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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Real Estate Meeting 6/21/22
B
C
B
All
right
minutes
are
approved.
The
first
two
items
on
agenda
are
recreation
committee
items,
first
of
which
is
discussion
of
a
pool
waiver
for
rental
pool
space
for
private
swimming
lessons
at
the
w
l
stevens
aquatic
center.
Ms
yarber,
I
see
you
on
the
screen
you'll
be
presenting
this
one
this
afternoon.
D
B
D
Yes,
sir
mayor,
so
we've
we've
used
it
on
the
same
kind
of
fee
structure.
We
set
up
for
any
other
group
that
privately
rents
out
pool
space.
It
would
be
twenty
dollars
an
hour
for
the
use
of
a
lane
and
that's
that's
the
standard
rate
like
when
the
scuba
groups
rent,
pull
space
from
us
or
some
other
group,
privately
rent
space.
D
Well,
depending
on
the
pool,
there
are
deep
end
issues
and
some
of
our
pools
mayor
on
those
lanes
that
probably
would
not
make
a
child
swim
lesson
very
conducive
to
those
conditions,
but
we're
having
two
and
three
lanes
available
at
our
pool
during
that
hour,
so
we'll
definitely
be
able
to
have
more
than
one
swim
lesson
a
lot
of
times.
The
swim
lesson
is
only
30
minutes.
D
An
individual
lesson
with
the
child
taking
on
information
for
an
hour
is,
is
asking
a
lot
for
anyone
so
and,
like
I
said,
we
did
identify
some
time
at
our
james
island
rec
center
pool
as
well
as
also
herbert
hazel.
So
I
was
thankful
that
we
were
able
to
carve
out
a
little
more
time
within
our
our
current
pool
schedule.
For
that.
F
D
G
G
Yep
a
little
scratchy,
but
but
beyond
that,
I
just
want
to
build
on
what
councilmember
gregory
just
brought
up
and
I'm
glad
he
mentioned
it.
So
lori
we're
able
these
parents
are
able
to
find
private
tutors
instructors
for
their
child.
To
take
these
lessons,
I
would
presume
that
those
folks
would
be
available
to
be
hired
out
for
other
instructions
by
the
city
as
well
is.
Are
we
missing
something
here.
D
The
only
part
you're
missing
councilmember
shade
is
that
these
folks
are
probably
working
for
a
higher
hourly
rate
than
what
the
city
of
charleston
pays
and
so
in
order
to
come
and
teach
in
our
program,
it's
only
going
to
be
a
14
and
91
cents,
an
hour
position
as
a
water
safety
instructor,
and
I
suspect
that
some
of
these
private
folks
are
making
north
of
25
an
hour
teaching
private
lessons.
So
it's
really
an
economical
thing.
I
have
open
positions
right
now
for
water
safety
instructors,
and
I
can't
I
got.
G
D
I
I'm
sure
that
city,
council
and
and
the
and
the
hr
committee
will
be
looking
at
those
kinds
of
issues
over
the
next
coming
months.
But
absolutely
there's
folks
out
there
that
can
lifeguard
and
water
safety
instruct,
but
it
becomes
a
matter
of
how
much
money
can
they
make
and
where
can
they
make
the
most
so.
D
D
D
Our
model
has
always
been
on
teaching
group
swim
lessons
where
they
were
very
economical
and
easy
to
handle,
but
because
of
the
way
the
labor
shortage
has
affected
us
this
year,
it's
not
working,
so
I
think
it'll
be
something
we'll
be
looking
at
in
the
future.
We
were
trying
to
pivot
this
summer
to
make
something
happen
for
families.
F
D
D
The
other
part
of
the
job
at
the
city
of
charleston
is
when
you're
not
teaching
a
swim
lesson
and
you're
a
water,
water
safety,
instructor
you're,
also
in
the
lifeguard
chair,
because
you're
qualified
to
lifeguard
as
well,
so
we
we
really
require
our
staff
to
be
able
to
do
a
number
of
things
for
us
and
not
not
everyone
out.
There
wants
that
job.
F
D
Absolutely
I
mean
I
want
to
be
teaching
lessons
right
now,
more
than
anything,
and
I'm
I'm
very
much
looking
to
the
fall
when
when
we
can
get
back
into
the
business
of
teaching
classes
at
a
different
way.
But
yes
can
we
see
if
any
of
these
folks
want
to
come
work
with
us
that
way
and
try
to
offset
costs?
I'm
happy
to
try
to
explore
that.
D
H
Thank
you
ross,
our
chairman
pell
lori.
I
think
you
may
be
aware,
but
you
know
this.
This
is
what
we
do
in
the
after
school
program.
Is
we
we
contract
with
private
vendors,
and
they
we
make
that
we
sign
that
contract
to
them
to
come
into
our
after-school
programs,
and
we
take
a
cut
of
what
they're
doing
these
are
private
vendors,
so
these
folks
are
making
a
substantial
profit
on
on
the
use
of
our
facilities.
H
D
No
sir,
there
is
there'll,
be
a
rental
cost
of
20
to
come
in
and
rent
the
space
to
do
it
we
don't
take.
We
will
not
be
according
to
this
particular
waiver,
though,
will
not
be
taking
a
cut
of
anything
they
charged
the
family,
and
this
was
something
that
we
put
in
place
rather
quickly
here,
as
the
summer
has
started
to
to
unfold.
I
I,
I
really
don't
know
what
each
family
is
going
to
be
paying
each
of
their
instructors.
H
Okay,
just
to
follow
up
to
that,
I
think
the
councilman
greg
gregory
was
maybe
alluding
to
this
is
to
rethink
our
relationship
with
these
vendors
if
we're
allowing
them
to
use
the
facility
to
reduce
rate,
whether
it's
20
bucks
or
what
have
you.
What
we
do
is
try
to
leverage
that
relationship
with
them
and
then
ask
them
to
offer
free
or
even
further
reduced
child
care
services,
whether
it's
swimming
coding
robotics.
Whatever
have
you
at
another
title
one
school
to
offer
those
services
for
free
because
they
are
working
with
us.
H
D
D
So
we
do
those
kinds
of
things
as
well
in
this
particular
relationship,
though
the
city's
not
going
to
have
the
relationship
with
the
private
instructor
for
this
summer,
we're
going
to
have
a
relationship
with
the
parent,
the
parents,
the
one
that's
going
to
reserve
the
reserve
and
pay
for
the
the
lane
usage
for
the
swim
lesson.
So
the
whatever
relationship
between
the
parent,
the
child
and
the
independent-
and
you
know
that
that
teacher
that's
their
own
business
they're,
going
to
pay
the
city
20
bucks
to
rent
that
space.
All
right.
F
D
D
F
F
So
to
me,
it
looks
like
the
person
who's
really
making
out
in
terms
of
dollar
wise
is
the
instructor.
I
mean
they're
they're
using
a
state-of-the-art
facility,
but
for
that
facility
they
wouldn't
have
any
work.
I
mean
there's
no
way
for
just
going
back
to
trying
to
work
something
out
in
the
future,
because
I
just
think
that
there
is
a
way
that
we
may
be
able
to
leverage.
I.
D
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
on
that.
I
think
there's
a
way
in
the
future
to
do
this
completely
differently.
I
think
this
was
a
way
that
we
were
trying
to
to
take
to
take
advantage
of
any
part
of
our
schedule
where
we
had
a
few
hours
that
were
less
less
busy
than
others
and
allow
this
to
occur,
but
yeah
it's.
It
is
running
a
business
in
a
city
pool
and
that's
why
we
passed
it
on
as
a
rental.
D
F
C
I
G
And
so
what
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
to
do.
If
you
can-
and
I
know
time
is
short
but
the
summer
just
got
cranked
out
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
wait
until
next
year,
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
sort
of
to
figure
out
any
kind
of
paid
to
say
scheme,
but
any
type
of
plan
that
we
can
come
up
with
we're
not
talking
about
a
whole
lot
of
money.
G
We
can
find
the
money,
I'm
sure,
there's
something
we
can
find
the
money
for
to
do
to
subsidize
us
pay
them
the
more
money
induce
them
with
the
use
of
the
pool.
What
whatever
you
think
is
appropriate.
I'm
just
trying
to
put
us
back
in
your
lap
a
little
bit
to
see
with.
I
think
we're
giving
you
the
blessing.
Please
go
out
and
try
to
find
out
something.
That's
creative
to
salvage
the
summer
with
the
this
is.
A
G
It's
just
too
important.
This
is
just
we're
talking
about
young
children,
drowning
in
paul
stoney
who's.
A
member
of
our
rotary
club
was
talking
about
the
ymca,
and
you
know
this
is
one
thing
that
he
said.
This
is
a
preventable
death.
If
we
can
just
teach
one
child,
I
think
we
all
feel
a
little
bit
better,
that
we
know
we
maybe
have
saved
at
least
one
child's
life
from
an
accidental
swimming
surrounding.
D
I
Waring.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
agree
with
all
these
council
members.
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
give
you
some
money,
so
you
can
say
I've
got
this
money
to
go
out
and
pay
somebody
25
30
an
hour
when
you
talk
about
the
number
of
hours
over
what
10
weeks
summer,
we're
not
talking
about
a
whole
lot
of
money
and
councilman
sheath
is
right.
I
I
So
this
piece
about:
let's
get
some
more
money,
so
we
can
pay
the
instructor
more,
but
if
they're
going
to
use
our
pool,
they
got
to
be
able
to
do
feather
in
some
of
those
kids
who
parents
can't
pay
okay,
so
I
don't,
I
think,
without
help.
I
think
you
come
up
with
something
this
summer
and
I
think
I've
before
before
I
get
the
council
meeting.
I
I
think
I'll
have
the
name
of
a
person
of
instructor
that
barbara
dilla
god
wrote
for
a
grant
for
the
school
system
to
help
of
the
aspects
of
that
was
that
help
low-income
kids
learn
how
to
swim
and
they've
got
a
swim
instructor.
So
I
think
I
need
to
match
them
up
with
you,
and
maybe
we
can
get
a
pool
instructor
and
then
with
a
little
bit
of
money.
I
D
I
Let's
just
say:
oh
I
mean
we
can
do
the
quick
math
on
that
right
now,
at
30
bucks
an
hour
we're
not
talking
about
you
know,
we
don't
have
to
tilt
the
budget
to
get
that
one
get
you
some
money,
get
that
done
all
right.
So
I'll
get
you
that
name
with
the
ladies
dude
councilmember
miss
dilligan
with
the
grant
she
got
in
the
swimming
show.
F
F
D
D
I
think
we
could
definitely
build
that,
because
we've
got
a
number
of
adult
swimmers
in
our
community
that
that
are
doctors
and
lawyers
and
all
kind
of
things
like
that
they
would
love
to
help
a
child
learn
to
swim,
and
I
think
we
could
build
a
program
like
that
where
you
could
adopt
a
child
for
the
summer
or
help
a
child
swim
for
the
summer
and
and
turn
those
donations
into
pool
time
pool
hours
and
and
a
sponsorship
opportunity.
I
definitely
think
we
could
do
that.
D
F
I
B
We
got
to
get
together
more
and
talk
talk
about
how
to
make
these
kind
of
interesting
things
happen.
I
think
this
is
the
model,
and
this
is
the
the
this
is
the
future
of
these
types
of
collaborations,
because
it's
just
going
to
be
very
hard
long
term
for
the
government
to
be
keeping
up
with
the
private
sector
when
it
comes
to,
you
know
paying
folks,
and
that
goes
beyond
just
the
recreation
department.
B
As
we
all
know,
and
I
think
that
clever
public-private
partnerships
are
the
model
moving
forward
and
as
councilmember
waring
mentioned,
we've
got
the
facilities.
We've
got
the
stuff
that
people
need
it's
just.
How
can
we
leverage
that,
with
you
know
private
donations
and
non-profits
and
things
of
that
nature
to
provide
services?
I
think
the
government
providing
all
the
services
you
know
soup
to
nuts
is
is
maybe
an
ideal
approach.
Maybe
it
worked
in
the
past,
but
I
just
think
moving
forward.
B
We're
gonna
have
to
get
more
creative
and
more
more
diverse
when
it
comes
to
those
issues.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
on
this
issue
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
logistics
of
teachers
and
expenses
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
let's
make
sure
that
whoever
is
a
private
instructor
teaching
in
a
city
pool
not
just
contractually
agree
to
indemnify
the
city.
God
forbid
something
happens
to
it.
B
You
know
a
swimmer
but
actually
provides.
You
know
proof
of
insurance
with
the
city
of
charleston
named
as
an
additional
named
insured,
because
I
can
promise
you
if,
god
forbid
something
happens,
the
city
of
charleston
is
the
second
defendant,
or
maybe
the
first
defendant
in
that
lawsuit,
and
I
think
it's
not
enough
just
for
them
to
contractually
agree
to
it.
We
need
to
make
sure
if
we
get
sued,
we
can
turn
that
off
off
onto
the
insurance
company.
That
is
agreed
for
the
city
by
the
private
swim
instructor.
C
A
C
I
C
B
C
Thank
you
all.
I
mean
lori
thanks
for
spending
the
time
on
this
I
mean.
I
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
extra
effort,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
all
too.
You
know
when
I
brought
it
up
at
the
council
meeting
at
the
last
council
meeting.
I
didn't
expect
it
anything
to
really
happen
this
summer,
but
I'm
I'm
just
glad
that
you
know
that
we
may
be
able
to
pull
something
together
for
some
of
these
kids
in
the
city
of
charleston
this
summer.
So
thanks
everyone.
B
Good
deal
well,
I
think
this
was
just
a
discussion
item,
so
I
don't
believe
we
will
vote
on
item
a
and,
if
it's
everybody's
pleasure,
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
next
item.
All
right.
Hearing,
no
objection
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
consideration
of
a
rental
agreement
to
rent
portions
of
the
daniel
island
rec
center
in
the
amount
of
33
000
a
year
to
the
point
hope
presbyterian
church
for
sunday
services
and
other
special
events
who,
from
our
staff,
is
going
to
elucidate
this
item.
D
I'm
I'm
happy
to
be
here
for
this.
One
too.
I
think
legal
should
should
definitely
be
on
the
line
on
this
one
as
well,
but
we
were
approached
by
the
folks
at
point
hope
presbyterian.
They
came
into
charleston
prior
to
coved
and
are
represented
by
reverend
rob
hamby.
I
believe
he
is
on
this.
This
call
as
well,
but
he
is
spoke,
reached
out
and
talked
to
council
member
greg
as
this
is
in
his
district
and
they
are
going
to
start.
D
They
will
cover
all
the
cost
of
the
building,
rental
and
they're
being
open
and
the
staff
that
will
need
to
open
it
as
well
as
leaving
a
damaged
deposit
and
some
replacement
fees
to
help
us
replace,
chairs
and
tables.
That
we
know
will
need
to
replace
with
some
more
use
like
that,
but
the
really
great
thing
other
than
it
being
a
great
opportunity
for
folks
that
maybe
don't
know
about
the
daniel
island
rec
center
to
learn
about
it.
D
By
coming
there,
but
there
also
have
agreed
to
let
people
come
in
and
use
the
gymnasium
while
church
is
going
on.
So
it
will
allow
us
to
actually
be
open
on
daniel
island
four
additional
hours
a
week
that
we
have
not
been
paid
have
not
been
paid
to
be
open
for
and
allow
so
we'll
starting
in
july.
That
would
allow
folks
on
daniel
island
to
come
in
and
use
the
rec
center
during
the
time
they're
using
it
for
church.
C
D
So
councilmember
gregory,
it's
it's
a
rental
fee
of
33
000
for
the
entire
year
and
they
pay
half
at
one
time
and
half
that
another.
Additionally,
they'll
have
a
damage
deposit
of
five
thousand
dollars
and
they've
agreed
to
give
us
up
to
two
thousand
dollars
to
replace
tables
and
chairs.
That
would
be
used
for
their
setup
services
in
the
multi-purpose
room
over
the
course
of
the
year.
So.
D
D
J
I
would
just
like
to
note
I
I
did
meet
with
pastor
rob
hamby
with
the
church
last
week,
so
excited
to
have
these
this
congregation
out
on
daniel
allen
he's
a
great
member
of
the
community.
This
is
going
to
be
a
great
addition
to
to
our
community
out
here.
So
I'm
really
glad
they're
going
to
be
able
to
to
start
worshiping
out
here
on
daniel
island.
C
B
E
B
Deal
good
thinking
there
all
right
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
mayor
to
execute
a
deed,
and
this
is
regarding
the
quitclaim
deed
that
had
been
discussed
a
few
meetings
ago
regarding
the
children's
museum
of
charleston.
So
I
think
everybody
on
the
call
is
familiar
with
this.
Do
we
have
somebody
from
our
staff
that
is
going
to
give
us
a
little
bit
more
insight
into
this
matter?.
B
B
A
Sir,
thank
you
chairman,
so
I'll
be
super
brief.
I
think
this
was
in
front
of
you.
In
february
or
january,
the
members
of
the
board
of
the
children's
museum
approached
the
city
about
the
potential
for
the
city
quit
claiming
the
museum
property
to
the
board
and
in
an
effort
to
use
that
building
as
collateral
to
take
out
a
loan
to
perform
a
significant
amount
of
improvements
to
the
building
to
improve
the
museum.
A
During
that
committee
meeting,
I
believe
there
was
some
pretty
specific
instruction
to
the
board
members
to
meet
with
them
and
come
back
with
some
additional
information
regarding
the
instructions
from
their
bank
with
regard
to
the
lending
requirements
and
mark
murphy
and
edward
rawl
are
both
on
this
call
to
address
those
concerns,
and
I
believe
they
are
both
on.
Is
that
correct,
jennifer?
B
A
K
Yeah,
this
is
mark
I'll
start
and
edward.
Ask
you
to
provide
color,
but
we
were
in
front
of
you
two
short
months
ago.
I
think
and
left
that
meeting
after
some
discussion
with
some
action
items
for
the
children
museum
board.
Those
action
items
were
to
get
a
breakdown
of
what
we're
calling
kind
of
gate
traffic,
which
is
what
demographics
are.
The
museum
really
supporting.
K
G
B
J
J
A
G
Not
for
mr
murphy
or
mr
all,
I
met
with
them
and
they
answered
a
lot
of
my
questions
that
I
had
concerning
this.
One
of
my
concerns
was
what
they
had
brought
up
was
who
was
servicing
the
second
question
in
julia?
I
hate
to
call
you
back
after
the
microphone,
but
maybe
you
can
just
address
something
for
me.
Please.
A
C
A
A
A
C
I
A
I
I
I
I
I
K
K
The
the
operating
estimate
we
are
working
with
to
complete
the
what
we
would
call
kind
of
phase
one
and
two
of
the
project,
which
is
the
exterior
renovations,
the
movement
of
the
entrance
from
the
promenade
area,
to
facilitate
that
project.
Additionally,
for
the
city
move
that
around
and
make
some,
you
know
the
improvements
that
were
approved
by
the
bar,
the
operating
budget,
we're
working
with
is
four
million
dollars.
K
K
Yeah,
I
think,
if
we're
dealing
with
round
numbers,
you
know
that
that
gets
us
into
the
area
where
we
could
support
the
project,
and
you
know
the
organization
is-
is
healthy
in
our
in
our
admissions
and
has
already
always
operated
profitably.
So
I
think
the
the
2.5
to
3
million
range,
given
our
current
positioning
coming
out
of
pandemic,
would
go
a
long
way
towards
that
project.
I
See
y'all's
problem
is
really
a
fundraising
problem:
okay,
twofold:
the
city
needs
to
come
in
with
some
money,
because
it's
the
city's
building
and
the
board
and
the
stakeholders
of
the
museum
needs
to
go
out
and
raise
money,
and
that
sounds
awfully
big-headed,
but
I
can
tell
you:
that's
been
done
all
over
the
city.
The
international
african-american
museum
is
probably
a
quintessential
example.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
But
to
get
you
a
substantial
aware,
I
I
don't
know
the
numbers.
I
don't
know
how
much
money
we
gave
to
the
cbb.
But
again
we
were
reinvesting
into
a
city
asset,
it's
owned
by
the
taxpayers.
We
took
taxpayers
dollars
and
invested
in
a
taxpayer
property
asset
if
this,
ten
years
from
now,
if
somehow
the
children
museum
board
were
to
get
upset
and
want
to
sell
this
property
and
move
them
unpleasant.
I
I
I
So
anyway,
I
hear
your
proposal,
but
can
you
imagine
if
the
wine
and
food
festival
had
a
building
that
the
city
had
given
them
the
way
they
left
us
and
went
up
to
north
charleston?
After
I
don't
know
a
decade
of
support,
people
go
and
come
attitudes
change,
but
the
city,
the
equity,
that's
in
city,
taxpayers,
on
property,
just
shouldn't
be
given
away
and
that's
what's
that's
what's
being
requested
so.
B
G
Yeah
and
councilman
murray,
thanks
for
your
insight
on
on
all
vining.
You
know
I
have
talked
about
this
before
and
and
appreciate
your
your
inside
the
circle
kind
of
view
on
on
this.
Should
we
defer
this
to
give
the
board
members
an
opportunity
to
come
back
to
us
with
a
proposal
as
whether
or
not
that
is
feasible
if
they
they
raise?
If
we
match
what
they
raise,
for
instance,
and
they
come
up
with
1.5
and
we
can
raise
1.5,
that's,
I
think
the
whole
idea
behind
it.
G
My
understanding
was
this
is
a
great
program
that
we
have
the
children
museum.
They
serve
us
so
many
of
our
citizens,
not
just
within
the
city
of
charleston
but
outside
the
city
of
charleston
as
well.
The
idea
is
just
to
make
this
thing
successful
and
I
don't
want
to
get
in
the
way
of
them
being
successful.
I
want
to
help
them,
but
we
can't,
but
if
that's
the
way
to
make
this
work,
it's
for
us
to
partner
with
them.
K
Yeah
councilman,
this
is
mark,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
comment
and
and
the
feedback,
and
certainly
we
we
never
sought
out
to
be
owners
of
this
building.
We
we
got
to
this
place
as
a
path
to
be
try
to
be
successful
and
really
create
more
capacity
in
a
better
environment
for
our
constituents,
the
children
of
the
city.
So
I
think
the
the
directions
are
aligned.
You
know
we're
trying
to
move
something
forward
for
a
really
important
group.
K
If
the,
if
they
ask
council
member
is
you
know,
could
we
come
back
with
a
tangible
proposal?
For
you
know
some
mix
of
hard
dollars
and
city
support
liking
to
the
african-american
museum,
to
help
us
get
to
a
fundraising
goal
again
a
tangible
fundraising
goal,
edward?
I
I
speak,
I
think,
probably
for
the
board.
Yes,
you
know,
I
think
our
our
objective
is
getting
this
project
done
and
getting
it
done.
You
know
over
the
next
kind
of
12
to
18
months
to
service
the
growing
community.
K
G
You
all
to
be
successful
and
if,
if,
if
there's
a
way
to
help
fund
this,
that
avoids
you
guys
having
to
pay
to
obtain
a
mortgage
in
in
service
a
mortgage
and
everybody,
everybody
walks
away,
feeling
that
we've
contributed
equally
to
this
this
project.
So
I'm,
if,
if
all
willing
to
do
that,
I
would
move
to
defer
this.
G
Let
us
come
back
and
and
work
together
on
it
and
remember.
One
thing
I
mentioned
to
you
guys
is
that
perhaps
you
should
expand
your
board
to
put
a
couple
of
council
members
on
there,
so
I
would
just
I
would
if
we
knew
that
we
got
some.
We
got
some
very
energetic
young
parents
on
this
council,
councilmember
appel,
councilmember,
parker,
councilmember,
dowden,
councilmember
greg.
G
G
J
G
E
Most
of
the
deals
that
the
city
has
done
with
non-profits
and
museums
have
been
along
the
lines
of,
as
he
described
where
the
city
continues
to
own
the
property
for
a
marginal
lease
and
and
in
fact,
helps
to
improve
the
building
and-
and
I
think
maybe,
where
this
long
ago
got
off
on
a
different
tack-
was
when
the
lease
was
first
generated
back
in
the
90s.
I
was
involved
as
a
staff
member.
E
You
know
the
the
museum,
the
children's
museum
assumed
full
responsibility
for
the
building
and
the
city
just
offered
the
property,
and
so
but
but
I
do
understand
that
you
know
that
was
25
years
ago,
and
things
have
changed
and
and
the
the
building
needs
more
than
a
little
tlc.
It
needs
some
major
renovations
to
to
serve
serve
our
children
of
our
community,
and
I
saw
that
chart
where
the
kids
are
coming
from
and
really
it's.
E
E
I
guess,
but
we
wouldn't
want
to
do
that
with
this
property
long
term,
that's
clear
and-
and
what's
happened
over
the
last
since
I've
been
mayor,
is
as
the
school
of
the
building
arts
has
had
to
come
back
to
the
city.
I
think
on
three
different
occasions
and
ask
for
to
raise
the
debt
ceiling
on
what
they
could
borrow
on
the
property
and
it's
just
become
very
complicated.
E
So
so
I
do
think
the
wise
thing
for
us
to
do
is
is
to
work
this
out,
make
a
commitment
from
the
city
to
assist
you
with
the
building
costs,
and
let's
come
up
with
a
number
that
we
can
all
work
with.
Give
you
as
long
as
you
want
practically
forever
on
the
lease,
but
but
still
maintain
that
that
model
that
that
councilmember
wearing
mentioned,
I
think
long-term.
For
both
of
us,
it
will
make
the
best
sense.
G
C
G
C
I
Thank
you.
I
do
have
some
discussion.
Let
me,
mr
murphy
and
mr
rawl,
you
all
on
the
hot
seat,
and
I
know
it's
not
y'all's
fault.
I
really
believe
you
all
came
to
us.
If
I
remember
you
know
a
couple
months
ago
was
because
the
bankers
put
you
all
in
this
position.
The
bankers
want
a
title
versus,
even
though
you
have
a
long-term
lease
and
not
wanting
to
make
the
loan
that
way,
and
I
you
know
the
cvb
was
able
to
get
a
loan.
I
I
I
just
really
think
we
need
to
find
the
bankers.
I
happen
to
be
on
wells
fargo's
board
when
they
approve
the
loan
for
d
norton
center.
So
I
know
that
bankers
out
there
that
would
do
now.
I
don't
know
whether
the
bank
that
you
all
are
talking
about
is
willing
to
do
it,
but
that's
one
good
thing
about
competition
in
america,
so
with
cities,
involvement
which
reduces
the
request
of
the
loan,
it
makes
it
even,
I
think,
more
feasible
to
get
a
deal.
I
B
Well
said,
councilman
waring-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
mark
and
edward
for
meeting
with
me
in
my
office
and
explaining
more
about
the
museum
and
what
their
goals
are,
and
I
think,
there's
a
way
to
get
there.
I
think,
let's,
let's
all
make
a
pledge
on
this
zoom
call
to
collaborate,
communicate,
work
together.
There's
a
lot
of
muscle
memory
here,
very
similar
public-private
deals,
as
councilman
waring
has
alluded
to,
and
I
mean
he's
just
such
a
great
resource
when
it
comes
to
this.
B
I
really
encourage
you
all
to
get
together
talk
through
some
of
these
issues
and
and
we
can
get
there-
I
mean
if
we
can
do
a
hundred
million
dollars
for
the
international
african-american
museum.
You
know
this
is
very
achievable.
It's
very
achievable.
We
just
got
to
hit
a
single
here
and-
and
I
think
we
can
do
it,
so
we
got
a
motion
to
defer
on
the
floor
with
some
clear
guidance
to
our
colleagues
here.
Any
further
discussion.
I
B
K
B
This
this
meeting
is
being
reported,
it's
on
youtube,
so
it
is
you
take
that
to
the
take
that
to
the
bank
good
deal.
All
in
favor
of
the
referral
motion,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
all
opposed
hearing
none.
The
motion
passes
since
we've
got
ways
and
means
coming
up
at
four.
We
are
needing
to
kind
of
move
along
here
I
propose
maybe
taking
items
d
e
together.
G
B
B
J
B
All
opposed
hearing
none
the
eyes
have
it
now
now
we're
moving
now
we're
moving
item
f.
This
is
the
greenway
leaps
between
city
of
charleston
and
charleston
water
system.
Julia.
Did
you
want
to
maybe
make
a
couple
remarks
about
this,
just
to
explain
kind
of
what
this
is
and
how
it
relates
to
the
lease
that
we
had
previously
looked
at.
A
A
This
is
an
amendment
to
the
lease
and
two
of
the
big
perks
that
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
we
did
get
through
our
negotiations
with
cws
was
a
six
thousand
square
foot
community
garden
space
which
will
be
located
in
the
burns
down
section
of
the
greenway,
as
well
as
a
provision
in
here
that
allows
any
future
improvements
to
be
negotiated
with
cws,
which
I
think
is
a
good
win
for
us,
because
before
that
everything
was
cemented
and
in
stone
and
unmovable.
So
this
is
a
good,
a
good
thing
for
us.
I
B
G
B
B
We
can
strike
the
right
balance
over
time
and
just
to
be
clear
to
anybody.
That's
watching
this.
This
lease
does
not
approve
any
specific
projects
in
any
specific
locations.
This
is
just
a
framework
for
us
to
then
begin
the
process
of
coming
up
with
ideas
and
green
lighting
them
and
working
with
neighborhoods,
and
you
know
getting
the
support
and
feedback
from
the
stakeholders
all
following.
B
The
2019
greenway
master
plan,
which
is
sort
of
the
roadmap
here
and
as
we
get
the
ashley
river
bridge
bike
ped
bridge
online
in
the
coming
years,
it's
going
to
be
all
the
more
important
for
the
greenway
to
be
providing
sort
of
level
of
service
that
we
want
for
our
communities,
not
just
for
west
ashley,
but
folks
downtown
that
are
going
to
be.
You
know,
crisscrossing
back
and
forth
and
of
course,
folks,
over
in
the
communities
that
are
sorry
about
the
bikeway.
B
I
mean
everything's
going
to
be
connected
eventually
and
that's
why
it's
so
important
to
have
this
lease
in
place
as
a
framework,
as
we
begin
to
move
forward
in
the
coming
years.
So
just
want
to
thank
everybody
involved,
our
city's
legal
department,
our
city
staff,
jason
kronsberg,
everybody
for
doing
this,
and
we
got
a
little
bit
of
funding
in
the
tank,
we're
working
on
some
signage,
some
very
basic
sort
of
improvements
on
the
greenway,
and
I
look
forward
to
making
these
things
happen
in
the
coming
years.
B
C
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
would
also
like
to
thank
our
colleagues
over
cws
and
not
to
be
contrary
with
you,
mr
chairman,
but
there
is
one
specific
thing
in
the
lease
amendment
that
that
is
specific
to
location
and
that's
a
community
garden,
and
I
forget
exactly
where
it
is,
but
it
is
specified
in
the
amendment.
It
is
a
framework
as
you
mentioned,
but
it
also
does
specify
that
community
garden,
location
or.
B
L
L
Does
it
just
remind
and
orient
some
of
the
council
members
who
are
not
involved
in
this
daily?
So
this
is
the
location
that
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
sumar
street
parcel.
This
was
brought
to
you,
I
think,
back
in
the
first
meeting
of
may,
where
we
provide
a
broad
overview
next
slide,
please,
and
so
since,
since
june
17th,
that
was
a
last
update
that
was
provided
to
you
guys
it
did
receive
conceptual
approval
at
the
design
review
board.
L
We
also
received
comments
from
our
internal
city
review
committee
and
then,
through
the
month
of
june,
myself
and
the
design
team
have
met
and
coordinated
regarding
the
modifications
and
anything
else
that's
going
to
have
to
occur
in
order
to
comply
with
those
comments
we
also
had
our
geotechnical
survey
was
completed
and
leolio
is
making
additional
progress
on
the
exterior
per
comment.
Go
on
to
the
next
slide,
please
the
next
step,
so
in
the
coming
month
to
two
months.
L
What
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
is
the
subsurface
parking
part
of
this
is
looking
at.
How
do
we
do
an
underground
parking
area
as
part
of
this
redevelopment,
with
that
leolio
and
landmark
are
studying
the
possibility
of
the
underground
parking
area.
In
addition,
it
would
have
a
overflow
component
for
storm
water
as
well,
so
not
meeting,
not
meeting
the
sit.
L
4Th
also
with
that
city
staff,
corporate
council
and
landmark
with
their
legal
team,
continue
to
refine
the
draft
development
agreement,
as
well
as
the
draft
round
lease
so
we're
getting
ever
so
closer
to
those
and
then
some
of
the
outstanding
mou
elements
that
we
will
still
be
going
for
is
to
finalize
a
guaranteed
max
price
to
finish
out
the
development
agreement.
In
order
to
finish
that,
though,
we
do
need
to
have
trc
preliminary
completed
for
cost
estimates.
L
G
F
G
Direction
with
this
we're
making
wonderful
progress,
I
appreciate
the
the
work
that
we've
got
so
far.
As
eric
mentioned,
we
got
the
drb
conceptual
approval
last
month
and
so
we're
heading
down
this
path.
So
thank
you
eric
and
our
partners.
I
can't
see
you
all
set
very
faintly
landmark
partners,
but
thank
you
all
for
being
there
this
afternoon
to
make
yourselves
available.
B
K
B
B
Absolutely
one
by
one
one
by
one
good
deal
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
all
opposed
hearing,
none
the
eyes
have
it,
and
now
we
go
into
an
executive
session
regarding
the
barbary
woods
project.
Do
we
have
a
motion
that
contains
the
magic
foia
incantation
to
properly
move
us
into
executive
session
to
receive
legal
advice,
so
move
all
right?
I
got
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
second,
we
have
a
second
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
aye
the
eyes.
Have
it
now?