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City of Charleston Public Works and Utilities Committee 11/22/2021 2/2
B
E
So,
mr
chairman,
as
councilmember
griffin
had
suggested
before
we
went
into
executive
session,
could
could
I
respectfully
ask
for
for
one
of
the
representatives
of
the
neighborhood
to
share
with
us
just
for
everyone's
knowledge,
just
the
the
level
of
service
kinds
of
service
that
the
city
has
been
providing
for
some
time
and
and
what
the
reasonable
expectations
are
of
the
neighborhood
going
forward.
Something
along
those
lines.
B
F
B
F
Yeah,
well,
I
I
thank
mr
mayor,
I
think
you
and
the
rest
of
the
folks
here
for
allowing
us
to
have
a
voice.
Thank
you
very
much.
Our
request,
we
think
is,
is
pretty
reasonable.
We
don't
wish
to
go
down
the
path
of
honestly
of,
I
believe,
as
mr
waring
said,
putting
on
the
boxing
gloves.
We
just
quite
simply
want
one
storm
drain
cleaned
that
has
been
the
history
of
what
we've
been
receiving
in
this
neighborhood.
F
I
think,
as
far
back
as
the
neighborhood
has
existed,
that's
quite
quite
simply
all
we
want
if
there
needs
to
be
a
change
in
our
expectations
going
forward.
You
know
we
can
certainly
kind
of
have
a
conversation
about
what
that
means
for
different
budget
years
and
different
different
times,
but
we
feel
like
where
we
are
today
where
we
are
now
based
on
our
expectation
and
what
our
residents
have
been
paying
for
30
years
across
144
homes.
We
we
just
like
a
storm
drain,
cleaned
out.
B
B
C
C
E
It'd
be
like
you
know,
calling
the
the
parks
department
and
asking
them
come
cut
down
a
tree
on
in
my
yard.
You
know:
that's
that's
just
that's
not
the
way
to
do
business
and
it's
it's
prohibited
by
state
law.
So
so
we're
more
careful
about
that
than
we
than
I
guess
we
ever
have
been,
and
that's
what
got
us
here.
So
what
we
discussed,
if
you
don't
mind
me
going
ahead.
E
G
I
just
agree
with
what
angie
and
brandon
have
said:
this
isn't
a
new
service
for
us.
This
is
a
service.
That's
been
provided
on
a
regular
basis
and
up
until
the
last
three
years,
when
actually
the
neighbor,
who
handled
made
the
phone
call
for
years
for
us,
told
us
what
to
do.
We
made
the
phone
call
and
then
we're
told
you're
not
going
to
do
it.
It's
not
a
new
service.
It's
a
service.
You've
always
provided.
G
And
you
provide
other
city
services,
I'm
not
sure
how
you
delineate
between
what
city
services
you
will
and
will
not
provide
within
our
neighborhood,
because
it's
always
been
our
understanding
that
our
streets
are
private
and
our
streets
are
our
responsibility
to
maintain.
But
you
maintain
the
water
system.
You
maintain
the
sewer
system.
E
G
E
E
We
got
an
easement
or
a
legal
agreement
from
the
property
owners,
making
it
legal
for
us
to
come
clean
out
that
ditch,
even
though
it's
on
their
private
property
and
we're
suggesting
to
you
that
we
need
to
get
our
legal
department
together
with
your
homeowners
association.
Maybe
you
have
a
legal
counsel
or
could
retain
one
so
that
we
could
craft
a
in,
in
essence,
an
easement
agreement
whereby
we
can
continue
to
provide
this
service,
even
though
it's
your
private
system
does
that
make
sense.
B
Good
good
that
was
thank
you,
mr
mia.
That
was
a
we
had
a
good
hearty
discussion,
but
what
we
need
to
do
is
find
a
a
way
to
do
it,
and
certainly
our
legal
team
is
ready
to
speak
to
like
our
neighborhood
representative,
but
whoever
y'all
have
as
a
point
person
on
it,
so
we
can
get
to
a
solution
as
opposed
to
a
tug
of
war.
I
don't
think
you
all
want
that.
We
don't
want
that.
B
B
I
I
think
the
next
step.
Mr
may,
you
help
me
out
here,
but
I
think
next
step
is
for
our
legal
team
to
reach
out
to
their
point
of
contact.
I
would
suspect
you,
mr
winchester,
and
miss
copeland.
Miss
julia
copeland
will
probably
reach
out
to
you
maybe
offline.
We
can
exchange
some
contact
information.
I
think
progress
would
take
place
from
there.
C
Have
we
actually
looked,
or
has
your
legal
counsel
actually
looked
at
our
master
deed,
to
confirm
that
that
is
not
already
an
agreement
within
our
master
deed
that
we
will
maintain
our
roadways
I.e?
You
know
repave
them
as
needed,
but
that
the
services
of
the
city
are
still
expected
and
paid
for.
I
would
believe
that
that
would
actually
be
in
the
master
deed
already,
because
again
we
are
not
a
private.
C
B
You
know
what
I
think,
one
good
thing
about
this
process
and
I
think
mr
fountain
our
stormwater
department
head
as
a
result
of
this.
We
all
gonna,
learn
going
forward
on
this
one
we
all
go.
I
always
be
so
good
at
this
in
that
master
d,
but
I
promise
you,
I
think,
through
this
process,
that'll
be
reviewed
because
we're
going
to
get
to
a
solution
on
this
one,
so
everybody's
pushing
in
that
direction,
so
it'll
happen.
B
F
Absolutely
and
I
have
miss
miss
copeland.
I
have
your
email
already
I'll
reach
out
to
you
and
I'll
see.
If
I
can
get
some
of
that
information
on
our
side,
hopefully
get
get
some
answers
to
all
this
and
make
progress
and
again
much
appreciated
this
group
for
for
being
open
and
trying
to
explore
this.
Thank
you
that.
B
A
I
can
certainly
talk
a
little
bit
about
it,
mr
chairman
and
kind
of
where
the
history
is
of
where
we
stand.
This
has
been
been
brought
up,
certainly
by
originally
by
councilman
griffin
and
then
certainly
councilman
jackson
and
a
number
of
other
councilmembers
have
chimed
in
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
looking
at
ways
to
restrict
the
use
of
fill
in
the
city,
especially
with
the
history
of
the
flooding
that
has
been
caused
by
stormwater
fillers.
A
A
Everything
from
the
church
creek
film
mitigation
ordinances
within
the
stormwater
manual,
then
the
new
stormwater
manual
in
2020
that
followed
that
up
expanding
considerations
of
fill
with
flooding
across
the
entire
city,
special
protection
area,
so
not
the
entire
city
and
then
we've
recently
been
working
as
we,
I
think,
last
updated.
Probably
the
committee
on
a
few
months
ago
working
on
an
ordinance
to
restrict
or
look
at
restricting
slab
on
grade
foundation
types
within
the
special
flood
hazard
area.
Basically
the
100
year
floodplain.
A
That's
something!
We've
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
talking
with
stakeholders
on
so
far
looking
at
how
that
would
impact,
affordable
housing.
How
would
in
fact,
impact
planning
through
the
community
environmental
impacts?
Now
we
need
to
kind
of
circle
back
around
the
the
home
builder
side
of
this
and
see
what
concerns
they
might
have
and
what
they
might
be
willing
to
support
or
have
challenges
with
and
try
to
draft
that
into
a
more
formal
ordinance
to
bring
to
council.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're,
where
we're
sitting
with
the
work
that
we've
done.
A
It's
been
a
little
bit
delayed
as
we've
had
we've
had
our
flooding
had
our
floodplain
manager
resign
a
few
months
ago.
So
we've
been
somewhat
without
some
of
the
support
staff
that
would
normally
use
to
do
this
work.
But
it's
still
on
our
our
active
project
flight,
it's
just
taking
a
little
bit
longer
than
we
would
like
it
to.
D
D
We
we've
got
more
of
a
of
a
formula
formulaic
way
of
doing
that
now
under
the
new
stormwater
manual.
So
I'm
you
know,
I've
been
along
for
that
ride.
I've
been
very
you,
know,
glad
and
and
appreciative
of
all
the
hard
work,
especially
as
mr
fountain,
you
know,
took
his
job
in
the
in
the
new
stormwater
department.
D
So
the
way
that
I
was
looking
at
this
in
terms
of
timing,
you
have
sort
of
a
a
council,
that's
been
educated
and
knowledgeable
and
given
the
wisdom
that
has
accumulated
since
the
dutch
dialogues,
and
now
I
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
transcript
for
the
discussion
that
the
council
entertained
because
the
same
process,
your
committee
looked
at
this
in
february
of
2021
february
22nd,
I
think,
was
the
council
meeting.
So
the
21st
of
february
is
when
you
last
had
this
kind
of
discussion,
and
at
that
point
it
was
well
yes.
D
D
That
kind
of
you
know
construction
industry
education
going
on,
but
the
discussion
at
your
committee
and
then
council
in
february
of
this
earlier
this
year,
is
that
well
once
we
have
the
city
plan
completed,
and
we
know
that
we
were
bringing
in
the
same
dutch
dialogues,
consultants
and
now
we're
totally
you
know
blessed
by
having
one
of
the
wagner
involved-
lead
consultants,
mr
morris,
as
our
own,
a
resiliency
officer.
So
the
conversation
during
that
council
discussion
in
february
of
this
year
was
that
well
we
really.
D
We
know
that
we're
going
to
want
to
widen
the
reach
of
a
protective
ordinance
like
this.
That
would
hopefully
be
the
the
solution
to
how
we're
concerned
about
the
results
of
fill
construction,
continuing
to
have
a
more
of
a
potential
impact,
negative
impact
on
surrounding
terror
properties,
and-
and
we
know
that
a
lot
of
this
has
involved
what
I
would
call
infill
development
where
there
is
existing
neighborhoods
or
existing
properties
contiguous
or
in
a
in
a
nearby
location.
D
And
then
we
see
a
new.
You
know
vacant
piece
of
property,
all
of
a
sudden
filled
in
it's
not
necessarily
huge
numbers,
but
it's
usually
in
the
middle
of
existing
properties
that
are
already
dealing
with
their
own
flood
from
aging
infrastructure
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
the
way
I
was
looking
at
this.
D
You
have
a
council,
that's
been
educated
ever
since
the
dutch
dialogues
council,
member
griffin
and
I
are
leaving
the
council
as
at
the
end
of
this
year,
as
you
all
know,
I
feel
like
we're
sort
of
veterans
in
understanding
how
that
all
of
this
works
and
why
we
were
concerned
from
the
beginning
of
trying
to
bring
this
kind
of
ordinance
forward,
and
that's
my
rationale
for
asking
you
to
entertain
it.
Yet
again,
I
I
took
the
liberty,
I
mean.
I
know
staff
time
is,
you
know
precious.
I
know
that
you
know.
D
Where
we've
done
our
due
diligence
for
that
many
years
since
2018,
when
the
dutch
dialogue
studies
were
conducted
and
four
years
later,
we
know
what
we
know,
and
we
know
that
we
want
to
start
protecting
watersheds
that
are
impacted
by
the
the
elevation
of
particular
properties
and
and
that's
what
I
think
this
would
do.
It
would
be
a
short
term,
a
shorter
term,
preventive
measure
in
in
operation
preventing
some
of
the
smaller
infill.
D
I
mean
that
I
see
all
the
time
out
here
on
james
island
as
people
are
taking
bigger
properties
and
having
them
subdivided
knocking
down
the
older.
You
know
smaller
homes
and
and
building
newer
homes
that
are
are
not
well
cited
in
order
to
protect
their
neighbors
as
they
are,
as
they
are
completed
and
occupied.
D
So
that's
my
that's
my
inspiration.
That's
my
discussion,
request
of
you
all
that
you
would
entertain
having
what
I
would
consider.
Let's
just
call
it
a
stop
gap
measure
that
was
thoroughly
discussed
over
the
last
four
years
in
in
place,
while
you're
waiting
to
do
a
comprehensive
rewrite
of
your
zoning
code.
D
As
you
know,
the
planning
director
has
put
on
the
on
the
council
for
budget
approval,
and
we
know
that
that's
going
to
take
two
years
before
the
full
consultant
services
work
that
that
mr
summerfield
is
proposing
to
the
council
will
will
be
completed
and
adopted.
A
lot
can
happen
in
two
years
in
terms
of
construction
development.
D
B
I
I
You
know,
keep
them
safe
over
the
next
number
of
years,
hopefully
for
the
life
of
the
of
the
structure,
and
this
is
about
future
risk
because
we
know
things
are
going
to
change
and
one
of
the
things
that
changed
within
the
watersheds
is
when
you,
when
you
put
fill
in
them,
it
changes
the
hydrology.
It
changes
can
often
change
the
infiltration
capacity
of
the
soil,
the
storage
capacity
of
of
the
basin
and
all
those
other
things.
I
So
when
we
teach
this
up
in
the
dutch
dialogues,
it
was
very
clear
that
we
were
deeply
concerned
what
we
saw
on
john's
island
about
the
development
that
was
going
on
out
there
and
the
amount
of
fill
that
was
being
used,
particularly
in
low-lying
areas,
it's
sort
of
towards
the
bottom
to
the
terminus
of
the
floodplain,
where
it
meets
the
tidal
zone.
So
we
recommend
it,
please,
you
know,
move
to
an
elevation-based
approach
for
development
and
the
comp
plan.
I
You
know
you
don't
know
how
excited
I
am
about
that,
but
the
complaint
is
tee.
This
up
and
there's
gonna,
be
some
really
hard
work
over
the
next
couple
years
to
turn
that
into
possibly
turning
it
into
zoning
code
language
and
that's
not
going
to
be
easy,
but
it
is
a
worthwhile
endeavor
and
I
and
I
think
it's
it's
an
important
endeavor
that
said
between
now
and
then
we
have
some.
We
have
some
development.
I
So
I
was
concerned
about
that
and
when
matt
came,
mr
fountain
came
to
me
this
morning
and
we
discussed
this
a
little
bit
further.
It
is
very
clear
that
his
department
they're
thinking
well
about
how
to
achieve
the
benefit
of
no
fill
in
the
lowest
lying
zones,
but
still
still
enable
some
activity
to
occur.
I
So
if
you
look
back
at
the
dutch
dialogue's
recommendations,
it's
clear
that
we
never
said
don't
use
phil.
Ever
across
the
city
we
said
useful
judiciously
and
in
the
higher
zones,
clearly
for
ingress,
ingress
and
egress
to
neighborhoods
public
safety
purposes,
and
things
like
that,
but
a
complete
ban
on
phil
in
the
lowest
lying
areas,
maybe
at
the
bottom
of
flood
plains,
where
they
intersect
with
the
with
the
tidal
areas
and
the
v
zones
and
the
ae
zones
where
they
they
come
together.
I
I
think
that
is
something
to
ponder,
but
I
don't
have
an
easy
solution
here,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
struggle.
That's
gone
on
on
this
issue
and
I
read
all
the
notes
in
the
minutes
from
the
from
the
debates
over
the
last
two
years
as
much
as
I
could
get
my
hand
on
very
clear,
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
here.
I
applaud
the
work.
That's
already
been
done
and
I'm
willing
to
ponder,
along
with
mr
fountain
staff
and
the
planning
staff
and
this
committee,
what
more
we
could
do
about
it.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
know
I
brought
this
up
before
council.
Lady
jackson
has
brought
this
up
before
we
brought
this
up
multiple
times
and,
to
be
honest
with
you,
it
hasn't
gotten
a
lot
of
traction
with
our
council,
and
so
at
some
point
I
think
you
have
to
keep
quit
trying
to
do
the
same
thing
over
and
over
again,
because
it
just
isn't
working
the
way
that
I
think
we
intended
it
to
work.
H
When
I
talked
to
mr
morris
a
couple
years
ago,
or
earlier
this
year,
when
he
was
still
at
the
water
institute
of
the
gulf,
he
referenced
two
major
projects
that
we
were
working
on,
that
we
had
got
grants
for
the
nif
with
grants,
and
we
were
looking
to
see
how
they
were
going
to
impact
some
of
these
zones
that
had
been
talked
about
in
the
dutch
dialogue
report
and
and
we're
not
through
with
those
studies.
Yet
we
haven't
gotten
to
conclusions.
H
We
haven't
been
able
to
draw
conclusions
from
these.
This
nip
with
money
that
we've
got
so
I
think
that
it's
still
too
premature
to
say
this
is
what
we
need
to
do.
I
think
that
we
need
to
defer
to
our
staff
at
this
point.
They
need
to
continue
to
make
it
a
priority.
It's
been
implemented
within
the
stormwater
manual
and
when
I
brought
this
up
earlier
this
year,
I
got
pushback
from
members
of
this
committee
and
from
council,
lady
jackson,
who
said
we're
serving
on
the
stormwater
manual
committee.
H
So
I've
seen
it
progress
over
the
last
couple
of
years-
and
I
just
don't
think
at
this
time,
especially
as
I'm
winding
down
my
last
few
weeks
on
council
that
we
should
try
to
cram
this
thing
through.
I
think
you're
gonna
have
some
new
people
coming
on
council
in
a
in
a
few
weeks,
they're
gonna
have
some
ideas
that
may
be
able
to
enhance
this
process
moving
forward.
H
But
I
do
want
to
thank
council,
lady
jackson
and
obviously
this
is
something
I'm
going
to
look
back
on
20
years
from
now
and
say
you
know
I
wish
I
could
have
done
more
in
my
four
years
about
this
topic
and
church
creek
in
general,
and
I'm
never
going
to
fall
to
anybody
for
bringing
it
up,
because
it
really
is
the
future
of
our
city.
If
we
allow
people
to
come
and
fill
in
our
wetlands
and
fill
in
our
low
elevation
zones,
we
are
going
to
never
solve
this
problem
that
we
have.
H
But
does
that
mean
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
push
an
amendment
or
an
ordinance
through
in
the
next
six
weeks?
I
I
just
don't
think
that's
the
pleasure
of
this
committee
nor
the
pleasure
of
this
council.
I
may
be
wrong,
but
that's
just
kind
of
the
appetite
that
I've
gotten
lately
and
the
fact
that
we've
tried
this
multiple
times
and
it
hasn't
worked
this
way.
So
maybe
we
need
to
take
a
different
approach.
E
How
many
of
y'all
have
read
that
history
of
drainage
that
nick
butler's
wife
wrote
I'm
I'm
towards
the
end
of
it?
Now
it's
fascinating
and
councilmember
griffin,
I'm
not
suggesting
at
all
that
we
unnecessarily
take
time,
but
a
lot
of
the
whole
history
of
350
years
of
charleston
has
been
all
about
filling.
E
So
it's
it's
amazing,
you're
right
about
that
that
we're
talking
about
this
and-
and
I
also
know
I
was
just
reading
the
section
last
night
about-
I
guess-
I'm
in
the
1920s
right
now-
and
the
city
public
works
department
and
mayor
and
council
members-
they
were
all
bemoaning
the
fact
this
was
in
1920
that
they
there
was
too
much
deferred
maintenance
of
the
systems
they
weren't
taking
here.
So
for
what
it's
worth,
this
has
been
going
on
for
a
while.
E
So
I
wonder
two
questions,
and
probably
mostly
to
matt
here:
do
do
we
and
and
I'm
hearing
there's
you
know
some
places
where
phil
would
be
okay,
maybe
in
the
higher
elevations
and
not
okay
in
others.
Are
we
even
keeping
track?
Do
we
know
like
how
many
slab
on
grade
structures
got
approved
in
the
last
six
months
or
a
year.
A
That
side
mayor
would
be
something
building.
Inspections
would
probably
have
better
access
to
than
stormwater,
because
they'll
approve
those
foundation
plans,
but
we
certainly,
we
certainly
see
both
construction
methods
being
built.
So
we
still
see
quite
a
bit
of
elevated
home
coming
in,
especially
in
areas
now
that
us
property
values
continue
to
increase
we're
seeing
desires
for
park
under
that
kind
of
thing
which
gets
you
more.
A
You
know
more
use
of
your
property
for
for
structure
right
and
then,
but
we
do
in
some
of
the
areas
still
see
slab
on
grade
frequently
in
higher
elevations
we're
not
as
much
full
as
needed,
but
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
balance
because
phil
has
honestly
gotten
quite
a
bit
more
expensive
is
the
local
borrow.
Pits
have
mostly
been
used
up
and
they're
trucking
from
further
and
further
away
we're
starting
to
see
phil
coming
down
in
usage
and
then
separate
from
that,
of
course,
the
new
stormwater
manual.
A
E
So
so
I
hear
you
and-
and
this
might
not
have
been
for
the
benefit
of
all
the
committee,
but
I
saw
in
your
response
by
email
to
councilmember
jackson
that
the
storm
water
department
has
had
some
progress
on
putting
together
a
concept
ordinance
to
prevent
building
both
slab
on
grade
foundations
and
raised
slab
foundations
for
single
family
homes
within
the
hundred
year.
Flood
plain.
E
So
how
reasonably
close?
Are
you
to
having
that
concept
ordinance
written
up,
because
I
I
think
that
councilmember
griffin's
point
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
rush
it,
but
we
don't
want
to
wait
until
the
zoning
rewrite
occurs
and-
and
maybe
there's
some
sweet
medium
here.
But
what
what
do
you
think?
Where
are
we
on
this.
A
E
A
A
Okay,
and
in
what
areas
we
started
talking
with
the
stakeholder
groups,
we
still
need
to
do
some
outreach
with
that
concept,
with
the
homebuilder
side
of
the
stakeholder
group
to
see
what
concerns
they
might
have
and
see
where
we
could
kind
of
help
address
that
within
our
ordinance,
then
we
have
to
do
the
actual
legal
legwork
of
how
do
you
actually
fit
it
into
a
you
know
the
city
of
uni
code
of
how?
How
does
it
actually
fit
in
the
code
of
ordinances
we
have.
Where
does
it
sit?
A
What
are
the
enforcement
mechanisms
within
the
ordinance?
What
are
the
penalties?
If
you
don't
comply,
which
I
think
we
can,
we
figured
out
again
a
conceptual
way
to
deal
with
that
with
basically
through
getting
your
co
like
it
would
be
in
a
building
permit.
Then
we
have
to
talk
to
the
billy
inspections
department
and
make
sure
they're
comfortable
with
that
in
their
workflow
and
build
the
internal
side
of
the
workflow
process.
A
Make
sure
it's
not
too
much
of
a
lift
that
then
it
comes
back
generally
to
council
and
say
we
say:
okay,
here's
something:
we've
presented,
here's,
what
any
cost
implications
would
be
for
doing
it
from
a
execution
standpoint
at
the
city,
staffing
level.
Here
are
the
options
which
you
know:
we've
like,
for
instance,
we've
used
100
year
flood
plan.
You
could
go
out
to
a
500-year
floodplain,
you
could
narrow
it
down
to
a
smaller
area
than
a
100-year.
Floodplain.
A
Here
are
the
thoughts
we
have
here
are
the
concerns
from
the
stakeholder
communities
and
then
basically
council
would
have
that
ability
to
to
discuss
if
they
feel
comfortable
proceeding
with
that
type
of
approach,
so
I
would
think
we're
probably
realistically
a
few
months
away,
but
no
longer
years
away.
It's
a
lot's
been
done
in
the
last
six
months,
but
it's
it's
a
slow
and
steady
process,
especially
without
the
floodplain
manager.
Unfortunately,
at
the
moment,
all
right
all.
B
D
Thank
you
I
I
do
just
since
this
is
probably
going
to
be
my
last
word
as
an
elected
official
on
this
topic,
but
I
I
I
need
to
go
on
the
record.
I
I
did
not
put
the
language
on
the
agenda
that
this
would
be
a
discussion
on
banning
phil
and
build
my
my
idea,
and
I
know
it
was.
You
know
over
a
brief
discussion
with
you,
chairman
waring.
D
So
I
I
appreciate
the
shortcut,
but
basically
my
request
was
that
we
go
back
to
the
ordinance
that
was
put
forward
to
the
council
in
full
in
february
of
2021,
and
basically
the
reasons
we're
looking
at
this
now
was
that
we
had
completed
the
work
that
we
said
we
still
needed
to
do
in
february
by
getting
the
land
and
water
analysis,
recommendations
and
results.
So
that's
that
was
my
rationale
and
the
ordinance
that
was
looked
at
by
the
council
and
you
know
basically,
deferred
because
we
didn't
have
the
city
plan.
D
Analysis
basically
talked
about
fill
requirements,
so
zero
fill
in
the
wet
zone,
which
is
defined
as
zero
to
six
feet
above
sea
level
and
then
limited
fill
in
the
ecological
zone
and,
and
that
basically
is
where
you
would
have
a
bill
that
makes
sense
for
roads
and
anything
else.
That
would
be
necessary
in
an
infill
development
in
a
higher
elevation.
D
So
I
I
need
to
be
on
record,
I'm
not
a
band
phil
and
any
for
any
place
anytime.
Any
any
reason-
and
I'm
also
the
only
thing
that
I
said
in
february,
I
said
I
came
ready
to
vote-
give
that
ordinance
a
first
reading.
My
only
request
at
that
time
was
that
it
be
expanded
beyond
church,
creek
and
john's
island,
which
is
where
it
had
rested.
I
wanted
it
to
be
eligible
to
other
elevation
locations
in
the
different
boroughs
of
our
city.
So
that's
those
are
my
two
reasons
for
tonight.
D
A
It's
related,
but
slightly
different.
Mr
mayor,
I
mean
it's,
it
would
be
city-wide
in
terms
of
the
special
flood
hazard
area,
the
100-year
flood
plain
right.
It
wouldn't
be
limited
to
a
geographical
location
other
than
100-year
floodplain
or
potentially
a
500-year
floodplain.
If
you
want
to
expand
it,
it
is.
It
is
more
permissive
of
phil,
though,
than
what
councilman
jackson
proposed
that
we
would
be
basically
removing
the
somewhat
of
an
incentive
for
phil
to
say.
A
A
A
That's
more!
The
thrust.
We
were
looking
at
at
this
point
where
the
comp
plan
really
focused
in
on
more
of
the
elevation-based
zoning
and
how
to
address
it
and
the
reason
we
did
that
is
that
that's
a
it's
a
good
approach
and
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It's
a
much
more
challenging
regulatory,
lift
of
how
you
physically
do
it
in
the
city
processes
and
what
methodology
is
there
is
for
basically
review
and
enforcement
and
action
within
that,
based
on
how
individual
lots
are
currently
brought
in
for
development.
A
B
Holiday
round
on
this
one,
but
I
think
we
have
to
bring
this
discussion
to
close
so
this
this
is
certainly
going
to
go
into
next
year.
I
think
I,
like
the
methodical
approach
that
mr
fountain
has
described,
be
interesting
to
see
what
you're
talking
about
council
lead,
how
that's
going
to
apply
to,
for
example,
laurel
island
when
that
began
to
be
developed
over
there.
So
so
I'm
sure
we
have
more
input.
But
let's
entertain
the
motion
to
adjourn.