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From YouTube: City of Charleston Committee on Recreation 5/15/23
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City of Charleston Committee on Recreation 5/15/23
A
Right,
thank
you.
Madam
clerk
I
appreciate
that
I
want
to
welcome
everybody
into
the
City
of
Charleston
Recreation
committee
meeting
for
Monday
May,
15
2023,
and
just
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
It's
a
beautiful
day.
I
know
when
we're
talking
about
Parks
and
Recreation.
There's
many
of
us
that
would
like
to
be
outside,
although
I
can
see
that
councilman
Gregory
is
able
to
do
both
and.
C
A
We
ask
that
you'll
watch
over
our
our
staff
that
you'll
protect
those
who
are
enjoying
and
enjoying
our
parks
and
our
Recreation
facilities
today,
and
we
ask
that
you'll
just
guide.
Our
meeting
today
give
us
wisdom
and
allow
our
decisions
to
be
pleasing
to
you
for
it's
in
your
holy
and
precious
name.
We
pray
amen.
Thank.
D
A
E
A
You
got
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second
any
discussion
on
that
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you.
The
minutes
have
been
approved,
so
we
go
to
Old
business
and
we
talked
last
time
about
the
bond
referendum
project
and
some
requests
and
we
needed
to
have
further
discussion
on
that
and
talk
about
our
deadlines.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
fellow
council
members
mayor
so
I've
gotten,
four
responses
from
council
members
on
the
potential
bond
list.
So
thank
you
for
those
of
you
that
have
sent
those
in
I'd
like
to
request
that
at
the
maximum
I
think
we
have
about
two
weeks
so
do
best
to
get
them
by
the
end
of
next
week.
F
F
A
C
C
A
C
A
G
F
A
H
Ard
yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
Sheely
and
mayor
tecklenburg,
and
all
of
you
and
it's
been
a
pleasure
to
speak
to
most
of
you,
I,
think
and
and
kind
of
learn
what
your
own
goals
and
objectives
for
the
beautiful
city
of
Charleston
and
its
Parks
and
Recreation
programs.
So
without
further
Ado
I'm,
going
to
kind
of
give
you
a
little
update
as
where
we
are
and
sort
of
re-emphasize
some
of
Jason's
points,
so
I'm
going
to
see
if
I
can
do
a
screen
share.
Y'all,
let
me
know
if
you
can
see
it:
okay,.
A
H
Great,
so
this
work
is
not
just
myself,
but
also
my
colleague,
Jessica
Welch
she's,
the
real
brains
behind
the
operation
here
so
and
of
course,
we
are
not
moving
and
as
if
to
prove
a
point,
and
just
to
remind
you
all,
this
work
is
being
done
with
entirely
grant
funding
and
and
charitable
contributions
from
some
local
private
donors
at
the
parks.
Conservancy
has
helped
us
with
mayor.
Techlinburg
did
on
your
behalf.
Ask
us
to
do
this
work
and
Doris
Duke
cheer,
wolf.
Foundation
is
kind
enough
to
to
fund
it.
H
Sometimes
people
think
well.
If,
if
your
goal
is
to
you
know,
focus
on
Parks
and
connecting
people
to
Outdoors,
aren't
you
going
to
give
us
an
overly
Rosy
View
and,
as
I'll
show
you
in
a
moment.
We
are
all
about
success
if,
if
the
data
were
to
come
back
and
the
analysis
come
back
and
say
that
this
isn't
a
good
thing
at
this
time,
we
would
definitely
tell
you
to
keep
working
in
the
community
and
not
go
to
ballot.
H
Yet
because
we
love
to
win,
we
hate
to
lose
so,
but
we
really
want
to
be
guided
by
your
values.
Your
communities
values
and
make
sure
that
we're
not
getting
out
of
front
of
where
your
Public's
at
so
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
very
briefly
today
is
this
report,
which
Jason
has
a
copy
of
and,
and
we
will
share
with
you
as
soon
as
we
get
it
all
finalized
from
the
staff
perspective.
But
as
we've
talked
about,
there
are
some
deadlines,
we're
sort
of
starting
to
face
down
here.
H
The
feasibility
study
for
Charleston
is
somewhat
abbreviated.
Sometimes
we
look
at
every
possible
funding
source
under
the
under
the
sun.
In
this
case,
we
really
focused
in
on
on
bonds
and
I'll
I'll
kind
of
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
later,
but
we
are
at
this
moment
really
looking
for
your
feedback
and
that
of
all
of
your
colleagues,
if
there's
a
list
longer
than
the
dollar
amount
and
I'm
going
to
touch
on
that
in
just
a
moment.
That's
okay,
because
what
we're
going
to
do
next
is
some
public
opinion.
H
Research
I
know
that
when
you
did
the
one
Charleston,
Parks
and
Recreation
master
plan,
there
was
some
research
done.
I'll
share
that
this
is
really
focused
in
on
City
voters,
because
we
are
looking
at
the
November
2023
palette
and
I
actually
just
got
an
email
saying
that
26
000,
something
something
voters
cast
ballots
in
2019
and
we'll
be
looking
at
them
in
the
newly
registered
and
those
who
are
projected
and
modeled
to
to
turn
out.
H
Sometimes
a
Parks
needs
analysis
is
looking
at
broader
groups,
users
and-
or
you
know,
folks
who
may
be
wonderful
members
of
the
community,
but
are
too
young
or
are
not
yet
registered
or
not
diligent
about
voting
and
as
much
as
we
love
them,
they
are
not
our
audience
when
we're
talking
about
a
voter,
approved
measure
say
this
is
a
statistically
accurate
poll.
The
pollster
that
we've
chosen
did
our
polling
last
year
in
Beaufort
and
Dorchester
and
Berkeley
counties.
H
H
There
are
some
limitations
to
what
we
can
learn
from
the
polling,
but
I'll
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
that
and
why
we
poll
and
what
we're
particularly
looking
for
and
then
obviously
it
all
has
to
be
ground
traits
and
approved
at
a
policy
level
by
you
all
I'm,
going
to
touch
on
that
just
a
little
bit.
Our
whole
mission
is
connecting
everyone
to
the
outdoors,
that's
Davis,
Bailey
Park
up
in
up
in
Dorchester
County,
and
we
work
in
natural
areas
that
that
little
play
equipment
at
my
children's
own
Elementary
School.
H
H
Since
1996.,
we
worked
on
a
bunch
in
South,
Carolina,
overall
93
billion
in
funding,
and
our
overall
passage
rate
is
about.
These
are
not
just
measures
that
trust
Republic
land
works
on,
but
across
the
country
with
or
without
us,
about,
76
percent
of
bond
measures
related
to
parks
and
natural
land's
pass
and,
interestingly
enough,
it's
in
good
times
and
in
bad.
It's
in
Democratic
administrations
and
Republican.
It's
really
sort
of
regard
regardless
of
the
economy
or
whatever
crisis
is
underway.
H
I
will
tell
you
I
thought
a
lot
of
stuff
was
going
to
drop
off
and
or
fail
in
2020
we
had
49
ballot
measures
that
trust
Republic
land
worked
on
across
the
country
in
2020.
Excuse
me
50
and
49
past
last
year
we
had
I,
think
33
and
30
past
the
three
that
that
we
assisted
with
in
South
Carolina,
along
with
a
lot
of
local
Partners,
Lake,
Country,
Land,
Trust,
Lord,
Berkeley
conservation,
trust
conservation,
Invaders
of
South,
Carolina
and
others
all
three
of
those
passed
most
of
the
ones
in
Florida
passed.
H
H
H
We
need
to
have
a
Target
amount,
a
Target
list
of
projects
which
again
can
be
longer
than
the
ultimate
list,
it's
great
to
ask
sort
of
a
blue
sky
list
and
then
narrow
it
down,
based
on
kind
of
a
lot
of
different
factors,
not
the
least
of
which
is
how
people
feel
about
different
projects.
We
make
program
recommendations,
we'll
work
with
your
city
attorney's
office,
to
develop
the
ballot
language.
H
We
need
a
draft
of
ballot
language
to
go
to
the
public
opinion
surveying,
and
so
we
sort
of
start
with
something
we
hope
is
pretty
close
and
that
your
attorney
is
comfortable
with
and
then
we
adjust
it
based
on
what
we
learn
and
then
we
will
work
with
a
local
citizens
group
for
a
campaign.
It
has
to
be
locally
LED.
There
need
to
be
trusted,
people
on
the
ground
from
Charleston
who
look
and
sound
like
Charleston,
actually
working
on
the
campaign,
but
we
do
help
with
best
practices,
messaging,
development
of
materials
and
so
on.
H
So
the
three
key
elements
here
or
the
demonstrated
need
I
mean
in
a
beautiful
classic
old
city
like
Charleston.
That
is
one
of
America's
great
places.
There
is
clearly
a
need
for
a
first-class
Park
system,
there's
clearly
extraordinary
infrastructure
demands.
Overall
I
was
reading
the
posting
Courier
this
week
about
your
underground
tunnels,
which
is
a
environmental
engineer.
Myself
I
was
super
fascinated
by,
but
I
used
to
hold
it
in
a
historic
home
and
I
know
once
you
start
digging,
you're,
not
sure
what
you're
going
to
find.
So
you
have
great
needs.
H
You
have
I
believe
you
will
have
Community
engagement
and
support,
but
if
you
don't
we're
going
to
tell
you
to
keep
working
on
it
and
then,
obviously
without
the
city
council
and
mayor
tecklenburg
support,
this
can't
go
forward.
If,
for
any
point
any
one
of
these
three
things
were
to
fall
apart,
we
would
again
step
back
and
say:
let's
keep
working
in
the
community,
let's
keep
engaging
citizen
groups
and
business
groups
and
and
neighborhood
groups,
and
so
on,
and
let's
wait
until
we
can
get
to
the
point
where
we
can
succeed.
H
So
all
of
this
will
lead
ultimately
to
clear,
descriptive
and
legal
ballot
language
that
we
hope
will
be
approved
by
the
Vader.
The
reason
the
ballot
language
is
so
very,
very
important
is
that
everyone
who
will
cast
a
vote
in
on
this
measure
is
going
to
read
that
ballot
language
and
we've,
oddly
enough
done
exit
polling
surveying.
H
They
actually
did
it
in
Iowa,
which
is
I'm
gonna
as
a
flora,
Floridian
I'm
going
to
tell
you
it's
not
the
least
thoughtful
electoral
state
in
the
nation
Iowa,
because
the
Iowa
caucuses
and
all
of
that
40
of
people
in
Iowa
told
us
that
they
made
the
decision
on
a
ballot
measure
while
standing
in
The
Ballot
Box.
So
it
is
really
important
that
the
language
when
people
read
it,
it's
clear,
it's
concise.
It
makes
sense
to
them.
It's
legal,
it's
ethical,
you're
not
going
to
be
challenged
on
it.
H
So
that's
why
we
think
it's
so
important
to
move
along
here.
So
where
are
we
at
y'all
do
have
a
great
Parks
and
Recreation
master
plan
that
I
know
you
did
a
tremendous
amount
of
public
input
on
and
yet
it
is
got
a
longer
list
of
of
needs
than
we
can
likely
meet
in
any
one
ballot
measure
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why,
in
a
moment,
we
are
currently
focused
on
viability
for
November
2023.
As
you
know,
there
are
other
City
elections
on
that
ballot.
H
If,
for
any
reason,
that
doesn't
look
like
a
viable
ballot
to
to
work
with,
we
can
of
course
look
at
other
other
options
so
and
I'm
sorry.
This
is
so
small,
but
hopefully
you
can
get
up
close
to
the
screen
and,
and
we
will
Jason
housy
slides,
will
make
sure
that
you
have
them.
So
you
can
read
them
at
your
leisure.
H
H
One
of
the
reasons
that
makes
sense
for
a
city
like
Charleston
is
because
you
know
if
you
make
major
Capital
Improvements
in
your
Parks
and
Recreation
facilities,
they're
going
to
be
used
for
10
20
30
40
years,
and
so
it
makes
sense
that
they're
paid
out
over
10
20
30
40
years.
On
the
other
hand,
you
do
have
to
pay
interest
on
bonds,
and,
and,
as
we
know,
interest
has
been
rising
over
recent
years,
so
there
are
pros
and
cons.
H
I
will
say
sometimes
if
the,
if
the
cost
to
building
things
and
or
inflation
is
going
up
faster
than
your
interest
rate,
it
can
also
make
sense
to
go
ahead
and
do
projects
with
bonds.
But
the
other
option
is,
of
course,
to
do
a
pay,
as
you
go
where
you
just
you
know,
allocate
a
certain
amount
of
money
in
every
single
budget
year
and
you
don't
do
a
bond
issue,
but
I'm
gonna
kind
of
focus
in
on
one
line
of
this
table.
H
Just
to
kind
of
give
you
the
detail
that
that
I
believe
you
need
to
know
if
the
City
of
Charleston
were
due
were
to
do
a
60
million
dollar
Bond.
So
you
would
have
the
ability
to
have
60
million
dollars
of
capital
funding.
Bonds
are
only
for
Capital
and
we'll
talk
about
that.
In
just
a
moment.
You
can't
use
bonds
to
do
staff,
salaries
or
or
equipment.
That's
less
than
a
certain
number
of
years
old
going
to
be
around
I
mean
you
can
use
it
to
purchase
equipment.
H
That's
that's
long-term
equipment,
but
you
can't
use
it
for
for
short-term
supplies
and
things
like
that.
But
regardless
60
million
dollar
Bond
would
cost
about
4.8
million
per
year
to
pay
back
over
20
years,
so
the
mill
increase
associated
with
that
is
2.56
plus
Mills,
based
on
your
current
tax
base
that
is
21
per
year
for
a
200
000
home.
H
Although,
as
we
all
know,
you
can't
really
easily
buy
a
200
000
home
in
Charleston,
so
the
median
home
in
Charleston
that
would
end
up
being
about
55
a
year
that
median
and
I'm
sure
as
long-term
charlestonians
are
going
to
get
a
little
sticker
shock
here.
But
your
median
household
right
now
in
Charleston
is
assessed
at
532
thousand
dollars.
H
So
that
is
kind
of
that.
I
will
tell
you
that
about
50
a
year
mark
is
about
what
we're
typically
looking
at
lower
is
always
better.
So
it's
going
to
be
easier
to
pass
a
30
million
dollar
Bond
than
a
60
million
dollar
Bond
I
have
seen
much
higher
amounts.
The
highest
I've
ever
seen
was
Doral
Florida,
which
was
over
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
year,
but
it's
a
very,
very
affluent
community.
H
So
could
you
push
it
higher?
Could
you
go
to
80
or
100?
Perhaps
I
will
tell
you
what
we
would
probably
encourage
you
to
do.
If
you
said
okay,
we
hear
that
60
might
be
about
viable,
but
we'd
like
to
do
a
hundred
the
way.
We
would
probably
ask
that
question
in
the
poll
is
to
a
statistically
valid
sample
of
people.
H
As
we
would
say,
we
would
ask
the
60
million
first
and
then
to
those
who
said
yes,
we
would
say
well
what
if
it
were
80
and
the
additional
costs
were
this,
so
you
can
kind
of
test
some
different
amounts,
but
but
I
will
tell
you
that
once
you
throw
out
a
lower
number,
the
other
way
you
can
do
it
is.
You
can
split
the
sample,
but
that
decreases
the
accuracy
of
the
answer.
H
So
we
don't
usually
like
to
do
that
now,
if
and
I
know,
from
I've
been
meeting
with
Jason
on
and
off
for,
oh
goodness,
a
couple
years
now,
I
think
if
the
city
really
and
I
know
you
do
need
to
do
more
than
just
Capital,
but
also
operations
and
maintenance.
The
city
council
could
also
look
at
other
funding
sources,
including
just
straight
millage,
dedication
of
millage,
either
in
your
existing
budget
or
user
fees
or
other
options.
H
H
So
this
is
what
I
would
describe
as
a
worst
case
scenario,
because
it
assumes
that
there's
no
tax-based
growth
over
20
years
and
that
there's
no
annexation
and
that
there's
all
the
debts
issued
right
up
front,
and
so
those
are
all
kind
of
hopefully
not
true
things.
But
anyway
we
kind
of
give
you
a
worst
case
scenario
here
so
quickly.
H
Let's
look
and
I'm
running
out
of
time
here,
but
quickly,
so
overall
bonds
do
pass
about
84
percent
of
the
time
for
parks
and
land
projects,
property
taxes
pass
at
more,
like
70
percent
of
the
time.
Those
are
really
the
two
big
options
for
cities,
so
you
know
there's
a
pretty
decent
good
chance
and
that's
across
all
types
of
government
cities.
Count
and
cities
are
usually
less
less
averse
to
taxes
than
counties
and
so
I
think
your
chances
are
quite
good.
H
I'll
say
in
South,
Carolina
I
think
we've
worked
on
nine
or
ten
measures,
and
we
we
have
seen
every
one
of
those
paths
and
again
it's
usually
a
really
strong
Coalition
of
a
lot
of
different
local
groups,
but
we're
really
proud
of
the
work
that
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
with
folks
there
in
South
Carolina,
so
property
taxes
are
more
flexible.
Of
course
nobody
loves
property
taxes
alone,
but
they
are
your
fundamental
funding
source
for
city
government,
I.
Think
about
30
percent
of
your
budget
is
funded
by
property
tax
taxes.
H
It's
at
80.3
Mills
today,
which
raises
over
107
million
dollars
a
year.
If
you
just
wanted
to
raise
property
taxes
or
dedicate
you
know
some
gross
in
your
property
tax
revenue
to
the
Parks
and
Recreation
programs
now
this
is
what
that
would
look
like
if
you
said
well,
let's
just
do
a
well,
let's
focus
on
one,
because
that's
easy
just
multiply
one
times
anything
else.
H
If
you
want
to
do
a
one
mil
increase
that
raises
1.88
million
dollars
per
year
and
costs
a
typical
homeowner
about
twenty
one
dollars
a
year,
you
can
of
course
do
a
combination
of
this
overall
property
taxes
are
really
in
the
purview
of
city,
council
and
and
city
council.
You
know
with
increasing
numbers
of
majorities
and
super
majorities,
the
higher
you
go
of
course,
but
you
can
raise
taxes
for
any
valid
public
purpose
at
any
time.
H
Most
people
don't
like
that,
of
course,
which
is
why
we
start
to
talk
about
whether
it
ought
to
be
sent
to
the
voters
for
something
like
Parks
and
Recreation.
The
thing
to
know,
though,
is
that,
if
you
were
to
say
well,
let's
just
send
a
property
tax
option
to
the
voters
that
is
non-binding.
Any
City
Council
in
the
future
need
not
go
by
that
I
mean
most
many
times.
We
see
that
they
do,
but
if
you
had
a
city
council
in
two
years
or
five
years,
say
look
we
done
you
know.
H
We
know
that
80
percent
of
people
voted
for
that,
but
we're
not
going
to
do
it
anymore.
That
is
entirely
with
their
within
their
rights
as
elected
officials,
and
so
that's
why?
While
we
do
we
do
a
lot
of
these.
It's
not
necessarily
the
most
reliable
option,
because
when
tough
times
hit,
they
usually
do
roll
back
those
rates,
and
so
that's
you
know,
and
the
staff
can't
really
rely
on
that
always
always
coming
in
as
I
mentioned.
The
ballot
language
is
very.
Very
important.
H
Here
are
just
two
examples
of
ballot
measures
that
transfer
public
land,
assisted
with.
In
2019
we
assisted
Dorchester
County
with
their
parks
and
also
Library
bonds.
We
did
the
ballot
language
and
helped
with
the
excuse.
Me
did
the
polling
and
the
feasibility
research
and
help
with
the
ballot
language
design
there
with
Mr
Crampton
who's,
their
County
attorney,
and
so
this
is
how
that
read.
H
I
won't
bore
you
with
it,
but
the
thing
I
do
want
to
kind
of
point
out
here
is
that
it
really
kind
of
lists
out
the
specific
projects:
the
Dorchester
County
Courthouse
Park,
which
is
now
known
as
Davis
Bailey
Park.
That
was
what
it
was
called
back
then
Ashley,
River
Park,
which
I
hope
you
all
have
seen.
If
you
haven't
it's
quite
beautiful
rosenbrock
Park,
Swamp,
Fox,
connector,
Pond,
Trace,
Natural
Area,
that's
under
development
now,
and
the
development
of
hiking
biking
and
pedestrian
trails
and
bridges.
H
So
we
polled
every
word
that
was
in
this
ballot
language
and
we
amended
it
some
and
we
pulled
the
amount
and
so
on,
and
then
the
Beaufort
County
language
that
passed
in
2018.
My
college
colleague
will
abiger
worked
on
that.
He
also
worked
on
Charleston
Greenbelt
program,
but
for
the
county
which
I
know
y'all
have
done
great
work
with,
but
that
one
actually
lists
out.
H
You
know
Shelby
County
issue,
General
obligation,
bonds,
not
to
see
25
million
for
the
purpose
of
land
preservation,
blah
blah
blah
and
again
the
it
goes
through
place,
names,
Wildlife,
Area,
Wetlands,
natural
areas.
It
really
paints
a
picture
to
Vaders
as
to
what
they
will
get
if
they
vote
Yes
and
we
often
yeah
there.
It
is
the.
E
H
Thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
here:
is
we
were
a
little
more
persuasive
with
the
Beaufort
County
attorney
than
with
Dorchester?
We
like
to
see
this
language
that
says
all
expenditures
shall
be
subject
to
an
annual
independent
audit,
blah
blah
blah,
because
that
gives
voters
assurance
and
we
we
will
communicate
that
often
in
the
ballot
in
the
in
the
voter
Communications
that
they
know
that
I
mean.
As
you
know,
these
counties
are
doing
independent
audits
anyway,
but
not
every
voter
knows
that.
H
So,
where
are
we
now,
as
Jason
shared
before
we
got
started?
We
need
you
all,
as
the
elected
official
to
officials
to
at
least
give
us
a
broad
list
of
potential
projects,
and
they
can
be
I
mean
it
can
be
specific.
You
know
we
need
a
recreation
center
on
this
location
or
we
need
a
pool
renovation
in
that
location,
or
we
need
trails
in
this
other
place,
or
it
can
be
broad
categories.
We
want
to
do
lighting
improvements
in
Parks.
We
want
to
do
safety
improvements
in
Parks.
H
We
want
to
increase
access
to
the
Ashley.
River
I
mean
you
name
it
we
can.
We
can
find
out
how
people
feel
about
it.
I
will
tell
you,
in
general,
people
tend
to
really
focus
on
access
to
the
water,
water
quality
projects
that
are
improving
those
things
and
certainly
Park.
Safety
is
always
very
important,
getting
children
outside
and
out
from
behind
their
electronic
devices.
H
Again,
you
don't
need
to
issue
all
of
the
bonds
and
you
don't
need
to
issue
all
all
of
them
at
once,
but
we
like
to
sort
of
know
a
max
amount
that
would
appear
in
the
ballot
language,
and
then
we
really
do
like
to
see
those
what
we
call
accountability:
measures
like
annual
independent
Audits
and
citizen
oversight.
That
just
gives
you
know
if
people
are
hesitant
about
something
like
this.
H
It's
normally
because
they're
not
100,
confident
that
the
local
government's
going
to
do
what
they
asked
them
to
do,
and
so
we
like
to
build
in
those
assurances.
So
we
sort
of
started
here
in
terms
of
the
dates
and
deadlines.
The
very
last
date
to
send
the
ballot
language
to
the
Charleston
County
election
Stakes
is
Monday
August
15th
at
noon.
H
We
would
really
love
to
see
it
much
sooner
than
that,
because
it's
hard
to
really
get
the
campaign
up
and
running
up
until
the
point
that
the
ballot
language
has
been
formally
affirmed
and,
as
you
know,
things
normally
go
to
several
readings.
I
think
three,
and
so
you
want
to
you,
know,
sort
of
get
all
that
lined
up
and
working
backwards
from
there.
H
So
the
three
reasons
we
do
poll
we're
testing
the
viability
again.
If
the
data
were
to
come
back
and
say
you
know,
only
32
percent
of
people
think
this
is
a
good
idea
at
this
time.
We
would
strongly
recommend
you
not
go
forward.
I
would
be
shocked
at
that.
We
normally
see
numbers
in
the
mid,
60s
or
higher
we're,
assessing
which
projects
and
purposes
are
most
popular
with
the
Vaders.
H
You
all
have
a
finger
on
the
pulse
of
that
oftentimes,
but
we
like
to
just
confirm
that
and
then
we
want
to
understand
the
electorate.
You
know
different
segments
of
the
electorate
which
messages
resonate
strongest
with
with
which
segments
you
know.
Different
neighborhoods
may
have
different,
focuses
and
needs,
and-
and
you
know,
younger
Democratic
women
may
have
different
values
than
older,
Republican
men,
for
example,
and
so
we
might
communicate
with
them
differently
when
the
time
comes.
This
is
just
an
example
of
the
kind
of
data
we
get
back.
H
This
is
actually
with
the
same
poster
that
we're
going
to
use
in
in
Charleston
that
this
was
in
Berkeley
County.
So
we
did
talk
to
some
of
your
residents,
of
course,
on
Daniel
Island,
but
we
were
actually
testing
the
exact
ballot
language.
We
had
to
summarize
it
some
because
the
sales
tax
language
tends
to
be.
You
know
like
War
and
Peace
in
South
Carolina.
H
It
just
goes
on
and
on
so
we
summarized
it
some,
but
this
was
you
know:
I
approve
a
special
sales
and
use
tax
and
the
amount
of
one
percent
to
be
imposed
in
Berkeley
County
blah
blah
blah.
So
the
initial
data
came
back
at
46,
but
the
reason
we
were
able
to
conflict
confidently
encourage
them
to
go
forward
in
reauthorizing.
H
But
then
this
is
the
king
thing
that
was
really
key
actually
in
both
Berkeley
and
Dorchester
was
that
it
was
not,
in
that
case,
a
new
measure,
but
a
continuation
of
the
same
rate,
and
so
the
second
question
that
we
asked
after
we
asked
asked
the
initial
ballot
question
was:
if
you
knew
this
ballot
measure
would
continue
the
same
rate
which
cost
the
average
Berkeley
County
resident
about
55
dollars
per
year
over
11
years.
Would
you
vote
Yes
in
favor,
or
no
against?
That
came
back
at
55.
H
These
are
the
Dorchester
and
Beaufort
materials
that
went
out
by
mail,
but
we
were
also
involved
in
producing
videos
and
telephone
town
halls
in
paid
ads
on
Facebook
and
popping
up
on
YouTube
videos,
and
you
name
it.
We
did
help
raise
a
lot
of
that
money
with
our
local
on
the
ground
organizations
like
Lord,
Lord,
Berkeley
conservation,
trust,
Low,
Country,
Land,
Trust,
nature,
conservancy
and
others,
and
so
we
really
work
in
Coalition
in
a
city
like
Charleston.
H
We
very
much
want
to
work
in
Coalition
with
groups
like
NAACP
or
Urban
League
or
neighborhood
associations,
business
associations,
I
mean
you
are
a
very
interesting
and
diverse
City,
and
we
need
to
have
an
interesting
and
diverse
campaign
to
represent
that
City.
So
I
will
just
close
with
that.
I
think
you
all
know
know
how
to
reach
me,
but
if
you
don't,
this
is
my
email
phone
number
and
my
colleague
Jessica,
who,
as
I
said,
did
a
lot
of
the
work
and
we
are
going
to
send
you
these
slides.
G
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
Miss
Hanrahan
for
all
that
information.
You
know
I'm
very
excited
about
this.
I
don't
want
if
I
think
some
of
these
questions
might
get
us
a
little
into
the
weeds.
So
if
stop
me
councilmember
shealy,
if
maybe
we
need
to
move
these
questions
to
another
meeting
or
or
with
another
department,
but
and
also
maybe
some
of
our
members
who
have
been
through
this
before-
can
help
me
with
this
or
or
again
say-
maybe
discussion
for
another
time.
G
G
Another
question
so
I'm
curious,
I
know
we
have
to
do
this
city-wide,
but
are
there
ways
or
is
there
a
a
possibility?
I
I'm
not
sure
if
we
have
someone
from
legal
on
here
that
that
different
areas
can
be
can
be
carved
out,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
you
know.
Thinking
thinking
about
downtown
like
the
downtown
area
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
like
our
a
tax
money
can
be
used
for
some
of
the
park,
needs
that
people
may
request
in
their
sort
of
request
list.
G
If
we
can
use
funds
for
that,
then
we
can
utilize
the
bond
referendum
for
other
things
is
that
if
that's
correct,
if,
if
I'm
incorrect,
please
tell
me
and
then
last
year's
tax
increase.
It
was
about
the
same
if
I'm
not
right,
y'all
about
three
mils
so
about
about
fifty
dollars
a
household
and
those
were
really
my
three
questions.
I
H
H
H
You
can
do
impact
fee,
I
mean
I,
I
will
confess.
I
am
not
100
sure
if
you
already
have
a
Parks
and
Recreation
impact
fee.
That
is
normally
done
to
address
the
demands
associated
with
new
growth,
so
it
doesn't
obviously
meet
the
needs
and
communities
that
might
not
be
experiencing
as
much
New
Growth,
which
are
often
you
know
more
disadvantaged
communities.
B
G
G
Again,
I
think
I
think
because
you
most
of
y'all
know
you
know
what
James
Island
would
like
to
see
as
a
new
recreation
center
in
a
pool.
So
those
are
obviously
that's.
That's
a
that's
a
huge
sum
of
money
that
I
don't
think
this
Bond
referendum
may
be
able
to
facilitate
so
I'm
just
I'm
just
curious.
What
kind
of
options
are
out
there
all
right
great
well.
Thank
you.
A
D
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
councilmember
Parker
with
regard
to
the
island,
because
I
think
we're
in
the
same
place
and
I
know
nothing
that
would
prohibit
us
from
putting
our
wishlist
there
and
working
back
because
I'm
with
you
in
terms
of
another
Recreational
facility
on
on
James,
Island
and,
of
course,
I'm
thinking
about
Westchester
swimming
facility.
Yeah.
Let's
talk
about
it,
but
I
think
we're
we're
pretty
close
and
I.
Don't
think
that
nothing
would
prohibit
us
from
putting
the
max
out
there
and
then
work
backwards
if
we
had
to.
A
G
H
So
August
15th
is
a
state
of
South
Carolina
statute
that
you
cannot
go
beyond.
That
is
the
very
final
point
at
which
you
need
to
submit
the
actual
final
ballot
language
that
has
been
duly
and
properly
adopted
through
city
council
to
Charleston
County
for
the
elections,
for
them
to
print
the
ballots
and
everything
else,
and
so,
if
you
work
backwards
from
there
in
terms
of
when
your
meetings
will
be
held
and-
and
you
know
you
advertise
your
ordinances
or
resolutions
over
your
attorney's
office,
has
you
do
it
and
so
on?
H
And
we
really
need
I
mean
I
asked
the
pollster
last
week
when
we
could,
you
know
be
in
the
field,
and
he
said
you
know
they
don't
like
to
do
it
over
say
a
holiday
weekend
or
something
like
that.
But
he
said
you
know
we
can
realistically
be
in
the
field
within
you
know
a
week
or
10
days,
but
then
you
need
some
time,
obviously
to
absorb
all
of
that.
H
A
H
Meanwhile,
if,
if
you
know,
while
that
is
going
on,
you
know
we're
going
to
be
going
and
meeting
with
folks
in
the
community
to
try
to
raise
money,
because
it's
just
like
any
one
of
your
campaigns,
we
need
to
raise
money
to
you,
know,
put
out
mailers
and
build
websites
and
do
ads
and
that's
entirely
private.
We
can't
use
a
single
dollar
of
public
money.
To
do
that.
I
will
say
it
is
you
know
not,
unlike
one
of
your
races,
is
that
or
any
of
your
races?
H
E
G
E
G
A
Yeah
and
I
I
guess
Ms
sander
hand,
you
tell
me
if
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
we're
ready
to
have
another
another
session
with
the
full
commit
I
mean
with
the
full
Council
I
mean.
Maybe
we
need
to
do
that.
You
know
and
I
understand.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
in
the
summertime,
our
our
meetings
kind
of
get
jammed
with
extra
stuff
because
we
only
meet
once
a
month
and
we
go.
We
go
late
and
things
get
lost
in
some
of
that.
A
H
C
G
A
B
F
So
if,
if
I
may,
just
to
tag
on
to
that
time
is
of
the
essence
for
us
to
compile
a
list
of
projects
and
bring
them
back
to
you
in
time
to
meet
all
these
deadlines
is
going
to
be
a
challenge.
So
we're
gonna
have
to
have
some
flexibility
on
how
we
create
a
list
of
projects
and
not
making
it
too
finite,
but
not
making
it
too
infinite
right.
F
A
H
And
just
to
give
you
some
I
know,
it
feels
extremely
rushed
and
pressure,
but
I,
because
you
all
have
done
a
lot
of
work
already
through
your
master
planning
process,
because
it
is
a
city
with
a
strong
sense
of
self
and
identity
and
I
I
will
say:
I
know
that
we
were
right
up
against
the
deadline
in
Dorchester
both
times.
So
it's
not
I
mean
I
actually
kind
of
personally
like
a
little
bit
of
a
quick
campaign.
H
A
H
A
Thank
you
all
right.
So
next
on
our
agenda
is
the
the
friends
of
the
muni,
and
we
have
Bobby
Collins
on
with
us
now
and
just
want
to
mention
the
friends
of
the
Munich
they've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work,
they're
a
great
group
of
two.
What
I'm
going
to
try
to
see
if
I
can
share
my
screen
to
Let's
see
we
got
screen.
One
screen
two
screen
three.
Well,
that's
not
wanting
to
share
okay!
Here
we
go
maybe
it'll
share.
I
A
Far
as
the
city
of
communicating
with
the
friends
of
the
muni
and
and
back
and
forth
having
great
Communications,
both
Laura
Yarborough
and
Jason
cronsberg
have
been
out
to
meetings
with
Friends
of
the
muni
as
well
as
Matt
frolick,
mayor
tecklenburg
has
been
there
and
Rick
Giroux
has
been
in
some
meetings
with
Friends
of
the
muni
lately,
just
to
open
up
our
Communications
and
make
sure
we're
all.
On
the
same
page.
We've
got
man
such
a
gem.
A
It's
such
a
beautiful
place
and
and
we
need
to
work
together
because
everybody
has
has
goals
in
mind
to
make
it
the
best
possible
thing
for
our
citizens
here,
and
you
can
see
on
my
screen
here
when
it
says
about
the
friends.
Immunity
first
thing
it
says,
is
for
y'all
that's
their
slogan
and
and
it's
it's
for
everybody
and
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
steal
any
of
Bobby's
Thunder,
because
I
know
he
wants
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
as
well.
But
I
thought
I'd
bring
this
up.
A
So
you
kind
of
see
who's
on
the
friends
of
the
munia
who
the
board
members
are,
but
this
will
kind
of
give
you
an
idea.
You'll
recognize
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
these
people
that
do
a
lot
of
great
things
in
our
community
and
and
who
they
are
and
I
thought
I
would
just
play
this.
This
is
a
little
video
they've
got
as
well.
Hopefully
you
can
hear
it
as
well
as
see
it
here.
E
I
I
A
J
You
Mr
chairman
Mr,
Mayor,
hello,
other
council,
members
and
staff
greetings.
Thank
you.
So
much
I'm
excited
my
first
meeting
with
y'all
and
I
just
want
to
share
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
doing,
not
only
but
building
a
new
website.
It's
Friends
of
the
media.com.
If
you
want
to
go,
go
back
to
that
and
watch
so
you
can
hear
the
thing
it's
it
was.
It
was
well
done
and
kind
of
it's
gotten,
some
pretty
good
attention
on
on
the
activity
of
our
our
website.
J
Two
things
again
what
we've
been
doing,
what
we're
pushing
to
do
in
Into,
the
Future
we've
been
involved
in
four
major
funding:
major,
not
it's
not
all
the
money
in
the
world,
but
things
that
needed
to
be
done
and
sort
of
along
the
the
lines
of
renovation
related
projects.
We
helped
spend
four
thousand
dollars
for
new
blade
sharpeners,
as
you
can
imagine.
If
you
can't
cut
the
grass
at
a
golf
course
you're
in
trouble,
so
they
they
were
in
dire
need
at
the
many
of
the
new
blade
sharpener.
J
We
helped
to
fund
that
for
four
thousand
dollars.
A
number
of
sprinkler
heads
were
either
pointed
in
the
wrong
direction
or
gotten
run
over
by
mowers,
and
it
was
another
seven
thousand
dollars.
We
were
happy
to
to
help
with
that.
We
were.
We
were
awarded
25
000
Grant
from
the
fairways
Foundation
to
enhance
sort
of
the
the
environment.
J
What
we're
going
to
use
it
for
is
to
buy
about
10
000
plants
and
put
them
in
the
ponds
between
12
13
and
maybe
a
few
over
on
on
50
whole
pond,
because
it'll
it'll
help
to
create
better
water
quality,
help
with
flooding
by
absorbing
more
water
during
storms
and
and
according
to
some
local
fishermen.
It's
the
new
Marsh
grasses
might
give
the
redfish
a
place
to
hide
out
in
a
Big
Flats
by
12T
and
13
Fairways.
J
If
we
step
back,
we
were
thinking.
Okay,
we've
got
the
bathrooms.
What
might
be
the
next
project
to
help
so
we
sort
of
headlong
into
maybe
it's
a
clubhouse
renovation.
Maybe
it's
a
turn
house
that
might
be
combined
with
some
shelter
from
from
the
weather
for
programs,
youth
programs
and
adult
programs.
J
We
got
a
friend
of
a
number
of
us,
a
guy
named
Gary
Bain
who's,
a
retired
architect
at
locally,
and
he
came
out
with
the
Tony,
Morelli
and
and
and
Stuart
Whiteside
on
our
on
our
board.
And
yes,
they
started
talking
about
this
building
and
that
building-
and
here
he
said
hold
on-
do
you
all
have
a
master
master
plan
or
anything
for
the
campus?
J
No
was
the
answer,
so
he
suggested
that
we
step
back
and
and
begin
that
project
process,
and
we
did
so
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
Rick
Drew
showed
up
at
a
at
a
very
informal
sort
of
brainstorming
session,
not
I,
wouldn't
he
couldn't
even
call
it
a
planning
session.
But
a
brainstorming
session
is
just
to
sort
of
lay
out
some
ideas
and
and
of
course,
as
usual,
Rick
Rick
had
another
great
idea,
which
was
well
the
next
time
you
all
get
together
to
talk
about
this.
J
Maybe
you
include
Jason
and
Matt
frolick
as
well
as
it's
Laurie.
So
we
did
that
in
our
last
board
meeting
and-
and
we
got
some
some
good
healthy
conversation
about
what
the
clubhouse
might
look
like,
what
it
might
not
look
like.
There's
there's
no
sense,
we
don't
think
there's
any
sense
of
the
world
trying
to
go
out
and
raise
five
or
six
million
dollars
and
try
to
build
something
that
we
don't
really
need.
J
And
then
there
was
also
conversation
around
that
that
made
it
was
it
really
felt
very
nice
to
have
people
say
we
don't
want
to
lose
the
character
of
the
muni.
We
you
know
it's
not
that
we
don't
have
great
facilities,
we
do,
but,
but
it's
you
know
it's
it's
a
place
where
people
gather
from
all
walks
of
life
in
in
this
community,
which
is
what
makes
the
place
so
great
when
you
have
a
new
club.
J
If
you
start
talking
about
a
new
Clubhouse,
you
need
to
talk
about
parking,
so
those
kinds
of
of
ideas
came
up
as
well
as
the
the
turn
house.
Why
was
why
would
the
turn
house
be
important?
Currently,
if
you
you
finish
the
atoll
you
tee
off
online,
you
leave
the
ninth
Fairway
and
go
back
to
the
clubhouse.
J
The
other
thing
that
that
came
up
during
our
meeting
that
that
would
probably
be
worthy
of
consideration
would
be
to
find
an
enhanced
or
a
new
tea
time.
Scheduling
software
there
are
there,
are
softwares
available
and
that
that
Matt
frolick
had
heard
about,
and
he
said
we
just.
We
should
invite
them
to
come
in
we'll
get
the
IT
team
together.
J
Kids
he's
got
a
number
of
kids
and
adult
programs
that
are
going
on
we're
talking
about
sort
of
our
Lane,
not
competing
with
First
Tee,
not
convening
with
Boykin,
but
staying
in
our
lane,
which
is,
is
basically
just
finding
people
who
may
never
have
been
to
the
meeting
before
we
did
so
last
fall
and
and
our
friend
and
fellow
board
member
Harold
Hill
and
his
his
friend
Harold
Pinkney,
reached
out
and
to
a
church
on
James,
Island
and
arising
is
going
to
be
about.
Eight
kids
is
seven
to
nine
years
old.
J
Well,
it
ended
up
being
18
kids,
who
were
who
were
seven
to
I.
Think
the
oldest
was
15.
that
came
to
the
muni.
We
had
a
a
some
lunch
for
them.
We
we
put
golf
clubs
in
their
hands.
They
were
hitting
wiffle
balls
into
the
mouth
of
a
10-foot,
pink
hippopotamus
and
there
they
were
squealing.
They
were
having
so
much
fun.
You
know
and
that's
what
the
Muny
is
all
about.
J
One
idea
that
that
our
friend
Harold
Hill
came
up
with
was
hey.
You
know
it's!
It's
not
really
easy
as
as
easy
as
it
sounds
to
attract,
who
identify
and
attract
kids
to
come.
Maybe
we
we
partner
with
city
council
members,
who
probably
have
a
better
idea
than
the
friends
of
the
Muny
does
of
where
those
constituent
Juniors
might
be
and
whether
it's
in
a
church
or
a
school
setting
will
will
welcome
them.
J
We'll
set
up
a
programming
and
we
may,
even
if
we
have
to
buy
three
more
hippopotamuses,
we'll
do
so
to
just
have
them
have
a
fun
day.
They
weren't
just
hitting
the
hippos
they
were
putting
and
they
were
hitting
the
driving
range
with
drivers
and
stuff.
They
all
had
a
great
time.
In
fact,
one
quick
story:
Harold
hill
during
the
holidays,
was
at
a
grocery
store
and
this
young
fella
came
up
to
him
and
said:
hey,
don't
you
work
at
the
muni
and
Harold
said?
Well,
no
young
men
I
don't
work
there.
J
J
One
other
sort
of
longer
term
thought
that
we've
had
and
and
I'm
gonna
send
this
back
to
Kevin
and
and
form
a
note
so
that
he
can
share
these
things
with
you.
But
one
one
further
thought
in
terms
of
programming
is
not
an
original
idea
of
ours,
but
we
we've
learned
about
a
Workforce
Development
program
from
our
friends
at
the
national
links.
Trust,
look
them
up,
I
won't
I
won't
spend
time
to
explain
to
you.
J
J
This
idea
of
a
Workforce
Development
plan
that
help
Apprentice
program
create
apprenticeship
programs
for
people
to
come
into
the
golf
business,
not
as
a
golf
professional
but
in
merchandising
in
food
and
beverage,
in
in
maintenance,
Crews
and
lo
and
behold,
Monday
of
the
Masters
Golf
Tournament
at
Augusta
National
chairman
Ridley,
announced
the
Augusta
National
was
establishing
a
Workforce
Development
program
there
in
Augusta
Augusta
National.
The
golf
course
was
partnering
with
Augusta
Technical
College
and
the
Augusta
Municipal
Golf
Course
to
establish
an
apprenticeship
program
for
just
those
kinds
of
jobs.
J
But
we've
been
talking
to
Trident
Tech
and
we've
talked
to
Laurie
Yarborough
a
little
bit
of
just
brainstorming,
none
of
things
gotten
very
far,
but
we're
in
the
throes
of
of
the
idea
that
there
are
29
goth
courses
within
a
25-mile
radius
of
the
Charleston
Municipal
Golf
Course.
Think
about
the
number
of
jobs
that
that
entails.
Think
about
how
difficult
it
can
be
to
hire
folks
and,
more
importantly,
to
train
and
retain
those
people.
J
And
if
there
was
an
apprentice
program
that
might
help
improve
the
job
prospects
for
some
and
the
ability
to
retain
employees
for
others.
So
those
are
things
that
we're
working
on
appreciate
the
time
happy
to
answer
if
anybody's
got
any
questions,
but
thank
you
all
for
for
all
your
support,
particularly
with
the
the
restrooms
this
year
and
and
and
in
the
future
and
happy
to
get
every
each
and
every
one
of
you
out
there
with
some
of
your
constituents.
E
Well,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
and
I
just
want
to
thank
Bobby
for
his
efforts.
The
friends
of
the
muni
really
helped
make
the
renovation
of
the
course
possible
and
Bobby
is
so
so
nice
to
hear
the
additional
support
that
y'all
are
continuing
to
offered
this
this
great
City
facility
and
and
the
programmatic
side.
You
mentioned,
that's
that
that
all
sounds
exciting.
So
thanks
thank.
E
A
All
right,
any
any
other
questions
from
anyone.
Yeah
well
Bobby.
Thank
you
so
much
for
for
for
joining
us
and
and
sharing
with
us
the
great
things
that
Friends
of
the
muni
is
doing
and
how
we're
working
together-
and
you
know,
and
making
great
things
happen
and
having
a
dream
for
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future,
with
the
with
the
golf
course
and
the
programs,
and
and
all
of
that,
so
we
really
appreciate
you
taking
time
and
and
appreciate
all
that
you
do
so.
Thank.
J
A
K
If
you
haven't-
oh,
yes,
I'm
sorry,
it's
Lori
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
alerted
everyone
on
the
commission
because
last
year
it
was
such
a
challenge.
We
held
swim
lesson
registration
on
Saturday
and
we're
able
to
get
kids
and
families
signed
up
in
three
areas
where
we
have
pools.
So
we're
very
excited
about
that.
So
that's
it's
been.
It's
been
a
great!
No
one!
We're
gonna
be
back
in
the
business
of
teaching
some
swim.
K
A
Yeah,
that
is,
that
is
outstanding
news,
glad
to
glad
to
hear
we're
doing
those
swim
lessons
and
the
pools
are
going
to
be
open
and,
and
things
are
going
to
be
great,
so
it's
going
to
be
a
great
summer.
So
thank
thank
you
for
all
your
work,
Lori
and
and
to
all
your
staff
for
for
all
they've
done
to
to
make
sure
that
happens.
Thank
you
all
right.
Anything
else.
Councilmember
Parker,
no.
G
A
All
right,
anyone
else,
please
remember
if
you
haven't
gotten
your
list
in
please
look
through
that
and
and
get
that
over
to
Jason
kronsberg,
and
so
we
can
so
we
can
move
forward.
Obviously,
if,
if
you've
got
somebody
else
that
we
need
to
push
along,
please
do
that
as
well.
It's
not
on
this
committee
so
that
we
can
get
this
get
this
moving
and
you
know
and
move
forward.