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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Public Works and Utilities Meeting 10/10/22
B
C
D
Mr
chairman,
our
first
item
is
some
items
that
will
be
in
the
scdlc
right
away
in
conjunction
with
the
West
santasy
Bikeway
Greenway
connector
Trail.
This
is
something
we've
been
working
with
with
the
parts
department,
Chase
Anderson,
and
we
would
recommend
for
the
right
to
tell
dot
that
we
will
accept
the
maintenance
of
those
items.
F
D
D
F
D
Sir,
this
is
a
this:
is
a
sidewalk
infill
project
on
East
Bay
Street
near
Charlotte,
Street.
That
county
is
going
to
do
for
us
and
it's
going
to
be
a
nice
little
project
to
get
some
connectivity.
So
this
is
on
the
west
side
of
East
Bay
kind
of
near
where
the
the
I
guess
it's
the
law
firm.
The
name
of
is
escaping
me
now,
but
it's
going
to
be
an
infield,
sidewalk
and
granite
curb
right
there,
and
we
recommend
that
we
will
accept
that
maintenance.
Also.
D
F
F
D
You
talking
about
on
the
east
side
over
there.
No
it's
on
the
west
side
I.
We
did
the
one
on
the
on
the
east
side,
I'll
check
on
the
west
side
and
see,
if
that's
part
of
or
not
I'll
get
Madden
to
look
at
it
and
we'll
get
with
the
urban
forestry
and
see
what
we
can
do
on
that
make
it
in
conjunction
with
this
project.
Okay,.
D
A
B
A
D
I'm
going
to
ask
on
this
item
here
some
from
some
also
some
support
from
Matt,
Fountain
and
magaly
from
the
legal
department.
This
is
a
situation
where
a
gentleman
Dan
Carroll
on
L
Street
was
trying
to
sell
his
house,
and
he
found
out
that
the
house
is
unfortunately
built
in
the
city
drain
engagement
and
it's
causing
him
issues
with
the
sale.
They
can't
get
clear
title
and
We've
turned
over.
Obviously
anytime.
We
have
a
situation
where
storm
water
is
affected.
We've
asked
Matt
and
Matt.
D
H
You
chairman
and
yes,
Mr
Brian.
We
did
take
a
look
at
the
survey
that
was
done
for
the
property
on
the
edge
of
the
home
is
sitting
about
three
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
pipe.
The
pipe
is
five
or
six
feet
deep
in
this
location.
It's
a
storm
water,
pipe
that
drains
the
road
basically
backwards
through
between
two
lots
across
another
road
and
then
between
some
more
Lots
into
a
stormwater
pond.
H
You
know,
unfortunately,
due
to
the
depth
of
the
pipe
and
the
proximity
to
the
foundation
of
the
home.
We
feel
it's
too
close
to
the
home
to
be
able
to
adjust
that
easement.
We
did
look
at
where
there
were
options
to
relocate
the
pipe.
Unfortunately,
the
home
on
the
other
side
is
very,
is
very
close
to
the
edge
of
the
easement,
which
is
only
a
10
foot,
wide
easement
on
the
other
side.
So
there's
not
really
movement
to
shift
that
pipe
to
the
other
side.
A
Thank
you.
So
we
we
were
looking
at
one
way
to
possibly
handle.
This
was
through
a
an
encroachment
agreement
which
would
basically
allow
the
homeowner
Improvement
there
to
encroach
on
our
storm
water,
drainage,
easement
and
and
have
that
that
standard
language
that
we
have
in
the
other
easements,
regarding
liability
etc.
For
the
city
to
to
make
sure
that
that's
set
forth
in
the
agreement,
and
that
would
endure
to
the
benefit
of
future
successors
entitled
to
the
property.
F
F
Right
so
I'm
sure
we
would
try
to
replace
the
pipe
without
causing
any
damage
to
their
Foundation.
But
if
it
might
not
be
it's
feasible
and
it
might
not
be
possible
that
since
it's
so
close
so
and
so
if
we
had
to
remove
part
of
the
foundation
or
literally
our
that
corner
of
the
house,
would
that
be
on
the
city
or
that
would
be
on
the
homeowner.
A
I
I
We
would
prefer
a
partial
release
of
the
easement.
Obviously
your
engineers
and
Technical
people
are
telling
you
that
is
unlikely
or
problematic,
and
here
we
are
with
the
encroachment
permit
at
a
minimum,
the
minimum,
so
Mr
Carroll
and
his
wife
can
have
title
to
the
property,
sell
it.
They
are
retired.
I
We
believe
that
that
is
an
appropriate
outcome
and
the
Mr
Carol
and
his
wife
and
any
future
homeowners
bear
responsibility,
he's
gone
through
great
expense
to
hire
to
hire
a
professional
surveyor.
We
don't
believe
the
pipe
is
is
as
close
as
maybe
what
what
staff
does,
but
that
is
a
minor
disagreement
and
again
we
believe
that
the
encroachment
permit
would
be
sufficient
and.
A
B
A
That
cell
fell
through
because
of
the
brain
achievement
and
then
the
second
price
that
is
a
reduced
price
at
the
sale
is
now
pending.
We
would
ask
for
a
partial
abandonment
of
the
drainage
easement.
If
that
isn't
granted,
then
we
would
ask
for
the
encroachment
permit
or
easement
that
the
City
attorney
had
mentioned.
A
But
I'll
be
happy
to
Circle
back
with
staff
and
then
have
a
follow-up
discussion
with
them,
but
my
understanding
was
that
even
a
a
partial
abandonment
was
not
feasible,
but
we
will
look
into
that
and
discuss
that.
Some
more
and
I'll
be
happy
to
to
send
a
proposed
agreement
in
some
way
to
perform,
depending
on
what
those
results
have
been.
Yes,.
I
Ma'am,
thank
you
and
from
a
timing,
standpoint,
certainly
y'all's
decision,
but
if
we
could,
if
the
objective
which
it
is
for
the
carols
is
to
move
forward
immediately,
the
the
minimum
encroachment
permit
for
today
would
do,
and
we
would
certainly
appreciate
it
if
we
could
leave
the
door
open
for
partial
release,
that
that
would
certainly
help
the
carols
they're
moving
into
retirement
community
and
they
they
need
to
get
out
of
this
house
and
sell
it.
So.
B
A
B
A
F
A
D
D
D
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it
wasn't
until
this
weekend
that
our
crews
haven't
worked.
They
didn't
work
Sunday
of
this
week,
it's
the
first
Sunday
they've
had
off.
So
we
were
happy
to
do
that,
and
one
thing
we're
doing
this
week
is
we're
starting
on
the
back
of
routes,
we're
running
our
normal
routes,
but
we're
starting
on
the
back
of
routes,
because
people
who
maybe
had
a
delay
in
getting
service
the
week
before
this
will
allow
them
to
maybe
get
some
stuff
picked
up.
D
A
B
A
We're
making
progress
so
I
can
tell
you
for
for
Monday's
routes.
We
could
have
most
of
those
wrapped
up
today.
As
far
as
the
yard
debris
and
that's
you
know
the
the
Monday
routes,
the
bulk
items-
there's
still
some
of
that
out
there,
so
we're
working
on
trying
to
get
that
up
too,
but
that
is
supposed
to
resume
next
week.
I
would
say
we
probably
have
another
week
this
week
and
next
week
before
we
get
most
of
the
brush
done.
Okay,.
G
D
Yes,
sir
Mr
chairman
I'm
gonna,
ask
Miss
colleague.
This
is
something
that
that
Julia
Copeland
asked
the
student
magaly
I
know
that
they
just
asked
for
consideration
to
waive
the
building
and
permanent
things
or
associated
with
the
Emmanuel
Memorial.
If
you've
got
any
additional
information
on
that
you'd
like
to
share
with
a
committee.
D
F
I
I'll
just
add:
if
I
made
Mr
chairman
that
that
we
had
this
request,
I
know
Council
has
been
very
generous
and
and
helped
with
another
cash
commitment,
but
as
as
they
presented
to
us,
they're
they're
still
raising
funds,
and
so
every
dollar
every
penny
matters
and
and
them
getting
this.
This
amazing
Memorial
done
and
so
yeah
it's
another
request
of
it.
But
you
know:
do
we
need
to
make
a
building
permit
fee
off
the
mother
manual
Memorial?
B
J
B
F
B
J
F
B
H
Basically,
for
them
to
provide
in-contract
utility
funding
of
100
of
the
costs
of
the
sanitary
sewer
work,
it's
about
three
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars.
You'll
you'll
note
this
one
is
being
brought
after.
Obviously,
we
brought
the
Earhart
contract.
The
Charleston
Water
Systems
was
negotiating
a
little
bit
of
additional
work
with
the
contractor
for
some
of
the
sewer
work
they
were
looking
to
do
in
the
area.
B
H
Amendment
number
one
it's
to
basically
progress
the
project
beyond
the
conceptual
engineering
that
we've
completed
into
now,
the
recommended
design
and
Permitting
Services,
based
on
the
conceptual
engineering
work
we
did
so
that
takes
us
all
the
way
through
construction,
drawings
and
final
permitting
work.
This
is
with
Thomas
who's,
the
engineer
in
the
project
and
the
amount
of
567
300.
If
we
include
all
the
optional
Services,
there
are
a
couple
of
optional
Services.
H
We
don't
expect
to
use
but
they're
in
there
in
case
we
needed
them
for
some
real
estate
acquisition
support
if
necessary,
and
some
coordination
with
CWS.
This
funding
is
available
in
the
existing
drainage
fund
allocation.
This
project
also
is
the
project
that
we
received
a
state
earmark
with
a
lot
of
work
from
representative
sabernacus
of
one
and
a
half
million
dollars,
so
we'll
be
using
some
of
that
state.
Your
Mark
money
towards
these
Services
as
well.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
this.
B
E
E
Matt's
been
doing
an
excellent
job.
The
old
one
of
your
neighborhood
association's
been
very
active
and
engaged
in
this
throughout.
We
appreciate
everything
the
mayor's
done.
This
committee
has
done
as
well
and
I
just
encourage
my
colleagues
to
help
us
take
the
next
step
forward
in
this
important
process,
and
we
continue
to
make
it
happen
over
in
this
part
of
West
Ashley
and
yeah.
E
This
councilman
wearing
alluded
to
we've
had
our
State
Legislative
delegation
involved
in
this
as
well,
both
on
the
funding
side
of
things,
but
also
on
the
permitting
side
of
things
to
really
help.
It's
been
a
great
team
effort
and
I.
Just
can't
tell
you
how
excited
I
am
to
see
this
day
that
we're
actually
moving
this
forward
in
a
significant
manner.
So,
with
all
that
said,
I
would
urge
my
colleagues
to
support
this
project
and
I'll
support
the
one.
That's
come
in
your
neck
of
the
woods,
obviously
as
well.
H
That's
a
good
question
mayor,
so
this
is
the
plan
pathway
forward.
We
still
have
some
coordination
and
Outreach
meetings
with
the
old
Windermere
neighborhood
association
and
the
South
Windermere
neighborhood
association,
so
the
there'll
be
a
little
bit
of
adjustment
or
tweaking
to
the
final
layout
of
plans,
but
generally
we
would
expect
to
see
about
two
years
there's
a
new
outfall
that
would
be
necessary
which
will
require
an
individual
permit.
H
From
the
Army
Corps
of
engineer,
we've
been
working
with
the
Charleston
County
School
District
who's
been
very
supportive
of
some
property
being
transferred
in
an
easement
capacity
to
the
city
for
the
outfall,
and
then
the
portion
of
the
work
is
that
within
the
greenway
itself,
which
is
in
this
area
extremely
full
of
CWS
significant
infrastructure.
So
it
is
a
challenging
project,
there's
also
a
DOT
component
on
William
Ackerman.
H
So
it's
it's
probably
two
years
before
we'd
be
really
ready
to
go
to
construction.
But
that's
part
of
the
reason
we
need
to
get
started
is
so
that
we're
sitting
here
in
two
years
saying
it's
good
thing.
We
got
going
and
there's
Improvement
being
made.
We
do
second
of
that
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
ever
steal
custom
fellas
Thunder,
but
we
we
have
been
working
through
the
outfall
cleaning
in
this
area
as
a
short-term
measure.
So
we
did
receive
those
permits.
We
did
complete
the
bid
process.
H
We
are
reviewing
our
contractor
submissions
and
expect
to
see,
potentially
at
next
council
meeting
a
recommendation
for
award
on
that.
So
we're
again
continuing
the
short-term
projects
in
this
area,
as
well
as
that
long-term
project,
but
likely
two
years
for
the
major
improvements
to
get
into
Construction.
F
B
H
This
outfall,
clean
Mr
chairman,
is
actually
coming
under
Folly
Road,
just
to
the
south
of
the
Windermere
Shopping
Center,
going
then
out
under
William
Ackerman
and
the
rest
of
the
way
out.
So
it's
okay.
It
does
drain
a
little
bit
of
the
greenway
kind
of
on
the
far
side
of
Folly
Road
from
the
traditional
part
of
the
agreement.
We
think
Greenway
we
think
about,
but
it's
primarily
the
neighborhoods
draining
into
this
area
and
Folly
Road
itself,
rather
than
the
The
Greenway
section.
Okay,.
A
B
H
H
Obviously
we
we
can
clean
ditches,
there's
a
lot
of
vegetative,
cutback
and
debris.
Removal
at
the
moment
where
and
somewhat
limited
on
staff,
so
we
sort
of
focus
on
the
biggest
bang
for
your
buck
returns
with
additional
staff
we
would
like
you
can
see
what's
on
the
right
and
blue
is
what
we
would
like
to
be
doing.
H
Moving
into
the
machine,
clean
ditches
and
canals.
These
are
our
larger
systems
and
our
roadside
systems.
Again,
we
currently
focus
on
vegetative
cutback
to
brew
removal
and
we've
been
rehabilitating
our
roadside
drainage
system
over
the
last
three
years.
We're
on
schedule
to
finish
that
in
about
two
more
years
on
the
right,
we
would
like
to
get
into
more
outfall
maintenance
work.
H
In
addition
to
kind
of
the
the
heavier
work
that
we're
currently
doing
in
those
systems,
we've
all
talked
about
the
out
Falls
I
think
thoroughly,
so
I
won't
go
into
that
more
detail,
less
anyways
any
questions,
but
we'd
certainly
like
to
increase
how
much
of
that
we're
doing
the
pipe
systems.
We
currently
focus
our
efforts
on
catch-basing
cleaning
and
then
basically,
blockage
removal.
H
H
H
The
picture,
we're
picturing
a
walking
excavator.
There
are
the
more
difficult
canals
and
ditches
with
some
specialized
equipment,
we'd
like
to
follow
that
through.
Basically,
the
potential
Staffing
shows
that
same
general,
distribution
of
Workforce
versus
again,
the
two
Crews
that
we're
currently
running
and
just
for
for
clarity.
H
Hopefully
those
titles
are,
are
straightforward,
but
the
current
Staffing
is
the
physical
bodies
that
we
have
in
place
where
the
budgeted
Staffing
is
what
the
the
budget
would
say
that
we
could
have
in
place
under
our
current
budget,
then
potential
Staffing
would
be
if
we
did
some
reworking
of
pay
grades
and
some
reworking
of
the
progression
system.
What
we
think
we
could
get
to
realistically
pipework
so
again,
we're
I
mislabeled
those
terribly
I
apologize
for
that,
but
we're
currently
working
through.
H
H
A
H
Again,
we'd
like
to
be
doing
installation
work
for
improvement
projects,
as
well
as
trying
to
rebuild
some
of
these
rear
yard,
ditch
systems
and
less
maintained
soil
stitches
and
canals
for
rehabilitation
purposes.
Our
current
Staffing
we're
showing
one
crew.
It's
actually
down
to
two
people
at
this
point
in
time,
so
it
is
technically
a
crew,
but
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
sparse
one.
H
We're
budgeted
to
have
two
full
Crews
we'd
like
to
staff
at
it
at
two
full
Crews
a
little
bit
better
skill
level
than
our
current
budgeting
would
generally
call
for
the
Engineering
ms4
Group.
Again,
we've
got
a
project
management
group
here
ms4,
which
is
our
stormwater
regulatory
program.
It's
the
acronym
for
it.
The
floodplain
group
is
here
as
well.
Our
Capital
project
manager
is
obviously
are
in
the
project
management
group.
That's
also
where
you
do
our
small
project
allocation
and
we
do
a
lot
of
our
Outreach
activity.
H
The
ms4
program
we're
running
very
comfortably
at
about
nine
apartment
reviews
per
week
for
major
developments.
Unfortunately,
the
the
review
level
this
year
has
been
anywhere
from
10
to
15
reviews
per
week.
We've
actually
been
stretching
the
folks
doing
that
work
and
they've
been
keeping
up
really
well
this
year
it's
been
it's
been
pretty
impressive,
but
it's
definitely
starting
to
wear
them
out
and
we
are
a
little
concerned
if
we
were
to
lose
an
employee
that
it's
taken
us
generally
over
a
year
to
hire
engineers
at
this
point.
H
So
we're
looking
to
add
a
position
to
that
location
which
we'll
see
in
a
second
obviously
more
construction
work
going
on
than
in
general,
we've
been
taking
over
some
of
the
infrastructure
inspection
as
part
of
development
projects
and
then
we're
trying
to
get
back
into
doing
more
asset
data
collection
is
constant
element
in
the
last
real
asset
inventory
of
the
city
was
in
1984.
The
city
has
changed
a
little
bit
since
1984.,
so
we
would
like
to
try
to
make
sure
we're
a
little
more
current
than
that,
but
that
is.
H
It
is
an
excellent
study
in
a
lot
of
areas
and
Peninsula
some
other
areas.
It
is
still
pretty
accurate,
but
in
as
you
get
into
the
West
Ashley
James
Allen
Johns
Island
Kenway
areas.
It's
obviously
not
very
accurate
flood
blind
program
still
doing
reviews
CRS
program,
we'd
like
to
add
in
more
grat
Grant
Management,
to
keep
working
that
side
of
the
house
and
doing
a
little
more
Outreach
and
education
to
kind
of
get
get
more
information
out
there
to
homeowners.
H
Like
every
time
we
have
one
of
these
major
storms,
hurricanes
people
are
often
surprised
where
they
see
flooding
or
where
they
should
or
shouldn't
have
flood
insurance
and
I.
Think
getting
more
education
out
to
the
community
would
be
really
helpful
in
that
in
that
aspect
again,
just
really
briefly,
here,
current
Staffing
have
our
Outreach
coordinator,
our
AutoCAD
technician
and
our
inspector
by
the
microphone
AutoCAD
screen
and
hard
hat,
and
then
for
project
managers.
We're
budgeted
to
have
those
three
positions
as
well
as
six
project
managers.
H
We
would
like
to
have
seven
project
managers.
If
we're
going
to
add
in
the
IDC
and
alcohol
inspection,
work,
helpful
cleaning
work,
the
ms4
program
is
probably
the
least
changes.
It's
really
looking
to
hire
the
asset
manager
position
that
we're
budgeted
for,
but
haven't
staffed
at
the
moment
and
then
adding
in
that
one
additional
plan
reviewer
and
one
additional
inspector
floodplain
program.
Again,
that's
actually
just
bringing
us
back
to
hopefully
budgeted
levels
with
a
floodplain
manager
and
a
floodplain
technician.
H
One
of
the
things
we
have
looked
at
doing
is
trying
to
build
a
progression
plan
into
the
department,
especially
towards
the
field
operations
side.
Where
it's
often,
we
talk
a
lot
about
how
it's
hard
to
compete
with
private
sector
for
pay
rates
within
kind
of
construction.
Industry
tradescraft
right
now
that
it's
incredibly
high
demand
industry
in
the
Charleston
area,
which
is
is
good
to
see
from
a
growing
city
perspective.
It
is
challenging
to
see
from
trying
to
hire
those
employees
into
our
service
Fields.
H
One
of
the
things
we
think
we
can
offer
is
basically
doing
in-house
skills,
training
and
career
progression
so
that
we
hire
you
in
it
kind
of
entry
level
positions,
but
we're
willing
to
train
you
and
build
you
through
the
career
system
and
a
lot
of
employers.
That's
not
something
that's
offered,
so
it
is
a
real
incentive
and
basically
we're
instead
of
having
to
wait
for
someone
above
you
to
retire
or
a
position
to
become
vacant.
H
If
you
obtain
the
skills
through
testing
necessary
to
move
to
the
next
position,
you
would
basically
be
Advanced
into
that
exposition
to
reflect.
You
know,
you're,
getting
your
CDL
license,
you
learning
to
drive
a
backhoe,
you
know
learning
to
operate
an
excavator
Etc
and
that
really
provides
sort
of
the
desire
of
the
city.
As
being
like
a
place
to
build
a
whole
career
again,
rather
than
kind
of
a
stopping
point
in
your
in
your
journey,
hopefully
we.
H
Some
great
adjustments,
specifically
based
on
looking
at
where
we
have
vacancy
rates
where
we
have
retention
challenges
and
then,
where
we
have
employee
attraction
challenges
so
looking
at
basically
what
all
this
is
tracked
in
our
hiring
paper
paperwork
that
HR
keeps
track
of
where
you
can
see
how
many
people
have
looked
at
job
application.
How
many
will
people
look
at
like
a
job
posting?
H
So,
basically,
what
would
the
layout
cost
that
we
presented
in
field
operations?
It
increases
our
current
costs
about
570
000.
That
assumes
you
were
to
fully
staff
every
position
immediately
on
a
full
annual
basis,
which
of
course,
is
not
going
to
happen.
I
mean
even
if
you
were
to
do
the
changes,
we're
talking
about
they're,
not
drastic
enough.
That
you'd
suddenly
fill
all
your
positions.
It
would
take
time
to
to
hire
in
in
the
Engineering
ms4
Group
we've
got
360
000,
that's
that's
salary
and
overhead
rate
for
the
city.
C
H
As
a
department
currently
budgeted
for
400
000
in
salary
savings,
basically
assuming
that
there
will
be
vacant
positions,
so
if
you
were
again
to
fully
staff,
you
would
have
to
find
the
money
for
that
salary
savings
as
well.
So
we
end
up
basically
just
over
a
million
dollars
again
assuming
completely
full
Staffing,
which
is
unlikely,
there's
some
options
to
pay.
H
For
that
you
could
certainly,
basically
that's
a
that's
similar
to
what
we
budget
for
with
idc's
right
now,
you
could
say
that
you
know
we
will
basically
use
the
IDC
budgets
to
cover
that
salary
work
and
then,
whenever
we
have
vacancies,
that
money
would
be
used
to
fund
IDC
contract
work,
which
is
the
way
we
use
contracts
basically
to
pay
for
work.
You
can't
get
done
with
your
own
staff
members.
H
You
could
reduce
the
number
of
budget
staff.
We've
talked
about
this
that,
if
you
reduce
the
number
of
budgeted
staff,
you
would
still
have
a
total
increase
in
how
many
actual
staff
we
have
because
of
how
low
we
are
on
filled
positions.
But
it's
not
certainly
my
my
preference.
If
we're
trying
to
get
to
a
higher
level
of
service,
it
would
reduce
the
target
level
of
service,
but
it
would
approve
the
actual
level
of
service.
H
You
could
upgrade
the
stormwater
utility
account.
This
is
something
that
we've
we've
looked
at
with
Wolpert
this
year
as
a
consultant
is
that
you
know
our
stormwater
utility
database
is
quite
old.
The
billing
database,
it
very
badly
needs
to
be
redone.
Basically,
a
lot
of
the
data
is
very
old.
A
lot
of
the
accounts
are
likely
not
pain.
Perhaps
what
the
current
charges
would
be,
as
opposed
to
some
of
the
newer
accounts
that
have
opened.
H
So
there
are,
there
are
options.
There
are
certainly
other
options.
Beyond
these
these
are
just
four
of
the
more
straightforward
ones.
So
I
just
wanted
to
always
present
this
concept.
Where
I
know
you
had
some
questions
originally,
these
are
some
some
information
ideas,
I'm
happy
to
go
back
through
any
of
the
details
or
talk
about
it
and
more
precise
terms,
if
that's
helpful
as
well.
B
H
We
we
budgeted
for
for
rates
with
this
approach
of
what
we
think
would
be
relatively
competitive
in
the
current
Marketplace,
okay,
again,
not
necessarily
being
the
highest
paying
entity
in
the
area
but
being
relatively
competitive.
So
you
know
to
to
have
a
relatively
competitive
group.
It
will
still
take
time
for
those
positions
to
draw
interest
and
you
will
start
to
retain
more
people
than
you're.
D
B
H
That's
that's
more.
My
point
is
that
it's
unlikely
that
there's
there's
just
not
enough
Workforce
in
the
Charleston
area,
without
jobs,
currently
that
even
a
competitive
rate
would
just
immediately
pull
people
from
all
the
other
Industries
into
the
City
of
Charleston.
If
we
were
to
do
that,
you'd
have
to
you'd
have
to
be
the
highest
paying
entity
in
an
area
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure
I
can
make
that
work
as
easily
in
the
budget,
as
I
could
be
in
a
competitive
pain
industry.
B
Well,
let
me
let
me
let
me
engage
data
I
understand,
maybe
when
it
comes
to
the
county,
people
with
bigger
budgets,
but
we're
the
largest
municipality
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
chasing
Mount,
Pleasant
salaries,
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
chasing
North.
Charleston
South
Colombia
is
a
bump
below
us
population
wise.
You
know.
Maybe
we
would
be
neck
and
neck,
but
you
know
Saint
Andrews
PSD
and
you
start
going
around.
B
B
G
I,
first
of
all,
councilmember
Warren
thanks
for
bringing
this
topic
up
for
discussion
and
I
was
out
in
several
neighborhoods,
but
after
the
storm
and
I
ran
into
one
of
our
project
managers
on
an
area
that
Matt
and
I
and
you're
familiar
with
this
area.
Councilman
Memorial
talked
about
it
and
you
know
he
made
the
comment.
I
said
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
we're
down.
G
G
Of
disagree
with
you,
Mr
chairman,
is
I,
don't
know
the
answer
to
this
question.
Quite
frankly,
is
you
made
a
comment?
Do
we
need
to
be
chasing
other
municipalities,
I
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
answer
or
not
I
mean
I'll
leave
that
out
for
more
discussion
later,
but
you
know
we've
got
to
be
in
a
competitive
market.
Obviously
what
what
does
that
market?
Look
like
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
either
and
and
I've
raised
this
before
and
I
think
that
we
all
that
Amy
keeps
only
reminded
us
about
this.
G
It's
sort
of
like
this,
this
principle
of
you'll
be
pushing
up.
So
if
you,
if
you
pay
or
increase
the
salary
of
a
mid-level
staffer,
then
the
people
above
that
that
position
we
need
to
make
the
appropriate
adjustments
as
well
anybody's
gonna.
Look
for
those
modifications.
It's
not
it's
complicated
that
you
as
you
and
the
council
member
Gregory
May
out
in
our
meeting
at
the
last
council
meeting.
G
C
Sorry
I
had
to
find
the
unmute
Matt.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
presentation.
I
thought
that
was
very
helpful,
as
councilor
wearing
noted
on.
You
know
pretty
pretty
short
timeline
from
the
last
meeting
to
now
to
put
that
together
and
include
pictures.
So
some
of
us
who
aren't
inclined
towards
numbers
could
could
understand
as
well
the
number
two
that
you
had
on
the
last
slide
there
is
that
just
I
mean
are
you?
H
H
The
second
one
was
basically
basically
allowing
positions
to
be
vacant
or
held
vacant,
rather
than
putting
them
out
for
filling.
If
we
are
short
potential
salary
budgeting
money
versus
what
we
need
in
order
to
pay
like
a
full
complement
of
employees.
So
that's
that's
either.
You
know
you
can
either
temp.
You
know
permanently
close
out
positions
or
you
can
basically
hold
positions
as
a
like
a
frozen
position.
They
can't
be
hired
in
order
to
free
up
the
salary
money.
Those
are
both
Revenue
neutral
from
you.
Don't
have
to
generate
any
Revenue.
H
The
third
option
was
basically
a
rework
of
the
basically
trying
to
be
more
efficient
in
your
Revenue
collections
from
your
existing
fees.
So
no
new
fees
or
new
increase
in
fees
just
making
sure
everyone
who
is
paying
their
actual
fee
more
accurately
or
something
we
need
to
do
anyway,
as
we
go
in
and
rework
the
stormwater
utility
just
from
just
from
age
purposes,
then
the
last
the
last
one
was
an
actual
fee
increase,
which
was
the
only
one
that
had
new
Revenue
being
generated.
H
True
new
Revenue,
thank
you
for
that,
and
just
for
clarity,
Mr
chairman
I,
think
we
had
I
did
want
to
mention.
Is
you
you
made
a
good
point
of?
Where
should
we
be
versus
other
entities?
This
was
just
trying
to
get
us
sort
of
something
you
could
do
now
like
in
an
immediate
sense,
to
try
to
straighten
things
out
a
little
bit
like.
H
B
E
Committee
I
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
discussion
and
y'all
heard
me
upon
on
this
in
the
past
and
I
appreciate
you
determining
wearing
for
bringing
this
forward
and
Matt.
Of
course,
thank
you
for
preparing
all
that
excellent
information
to
help
you
know
visualize
the
situation
we're
dealing
with
the
only
thing
I
would
maybe
throw
out
there,
and
maybe
this
is
a
little
bit
more.
Philosophical
is
I.
Think
that
you
know
our
goal
we
should
be
driving
towards.
E
Is
you
know
the
stormwater
Department
of
the
City
of
Charleston
should
be
the
premier
stormwater
Department
in
the
region,
I
mean
if
you
want
to
be
a
storm
water
engineer,
or
this
should
be
like
the
Pinnacle
of
the
profession.
If
for
no
other
reason,
just
due
to
where
we
are
the
challenges,
we
Face
the
history
of
the
city
of
Charleston's
relationship
with
water,
you
know
we're
not
the
storm
water
department
or
the
city
of
Goose
Creek.
You
know
taking
anything
away
from
them.
E
Everybody's
got
storm
water
issues,
but
you
know
I,
do
you
know
it
would
be?
It
would
be
cool
for
lack
of
a
better
word
to
one
day
sort
of
have
that
as
the
calling
card
for
for
this
department
and
we
we
devote
the
resources
necessary
to
make
that
happen.
That's
not
just
something
you
can
wish
and
will
into
existence.
E
You
know
you
put
all
of
our
departments
the
City
of
Charleston,
now
on
a
bar
graph.
Next
to
each
other,
you
will
not
see
stormwater
as
one
of
the
most
highly
funded
and
resource
departments
in
the
city
and
I.
Just
think
that
over
time
you
know,
as
we
you
know
begin
to,
you
know,
demonstrate
our
priorities
in
action.
I
mean
we.
We
need
to
Resource
this
department
accordingly
to
get
the
results
on
the
ground
that
we
all
that
we
all
need.
So
I
think
this
is
an
important
discussion.
It's
not
something!
E
That's
going
to
be
solved
immediately.
I,
like
the
short-term
measures
that
have
been
proposed
today,
but
we
ought
to
have
I
mean
I,
think
we
do
I
mean,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
have
the
premier
storm
water
department
in
the
region,
but
that
that
ought
to
be
our
calling
card.
So
I
don't
know.
If
that's
helpful
but
we'll
maybe
go
from
there
and
see
where
we
can.
B
Go
thank
you
helpful
to
know
you
on
board,
but
I
want
to
get
back
to
councilmember,
shade
had
to
say
his
piece
about
compensation.
He's
right.
The
term
you
were
looking
for
was
compaction,
councilman
upheld
it
out,
Human,
Resources,
I,
almost
say
pushbacks.
Would,
though,
it's
just
a
reality
of
it.
I
actually
believe
with
some
of
the
immediate
suggestions
that
Mr
Fountain
is
bringing
forward
to
us.
I
think
we
should
help
the
human
resources
department
by
hiring
an
outside
labor
attorney.
B
To
look
at
this
to
see
whether
we
could
do
this
in
addition
to
because
some
of
it
I
think
involves
rewriting
of
a
job
description
to
enable
him
to
do
that
so,
but
we
need
an
outside
opinion
on
that
one,
and
certainly
that
would
be
one
thing:
I
would
recommend.
Council
lady
Parker
had
your
hand
up
you're,
muted,.
B
J
A
J
You
said:
there's
a
400,
400,
000
salary
savings
and
exactly
what
council
member
said
are
we
able?
Can
we
move
forward
in
like
council
member
wearing
sad
rewriting
those
job
descriptions,
and
maybe
you
know
you
utilizing
that
money.
This
might
be
a
Miss
Wharton
question
as
well,
but
can
we
you
utilize
those
funds
to
contract
some
of
these
items
out.
H
Let's
say
four
million
dollars
of
math
is
easier:
four
million
dollars,
a
salary
and
overhead.
You
assume
you're
going
to
have
10
of
your
positions
be
vacant,
so
they
say
well,
you're
not
going
to
spend
four
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
that
four
million.
So
we're
going
to
let
you
budget
that
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
into
other
things
within
your
department,
assuming
that
we
won't
be
paying
out
your
full
budgeted
salary,
so
that
money
is
basically
money.
H
That's
already
spent
in
like
IDC
contracts
and
small
project
allocation
and
other
things
to
400
000
that
you
would
basically
have
to
pay
back
in.
If
you
were
to
fully
staff
the
department
which
again
is
Not
Practical,
that's
why
there
are
salary
savings
and
even
in
a
perfect
employer,
there's
vacancies
as
people
leave
and
you
have
a
gap
to
rehire.
There's
always
a
question
just
of
How
High
that
salary
savings
number
will
be.
J
Okay,
thank
you
so
so
again,
so
Contracting,
something
like
this
out
is
not
something
we
want
to
do
again.
I
think
councilmember,
warings,
you
know
congestion
is
more
relevant
to
keeping
it
within
the
city.
You
know
hiring
folks
within
the
city
and
keeping
it
in-house
but
and
I,
don't
know
what
you
think
councilmember
wearing
is
is
that
you
know
moving
forward
with
that
or
Contracting
it
out.
And
how
do
we
do
that?
I.
B
B
Steps,
as
opposed
to
you
know,
kicking
the
can
down
the
road,
the
salary
savings,
as
he
said,
you're
always
going
to
have
some
of
that,
because
there's
no
no
perfect
world
out
there
I
agree
with
him
on
that,
but
The
New
Normal
is
becoming
the
salary
savings
is
used
to
hire
private
contractors
frankly,
at
a
higher
rate
to
do
what
we
need
done,
so
we
don't
get
as
much
done
if
we
had
qualified
people
in-house
fact.
At
your
point,
Council
lady
pocket,
Mr,
Mr,
council
member
Bowen,
I,
see
you
again.
B
C
A
C
B
F
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
and
and
I
do
agree
with
council
member
Appel.
We
do
have
the
best
stormwater
division
around
and
I'm
very
proud
yeah.
We
got
these
challenges
and
I've
I've
been
working
both
with
Matt
and
with
HR,
to
try
to
bring
some
new
thinking
to
our
recruitment
efforts.
In
addition
to
what
we
all
know,
we
need
to
address
with
our
budget
next
year,
so
I
think
Matt's
maintenance
plan
is,
is
a
you
know,
it's
it's.
F
Unlike
anything,
the
city
has
done
over
the
last
30
years
and
it
it
y'all
it's
something
we
need
to
to
to
do.
We
have
been
doing
it,
but
it
it's.
It's
taken
a
little
delay.
I
guess
you'd
say
you
know
with
our
Personnel
shortages,
so
good
news
is
in
in
overall,
not
just
stormwater
department,
but
September
October.
We
we've
actually
picked
up
our
number
of
employees
for
the
first
time.
F
During
the
year
we
haven't
had
a
net
loss,
we've
been
picking
up
some
employees,
maybe
the
job
Market's,
getting
a
little
bit
better.
We're
going
to
address
our
our
our
payroll
compensation
next
year,
as
we
all
have
been
planning
on
doing
so.
So
we
we
just
need
to
stick
with
it.
Stick
with
the
good
plan
maintenance
plan,
repair
plan
that
he's
got
do
a
better
job
at
recruitment.
F
You
know
continue
to
build
our
benefits
package,
which
is
part
of
our
compensation
that
we'll
be
looking
at
for
next
year.
I
think
we
got
some
improvements
coming
along
along
the
way,
but
anyway
thank
you
for
all
your
suggestions,
I
think
they're,
they're,
all
very
helpful
and
and
let's
keep
on
and
Mr
chairman
I
apologize
and
I
can
say
about
five
more
minutes,
but
I
did
have
another
commitment.
I'll
have
to
sign
off
in
just
a
few
minutes.
Certainly.
B
B
Thank
you
miss
me
any
more
discussion
on
on
that
Mr
Fountain
again.
I
really
want
to
thank
you
to
the
highest
degree,
because
this
was
asked
on
a
Tuesday
the
storm
hit.
Well,
you
walked
out
there
and
we're
preparing
for
the
storm,
so
I
mean
to
be
able
to
come
and
respond
that
quick
praises
and
salutations
really
did
a
great
job.
G
B
J
I
did
and
I
apologize.
I
should
have
asked
it
earlier,
but
we
were
on
page
didn't
want
to
get
off
track.
The
outfall
permitting
Mr,
Fountain
I,
know:
we've
had
a
few
discussions
and
I
know.
You
said:
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion,
I
I,
don't
know
if
I've
been
a
part
of
that
discussion,
but
I
am
curious.
As
far
as
the
outfall
permitting
goes.
H
So
the
Army,
the
Army
quarantee
heck,
actually
had
a
training
class
that
was
scheduled
for
last
last
Monday,
which
obviously
they
they
rescheduled
after
the
hurricane
event.
So
they
will.
They
will
have
another
public
Outreach
kind
of
Engagement
educational
session,
which
may
be
valuable
if
any
customers
are
interested
in
in
attending
councilman
Paul's
been
to
one
before
that,
the
core
offered,
and
that
can
be
helpful
to
kind
of
see
how
the
process
works.
We
have
advanced
negotiations
with
a
consultant
for
a
fee.
H
They
basically
do
a
template
design
for
an
outfall
project,
we're
working
through
finalizing
that
with
them
that
will
make
their
our
submittal.
The
county
is
doing
the
same
thing
with
a
similar,
awful
project.
Then
we'll
report
back
to
you
all
on
how
that
template
project
proceeds
and
see
if
we
want
to
progress
with
you
know
the
list
of
pending
additional
outfall
permits
that
we
need
moving
from
that.
J
B
A
F
I
may
just
add,
with
that
I
felt
like
we
had
a
very
good
meeting
in
my
office
just
last
week
with
the
colonel
of
of
of
of
the
U.S
Army
Corps,
and
some
of
his
staff
and
Matt
and
I
feel
like
more
so
than
ever,
we're
on
the
same
page
as
to
a
good
path
forward.
Will
it
be
as
quick
as
we
all
like?
You
know
we
got
to
follow
there.
F
We
do
have
to
get
those
permits,
but
they
they
promised
us
that
they
would
work
hand
in
hand
with
our
staff,
try
to
cut
some
of
the
red
tape
and
go
to
a
different
approach
that
would
get
us
these
permits
in
a
in
in
a
quicker
fashion
than
what
we've
been
seeing.
So
we
brought
it
to
their
attention
and
and
I
I
felt.
That
was
a
good
step.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Man,
for
all
those
efforts,
because
we
certainly
need
it
and
down
in
miscellaneous
Mr
Fountain
I
had
a
couple
of
things
on
the
FEMA.
Since
this
storm
went
through,
we
had
a
number
of
people
that,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
one
reason.
I
was
late
to
Jim
and
Pell's
real
estate
meeting.
That
was
on
with
the
neighborhood
association
president
for
East
Oak
Forest,
who
house
flooded.
H
So
they
have
not
gotten
yet
to
the
point
where
they
will
release
any
special
funding
for
Acquisitions.
Due
to
the
hurricane
impact.
We
are
in
the
middle
of
an
of
a
funding
round,
though,
for
the
FMA
program,
which
is
one
of
the
the
better
Grant
programs
for
acquisition.
It
does
require
you
to
have
an
active
National
flood
insurance
policy
for
your
home
because
most
of
the
FEMA
acquisition
grants
are
really
intended
to
basically
reduce
costs
to
the
National
flood
insurance
from
repeat
payouts.
H
H
No,
so
so,
depending
on
how
much
damage
their
home
has
there's
a
sliding
scale
for
what
the
matching
contribution
is
in
the
past,
the
city
has
typically
paid
that
matching
contribution
as
a
the
drainage
fund.
Basically,
it
is
one
of
the
reasons
FMA
is
good.
Is
it
frequently
is
only
like
a
10
match,
rather
than
more
like
a
25
match,
you'd
see
from
an
hmgp
program,
but.
F
A
H
H
It
does
frequently
take
a
year
or
two
for
the
grants
to
come
through,
so
you
don't
get
continued
appreciation
in
your
home
between
when
the
application
is
submitted
and
when
the
grant
is
funded.
But
it
does
not
like
take
a
deduction
for
saying
that
your
home
has
been
flood
damaged
and
therefore
has
not
worth
as
much
right.
B
B
B
J
Yes,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
for
that
reason
I'd
like
to
ask
this
question:
if
it's
okay,
so
the
data
I've
been
pointing
a
lot
of
citizens,
especially
after
Ian
to
our
you
know,
flood
page
I
think
we
posted
it
on
their
Facebook
page
as
well.
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
could
possibly
share
that
data,
maybe
at
an
upcoming
meeting
and
I,
don't
know
how
the
city
collects
that
data,
but
it
may
be
an
imp.
I
know
it.
You
know
is
important
for
me
to
know.
You
know.
J
I've
asked
you
know.
I
know:
Mr
Waring
asked
for
a
list
of
homes,
but
I
know
that
a
lot
of
citizens
I
point
them
out
direction
of
our
website
at
what
whether
it's
ditch
maintenance
or
storm
drains,
whatever
it
might
be,
but
also
the
most
recent
flood
page.
You
know
I
apologize,
I,
think
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about
right
like
it
was
your
home
impacted
by
flood.
Is
everyone
aware
of
that
website?
Right?
Okay,
I
got
a
mailing
of
something.
J
Right,
yeah,
no
I
and
I
I
just
saw
that
today,
but
either
way.
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
can
share
that
data
with
us.
You
know
if
what
is
I
mean
I'm
sure,
that's
something
that
I
can
just
reach
out,
maybe
to
Brian
with
or
or
you
but
I'm
just
curious.
If
anyone
else
is,
how
can
we
see
that
data
that's
being
submitted.
H
J
Yes,
and
and
not
just
damage,
but
you
know
as
far
as
those
maintenance
requests
or
you
know,
ditch
cleanings
and
things
like
that,
what
we're
getting
it
in
on
the
city
website,
obviously
for
data
purposes
you
know,
can.
Can
we
share
that,
whether
whether
you
share
it
with
me,
via
email
committee,
I'm,
just
curious
about
the
data?
Yes,.
H
We
can
we
can
look
at
that.
Mr
Sheen
can
normally
produce
how
many
citizen
requests
we've
had
in
different
categories.
Under
the
gov
QA
program
in
different
months.
That's
a
relatively
straightforward
pathway.
We
we
mostly
collect
those
the
way
the
program
set
up
is
for
creation
of
work,
orders
out
of
them
and
then
tracking
it
as
work
orders,
rather
than
it
wasn't
originally
set
up
as
a
way
to
like
track.
H
B
Okay
and
one
last
thing
for
the
next
agenda
next
month
agenda
next
two
weeks:
agenda,
Mr,
fountain
I,
want
to
get
a
presentation,
I'll
reach
out
to
CWS
on
again
the
dollars
that
are
behind
and
the
collection
of
stormwater
fees,
and
particularly
people
who
are
just
not
paying.
This
has
been
so
how
long
you've
been
with
this
city
now
Mr
Fountain
about.
B
So
if
we
go
to
an
annual
payment,
when
people
bid
on
their
property
taxes,
we
got
to
find
a
way
to
bridge
that
until
the
next
property
tax
collection
I
doubt
that
we
we'd
be
able
to
put
it
on
this
year's
property
tax
I,
don't
know
how
that
works
out,
but
I
missed
is
one.
Can
you
touch
bases
on
that,
because.
H
B
J
J
H
J
Significant
amount
of
work
definitely
worth
doing
it's
just
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
how
we
we
just
need
to
plan
on
how
we
go
about
doing
that
and
then
figuring
out
the
billing
side
of
it
like
we
talked
about
so,
and
maybe
wolberg
could
help
us
with
that
in
terms
of
cash
flow.
In
terms
of
how
we
can
do
that,
if
we
bill
I,
don't
know
if
we
bill
for
half
of
a
year
monthly
and
then
the
rest
of
the
year
it
comes
through.
J
A
B
J
B
A
B
E
B
J
B
Okay,
the
key
thing
is
again:
12
31.,
I
I
want
all
13
members
to
be
able
to
say
I'm
for
this
or
I'm
against
this,
but
I
know
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
on
the
issue
doesn't
make
sense
when
we
just
don't,
we
got
revenue
out
there.
Some
of
it
is
little
hanging
fruit
and
we
didn't
take
the
action
step
to
pull
in.
J
You
know
we
all.
We
also
have
a
full
Council
Workshop
when
we
present
the
draft
budget,
so
we
could
present
the
stormwater
draft
budget
and
the
the
general
fund
Enterprise
fund
budget
at
the
same
time
and
have
that
conversation
in
a
full,
Council
Workshop
as
well,
and
then
bring
it
in
December
for
approval.
Whatever.