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From YouTube: City of Charleston Committee on Recreation 3/7/2022
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City of Charleston Committee on Recreation 3/7/2022
A
Okay,
great
we're,
I
think,
we're
ready
to
go
jason
or
lori,
unless
you
need
me
to
wait
on
somebody.
If
you
do
I'll
wait,
if
we're
okay,
I'll,
go
ahead
and
start
okay,
I
got
a
thumbs
up.
Jason
you're,
good,
all
right,
very
good,
all
right,
so
I
want
to
welcome
everybody
good
afternoon.
This
is
the
march
7th
2022
meeting
I'll
now
call
it
the
order
and
I'll
ask
councilman
gregory
to
lead
us
off
with
a
prayer
if
he
would.
A
Amen,
thank
you
very
much
appreciate
that,
and
so
it's
been
a
little
while,
since
the
recreation
committee
has
met
and
since
the
last
time
we
did
meet,
we
have
now
put
the
parks
and
recreation
master
plan
in
front
of
us,
and
you
know
a
lot's
happened
with
parks
and
recreation.
Since
then,
I
would
like
to
welcome
our
new
members
of
the
committee,
the
recreation
committee
and
that's
caroline,
parker
and
and
stephen
bowden.
Thank
you
both
for
joining
us.
A
We
appreciate
it
welcome
and
we
look
forward
to
your
your
comments
and
your
input
and
of
course
we
want
to
thank
council
member
dudley,
gregory
and
jason
saccharon,
as
well
as
mayor
teklenberg,
for
remaining
on
this
committee.
You
know,
as
I
said
it's
important
year
for
us,
because
we
do
have
the
new
parks
and
recreation
master
plan
and
parks
and
rec
have
never
been
busier
than
they
are
right
now
so
got
a
busy
agenda,
so
I
want
to
jump
right
in.
A
A
The
minutes
have
been
approved
so
so
we
have
on
our
agenda
next,
the
friends
of
the
muni,
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
municipal
golf
course,
and
we
have
troy
miller
with
you,
also
marshall
orman
with
us
who
manages
the
muni
golf
course,
and
some
of
you
know
that
troy
played
a
major
role
in
the
muni
even
after
it's
been
renovated,
still
the
most
affordable
way
for
our
constituents
to
get
out
and
enjoy
the
game
of
golf.
A
It's
a
real
bargain
with
the
city
discount
and
within
six
months
of
that
course
being
renovating.
Our
municipal
golf
course
showed
up
in
the
national
rankings
of
top
municipal
golf
courses
in
the
united
states.
I
think
we
were
number
19
according
to
golf.com
and
since
drawing
that
national
attention
the
course
has
done
incredibly
well
from
a
financial
standpoint.
I
won't
take
away
from
their
thunder
of
talking
about
that,
but
you
know
the
friends
of
muni.
They
just
want
to
make
sure.
A
Our
golf
course
continues
to
do
well
and
they've
got
some
ideas
on
how
we
may
be
able
to
continue
to
improve
on
that
I'll.
Let
troy
and
marshall
talk
about
that.
If
they
will.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
councilmember
sheila.
I
appreciate
it.
If
I,
if
you
don't
mind,
I've
got
a
presentation,
I
will
share
my
screen.
If
I
can
do
that
very
good,
let
me
go
ahead
and
get
that
up.
C
Here
we
go
okay,
so
thank
you
very
much
on
behalf
of
the
friends
of
the
muni,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
talk
a
little
bit
to
you
about
the
project
as
it
has
happened
and
where
we're
headed
next,
with
the
municipal
golf
course,
and
so
for
those
of
you
who
are
new
to
the
recreation
committee
and
new
to
council.
Welcome
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
quick
history
of
where
this
project's
been
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
where
we
would
like
to
see
it
go
in
the
future.
C
So
without
further
ado,
let
me
start
by
giving
you
a
little
bit
of
history
here
so
the
first
time
that
this
project
was
really
presented
in
this
fashion,
been
presented
previously
in
a
number
of
iterations
in
this
fashion,
was
back
in
2016
when
the
projected
costs
were
about
three
million
dollars
when
it
was
originally
presented
to
them
to
the
city
of
charleston.
The
idea
was
that
it
would
provide
about
a
ten
percent
return
on
investment.
C
The
original
projections
and
original
plan
basically
was
not
only
a
design
of
the
golf
course,
but
also
some
conceptual
budgeting.
That
would
help
tell
you
how
that
was
going
to
be
achieved,
and
a
lot
of
that
was
predicated
that
we
were
going
to
create
a
product
that
was
good
enough
to
come
play
and
not
just
good
enough
to
play.
C
While
you
were
here
and
start
to
drive
a
little
bit
more
play
out
of
tourism
and
basically
subsidize
the
ability
for
this
golf
course
to
continue
to
be
maintained
at
a
at
an
improved
and
elevated
level
by
providing
some
out
of
town
play
at
a
higher
rate,
while
maintaining
that
exceptionally
low
rate
for
our
residents,
which
we've
been
able
to
continue
to
do
through
this
process,
and
so
so
during
that
time,
back
in
2016
the
plan
was
presented.
The
next
step
was
to
go
figure
out
how
to
source
the
funding
for
it.
C
Some
of
that
came
through
the
recreation
bond
that
was
passed,
I
believe
in
2018,
and
then
accommodations
tax
dollars
played
a
role
in
the
funding,
as
well
as
private
donations
that
were
raised
through
the
friends
of
the
munich
over
the
course
of
the
last
several
years
in
2019.
In
october,
we
had
an
rfp
for
the
construction
of
the
golf
course
renovation
and
started
construction
in
january
of
2020.
C
The
golf
course
opened
in
december
of
2020.
The
cost
ended
up
coming
in
about
two
and
a
half
million
through
covet
and
some
other
value
engineering
items.
We
decided
we,
we
cut
some
items
in
order
to
keep
that
budget
and
the
uncertainty
of
times
with
covid,
but
what
the
result
has
been
has
been
really
really
pleasing
and
quite
astonishing.
To
be
honest,
we
went
from
doing
5
500
grand
55
000
rounds
in
2019
to
67
000
rounds
in
2021.
C
We
went
from
about
350
junior
players
being
serviced
in
camps
and
and
lessons
to
around
a
thousand
players
total
in
our
programs
for
junior
golfers.
Now,
as
a
result
of
the
project,
charleston
county
was
able
to
green
light.
The
woodland
shores,
drainage
improvements
that
the
county
has
been
working
on.
C
Last
year,
we
were
also
recognized
by
the
fairways
foundation,
with
a
grant
for
environmental
sustainability
in
golf
and
environmental
design
and
golf
that
will
allow
us
to
go
and
continue
that
movement
and
plant
some
more
wetland
plants
and
the
aquatic
shelves
of
the
of
this.
Some
of
the
large
ponds
that
were
built
during
the
course
of
the
construction.
C
So
again,
the
project
results
from
a
dollar's
perspective
have
been
incredibly
positive.
We
went
from
a
situation
where,
typically,
over
the
course
of
the
last
10
to
12
years,
charleston
municipal
has
lost
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
50
to
100
000
annually
on
a
net
operating
income
basis
in
2021.
C
The
golf
course
did:
1.2
million
dollars
more
in
revenue
than
it's
ever
done
before
and
ended
up
with
a
profit
of
550
000,
so
650
000
improvement
over
the
2019
numbers,
so
incredibly
well
done
by
marshall
and
his
staff
to
be
able
to
operate
and
create
this
generation
of
revenue
that
has
never
existed
before
and
really
just
shows.
You
know
what
an
incredible
project
this
has
been
for
the
city
going
back
and
thinking
about
that
ten
percent
return.
We
talked
about
in
2016
this.
C
Certainly
that
pales
in
comparison
to
the
kind
of
returns
that
we've
seen
within
12
to
14
months
of
the
of
the
opening,
and
so
what
were
some
of
the
key
factors
that
were
associated
with
that
certainly
fewer
weather
days
due
to
the
improved
drainage.
The
golf
course
typically
had
to
close
for
several
days
after
we
would
have
heavy
rains
or
significantly
elevated
tides
in
the
past
because
of
the
drainage
issues.
All
of
those
have
been
alleviated.
C
Obviously,
there's
been
some
increased
interest
in
golf
through
covid,
so
that
plays
a
part
in
this
as
well.
The
quality
of
the
course
and
the
conditions
certainly
have
driven
a
different,
a
different
client.
I
think
more
interest
and
more
interest
and
exciting
about
playing
the
golf
course
and
then
the
national
and
international
acclaim
that
that
council
member
sheila
mentioned
that
has
come
to
fruition.
Because
of
this
has
certainly
been
a
lot.
C
So
here's
a
few
of
those
things
back
at
the
end
of
2020,
we
were
named
one
of
the
top
10
courses
in
the
world
to
be
seen
in
2021
by
golf
magazine
and
then
shortly
thereafter
in
april,
we're
named
the
number
19
municipal
golf
course
in
the
country
and
also
in
that
listing.
That
makes
us
the
top
rated
municipal
golf
course
in
the
southeastern
united
states.
C
This
may
and
later
this
fall,
the
south
carolina
public
links
championship,
which
is
a
statewide
event,
that
is,
to
celebrate
public
golf
and
public
golfers
around
the
state
and
give
them
their
own
championship
for
those
that
aren't
members
of
private
clubs,
and
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
haven't
a
quick
google
search,
will
uncover
a
lot
more
of
these
types
of
some
of
the
coverage
that
we've
seen.
C
You
know
one
of
the
ones
that
I
think
is
probably
my
favorite
is
one
that
was
written
by
a
golf
magazine,
writer
that
talks
about
the
community
aspect
of
muni
and
what
he
stumbled
across
by
coming
and
hanging
out
for
half
a
day
trying
to
get
on
the
golf
course
and
waiting
for
a
tea
time
to
open
up
and
just
some
of
the
people
he
encountered
and
the
sense
of
community
that
charleston
municipal
provides.
So
that's
where
our
project
has
gone
and
from
a
junior
junior
program's
perspective.
C
I
mentioned
the
exponential
growth
in
in
players.
Part
of
that
is
because
part
of
this
project
included
the
creation
of
a
short
game
area
which
gave
us
more
physical
space
to
be
able
to
host
these
kids
so
through
the
us,
kids,
junior
programs
that
that
boykin
powers
and
his
crew
are
running
over
at
charleston
municipal
and
through
partnerships
with
the
first
tee
and
pga
hope,
and
for
the
ladies
and
soon
to
be
western
golf
association.
C
So
I
mentioned
the
western
golf
association.
Another
thing
that
we're
honored
to
be
involved
with
in
starting
in
april
is
the
western
golf
association's
evan.
Scholar.
Caddy
program
will
begin
this
spring,
where
we'll
have
eight
to
twelve
rising.
Ninth
graders
will
come
and
start
caddying
at
muny
and
it
will
be
a
job
for
them
where
they
will
be
able
to
earn,
earn
some
some
bucks
on
the
side,
as
well
as
an
opportunity
for
them
to
earn
a
full
scholarship,
including
housing,
to
several
schools
throughout
the
united
states.
C
This
program
is
over
almost
100
years
old,
just
same
same
age
as
charleston
municipal
is,
and
has
been
had
a
huge
footprint
in
the
in
the
northern
states,
the
northeast,
the
upper
midwest
for
almost
a
century,
and
we
are
really
pioneering
the
southeast,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
kids
in
our
market
to
have
an
opportunity
to
gain
a
full
scholarship
in
college
in
a
life-changing
way.
So
we're
very
excited
about
this
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
western
golf
association
also
from
a
core
mission,
values
perspective.
C
C
Now
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
future
and
how
we're
trying
to
improve
in
some
of
the
things
that
friends
of
the
muni
want
to
see
done
from
a
t-sheet
management
perspective.
We
really
need
a
management
software
built
for
golf
so
that
we
can
increase
non-resident
accessibility
to
the
golf
course
and
ease
of
use
for
everyone,
including
our
residents.
C
We
want
to
continue
to
do
on-course
enhancements
to
elevate
that
experience
to
continue
to
drive
the
interest
that
we
have
seen
over
the
last
year
on
the
golf
course,
whether
that
be
cart,
path,
repairs,
bathrooms
on
the
golf
course
little
things
that
are
just
going
to
continue
landscaping
and
continued
drainage,
all
those
things
that
can
be
count
that
can
be
productive
not
only
for
the
golf
course,
but
the
community
at
large.
Those
are
the
kind
of
things
we
want
to
see
continue
and
then
the
big
projects,
the
new
and
expanded
facilities.
C
It
also
provides
a
restroom
on
the
golf
course,
as
well
as
a
snack
bar
on
the
golf
course
that
will
create
generate
additional
revenue
from
where
we've
been
today,
and
then
it
will
also
be
utilized
as
an
event
space
that
can
be
utilized,
pre
and
post
golf
so
that
we
can
again
generate
more
revenue
than
we've
even
seen
today,
so
just
to
go
back
on
the
revenue
side
of
this.
For
just
a
second,
you
know
our
original
projection
showed.
C
I
think
some
of
the
shortcomings
that
we're
talking
about
in
here
are
opportunities
to
not
only
see
the
same
kind
of
return
annually,
but
also
increase
that
return
to
750
800
up
to
a
million
dollars.
Just
by
doing
a
better
job
of
managing
the
t
sheet
and
having
the
tools
at
hand
to
do
that,
I
believe
that
will
generate
the
proper
amount
of
out
of
town
play.
C
Given
the
demand
we
have
at
the
proper
rate
and
be
able
to
maintain
those
lower
rates
for
our
residents
and
by
providing
things
like
an
event
space
for
businesses
and
community
groups
to
have
events
at
the
golf
course
we'll
have
the
ability
to
also
generate
event,
space
revenue,
more
food
and
beverage
revenue.
The
snack
bar
creates
a
huge
benefit
for
the
golf,
as
well
as
to
help
with
pace
of
play,
also
generate
more
revenue,
but
also
keep
people
from
having
to
go
back
to
the
clubhouse
during
their
round.
C
The
clubhouse
is
the
largest
project
that
the
friends
of
the
muni
is
looking
to
undertake
now,
where
we
would
create
that
community
center
and
a
gathering
place
that
could
be
utilized
by
residents
for
special
events
for
community
events
for
community
meetings.
It
can
also
accommodate
growing
programs
with
the
juniors
that
could
include
some
after-school
tutoring.
It
could
also
include
some
space
to
be
able
to
really
accommodate
this
growing
evan
scholar
county
program,
opportunity
that
we
have
at
muni.
C
So
all
of
these
things
play
a
part
in
creating
the
the
environment
that
we're
looking
to
create
and
the
sense
of
community
that
we're
looking
to
create,
and
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
now
is
a
little
bit
of
the
two
types
of
capital
that
we're
trying
to
create
here.
The
social
capital
for
y'all
has
been
our
rallying
cry
since
2017
when
we
got
started,
and
it
means
for
everyone,
and
it's
about
expanding
the
reach
of
municipal
golf
in
charleston.
C
We
also
so
so.
A
big
part
of
this
is
just
trying
to
positively
affect
more
lives,
juniors
and
otherwise
in
our
community,
and,
I
think,
providing
spaces
to
do.
That
is
a
big
part
of
it,
creating
community
involvement
from
folks
and
then
obviously,
this
new
edition
of
giving
opportunity,
giving
kids
an
opportunity
to
own
earn
full
scholarships.
This
is
the
kind
of
social
capital
that
we
want
to
create
as
friends
of
the
muni,
from
the
from
the
city's
perspective,
the
financial
capital
and
the
ability
to
create
a
return
on
this
investment.
C
Previous
previous
is
also
significant
with
each
of
these
things
that
is
being
suggested.
Obviously,
there's
a
return
on
investment
on
bringing
an
encore,
snack
bar
and
increasing
that
revenue.
The
event
spaces
will
provide
additional
revenue,
both
from
food
and
beverage,
as
well
as
event
fees
and
non-golf
generated
revenue
as
well,
so
there's
financial
capital.
C
So
my
feeling
on
it
is
this
is
very
much
the
british
model
of
having
a
great
local
golf
course
that
is
accessible
and
affordable
for
our
residents
and
we
can
control
the
rate
based
upon
the
demand
by
our
non-residents
and
continue
to
see
that
rate
grow
and
basically
limit
those
rounds
to
a
level
that
allows
for
the
amount
of
accessibility
that
is
appropriate
for
our
residents.
So
I
think
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
open
sky
in
front
of
us
here
to
do
a
lot
of
great
things.
C
Our
next
steps
at
friends
of
the
muni
are
going
to
be
to
generate
a
plan
and
formulate
these.
How
to
implement
these
future.
Implement
these
future
improvements
and
again
in
the
same
way
that
this
was
presented
in
2016,
provide
not
only
a
plan
for
what
we
want
to
see
done,
but
also
the
return
on
the
investment
financially,
and
why
it's
a
good
idea
and
an
undertaking
for
the
city
to
look
at
this.
C
As
part
of
that
plan,
we
need
to
get
an
updated
mou
with
the
city
to
talk
about
what
the
goals
of
the
friends
of
the
muni
are
and
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
that
mission
on
a
regular
basis
and
part
of
this
plan
will
then
be
the
same
program.
We
had
five
years
ago
when
we
first
started
of
trying
to
identify
and
approach
the
appropriate
means
of
funding
of
these
projects
and
the
large
projects,
as
well
as
the
the
regular,
the
the
smaller
ones.
C
And
so
these
are
the
things
that
we're
looking
to
do
and
plan
to
come
back
to
you
as
council
over
the
course
of
the
next
several
months.
To
talk
to
you
about
what
our
plan
is.
What
that,
in
return
on
investment,
looks
like
and
understand
the
value
of
what
you've
been
able
to
create
as
a
council
by
by
approving
this
project
and
the
I
what
I
believe
to
be
really
just
a
tremendous
asset
for
the
city
of
charleston
today.
C
So
I'm
hoping
that
to
have
the
support
of
council
for
a
lot
of
these
conversations
going
forward,
and
certainly
I
think
that
starts
here
with
this
recreation
committee-
understanding
that
we
want
this
to
be
a
crown
jewel
of
the
city's
parks
and
recreation
department.
So,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
shealy.
I
appreciate
it.
I
hope
I
kept
in
res
right,
reasonable
time.
D
So,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
say
what
a
remarkable
improvement
this
has
all
led
to
the
the
charleston
municipal
course
charleston
being
the
oldest
place
in
america,
where
golf
has
been
played
was
played
and
also
note
that
we
were
the
first
desegregated
course
in
in
south
carolina
back
in
the
early
late
50s
early
60s,
a
course
with
with
notable
history.
So
taking
care
of
this
gym
is
is
a
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
I
know
the
the
renovation
we
did.
There
are
a
lot
of
hands
involved.
D
Our
staff
marshall
laurie,
the
the
rick,
was
very
involved,
but
the
community
really
pitched
in
the
friends
of
the
muni
and
and
all
that
I
could
go
on
naming
people
but
I'll
just
close
and
say
it
really
was
under
troy's
leadership
and
his
generosity
of
his
time
and
effort.
So
the
fact
that
he's
remaining
this
involved
is
is
is
a
godsend
to
us
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
what
they
come
back
to
us,
that
the
numbers
are
beyond
what
we
thought.
D
The
improvements
would
be,
and
you
know,
and
I
bet
more
out-of-towners
are
playing
which
helps
justify
some
of
those
hospitality
dollars
going
into
future
improvements
as
well.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you,
troy
and
thank
you
to
the
friends
of
the
muni
for
all
y'all
done.
It's
been
a
great
community
service.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'm
not
on
this
committee,
but
I
and
I
am
on
the
municipal
golf
course,
commission,
which
I
missed
last
time,
and
I
just
want
to
echo
some
of
the
comments
that
have
already
been
made
and
I
played
out
there
I
tried
to
play
out
there
recently.
I
should
say
mike
golf
game
is
not
the
best
in
the
world.
Councilmember
bowden
is
a
pretty
good
golfer.
E
He
would
appreciate
the
the
course
I
know
very
well,
but
it
is
a
beautiful
course
and
the
photographs
that
troy
had
on
his
presentation.
Just
don't
do
justice.
How
pretty
that
course
really
is
and
you
get
lost
just
standing
out
there
and
enjoying
that
but
troy.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
and
marshall
y'all
did
a
great
job
out
there.
I
support
all
those
things
that
you
just
mentioned
about
the
pavilion
and
the
clubhouse.
E
I
think
that's
the
next
generation
that
this
golf
course
needs
to
go
in
and
whatever
we
can
do
on
city
council
to
help
make
that
a
reality.
You
got
my
my
support
for
that.
I
would
ask
if
you
wouldn't
mind
if
you
could
share
that
presentation
and
email
us
a
copy
of
that.
I
think
I
want
to
share
that
with
some
of
my
constituents,
so
they
can
see
what
what
is
sort.
E
A
D
Well,
to
revise
the
mou,
I
would
think
we
would
work
with
our
legal
department
and
and
then
bring
it
back
to
recreation
committee
would
be
a
we
sent
them
a
template,
yeah
and
we're
going
to.
D
Couple
of
months,
okay,
so
I
understand
we're
working
on
that
already
and
then
on
the
on,
whatever
specific
capital
improvements
are
are
recommended
at
first,
I
know,
troy
will
work
with
jason
and
laurie
and
they'll
they'll
feed
that
up
to
our
our
capital
projects
committee,
you
know
before
it
would
come
back
to
ways
and
means,
but
it
would
come
back
to
council
on
both
counts,
the
mou
on
one
side
and
any
capital
improvements
that
we
have
on
the
other.
I
think
kind
of
a
two-track
process:
okay,
very
good.
A
Anything
else
on
this
item
with
the
municipal
golf
course
well,
troy
and
marshall.
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
it
great
presentation,
a
lot
of
good
information
for
us,
so
thank
you
so
much
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
all
for
having.
A
I'll
move
on
to
our
our
next
item,
I
see
lance
tyner's
on
the
line
with
us.
F
F
A
All
I
see
is
your
name
up
there.
Lance,
but
yeah,
we'll
be
glad
if
you
would
like
kind
of,
and
while
lance
is
doing
that,
just
to
let
you
know
he
is
a
city
resident,
he
happens
to
live
in
district
2,
which
is
the
district.
A
I
represent,
he's
an
avid
tennis
player
and
he
reached
out
to
me
about
some
some
things
that
he
wanted
to
talk
about
with
the
maybank
tennis
center
on
james
island
and
laurie
met
with
lance
and
some
of
his
fellow
players
and
about
two
weeks
ago,
and
I
felt
it
might
be
good
for
him
to
communicate
to
us
a
little
bit
here
on
the
recreation
committee,
so
lance
you're,
I
see
your
face
on
there.
I
appreciate
you
reaching
out
and
taking
a
few
minutes.
A
Well,
we
can.
We
can
certainly
go
to
the
next
agenda
item.
I
do
see
fern
white
on
and
about
a
month
ago
I
was
invited
to
watch
some
pickleball
that
was
being
played
on
sunday
afternoon
out
at
beast,
landon
and
I
saw
how
they
were
functioning
and
and
what
they
were
doing
there
and
they
play
every
sunday
and
they
play
during
the
week
some,
but
that
particular
day
there
were
about
38
pickleball
players
on
that
afternoon,
playing
on
four
pickleball
courts
or
two
converted
tennis
courts.
A
I
guess-
and
so
anyway
I
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
to
bring
fern
on
and
allow
her
to
take
a
few
minutes
to
tell
us
a
little
bit
about.
What's
going
on
with
pickleball.
G
Thank
you,
chairman
shuli,
and
thank
you
for
inviting
me
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
pickleball
residents
in
the
city
of
charleston.
We
appreciate
the
efforts
of
our
elected
officials
and
various
departments
who
are
working
with
us
to
help
answer
our
immediate
needs
and
future
needs.
I've
prepared
a
very
short
presentation
which
I'd
like
to
share
right
now,
and
we
can.
I
give
you
a
bird's
eye
view
of
all
that.
Let
me
jump
right
over
there.
G
Yeah
from
the
beginning,
there
we
go
okay,
so
just
some
basic
facts
is
how
how
much
this
sport
is
exploding
across
the
country
we
now
have
in
2020
identified
4.8
million
players.
It
grew
almost
at
40
percent.
Over
the
last
two
years,
it's
a
highly
competitive
and
yet
very
social
sport.
We
welcome
it's,
usually
open
play,
so
we
welcome
our
local
residents
as
well
as
people
who
are
visiting
charleston.
G
So
this
presents
a
lovely
interface
and
a
good
position
for
our
exposure
to
people
and
their
impression
of
charleston.
We
also
welcome
all
ages
and
let
me
just
get
onto
the
next
slide.
So
basically,
the
sport
is
played
by
all
ages.
Ages
could
be
eight,
and
I
know
laura
yours:
bro
is
working
with
one
of
our
youth
instructors
downtown
ages,
8
through
as
much
as
88.
G
It
can
be
played
on
tennis
courts
that
have
lines
similar,
but
not
quite
the
same
dimensions.
So
at
bees,
landing
in
the
top
photo
shows
bees
landing.
We
have
been
what
you
saw
chairman
chiles.
We
are
given
permission
to
chalk
in
lines
which
is
a
bit
of
work,
but
that
our
games
were
played
there
and
we
do
see
a
lot
of
times
upwards
of
30
odd
people
on
just
two
tennis
courts.
So
we
have
two
nets
set
up
on
each
tennis
court.
G
G
I'm
doing
a
comparison
here
of
the
city
population
versus
the
dedicated
facilities
in
various
cities-
and
you
can
quickly
see
scanning
this
page
that
we
have
charleston,
has
the
highest
population
density,
the
absolutely
lowest
dedicated
pickleball
courts
and
the
highest
amount
of
tennis
courts,
which,
which
is
pretty
nice,
because
from
our
perspective
that
doesn't
detract
a
whole
lot.
When
we
want
to
say,
can
we
address
our
immediate
need?
And
can
we
get
a
few
of
these
share
a
few
of
these
dedicated
tennis
courts
so
that
we
might
also
enjoy
the
same
space.
G
So
what
you're
seeing
is
two
tennis
courts,
and
this
is
showing
the
first
one
is
showing
an
example
of
two
tennis
courts
and
the
other
one
is
pickleball,
which
I
have
conservatively
listed
as
six
courts.
So
putting
three
on
each
tennis
court.
We
could
do
as
much
as
four,
which
is
what
has
been
configured
on
thomas
johnson
park
on
james
island.
G
G
G
G
So
the
criteria
for
pickleball
venues
is
the
same
as
tennis
location
centrally
located
to
the
population
not
restricted
by
traffic,
accessible
from
all
points
from
ravenel
to
johns
island
to
west
ashley.
To
you
know,
james
island,
it's
or
even
off
of
526.
G
Everyone
is
looking
for
convenience
and
access
to
courts.
The
amenities
also
are
very
meaningful,
as
it
is
with
tennis
lighting
for
those
people
who
play
the
game,
who
are
not
retired
as
old
as
me.
So
we
have
a
very
young
days
as
well
and
they
usually
play
in
the
evening,
and
so
they
require
lighting
and,
of
course,
restrooms
are
really
appreciated
and
perhaps
benches
that
are
a
waiting
area,
that's
shaded
for
the
hot
sun.
G
We
do
have
some
criteria,
additional
criteria
for
the
venue
and
recommendations
for
dual
use
and
for
dedicated
the
image
you
see
here
is
a
picture
of
the
collins
park
in
north
charleston
and
they
have
a
huge
throughput
problem.
These
are
10
dedicated
courts
and
they
still
have
a
massive
amount
of
weight.
They
hold
tournaments
at
this
location,
which
brings
them
significant
revenue
and
so
to
be
converted.
Is
that
one
tennis
court,
you
see
blocked
out
where
they
will
add
additional
courts
to
try
to
alleviate
some
of
the
problem.
G
They
also
have
a
huge
lovely
indoor
facility
with
that
shares,
basketball
and
tennis
and
pickleball
courts.
G
So
the
same
as
tennis,
the
design
and
the
construction,
the
fencing
all
of
those
things
hold
still
hold
true
for
pickleball
they're,
very
close
in
their
requirements
and
the
environment
to
be
safe,
to
have
good
air
quality,
low
noise
traffic,
since
it's
so
social
people.
G
Generally,
when
they're
waiting
for
a
game
go
into
conversations,
and
even
maybe
some
practice
drills
on
the
side
to
bring
you
to
future
and
current
state,
to
give
you
an
indication
of
how
this
industry
is
pivoting,
the
u.s
tennis
association
is
now
involved
in
promoting
pickleball
through
tournaments,
through
leagues,
instructions,
building
facilities
where
they're
teaching
it
and
also
doing
certifications.
G
There
is
a
new
complex
going
up
in
opika,
which
therefore
seeing
two
million
dollars
in
tax
revenue
alone,
boosting
their
hotels
and
restaurants
and
other
areas
and
other
businesses.
This
is
a
picture
of
the
billie,
jean
tennis
center,
where
they're
going
to
have
the
associated
pickleball
professional
tournament
this
year.
G
So
this
is
a
picture
of
these
landing
and
they
have
a
oddly
enough,
a
fantastic
area
which
would
accommodate
10
pickleball
courts
on
a
level
property.
The
lighting
is
already
existing.
The
facilities
are
existing,
so
we
would
have
a
reduced
construction
cost
compared
to
other
potential
values
or
venues.
G
So
the
needs
are
such
that
we're
asking
that
the
three
of
the
six
tennis
courts
are,
and
mostly
we're
using
the
remote
courts.
When
chairman
shirley
was
out,
he
saw
us
all
on
the
remote
to
remote
course.
This
would
result
in
a
more
equitable
distribution
of
resources.
G
So
when
we
have
eight
pickleball
players
versus
two
tennis
players,
we
can
have
you
know
shared
resources
instead
of
the
pickleball
sport
being
pushed
to
the
side
and
not
being
able
to
have
access
to
a
public
park,
and
so
a
lot
of
this
infrastructure
is
already
in
place
and
the
pickleball
community
feels
so
strongly
about
it
that
they
are
willing
to
chip
in
and
help
fund.
G
So
I
think
I'm
I'm
probably
running
over
time
and
I'm
gonna
wrap
up
and
just
say
thank
you,
chairman
sheily,
and
to
all
the
members
here
and-
and
everyone
on
this
call
for
allowing
me
to
present
this
today
and
if
you
need
any
more
questions
answered,
please
do
feel
free
to
contact
me.
I
do
have
some
presentations.
I
can
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
for
current
and
for
our
future
outlook.
F
Thank
you
and
thanks
for
that
presentation
I
will
tell
you
that,
after
you
know,
flooding
and
traffic
things
that
I
totally
expected
to
be
hearing
about
from
constituents,
I
think
pickleball
might
be
the
third
most
third
thing
I've
heard
most
about,
so
I
confess
that
I
did
not
realize
you
know
quite
the
groundswell,
that's
out
there,
but
I
think
you've
accurately
identified
that
there
is
one.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
thing
to
be
in
our
heads
moving
forward
as
we
try
to
accommodate
both
groups.
B
Mine
is
the
question
to
jason,
as
it
relates
to
the
master
plan
and
whether
or
not
this
fits
into
the
overall
master
plan
that
the
city
developed.
H
We
met
last
week
with
our
consultants
to
start
the
implementation
phase
of
of
the
master
plan,
so
we
will
be
working
with
them
over
the
coming
months
to
take
the
very
long
list
of
needs
and
then
try
to
bring
back
a
reasonable
list
of
projects
to
be
funded
by
something
in
some
source
in
the
future
for
for
projects
to
come.
So,
yes,
it
certainly
was
a
an
item
in
the
plan
and
it's
addressed
there.
Yes,.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
jason.
I
guess
I
have
one
question.
This
would
be
a
temporary
situation,
but
I
know
we've
got.
I
know
we
have
the
senior
center.
That
obviously,
is
a
membership
situation.
A
When
I
went
out
that
day
to
watch
the
pickleball
I
ran
by
the
senior
center
to
see
you
know
what
was
going
on.
Obviously
there
was
no
cars
there
because
it's
closed
on
sunday.
It's
closed
all
weekend
and
closed
in
the
evening.
You
know
it's.
I
think
it's
70
to
be
a
member,
I
think
at
the
at
the
senior
center,
but
that's
the
wearing
center,
the
wearing
senior
center.
A
Yes
in
in
west
ashley
over
by
st
francis
hospital,
the
you
know,
I
think
it's
70
a
year
for
charleston
county
residents.
I
think
over
50
years
I
was
50
and
older,
but
I
guess
my
question
is-
and
I
know
we
work
with
roper
saint
francis
on
this,
but
it
would
there
be
a
possibility
of
extending
those
pickleball
court
hours.
The
one
of
the
problems
they
have
is
the
senior
center
closes
at
seven
and
everybody
everything's
locked
out
at
seven
o'clock
a
lot
of
these.
A
A
lot
of
people
that
play
pickleball
work
during
the
day,
and
so
they
have
the
weekends
and
they
have
their
evenings
free.
But
they
don't
have
they're
not
able
to
play
at
the
senior
center
because
they're
working
while
the
senior
center's
open.
But
do
we
know
if
there
would
be
any
opportunity
at
all
to
extend
those
hours
of
membership
for
even
if
it
was
just
the
outdoors
and
not
the
indoors.
I
Councilmember
sheila,
that's
a
great
comment
and
one
that
we're
right
now
talking
to
roper
saint
francis
about
operating
costs,
they've
been
really
hard
hit
at
the
wearing
senior
center
from
kovec,
and
so
their
revenues
are
down.
But
I
have
asked
that
question.
Is
there
something
we
could
do
that
would
allow
use
of
those
courts
by
members
or
having
some
kind
of
separate
membership
for
evenings
or
something
there's
no
lights
there,
so
those
courts
to
be
maximized
would
have
to
be
lighted,
but
that
is
an
example.
I
I
think
of
of
the
kind
of
thing
that
that
miss
white
was
alluding
to.
Where
can
we
do
things
better
than
we
already
have,
or
where
can
we
really
maximize
some
of
those
experiences?
I
So
you
know
west
ashley,
mary
eugene
right
there
on
orange
grove,
those
two
tennis
courts
have
lights
and
they
now
have
pickleball
lines
that
are
permanently
on
them.
There's
two
tennis
courts
in
a
very
central
location
in
west
ashley
that
are
lighted
and
can
be
used
anytime.
I
was
looking
at
bees
landing
monday,
wednesday
and
friday
mornings
from
10
30
to
12
30.
We
have
pickleball
in
our
gym
as
well.
I
I
The
mayor
had
worked
hard
to
get
us
some
money
for
11
courts
to
get
pickleball
a
lot
permanent
pickleball
lines
put
on
them.
Last
year,
jason's
jason's
crew
was
able
to
handle
that
through
capital
projects,
so
we
did
expand
some
do
we
have
a
long
way
to
go?
Absolutely.
I
I
know
we
do
but
we're
trying
to
do
that,
we're
trying
to
grow
it.
As
miss
white
mentioned,
the
city
is
working
with
dez
brown.
He
is
doing
pickleball
lessons
on
the
east
side.
Right
now.
Our
kids
from
st
julian
devine
and
martin
park
are
able
to
come
in
and
learn
that
sport
and
it's
at
no
cost
to
them.
I
So
we're
trying
to
do
some
different
things,
but
I
do
think
that
talking
to
roper
saint
francis
about
the
wearing
senior
center
is
an
option
and
one
that
I've
already
opened
the
conversation
to
great
well.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
I
know
I
went
it's
councilman
shades
district,
but
I
went
over
to
over
toward
north
bridge
park
shore
park
and
obviously
there's
those
courts
that
were
old,
racquetball
or
something
courts
with
the
walls
up
and
everything
you
know.
So,
if
I
mean
if
we
could
look
there,
I
know
you
know
we
still
have
a
park.
That's
unused!
That's
woodland,
woodland
road
over
there
in
west
ashley
as
well-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
more
extra
space
for
something
like
that
at
west
ashley
park
or
beach
landing.
A
But
but
you
know,
I
would
certainly
hope
that
we
would
consider
all
those
you
know
all
those.
E
Areas
as
we
look
so
councilman
shade.
Well,
since
you
mentioned
my
district
councilman
I'll,
have
to
first
give
a
shout
out
to
jason
and
lori
for
the
work
that
they've
been
doing
over
at
at
park
shore.
It's
been
a
wonderful
transformation
on
all
the
work
they've
done
over
there
and
you're
absolutely
correct
and
jason
and
I've
had
that
conversation
about
converting
those
old
walled
area
for
racquetball
into
pickleball
courts.
E
E
That
park
has
has
generated
a
lot
more
interest
recently,
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
city's
done
on
that
for
us.
So
thanks
for
bringing
that
out
to
our
attention,
but,
yes,
I
would
support
putting
the
pickleball
court
at
that
those
little
areas.
It's.
I
think
that
that
those
walls
have
been
used
for
something
more
nefarious
than
athletic
activity,
but
there
unfortunately
yeah.
A
Well
and
if
we
can
generate
activity,
it's
just
good,
clean
fun
activity,
family
activity,
it'll
certainly
be
good
for
that
good
for
that
area,
and
that
backs
up
to
the
you
know
to
the
elks
lodge
too
a
lot
of
these
pickleball
players
are
elks
members
and
things
like
that.
Absolutely.
G
I
would
like
to
just
put
forth
that
we
have
a
two
thrust
concern
one
is
for
immediate
need
and
the
other
venues
that
you're
referring
to
are
for
probably
future
use.
G
G
It
doesn't
support
the
high
social
nature
of
the
community,
so
it's
not
really
used
all
that
much
would
have
been
helpful
if
the
community
was
consulted
and
this
is
park
shore.
G
I
think
that
the
property
on
these
certainly
has
a
higher
potential
and
less
cost
factor
than
looking
at
and
a
faster
turnaround
than
looking
at
tearing
this
down.
But
I
understand
wanting
to
optimize
and
leverage
the
properties.
E
G
I
I
would
encourage
all
of
you
to
help
us
and
help
your
the
resources
used
if
we
are
able
to
be
used
as
consultants
to
help
your
return
on
investment,
because
worst
case
is
doing
something
and
it
not
getting
used.
A
B
Yes,
just
for
us
to
get
a
sense
from
laurie
r,
r
jason.
Typically,
what
would
the
cost
be
to
develop
a
court
from
scratch
or
to
convert
something
existing.
H
So
the
the
last
courts
we
built
down
at
moultrie
playground,
the
two
pickleball
courts
were
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
that's
starting
from
scratch.
Now
that
that
project
was
completed
prior
to
covid,
so
all
of
those
numbers
are
going
to
be
different
today,
so
I
don't
have
the
a
current
new
cost
for
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
we
can
certainly
get
that
information.
I
The
other
thing
I'll
add
is
that
multi
doesn't
have
lights
jason,
so
that
hundred
thousand
is
without
is
without
lights,
and
I
think
if
we
build
pickleball
courts,
we
we
need
to
definitely
put
lights
on
them.
Just
like
we
do
basketball,
courts
and
tennis
courts
and
other
areas
so
and
then
it's
then
it's
a
matter
of
looking
at
where
we
have
amenities
where
we
have
space
and
then
the
other
programs
that
are
ongoing
and
how
that's
going
to
impact.
I
If
we're
able
to
talk
to
to
lance,
I
think
he's
going
to
share
some
concerns
that
the
maybank
tennis
center
members
have
raised,
and
they
are
a
membership
that
pay.
You
know,
pay
fees
and
dues
and
everything
else.
So
I
think
they've
got
a
another
side
of
the
of
the
equation
that
has
to
be
looked
at,
but
you
know,
obviously
we
we
need
to
have
more
cobed
did
nothing
if
not
bring
out
more
more
pickleball,
more
tennis,
more
runners,
more
golfers,
we're
seeing
that
in
everything.
I
A
Thank
you,
councilman
mayor
teckenberg,.
D
So
we
were
lucky
there,
that's
the
cost
without
the
lights,
but
it
just
so
happened
either
we
were
smart
or
lucky
that
we
built
those
two
pickleball
courts
right
underneath
the
old
baseball
field
lights,
so
we
were
able
to
provide
lights,
but
not
it
with
the
not
as
part
of
the
hundred
thousand
dollars.
D
So
I
I
I
just
thought
I
would
share
that
and
and
with
with
all
due
respect
to
the
presentation
I
I
do
want
to
acknowledge.
Yes,
we
need
more
courts,
and
I
I
guess
it's
easy.
Ms
white
to
to
you
know
for
the
immediate
need
to
do
the
conversions
or
additions.
I
mean
that's
why
we
added
lines
to
seven
courts
last
year
was
to
try
to
help
fulfill
that
immediate
need,
but
but
y'all
I
want
to
just
put
this
out
there.
D
This
shouldn't
be
a
tennis
versus
pickleball
battle.
This
ought
to
be
just
the
city
trying
to
provide
more
facilities
that
our
citizens
want
to
use-
and
I
admit
that
puts
us
in
a
time
crunch,
given
cost
and
and
development
of
a
project.
So
I
think
we
got
a
look
at
every
hard
surface
out
there.
That's
not
being
utilized
and
and
existing
places
where
we
can
add
lights
like,
I
think,
that's
a
great
idea
about
the
wearing
tennis
center.
We
had
a
couple
of
hard
surfaces
down
at
martin
park.
D
We
recently
converted
them
to
pickleball
and
and
they're
being
well
utilized.
I
ride
by
there.
I
see
people
out
there
all
the
time,
the
park
shore
project,
I
would
think,
won't
take
us
a
long
time.
I
just
I
hope,
not
and
and
jason.
I
I
think
it's
already
working
on
what
it
might
take
for
us
to
knock
those
walls
down.
If
you
need
a
bulldozer
driver,
you
know
I'll
I'll
sign
up.
I
I
just
inquired
with
ben
navarro
who's.
D
You
know
going
to
be
operating
the
charleston
tennis
center
over
on
daniel
island
to
see
if
they
could
do
some
multi-use
over
there,
but
the
one
one
other
idea
that
that
I
had
recently
there
were
some
old
basketball
courts
underneath
I-26
the
it's
hard
surface.
Already,
there's
concrete
there.
You
know
it
doesn't
drain
great,
I
admit
it
so
maybe
after
a
big
rain,
you'd
need
a
couple
of
days
to
let
it
dry
off
before
you
could
play
again,
but
with
some
portable
nets.
D
I
think
we
could
put
four
to
six
courts
down
there
pretty
easily.
If,
if
miss
white's
supporters
would
be
willing
to
help
us
put
some
nets
in
place
and
and
and
temporary
lines
down.
I
I'd
certainly
welcome
y'all
to
come.
Take
a
look
at
that
space
with
us
and
and
see
what
you
think.
So
anybody
got
any
ideas,
but
some
unused
hard
surface
out
there.
We
ought
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
try
to
add
as
many
courts
as
as
we
can.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr.
A
Mayor
anyone
else,
okay,
well,
thank
you.
Miss
white
and
you
know
appreciate
great
presentation,
a
lot
of
great
information.
We
appreciate
it
and
obviously
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
toward
coming
up
with
some
solutions
here.
So
thank
you
so
much.
A
His
lance
on,
let's
see
him
so
if
lance
comes
back
on
we
can.
We
can
certainly
go
back
to
him,
but
I'm
going
to
kind
of
move
forward
and
see
if
we
can
get
a
an
update
from
jason
and
lori
on
the
parks
and
recreation
master
plan
which
includes
enterprise
manager,
which
I
know
they're
working
on
and
some
other
things
in
there
so
either
one
of
you,
whichever
thank
you.
H
It
all
takes
funding,
as
you
know,
and
so
that
so
we'll
be
having
more
reported
out
on
that,
and
we
will
come
back
to
you
with
the
consultants
for
our
presentation
to
the
committee
after
we
have
had
time
to
start
getting
into
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
the
implementation
and
coming
back
to
with
some
proposals
for
the
committee.
H
I
Very
good,
jason
I'll,
add
council
member
shooting
we're
going
to
be
meeting
on
the
23rd
of
march
with
bfrc
and
our
consultants,
and
they
would
like
to
come
back
to
you.
The
consultants
would
like
to
come
back
to
the
standing
rec
committee
in
april
with
an
update
with,
hopefully
some
really
some
more
information.
I
As
everyone
said,
we
are
accepting
applications
for
the
enterprise
manager
account
that
position.
I'm
gonna
start
interviews
next
week
with
mr
o'rourke's
assistance
and
he's
got
several
other
items
that
he
wants
us
to
start
working
on
internally
as
staff
as
we
start
biting
off
some
of
this.
This
big
project,
but
it's
good
to
see
it
moving
forward
and
I'm
excited
that
jason
and
I
get
to
work
on
it
right
now
with
you.
A
Very
good
well,
thank
you.
Lori
mayor
tickle,
bird.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
glad
miss
white
still
on
the
line
I
just
heard
back
from
ben.
They
have
four
permanent
pickleball
courts
at
at
the
daniel
island
tennis
center
and
can
transition
two
more
tennis
courts,
so
they
could
come
up
with
a
total
of
eight
courts
over
there.
So
what
it's
worth?
That's
an
that's
more
than
what
we
had
now.
G
And
that
that
is
wonderful,
I
I
don't
know
if
residents
from
johns
island
and
ravenel
and
west
ashley
would
find
that
that
amount
of
travel
acceptable,
but
certainly
people
out
in
that
area
would
be
thrilled.
I
appreciate
that.
A
Thank
you
any
questions
on
master
plan
or
from
then
I
thought
we
would
kind
of
go
through
some
of
our
parts.
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
updates
on
stony
field,
so
if
we
could
maybe
start
with
that
and
we'll
kind
of
go
down
the
list
from
there.
H
I'll
jump
right
in
here
so
stoney
field.
You
know,
as
many
of
you
may
be
aware,
and
if
you're
not
that
project
renovation
was
in
cooperation
with
the
charleston
county
school
district,
so
they
conducted
the
portion
of
converting
the
field
into
a
synthetic
turf
field
and
getting
the
track
the
practice
track
completed.
H
As
the
contractor
got
into
that
work,
our
neighbor
our
neighbors,
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
saw
some
work
happening
and
we're
a
little
bit
concerned
about
an
issue
with
the
old
landfill
cap.
From
the
early
70s,
it
was
nothing
that
everybody
knows:
there's
a
landfill,
formerly
a
landfill
there,
so
we're
working
through
some
contingency
items
and
some
storm
water
issues.
With
regards
to
that
cat,
we're
anticipating
that
that
could
cause
some
delay.
H
So
we
have
to
get
all
of
that
some
some
new
design
to
kind
of
accommodate
the
core's
requirements
with
how
the
water
comes
from
the
renovated
parking
area
and
filters
through
in
order
to
protect
that
cap
on
the
landfill.
H
So
we've
also
conducted
some
work
in
the
the
home
stands
itself.
As
you
all
have
probably
seen
when
we
first
started
this
work,
we
fixed
all
the
small
repairs.
We
resealed
all
of
the
areas
where
the
rebar
was
corroding
and
cracking
through
the
old,
the
existing
concrete.
So
all
of
that's
been
sealed
painted
and
re-invigorated
to
give
it
a
little
bit
more
lifespan
that
all
of
the
stands
were
resealed
new
seating
has
been
installed.
H
All
all
the
lights
have
been
upgraded
to
led
light
fixtures
and
so
we're
you
know
we're
really
excited
about
getting
that
project
open.
We're
still
got
have
meetings
with
the
corps
of
engineers,
so
we
haven't
figured
out
a
final
solution
on
that
yet,
but
the
contractor
has
not
stopped
work
and
they
continue
to
progress.
H
Moving
right
along
the
car
richardson
park
over
in
the
asheville
maryville
neighborhoods
that
site
and
building
construction
is
ongoing
with
an
anticipated
completion
of
early
may
so
we're
working
through
getting
the
building
finalized
and
the
site
work
should
and
more
landscaping
should
be
conducted
soon.
A
Any
questions
anyone
I
I
went
over
to
carl
richardson
right
before
the
meeting
and
man
it
is
coming
along.
It's
looking
very
nice
what
a
gorgeous
piece
of
property
that
that's.
H
So
moving
right
along
fort
pemberson
is
on
the
agenda
for,
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
fort
pemberton
is
in
riverland
terrace
it's
about
it's
a
well
it's
historically,
it's
an
old
civil
war
fortification
took
us
about
two
years
through
multiple
scenarios.
With
the
green
belt
program
and
the
conservation
fund,
we
were
able
to
purchase
that
land.
It
has
about
270
linear
feet
along
the
stoneau
river,
two
existing
docks.
H
So
it's
it's.
It's
really
set
up
to
be
an
incredible
sunset
view,
so
we're
working
with
the
neighborhood
association
right
now
to
schedule
some
community
engagement,
hopefully
in
the
next
month,
to
kind
of
get
some
some
more
feedback.
We've
we've
already
met
with
a
subcommittee
on
two
different
occasions
to
walk
the
site
and
talk
about
ideas,
so
we're
trying
to
bring
it
back
to
the
full
neighborhood
association
to
get
some
new
ideas.
H
We
we
submitted
for
a
land
and
water
conservation
fund,
grant
that
came
through
city
council
at
one
of
your
last
meetings.
Matching
that
that
grant
request
was
261,
000
matching
it
with
the
current
green
belt
funds
that
are
awarded
for
the
project.
We
should
know
sometime
in
september
if
we're
awarded
those
dollars,
so
hopefully
we
are,
and
those
combined
funds
will
provide
for
a
very
substantial
first
phase,
pass
of
getting
this
that
property
opened
up
to
the
public.
H
You
know
once
it
took
us
two
years
to
purchase
that
land
and
then
kova
struck,
and
so
it's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
to
get
back
out
into
the
public,
but
we're
we're
raring
to
go
to
get
get
those
meetings
scheduled
and
get
that
engagement
and
get
some
good
ideas
going
so
number
d
item
letter
d
wpal
park.
We
don't
have
any
current
activity
as
from
a
project
related
point
of
view
on
that
on
that
site,.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Any
council
member
caroline
parker.
J
Yes,
hi.
Thank
you,
so
mr
cronsberg,
it's
kind
of
back
I'm
kind
of
going
a
little
backwards,
but
will
you
have
any
updates
or
proposals
from
that
master
plan
that
may
indicate
how
we
can
go
after
or
utilize
private
sector
funds
to
help
improve
or
build
new
rec
centers?
Will
there
be
any
advice
given
in
that
regard
or.
H
You
know
partnerships
are
always
a
plus
right.
I
don't
have
anything
on
the
top
of
my
head
that
we
can
talk
about
that
with
our
consultants
when
we
kick
off
the
implementation
phase
of
the
master
plan.
J
Sure,
that's
kind
of
that's
sort
of
my
ask
there.
I
guess
is
my.
My
question
is
just
maybe
asking
those
consultants,
since
we
already
are
going
to
have
them
on
board
that
maybe
we
can
talk
about
how
we
can
utilize
the
private
sector
into.
We
know
that
you
know
we
need
new
rec
centers
everywhere,
so
this
is
might
be
an
avenue
that
we
can
approach
right,
so
maybe
just
getting
some
data
from
them
and
and
that
way
giving
me
and
our
communities
some
advice
on
how
to
maybe
approach
some
of
those
things.
H
J
H
So
right
now
we
have
we
got
to
get
this
community
engagement
completed.
We
don't
have
any
funding
to
do
full-blown
capital
project
style
planning.
H
So
what
we're
going
to
try
to
do-
and
hopefully
we
get
the
grant-
is
to
work
with
our
in-house
staff
in
the
neighborhood,
come
up
with
a
conceptual
phase,
one
opening
plan
and
then
figure
out
how
to
fund
that
work
to
get
it
open
right
now
there
are
no
improvements
on
the
site
and
it's
so
it's
not
really
it's
it's!
It's
an
old
residence.
So
there's!
No,
it's
not
really
safe
to
open
it
up
to
the
public.
Yet.
H
J
H
That's
right,
so
we
have
a
pard
grant
for
that
location
to
come
in
and
refurbish
that
playground
equipment
over
the
past
I'd
say
since
20.
Well,
since
2012
anyway,
we've
been
really
working
hard
on
upgrading
some
of
our
old
and
outdated
playground
equipment
over
50
locations
around
the
city.
We've
got
six
of
them
left
to
kind
of
give
a
little
bit
of
a
refresher,
so
harbor
view
fort
johnson
is
the
next
one.
We're
working
through
quotes
through
the
vendors
right
now
and
should
have
something
soon,
so
we
can
get
that
cooking.
H
So
typically,
we
would
work
with
the
neighborhood
association
to
kind
of
say
all
right,
here's.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
here.
The
colors
is
everybody
good
with
with
that
and
then
and
then
it
comes
through
bids
and
purchases.
Okay,.
H
B
Just
as
a
follow-up
to
councilman
parker's
question,
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
public
private
partnership
between
bishop
gadsden
and
the
city
and
in
addition,
the
public
public
partnership
between
the
town
of
james
island
and
the
city
to
create
a
park
on
james
island?
Most
recently.
H
Sure
so
we've
been
working
with
bishop
gadsden,
again
kovet
kind
of
derailed
it
a
little
bit
it's
back,
though.
Bishop
gadsden
has
purchased
the
property
that
is,
between
the
bishop
gadsden
land
proper
in
ferguson
village
park
on
ferguson
road
there.
H
So
as
part
of
that
land,
a
lot
of
it's
wet
between
our
park
and
their
property,
but
adjacent
to
our
little
parking
area.
There
is
a
small
portion
of
highland,
so
we're
working
through
a
license
agreement
or
a
lease
agreement.
I'm
not
sure
that
the
details
on
that
legal
is
working
on
that
to
to
have
access
to
that
and
expand
the
ferguson
park
a
little
bit
so
that'll
take
some
some
work
there,
but
that
is
a
great
example
of
a
public
and
private
partnership
there.
H
So
bishop
gadsden
is
give
giving
us
use
of
that
land
at
no
cost
to
the
city,
and
so
we
look
forward
to
some
park
improvements
there
as
well
and
then
to
the
town
of
james
island.
We've.
We've
worked
with
them
on
on
a
joint
greenbelt
application
for
that
new
park
purchase
and
I'm
drawing
a
blanket
the
name
of
it
right
now.
H
Brantley
right
so
we
we
bought
the
brantley
park,
50
50
with
town
greenbelt
funds
and
city
greenbelt
funds,
and
the
town
is
going
to
be
constructing
a
small
park
at
that
location,
and
I
know
that
they're
they're
working
through
their
plans
and
hopefully
there'll-
be
something
there
soon.
B
And
and
finally,
jason
the
public
private
partnership
that
we've
been
working
on
borrow
now
since
2014
2015
can
can
you
give
sort
of
an
update
on
that?
I
think
edmund
may
be
on
the
line.
I
know
we've
ran
into
some
brick
walls
there,
but
just
to
give
the
new
members
some
sense
of
the
kinds
of
public
private
partnership
and
public
public
partnerships
that
we
have
been
engaged
in
which
really
piggybacks
on
council
member
parker's
question,
because
I
think
it's
a
good
one.
H
Yeah,
so
the
the
long
borough
scenario
is
ongoing.
That's
certainly
true
we're
trying
to
work
with
ocrm
to
determine
how
to
permit
a
public
doc
there
we're
working
with
the
neighborhood
association,
along
with
the
ocrm,
to
determine
what
are
those
uses,
how
it
gets
permitted
and
a
joint
effort
to
get
that
little
hummuck
island
opened
up
to
the
public.
So
I
don't
know
if
edmund
has
anything
new
on
the
ocrm
side.
You
know
that
one
of
the
person
that
we
were
working
with
ocrm
left
and
went
into
the
private
sector.
H
B
There's
a
point
of
reference:
the
longboro
park
that
we're
talking
about
is
on
the
peninsula
and
it's
sort
of
a
you
call
it
a
spit
right
off
of
that
area.
Just
so
you'll
get
some
sense
of
of
where
it
is,
and
it's
right
on
the
ashley
river.
H
That's
right:
I
should
have
kind
of
given
a
little
overview
there,
so
it
it's
a
small
piece
of
land
off
of
the
old
longborough
redevelopment
site
and
it'll
provide
wonderful
access
to
the
ashley
river
once
we
get
those
agreements
completed.
So
I
see
in
january,
we
receive
comments
back
from
ocrm
we're
working
on
those
comments
through
our
consultants
and
then
they're
requiring
a
doc
master
plan
to
be
created,
which
I
won't
bore
you
with
all
the
details
about
all
of
the
requirements
to
construct
a
community
doc.
B
No,
but
I
mean
there
is
another
sort
of
public
public
partnership
with
the
county
with
respect
to
the
susie
jackson,
freedom
memorial
park
downtown
as
well.
So
there
there
there
are
a
councilman
parker.
There
are
some
existing
park
partnerships
that
I
think
we
can
build
on
as
well
as
create
new
ones
to
try
to
expand
the
park
and
recreational
opportunities.
A
I
Guys,
remember,
sheila
I'll
add
I
just
got
an
email
and
I
don't
know
if
you
sent
it
to
youtube
but
daniel
strickland,
who
was
in
the
maybank
tennis
group
with
lance
he
was
trying
to
get
on
in
our
zoom
call
but
couldn't
get
through
so
that
may
have
been
who
lance
was
going
to?
Let
do
the
presentation
he.
A
I
Said
he'd
like
to
try
to
share
information
next
meeting
time
so
I'll
reach
out
to
him,
and
let
him
know
that
I
did
work
with
that
group.
I
I
know
they
can't
they
contacted
several
council
members
and
you
all
had
a
previously
scheduled
city
council
meeting
that
night,
but
we
met
with
them
as
a
staff,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
they
were
having
some
challenges
with
getting
courts
reserved
for
practices
and
things
like
that
we
were
able
to
work
with
them
on
so
a
lot
of
the
needs
we
were
able
to
address
head
on,
but
they've
got
some
other
needs
which
are
going.
You
know.
I
Out
there,
but
I
know
that
he
did
want
to
make
sure
that
they,
everyone
on
the
commission
knew
he
would
apologize
for
not
being
able
to
get
through.
Technology
is
great
until
it's
not
great.
So
I
understand
that
too,
as
I
try
to
work
on
my
technology
as
well,
so
the
main
main
thing
I'll
say
and
I'm
sorry
I
was
off
on
my
camera.
I
I
Our
weather
is
already
starting
to
be
wonderful
again,
so
it's
just
it's
just
really
out
there
that
folks
want
their
parks
and
recreation.
They
love
their
parks
and
recreation.
They
told
us
that
loudly
and
clearly
when
we
did
the
master
plan-
and
I
know
that
everyone
on
this
committee
will
has
an
ear
to
that
anyway
or
you
wouldn't
be
serving
in
your
capacity.
I
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
continued
interest
in
parks
and
recreation
when
the
big
three
are
up
there
asking
for
your
attention,
it's
hard
for
us
to
get
it
too.
So
we're
appreciative
of
of
everybody's
efforts
and
in
trying
to
make
sure
that
our
city
is
a
wonderful
place
to
live
work
and
play.
A
Thank
you,
lori.
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
both
you
and
jason
do,
and
thank
you
for
working
with
that
tennis
group
and
and
and
coming
up
with
some
resolutions.
We
appreciate
it,
but
we
will
definitely
put
them
on
the
next
agenda
and
make
sure
they
have
a
spot.
I
hate
that
they
couldn't
get
in
this
time,
but
jason
anything
else
from
the
park.
H
Side,
no,
no,
I
think
that
covered
everything
on
the
agenda
just
looking
forward
to
bringing
back
to
you
all
with
our
consultants,
a
first
look
at
how
we
enter
into
some
sort
of
an
implementation
phase
of
of
the
master
plan.
Okay,
well,
very
good.
A
J
Yes,
sorry,
you
fro,
so
I
can't
I
I
can't.
I
know
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
I
can't
leave
today
without
just
obviously
thank
you
both
for
everything
you
do
for
parks
and
recreation.
You
know
it's
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
but
I
know
that
you
are
spread
thin
and
you
mentioned
that
earlier,
so
I
don't
want
to
leave
this
meeting
without
talking
about
staffing
and
any
other
issues
you
know
in
that
regard.
J
I
know
that
I
see
that
and
feel
that
personally
with
my
kids
sports,
I'm
here
on
james
island-
and
I
just
you
know
whether
we
put
it
on
the
next
time
or
if
it's
something
to
discuss
now
or
later,
with
hr
as
far
as
just
making
sure
that
we
are,
I
know
that
we
really
depend
on
volunteers
as
far
as
coaches,
but,
as
we
know,
like
you
said,
these
departments
are
spread
very
thin,
so
any
any
input
or
anything
you
know
we
can.
We
can
do
in
that
regard
or
is.
J
Is
this
something
that
we
can
add
as
an
agenda
item
or
how
are
staffing
issues?
Maybe
that
should
just
be
my
question.
I
Well,
I'll
I'll
speak
for
recreation,
we
have.
We
have
a
number
of
part-time
openings
right
now
and-
and
I
can't
speak
to
that
being
a
dollar
amount
problem.
Councilmember
parker,
because
city
council
did
vote
and
gave
us
an
increase
this
year.
I
So
we
have
a
a
fair
starting
wage
for
part-time
positions,
but
it
is
very
difficult
in
this
job
climate
to
find
folks
looking
for
part-time
jobs,
I'm
already
working
with
hr,
trying
to
take
some
part-time
positions
and
cobble
them
together
to
create
a
couple
more
full-time
positions,
hoping
that
maybe
we'll
have
more
candidates
interested
in
that,
but
we
have
had
several
new
seasonal
positions
out
there
on
our
job
board.
For
the
last
couple
weeks
and
lifeguards,
we've
had
63
people
pop
on
to
read
the
job
description
and
we've
had
zero
applications
from
that.
I
So
I
don't
think
it's
that
people
don't
understand.
Oh
it's
a
lifeguard.
I
don't
know
what
that
is.
Let
me
see.
Oh,
I
don't
want
to
do
that.
I
think
everyone
knows
what
a
lifeguard
position
is,
but
it's
just
it's
just
really
difficult
to
find
people
looking
for
seasonal
employment,
part-time
employment
and
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
my
department
depends
on.
I
Yes,
we
we
couldn't
do
a
thing
without
our
volunteers
and
we
use
them
and
and
and
need
them
and
and
all,
but
but
we're
going
to
continue
to
try
to
do
more
to
reach
out
to
colleges
and
high
schools,
I'm
considering
16
year
olds
as
lifeguards
this
year,
which
I
really
don't
like
that
idea.
But
I
have
I
want
to
open
pools
so
we're
going
to
have
to
make
sure
we
get
them
in
and
get
trained.
I
So
I
think
anything
we
can
all
do
collectively
of
this
city
to
help
get
folks
in
the
community
interested
in
going
to
our
jobs,
our
job
boards
and
looking
at
them
and
making
application
we're
just
competing
with
everybody
else.
Right
now
and
it's
not
an
easy
place
to
go,
find
those
folks.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
I
Absolutely
with
your
neighborhood
associations,
with
anybody
on
james
island
that
that
you're,
you
know
you're
talking
to
your
constituents,
you
know
it's
it's
just
it's
a
lot
different.
It
was
when
I
was
in
high
school
and
my
dad
said:
go
find
your
summer
job
and
he
told
me
that
in
january-
and
I
did-
and
so
we
just
don't
see
that
anymore
and
and
it's
it's
it's
tough.
So
that
would
be.
I
H
And
just
on
the
on
on
our
side.
As
far
as
the
maintenance
goes,
it's
it's
the
same
scenario.
We
have
lots
of
jobs.
Open
lots
of
views,
for
instance,
are
one
of
our
a
lead
groundskeeper
on
our
ball
field.
Cruise
been
open,
9,
30,
20,
21
2039
hits
on
the
advertisement,
eight
applicants.
F
B
And
the
bottom
line
is
competition,
just
in
terms
of
what's
out
there
these
days-
and
you
know
we're-
I
mean
we're
finally
at
a
at
a
14
minimum
wage,
but
these
days
folks,
look
at
14
minimum
is
nothing
in
comparison
to
what
they
can
get
today.
So
it's
a
very,
very
highly
competitive
job
market
as
well.
B
I
mean
because
there
are
tons
and
tons
of
jobs
out
there,
but
as
a
city,
you
know,
I
think,
we're
getting
closer
to
becoming
competitive,
but
we're
just
not
quite
there
yet,
especially
in
our
leadership
positions.
I
think
our
leader
leadership
positions
in
particular
can
use
another
boost
across
the
board
before
we
start
losing
them.
J
Yeah,
I
mean
agree.
We
all
know
that
you
know
the
pay
is
the
biggest
issue,
but
so
last
thing-
and
I
know
it-
it
may
be
going
a
little
far
far
out
there.
But
as
far
as
volunteers
go
I
mean
we
know
we
utilize
volunteers
for
coaching.
What
about
just
concessions
you
know
you
know
is
that
I
mean
I
understand
lori
that
might
not
be
a
huge
money
maker
for
y'all,
but
is
it
something
that
you've
looked
at?
J
I
I
But
we've
done
everything
from
using
volunteers
to
keep
score
games
I
mean,
but
I
have
to
have
paid
referees
and
umpires
or
we
won't
have
folks
show,
but
we
would
be
willing
to
do
anything
in
an
area
like
yours,
council,
member,
where
the
where
the
families
are
there,
it
does
help,
it
truly
does
and
we
don't
always
do
concessions
for
money
making.
We
do
it
as
a
service,
because
we
know
we
have
a
hard
time
grabbing
something
to
eat
for
getting
from
point
a
to
point
b.
We
know
parents
and
kids
do
too.
I
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
do
that,
but
in
some
of
my
other
parts
of
the
community,
where
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
parental
involvement,
it
it
it
will
not
work
but
but
certainly
on
james
island,
I've
given
allison
and
and
robin
and
the
the
the
hats
off
to
go
to
trial.
Whatever
will
work
for
you,
we
even
robin
even
found
a
new
gymnastics
instructor
on
her
facebook.
I
I
A
Great
well
thank
y'all,
very
much.
I
think
real
estate
committee
is
coming
up
very
quickly
and
we
need
to
be
off
by
3
30,
so
they
can
so
they
can
start.
So
if
there's
nothing
else,
that's
very,
very
pressing.
I'm
going
to
call
the
meeting
adjourn.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
all
your
time.