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From YouTube: City of Charleston Committee on Real Estate 9/13/2021
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City of Charleston Committee on Real Estate 9/13/2021
A
A
C
B
Song
all
right,
we're
gonna
go
into
this
meeting,
except
for
this
college
football
rhetoric.
I'm
gonna
call
the
order.
The
real
estate
committee
meeting
of
september
13
councilmember
wearing,
if
you
would
do
the
honors
of
leading
us
either
a
prayer
or
a
moment
of
silence,.
A
A
We
pray
for
our
our
state
and
this
city
that
our
leadership
will
bring
the
best
efforts
and
best
practices
on
behalf
of
the
citizens
that
we
have
the
pleasure
serving.
We
pray
for
our
staff
because
without
them,
frankly,
it
doesn't
happen.
We
pray
for
the
less
fortunate
and
hopefully
use
our
talents
for
them
to
see
better
days
and
we
pray
for
those
who
are
fighting
for
america
near
and
far
and
embrace
their
families
as
they
seek
to
defend
democracy.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
That
was
a
well
thought
out,
beginning
to
our
real
estate
meeting.
We
have
minutes
from
the
august
16th
meeting
I'll,
intend
a
motion
to
approve.
B
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposers,
have
it
item
a
is
request
for
approval
to
amend
the
parking
lease
agreement
with
the
meeting
street
academy
at
charlie
bar
parking
lot
to
decrease
the
total
these
spaces
to
15
from
32.,
and
I'm
just
going
to
roscoe.
You
could
take
on
this
one
or
matt
you're
taking
on
this.
C
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
just
curious:
are
they
going
to
use
the
extra
space
fan
and
usually
parking
is
a
you
know,
premium.
C
D
B
B
B
Okay
and
robert,
I
think
you
can
fill
in
for
eric.
Can
you
give
us
a
presentation
on
this,
sir?
Is
that
correct.
E
Yes,
sir
julian
and
I
are
going
to
tag
team,
this
I'm
going
to
give
a
just
a
real,
quick
table,
setting
on
on
the
location,
remind
everybody
where
it's
at
and
and
what
the
the
project
is,
and
then
she
will
go
through
some
more
specific
details
on
the
mou.
E
So
again,
this
project
has
been
a
couple
years.
I
think
completely
when
you
look
at
the
beginning
of
this
work
that
has
been
underway
always
have
to
throw
that
asterisk
about
the
the
2020
coveted
year
in
there
slowing
everything
down,
but
even
during
with
all
that
going
on,
there
was
work
done
here.
The
rfp
had
gone
out.
The
rfp
requested
a
proposal
for
the
site.
We
did
get
one
request
or
one
response
back.
That
response
was
meeting
the
objectives
of
the
city.
E
With
that
request,
as
a
part
of
the
conversation,
there
were
a
couple
different
iterations
on
how
the
the
site
might
be
developed,
the
one
that
came
out
as
meeting
the
the
the
most
of
the
interest
on
what
we
could
do
with
this
site
was
the
the
version
is
called
the
sam
rittenberg
option.
This
one
puts
the
contextual
facing
of
the
site
more
on
sam
ritt
versus
on
old
town
road,
but
includes
elements
that
are
on
in
service
from
old
town
road
as
well
with
the
linear
part.
E
I'm
an
enhanced
streetscaping
on
that
side,
some
of
the
the
visual
preference
information
that
helped
facilitate
that
design
concept
that
will
be
going
into
the
next
level
again
trying
to
work
within
more
urban
contexts,
including
additional
civic,
because
this
will
include
a
substantial
civic
component
to
the
development
civic
space,
as
well
as
a
nice
linear
park.
Elements
on
enhanced
landscaping.
E
This
project,
when
it
went
out
for
the
rfp,
called
for
approximately
60
000
square
feet
of
developed
space
of
of
which
20
000
of
that
would
be
for
civic
functions.
That
would
include
some
office
space,
as
well
as
a
community
gathering
space,
with
the
remainder
being
divided
between
more
heavily
into
the
office
use
with
a
portion
being
available
for
retail
or
restaurant.
E
Under
the
mou
it
there
has
been
some
shift
in
that,
based
on
market
conditions,
the
civic
space
will
continue
or
the
community
space
will
continue
to
be
the
same
amount
at
twenty
thousand
square
feet,
which
will
include
about
eight
thousand
square
feet
of
potential
ex
annex
or
accessory
city
office
space.
E
If
you
would,
as
well
as
twelve
thousand
square
feet
of
gathering
and
civic
space,
the
market
office
space
has
gone
down
to
twelve
thousand
square
feet,
but
additional
space
for
retail
and
restaurant
has
gone
up
from
what
it
was
originally
in.
The
rfp,
with
a
total
build
out
currently
expected
to
be
somewhere
in
the
50
000
square
foot
range,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
julia
who
will
go
through
some
more
specific
language
and
details
that
are
in
the
mou.
That's
before
you
this
afternoon,.
B
Thank
you
for
that.
Robert
appreciate
the
quick
that
was
a
very
quick
thumbnail
coverings
about
five
years
worth
of
work
on
on
this
project.
E
Absolutely-
and
I
would
be
remiss
the
eric
did
a
great
job
of
reviewing
all
of
that
material
at
the
west
ashley
revitalization
commission
meeting
last
week
as
well.
So
all
of
that
information
is
available.
There.
F
Good
afternoon,
so
I'm
gonna
hear
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
details
of
the
mou
robert
stole
a
little
bit
of
my
thunder
here
with
the
square
footage
starting
out
here,
but
I
did
want
to
point
out
one
thing
specifically,
as
we
start
talking
about
the
terms
of
the
mou,
so
the
12
000
and
8
000
square
feet
dedicated
to
civic
and
office.
F
Space
will
be
referred
to
as
the
city,
property
or
the
city
project
and
then
the
12
000
of
privately
leased
office
space,
as
well
as
the
18
000
square
feet
of
retail
restaurant.
That
will
be
considered
or
called
the
landmark
project
for
property
as
we
go
through
this.
So
the
intent
of
this
mou
really
is
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
do
a
lot
of
ground
work
to
do
so.
The
intent
of
this
mou
is
to
allow
this
process
to
proceed
in
earnest,
we're
going
to
try
and
work
out
a
budget.
F
The
scope
well
really
landmarks
going
to
be
trying
to
work
out
the
budget,
the
scope
of
work
and
the
schedule,
and
we're
also
simultaneously
going
to
be
working
toward
the
language
of
the
development
agreement.
As
well
as
a
commercial
ground
lease,
so
what's
going
to
happen
during
this
term,
so
landmark
has
agreed
to
proceed
immediately
with
the
initial
planning
cost
and
analysis
work
which
we're
going
to
be
calling
the
first
phase
with
a
deadline
or
an
anticipated
deadline
of
may
1st
2022.
F
So
that's
about
seven
months
roughly
and
exhibit
a
for
this
first
phase
will
comprise
all
of
these
things.
F
This
is
what
landmark
is
going
to
be
working
toward
gathering
on
this
property
for
this
drop
dead
or
deadline
of
may
1st
2022.,
it's
programming,
preliminary
design,
geotech
testing
environmental
phase,
testing
they're
going
to
carry
this
through
any
bza
zoning
variants
processes,
the
trc
application
they're
going
to
work
on
color
renderings
for
us,
landscape
architecture,
schematic
design
plans
and
work
toward
a
35
to
40
percent
completion
of
a
development
plan
they're
also
going
to
carry
it
through
drb
conceptual
approval
get
together
pricing
package
which,
ultimately,
what
they
will
present
to
us,
is
going
to
be
this
guaranteed
maximum
price
cost
proposal.
F
F
If
not,
here
are
two
other
options:
oops,
sorry
that
could
terminate
this
mou
at
the
end
of
30
days
or
extended.
We
cannot
agree
to
the
guaranteed
maximum
price
contract
during
that
review
period
or
we
can't
agree
to
the
ground
lease
or
the
development
agreement
by
approximately
march
14
2023.
So
the
distinction
there
is.
We
can't
come
to
any
agreement
on
anything
in
the
first
round
here
or
we
can
agree
on
the
contract.
But
we
can't
come
to
an
agreement
on
the
ground
lease
of
the
development
agreement
within
18
months
after
that.
F
So
at
that
point
by
march,
14
2023
either
party
could
terminate
this
agreement
with
90
days
notice
and
walk
away.
So
what
happens
if
it
doesn't?
If
we
can't
come
to
an
agreement
and
everything
does
fall
apart.
So
this
is
where
we
talk
about
eligible
expenses
in
the
mou.
It
talks
about
the
eligible
expenses
up
to
683
500.
F
That
is
a
capped
amount.
That
landmark
will
commit
to
spending
up
front
toward
the
first
phase
of
this
work
through
the
amount
can
be
increased,
but
only
by
a
ratification
of
counsel.
F
What
are
eligible
expenses
they're
documented
out-of-pocket,
third-party
future
expenses
incurred
by
landmark,
the
only
way
these
things
can
get
spent
or
the
any
any.
The
only
way
that
these
expenses
can
be
incurred
by
landmark
is
if
they
submit
the
contract
to
the
mayor,
the
mayor
or
a
designated
staff
member
reviews
them
within
30
days
and
deems
them
approved,
or
we
fail
to
respond
within
30
days
and
they
are
deemed
approved.
F
F
So
what
do
we
get
from
those
expenses?
If
we
do
fall
apart,
we
can't
come
to
an
agreement
with
landmark
at
the
end
of
the
agreement
and
upon
payment.
We
will
be
getting
the
results
of
exhibit
a
all
the
costs
and
planning
analysis.
Work
will
be
assigned
to
the
city
within
15
days
of
payment.
F
So
let's
talk
about
the
key
terms
of
the
development
agreement
as
we
move
forward.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
try
to
work
out
in
good
faith
with
landmark
as
we
proceed
through.
All
of
these
other
things
landmark
will
manage
the
turnkey
construction
of
the
project.
The
project
we
will.
The
project
will
be
constructed
in
accordance
with
a
final
approved
plan
and
they'll,
be
working
in
direct
consult
with
the
city's
designated
project
manager.
F
The
parties
will
come
to
a
mutually
agreeable
defined
timeline
to
finish
the
project
and
that
will
be
stated
in
the
development
agreement
as
well.
F
Landmark
will
be
responsible
for
all
the
costs
for
designing
construction
of
their
portion
of
that
project.
The
landmark
project,
whereas
the
city
will
be
responsible
for
all
costs
and
design
all
costs
to
design
and
construct
the
city
side,
and
that
will
be
subject
to
the
guaranteed
maximum
price
as
well.
F
So
if
there
are
any
savings,
those
will
be
taken
in
by
the
city,
so
in
exchange
for
landmark
doing
all
this
groundwork,
we'll
be
providing
to
them
for
their
their
landmark
project
portion
only
a
ground
lease
for
99
years
on
an
absolute
net
basis
with
an
annual
base
rent
of
ten
dollars.
F
The
city
will
issue
west
ashley,
tiff
revenue
bonds
in
an
amount
sufficient
to
finance
the
reasonable
development
costs
necessary
to
design
and
construct
our
portion
of
the
project.
The
city
project
landmark
will
utilize
the
goals
of
the
city's
minority
business
enterprise
program
and,
finally,
the
city
will
provide
for
step
in
and
cure
rights
together
with
other
reasonable
rights
or
assurances
as
a
reasonably
required
by
landmark's
lender
to
allow
for
the
financing
of
landmarks
construction
of
the
project
as
they
move
forward.
F
B
B
Okay,
all
right,
we'll
open
it
up
for
discussion.
Anybody
want
to
start
talking
about
it.
A
I
see
you
coaxing
me
out,
I'm
not
coaxing
y'all,
but
I
don't,
but
I
am
going
to
speak
about
it.
I'm
not
going
to
speak
about
it
at
length.
At
this
meeting,
I'm
going
to
see
the
majority
of
my
comments
from
ways
and
means
and
city
council
tomorrow,
I'm
against
this.
A
This
is
a
when
we
originally
bought
this
property.
It
was
to
stop
a
sunoco
20-pump
gas
station
from
coming.
The
tiff.
That's
in
place
was
originally
done
by
mayor
raleigh
and
steve
badard
and
charlton
destined
that
was
voted
on
and
by
this
administration.
A
This
is
the
first
tif
that
was
ever
done
in
west
ashland,
and
I
I
think
we
are.
I
don't
know
if
amy's
on
the
call
or
not,
but
I
think
we're
four
years-
maybe
hit
it
five
years
into
this
tif,
but
relatively
no
money
into
it.
A
If
you
look
at
the
early
history
of
this
tif,
the
revenue
coming
into
the
tif
has
been
non-existent,
and
that's
because
we
haven't
done
a
good
job
as
far
as
recruiting
and
trying
to
talk
up
the
advantages
of
businesses
locating
in
the
footprint
at
that
tif,
the
civic
center.
A
You
know
we
never
really
voted
on
that
as
a
council.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
not
been
a
lot
of
previous
council
or
this
council.
That's
one
reason
I
asked
for
a
presentation
to
be
made
to
this
council
because
we
probably
have
four
members
of
council
that
never
saw
the
initial
drawings,
so
I
suspect
this
will
move
forward,
but
I
think
99
years
at
10
a
year,
the
city
paid
a
premium
for
this
property.
A
Some
members
wanted
to
give
the
mayor
the
power
of
eminent
domain
as
a
negotiating
tool
with
faison.
I
believe
was
the
group
that
owned
the
property
at
the
time,
even
with
that
we
ended
up
paying
a
premium.
I
think
the
property
appraised
in
the
high
twos,
maybe
2.7,
maybe
2.8-
I
don't
know,
I'm
sure
we
have
the
appraisal
around
there
somewhere
and
we
played
played
north
of
three
million
for
it
and
to
take
it
out
of
the
tiff.
A
If
you
look
at
what's
been
so
successful
on
the
peninsula,
if
you
take
away
the
tiffs
off
that
peninsula,
I'd
like
in
the
charleston
place
wouldn't
have
been
developed
without
the
tiff
waterfront
park
would
not
have
been
developed
without
the
concord
street
tiff.
Some
people
call
it.
The
waterfront
tip
look
at
the
king
street
tiff.
Today
the
revenue
that's
generating
out
of.
C
A
A
Wes
ashley
and
we
symbolically
will
be
taking
one
of
the
highest
locations
out
of
the
tiff
and
financially.
It
makes
no
sense
so
anyway,
I'm
a
vote.
Knowing
this,
I
suspect,
I'll
go
for
it,
but
I'll
have
more
to
say
it
weighs
the
means
in
in
council.
Tomorrow.
B
Thank
you
councilman,
so
the
history
of
this
and
not
to
repeat
some
of
what
councilman
warren
has
been
addressing
is
that
we
we
did
address
this
early
on
the
mayor
and
I
were
working
on
this
back
in
2016..
B
This
was
a
contentious
issue
regarding
that
when
piggly
wiggly
closed
down
and
it
became
a
vacant
lot,
it
was
in
private
hands
and
there
was
a
proposal
by
sudoku
to
build
a
20-pound
gas
station
at
this
location,
and
I
must
tell
you
that
it
was
early
on
in
my
career
being
on
city
council,
and
I
was
just
impressed
by
the
sheer
support
that
I
received
and
the
community
received
from
everybody
in
within
my
district
and
outside
of
my
district
to
oppose
that
proposal.
B
My
predecessor,
councilmember
rb
alexander,
was
present
and
even
before
him
councilman
tinkler.
I
think
councilman
waring
and
I
think
councilmember,
I'm
trying
to
remember
the
other
council
members
who
were
actually
folks
who
showed
up
and
there
was
a
huge
contingent
folks
and
because
of
that,
the
drb
denied
the
the
application
that
we
knew
quite
frankly,
that
we
would
be
fighting
that
battle
for
quite
some
time
and
the
decision
was
made
by
the
city
to
go
out
and
purchase
it
and
they
wanted
to
sell
the
property
for
us.
B
I
think
for
four
million
dollars
using
a
as
a
a
comparable
property,
something
about
pleasant
that
was
totally
out
of
whack
with
what
we
were
trying
to
purchase,
but
we
did
buy
it
and
we
got
control
over
it.
And
this
process
began
early
on
as
to
what
we're
going
to
do
with
this
property.
And
what
was
impressive
with
me
was
the
amount
of
public
input
that
we
threw
out
there
and
asked
the
public
to
share
with
us
their
visions
for
this
project.
B
And
that's
what
we
see
right
now
and
I
think
the
only
way
we
can
maintain
control
over
this
is
for
the
city
to
own
it.
But
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
the
option
of
not
selling
the
landmark
portion
to
landmark
after
we
get
this
thing
off
the
ground.
So
this
is
just
the
first
stage
of
this
project.
In
order
for
us
to
go
forward
sort
of
like
you
know,
how
do
you
eat
an
elephant
just
one
bite
at
a
time
and
that's
what
we're
doing
with
this
right
now.
B
I
would
encourage
and
ask
the
support
of
my
other
colleagues
on
this
committee.
I'm
sure
we'll
have
a
let's
catch
more
and
send
a
spirited
debate
tomorrow
in
front
of
ways
and
means
we'll
fully
vested
some
more
then,
unless
there's
any
further
discussion
on
this,
I've
asked
that
would
call
the
vote.
D
Mr
chairman,
I'd
I'd
just
like
to
share
a
couple
of
comments
and
one
of
which,
as
noted,
this
is
in
a
in
our
west
ashley
tiff
district
in
in
one
of
the
I
guess
original
or
one
of
the
many
conditions
of
of
a
tif
district
is
the
goal
to
convert
so-called
blighted
areas,
and
I
think
the
dead
pig
that
description
and,
as
you
mentioned,
mr
chairman,
the
the
the
portion
of
the
property
that
will
be
developed
as
as
julie,
you
call
it.
The
landmark
portion
will
be
privately
invested.
D
Those
dollars
will
go
on
the
tax,
roll
and
they'll
be
paying
property
taxes,
so
it
will,
in
fact
you
know,
add
to
our
tiff
revenue
over
time.
Now,
admittedly,
the
city
portion
will
not,
but
I
I
guess
part
of
the
process
we
went
through
engaging
the
public
was
that
they
would
love
to
see
more
of
a
presence
of
the
city
of
charleston
west
of
the
ashley.
D
You
know
more
than
half
of
our
population
lives
over
there
now
and
to
have
a
convenient
location
to
have
offices
for
for
appropriate
city
staff
over
there,
and
there
are
other
future
facilities.
I
think
we
need
west
ashley,
so
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
have
a
city
more
substantial
city
presence,
west
ashley.
This
is
a
ideal
location
for
it.
So
council
members
wearing
this
correct,
we
we
wouldn't
be
gaining
any
property
tax
revenue
from
those
city
facilities,
but
but
that
would
be
true
anywhere.
D
We
put
a
facility
west
ashley.
So
I'd
also
point
out,
even
though
the
square
footage
numbers
well,
they
could
change
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
it's
roughly,
I
guess
40
city
and
60
percent
to
the
private
side
of
the
parking
we
will
have
to
work
that
out
in
the
arrangement
you
know
we'll.
The
way
it
looks
on
the
on
the
diagram
is
is
like
the
the
parking
looks
like
it
goes
more
on
the
private
side,
but
we
we've
got
to
share
the
parking
requirement
as
well
for
our
civic
building.
D
So
you
know
how
much
of
the
value
of
of
the
land
you
know
would
have
generated
in
taxes
versus
making
this
redevelopment
occur,
and
I
would
just
add
to
that
that
you
know
the
the
public
some
of
the
com.
D
Public
comments
also
wanted
to
see
some
green
space
and
a
gathering
place
where
we
could
have
a
farmer's
market
or
a
small
part,
and
the
greeting
feature
will
provide
some
of
that
along
with
the
space
you
know
envisioned
behind
the
city
facility,
where,
in
addition
to
a
meeting
room
inside
we
could,
we
could
have
a
esplanade,
a
open
space
behind
the
building
that
would
allow
for
community
gatherings
and
small
piccolo
or
moja
events,
so
it
could
be
very
flexible
and
a
a
great
benefit
value
to
to
our
whole
city,
not
just
west
of
the
ashley.
D
A
Well,
let
me
let
me
address
one
thing,
mr
mayor,
you
said
that
it
doesn't
matter
where
the
city
locates
this
the
tax
revenue
will
be
lost.
A
We
got
another
area,
that's
got
a
lot
of
space
that
I'm
sure
we
can
negotiate
some
very
cheap
rents
on
and
that's
down
at
the
epic
center
on
citadel
mall
trying
to
help
revitalize
that
to
have
a
civic
space
there.
We
probably
would
get
a
low
market
rent
on
it,
and
you
know
what
that
would
still
be
on
the
tax
rules
which
enable
this
entire
site
to
be
able
to.
We
still
can
put
green
space
there
and
always
then
we
can't
put
the
green
space
there
or
beautify.
A
Certainly,
I
do
want
a
wild
effect
coming
into
the
gateway.
I
still
call
it
the
gateway
where
it's
actually
coming
from
the
north
bridge.
That
would
help
anytime
you
create
foot
traffic
in
the
mall.
It
helps
to
bring
that
back,
that's
the
equivalent
of
our
town
center
and
we're
not
doing
anything
there.
A
You
know
we're
taking
property
potentially
off
the
tax
rule
and
have
kept
it
off
the
tax
rule
and
I
believe
the
civic
center
is
the
primary
reason,
basically
because
it
never
was
voted
on
by
council,
the
previous
council
nor
this
council,
because
I
think
you
and
mr
chairman
knows
it
was
a
a
hot
potato
right
now
there
is
no
money
to
bond
to
build
that
out
of
the
tif
there's
not
enough
revenue
in
that
tif
to
bond
it.
Okay,
so
is
the
developer
going
to
pay
for
this?
A
A
Mr
mayor,
I
and
mr
chim,
I
think,
there's
a
better
deal
right
there
to
be
me
and
I
think
one
of
the
worst
things
can
happen
for
all
of
us.
West
sessions
I
was
born
and
reared
is
for
us
to
get
into
us
against
them
and
that's
what's
happening
on
us
again,
us
against
them,
meaning
us
who
would
like
to
see
this
come
back.
A
beautiful
spot
back
on
the
tactual
to
put
money
into
the
tiff
we're
behind
in
that
tif.
A
Already
five
years
of
the
life
of
the
tiff,
has
basically
gone
without
generating
any
revenue,
hopefully
trying
to
help
by
city
efforts
too.
I
went
in
the
mall
not
too
long
ago
and
I
was
surprised
at
how
many
places
are
boarded
up
in
the
mall.
You
know
when
the
city
put
first
effort,
and
you
were
part
of
it,
mr
mayor,
when
it
when
charleston
place
was
developed,
it
was
an
all-out
effort
to
try
to
take
that
blighted
piece
of
property
vacant
lot
and
turn
it
into
what
it
is.
A
Today,
the
you
know
charleston
place
as
we
know
it.
Today
we
didn't
keep
a
piece
of
property
for
civic
centers
over
there
at
charleston
place.
We
know
what
to
do
and
the
right
way
to
do
it
and
it's
not
taking
40
percent
of
it
of
a
high
profile
location,
keeping
it
off.
The
tax
rolls
forever.
A
B
Well,
thank
you
for
those
thoughts
both
from
the
mayor
and
from
the
from
councilwoman
wearing,
but
we
have.
We
have
been
very
transparent
with
this
project.
From
the
very
beginning,
we've
opened
it
up
to
the
public
for
their
input
and
comments.
We
did
submit
this
to
the
full
council
back
in.
I
think
it's
2019..
B
We
didn't
vote
on
it
as
a
testimony
just
pointed
out,
but
we
did
present
it
to
them,
and
we'd
have
made
this
available
to
the
new
council
members
and
I
think
three
out
of
the
four
new
elected
council
members
who
weren't
part
of
that
presentation
initially
have
joined
in
to
some
point
to
review
this
project.
It's
been
presented
a
revitalization
commission
as
recently
as
last
last
week
and
I
reached
out
to
all
four
council
members
to
get
their
input
and
talk
to
them
about
it.
B
So
anyhow,
I
think
that
we
will
talk
about
this
some
more
tomorrow
within
24
hours,
and
I
appreciate
the
thoughts
on
this.
If
there's
any
other
discussions,
I'll
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
a
proven
item
b,
signify
by
saying
aye.
B
All
right,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
that
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
other
items
on
the
agenda
item
c,
we'll
call
on
julia
copeland.
This
is
an
ordinance
to
amend
chapter
54
of
the
code,
the
zoning
ordinance
article,
not
on
administration
and
enforcement.
Do
you
want
to
give
us
some
background
on
this?
Please
ma'am.
F
Sure
so
this
is,
this
came
out
of
the
recent
settlement
with
grambling
brothers.
Part
of
their
contention
was
the
ambiguity
of
our
zoning
code
as
it
relates
to
when
you
apply
for
an
extension
of
your
rest
right.
So
I
sat
down
with
lee
batch
helder,
arizona
administrator,
and
this
is
the
result
of
that
meeting.
Basically,
we've
added
an
entire
provision
in
here
about
extensions
of
vesting
periods
and
limitations
and
specifically
spell
out
when
you
need
to
apply
for
your
extension
and
how
they'll
be
considered
and
voted
on.
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
julia
for
putting
this
together
and
I'm
having
flashbacks
to
when
we
used
to
talk
about
vested
rights
all
the
time
over
at
the
mount
pleasant.
Yes,
you
know,
there's
there's
actually
a
surprising
amount
of
ambiguity
over
this
whole
practice
in
south
carolina,
and
I
certainly
think
that
what
I
perceive
to
be
the
main
intent
behind
this
ordinance.
You
know
confirming
that
the
application
has
to
be
in
before
it's
expired,
that's
all
handled
wonderfully
candidly.
H
I
think
that
that
was
assumed
in
in
the
in
the
ordinance,
and
we
probably
would
have
won
that
99
times
out
of
100,
but
be
that
as
a
bank.
The
thing
that
I
you
know
keep
struggling
with
and
continue
to
struggle
with
in
this
whole
area
is
what
is
actually
meant
by.
You
know.
H
H
If
there
have
been
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
that
would
prohibit
approval.
It's
always
been
an
uncertain
question
in
my
mind
as
to
whether
or
not
that
means
substantive
changes
to
the
actual
ordinances
themselves
or
if
it
means
specific
language
in
a
zoning
amendment
precluding
the
ability
to
apply
for
and
obtain
the
annual
extensions.
H
I've
always
thought
it's
the
latter,
because,
with
the
former,
the
whole
point
of
vesting
is
to
preclude
the
application
of
subsequently
enacted
regulations
to
a
project.
That's
already
been
approved,
and
I
just
want
to
flag
that
I
mean
lord
knows.
Maybe
this
is
something
better
to
talk
about.
You
know
privately,
so
we
don't
put
everybody
on
the
zoom
goal
to
sleep,
but
I
just
want
to
point
out
in
the
interest
of
us
avoiding
potential
future
litigation
over
these
issues.
I've
been
there
before
over
these
same
issues.
H
B
Thank
you
thanks
for
those
comments,
councilmember
pal-
and
you
know
I
don't
do
in
my
practice-
a
whole
lot
of
development
work.
My
real
estate
work
was
limited
to
closings,
but
this
idea
of
vested
whites
is
really
a
critical
part.
I
do
understand
that
part
of
it
and
it's
the
definition
of
that
when
that
kicks
in
is
something
that
would
cause
all
kind
of
litigation
issues,
and
I
know
youtube
on
my
screen.
One
to
the
right
left.
B
I've
been
mirrored
in
that
kind
of
controversy
before
so,
hopefully,
this
this
cuts
that
off
at
the
knees.
So
it
clarifies
this
ordinance
and
we
avoid
those
issues
coming
back
out.
So
any
further
councilmember
jackson
get
your
hand
up.
Yes,
ma'am.
C
Thank
you
yeah.
I
I'm
definitely
ready
to
vote
to
adopt
this
amendment
because
it
does
answer
the
timing
question
which
I've
set
in
on
planning
commission,
often
enough
to
understand
that
that
is
murky.
But
I
would
join
my
colleague,
councilmember
appel
and
saying
that
maybe
there
are
some
other
clarifications
that
we
should
be
making.
C
I
think
the
state
law
is
intentionally
vague
and
that's
not
a
good
way
of
charleston
doing
business.
We
we
have
too
many
new
new
developers
coming
here
for
the
first
time
I
this
is
not
a
sleepy
town
where
everybody
knows
everybody,
and
we
all
know
what
we
mean
by
our
laws.
So
I
think
as
much
as
we
can
clarify
these
very
critical
parts
of
a
development
process
that
we
would
be
doing
all
of
ourselves,
a
a
good
turn
to
do
that.
C
B
Yes,
all
right,
I'm
ready
to
call
the
questions
lessons
other
discussions
or
issues
all
those
in
favor
of
approval
of
item
certified
by
saying
yes,
hi,
okay,
hi
hi.
Any
news
guys
have
it
all
right.
Item
d
is
a
request
for
a
little
of
the
festival
hall
and
about
three
thousand
dollars
for
the
mojo
arts
festival
for
october,
the
8th,
9th
and
10th
I'll.
B
Somebody
anybody
thank
you
all
right.
Any
further
discussion
on
item
d,
I
cnn
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye,
aye
aye
any
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
item
is
request
for
authorization
for
the
man
execute
on
behalf
of
the
city,
the
second
amendment
for
the
transfer
agreement
between
the
city
and
jjr
development
for
the
properties
of
67
america
street,
also
known
as
one
father's
grant
court
and
three
father
grants
court
by
father,
grant's
court
and
seven
father
grant's
court
as
part
of
the
transaction.
B
G
Yes,
sir,
I
can
share
and
then
defer
to
chip
mcqueen
to
add
any
additional
information
chair
shaheed.
We
are
asking
for
approval
of
this
amendment
to
allow
for
us
to
approve
the
subdivided
lots
that
will
enable
this
developer
to
build
the
six
single
family
developments
that
we
propose
to
council
not
long
ago,
when
we
initially
presented
this
to
you
all.
We
had
it
at
67
america
street
thinking
that
encompassed
the
entirety
of
the
lot
and
it,
and
it
has
since
been
subdivided.
So
that
is
why
the
amendment
is
before
you.
G
B
B
B
Right
we're
all
we're
back
home.
Okay,
all
right
item
f
is
a
request
for
authorization,
for
the
man
execute
the
first
amendment
to
the
memorandum
of
agreement
with
palmetto
railways
in
the
south
carolina
department
of
commerce
and
the
ports
authority.
The
navy
navy-based
inter-marginal
facility
and
I
think
chip
mcqueen,
is
available
to
lead
a
discussion
on
this.
For
us,
mr
mcqueen,
are
you
there
or?
Yes?
Yes,.
I
Yes,
sir-
and
this
is
city-owned
property
known
commonly
known
as
the
wr
grace
site
city
council
previously
approved
this-
I
think
in
march
it
was
a
moa
that
was
subject
to
a
budget
proviso
or
not
a
budget
proviso.
A
economic
development
bond
being
funded
for
the
development
of
the
navy
base.
I
Intermodal
transfer
facility
project
and
the
general
assembly
chose
to
fund
the
project
a
different
way
through
general
appropriations,
and
basically
the
amendment
just
eliminates
the
condition
that
it
be
funded
to
the
economic
development
bond
and
substitutes
it
with
the
general
appropriations
provision,
which
has
already
been
passed.
It's
goes
back
to
july,
1st
2021,
because
that's
when
that
was
adopted,
which
is
why
the
languages
change,
but
it
essentially
it
begins
the
process
of
transferring
2.53
acres
of
the
wr
grace
site
to
the
south.
I
I
think
4.9,
roughly
million,
has
to
be
used
for
mitigation
due
to
the
traffic
issues
that
will
arise
because
of
the
new
location
of
the
of
the
railway,
and
we
have
very,
very
high
discretion
that
the
rest
we
have
discretion
to
use
it
for
mitigation
of
impacts
or
for
replacement
facilities
of
what
was
going
to
be
built
on
the
wr
grace
site.
I
I
did,
I
think,
the
that
other
property
came
up
last
meeting
and
I
was
not
involved
in
the
first
sale
agreement
for
that,
but
I
did
contact
amy
last
week
about
you
know
the
wr
grace
site
and
how
much
space
it
has,
and
my
understanding
for
maybe
is
we're
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
much
space
we
need
for
public
work.
The
new
public
works
facility,
a
fire
training
facility
and
a
fleet
facility
for
our
police
department,
the
wr
grace
site,
as
constituted
it's
roughly
16
acres.
I
That
would
not
be
enough
property,
so
selling
the
2.53
acres
is
not
going
to
turn
it
from
usable
to
unusable.
You
would
probably
have
to
do
one
of
those
three
on
this
site
and
then
acquire
a
different
site
wherever
that
may
be
for
the
other
two
items,
so
we
do
not
have
specifics.
My
understanding
is,
I
think,
edmund
most
may
be
in
charge
of
a
study
to
determine
how
much
exact
acreage
we
need,
but
she
she
indicated
it
was.
This
was
the
amount
of
acres
we
need
is
well
above
what
the
wrk
site
would
provide.
B
B
And
we're
getting
11.5
million
and
of
that
four
and
a
half
have
to
be
used
for
mitigation.
And
what
exactly
are
we
mitigating
when
we,
with
that
4.5
billion.
I
It
would
essentially
be
traffic
improvements
that
that
would
and
we've
gotten
a
traffic
study
done.
They've
gotten
a
traffic
study
done.
So
we
have
a
list
of
improvements.
We
don't
have
to
decide
what
those
improvements
are
now
we
just
have
to
use.
I
think
it's
4.9
million
for
traffic
and
other
mitigation
from
the
you
know.
Anyone
who's
ever
lived
in
colombia.
I
don't
know
where
you
would
law
school
or
other
people
did,
but
for
issues
related
to
the
new
training
line.
I
It
creates
issues,
but
the
rest
we
they're,
not
they
don't
go
into
the
general
fund
necessarily,
but
we
we
can
use
them
for
replacement
facilities
of
what
would
have
gone
on
the
wr
grace
site,
construction
acquisition
whatever
or
we
can
use
it
for
additional
mitigation
traffic
mitigation.
B
For
the
clarification
I
I'm
I
just
I'm
going
to
try
it
with
you.
Thanks
did
we
move
to
approve
vitamins.
D
So
chip,
if
I
may
ask
you
it
says
here,
subject
to
appropriation
of
funds
towards
the
nbif,
has
has
what
the
legislature
already
done
satisfy
that
requirement.
I
It
has
and
I've
talked
to
randy
lowell,
the
attorney
for
the
ports
authority.
The
language
is
worded
that
way
for
account.
I
didn't
really
delve
into
it,
but
it's
accounting
accounting
issues
for
them.
They
want
to
make
sure
it's
effective
july,
1st
2021,
for
whatever
reason
I
I
don't
foresee
any
problem
with
that
from
our
end,
so
but
that
condition
is
already
triggered.
So
that's
already
been
satisfied.
D
Gotcha
so,
and-
and
I
want
to
just
add
to
what
chip
mentioned
regarding
the
mitigation
for
the
traffic
we
had,
jennifer
beal
do
a
study
up
there
that
recommended
some
specific
improvements
to
intersections
and
also
to
provide
another
crossing
over
the
main
railroad
tracks
between
median
and
king
street.
D
Blocking
meeting
street
that
you
would
have
another
option
or
two
to
just
swap
over
to
king
street
and
and
go
around
it
so
to
speak,
because
when
that
rail
line
crosses
meeting
street,
it
will
then
follow
the
main
line
that
goes
up
between
meeting
and
king.
It
will
not
cross
king
so
adding
some
more
flexibility
to
allow
cars
to
to
get
around
the
rail
if
you
will
will
really
help
mobility
up
there
long
term.
So
this
was
a
negotiation
that
had
gone
on
with
the
state.
D
For
a
long
time
when
we
were
dealing
with
the
department
of
commerce,
they
were
stuck
on
4
million
and
and
back
then
they
knew
they
needed
some
of
our
property
at
wr
grace
when
the,
when
the
port
authority
really
put
this
thing
in
high
gear
to
try
and
move
it
forward
and
and
take
charge,
we
were
able
to
negotiate
a
much
better
number
so
to
speak,
to
to
compensate
for
all
this,
because
some
of
these
things
are
going
to
be
a
little
expensive,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
their
hard
work
on
it
and
then
just
just
to
add
that
there's
always
some
unknowns.
D
Some
of
those
improvements
might
get
picked
up
by
the
low
country
rapid
transit,
which
the
latest
the
latest
I
saw
is
going
to
come
down
meeting
street
and
then
cross
over
to
king
and
almost
back
over.
So
to
the
extent
we
can
get
any
of
those
traffic
mitigation
improvements
done
along
with
the
low
country.
Rapid
transit
will
certainly
try
to
do
that.
B
Okay,
very
good,
all
right
well
see
no
other
discussions
on
this
matter.
I'll
call
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
approval,
item
f,
simplified
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
any
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
all
right,
very
good
thanks
mom
chip-
and
I
think
that
concludes
that
portion
of
our
agenda.
The
last
item
is
considered
an
annexation
for
2029
ashley
river
road,
and
this
is
in
district,
seven.
B
A
Know
councilman
can
get
me
on
the
draw
on
there.
A
B
All
those
in
favor
of
approving
this
annexation
certified
by
saying
aye
aye
the
oppose
the
eyes.
Haven't
there
be
no
further
business
and
be
355,
so
we
can
jump
into
our
public
works
committee
meeting.