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City of Charleston Committee on Public Safety 7/19/2021
B
All
right
mayor
all
right,
I
think
we
have
a
all
the
bodies
we
need
and
I'll
call
to
order.
The
joint
public
safety
committee
and
recreation
committee
meeting
I'm
on
july,
19
2021
good
afternoon.
Everybody
we've
almost
got
a
full
quorum
of
a
of
a
full
council
meeting
with
a
number
of
folks
on
here,
and
it's
good
to
see
everybody
I'm
after
a
long
weekend,
councilmember
sacramento.
If
I
could
call
on
you,
please,
sir,
to
lead
us
in
a
moment
of
silence
or
an
invocation.
Please
thank
you.
C
B
Amen,
thank
you,
sir.
The
clerk
pointed
out
to
me
that
agenda
items
number
five,
six
seven
and
eight
require
both
approvals
by
public
safety
and
recreation.
B
So
I
would
entertain
a
motion
that
we
go
out
of
order
to
take
out
items:
five,
six,
seven
and
eight
first
and
then
swing
back
and
public
safety
will
pick
up
the
remaining
items
on
there.
Just
such
a
motion,
don't
move
exactly.
Okay
in
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
all
right,
wonderful,
all
right!
So
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
the
susan,
herdina
and
steve
rumland
show
these
ordnance
at
five
six
seven
and
eight
are
somewhat
related
to
one
another.
B
You
should
have
received
a
memorandum
from
heather
about
the
outline
on
all
these
ordinances.
So
susan,
do
you
want
to
tee
this
out
a
little
bit
in
passing
on
to
steve.
D
Yes,
sir
good
afternoon,
everyone,
this
was
the
organization
the
legal
department
has
been
working
on
for
a
number
of
months.
He
would
test
the
little
issues
that
have
arisen
within
the
city.
D
Working
on
this
to
address
some
recent
issues
that
have
come
up
as
well
as
once
we
started
getting
into
the
different
ordinances.
We
realized
that
we
really
needed
to
update
some
some
of
these
permits
to
make
them
more
understandable
to
the
public,
and
so
with
that
in
mind,
the
police
department,
primarily
with
steve
and
heather,
as
well
as
support
from
sterling
and
and
mallory,
have
been
working
on
these,
and
I.
E
D
There's
several
of
them
they
interrelate
with
each
other,
and
I-
and
that
is
the
reason
why
we
asked
for
this
joint
committee
today
and
I
guess
I'll
turn
it
over
to
steve
and
he'll.
Do
a
brief
summary.
If
that's
what
you'd
like
council
member
shade
chairman,
we,
we
did
send
out
the
memo
in
an
effort
to
try
to
streamline
the
discussion
today.
Would
you
like
to
proceed
with
steve,
giving
a
short
summary
yeah.
B
F
Okay,
thank
you
yeah,
and
this
was
really
a
group
effort
and
much
credit
to
heather
for
driving
this
and
also
to
to
sterling
who
did
a
lot
of
the
drafting
in
this.
F
The
goal,
of
course,
is
to
make
this
all
easier,
so
captain
brooder
had
pointed
out
some
interesting
statistics
on
a
call.
Earlier
today
that
said
in
2018
we
had
a
total
of
three
permits
in
2019,
a
total
of
three
permits
in
2020,
which
was
basically
about
a
half
a
year
we
had
82
permits,
and
so
far
in
2021,
we've
had
61..
F
So,
as
you
can
see,
there's
been
a
significant
increase
in
the
amount
of
permits
that
we're
issuing
in
the
interest
of
the
public
in
obtaining
these
permits,
so
we're
very
busy
with
permits.
On
the
last
couple
years,
when
looking
at
our
statutory
scheme,
we
have
the
parade
permit,
but
traditionally
what
people
think
of
as
a
parade
isn't
conducive
with
what
we're
seeing
in
these
demonstrations
they're,
not
necessarily
parades
but
involve
other
issues
that
aren't
parades.
So
what
we
did
is
we
got
rid
of
the
parade
permit.
F
F
And
our
hope
is
to
make
the
process
more
clear
and
also
to
outline
the
rules
that
apply,
because
many
of
the
rules
that
apply
are
rules
that
come
out
of
case
law,
constitutional
case
law
as
far
as
time
place
and
manner
restrictions.
And
what
we
try
to
do
is
take
some
of
that
case
law
and
make
it
into
an
ordinance
so
everyone's
clear
as
to
what
the
rules
are.
When
you
apply
for
a
permit
and
actually
have
an
event
that
involves
the
first
amendment.
F
We
want
to
ensure
that
people
are
able
to
exercise
their
first
amendment
rights,
but
we
also
in
doing
that,
want
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
order
safety
and
use
and
enjoyment
of
all
public
areas
in
the
city
for
the
other
members
of
the
public.
That
may
not
be
may
not
be
engaged
in
that
first
amendment
activity,
so
preserving
the
right
to
first
amendment
activity,
but
also
allowing
other
people
to
enjoy
the
city
as
well
and
then.
F
Finally,
we
wanted
to
prepare
for
the
implementation
of
the
open,
carry
with
training
act,
which
was
passed
and
signed
by
the
governor
back
in
may
and
goes
into
effect
on
august
15th,
and
in
that
act
the
city
is
given
the
authority
to
restrict
the
open,
carry
of
firearms
at
events
in
the
city,
and
I
believe
it's
the
desire
of
the
of
the
mayor
to
to
make
that
a
rule
for
all
city
events,
and
so
we're
amending
our
statutory
scheme
to
reflect
that
that,
if
you're
going
to
have
an
event
in
the
city
that
there's
not
going
to
be
opening
open,
carry
at
that
event
and
then
what
the
rules
are
as
far
as
implementing
that,
so
the
actual
demonstrations
ordinance
is
really
kind
of
the
crux
of
this.
F
The
other
amendments
to
like
special
events
and
and
park
permitting
that
sort
of
thing
we've
amended
those
to
reflect
the
amendments
we've
made
to
the
demonstrations
ordinance
and
we've
added
some
rules
to
the
to
the
parks,
but
really
the
demonstrations.
Ordinance
is
kind
of
the
crux
of
this
whole
thing,
and
so
we've
come
up
with
a
definition
for
demonstrations,
which
I
believe,
we've
modeled
off
of
the
federal
laws
and
regulations,
and
the
demonstration
can
be
a
thousand
people.
F
A
demonstration
can
be
as
little
as
as
one
person
if
you're
going
to
have
a
demonstration
of
25
or
more
people.
You
have
to
get
a
permit
if
you're
less
than
25
people,
you
don't
have
to
get
a
permit.
However,
the
rules
that
are
applicable
to
demonstrations
apply
to
those
smaller
groups,
so
there's
certain
time
place
and
manner
restrictions
that
we
built
into
the
ordinance
that
would
apply
across
the
board.
Regardless
of
how
large
a
group
is.
F
As
I
stated,
we
we
built
in
the
open,
carry
prohibition
into
the
demonstrations.
Ordinance.
We've
also
restated
the
law
with
regards
to
pointing
or
presenting
firearms
at
people
at
demonstrations,
as
well
as
brandishing
weapons.
F
F
We've
also
indicated
that
if
your
demonstration
is
going
to
last
more
than
three
hours
or
if
you
want
to
reserve
a
particular
area
of
the
city
for
your
event,
if
you
your
event
occurs
on
a
regular
or
frequent
basis
or
if
your
event
is
going
to
require
services
of
other
other
city
departments
beyond
that
of
the
police
department
that
that's
going
to
kick
you
into
the
special
events
committee,
realm
and
you'll
have
to
meet
with
them
to
do
some
more
planning.
F
You
can
apply
as
few
as
three
days
before
or
as
far
as
30
days
out.
Much
of
the
standards
for
issuance
are
are
taken
from
the
parade.
Permit
ordinance
not
much
has
changed
there,
but
of
course,
if
there's
another
event
going
on
in
the
city,
that's
going
to
draw
the
police
department
and
other
departments
to
that
event,
and
you
want
to
have
an
event.
F
At
the
same
time,
we're
going
to
tell
you,
you
may
have
to
plan
your
event
for
another
day
or
another
another
week
sometime
in
the
future,
because
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
accommodate
a
number
of
events
all
at
the
same
time
the
appeals
process.
We
changed
that
used
to
go
before
city
council.
We've
now
put
that
before
the
public
safety
committee,
so
people
can
appeal
and
and
get
their
issue
heard
on
it
on
a
sooner
basis
than
they
otherwise
would,
of
course,
like
I
said,
the
the
chief
has.
F
The
option
of
offering
applicants
alternate
dates
if
there's
another
event
going
on
at
the
same
location
or
resources
are,
are
allocated
to
another
event
and
then,
as
far
as
the
regulations,
you
can't
block
or
obstruct
or
interfere
with
pedestrian
or
vehicular
traffic.
F
We've
moved
the
demonstrations
off
of
monuments,
fountains
statues,
that
sort
of
thing,
so
you
can
still
go
and
protest
at
a
monument
or
a
statue,
but
you
can't
stand
right
on
it,
so
others
can't
have
access
to
it.
So
we're
going
to
establish
areas
around
those
monuments
and
statues
where
people
can
express
their
first
amendment
opinions,
but
the
general
public
will
still
be
able
to
access
those
statues
and
monuments,
so
they
can
see
what
the
placards
say
and
and
enjoy
the
monument
hey
steve.
This
is.
F
Right,
yes,
so
that
would
be
from
the
outermost
edge
of
the
monument,
so
some
monuments
have
like
a
walkway
around
them
that
would
be
outside
the
walkway.
Some
are
just
an
obelisk
that
sticks
straight
out
of
the
ground.
That
would
be
from
the
base
of
the
the
statue
and
again
we
would.
The
police
would
go
out
and
look
at
that
area
and
establish
what
makes
the
most
sense
you
know.
F
If
you
had
a
opposing
groups,
you
wouldn't
want
them
right
next
to
each
other,
so
we
put
one
group
in
one
area:
one
group
and
the
other
they'd
still
be
able
to
see
each
other
and
hear
each
other,
but
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
just
you
know,
fight
each
other
right
there
at
the
at
the
monument.
So
one
more.
G
One
more
question
for
you:
if,
if
it's
only
one
or
two
people
right,
they're
not
going
to
have
to
necessarily
have
a
permit,
am
I
correct
that
is
correct?
Okay,
now,
if
the
one
or
two
becomes
organic-
and
I
think
somewhere
in
this-
you-
you
guys
talk
about
it
if
it
becomes
organic
and
that
two
swells
beyond
the
25
right.
F
Well
so
the
case
law
establishes
and
now
we've
kind
of
codified
it.
So
as
whether
it's
a
group
or
one
or
two
or
a
group
of
100,
the
the
chief
of
police,
you
know
and
his
his
designee
have
the
ability
to
to
move
the
group
to
a
designated
area
to
ensure
the
safety
of
all
involved.
So
I
mean
even
like,
as
it
applies
to
monuments
and
statues.
Even
a
one
person
can't
necessarily
stand
on
a
statue
with
a
with
a
sign.
G
Not
quite
my
question
mike
my
question
is
okay:
we've
got
two
people
they're
going
to
protest,
okay
and
and
within
that
process
that
two
people
ends
up
being
25
or
more.
Would
the
chief
then
have
the
authority
to
shut
that
down
and
tell
them
that
they
need
to
go
forward
with
the
permitting
process.
F
I
think
technically,
yes,
I
mean,
if
you
organize
an
event
that
draws
a
big
crowd,
you
should
have
gotten
the
permit
and
it
could
be
declared
a
unlawful
assembly
and
he
could
disperse
that
group
and
tell
them
to
apply
for
a
permit.
F
That
said,
if
it
wasn't
really
planned
to
be
that
way,
and
people
just
seem
to
show
up
to
it,
I
think
what
we've
done
is.
We've
tried
to
accommodate
that,
and
so,
like.
I
said
that
we
look
at
the
situation
and
the
the
chief
or
his
designee
would
be
able
to
move
that
group
into
an
area
where
it
be
safe
for
all
in
the
area
for
them
to
have
their
first
amendment
event
and
for
the
general
public
to
still
to
still
enjoy
the
area.
Okay,
it's
still
kind
of.
F
Yeah
it
is,
it
is
okay.
Thank
you.
I
guess
it
depends
on
the
the
circumstances,
but
again
we've
tried
to
accommodate,
but
you
know
the
the
idea
of
someone
just
advertising:
hey
everyone
show
up
in
marion
square
for
an
event
tonight
and
not
get
a
permit,
no
we're,
that's
that's
against
the
ordinance
and
and
that
we
would
probably
disperse
okay.
Thanks
for
that
answer,.
B
Mr
co-chairman,
the
other
thing
that
steve
mentioned
in
case
we
didn't
pick
up
on
it
was
that
in
the
event
it
does
swell
to
this
25
or
greater
the
rules
that
we're
talking
about
here.
The
restrictions
that
we're
talking
about
here
will
apply
so
they
have
to
comply
with,
at
least
that
portion
of
the
restrictions
regarding
as
outlined
in
these
proposal
analysis.
Mr
mirror,
I
saw
your
handout.
B
You
a
couple
observations
and
I'll
open
the
floor
up
some
more
questions.
I
see,
as
you
were,
going
through
the
very
first
part
of
this.
I
was
writing
down
these
numbers
of
permits.
In
my
mind
immediately.
I
was
thinking
about
permits
for
concealed
weapons
and
it's
not
just
permits
for
assembling
folks
for
parades
and
things
of
that
of
that
nature.
B
And
if
you
do
read
the
new
state
law
that
goes
into
effect
about
open
carry,
there
is
a
litany
and
restrictions
that
are
available
for
local
municipalities
to
apply,
and
so
when,
when
you
take
this,
these
proposed
ordinances
and
you
take
the
statute.
The
law
doesn't
go
into
effect
by
mid-august.
You
see
what
the
scheme
that
steve
and
company
are
trying
to
put
together
to
make
sure
that
they
match
with
one
another
and
that
we're
taking
advantage
of
some
of
those
restrictions.
B
So
I
think
it's
a
very
common
sense
approach
to
all
of
us,
so
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
ahead
of
the
game
and
that
we've
got
these
ordinances
in
place
at
the
same
time
that
the
state
law
goes
into
effect
as
well.
B
Those
comments
I'll
open
the
floor
for
any
questions
by
any
committee
member
members.
A
Mr
mayor,
well,
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
the
staff
for
their
fine
work
on
all
of
this
and,
as
steve
mentioned,
with
the
increasing
number
of
applications
we've
had
over
the
last
year
or
so
to
bring
some
consistent,
and
so
when
they
started
looking
into
the
parade
permits
well
well,
they
needed
to
quote
clean
up
special
events
and
then
park
events
and
then
try
to
make
the
rules
consistent
and
all
like
that.
So
it
was
quite
a
a
bit
of
an
undertaking
of
sterling
and
heather
steve
susan.
A
Thank
you
all
for
for
efforts
on
this
and
I,
and
I
think
it
does
do
that.
It
brings
consistency.
A
You
know
it
helps
direct
people
where
they
need
to
go
for
what
kind
of,
if
event
they
want
to
have
it
honors
our
constitutional
right
to
express
ourselves
in
the
city
which
is
important,
but
does
so
in
a
a
in
a
mindset
of
keeping
everyone
safe
of
the
folks
having
the
event
and
the
folks
who
might
not
be
having
who
are
not
participating.
A
H
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
thank
heather
and
steve
and
susan
and
and
their
entire
team
as
well
as
and
julia.
I
think
I
see
on
the
call
and
others
who
were
a
part
of
this
other
department
heads
were
consulted
or
their
representatives.
H
I
think
this
was
very
collaborative
effort
and
legal
kind
of
led
the
conversation.
It
was
certainly
not
police-centric.
It
was
city-centric
and-
and
it
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
how
it's
already
been
said,
but
I'll
just
say
we
could
collapse
things,
make
it
more
efficient
and
and
make
sure
that
everybody
had
input
and
and
make
sure
that
we
do
everything
possible
to
honor
the
ability
to
to
do
these
events
safely
and
jason
and
others
have
been.
H
I
think,
heavily
involved
since
day
one
and
we're
satisfied
that
this
is
a
net
improvement
and
that
it's
a
good
step
in
in
the
right
direction
as
we
continue
to
navigate
these
challenging
circumstances.
B
Thank
you,
chief.
Any
council
member,
have
a
question
comment
suggestion
the
one
thing
that
the
mayor
mentioned
this
and
to
pick
up
on
this
a
little
bit
more,
is
that
you
know
at
city
council
meetings.
We
hear
from
citizen
complaints
how
time
we're
allowed
to
let
that
kind
of
protest
go
into
effect,
and
then
we've
also
heard
from
citizen
complaints
that
they
thought
that
their
denial
or
restrictions
on
these
assemblies
were
not
fair.
B
So
what
I'm
very
much
impressed
with
with
this
these
ordinances
is
that
it
answers
a
lot
of
those
questions
and
the
citizen
says
how
come
that
is
allowed.
We
can
clearly
say
because
of
these
ordinances,
the
way
that
they're
written
these
are
the
rules.
These
are
restrictions
of
these
ordinances
and
they're
allowed
to
assemble
it
because
see
everybody
has
a
right
to
express
themselves.
The
question
is
making
sure
that
we
do
it
in
a
manner
that's
fair
to
them
to
the
public
to
our
police
department.
B
So
we
know
exactly
what
the
rules
are
and
then,
when
someone
complains
and
says
that
shouldn't
have
happened
that
way,
we
can
look
to
this
and
say
this
is
the
way
that
it's
written
out
and
you've
got
an
appeal
process.
It's
very
clear
and
very
timely
on
addressing
that
as
well.
Councilmember
saccharin.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
do
have
a,
I
guess.
A
question
for,
for
the
chief,
more
of
a
tactical
question
regarding
the
open,
carry
training,
so
is,
is
the
the
impetus
behind
that,
so
I
I've
been
down
to
to
to
white
point
guardians
and
down
and
seeing
folks
walking
around
with
a
weapon.
So
if
someone
is
walking
around
with
a
weapon
is,
is
the
thought
that
we
can
then
confiscate
that
weapon
arrest
them
like?
How
does
that
work?
What
does
that
look
like.
H
So
the
new
open
carry
law
which
takes
effect
on
august
15th
is
something
that
we're
still
actually
doing:
research
on
working
with
the
state,
criminal
justice
academy
and
others
to
make
sure
that
we
incorporate
there's
a
lot
of
case
law
behind
it.
But
the
simple
answer
is
that
those
people
that
can
that
have
a
concealed
weapon
permit
today
can
in
the
future,
carry
if
they
have
a
permit.
They
can
carry
openly.
H
However,
as
the
mayor
alluded
to
their
in
the
way
that
the
law
is
written,
it
allows
for
the
local
ordinances
and
local
jurisdictions
municipalities
to
have
some
restrictions,
and
this
would
be
one
of
them.
So
for
a
protest
event,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
have
an
open
carry,
and
the
mayor
has
incorporated
that
into
our
conversation.
H
It's
incorporated
into
this
ordinance
and
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
for
all
the
right
reasons,
and
and
we've
tried
to
find
the
right
balance
to
make
sure
that,
obviously
we
don't
go
sideways
of
the
constitution,
that
we
don't
go
sideways
with
the
state
laws
that
have
been
enacted.
Now
it's
going
to
be
a
really
challenging
circumstance
otherwise,
but
for
permanent
and
end
events
that
fit
this
ordinance.
H
G
Question
for
for
rom
legal
do
we
have
any
existing
challenges
to
the
current
ordinance
and,
if
so,
how
many.
D
I
Yes,
sir,
I
just
want
to
commend
all
of
our
staff
for
coming
up
with
these
and
being
ahead
of
the
game.
I
know
that
our
city
has
taken
a
stance
that
we're
not
excited
about
this
open
carry
law.
I
However,
you
know
as
a
subsidiary
of
our
state
government,
when
our
state
legislator
passes
something
we
have
to
implement
it,
and
there
are
many
people
in
our
city
that
follow
good
gun
safety
and
I'm
one
of
those
people
I
have
my
concealed
weapons
permit
took
a
class,
and
there
are
many
other
people
out
there
like
me
that
practice
good
proper
gun
safety,
but
when
we
have
an
event
that
could
have
two
polar
opposite
groups
that
are
out
there
protesting
it.
I
Just
isn't
a
good
idea
to
have
a
have
a
weapon
out
there,
and
I
I
hope
that
our
citizens
will
see
that
this
is
a
common
sense
approach
to
making
sure
that
everybody
stays
safe.
While
you
exercise
that
freedom
of
assembly,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
checked
with
the
the
attorneys
up
in
allen
wilson's
office,
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
going
to
be
any
issues
with
our
amendments
and
our
new
laws
and
make
sure
that
they're
not
contradictory
to
this
state
law.
I
F
Yeah,
I
can,
I
can
answer
it
as
it
pertains
to
the
open,
carry
with
training
the
language
that
appears
in
our
ordinances
is
taken
from
the
state
statute
and
basically,
what
we
put
in
our
ordinance
is
a
restatement
of
state
law,
so
it
is
completely
consistent
with
what
they
what
they
wrote
and
what
authority
we
have.
We
haven't
added
anything
to
that
or
tried
to
push
the
envelope
on
that
in
any
way.
It's
basically
a
restatement
of
state
law.
A
I
that
was
a
good
answer
and
I
guess
the
issue
really
came
to
hit
me
in
the
face
a
little
bit:
councilmember
griffin,
when
I
I
got
this
sled
guidance
on
the
open,
carry
locations
and-
and
yes,
I
believe,
staff
has
done
an
excellent
job,
making
sure
we
conform.
A
You
know
the
state
house
doesn't
allow
folks
to
bring
weapons
into
the
state
house.
We
don't
allow
it
in
city,
council,
chambers
or
city
offices,
so
you
just
extend
that
and
I
think
just
from
a
public
safety
now
that
it
is
legal
to
with
permit
to
to
open
carry.
You
know
where
you
can
visibly
see
a
weapon
that,
for
you
know,
a
spiletto
concert
or
any
festival
where
large
numbers
of
people
are
gathered
in
public
spaces.
B
Mr
mayor
captain
brood,
I
think
you
had
your
hand
up
a
moment
ago.
You
wish
to
comment.
J
Yes,
sir,
just
for
a
minute,
you
know
regarding
the
first
amendment
demonstration
ordinance,
you
know
I
talk
to
just
about
every
one
of
these
organizers
for
these
events,
when
I
do
get
a
permit-
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
they'll
appreciate
as
well,
because
most
of
every
one
of
them
wants
to
have
a
safe
and
peaceful
event,
and
they
want
to
know
the
guidelines
for
which
to
do
that.
J
So
I
think,
like
thanks
to
the
team,
this
is
going
to
help
our
group
a
lot
in
reviewing
these
and
having
discussions
with
with
organizers.
But
I
I
think
it's
something.
That's
that's
wanted
from
both
sides,
if
you
will
not
only
to
make
it
clear
for
the
city
as
to
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
also
on
the
organizer
side
of
what
they
need
to
do
and
if
they
want
to
have
a
larger
event
how
to
go
about
doing
that
and
that's
through
the
special
events
side.
I
Yes,
sir,
I
just
want
to
say,
mr
mayor,
I
completely
agree
with
you
on
the
open
carry
part.
You
know
public
safety.
When
you
see
somebody
walking
around
a
festival
or
a
city
park
with
the
open
carrier,
then
that
that
could
be
a
sense
of
of
scaring
somebody.
But
can
we
get
some
clarification?
I
think
chief
reynolds
mentioned
that
a
cwp
holder
would
still
be
able
to.
I
Conceal
carry
that
weapon.
Can
we
get
some
clarification
as
to
a
cwp
holder,
whether
or
not
they'll
be
able
to
conceal
their
weapon
is,
or
is
this
just
directly
related
to
open,
carry.
F
It's
just
related
to
open
carry,
so
the
state
statute
says
that
we
have
the
authority
to
temporarily
restrict
the
open
carry
of
firearms,
so
that
would
not
only
be
handguns
or
concealable
weapons.
That
would
also
include
long
guns
at
these
permitted
events,
but
it
does
not
mention
concealed
carry
so
I
believe,
that's
still.
B
We're
very
fortunate
in
this
country,
with
with
our
our
bill
of
rights,
but
with
that
freedom
comes
also
responsibility,
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
trying
to
codify
here
is
those
responsibilities
to
exercise
your
rights,
whether
to
carry
a
gun
to
your
symbol,
to
protest
to
march
whatever.
So
I
want
to
echo
the
comments
from
others
about
the
work
that
our
legal
staff
has
done
on
all
this
job.
Well
done,
thank
you
all
very
much.
I
I
would
entertain
a
motion
mayor.
Did
you
want
to
say
something
else?
B
A
I
just
for
clarification
and
steve,
I'm
looking
at
the
sled
guidance
that
I
was
just
referring
to,
but
according
to
this,
and
as
you
know,
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
it
does
say
that
public
and
private
employers
still
have
the
right
to
post
a
sign
that
says
no
concealable
weapons
allowed
and
that
would
apply
to
both
open,
carry
and
concealed
weapons.
One
example
would
be
coming
to
city
council
chambers,
we
we
don't,
we
scan
you
when
you
come
in.
If
you
had
a
concealed
weapon,
we
would
ask
you
to
leave.
A
F
Worth
that
is
correct,
mayor
and
and
actually
there's
a
number
of
places
you
currently
can't
bring
a
concealed
weapon
and
all
those
places
you
can't
bring
a
open,
carry
weapon
as
well,
so
government
buildings
are
places
you
can't
bring
any
kind
of
weapon.
F
Of
course
you
know
people
have
the
option
of
prohibiting
them
in
their
businesses
in
their
residences.
You
can't
bring
them
into
a
school.
You
can't
bring
them
into
a
law
enforcement
building,
a
detention
center.
So
there's
still
a
a
large.
You
know
list
of
places.
You
can't
bring
any
kind
of
weapon
weapon,
whether
it's
concealed
or
otherwise.
So
you
are
correct
with
it
all
right.
B
I
B
Yes
and
that's
councilman
gregory
seconded
that
so
we'll
call
the
vote
to
adopt
and
recommend
the
full
council
items.
Five,
six,
seven
and
eight
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
all
right?
Well,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
that
conducts
the
joint
portion
of
our
public
safety
and
recreation
committee.
I
appreciate
everybody
taking
the
time
out
in
the
middle
of
the
afternoon
to
join
us
and
to
participate
again
many
thanks
to
our
legal
staff
for
all
their
fine
work
on
putting
this
together
in
such
quick
order.
B
B
All
right
so
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
two:
this
is
approval
to
submit
an
application
for
the
2021
bja
smart
policing,
initiative,
grant
of
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
there's
no
match
for
this
grant,
so
that
a
motion
for
approval,
that's
captured
all
right.
Any
other
questions.
Discussions
about
item
number
two:
cnn:
all
those
in
favor
of
approval
item
number
two
signify
by
saying:
aye
aye,
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
item
number
three:
is
approval
to
submit
an
application
for
the
2021
bja
con
connect
and
protect
law
enforcement,
behavioral
health
response.
B
There
a
second,
mr
mayor,
second,
okay.
Any
further
discussion
asks
item
number
three
cnn:
all
those
a
failure
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye.
Okay,
item
number:
four:
is
approval
to
submit
an
application
for
the
2021
police
assistant
addiction
and
recovery
initiative.
Americorps,
there's
a
match
of
2
500
four!
Is
there
a
second,
mr
mayor?
Second,
any
further
discussion
asked
item
number
four
cnn,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
hi
and
we're
going
through
this
agenda
pretty
quickly.
I
thought
we'd
be
here
for
quite
a
while
all
right.
B
Item
number
nine
is
the
last
item
and
this
is
an
ordinance
of
men,
chapter
28
related
to
the
promotion
of
civil
sidewalks.
I
think
we've
had
this
discussion
before
as
a
certain
component
of
this
sidewalk
ordinance
and,
let's
see
if
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
it
first
and
we'll
go
to
steve
for
further
clarification.
B
F
So,
just
briefly,
the
ordinance
as
it
currently
exists
provides
that
we,
we
report
the
chief
of
police
report
to
this
committee
and
the
council,
the
effectiveness
of
the
ordinance,
and
so
we
ish
we
issued
that
report.
I
believe,
back
in
late
april,
at
the
may
public
safety
committee
meeting,
we
went
over
that
report.
F
The
second
part
of
that
was
a
a
kind
of
a
clerical
issue
where
the
market
street
between
meeting
and
king
street
is
neither
north
nor
south
market
street.
It's
just
market
street,
so
we
amended
the
ordinance
to
reflect
that
that
that
block
is
is
also
covered
in
the
ordinance,
even
though
it's
not
either
north
or
south
market
street.
F
There
was
a
provision
in
there
that
a
person
be
given
a
warning
before
they
be
issued
a
citation
and
since
the
ordinance
has
been
in
effect
a
number
of
years,
we
felt
that
it
was
no
longer
necessary
to
warn
someone
that
we
could
issue
the
citation
on
first
on
first
encounter
with
the
caveat
that
in
working
with
our
homeless
liaison
mr
jardin,
that
we
are
not
issuing
citations
or
arresting
people
on
first
offenses,
we
are
trying
to
offer
them
services
before
we.
F
We
take
the
step
of
issuing
a
citation,
but
if
it's
a
person
that
we've
seen
on
a
number
of
occasions,
we
can.
We
can
issue
that
citation
without
the
warning
and
then
the
final
provision
that
was
amended
was
that
a
second
or
subsequent
offender
can
be
put
on
trespass
notice
from
the
area
for
a
period
of
up
to
six
months.
So
if
you're
a
person
that
is
a
chronic
offender,
we
can
prohibit
you
from
that
area
where,
where
you've
gotten
your
tickets,.
B
Very
good,
thank
you
for
that.
Any
members
of
the
committee
have
a
question
for
steve
or
for
the
comment
before
I
call
the
vote.
I
we
still
have
three
council
members
who
are
not
members
of
the
committee
who
hung
around
so
I
want
to
give
them
the
opportunity
and
I'll
start
with
councilman
jackson
that
you
have
any
comments
or
questions.
K
B
Okay,
very
good,
councilmember
griffin.
Do
you
wanted
to
hang
around
yes
yeah.
I
I
I've
been
I've,
been
getting
videos
of
some
of
our
sidewalks
on
king
street
over
the
past
week,
and
the
lines
outside
that
are
blocking
up.
The
sidewalks
are
still
outrageous,
even
with
the
provisions
that
have
been
made
with
the
mobile
food
vendors,
but
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
some
more
discussion
on
that,
and
I
would
love
it
if
at
a
subsequent
public
safety
meeting,
if
we
could
get
that
back
on
there
to
get
an
update
just
how
that
process
has
worked
out.
I
The
line
outside
of
the
establishments
starting
at
eight
o'clock
at
night
until
three
or
four
o'clock
in
the
morning
is
still
excessive,
so
I
would
love
an
opportunity
to
share
that
with
y'all
and
hopefully
at
our
next
public
safety
meeting.
Mr
chairman,
maybe
you
can
get
that
on
there
to
get
an
update
on
how
that
process
has
worked.
I
Yes,
that's
mostly
the
complaints.
Yes,
sir.
I
know
that's
a
little
different
than
this.
This
emit
these
amendments,
but
it
just
popped
up
into
my
brain,
as
you
were
talking
about
it
that
that's
something
else
that
there's
a
lot
of
blocking
of
the
sidewalks
from
these
establishments
still.
B
Yeah,
I
I've
noticed
that
as
well,
so
we
can
put
that
on
the
agenda
for
some
discussion
next
time.
Maybe
get
some
more
input
from
legal
staff
about
that.
Mr.
A
Mayor,
so
I
was
just
going
to
share
that
the
planning
department
and
legal
and
police
I'm
sure
are
involved
as
well.
Are
I've
been
reviewing
line
by
line
the
late
night
ordinance
that
that
covers
the
rules
for
what
councilmember
griffin
is
is
referring
to
here?
So
I'm
not
sure
their
schedule
and
what
committee
they
were
planning
on
bringing
that
to,
but.
A
B
Glad
to
have
the
company
all
right,
we
have
not
called
for
the
vote
on
this
last
item.
All
those
in
favor
of
approving
item
number
nine
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
the
eyes.
How
many
opposed
the
eyes
haven't
all
right.
Well
again,
thank
you
for
those
members
who
came
from
the
other
committee
to
join
in
and
participate
councilman
sacrament,
we
miss
the
s
team
of
saccharin,
shealy,
shead
and
susan.
So
we're
glad
to
see
you
back
over
here
joining
us.
We
have
a
real
estate
meeting.
B
So
thank
you
all
right.
We
have
a
real
estate
meeting
chief
courier,
I
saw
you
are
on
here
earlier
anything
that
you
need
to
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
committee
before
we
adjourn.
B
Always
glad
to
have
my
chiefs
around
fill
us
in
all
right,
steve
reynolds.
Thank
you
count.
Yes,
ma'am.
K
Sorry,
as
you
were,
introducing
the
chief
it
just
occurred
to
me,
I
I
would
just
like
to
thank
the
the
fire
department,
the
fire
marshal
in
particular
working
with
our
zoning
compliance
team
and
livability.
K
As
those
as
those
enforcement
officers
know,
we
we
finally
got
to
court
one
of
the
establishments
that
operates
way
south
on
james
island
in
a
neighborhood.
That's
a
long-standing
african-american
settlement
community
and
they
are
being,
I
would
say,
plagued
by
just
the
popularity
of
two
establishments
that
are
right
there
on
folly
and
battery
island
drive.
K
So
I
you
know,
no
one
wants
to
stop
free
enterprise,
but
definitely
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
to
be
questioning
the
that
the
the
establishments
for
the
way
that
they're
occupying
their
space.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
dedication-
and
I
know
it's
just
a
royal
pain
to
get
down
on
folly
road
over
a
weekend
as
the
beach
traffic
clogs
up
every
avenue.
So
I
really
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.