on
the
number
of
of
people
on
the
road
that
that's
going
to
be
undergrounded
and
they're,
going
to
agree
to
require
everybody
to
move
to
undergrounding
once
that
project's
done.
A
So
that
would
assist
us
in
getting
neighborhoods
moving
forward,
that
that
aren't
solely
within
the
city
of
charleston,
and
so
that
is
that's
another
aspect
of
it.
It
spells
out
that
process
as
well.
I
think
that's
pretty
much
the
the
end
game
the
end
result
and
all
this
I
think
it
will
move
things
faster.
I
think
it's
much
better
than
the
situation
we
have
now
and
I
think
even
the
projects
that
are
waiting
right
now
will
have
the
ability
to
get
done
faster.
A
I
think
it
will
help
move
those
forward
more
quickly
as
well.
So
that's
the
current
plan.
The
split
the
big
difference
in
cost
in
our
part,
is
it's
a
50
50
split
for
if
the
neighborhoods
that
are
on
the
list
have
the
option
of
withdrawing
and
getting
onto
the
normal
priority
list,
in
which
case
like
everything
else,
that's
on
the
city
council
priority
list,
it's
a
50,
50
split
dominion
pays
50
city
pays.
50.
Dominion
was
fine
with
changing
that,
so
you
don't
have
the
15
being
paid
from
the
neighborhood.
A
If
you
want
to
keep
your
priority
on
that
old
list,
and
you
can't
nobody
can
be
added
to
that
old
list,
but
the
people
that
want
to
keep
priority,
you
don't
withdraw,
but
you
still
have
to
pay
your
15
as
a
neighborhood,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
that
was
concerned
over
what
people
have
been
promised
over
the
last
20
years
and
pulling
the
rug
out
of
them
out
from
under
them
now,
which
is
why
we
sort
of
left
that
in
there
and
similarly,
as
well
as
legal
concern,
so
there's.
H
This
is,
this
is
wonderful
because
I
think
y'all
said
it
earlier.
The
existing
format
is
unworkable
for
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
reasons.
I
hope
that
this
is
going
to
address
those
problem,
areas
that
we've
had
with
these
areas
that
wanted
to
include
themselves
into
the
underground
launch
for
clarification
chip.
H
If
you've
got
an
area,
that's
not
in
a
neighborhood
is
identified
as
a
neighborhood
and
and
I'm
thinking
what
you
said
earlier
along
the
lines
of
savannah
highway
and
I'm
thinking
about
old,
o'town
road,
for
instance.
So
does
this
this
district
definition
would
that
cover
those
types
of
areas?
So,
if
we're
talking
about
a
strip
of
land
of
a
highway,
would
that
fall
into
this
district
definition.
A
It
would
if
city
council
wanted
to
designate
it
as
a
district.
There
may
be
situations
where
another
entity
controls
the
road,
in
which
case
we
also
need
to
get
permission
from
that
entity.
So
if
it's
a
state
maintained
road
there
might
you
know
we
would
need
to
get
state
dot's
authority
to
do
that.
But
yes,
I
mean
it
would
apply
you
all.
It
would
be
up
to
you
all
to
identify.
A
Well,
it'll,
be
up
to
you
all,
based
on
the
criteria
that
we've
set
up
to
identify
which
projects
get
priority,
so
it
might
be
commercial
areas,
and
I
don't
know
if
tracy's
on
she
can
she's.
Probably
the.
D
H
And
before
we
go
to
tracy
just
another
follow-up
question,
so
a
lot
of
our
particularly
wes
ashley
neighborhoods
are
have
donut
holes
in
there.
Y'all
are
not
in
your
head.
I
think
you
anticipate
my
next
question
then.
So
literally,
you
may
have
approached
it
at
123
maple
street,
in
the
city
in
125
maple
street,
not
in
in
the
city.
A
Yes,
sir,
you
could
so
city
council
could
prioritize
it,
but
they
would
have
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
county
in
those
donut.
J
A
D
A
Cases
it's
going
to
be
charleston
county
you're
talking
to
so
you
would
enter
into
an
moa
with
them.
They
would
pay
we're
not
going
to
be
using
city
money
to
underground
utilities
on
that
are
that
are
on
the
front
of
lots
that
where
the
roads
remain,
that
portion
road
is
maintained
by
the
county,
the
county
will
agree
to
do
that
as
part
of
that
moa.
A
So
in
each
each
of
those
cases
we
would
go
get
an
moa
with
the
county
and
they
would
agree
to
bear
that
that
portion
and
also
because
we
can't
order
the
utilities
to
underground
outside
of
city
boundaries.
They
would
also
have
to
agree
to
order
everybody
to
under
to
take
advantage
of
the
underground
within
the
portion
that
runs
their
property.
H
J
H
Than
what
we
have
right
now,
just
this
part
of
it,
nothing
else
that
we
do
to
clarify
those
kind
of
issues
along
the
way,
because
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
complaints
I
had
heard
before
in
in
getting
everybody
on
the
same
page.
To
sign
up
for
this.
This
makes
a
whole
lot
clearer
and
cleaner
to
get
that
accomplished.
Thanks
for
clarifying
that.
G
H
You
off
tracy,
but
I
think
that
matt
was
on
a
roll
yeah
that
you
know
both
are
not
in
your
head
at
the
same
time,
anticipating
my
question
so
thank
you,
mr.
F
Yeah
so
kind
of
related
to
that.
I
wanted
to
share
with
the
committee
a
couple
of
examples
with
this
new
ordinance
that
we
would
have
been
able
to
qualify
some
of
our
own
projects
as
having
public
purpose
and
kind
of
put
them
in
the
mix
as
well
and
and
basically
pay
50
50
rather
than
100.
F
All
three
of
those
projects
under
this
ordinance
could
have
qualified
and
we
could
have
gotten
dominion
to
pay
for
half
of
the
cost.
J
So
you
know
we,
we
went
through
the
process
of
identifying
kind
of
the
highest
priorities
to
the
to
the
members
of
the
committee,
and
so
we
developed
it's.
I
think
it's
six
points
that
we
pulled
out
the
first
one
being
aesthetic
value
so
kind
of
those
those
areas
that
have
mature
trees
or
tree
canopy
would
kind
of
get
a
biggest
chunk
of
that
of
that
score,
and
this
is
based
on
a
100
point
scale.
So
so
that's
like
22
percent
of
the
score
right.
There
is
around
aesthetics.
J
That
was
the
that
was
really
the
highest
highest
priority.
The
second
piece
is:
is
it
already
on
the
list
so
making
sure
that
we
can
give
some
consideration
to
those
that
have
already
gone
through
the
petition
process
and,
as
we
know,
have
been
on
that
list
for
20
some
years
and
have
not
been
able
to
move
forward?
So
how
do
we?
How
do
we
give
those
some
consideration?
J
We
also
thought
it
was
important
to
look
at
historic
character,
so
does
the
does
the
area
have
buildings
that
are
on
the
national
register?
Is
it
in
a
historic
district?
Does
it
have
structures
older
than
50
years
old,
and
then
the
mayor
talked
about
public
benefit,
so
a
number
of
things
that
we've
been
looking
at
there?
Is
it
in
the
design
review
board
purview?
J
J
Does
it
have
sidewalks
and
is
it
does
it
have
transit
stops
so
that
where
we
kind
of
can
give
those
areas,
some
consideration
and
then
look
at
businesses,
so
so
we're
not
just
talking
about
neighborhoods,
because
that's
what
this
has
been
about
traditionally
is
about
a
neighborhood
coming
and
getting
on
the
list.
So
how
do
we
look
at
the
makeup
of
businesses?
Does
it
have
a
mix
of
businesses,
local
and
then
alignment
with
existing
city
plans?
J
J
B
B
Of
ms
mcgee
all
right,
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
take
privilege
and
jump
in
on
one
thing
and
help
out
my
colleague,
councilman
shaheed
has
anyone
driven
down
old
town,
road
between
ash
and
plantation
and
the
entrance
to
charlestown
landing
the
cuttings
there
have
been
so
abusive
until
I
actually
believe
it
needs
to
be
have
a
replanting.
B
Now
I
understand.
Sometimes
you
cut
a
tree
like
a
v
and
eventually
it'll
fill
back
in
over
that
10-year
period.
In
this
case,
trees
have
been
half
of
trees
have
been
cut
down,
and
I
think
we
need
to
reach
back
out
to
dominion.
This
is
the
birthplace
of
south
carolina.
B
It
looks
horrible,
it
looks
horrible,
the
transition
between
what
was
supposed
to
be
done
and
what
was
actually
done,
and
I
I'm
convinced
that
dominion
didn't
want,
whoever
subcontracted
to
cut
the
trees.
That
way,
so
I
think
this
particular
case
ought
to
be
brought
I'll,
certainly
have
to
reach
out,
or
we
need
to
reach
out
to
dominion
and
the
powers
that
be.
I
don't
think
they
want
the
entrance
to
the
birthplace
of
south
carolina
to
look
the
way
that
looks,
and
I
invite
anybody
on
this
call.
B
Who's
in
his
district
councilman
shaheed
needs
all
12
of
us
to
get
behind
him
on
this
one
right
here,
that's
just
wrong
which
what
was
done
there
so
councilmember.
I
see
you
itching
to
get
into
this
one,
but
I
want
to
bring
that
up.
I
want
you
to
know
you
got
help.
This
is
a
special
case
that
dominion
needs
to
come
back
and
review.
What
was
done.
H
And
thank
you
for
for
that
support,
councilmember
wearing,
because
you
and
I've
had
this
discussion
about
the
gateway
to
south
carolina,
the
gateway
to
the
birthplace
of
charleston.
It
is
just-
and
I
can't
tell
you
the
number
of
phone
calls
and
emails.
I
got
about
all
of
that
and
I
have
been
in
contact
with
the
median
energy
about
it.
So
you.
H
Only
so
I
think,
there's
some
momentum
with
all
of
this
and-
and
you
are
absolutely
correct-
it's
just
I
tell
people
just
drive
down
old
town
road
and
don't
look
up
something
I
mean,
because
if
you
do
that,
you
will
you'll
get
depressed,
I
mean
you'll
you'll,
just
see
it
and
you
just
go.
Oh
my
god
what
what
happened
over
here.
So
it's
the
lines
need
to
be
buried.
The
lines
need
to
be
removed.
H
Hopefully
what
we'll
see
with
this
dude
county
park
in
the
works
is
going
to
address
a
lot
of
that
issue.
I'm
trying
to
be
gentle
with
how
my
criticism
of
dominion,
energy
for
what
they
did,
but
it's
it's
just.
H
I
don't
have
the
words
to
express
my
my
and
my
constituents
sustain
for
what
happened
over
there,
but
your
words
are
well
received
and
we
we
do
need
support
on
correcting
this
issue
and
I
think,
there's
a
there's
an
avenue
to
getting
that
done.
Hopefully,
it's
not
going
to
be
getting
that.
B
Done,
let's
convene
that
because,
even
if
they
put
the
lot
lies
on
the
ground,
which
is
a
long-term
solution,
I
think
replantings
need
to
be
done.
I'm
telling
you
that's
not
going
to
grow
back
what
they
did.
No,
no
okay,
any
other
input.
I
don't
want
to
be
impolite,
but
that
is
the.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
things.
We.
B
On
the
front
page
of
this
morning's
paper
about
our
sanitation
department
and
the
process
of
a
bit
that
took
place
number
one
I
want
to
thank,
I
want
to
thank
the
newspaper
for
printing
a
balanced
story.
I
want
to
thank
our
mr
altaf
and
certainly
mr
o'brien,
and
I
want
to
want
to
thank
all
the
council
members
who
we
depend
on
one
another
to
be
the
eyes
and
ears
of
constituency
service.
B
B
I
bet
I
don't
have
10
people
that
have
called
me
to
tell
me
that
they
trash
didn't
get
pick
up
in
10
years.
Okay,
in
that
process,
I
found
out
that
there
were
thousands
of
complaints
that
our
our
staff
and
department
had
kept
account
of,
and
obviously
it's
nothing
like
the
personal
input
from
people
that
represent
areas
where
they
are
getting
calls
from
constituents
when
services
aren't
rendered
and
that's.
B
First
services,
I
mean
basic
services,
is
police,
fire
and
trash,
and
if
the
city
can't
deliver
that,
then
yeah
the
public
got
a
right
to
replace
us,
but
the
system
worked.
There
was
input
proper
input
from
a
profession,
away
from
our
staff,
proper
input
with
the
eyes
and
ears
on
the
ground
from
council
members
and
districts
that
heard
the
complaints
saw
the
lack
of
services
and
that
all
reported
into
the
process.
B
So
when
I
read
the
article
it
started,
I
thought
it
was
one
way,
but
when
I
finished
reading
it,
I
thought
it
was
a
pretty
balanced
and
I
really
appreciate
our
sanitation
department
personnel
stepping
up
and
giving
the
full
story
on
that
one.
So
beyond
that,
if
there
are
any
final
comments,
I'll
take.
E
G
Councilman
griffin,
I'd
like
to
just
speak
one.
Second
to
that
point,
you
just
made
it
and
I've
got
a
couple
other
things
that
I'd
like
to
say.
If
you
don't
mind
so
number
one,
you
know
you
might
not
have
gotten
10
calls
in
10
years
I
get
10
calls
in
one
week,
people
that
either
don't
have
their
trash
picked
up
or
debris
all
kinds
of
things.
So,
yes,
we
all
would
love
to
have
our
great
city
of
charleston
handling
it.
We
don't
have
that
capability
as
and
now,
but
I
want
to
just.
G
There
was
something
that
I
saw
that
was
put
out
there,
that
you
know
we
were
applying
for
a
grant
and
we
all
you
know,
approved
the
application
of
that
grant
for
those
electric
trucks,
and
I
saw
some
comments,
some
some
misconceptions
that
were
put
out
there
by
citizens
saying
that
we're
going
after
trucks
that
are
three
times
more
expensive
than
a
conventional
truck,
and
I
think
people
need
to
understand
that
over
the
life
of
that
electric
truck,
we're
actually
going
to
save
our
constituents
money
because
we're
going
to
save
money
in
fuel
and
we're
going
to
be
able
to
better
protect
the
environment.
G
C
Sir,
thank
you,
mr
griffin.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
you're,
absolutely
correct
and
we'll
be
glad
to
make
a
presentation.
The
maintenance
costs
are
incredibly,
they
say:
80
savings
on
maintenance,
because
there's
no
hydraulics
involved
in
these
vehicles-
and
that
is
the
number
one
major
problem
we
have
with
our
current
vehicles-
is
hydraulic,
leaks
and
they're,
expensive,
they're
nasty.
C
They
spill
hydraulic
fuel
on
leaks,
but
the
batteries
I
mean
they're,
quiet
these
trucks,
the
electric
trucks
they're
so
quiet
that
they
have
to
have
a
it's,
almost
a
small
speaker
on
the
front
which
inten
insinuates
the
noise
of
the
truck.
So
people
know
they're
coming
but
I'll
be
glad
matt
and
I'll
put
together
a
short
presentation.
C
If
you
wish,
for
our
next
meeting
to
kind
of
show
you
what
we're
looking
at
as
far
as
those
vehicles
that
goes
over
the
cost
savings
and
your
example,
the
article
in
the
paper
was
good
in
a
lot
of
ways
on
the
trucks
there
was
some
misinformation
on
there
we'd
be
glad
to
clear
that
up
for
everybody,
we.
G
Need
to
make
sure
that
our
constituents
understand
why
we're
looking
to
be
more
contemporary
in
the
sort
of
equipment
that
we're
going
after
and
they
need
to
understand
that
we're
obviously
going
after
a
grant
application,
because
these
trucks
are
more
expensive.
However,
they're
the
trucks
of
the
the
future
and
they'll
help
better
prepare
us
to
hopefully
take
over
more
routes
so
that
we
can
serve
all
of
our
constituents
down
we're.
C
Working
very
hard,
with
katie
mccain
to
do
a
lot
of
good
things
along
those
ways
and
quite
honestly,
we've
got
our
fingers
crossed.
We
want
to
be
the
first
miss
valley
in
the
state
to
have
electric
environmental
service
vehicles
and
be
a
leader
like
we
are
a
lot
of
other
things.
So
we'll
get
that
for
you
for
the
next
meeting.
Okay,.
G
G
We
had
had
some
discussion
on
it,
matt
and
I
both
went
up
to
the
property
I'd
like
to
get
that
put
back
on
there,
so
that
I
can
give
that
that
homeowner
an
opportunity
to
come
to
the
meeting
and
explain
his
situation
because
we've
talked
about
it
before
this
is
a
a
property
that
you
know,
there's
an
easement
back
behind
the
property,
and
you
know
we
had
talked
about
this
before
that
pop
up
some
other
ways.
G
G
The
question
becomes:
what
sort
of
liability
do
we
put
ourselves
in
if
we
are
to
abandon,
or
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
share
maintenance
with
the
people
in
the
neighborhoods
that
that
want
to
do
some
work
to
update
these
easements
or
or
what
is
the
remedy
at
all?
Well,.
B
E
Yes,
yes,
yeah,
I'm
familiar
with
with
the
property.
Thank
you.
G
G
I've
thanked
him
a
lot
in
this
meeting,
but
I
I
continue
to
thank
him
because
there's
something
that
that
really
just
puts
a
smile
on
my
constituent's
face
and
that's
when
they
see
our
ditch
and
drainage
crew
out
cleaning
stormwater
drains,
especially
when
we
have
a
something
like
last
week
where
they
happen
to
be
out
there.
Cleaning
because
march
is
is
a
shadow
moss
kind
of
month.
But
then
we
had
a
potential
huge
storm
coming
our
way,
so
it
served
really
two
purposes.
G
But
I
was
speaking
to
the
team
out
there
and-
and
I
just
I
wanted
to
really
thank
them
for
the
hard
work
that
they've
done.
They've
worked
every
single
day
during
the
pandemic,
so
I
went
out
there
and
bought
them
a
couple
of
pizzas
and
one
thing
that
that
we've
talked
about
is
that-
and
maybe
you
can
touch
on
this
mat-
is
that-
and
we
could
probably
I
want
to.
G
I
would
love
to
talk
about
this
in
the
next
church,
creek
stormwater
basin
authority,
which
I'm
guessing
we're
going
to
be
having
a
meeting
coming
up
here
in
the
next
few
weeks.
Right
because
it's
been
a
couple
of
months,
but
I
understand
that
our
ditch
and
drain
drain
crew
we've
we've
lost
some
crew
members
and
we're
down
to
like
two
crews.
Now
is
that
the
case
at
one
time
I
know
we
had
five
or
six
yeah.
E
So
it
does
somewhat
depend
on
which,
which
group
we've
reorganized
the
group
somewhat,
but
you're
right.
We
are
down
somewhat
on
cruise.
Some.
Some
of
that
does
relate
to
the
seasonal
aspect
that
a
lot
of
the
work
is
actually
done
by
seasonal,
temporary
employees,
who
we
bring
on
for
kind
of
the
growing
season
and
don't
have
as
much
during
the
off
season,
and
that
obviously
was
exacerbated
by
the
pandemic,
as
many
of
the
agencies
actually
have
gotten
busier.
E
Interestingly,
in
the
pandemic,
rather
than
necessarily
slower
with
how
the
construction
market
has
been
so
but
you're
right,
councilman,
it's
a
it's
always
a
balance,
and
we
we
can
certainly
update
you
on
it.
We've
been
working
with
hr
on
some
approaches
to
try
to
bring
in
some
some
different
skill
sets
with
the
construction
crews,
especially
so
happy
to
talk
to
you
about
in
more
detail.
G
And
my
my
point
to
bringing
that
up
is
number
one.
You
know,
obviously
that's
something
that
is
it's
something
that
just
these
guys
that
we
have
are
so
valuable,
they're,
they're
doing
something
that
I
mean
we're
talking
about.
We
we
have
a
very
limited
amount
of
people
that
are
even
trained
in
our
city
to
do
this
task
and
and
long
term.
How
do
we
incentivize
and
make
this
a
more
desirable
place
to
work,
and
how
do
we
get
more
and
more
people
to
want
to
come
be
a
part
of
our
team?
G
I
can
tell
you
this,
and
this
is
something
I
think
everybody
would
be
very
happy
about.
Every
single
person
on
that
crew
wants
to
do
more.
They
all
want
to
to
operate
heavy
machinery.
They
all
want
to
move
up.
They
all
have
a
very,
very
happy
outlook
on
their
job
and
and
that's
something
to
be
proud
of-
that
we
have
employees
that
you
know
want
to
do
more
and
want
to
be
more.
G
The
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
is
we
we
just
have
to
figure
out
how
we
can
maximize
that
and
give
them
those
opportunities
and
make
this
city.
You
know
a
place
where
everybody
wants
to
come,
be
a
part
of
this
team,
because
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
they
can
go
to
a
construction
company
and
probably
make
a
couple
dollars
more
an
hour.
G
G
But
I
was
you
know
I
was
worried
a
little
worried
when
I
heard
we
were
down
to
just
a
couple
of
teams-
and
I
understand
that
we
can
go
into
a
lot
more
detail
on
that.
But
I
I
know
that
we're
trying
to
make
the
most
out
of
the
very
limited
amount
of
resources
that
we
have,
but
my
whole
point
of
this
matter
to
tell
you
whatever
you
need
from
us
as
a
council.
G
Please
don't
hesitate
to
ask
because
we
will
find
the
money
that
is
one
of
the
most
valuable
teams
that
we
have
and
whatever
we
can
do
to
make
that
better
or
work
more.
Please
don't
hesitate
to
ever
bring
that
to
council,
because
I
have
a
hard
time,
believing
anybody's
going
to
say
no
to
that.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
may
have
easily
missed
it.
Did
we
call
the
question
on
the
non-standard
we.
B
Well,
let
me
move
to
approve
exactly
we'll
approve
this
second
problem,
any
discussion
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
brittany.
B
All
that's
good
information
beyond
that.
I
think
that's
the
extent
of
this
meeting
so
I'll
entertain
a
motion
for
the
german
I'll.