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Joint Committee on Recreation and Committee on Special Facilities 12/19./22
B
Oh
I'm,
sorry
I,
didn't
realize
I
was
muted
all
right.
Thank
you.
I'd
like
to
call
this
joint
meeting
of
the
special
facilities
committee
and
the
committee
on
Recreation
to
order
for
December
19
2022
on
this
chilly
afternoon
in
December,
the
last
meeting
of
the
year
for
both
of
these
committees
and
the
start
of
a
few
cold
days
ahead.
But
we
do
have
a
very
busy
meeting
agenda.
B
So
I
appreciate
you
being
here
on
time
and
I
know
that
this
is
a
busy
time
for
a
lot
of
you
with
Christmas
coming
this
week
and
those
of
you
who
run
a
business
have
about
eight
working
days
left
of
the
year
for
your
year
and
goal.
So
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
be
part
of
this
very
important
meeting
for
the
City
of
Charleston.
B
Like
I,
said
it's
a
joint
meeting,
special
facilities
and
Recreation
and
just
to
run
down
our
members,
so
you'll
know
who's
on
which
committee
for
special
facilities,
the
Vice
chairman,
is
Stephen
Bowden,
Carl,
Brady,
Peter,
shade
Jason,
sacker
and
Robert
Mitchell
for
recreation.
The
vice
chair
is
William,
Dudley
Gregory,
and
we
have
Jason
sacker
and
Caroline
Parker
and
Stephen
Bowden
on
that
one
as
well.
B
B
D
B
E
Thank
you
chairman
afternoon,
everybody
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
introduce
Romaine
Hayward
Romaine
Hayward
is
the
city's
new
special
facilities
director,
as
of
earlier
this
month.
For
those
of
you
who
may
not
know
remain,
Romaine
has
been
with
the
city
for
over
20
years.
She
has
experience
working
in
the
gillyard
prior
to
its
renovation.
She
worked
in
the
office
of
cultural
Affairs
and,
most
recently
has
been
the
operations
manager
at
the
doc
Street
Theater
for
the
last
eight
and
a
half
years.
B
F
B
B
E
Thanks
chairman,
yes,
as
was
just
stated,
this
is
an
amendment
to
section
20
through
22-24,
the
municipal
code.
All
this
change
is
doing
is
moving
the
municipal
golf
course
from
a
management
perspective,
from
reporting
to
the
director
of
recreation
to
under
the
special
facilities
director
under
bfrc.
It
does
not
change
anything
from
a
operation
structure.
It's
obviously
still
a
municipal
golf
course.
A
A
Did
I
moved
to
defer
this
and
I've
for
several
reasons?
One
I've
talked
with
you
about
it.
Once
I
saw
this
on
our
agenda
and
I've
chatted
with
Bobby
Collins
instead
of
my
colleagues
on
on
this
committee,
I
disagree
with
the
way
the
match
had
just
categorized.
This
I
think
this
is
gonna,
have
a
huge
impact
on
how
the
golf
course
is
being
managed.
The
mirrors
appointed
me
and
councilmember
Parker
on
the
golf
commission.
This
was
never
brought
to
my
knowledge
in
front
of
the
golf
Commission.
A
A
This
is
a
recreation
facility
for
the
citizens
of
our
community
and
I.
Think
I
understand
what
the
friends
of
the
muni
and
other
folks
have
been
pushing
us
want
to
try
to
accomplish,
but
I
think,
probably
before
we
get
this
to
this
joint
committee,
to
decide
to
move
it
from
Recreation
to
the
budget
of
finance
and
revenue.
Some
other
discussion
needs
to
be
had
amongst
the
folks
who
are
involved
in
doing
this.
So
I
like
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
A
A
A
A
B
G
G
G
You
know,
and
you
know,
since
we
did
the
multi-million
dollar
improvements
to
the
course
and
it's
getting
so
much
use
and
more
improvements
are
anticipated
with
the
Pavilion
and
upgrade
of
the
clubhouse
that
it's,
it
seems
to
to
us
that
it's
it
a
little
business
side
of
the
house
needs
to
report,
to
special
facilities
and
to
budget
and
finance,
not
so
much
the
recreation
side
of
things.
So
there
I
just
highlight
that
distinction
and
and
I
welcome.
G
B
B
I
mean
that
is
the
primary
focus
of
that,
although
we
are
bringing
in
some
people
to
the
municipal
golf
course
right
now
that
come
in
to
visit
the
City
of
Charleston
and
pay
a
good
bit
more
to
play
golf
than
our
than
our
local
people
that
live
here
so,
but
the
whole
idea
is
to
keep
it
affordable
for
our
constituents
and
and
make
it
a
recreational
piece
for
the
people
that
live
here
in
the
City
of
Charleston
and
around
the
city.
So
any
other
any
other
discussion
on
this.
B
If
not
all
in
favor
of
deferral,
please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
so
we'll
defer
it
until
the
probably
till
until
next
month,
so
I
think
that'll
I
think
that'll
give
us
enough
time
to
to
be
able
to
come
back
in
January
and
and
have
this
discussion
once
again
with
with
a
little
more
information.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you.
B
E
So,
as
many
of
you
are
probably
well
aware,
the
city
entered
into
a
lease
agreement
with
the
South
Carolina
Aquarium
to
lease
a
portion
of
the
Maritime
Center,
primarily
the
ground
floor,
Bay,
Area
and
they're,
going
to
obviously
do
some
renovations
to
that
area.
The
entire
building
to
be
completely
honest,
but
primarily
that
area
as
well
as
build
an
addition
or
planned
Edition
of
where
the
ice
machine
is
currently
housed.
E
The
Bay
Area
that
exist
today
is
going
to
be
transition
turned
into
more
of
an
education
learning
center.
The
aquarium
has
recently
received
a
sizable
donation
from
Boeing
and
as
a
part
of
that
donation
and
and
just
everyone
knows,
Brian
Brasher
and
Griffin
mulley
and
Griffin
I
apologize,
I
hope,
that's
the
correct
pronunciation
of
your
last
name.
Yes,
sir
they're
with
us
today
to
answer
any
questions,
but
part
of
what
has
been
I
think
discussed
is
some
naming
to
that
learning.
E
Lab
area,
specifically
at
The,
Maritime,
Center
I,
think
it's
being
proposed,
is
the
Boeing
learning
Labs
at
The,
Maritime,
Center
and
as
the
way
I
understand
it,
it's
going
to
be
some
small
signage
above
the
doors
and
maybe
on
some
weather
apparatus,
but
again
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
that.
Why
we
primarily
wanted
to
bring
this
to
you
all
was
because,
while
the
lease
agreement
does
discuss
signage
in
general
having
to
go
through
bar
for
review,
it
does
not
discuss
naming
rights
of
any
any
shape
or
form.
E
H
H
I
can
show
you
some
visual
representations
of
of
what
we
were
thinking,
but
just
a
reminder,
we're
in
the
conceptual
phase,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
is
just
kind
of
our
first
run
at
some
ideas
that
we
still
need
to
work
with
both
the
city
and
Boeing
on
so
Griffin.
If
you
want
to
give
a
quick
overview,
yes,.
D
Sir
thanks
Brian
and
thanks
everyone
for
having
me
as
Brian,
said,
I'm
the
aquariums
corporate
and
institutional
giving
officer
so
I
work
with
our
corporate
Partners
through
you
know
and
handle
our
corporate
fundraising.
But
for
those
of
you
that
are
not
familiar
with
the
this
project,
that's
correct.
We
are
moving
our
education
program,
specifically
our
school
programs,
into
this
facility
in
the
next
few
years.
D
Right
now,
as
any
of
you
that
have
kids
probably
know,
we
have
a
core
standards,
K-12
curriculum
school
program
that
allows
kids
from
across
the
state
to
come
into
the
aquarium
and
experience
marine
life
and
and
Wildlife,
and
learn
additional
stem
topics
that
tie
into
their
Year's
curriculum.
But
as
it
stands
with
their
current
capacity,
we
only
have
two
classrooms
downstairs
at
the
aquarium.
D
On
the
first
floor
and
as
a
result,
we
have
to
turn
away
two
students
for
every
three
that
apply,
which
is
a
shame,
and
that
leads
us
to
to
The
Maritime
Center,
where
we're
going
to
have.
You
know
those
four
classroom
spaces
once
it's
all
renovated
and
an
outdoor
space
to
have
some
experiential
learning,
which
is
going
to
let
us
go
from
about
6
500
kids.
Each
year
served
through
school
programs
to
close
to
thirteen
thousand
I'm,
providing
a
ton
of
new
opportunities
for
students
across
the
state.
H
B
B
H
This
will
be
a
little
bit
of
a
close-up
to
the
area
above
the
door.
Again,
this
is
going
to
be
the
main
entrance
kind
of.
If
you
go
through
these
doors,
the
only
place
that
you
can
access
is
the
learning
lab
area.
So
it's
specific
to
our
demised
space
in
in
the
building.
This
way
finding
sign
here,
I'll
show
you
a
little
bit
about
more
about
that
here
in
a
second,
but
that's
gonna
be
a
weather
poll.
H
It's
kind
of
got
a
it's
going
to
have
a
wind
turbine,
and
maybe
some
solar
panels
on
it
to
power
some
weather
information
that
revolves
around
Maritime.
So
far,
the
creative
department
for
the
aquarium
and
working
with
Boeing
we've
come
up
with
two
different
options:
option
A
is
going
to
be
a
full
color
logo
and
we've
kind
of
presented
this
stuff
to
Boeing.
But
it's
very
early
and
I
will
say
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
this
being
called
the
Boeing
learning
lab.
There's
potential
for
that.
H
But
I
really
feel
like
it's
going
to
be
something
more
like
what
you
see
on
the
screen
here:
learning
lab
sponsored
by
or
or
something
this
is
a
logo
representation
and
Below
I've
got
a
text
representation
of
the
two
ideas
that
we
have
again.
This
has
to
be
vetted
through
Boeing's
branding,
department
and
and
the
city
as
well.
We
all
have
to
be
on
the
same
page.
We
understand
that
this
is
what
it
may
look
like,
and
this
gives
kind
of
a
better
view
of
that
weather
poll
type
signage
that
I
was
talking
about.
H
You
can
see
what
the
what
the
logoed
signage
may
look
like
and
again
if
we
were
to
go
with
just
the
area
above
this
door
in
front
of
the
building
you
can
see
if
we
were
to
place,
maybe
some
sort
of
sponsored
by
Boeing
logo
underneath
it
what
it
may
look
like.
Okay,
still
representing
Charleston
Maritime
Center
here
on
the
way
finding
weather
poll
signage.
H
And
then
options
option
A
for
the
rear
of
the
building,
where
we
have
a
back
door,
which
is
similar
to
the
front
door.
But
we're
would
have
something
above
that
as
well
just
indicating
that
that's
the
learning
lab
entrance
also
thinking
about
these
waves,
if
you,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
aquarium
and
the
stainless
steel
waves
that
we
have
on
the
outside
of
the
building
from
original
construction
kind
of
the
same
as
the
waves
that
are
on
the
parking
garage
except
they're
embossing.
H
If
I
scroll
down
this
would
be
more
of
what
a
text
version
would
look
like
again:
learning
Labs
sponsored
by
the
Boeing
Company
and
what
that
may
look
like
on
the
way
finding
weather
station.
You
can
see.
We
have
it
right
here
as
well
as
South
Carolina
Aquarium,
showing
again
Charleston,
Maritime
Center
being
the
main
signage
and
what
that
may
look
like
on
the
entrance
to
the
building,
at
least
to
our
portion
of
it
again.
The
back
door,
foreign.
H
We're
just
looking
to
name
our
space
more
than
anything
and
not
rename
the
building.
We
want
to
preserve
that.
We
really
feel
strongly
about
the
history
of
the
Maritime
Center
we
want
to.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
that
stays
and-
and
we
want
to
pull
as
much
theming
as
we
can
in
around
the
maritime
industry,
into
our
design
and
protecting
the
Integrity
of
the
architecture
of
the
building
so
and
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
and
I'm
open
to
questions
I
can
answer
those
as
best
as
I
can.
G
Problem
first,
if
I
made
a
quick
question
for
Matt
frolick
and
then
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment:
Matt,
isn't
it
true
that
there'd
be
other
use?
Of
course,
the
City
of
Charleston
is
going
to
maintain
our
Maritime
Center
usage
in
a
small
way
in
a
building
with
some
office
and
showers
or
or
a
laundry,
and
then
we'll
be
operating
the
docks
as
well.
But
did
we
finalize
an
agreement
that
the
African-American
Museum
might
use
a
portion
of
the
building
as
well.
E
So
yes,
and
no
man,
so
the
original
mou
still
contemplates
the
I
am
having
rights
to
certain
portions
of
the
building
yeah
we
have.
However,
it
was.
It
was
kind
of
a
three-party
agreement
between
the
city,
the
the
aquarium
and
The
iam,
and
it
was
an
mou
that
kind
of
parsed
the
building
out
and
contemplated
future
lease
agreements.
We
have
done
the
lease
agreement
with
the
aquarium.
We
have
not
done
the
lease
agreement
yet
with
the
IAM.
The
IM
has
been
so
focused
on
getting
the
museum
completed
and
up
that.
E
G
So
so
I
would
just
add
my
my
thoughts
here
that
I
think
it's
fine
to
allow
the
aquarium
what
they're
requesting
here
to
naming
rights,
if
you
will
to
that
portion
of
the
building
that
they're
going
to
be
using
and,
of
course,
investing
a
lot
of
money
in
but
I
would
suggest,
and
maybe
Brian
Griffin
y'all
y'all
can
help
kind
of
lead.
This
effort
is
that
you
mentioned
the
word.
G
Wayfinding
is
to
help
us
design
a
package
that
would
include
not
just
your
space
but
the
other
uses
of
the
facility,
so
that
you
know
the
I
mean
the
docks
are
obvious,
pretty
obvious
distinction,
but
you
know
there
might
be
a
cafe
I
think
on
the
end
of
the
building.
Maybe
African-American
museum
has
a
little
use.
There's
a
city
of
Charleston
office
associated
with
Maritime
Center,
so
that
we
have
a
coordinated
signage
package.
G
H
G
B
E
I
mean
technically
speaking,
I
guess
is
a
good
question
for
legal
I
mean
the
the
agreement.
The
lease
agreement
allows
for
signage,
it
doesn't
necessarily
say
naming
rights,
I.
Guess
it's
a
question
of
how
we
want
to
view
this,
and
if,
if
we
want
to
view
this
as
naming
rights,
it
doesn't
exist
in
the
lease
agreement,
then
maybe
action
needs
to
be
taken.
I,
don't
know,
Julia
thoughts.
G
I'll
be
glad
to
make
a
motion.
I
know.
There
was
one
instance
on
another
city
property
where
some
naming
rights
got
done
and
we
kind
of
found
out
about
it
after
the
fact
so
I'm
I'm
glad
they
came
to
us
to
ask
our
permission.
If,
if
it
helps
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
South
Carolina
Aquarium
to
be
able
to
include
the
name
of
their
sponsor
the
Boeing
Company
on
their
their
premises,
their
lease
premises
at
The,
Maritime,
Center,.
I
B
Okay,
the
eyes
have
it
then,
so
that's
a
a
unanimous
eye
out
of
both
committees,
I
believe
so.
Thank
you
for
that
I
appreciate
it
anything
else
with
learning
Labs
before
we
move
forward
well,
Brian
and
Griffin.
Thank
you
very
much
for
taking
some
time
with
us
today
and
we
appreciate
it
and
appreciate
all
that
you
do
and
certainly
appreciate,
Boeing
and
in
this
generous
donation
that
they've
given
us,
it's
very
nice
to
have
a
great
company
partnership.
So
so,
thank
you
very,
very
much
for
that
and.
H
B
You
thank
you
all
right
so
up
next
we
have
a
presentation
on
the
Bradham
Road
Park
property.
Patrick
Moore,
with
the
open
space
institutes
with
us.
I
know
that
councilman,
Gregory
and
I
have
both
been
out
there
and
I
know
that
councilman
appell.
If
he
hasn't
been
out
there,
he
knows
everything
about
it,
but
I
think
he's
been
out
there
as
well
and
he's
he's
joining
us.
B
J
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
and
good
afternoon.
Everyone
I
appreciate
your
Collective
time
this
afternoon.
My
name
is
Patrick
Moore
I'm,
a
senior
project
manager
for
the
open
space
Institute
here
to
discuss
an
exciting
opportunity
to
expand
James
Island
County
park
by
25
acres
before
I,
get
into
the
details
of
the
transaction.
I
just
want
to
really
briefly
touch
on
who
the
open
space
Institute
is
some
of
you
know
about
us,
and
some
of
you
probably
don't
for
those
of
you
who
don't.
We
are
the
fee,
simple
public
land
people.
J
We
are
a
land
trust,
but,
unlike
the
other
land
trust
that
you're
probably
familiar
with,
we
do
not
hold
conservation
easements
in
South
Carolina,
we
buy
land
and
we
make
it
public.
We
use
every
available
pot
of
public
money,
local
state
and
federal
to
get
that
land
into
the
appropriate
jurisdiction,
whether
it
be
a
county
park,
State,
DNR
or
a
national
park.
You
can
see
the
green
dots
on
the
map
are
closed
projects.
J
The
blue
dots
are
open
projects
for
a
total
of
about
60
000
Acres
over
the
last
seven
years,
and
because
this
is
what
we
do
all
day,
we
frequently
hear
from
Sellers
and
landowners
who
think
that
their
land
would
make
a
good
addition
to
the
public
Realm.
Sometimes
it
does,
and
sometimes
it
doesn't
and
we're
excited
that
this
one
does
in
our
humble
opinion-
and
we
hope
you
agree
before
just
last
week-
Charleston
County,
Parks
and
Recreation
Commission
voted
to
accept
this
tract
as
part
of
James
Island
County
Park.
J
So
just
getting
everybody
situated
I
think
everybody
probably
knows
exactly
what
we're
talking
about.
We'll
move
to
the
good
old
Charleston
County
website
tax
map.
032
is
what
we're
talking
about
here.
This
the
Eastern
side
is
where
the
dead
end
of
Bradham
road
comes
or
the
property
begins
and
right
when
you
come
onto
the
property,
there's
an
open
area
of
usable
opland
and
the
Eastern
end
of
a
large
pond
that
runs
the
length
of
the
property
down
to
this
float
construct
flow
control
structure.
J
The
whole
property
was
mined
for
usable
sand
for
a
road
project
decades
ago.
So
those
of
you
that
have
been
there
can
attest
to
the
fact
that
when
you're,
there
you're
a
little
bit
lower
than
the
neighboring
properties
you're
along
the
pond,
the
whole
time-
and
you
feel
like
you're
a
lot
further
away
from
the
world
than
you.
You
actually
are,
as
you
make
your
way
west
there's
a
dirt
road
that
runs
along
the
south
southern
boundary
of
the
property.
J
There's
a
couple
of
fingers
of
usable
Uplands
that
stick
out
into
the
pond
and
then
a
large
area
of
usable
Upland.
Here
it
isn't
obvious,
but
it
does
connect
right
here,
so
you
could
recreationally
paddle
or
navigate
all
the
way
down
to
this
flow
control
structure,
and
this
is
a
large
usable
area
of
Upland
as
well.
J
There
is
a
second
Pawn,
we
call
the
Western
Pond
here
and
it
does
not
have
a
flow
control
structure
or
anything
that
allows
the
in
and
out
of
the
tide
on
a
daily
basis,
and
it
just
accepts
the
rainfall
from
this
small
area
right
here.
So
it's
more
of
a
freshwater
recreational
fishing
opportunity,
whereas
there
is
salt
water
coming
out
of
it
is
definitely
a
brackish
Pond.
You
can
drive
really
well
to
about
here
and
then
walk
out
here
to
an
island.
J
J
Murray
was
saying
Elementary
and
I'm.
Sure
you
all
know
is
right
here,
there's
an
existing
sidewalk
connection
to
gratom
Road
from
Mary
lasane.
So
on
day,
one
you've
got
a
walkable
Marsh
classroom
from
the
school
and
there
are
funded
plans
to
build
a
sidewalk
from
the
entrance
to
James
Island
County
Park
to
Bradham
Road
in
2023..
J
So
there
will
be
a
pedestrian
connection
to
the
main
unit
of
the
park.
Despite
the
intervening
Tara
Brook
and
052
parcel
here,
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
the
transaction
25
acres,
eight
of
those
are
Upland
non-critical
area
Acres,
a
letter
of
intent.
Purchase
price
is
1.5
million
dollars
with
an
appraisal
of
4.2
million,
so
a
significant
bargain
sale.
The
survey
is
complete
and
under
review
by
the
county.
The
phase
one
environmental
site
assessment
showed
no
recommended
or
recognized
environmental
conditions.
J
J
The
proposed
funding
structure
for
the
tract
involves
a
1.25
million
dollar
request
to
the
South
Carolina
conservation
bank
that
would
go
in
January
and
then
a
250
000
request
to
the
Greenbelt
Urban
Greenbelt
from
the
city
of
Charleston.
This
is
the
concept,
and
this
is
an
informational
presentation,
I'm
not
requesting
any
action,
but
that
is
the
thinking.
This
tract
checks
a
lot
of
boxes
for
both
of
those
funding
sources
pass
immediate
passive
water-based
or
water
access.
Public
Recreation
are
both
focuses
of
both
of
those
funds.
J
There
was
a
city
project
in
Woodland
Shores
that
this
reminds
me
of
where
there's
a
storm
water
component
and
a
passive
public
Recreation
component.
When
the
water
comes
up
from
the
Riverside
and
down
from
the
rainfall
side.
This
is
where
the
water
goes
so
making
sure
that
can
still
happen
in
perpetuity
is
important
from
the
resilient
side
as
well.
J
I
want
to
just
kind
of
show
you
some
pictures,
starting
at
this
bottom
left
corner.
If
you
went
to
the
end
of
Bradham
Road
and
then
went
straight
up
in
the
air.
This
is
your
view.
This
is
Tara
Brook
over
here
cops.
You
see.
This
is
where
the
island
with
the
little
crabbing
dock
is,
and
then
this
is
the
other
boundary.
This
is
the
Eastern
end
of
the
pond.
J
Looking
all
the
way
down
the
pond,
and
then
these
trees
are
right
here
on
this
picture
and
you
can
see
the
Western
Pond
here
and
the
walkway.
All
the
way
out
to
the
island
duck
is
on
the
right
is
my
11
year
old,
passive
Recreation
tester.
She
approves
she's
in
the
top
of
the
pantry,
that's
at
the
very
end
of
the
trail
here
on
the
small
island.
J
C
A
Chairman,
yes,
sir
councilman
shade
yeah
I,
I
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
councilmember
gray,
who
got
ahead
of
me,
but
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
his
comments
as
well,
but
we
are
liking
so
much
and
access
to
water
for
our
city
residents,
so
any
opportunity
that
we
can
have
to
provide
water
access.
I
mean
considering
how
many
rivers
border
are
around
our
borders
of
the
city
and
the
lack
of
access
we
have
for
crabbing
and
fishing
kayaking
canoeing
boating
of
any
sort
is
dismal.
A
So
this
is
just
a
wonderful
opportunity,
I'm
sure,
there's
a
lot
of
history
behind
this
track
and
the
usage
that
it
has
had
over
over
time.
So
I'm
fully
supportive
of
doing
this.
This
is
a
great
opportunity.
It
looks
a
beautiful
one
out
there.
I
haven't
been
on
this
particular
part
of
the
expansion,
but
I
know
this
area
well,
and
it's
just
I
think
that
aerial
is
a
great
visual
visual
point
of
view
for
all
of
us
to
absorb
so
good
job
and
let's
support
this
thing
fully.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Patrick.
Thank
you
so
much
and
let
me
ask
a
question
and
then
I.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
want
to
ask
you
about
another
site,
so
my
understanding
is
that
the
open
space
Institute
would
own
the
property
and
it
would
be
managed
by
the
Charleston
County
Parks
Recreation
Commission,
but
the
city
is
just
contributing
to
the
purchase.
Isn't
that
correct.
J
That
that's
almost
exactly
correct
the
Charleston,
County,
Parks
and
Recreation
Commission
would
own
and
operate
the
tract,
and
it
looks
like
we'll
be
able
to
bring
all
the
funds
to
the
closing
table
so
that
it
will
be
able
to
go,
be
able
to
go
directly
from
the
seller
to
the
commission.
If
there
was
a
need
for
OSI
to
take
intervening
title,
we
would
certainly
do
that.
Okay,.
G
G
G
The
municipal
golf
course
that
we're
just
speaking
about
a
little
bit
ago,
there's
a
few
Parcels
there
that
now
that,
particularly
since
the
renovation
of
the
golf
course,
the
Vista
is
just
wide
open
and
it's
beautiful,
looking
out
over
the
Stono
River,
even
while
you're
on
the
golf
course
or
when
you're
just
driving
out
there,
but
just
beyond
whatever
hole
that
is
as
you're
heading
out
Maybank
on
the
right.
There's
some
lots
that
are
owned
by
a
Baptist
Church
and
they
they're
interested
in
selling
the
property.
G
And
everybody
just
assumes
it's
open
space
that
it's
public
open
space,
but
in
fact
the
church
owns
it
and
if
they
were
to
sell
it
to
someone
else,
you
know
something
could
get
built
on
it
and
we
would
like
for
the
for
the
public
and
for
the
for
the
golf
course
to
to
maintain
that
permanently
as
open
space.
And
if
that's
something
that
y'all
could
help
us
with.
I
sure
would
like
to
follow
up.
Have
a
follow-up
conversation
with
you
about.
J
I
J
G
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
know
I'm,
not
on
this
committee,
so
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
attend
and
offer
some
brief
remarks
on
this.
I
just
think
this
is
a
fantastic
collaboration
between
OSI,
the
City
of
Charleston
infrastructure,
Bank
I'm,
sorry,
the
conservation
bank
and
Charleston
County.
To
make
this
happen,
and
you
know
slowly
but
surely
we're
making
things
happen
with
respect
to
Parks
on
the
water.
K
K
K
This
acquisition's
taken
off
taking
development
rights
off
the
table,
because
it's
my
understanding
that
this
this
parcel
is
entitled.
So
that's
more
traffic,
that's
being
you
know,
taken
off
of
these
roads,
so
great
win-win-win.
All
the
way
around.
We
need
to
do
these
collaborations
every
opportunity
we
can
do
it
and
Patrick,
if
you
don't
mind,
maybe
shedding
some
light
on
this
I
I
understand
the
the
green
belt.
Advisory
Board
needs
to
have
some
sort
of
like
formal
approval
from
the
city
of
Charleston
by
a
certain
date.
J
Sure,
yes,
so
to
apply
for
urban
Greenbelt
funds.
You
do
need
the
approval
letter
or
support
letter
from
the
municipality
where
the
property
lies
and
whose
Green
Belt
funds
you're
proposing
to
use
that
application
is
due
January
29th,
so
a
letter
from
the
city
by
January
29th
would
be
what
we
would
need.
C
J
J
C
J
B
Yes,
sir,
any
other
questions,
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
take
action
out
of
this
committee.
It
may
come
before
councilman
appeals
committee,
maybe
on
the
next
meeting,
possibly
and
I,
think
action
can
be
taken
out
of
that
out
of
that
committee,
but
I
don't
think
we
need
anything
out
of
here.
Unless
anybody
else
says
we
do
I,
don't
believe
we
do
so,
but
thank
you
so
much
to
Patrick
Moore
for
coming
and
putting
on
a
great
presentation
explaining
this
to
us
and
yeah.
We
look.
B
All
right,
very
good
and
let's
see
next
up,
I,
have
Bart
Altman
sitting
with
me
right
now.
I
will
tell
you
that
you
you're
welcome
to
spin
around
here
I'm
having
some
issues
with
my
computer
screen
a
little
bit.
So
hopefully
this
didn't
go
out,
but
but
on
Thanksgiving
morning,
I
was
over
at
West
Ashley
Park
and
was
out
walking
my
dog
on
Thanksgiving
morning,
because
my
house
backs
up
to
West.
B
Ashley,
Park
and
I
could
hear
a
blower
going
out
in
the
out
in
the
wooded
area
out
in
the
marsh
area
of
West,
Ashley,
Park
and
I
thought
my
gosh
I
can't
believe.
We've
got
city
employees
out
here,
working
cleaning
up,
West
Ashley
Park
on
Thanksgiving
morning,
so
I
followed
the
sound
to
the
to
the
blowers
and
I
ran
into
this
guy.
That's
out
there,
blowing
I
said:
do
you
work
for
the
city
and-
and
he
said
well,
no
I'm,
just
I'm
out
here.
B
He
grew
up
here
in
West
Ashley,
and
he
and
after
talking
with
him,
I
realized
that
he
probably
has
spent
about
300
hours
or
more
in
West,
Ashley
Park
cleaning
up
just
kind
of
helping
out
making
our
making
our
disc
golf
course,
which
a
lot
of
you
may
not
even
realize
that
we
have
a
disc
golf
course
over
there,
making
it
a
little
nicer
so
that
so
that
people
could
play
there.
It's
a
little
bit
safer
from
the
wildlife,
including
the
snakes
and
things
like
that
that
are
around.
B
So
you
know,
I
got
to
talking
to
Bart
and
talking
to
him
about
the
disc
golf
and
realize
that
he's
very,
very
busy
very
involved
in
this
and
leads
up
the
disc
golf
group
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
you
know
so
I.
So
I
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
for
him
to
come.
Talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
about
the
disc
golf
program
and
about
West
Ashley
Park
and
those
types
of
things
so
so
I'm
invited
him
to
come
and
be
a
part
of
our
our
meeting
today.
B
L
You
so
much
for
having
me
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
It
seems
to
me
we're
kind
of
a
good
good
company
here,
because
y'all
were
talking
about
Golf
and
you're,
talking
about
Open
Spaces
and
that's
kind
of
what
what
I'm
talking
about
too
disc
golf
is
very
similar.
If
you
don't
know
to
just
what
we
call
Ball,
Golf
and
and
regular
golf,
you
get
normally
three
times
to
hit
your
ball
and
try
to
get
into
the
hole
and
disc
golf
is
the
same
principle.
L
L
Four
years
ago
my
daughter
died
and
I
was
just
kind
of
stuck
at
home
and
I
say
the
grief
and
I
had
some
friends
of
mine
from
a
local
church
and
they
kept
inviting
me
to
come
out
and
play
disc.
Golf
and
I
didn't
know
what
this
golf
was
and
didn't
want
to
go,
but
finally
I
did
and
it,
and
it
really
sparked
something
in
me,
and
it
helped
me
a
lot.
It
helped
me
to
get
through
this
period
of
grief
because
it
gave
me
something
else
to
focus
on.
L
It
got
me
back
outside
and
I'm
60
now
and
for
me
to
be
able
to
get
out
and
play
a
sport.
I
don't
have
to
run
and
nobody's
trying
to
tackle
me,
and
you
know
so
that
those
are
good
things
and
it,
and
it's
great
when
I
started
playing
disc
golf
about
four
years
ago.
I
live
West,
Ashley
off
of
beansberry
road
I
was
told
that
in
the
West
Ashley
parked
there
that
we
had
a
disc
golf
course
and
I
wanted
to
play
it.
So
I
went
looking
for
it.
L
I
had
a
hard
time
finding
it
and
finally,
when
I
did
find
it,
it
was
very
overgrown
and
had
just
been
apparently
abandoned.
It
looked
like
for
a
few
years.
Nobody
had
done
work
on
it,
I
contacted
the
parks
and
rec
department
and
also
contacted
the
City
of
Charleston
and,
among
other
things,
I
was
told
that
there
just
wasn't
even
a
disc
golf
course
back
there.
What
did
it,
but
it
is
it's
back
here
in
the
woods
and
it's
back
here
in
the
swamp
area.
L
We
call
the
disc
golf
course:
the
fire
swan
and
it
is
in
there
in
the
woods
of
West
Ashley
I
tried
to
get
some
help
from
the
city
and
from
Parks
and
Rec
to
get
the
course
back
to
where
we
could
play
it,
but
it
just
didn't
seem
to
be
getting
anywhere.
So
at
the
beginning
of
this
year,
I
went
out
there.
I
took
my
battery
operated
wall
blower
and
my
weed
eater
and
my
hedge
trimmer
and
I
started
at
hole.
L
Number
one
and
I
didn't
stop
until
I
got
to
the
end
of
hole,
number
18.
and
that's
taken
me
all
year
and
close
to
400
hours,
but
now
there's
a
disc
golf
course
that
people
can
go
there
and
play
again
and
people
are
playing
it
and
the
traffic's
improving
and
one
thing
traffic
does
for
that
particular
area
actually
came
for
other
areas
in
Charleston,
there's
a
particular
place
in
the
back
part
of
that
Park,
where
people
can
go
far
and
they
Park
back
there
before
and
got
into
some
illegal
activities.
L
My
opinion
some
drugs
and
prostitution.
Well,
now
that
we
have
a
disc
golf
course
back
and
running
again,
we
had
foot
traffic
coming
through
that
area.
People
who
are
doing
things
they
don't
want
people
to
see,
they
don't
want
to
be
there
anymore.
So
we
have
essentially
helped
to
clean
up
that
particular
area
like
just
having
foot
traffic
disc
golf
takes
a
very
small
footprint,
but
it
can
be
very
beneficial.
L
There
are
like
I
said
when
I
got
there,
it
was
it's
very
difficult
to
play
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
out
here.
I.
Do
have
a
few
pictures
that
I
would
just
like
if
I
can
I,
don't
know
how?
Well
you
can
see
them,
but
I
tell
you
the
picture.
If
you
can
see
the
one
that
Kevin
has
up.
This
is
a
really
good
picture,
because
this
is
an
example
of
this
just
hole.
L
It
tells
you
what
hole
you're
on
it
tells
you
the
part
and
how
far
it
is
to
the
basket
these
white
poles
that
you
see
in
the
picture
right
there
were
the
only
things
that
were
original.
They
were
four
by
four
posts
that
were
just
old
and
hard
to
see.
If
you
were
trying
to
see
them
from
a
distance,
you
really
couldn't
so
there's
36
of
those
two
for
each
the
whole
T
and
I've
gone
out
here
with
white
paint
and
got
them
painted
white.
So
you
can
see
them
in
this
picture.
L
We've
had
a
problem
because
the
dirt
out
there
that
you
will
slip
if
you're,
trying
to
throw
so
I,
went
to
the
tractor
supply
place
on
Rivers,
Avenue
and
I
bought
like
six
of
those
match,
they're
like
40
dollars,
each
but
a
guy,
not
here
some
of
the
holes,
some
of
the
ones
I
thought
were
most
likely
to
be
slippery,
and
this
picture
also
shows
and
I
wish.
I
had
a
before
thing
in
the
whole
course.
But
can
you
put
it
forward?
You
can
see
that
this
path
is
wrong.
I
G
L
Thank
you
yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
I,
don't
want
to
take
too
much
of
your
time,
so
I
won't
re-say
what
I'd
say,
but
this
is
a
picture
once
again
the
t-pad
now.
This
is
also
your
first
look
at
these
stairs
that
I'm
going
to
want
to
talk
to
you
about,
and
then
just
looking
forward
in
this
picture
is
the
only
opportunity.
I'm
gonna
have
to
show
you
what
this
looked
like
before
I
started
and
there's
another
picture
that
gives
a
better
view
of
that
path.
Just
to
show
you.
L
L
L
Correct
and
we
have
some
bridges
out
there
that
are
running
away
and
are
missing
boards,
and
these
are
the
packs
that
we
use
here
are
used
by
the
Disc
Golf
Community,
but
this
is
also
a
neighborhood
people
walking
by
these
stairs
that
are
now
being
shown
on.
The
screen
are
so
deteriorating
and
riding
and
missing
boards
that
you
can
see.
L
We've
worn
a
path
on
the
right
side
here,
where
we
use
the
roots
of
stairs
and
that
gets
a
little
slippery
coming
down,
but
he
even
that's
more
desirable
than
the
Sears
that
are
rotten
and
broken
down.
It
really
is
a
safety
pageant
on
there
and
that's
one
of
the
main
things
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
L
It
is
a
safety
issue,
it's
beyond
the
point
that
we
just
wish
it
was
fixed,
and
so
you
know,
like
I,
said
we're
out
there
in
the
in
the
swamp
in
the
in
the
woods
and
we're
really
doing
the
best
we
can
with
what
we
had
out
there,
some
of
the
things
and
he
can
have
myself,
show
you
some
of
the
pictures.
This
right
here
is
just
an
example
of
how
I
cleared
a
fairway
there's
another
picture.
L
That
pointed
the
other
way
that
showed
you
the
what
it
used
to
look
like,
but
this
is
how
I've
cleared
it.
One
of
the
problems
people
had
with
this
walkway
was:
it
was
just
afraid
of
snakes
as
they
walk
back
there
and
they're
walking
back
there
with
the
dogs.
That's
what
it
looked
like
that
right.
There
is
what
the
whole
course
looked
like
from
start
to
finish:
you
couldn't
you
barely
walk
through
there?
L
You
could
not
play
disc
golf
or
walking
dog
really
through
there
and
that's
the
only
section
that
I
haven't
done
because
it
veers
off
away
from
the
course,
but
that's
what
I've
been
working
with
for
the
past
year
and
and
as
a
general
rule
yeah
like
when
I
was
coming
up.
My
my
grandmother
taught
me
what
I
was
a
job
at
working
age.
She
said
all
work
is
Honorable
and
if
your
job
is
to
clean
toilets,
then
you
have
the
cleanest
toys
that
you
can
and
people
will
notice
and
they
will.
L
They
will
give
you
opportunities
and
with
all
due
respect.
As
far
as
city
land
goes
for
the
past
year,
I've
really
been
working
with
a
toilet
and
we've
cleaned
it
well,
and
we
appreciate
the
the
fact
that
there
is
the
land
there
and
there
are
baskets,
but
but
without
City
help
I've
I've
gone
in
there
to
prove
that
we
can
be
as
a
disc
golf
Community,
good
stewards
of
property
that
you
will
allow
us
to
use
I'm,
hoping
that
we
would
have
the
opportunity.
L
This
is
the
only
disc
golf
course
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
As
far
as
I
know-
and
it's
playable
now
and
it
would
not
have
been
otherwise
I
would
like
the
opportunity
for
the
city
to
to
find
some
Land.
Once
again,
we've
got
a
small
footprint.
We
can
work
through
the
woods.
We
can
work
in
an
open
field.
We
can
do
anything,
but
if
the
city
could
somehow
help
us
to
get
another
disc
golf
course
if
you've
got
if
we
can
get
an
18-hole
course,
that's
great.
L
If
we
don't
have
that
much
land,
let
me
have
room
for
a
nine
hole
portion,
we'll
go
around
twice,
but
we
want
and
I
said,
that's
hole,
number
one.
You
can
see
the
the
T
signs
I've
made
little
t-pass
that
I've
bought
and
put
down
there.
That's
very
typical
of
what
it
looks
like
there
used
to
be
a
disc
golf
course
in
the
city.
It's
my
understanding
at
Hampton,
Park
I
have
seen
on
YouTube
there's
a
guy
down
who's
the
best
in
the
world
and
he
played
in
the
tournament
at
Hampton
Park.
L
The
main
question
I
get
from
Charleston
disc
golfers
this
year,
I've
been
the
president
of
Charleston
disc,
golf
and
people
come
to
me
and
they
say
what
about
Hampton
Park?
Why
can't
we
get
back
in
Hampton,
Park
I
would
love
the
opportunity
we
had
I
had
my
own
baskets
to
be
able
to
set
up
a
temporary
course
and
just
to
do
a
tournament.
L
L
This
golfing
this
offers
are,
are
from
Children
of
10
years
old
to
70.
One
of
my
friends,
I
Disc
Off
with
is
75
and
I
I
can't
mean
so
there's
so
much
Community
opportunity.
Here
we
do
kids
clinics,
we
work
with
some
of
the
older
people.
I
mean
there's
just
a
lot
of
opportunity.
I
think
the
city
is
missing
and
I
wish
that
she
could
help
me
to
help
the
city
and
the
in
the
making
some
progress.
M
Do
councilmember
shealy
thank
you,
so
I
I
wanted
to
say
first
thank
you
for
all
the
help
that
you've
given
as
a
citizen,
the
backbone
of
this
City's
Parks
and
Recreation
departments,
have
been
always
handled
by
volunteers
and
and
folks,
like
you,
sir.
So
thank
you
for
giving
of
your
time
and
we
all
appreciate
it.
The
the
disc
golf
course
at
West,
Ashley
Park
is
is,
is
through
the
woods
it's
difficult
to
to
maintain,
but
you
sure
got
it
looking
nice.
So
thank
you
for
that.
M
I
can
add
that
we
do
have
a
second
disc
golf
course
on
John's
Island
at
the
Johns
Island
Park,
and
so
it
there
is
a
second
course
that
the
city
has
and
then
your
comments
about
Hampton
Park,
so
Hampton
Park
in
my
understanding,
has
never
had
a
permanent
disc
golf
course,
but
we've
we've
hosted
tournaments
there
before
the
the
Anova
company
that
has
come
in
and
and
put
in
a
permit
and
run
and
three-day
tournaments
at
Hampton
Park.
It's
a
great
venue.
It's
beautiful!
It's
got
lots
of
shade.
M
M
So
I
think
all
of
those
things
I
would
be
happy
to
work
with
you
on
the
programming
in
and
I'm
sure,
Jason
kronzberg
I,
don't
know
if
he's
on
this
call,
councilor
shilly
but
I'm
sure
he'd
be
happy
for
his
West
Ashley
Park
crew
to
work
with
it
with
you
as
well
to
help
on
the
maintenance
of
this
this
this
part
of
West
Ashley
Park.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
point
out
those
couple
of
things.
M
So
when
you
leave
his
office,
you'll
know
how
to
get
me
and-
and
we
can
look
at
the
calendar
and
see
if
there's
some
times
that
that
would
work
on
the
calendar
around
other
special
events
that
the
city
hosted
at
Hampton
Park
and
we
can
definitely
work
out.
Something
I'd
look
forward
to
doing
that
with
you.
That'd.
N
M
That's
a
great
that's
a
great
comment
sure
we
could
certainly
do
that.
Councilor
shealy.
Could
you
get
the
contact
information,
so
I
can
forward
that
on.
We've
got
a
couple
of
empty
seats
and
that
would
be
a
great
way
for
for
you
to
share
with
the
other
members
of
the
committee
who
have
some
other
activities
that
they
enjoy,
such
as
pickleball
and
swimming,
and
things
like
that.
But
that
would
get
disc
golf
out
there
on
that
Forefront
as
well.
So
that's
a
great
idea.
We,
we
can
certainly
look
to
add
at
him.
B
A
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
just
want
to
Echo
the
comments
that
Mr
Moore
is
making
about
the
growing
popularity
of
this
sport,
and
it
certainly
has,
and
so
I'm
embarrassed
by
the
condition
of
this
course.
We
need
to
do
a
better
job
and
get
into
this
thing
cleaned
up.
So
thank
you
for
your
your
work
and
on
doing
that.
A
C
O
So
I,
if
you
give
me
a
minute,
I'd
like
to
respond
a
little
bit,
you
know
everybody
knows
we're
struggling
to
keep
our
Parks
clean
and
well
maintained.
I
was
not
aware
of
these
conditions.
I've
checked
the
work
order
logs
as
we
were
all
speaking,
we
do
not
have
one
request
for
work:
order,
repairs
in
this
location.
I'm
going
to
have
my
staff
go
out
survey
the
course
it
is
in
a
wetland.
It
is
in
a
very
dark
kind
of
wet
area
that
floods
frequently.
O
My
staff
needs
to
do
a
better
job,
walking
the
disc
golf
course
and
again
we
will
create
work
orders
to
have
any
of
the
foot
Bridges
and
steps
repaired
again,
not
in
our
work
order,
request
right
now
and,
as
you
all
know,
we're
about
30
to
40
percent
down
in
Staffing.
Our
construction
crew
is
less
than
50
percent
staffed
and
it's
we
have
we're
building
new
parks
every
year.
G
So,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
thank
Bart
as
well
Mr
Altman,
thank
you
for
stepping
forward
and
sorry
about
your
loss.
So
and,
and
Jason
makes
an
interesting
point
about
the
terrain
there.
Being
a
wetland
and
I
must
say:
I'm,
it's
been
a
little
while,
since
I
played
disc
golf
Bart,
it
looks
like
a
a
very
difficult
course:
there's,
not
a
lot
of
open
Fairways
there
is
it
it's
very
tight
in
the
woods
and
then
it.
L
G
You
know
to
to
see
if,
if
there's
even
a
better
place
to
to
have
another
discourse,
I'm
I'm
thinking
off
the
top
of
my
head,
Jason,
that
that
property
off
of
61
that
we
bought
with
Greenbelt
funding,
I
think
right
before
I
before
I
became
mayor.
But
we
haven't
really
done
anything
with
the
property.
It's
about
10
acres
and
it's
a
little
more
open
than
this
and
not
wet
what
what
road
was
that
on.
M
O
K
O
C
O
C
L
I'm,
sorry
for
myself,
I
don't
seek
any
reimbursement,
I
I,
do
what
I
do
as
a
community
service
and
so
I've
chosen
to
do
this
I'm
just
trying
to
look
forward
into
the
future
see
how
can
we
move
forward
just
to
help
this
part
be
better
maintained?
And,
after
the
mayor
was
saying,
perhaps
there's
some
other
land
that
that
we
could
look
at
and
see
what
we
could
do
and
even
if
it's
not
enough
property,
like
I,
said
for
a
full
18
hole.
C
B
All
right,
any
any
other
questions
comments.
Anything
it
kind
of
wraps
up
our
committee
I,
don't
think
we
have
anything
else
on
the
agenda
unless
anyone
has
anything
else
and
if
not
for
those
oh
Council
shade,
are
you
raising
your
hand?
Are
you
saying
goodbye,
say
goodbye?
Okay,
for
those
of
you
on
city
council
I,
look
forward
to
seeing
you
tomorrow
afternoon
and
tomorrow
evening
for
those
of
you
who
are
not
on
city
council
and
will
not
be
there.