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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Traffic and Transportation 8/9/23
A
B
B
All
right,
good
afternoon,
everybody
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
August
9th
meeting
of
the
City
of
Charleston
traffic
and
transportation
committee.
Thank
everybody
for
being
here
on
a
hot.
What
is
today,
Wednesday
afternoon,
as
you
might
recall,
this
is
not
necessarily
regularly
scheduled
meeting,
although
we
do
have
some
regularly
scheduled
business
and
then
we're
going
to
take
up
a
public
comment
period
based
on
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
so
before
we
begin
I'd
just
like
to
ask.
We
all
have
a
moment
of
silence.
Please.
B
Thank
you
one
other
matter
of
housekeeping
for
those
who
are
visiting
with
us
here
today.
This
is
a
committee
of
five
members.
I
am
the
chairman.
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Mike
seekings
I'm.
The
mayor
is
also
a
member
of
this
committee.
B
There's
another
member
who'll
be
in
person
in
just
a
minute,
his
councilmember
Brady,
and
then
we
have
two
council
members
that
are
participating
online.
You
can
see
there
there's
councilmember
Parker
wave
if
you're
listening
to
us
and
council
member
Greg
is
also
online
too.
Also,
here
is
councilmember
shade
he's
not
a
member
of
the
committee,
but
we
allow
him
to
sit
in
and
we
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
being
here
and
for
coming.
B
So
with
that
there's
one
piece
of
old
business
we
need
to
take
up,
which
is
to
review
and
discuss
and
recommend
regarding
the
parking
and
storage
commercial
vehicles,
ordinance
that
we've
been
discussing
for
some
period
of
time.
B
So
sorry
do
I.
Have
a
motion
approve
the
minutes
from
July
18
2023.
still
moved?
Is
there
a
second
I'm
gonna
need
someone
in
cyberspace?
I
saw
a
councilmember
Greg
seconded
it
any
discussion,
additions,
deletions
all
in
favor
all
right
and
he
closed
the
eyes.
Have
it.
Thank
you
all
right
now.
Thank
you
for
keeping
me
straight
next.
D
So,
at
the
last
ENT
committee
meeting
we
presented
a
proposed
language
for
a
proposed
ordinance
for
the
parking
or
storage
of
commercial
vehicles.
The
committee
felt
that
it
was
too
broad
in
his
applicability.
They
asked
staff
to
narrow
it
down,
I
met
with
councilmember,
shade
and
chairman
seekings,
and
we
changed
the
definition.
That
is
the
only
thing
that
has
changed
from
the
last
meeting.
D
You
can
see
that
on
page
two
of
my
memo,
the
definition
of
commercial
vehicles
now
reads
any
commercial
landscaping,
equipment
and
any
vehicle
that
requires
a
commercial
driver's
license
to
operate.
B
D
If
the
committee
report
set
out
favorably
it'll
be
on
the
agenda
for
the
September
Planning
Commission,
because
it
is
a
change
to
the
zoning
ordinance
and
then
it
will
come
to
full
Council
for
first
reading.
B
B
We've
not
yet
taken
any
affirmative
or
negative
action,
correct!
Okay,
all
right!
What's
the
pleasure
of
this
committee,
anybody.
B
As
the
chair,
I,
don't
think,
I
can
make
a
motion
so
I
think
it
probably
a
good
thing
to
send
us
on
to
the
Planning
Commission.
Let
them
confer
about
it.
Can
I
get
a
motion
for
that
yeah.
F
B
Right
mayor's
move
to
send
us
to
the
Planning
Commission,
for
their
consideration.
Do
I
have
a
second
okay
and
I.
Take
it
Mr
Mayor.
Your
motion
would
include
the
new
definition,
absolutely
all
right.
So
the
motion
to
send
it
to
Planning
Commission,
with
its
new
definition
for
its
consideration.
Council
member
Parker.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
council
member,
shade
a
spot,
but
I
do
believe
this
is
this
is
in
a
an
issue
in
your
District.
How
do
you
feel
about
this
particular
item.
C
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
councilman
Park
for
that
question.
So.
C
We'll
take
ten,
so
thank
you
for
the
question.
The
we've
been
wrestling
with
this
I
think
Melissa,
since
maybe
November
of
last
year,
as
I
recall,
I
brought
to
council's
full
attention
the
problem
with
commercial
vehicles
parking
overnight,
particularly
on
the
sumar
street
site
and
then
adjoining
properties
that
had
been
vacated
or
abandoned.
But
one
of
the
worst
culprits
of
of
all
of
this
has
been
at
Ashley
Landing
bowling
lanes.
C
C
The
city
has
posted
signs
on
our
Sumo
Street
site
and
and
placed
chains
around
so
that
new
vehicles
are
allowed
to
come
to
the
property
in
park.
Overnights
we've
addressed
it
by
a
backdoor
mechanism.
This
committee
has
several
questions
and
issues
of
whether
or
not
our
definitions
and
our
restrictions
related
to
narrow
or
too
broad.
We
certainly
were
not
trying
to
prevent
short-term
use
of
these
vehicles
parking,
particularly
if
they're
here
to
unload,
such
as
Publix
or
at
Harris
Teeter
or
some
of
the
grocery
stores
in
this
General
vicinity.
C
So
we
simplify
this
to
include
commercial
driver's
license
and
Landscape
escaping
type
vehicles.
I
think
this
is
a
very
clear
definition
that
we
can
get
in
front
of
the
Planning
Commission
in
our
planning
department.
It
will
address
West
Ashley
in
particular,
being
used
as
a
dumping
site,
and
this
goes
to
a
consistent
provision.
C
Revitalization
of
West,
Ashley
and
I
would
hope
that,
when
it
goes
in
front
of
the
Planning
Commission
that
they
will
adopt
us
appreciate
the
committee's
patience
with
me
on
this
and
their
their
work
with
our
legal
department
and.
G
Member
Parker,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
so
if
she
wants
to
come
back
to
the
mic,
I
just
want
to
be
sure,
so
this
won't
include,
let's
say
an
individual
who
lives
in
the
city
on
James
Island
parking,
their
commercial
vehicle
in
their
driveway.
G
C
Thank
you
yeah
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
avoid
and
I
I
don't
know
in
in
on
John's
Island
or
on
James
Island.
This
has
been
much
of
an
issue
out
there.
Yet
hopefully
I
don't
see
this
on
Daniel
Island
either,
but
in
other
areas,
particularly
in
West
Ashley.
This
has
become
an
epidemic
problem
that
we
have
not
addressed,
and
hopefully
this
will
take
care
of
that
problem.
B
B
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
floor,
to
send
this
for
consideration
to
the
planning
commission,
based
on
some
amendments
that
came
through
our
legal
department.
We're
now
in
debate.
Is
there
any
question
you
might
have
or
comment
you
might
have
about
it?
Is
there
anything
else
from
any
member
of
the
committee,
if
not
all
in
favor,
all
right
any
opposed
the
eyes
have?
Thank
you
all
very
much.
All
right
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
number
four.
B
It's
similar
to
the
discussion
we
had
a
month
ago,
I
understand
that
Mr
Dylan
is
here
sitting
around
the
table
with
us
for
the
scdot.
Here's
how
we're
going
to
proceed
on
this
Mr
Dillon
is
going
to
give
us
a
presentation,
we'll
leave
it
to
the
committee
to
ask
any
questions
about
that
presentation.
Then
we're
going
to
do
something
we
very
rarely
do
around
here,
but
I'm
happy
to
do
it
and
we're
going
to
open
this
up
for
public
comment.
I
looked
at
the
list
when
I
walked
in
and
just
got
a
text.
B
B
You
have
18,
depending
on
how
long
this
presentation
goes,
we're
going
to
give
each
person
between
a
minute
and
a
minute
and
a
half
I'll.
Let
you
know
before
we
get
through
this
presentation,
don't
feel
that
you
have
to
take
up
all
your
time,
but
we
certainly
want
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
and
we
welcome
you
so
with
that
Mr
Dylan
I'm,
going
to
turn
this
over
to
you
and
thank
you
and
your
team.
If
you
don't
mind
introducing
them
very
much
for
being
here.
Thank
you
so
much
sure.
H
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
council
members,
Mr
Mayor
members
of
the
public
I'm
Brent
Dillon,
the
director
of
traffic
engineering
for
scdot
I,
have
here
with
me:
Duncan
Smith,
our
state
safety
engineer
and
Caitlin
Metz
who's,
a
traffic
safety
program
manager
for
this
project.
You
may
remember
back
in
July,
we
gave
a
presentation
or
Kailyn
gave
a
detailed
presentation
at
both
the
transportation
committee
meeting
and
then
again
at
the
city
council
meeting
I'm
not
going
to
represent
that
information
to
you.
H
I
thought
what
would
be
helpful
if
I
made
a
brief
statement
to
sort
of
address
some
concerns.
I
can
provide
that
statement
in
writing
to
whoever
would
like
it
and
then
we'll
just
proceed
to
the
to
the
public
comment
portion
so
I
again,
a
Brent
Dillon
director
of
traffic
engineering
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
provide
you
with
a
brief
update
to
help
clarify
many
of
the
comments
that
have
been
received
in
relation
to
the
four
safety
projects
being
developed
on
King
Street,
Meeting,
Street,
Calhoun,
Street
and
Saint
Philip
Street.
H
H
With
the
most
recent
crash
data
added,
there
are
more
than
3
000
total
crashes
along
these
corridors.
In
the
last
eight
and
a
half
years.
Those
numbers
include
152
pedestrian
crashes
and
94
bicycle
crashes.
The
current
scdot
plans
are
the
same
that
were
presented
at
the
public
information
meeting
in
August
of
2022..
H
The
redesigned
typical
sections
for
lower
King
Street
came
at
the
request
of
the
City
of
Charleston
through
the
municipal
agreement
process
and
will
require
approval
from
the
city
before
scdot
makes
any
final
changes
to
the
King
Street
plans.
It
is
not
uncommon
to
have
a
municipality
request.
Revisions
before
the
municipal
agreement
is
signed,
scdot
is
required
to
enter
into
Municipal
agreement
with
the
city
before
the
project
can
move
forward
for
the
final
design
and
implementation.
H
Scdot
has
been
listening
to
the
concerns
voiced
regarding
the
proposed
safety
Improvement
projects,
both
in
the
media
and
at
the
July
18th
city
council.
Meeting
two
concerns
have
been
expressed
that
I
would
like
to
address.
Specifically
at
this
time
as
part
of
this
project,
we
offer
continued
opportunity
for
public
engagement
and
participation.
Many
of
the
people
that
submitted
comments
at
the
August
2022
meeting
requested
a
response
from
scdot
with
questions
about
that
final
project.
H
We
will
provide
those
responses
as
soon
as
the
plans
are
finalized.
At
this
time
comment
comment.
Responses
cannot
be
provided
as
the
final
design
of
these
projects
is
still
to
be
determined
and
depends
on
the
city's
approval
or
disapproval
of
the
improved
Improvement
designs.
Once
final
designs
are
determined
all
submitted
comments
that
requested
a
response
will
receive.
One
I
want
to
clarify
why
the
marked
bike
lane
for
lower
King
from
Calhoun
Street
to
Broad
Street
is
proposed
to
be
removed
from
the
King
Street
plans.
H
The
City
of
Charleston,
along
with
other
stakeholders
such
as
the
King
Street
business
improvement,
district,
the
College
of
Charleston
and
the
Charleston
downtown
alliance
members
expressed
concern
for
the
lower
King
Street
marked
bike
lane
and
asked
that
the
design
be
reevaluated
to
accommodate
their
concern.
Scdot
then
redesigned
the
lower
King
Street
Corridor
typical
sections
to
address
the
stakeholders
concerns
while
still
providing
pedestrian
and
bicycle
safety.
Accommodations,
this
proposed
revision
was
submitted
to
the
city
for
consideration
as
an
alternative
to
the
marked
bike
lane.
H
The
proposed
revision
is
just
that
a
proposed
revision
scdot
understands
the
historical
importance
of
these
corridors.
Meeting,
Street
and
King
Street
are
the
oldest
and
most
famous
streets
in
South
Carolina.
Their
use
predates
the
creation
of
the
United
States
for
over
300
years,
people
have
used
these
streets,
they
have
traveled
by
foot
course,
Carriage
bicycle
car
truck
and
bus
and
trolley,
and
they
still
do
in
this
context
that
we
at
scdot
recognize
the
importance
of
public
and
political
dialogue.
H
H
B
G
I
Testing
thanks
so
I
would
like
to
ask
scdot
collectively,
whoever
is
appropriate.
I
The
one
of
the
comments
that
was
made
during
our
recent
meeting,
and
maybe
it
was
at
city
council,
had
to
do
with
the
tendency
of
folks
to
to
ride
a
little
faster
go
faster
if
the
lane
width
is
is
expanded,
so
I
just
thought
I
would
ask
y'all's
experience
on
that
that
point.
It
seemed
like
certainly
related
to
safety.
I
If
and-
and
we
were
making
the
the
case
that
we
were
in
addition
to
having
the
bike
track
over
on
Saint
Philip
Street,
which,
which
is
what
our
bike
ped
plan,
originally
proposed-
that
what
we
were
proposing.
The
new
proposal
for
King
Street
would
would
calm
traffic
as
well.
So
are
those
two
things
that
contrary
to
each
other
Mike?
Is
that
clear
enough
to
get
a
response?
I
H
Understand
that
there's
been
comments
made
about
the
lane
with
I.
Guess
that's
what
you're
speaking
to
yeah
sure
and
yes,
Lane
width
is
a
you
know,
a
factor
that
that
affects
vehicle
speed,
there's
also
other
factors
that
affect
vehicle
speed.
So
in
this
context,
there's
a
lot
of
contributing
factors.
We're
going
to
be
adding
bulb
outs,
there's
going
to
be
changes
to
the
signal
timing,
there's
the
parking
on
both
sides
and
things
like
that.
H
So
those
all
work
together
in
terms
of
how
you
drive
I
think
there's
a
portion
of
King
Street
farther
up
where
maybe
that
lane
is
actually
today
closer
to
14.
We
just
drove
it
coming
in
here
and
so
the
the
pedestrians
that
are
there.
The
business
is
the
proximity
of
them.
All
of
those
things
affect
how
fast
the
driver
feels
comfortable
driving
correct.
B
B
All
right:
here's
what
we're
going
to
do
we'll
call
up
three
at
a
time,
get
ready
to
go,
we'll
give
you
each
a
minute
and
a
half.
Please
come
forward
state
your
name
and
the
committee
is
ready
to
go.
Yes,
sir.
E
All
right,
so
we
have
five
speakers
who
signed
up
online,
so
we
can
start
with
those
speakers.
First,
okay,
Delvin
also
olusav
apologize
in
advance
for
any
mispronunciations.
You.
J
Got
there,
hello,
belvanol
saw
428
race,
streets,
Charleston,
Climate,
Coalition,
climate
change
in
this
impacts
are
Charleston's
greatest
threats.
While
it
is
a
global
problem,
Charleston
can
do
its
part
to
combat
climate
change
by
working
to
reduce
emissions
and
waste
locally
and
the
leading
larger
conversations
regionally.
J
These
are
the
words
of
chairman
Mike
seekings
from
2019
and
I
agree
wholeheartedly,
with
his
words
I
believe
in
Charleston's
ability
to
be
a
leader
on
climate
action
and
29
of
U.S
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
According
to
the
EPA
come
from
transportation,
you
reduce
Transportation
emissions
by
offering
safe,
reliable
alternatives
to
car
travel
like,
for
example,
saying
yes
to
over
3000
feet
of
protected
biplane
on
a
central
Corridor
paid
for
and
designed
by
the
state
and
federal
government.
J
Instead
of
saying
no,
this
was
the
hottest
summer
ever
recorded
in
human
history
and
that
we're
struggling
for
a
bike
lane
Charleston
County's
projected
climate
costs
are
over
6
billion
by
2040,
and
yet
we're
struggling
for
a
bike
lane
and
why
both
the
bike,
lane
option
and
the
14
foot
wide
Lane
option
have
the
same
amount
of
extra
parking
spaces
and
loading
zones,
and
if
the
sharers
are
to
be
believed,
you
expect
cyclists
to
use
the
size
of
the
lane,
regardless
of
whether
it's
protected
or
not.
So
why
not
accept
the
original
scdot
proposal?
J
Also
I,
like
that
y'all
are
planning
on
expanding,
extending
rather
the
same
Phillip
Bikeway
by
two
blocks.
It
seems
we
have
funding
available
and
it
would
help
connectivity
for
CFC
students,
but
it's
not
either
or
accepting
federal
funds
for
the
King
Street
Bike
Lane
and
using
City
funds
for
Saint
Philip
is
exactly
the
sort
of
forward-thinking
active
planning.
I
would
expect
from
traffic
transportation
and
the
climate
action
leader,
Charleston,
South,
Carolina
I,
believe
in
you,
I
believe
in
our
city.
J
K
Emerson
I
live
at
47.
Ash
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
making
the
time
for
this
public
comment
period.
K
The
only
thing
I'm
certain
of
that
will
be
gained
with
this
new
plan
is
an
increase
in
accidents,
injuries
and
death
for
charlestonians
and
tourists
as
of
2020
South
Carolina
is
second
in
pedestrian
fatality
rate.
According
to
the
nhtsa
and
King
Street
is
the
third
most
dangerous
Street
in
the
second
most
dangerous
state
for
pedestrians.
There
needs
to
be
some
fundamental
changes
here.
Something
is
clearly
lacking
in
the
current
proposition.
K
We
have
heard
from
a
diverse
range
of
your
constituents
who
are
relying
on
you
to
make
a
well-intentioned
decision,
so
they
can
get
to
their
home
their
houses,
their
works
and
their
classes
without
having
to
worry
if
they'll
make
it
again
tomorrow.
While
you
have
said
that
there
will
be
an
addition
to
the
bike
lane
on
St
Philip
of
around
500
feet,
I'm,
not
mistaking
this
concession
for
Progress,
considering
the
loss
of
the
King
Street
Bike
Lane
would
be
a
loss
of
over
3
000
feet
of
federally
funded
bike
infrastructure.
K
L
I
live
at
Wentworth
Street.
My
wife
and
I
have
lived
there
over
40
years,
I
work
in
the
Frankie
building
I'm
a
lawyer.
A
lawyer
takes
more
than
a
minute
and
a
half
to
clear
his
throat
so
but
I'm
gonna
try
to
keep
it
in
in
Balance.
Here,
I
ride
a
bicycle:
I'm
76
years
old
I
ride
around
town.
All
the
time
I
would
have
written
it
here,
except
for
the
fact
that
I
don't
have
a
place
to
lock
it
up.
L
I
decided
to
look
this
stuff
up
on
the
internet.
You
know
people
are
always
doing
their
research,
so
I
looked
and
you
can
start
with
Wikipedia
in
urban
settings.
Both
extra
narrow,
Lanes,
less
than
9.2
feet
and
wide
lanes
over
10.2
to
10.5
feet
are
dangerous,
more
dangerous
than
a
10-foot
Lake.
There's
no
question
speed
goes
up,
they're,
more
collisions,
they're
more
deaths
when
the
collisions
occur,
I
thought
well.
L
Maybe
it's
just
Wikipedia
I
looked
at
the
underlying
research,
that's
cited
in
the
Wikipedia,
it
looked
legitimate
to
me,
but
then
I
looked
at
the
National
Association
of
city
transportation
officials
and
they
say
Lane
widths
of
10
feet
or
appropriate
in
urban
areas
and
have
a
positive
impact
on
a
street
safety.
Without
impacting
traffic
operations.
I
could
not
find
a
single
source.
L
M
Zach,
the
city
59
Cypress
I,
actually
used
to
live
in
this
Corridor
297,
King,
Street
and
I
would
bike
to
work
at
Sanders
Clyde
elementary
school
every
single
day
and
getting
there
was
really
easy,
and
in
16
years
in
the
city
which
fails
in
comparison
to
what
other
people
have
been
I've,
seen
the
enormous
growth
in
this
city
and
if
every
single
person
is
going
to
get
around
in
a
single
person
vehicle
we
are
in
for
trouble,
we're
already
encouraging
our
tourists,
our
visitors,
to
use
more
lime
bikes,
but
we're
not
giving
them
the
adequate
Lane
and
safety
measures
that
go
alongside
that.
M
It
seems
bizarre
perverse
and,
quite
frankly,
negligent
people
ride
down.
King,
Street
and
I
often
see
them
riding
on
the
sidewalks,
and
it's
not
because
they
don't
want
to
ride
that
lane.
That
area
it's
because
they
feel
it
is
too
dangerous,
so
providing
them
with
a
federally
funded,
safe
Lane
for
themselves
will
not
only
encourage
more
people
to
do
it,
but
it'll
do
so
in
a
safe
and
effective
manner.
Changing
this
behind
closed
doors
is
unacceptable
and
we
really
need
to
follow
through
with
the
originally
proposed
plan
by
SC
Dot.
F
Afternoon
good
afternoon,
thanks
for
the
meeting
this
afternoon,
I
concur
with
the
gentleman
from
Wentworth.
I
I
did
ride
my
bike
here
and
Mr
Mayor
and
Mr
chairman.
We
just
need
more
bike
parking
here
at
City,
Hall
I,
don't
think
it
requires
a
TIF
Bond
or
any
kind
of
just
more
Hardware,
more
another
hole
in
the
concrete.
B
F
Concur
with
some
of
the
thoughts
here,
that's
already
been
expressed
it,
the
original
RSA
audit
or
the
the
road
safety
audit
recommended
a
buffered
bike
lane.
The
presence
of
a
bike
lane
with
pedestrian
traffic
will
serve
to
kind
of
slow
traffic
on
on
King
Street.
F
The
the
RSA
audit
pointed
out
the
number
of
sides
I
mean
there's
danger
to
the
vehicles
as
well
as
danger
to
people
who
are
trying
to
ride
King
Street
today,
as
well
as
walking
Street
I,
think
we
need
to
slow
it
down
and
clearly
the
making
it
the
the
lane
wider
will
not
serve
to
slow
vehicular
traffic
and
it
seems
to
me
we
want
to
promote
pedestrian
and
bicycle
traffic
on
our
keynote
Commercial
Street
here
in
the
city.
N
This
process
is
also
happening
at
a
time
where
a
majority
of
students
are
not
on
or
around
campus,
giving
them
a
disadvantage
when
it
comes
to
sharing
their
opinion.
Majority
of
students
are
required
to
commute
to
campus
each
day
and
the
college
requires
students
to
complete
60
hours
before
being
eligible
for
a
parking
pass.
Therefore,
a
greater
part
of
the
student
body
is
commuting
to
campus
via
walking
or
biking.
N
This
incoming
freshman
class
for
the
2023-24
school
year
consists
of
500
more
students
than
usual,
meaning
there
will
be
500
more
people
on
and
around
King
Street.
The
college
supports
the
proposed
bike
lane
on
Saint
Philip
Street,
which
is
great
but
doesn't
fully
account
for
students
downtown.
The
campus
extends
Beyond
King
Street,
specifically
the
Johnson
silcox
Center,
forcing
students
to
cross
King
Street
in
between
classes.
Simply
I
cannot
understand
how
this,
how
benefits
of
a
14-foot
wide
traffic
lane
could
possibly
outweigh
the
costs
of
having
no
bike
lane.
N
O
Afternoon,
traffic
and
transportation-
my
name
is:
Casey
Conrad
I'm,
a
GIS
Analyst
at
the
city,
but
I'm
here
today,
as
a
vulnerable
Road
user.
So
we've
seen
the
numbers
on
upper
and
lower
King,
the
crashes
bike
and
pedestrian
and,
of
course,
the
side
swipes
on
Lower
king
I've
been
hit
in
the
last
10
years.
Three
times
on
Upper
King
Street,
one
of
the
times
put
me
in
the
hospital
for
about
a
week.
If
you're
gonna
build
a
bike
lane
or
not
build
a
bike
lane
on
Lower
King,
you
should
not
widen
the
street.
O
In
addition
to
promoting
speeding
water,
travelings
encourage
Uber
and
Lyft
drivers
to
stop
in
the
middle
of
the
street
I,
don't
think
they
need
any
encouragement
there.
It
also
encourages
larger
vehicles
and
I
think
you
know
the
type
I'm
talking
about
to
motor
down
King
Street
revving
their
engines
with
no
particular
destination.
As
a
GIS
analyst
I
did
some
measurements
around
town
on
streetwits,
so
Calhoun
Street
meeting
in
King
is
nine
feet.
O
Calhoun
Street
East
of
meetings,
10
Meeting,
Street
north
of
Calhoun,
is
11
Meeting,
Street,
South,
South
Calhoun
is
10,
Lockwood
Drive
is
10
and
a
half
the
crosstown
is
11..
Morrison
Drive
is
11.,
the
Ravenel
Bridge
is
11
and
a
half
and
I-26
is
11
and
a
half
I
struggled
to
find
another
14-foot
Street
anywhere
in
Charleston,
except
for
one,
and
that
is
Upper
King
Street,
where
we
have
had
289
total
crashes,
22
of
those
bike
and
12
pedestrian
I.
O
Think
if
you
want
to
make
lower
King
as
dangerous
as
Upper
King,
add
the
14
foot
Lane,
but
support
for
the
larger
Lane
puts
personal
property
over
the
safety
and
well-being
of
the
majority
of
Road
users
four
times
as
many
in
short
support
for
the
14
foot,
Lane
puts
autobodies
over
human
bodies.
Thank
you.
P
Ryan
sork
I
live
on
for
Miranda,
Home,
Street
and
I've.
Since
I've
lived
in
Charleston
12
years,
sale,
I've
never
had
a
car
I've,
always
biked
me
to
work
to
school,
so
I
could
speak
for
how
treacherous
the
roads
are
out
there
for
bike
riders
I
just
have
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
original
proposed,
so
I
just
think.
The
14
foot
wide
Lane
is
just
dangerous
to
pedestrians
to
bikers
the
buffered
bike.
Lane
is
just
the
safest
option
for
a
drivers,
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Q
Hi
I'm
Katie
Zimmerman
executive
director
of
Charleston
moves.
Thank
you
so
much
for
hosting
this
comment
period.
I
appreciate
it.
In
addition
to
what's
already
been
stated,
BCD
Cog
they
have
done
bike,
ped
counts
at
the
intersections
of
St
Philip
and
Calhoun,
and
King
and
Calhoun,
along
with
all
of
the
different
turning
movements,
and,
what's
really
interesting,
is
by
the
hour.
You've
got
thousands
of
people
biking
and
walking
on
at
both
of
those
intersections.
King
Street
has
a
little
bit
more
of
people
biking
and
walking
and
headed
south
than
St
Philip
does.
Q
But
clearly
these
are
areas
that
need
bicycle
and
pedestrian
infrastructure.
The
most
robust
possible,
so
I
would
ask
that
you,
rather
than
disassembling
What
DOT,
has
proposed
instead
add
to
it.
We
submitted
comments
last
year
with
suggestions
for
improvement.
We
already
very
much
support
the
bike
lane
on
King.
We
had
ideas
for
improvement,
how
to
make
it
even
better
so
I
love
that
the
city
is
proposing
to
extend
the
cycle
track
on
St
Philip.
Please
do
it,
but
but
also,
let's
get
a
bike
lane
on
King
Also.
Let's
two-way,
coming,
let's
keep
this
network
going.
Q
Let's
keep
progressing
and
keep
getting
the
system
in
place
so
that
we
can
choose
to
travel
safely
in
multiple
modes.
Also,
not
a
single
planning
guide
recommends:
14-foot
travel
Lane
in
an
urban
area.
None
the
12-foot
travel
Lane,
that's
proposed
to
be
adjacent
to
the
King
Street
Bike
Lane
in
Dot's
plan
is
wider
than
what
these
planning
guides
recommend
even
for
streets
with
buses.
Carda
just
needs
an
11
foot
Lane.
According
to
every
single
planning
guide,
we've
looked
at,
including
nacto,
which
the
city
is
a
member
of
so
12
feet.
Q
R
Hi
I'm
Sandra,
Fowler
I
live
at
nine
Simonton,
Muse
and
I.
Take
about
90
percent
of
my
travel
downtown
by
bicycle
and
I
ride
regularly
down.
King,
Street
and
I
want
to
speak
in
the
strongest
terms
that
I
can
against
the
14-foot
Lane,
which
I
perceive
to
be
greatly
worse
than
current
state,
even
because
what
we
have
now
effectively,
because
the
right
lane
is
nearly
blocked
all
the
time.
R
S
Hi,
my
name
is
Ronald
Malcolm
I
live
at
1193
River
Road.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
accept
public
comment
today.
We've
all
heard
about
how
cycling
can
improve
personal
health,
reduce
environmental
impacts
associated
with
transportation
and
can
actually
improve
transportation
in
congested
urban
areas
and
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
those
points.
But
I
do
want
to
ask
you
to
take
a
moment
to
Envision
a
couple
of
scenarios.
S
One
is
a
person
who
is
a
low-wage
worker
who
can't
afford
to
or
doesn't
have
access
to
a
car
and
works
on
Lower
King
Street.
The
other
scenario
I
want
you
to
imagine.
There's
a
couple
of
first-time
visitors
to
Charleston
who've
heard
about
King
Street
and
elect
to
ride
their
bicycles
up,
lower
King,
Street
I
know.
City
council
is
faced
with
tremendous
challenges
and
opportunities
here
now:
you're
dealing
with
growth,
rezoning
sea
level
rise
and
a
whole
host
of
other
problems,
but
you're.
S
Also,
given
this
beautiful
opportunity
to
reimagine
the
city,
and
that
includes
transportation
in
the
city
Charleston's
his
historic.
There
are
many
where
many
value
tradition
and
there's
going
to
be
pushback
to
any
new
approach
to
any
problem.
There's
value
in
Tradition
in
history.
All
you've
got
to
do
is
look
around
at
the
beautiful
buildings
here,
there's
a
reason,
so
many
people
vacation
here
and
then
choose
to
move
here.
S
E
T
Good
afternoon
Carol
Jackson
I
live
on
Patterson
Avenue
in
James
Island
I
wish
I
could
attest
to
how
often
I
ride
my
bike
on
King
Street
I'm
lucky
to
get
my
husband
out
around
our
neighborhood
on
our
beach
bikes,
but
I
do
try
to
live
my
life
learning
from
others.
The
especially
the
expertise
of
others
and
I
spend
a
lot
of
my
retirement
time
getting
younger
citizens
to
be
more
and
more
involved
in
the
future
of
our
community.
T
I
understand
that
the
changes
to
the
second
version
that
you're
now
going
to
vote
on
we're
really
just
an
answer
to
City's
concerns,
but
I
haven't
been
able
to
find
out
anything
specific
about
what
those
concerns
are
so
I.
Think
at
the
very
least,
our
elected
officials
should
be
able
to
explain
that
to
the
voters
and
the
constituents
and
the
citizens.
The
rumors
are
going
around
that.
It's
all
about
delivery,
trucks
and
I.
Think
we've
got
improved
zoning,
unloading
and
and
loading
zones
on
every
block
of
lower
King
Street.
T
Now,
with
the
first
plan,
and
now
this
one
and
driving
down
Calhoun
I
try
to
avoid
King
Street
trying
to
dodge
the
loading
trucks
that
are
sticking
out
into
the
roadway
from
the
parking
where
people
are
parked
along
the
road
on
the
meters,
then
there's
a
truck,
then
the
traffic
is
moving
forward.
That
is
not
at
all
safe
and
you
squeeze
in
a
biker
and
that
whole
can
figuration
I,
never
said
it,
that's
a
dangerous
situation.
I!
Don't
think
you
want
to
be
part
of
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
U
Hi
everyone,
my
name,
is
Morgan
Huey
I
live
at
82,
Maple,
Street
I'm,
a
faculty
member
at
the
College
of
Charleston
and
I
study
how
bikeability,
walkability
and
access
to
Green
Space
influences
our
health
I'm
speaking
as
a
resident
today,
not
as
a
member
of
the
College
of
Charleston
I
mostly
have
a
lot
of
questions.
I
also
bike
I
from
82,
Maple,
I
bike
to
the
college
or
take
the
bus
every
day.
So
I
have
similar
experience
to
some
expressed
here.
U
I
had
the
same
question
councilman
councilwoman
Parker
had,
and
so
my
understanding
is
that
the
plan
that's
before
us
today
is
more
safe
than
the
plan
that
was
proposed.
Last
August,
after
a
public
input
period,
and
so
I
just
I
have
questions
about
that
which
is
safer,
particularly
for
vulnerable
Road
users.
I
think
we
really
must
also
be
concerned
with
the
health
and
the
environmental
concerns.
If
businesses
were
concerned
that
the
bike
lane
doesn't
increase
safety,
can
we
confidently
say
that
this
plan
does
indeed
will
indeed
improve
safety?
U
At
the
last
meeting,
a
member
of
the
committee
mentioned
that
this
plan
aligned
with
the
people
pedal
plan.
My
understanding
is
that
that
plan
was
made
with
the
constraints
of
knowing
what
could
and
could
not
be
put
forth
through
the
dot
guidelines
as
well.
I
see
this
point,
but
I
must
respectfully
disagree
that
this
plan
provides
traffic
calming,
which
is
what's
called
for
in
this
section
of
the
streets.
Further.
U
If
we're
going
to
hold
ourselves
to
the
people
pedal
plan,
when
will
we
see
bike
Lanes
on
Upper
King,
a
cycle
track
on
Calhoun
and
Rutledge
and
more
signage
I'll?
Never
ever
nearly
every
Street
downtown
I
really
want
to
speak
in
favor
of
we
need.
We
need
a
way
for
people
to
safely
be
able
to
buy
bicycle
across
this
peninsula.
We've
got
to
try
I'm
going
to
volunteer
myself
to
study
it
in
in
collaboration
with
others.
I
really
think
we
must
try.
B
V
20
Carolina
Street,
these
guys
have
all
said
it
much
better
than
than
I
could
the
if,
if
the
King
Street
Bike
Lane
doesn't
work,
then
I
think
that
the
city
needs
to
come
forth
with
a
better
option
for
pedestrians
and
for
cyclists.
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
bike
and
walk
through
this
city
safely
more
safely
than
than
currently
allowed.
So
thank
you.
W
Hello,
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
hear
our
concerns.
I
think
the
first
gentleman
on
Race
Street
had
it
the
best
and
was
very
eloquent
in
the
way
he
said
it,
a
14-foot
Lane
on
King
Street.
Let's,
let's
not
kid.
It
already
is
a
14-foot
Lane,
No,
Cars
Go
side
by
side
right
there,
it's
a
joke,
everyone
just
kind
of
Vibes
for
positions.
So
if
you
do
a
14
foot,
Lane,
it's
just
gonna
make
it
more
confusing,
and
then
you
get
down
King
even
farther
outside
of
Millers.
W
W
Let's
start
with
King
Street
and
then
eventually
the
bike
lane
will,
you
know
we'll
get
more
St
Phillips
meeting
it
will
spider
out
and
Charleston
can
be
a
place
like
the
rest
of
the
country
like
Boulder
like
New
York,
like
San
Francisco,
these
places
that
have
actual
good
infrastructure
for
pedestrian
and
cycling
movements,
whereas
I
mean
have
you
the
intersection
at
Rutledge
and
King
were
two
two
lights
and
everyone.
Just
runs
the
first
light
because
they
see
the
second
light,
turn
green.
W
All
these
situations
of
just
absolute
confusion,
the
absolute
disgrace
of
what's
happening
right
here
in
this
intersection
with
these
fake
traffic
lights,
is
making
that
that's
a
that's
just
a
death
trap,
I
can't
believe
no
one's
been
hurt
so
far.
I
just
think
the
way
the
city's
been
taking
care
of
this
whole
situation
is
a
disgrace.
Thank
you.
E
X
B
E
All
right,
moving
on
to
Don
Sparks
Don's.
Y
Right
it
was
chairman,
may
all
the
members
of
the
council
I've
been
listening
to
all
the
comments
and
what
I've
struck
by
what's
not
been
said
this
afternoon.
First
of
all,
mayor.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
to
my
part,
my
bike
on
the
railing
I've
got
your
permission.
I
appreciate
that
sir.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay
I
rode
today,
and
so
they
will
be
taken
care
of
the
other
somewhere.
Two
things
I
haven't
heard.
Y
One
I
haven't
heard
anyone
talk
in
support
of
a
14-foot
Lane,
because
the
safety
issues
have
been
so
I
think
accurately
portrayed
here.
We
all
know
this
and
and
I
heard
Mr
Dylan
try
to
answer
the
question
and
and
I
respect
you,
sir
I
mean
you
must
have
a
lot
of
experience
to
have
your
position
and
I.
Believe
you
what
you
say,
but
I
think
you'd
have
to
admit
in
a
cold
heart
of
a
day
that
the
water
delay
and
the
faster
speed
the
faster
the
speed
the
less
safe.
Y
The
other
thing
happened
here
today
is:
is
Commerce
I've
been
teaching
economics
at
the
schedule
for
about
35
years.
The
mayor
came
and
talked
to
my
class
A
few
weeks
ago
and
think
about
what
it
says
to
Commerce,
not
only
this
quick
car
traffic.
Sorry,
water,
Lanes,
increase
car
traffic.
It
also
makes
it
less
likely
for
you
to
notice
a
new
store,
less
likely
to
pull
over
and
park
and
shop
in
that
store.
Y
So
this
proposal
not
only
is
unsafe,
it
didn't
make
sense
commercially,
so
I
I'm
mystified
by
why
the
dot
plan
was
was
changed
in
addition
and
I'd
ask
Mr
Dillon
too,
as
he's
going
back
to
look
at
this
again,
please
consider
the
counter-directional
bike
Lanes
to
me.
The
idea
of
a
King
Street,
with
a
shared
use,
one
way
going
south
with
cars
and
bikes,
makes
sense
with
a
one-way
counter-directional
bike
lane.
The
other
way
makes
sense.
Y
A
Okay,
great
I,
think
I
might
be
the
last
speaker,
so
I
think
everyone
said
a
lot
of
what
I'm
gonna
say,
but
on
Jim
Hemphill
I'm
at
2124,
Barber
Drive,
so
on
the
outside
I
want
to
say,
I'm,
not
not
opposed
to
the
proposed
cycle
track
on
St
Philip
Street,
like
Katie,
said
I
think
we
should
I
think
there's
a
a
reason
and
a
demand
for
both
the
bike
lane
on
King
Street
and
St
Philip.
A
What
I
am
opposed
to
is
the
proposed
lane
widening
on
King
Street
to
14
feet
so
I
want
to
quote
the
scdot
roadway
design
manual,
which
is
a
favorite
sleep.
Aid
of
mine
it
and
I
quote:
increase
Lane
width
reduces
the
demands
placed
on
motorists
by
reducing
the
amount
of
concentration
needed
to
stay
within
the
travel
Lane
wider
Lanes
make
people
feel
more
comfortable
traveling
at
higher
speeds.
A
Higher
speed
mean
greater
risk
of
a
serious
injury
or
death
for
everyone,
and
that's
people
inside
out
of
the
vehicle,
as
well
as
people
outside
of
the
vehicle.
So
I'll
hit
you
with
some
research
too.
According
to
nacto
for
every
three
feet,
an
increased
lean
width,
the
85th
percentile
speed
aka
the
speed
that
most
people
drive
increases
by
about
10
miles
per
hour.
So
by
widening
this
Lane,
you
are
increasing
the
speed
of
vehicles
traveling
on
King
Street.
A
Furthermore,
according
to
the
AAA
foundation
for
Traffic
Safety,
an
increase
of
speed
from
25
to
35
miles
per
hour
increases
the
likelihood
of
a
fatal
crash
by
15
percent.
So
I'll
leave
you
with
three
questions.
One
is
Carol
Jackson's
questions,
question
that
she
mentioned.
Can
you
please
be
clear
about
what
the
city's
concerns
are
with
the
original
scdot
proposal?
A
A
E
B
Few
minutes
is
there
anybody
else
here
who
would
like
to
be
heard
who
thought
they
were
passed
over,
because
this
is
an
opportunity.
We've
got
some
time.
I
see
Mr
Quick
back
there.
Anybody
else
all
right,
yes,
ma'am
we'll
get
to
you
too,
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
summary
of
the
public
comments.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Quick,
you
raise
your
hand.
First
come
on.
Come
forward,
give
us
your
name
David,.
AA
Quick
and
I
will
be
quick.
I
live
in
Mount
Pleasant,
but
I
rode
my
bike
downtown
a
lot
when
I
was
working
for
the
posting
Courier
still
riding
my
bike,
downtown
Sometimes
the
best
way
to
get
there
so
as
a
Mount
Pleasant
resident,
who
loves
Downtown,
Charleston
I'd,
really
like
to
have
more
options
to
ride.
My
bike
safely.
AA
Downtown
I
think
this
14-foot
Proposal
with
crazy
stuff,
like
parking
on
both
sides,
is
a
bit
like
the
First,
Union,
Pier,
design
and
and
I
think
maybe
stepping
back
King
Street
is
you
know
all
of
King
Street,
but
particularly
Calhoun
down
broad
is
such
a
gem
and
there
are
great
cities
around
the
world
and
I
consider
Charleston
a
great
City
that
that
do
better
with
pedestrian
streets
and
I
really
think
we
need
to
pull
back
and
like
really
think
long
and
hard
before
we
go
forward
with
a
14
foot,
because
it's
like
the
wild
west
on
King
Street,
especially
after
night.
AA
You
know
we
anybody's
been
down
there
after
nine
o'clock
on
week,
the
motorcycles
and
the
big
hyped
up
trucks
with
the
they
will
use
that
as
a
Dragway
I
guarantee
you.
They
will
see
that
as
an
opportunity
down
King
Street.
So
please,
please
think
carefully
about
this.
Thank
you
so
much.
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
Caroline
I
live
on
23
Ashton
street
I'm
also
here
with
the
Charleston
Climate
Coalition
I
want
to
reiterate
that
last
Point,
whoever
was
online
to
challenge
you
and
okay.
Z
So
we've
heard
a
lot
from
residents,
but
we
have
heard
really
nothing
from
business
owners
than
only
mentioned
as
the
reason
why
some
of
this
was
potentially
changed.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
on
that
and
it
would
be
remiss
to
move
forward
immense
all
of
that
confusion
without
that
clarification.
Thank
you
very.
B
E
All
of
these
comments
were
sent
to
the
committee
in
full
for
their
review.
Prior
to
this
meeting,
we
received
42
in
total.
E
So
35
of
those
comments,
including
one
joint
comment
submitted
by
the
coastal
conservation
league
and
historic
Charleston
Foundation,
we're
against
a
14-foot
shared
traffic
lane,
they
all
said
wide
Lanes,
would
encourage
speeding
and
cause
accidents,
whereas
dedicated
bike
lanes
were
safer
for
tourists
and
locals,
promoted
businesses,
increased
neighborhood
connectivity
and
helped
contend
with
global
warming.
E
Three
residents
supported
eliminated,
eliminating
cars
on
King
Street
South
of
Calhoun
altogether,
because
it
is
a
shopping
and
tourist
district
and
finally,
one
resident
supported
Banning
bikes
on
King
Street
because
of
the
danger
that
vehicle
traffic
pose
to
cyclists
and
said
that
many
of
those
bikers
were
Taurus
and
usually
did
not
adhere
to
traffic
and
byte
laws.
Those
are
all
the
comments
that
we
received.
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
All
right,
that'll
close
out
the
public
comment
period
of
this
meeting,
and
it
brings
us
the
end
of
our
agenda.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
committee
who'd
like
to
after
hearing
the
presentation
in
the
scdot
after
any
public
comment
would
like
to
make
any
comment
at
this
committee
meeting
before
we
move
this
along
to
city
council,
council,
member
Greg,.
X
B
X
Mr
chairman,
just
for
clarification
on
on
the
process
and
I,
think
it'd
be
good
for
everybody
to
understand
this
and
really,
if,
if
we
move
this
forward,
we're
just
saying
that
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
a
design
right
now.
This
is
obviously
highly
conceptual
and
so
I
think
it'd
be
good.
Just
to
get
some
clarification
on
the
process.
Moving
forward
that
that
this
is
really
just
approval
to
or
or
recommendation
to
move
forward
with,
some
detailed
design
of
of
What
DOT
has
been
talking
about
correct.
B
Procedurally,
where
we
are,
is
this
in
order
to
move
forward
with
this
road
Safety
project,
which
includes
all
of
the
streets,
you
heard
King
Street,
Calhoun,
Street,
Saint,
Phillips,
Street
and
Meeting
Street.
There
needs
to
be
a
memory
memorandum
of
understanding
between
the
city
and
the
scdot.
What
needs
to
happen
through
this
committee
and
city
council
is
to
give
the
mayor
the
authorization
to
sign
the
memorandum
of
understanding
to
move
this
to
the
next
phase,
which
is
the
design
phase,
and
please,
let
me
know
if
I'm
misstating
anything
at
that
point.
G
G
I
know:
we've
had
this
discussion
before,
but
I
I
think
it's
good.
If
you
can
explain
it
to
me
again.
G
Just
from
a
safety
standpoint,
you
know
I'm
looking
at
the
let's,
let's
say,
for
instance,
we
have
14
feet,
I
mean
so
the
lines
are
going
to
be
drawn
at
14
feet.
G
H
Okay,
so
I'll
I'll
kind
of
address
two
two
thoughts
there
I
think
our
our
primary
goal
initially
is
was
to
to
look
at
the
non-functioning
two
lanes
and
to
try
to
move
to
a
road
diet
and
so
that
reduced
the
the
travel
lanes
for
the
vehicles
that
were
out
there.
I'm
gonna
be
looking
at
Kalin
to
poke
me
if
I'm
off
Target
and
so
that
in
a
sense
meant
we
were
reallocating
wits.
We
weren't
there's
no
construction,
that's
going
on
in
terms
of
changing,
curb
or
anything
like
that.
H
So
we
know
we're
we're
reducing.
We
don't
have
two
vehicle
Lanes
we're
going
to
one
vehicle
lane
and
then
it's
just
a
question
of
reallocating
that
space
and
so
for
us
with
this
being
Federal
safety
funds.
What
we're
comparing
that
to
is
the
existing
condition,
we're
not
comparing
alternatives
to
each
other
per
se.
H
G
Yes,
ma'am
just
a
quick
follow-up,
Mr
chairman
so
can
okay?
Can
we
tighten
the
link
because
again,
I
think
it's
important
for
everybody
here,
as
well
as
as
I
learned
at
the
last
meeting,
that
another
reason
for
some
of
this
is
that
the
Hope
in
the
future
is
to
expand
those
sidewalks.
You
know
so
we
have
more
of
a
footprint
for
the
pedestrians,
correct,
so
I
guess
my
quest.
My
final
question
is
just
that
14
inch
Lane.
Can
the
lines
be
narrowed
in
you
know.
H
H
Anything
that's
been
locked
in
the
municipal
agreement
process
is
what
holds
us
accountable
to
the
local
community
right
so
that
we
in
Colombia,
at
scdot,
with
the
state,
don't
make
decisions
and
over
overrun
the
local
context,
and
what
that
Community
wants
so
road
safety
audit
projects
are
unique
because
they
have
the
stakeholder
involvement
and
maybe
some
of
our
typical
road
projects
don't
have
where
we
address
a
lot
of
stakeholder
needs.
We
had
the
public
meeting.
H
The
reason
we
have
a
public
meeting
is
to
get
feedback
and
get
comments,
and
so
we
can
hear
what's
needed.
So
in
a
sense,
I
mean
we,
we
are
all
still
very
much
open.
Like
I
said
in
my
statement,
we
we're
going
to
have
public
engagement
in
this
throughout
the
entire
process.
We're,
not
gonna,
we're
gonna
always
be
engaged
even
when
we
move
to
when
we're
into
construction,
making
sure
that
we're
constructing
it
in
the
right
way.
H
So
so
the
answer-
the
short
answer
is
yes,
whatever
the
City
of
Charleston
is
Representatives
or
Council
would
like
to
work
through
with
us.
We
are.
We
are
open
to
do
that,
which
is
why
we
have
attended
every
meeting
that
we
can
and
is
provided
as
much
information
as
we
can.
B
I
I
I
want
to
go
back
first
to
Mr
Dylan's
first
remarks
about
the
many
safety
improvements
that
are
planned,
we're
we're
focusing
on
really
this
short
part
of
lower
King
Street
from
Calhoun
to
Liberty
Street,
where
it's
only
24
feet
wide,
but
in
fact
there
are
crosswalk
improvements
and,
and
other
ball
bouts
and
other
you
know
what
do
they
call
it
when
everybody
walks
at
the
same
time,
I.
I
Line
all
week,
therefore,
those
planned
at
different
parts
of
of
the
four
streets
meeting,
King
Calhoun
and
Saint
Philip
that
are
slated
for
safety
improvements
and
I-
do
ask
Council
whether
we
respectfully
all
agree
or
disagree
on
final
product
to
please
give
me
the
authority
after
our
next
council
meeting
to
move
forward
with
an
agreement
with
the
scdot.
So
we
can
move
forward
final
design.
We
don't
want
to
hold
up
any
longer
than
many
other
safety
improvements
comes
with
this
package.
I
I
Secondly,
you
mentioned
the
road
diet
and
the
the
14
foot
Lane
in
the
redesign
I
must
say
after
that's
why
I
asked
the
question
at
the
beginning
before
the
public
comments,
I
think
it's
a
it's
driven
through
my
head
that
we
we
need
to
reduce
that
lane.
That
makes
sense
to
me
that
that
that
lane
should
be
reduced.
Now,
when
you
go
on
the
diet,
what
what
happens
to
the
rest
of
the
street
you
know,
does
it
become
a
bike
lane?
I
Does
it
become
a
sidewalk
that
that's
I
guess
a
question
at
hand,
so
I'm
probably
going
to
talk
too
long,
Mr
chairman?
But
if
you'll
allow
me
you
know,
conditions
currently
are
are
not
good
and
when
I'm
driving
down
King
Street
in
that
section,
I'm
normally
in
the
left
lane,
because
there's
normally
a
delivery
truck
in
the
right
lane
and
thankfully,
for
the
businesses
along
there.
Y'all
King
Street
is
busy
it's
crowded
most
times.
I
There's
lots
of
pedestrians,
there's
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
pedestrians
than
any
other
movement
going
on
on
the
street.
From
what
I
see
with
my
eyes,
bicycles,
even
cars,
there's
more
pedestrians
most
of
the
time
and
there's
something
about
visitors
and
I
must
admit
a
little
sympathy,
because
I
feel
like
this.
Sometimes,
when
I
go
out
of
town,
you
know
we
have
all
these
visitors
come
to
Charleston
and
they
they
feel
like
they
can
just
walk
anywhere.
They
want
you
know
and
not
pay
attention
to
crosswalks
or
or
or
lights.
I
They
just
kind
of
wander
about,
and-
and
you
really
have
to
be
intent
when
you're
driving
down
that
left
lane
to
be
mindful
for
for
people
that
just
step
off
the
sidewalk.
They
just
they're,
not
even
looking,
and
they
step
into
the
lane
of
traffic,
and
it's
it.
It
certainly
looks
very
unsafe.
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
those
pedestrian
collisions
resulted
from
people
just
doing
that.
I
But
I
noticed
it
all
the
time
when
I'm
driving
down
there
and
if,
if
I,
were
a
king
for
the
day
and
not
the
mayor
and
had
all
the
money
in
the
world,
and
we
had
all
the
time
to
to
re-engineer
things
frankly,
I
would
when
in
giving
that
road,
a
diet
I
would
add
to
the
sidewalks
on
either
side
and
give
the
pedestrians
some
more
room
on
King
Street.
They
they
are
more
pedestrians
than
anybody
else
down
there,
and
so,
just
by
way
of
explanation.
I
I
want
to
share
with
you
that,
even
though
I
get
it
now,
the
14
foot
Lane
is
too
wide.
But
the
the
reason
why,
in
this
redesign
that
there
was
a
foot
on
either
side,
not
just
on
the
Travel
lane
side
but
on
the
parking
side,
was
to
give
pedestrians
just
a
little
bit
of
extra
safety
rooms
where
they
step
off
the
sidewalk.
You
know
they're
not
getting
hit
now.
I
Could
that
be
wider
than
one
foot
I
think
it
could
be
and-
and
you
could
end
up
with
two
or
three
feet,
could
it
be
a
bike
lane
yeah?
That
was
the
first
design,
but
it
could
also
be
one
of
these
little
hatched
areas,
that's
kind
of
a
safety
zone.
If
you
will
I
that,
maybe
that's
I've
seen
some
nodding
and
shaking
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
a
affirmation
or
not.
Would
somebody
walk
in
that
safety
zone
or
ride
a
bike
in
it?
I
You
know
maybe,
but
I
I
bring
all
this
up,
because
I
firmly
believe
that
over
time,
no
matter
what
we
plan
today,
be
it
a
bike
lane
or
an
expanded,
Safety
Zone
on
on
either
side
of
the
street,
which
would
would
reduce
that
14-foot
Lane.
If
that
makes
sense
that,
from
my
perspective,
we
want
to
come
back
with
a
more
complete
streetscape
Improvement
that
will
move
the
curb
out
on
both
sides
and
make
a
bigger
sidewalk
on
both
sides.
I
So
how
long
that's
going
to
take
I,
don't
know
it'll
take
a
while,
because
you
get
into
many
issues
when
you
do
streetscape
improvements
and
and
really
y'all
the
section
that
gives
us
given
us
all.
The
heartburn
is
the
is
the
most
narrow
part
of
King
Street.
You
know
from
from
Calhoun
to
Liberty
Street
what
it
says
right
here.
It's
only
24
feet
wide.
I
I
If,
if
you
wanted
to
do
that,
and
so
in
keeping
with
the
bike
ped
plan,
the
fact
that
you
can
have
two-way
bike
traffic
and
allow
for
room
on
King
Street,
particularly
in
this
most
narrow
section,
to
have
things
like
future
expansion
of
the
sidewalk,
a
left
turn
lane
when
you
get
to
George,
Street
I
think
would
be
helpful.
The
ability
to
plant
a
tree
or
two
when
you
expand
the
sidewalk.
I
You
know
to
have
those
bulb
outs
that
you
mentioned
to
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
had
the
bike
lane
there
is
that
going
to
make
it
difficult
to
have
a
left,
turn
Layman
and
a
ball
belt,
probably
right.
So
I
I,
just
respectfully
think
that
that
one
section
that
one
narrow
section
20-foot
24
feet
wide
from
Calhoun
to
Liberty,
Street
I'm,
all
for
reducing
the
14
foot,
Lane
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
bigger
safety
zone.
I
It's
a
different
matter
where
you
got
a
little
more
real
estate
and
width
to
deal
with,
but
anyway,
I'm
just
sharing
my
own
observations
of
what
I
think
makes
sense.
We
certainly
need
to
reduce
the
lane
widen
the
safety
zone
or
have
the
original
proposed
plant.
Thank.
AB
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
I
just
been
thinking
kind
of
long
and
hard
about
this,
and
people
have
heard
me
say
before
that.
A
camel
is
a
horse
made
by
committee,
and
this
is
the
14-foot
Lane
in
my
mind,
is
a
terrible
camel.
AB
That
being
said,
you
know
we
we
often
sit
in
these
seats
and
have
to
choose
the
least
bad
options
like
there's,
usually
never
a
great
option,
it's
the
least
bad,
but
in
this
instance
the
original
proposal
is
a
good
option.
They
gain
parking
spaces.
You
gain
loading
zones
and
there's
a
bike
bike
facility
on
King
Street,
so
I'll
be
voting
no
to
move
this
forward.
AB
For
that
reason,
and
that
I
think
that
the
original
proposal
is
a
net
win
all
the
way
around
for
the
City
versus
trying
to
now
manipulate
or
change
a
14-foot
travel
Lane
as
we
move
forward.
So
thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
B
B
C
Me
could
you
take
a
little
bit
more
than
a
minute,
but
so,
first
of
all,
I
think
when
you
suck
on
Department
of
Transportation
for
coming
forward
with
this
I'm
Gonna
State,
the
obvious
King
Street,
is
a
is
a
disaster.
It
is
a
complete
disaster
for
a
number
of
reasons.
C
The
number
of
cars
that
go
up
and
down
King
Street
cannot
handle
it.
We
have
a
share
driver
system
that
stops
in
the
Middle
Road.
We
have
delivery
trucks
who
totally
ignore
where
they're
supposed
to
park
and
load
and
unload
their
goods.
That's
part
of
the
responsibility
of
the
city
to
address
that
more
aggressively.
We
have
pedestrians,
as
Amir
mentioned,
who
just
step
off
the
sidewalk
needlessly,
but
it
is
a
complete
disaster.
The
other
day
there
were
three
trucks
parked
in
the
left-hand
Lane
unloading.
C
They
were
spaced
out,
plus
the
Carter
bus
stop
was
making
the
stops
not
using
their
turn
off
portion
to
unload
their
patches
are
low
to
pass,
and
just
plus
there
were
folks
on
skateboards
going
in
opposite
directions.
Almost
had
a
collision
in
front
of
my
hood
of
my
car,
going
in
the
opposite
direction.
Down
the
middle
of
King
Street,
this
is
an
a
ongoing
occurrence.
My
office
is
right
on
King,
Street
I
reserve
this
on
a
regular
basis.
C
The
flow
of
traffic
is,
is
impossible
to
manipulate
and
handle,
and
we've
gotten
to
look
at
this
from
a
holistic
standpoint.
C
We
changed
the
direction
of
north
of
King
Street
several
decades
ago,
and
it
had
such
a
tremendous
and
positive
impact
on
the
commercial
part
of
our
city
and
I.
Just
look
at
that
as
an
example
of
what
we
can
do
positively
to
improve
our
commercial
District.
C
But
I
would
like
to
hear
more
from
them
as
well
as
what
they
perceive
as
a
negative
part
of
all
of
this,
because
you've
got
to
have
not
just
people
but
Vehicles,
going
up
and
down
King
Street
be
able
to
visit
to
patronize
these
establishments
to
make
the
loading
and
unloading
I
would
ask
that
you
also
look
at
this
from
another
holistic
standpoint.
Whatever
you
do
on
King
Street,
whatever
changes
we
make
on
King
Street
is
going
to
have
an
impact
not
just
on
Meeting
Street,
not
just
on
Saint
Philip
street.
C
It's
going
to
have
an
impact
on
East
Bay
Street
is
to
have
an
impact
on
Rutledge
Avenue,
and
it's
also
going
to
have
an
impact
on
the
other
side
streets,
not
just
Calhoun
or
George
or
line,
but
all
the
other
side
streets
that
intersect
those
forestries
of
Rutledge
King
meeting
in
East
Bay,
so
traffic
flow
of
cars
coming
in
in
the
morning
and
cars
going
out
in
the
afternoon
and
early
evening
need
to
be
aware
of
the
impact.
Whatever
changes
we
make
on
on
King
Street
we've
got
to
take
that
into
consideration.
C
C
This
perimeter
I
think
that
we
have
we'd
need
y'all's
assistant
and
I've
talked
to
Mr
Somerville
about
this
on
numerous
occasions
about
the
enforcement
we
need
to
have
with
these
delivery
trucks
and
these
Rideshare
vehicles,
and
even
our
own
Carta
system
as
to
how
we
need
to
improve
whatever
we
do
here,
is
not
going
to
have
a
nickel
of
an
of
an
impact.
It's
going
to
have
probably
a
reverse
negative
impact.
C
If
we
don't
address
these
delivery
trucks
in
these
Rideshare
components
as
well,
if
we
don't
do
those
things,
we're
going
to
aggravate
a
existing
problem
to
something
worse
is
going
to
have
the
reverse
effect.
What
I
mentioned
to
you
a
minute
ago
when
we
reversed
King
Street
going
north,
which
was
a
positive
thing,
I,
don't
want
whatever
changes
we
make,
have
a
negative
thing
and
just
one
last
little
comment:
Mr
Dylan
I
represent
parts
of
Wes,
Ashley
and
I
represent
Charlestown
landing
area
and
parts
of
Ashley
Maryville.
C
They
may
take
issue
with
you
in
describing
that
King
and
meeting
with
the
older
streets,
because
I
think
that
Fifth
Avenue
Maryville
may
have
predeceded
King
and
Military
back
in
1670..
So
they
take
very
a
lot
of
pride
in
naturally
as
well,
just
as
a
little
little
side
note
so,
but
thank
you
for
all
being
here
and
I'm
glad
to
continue
this
discussion
with
you
later
on.
But
those
are
my
comments
on
my
observations
about
what
we
need
to
be
doing
with
King
Street.
Thank.
G
G
B
Okay,
anybody
else
any
member
of
the
committee
I've
been
pretty
quiet.
I
want
to
make
just
a
couple
of
very
few
brief
comments.
Just
procedurally,
so
you
know
where
we
are
first.
Thank
you
all
for
coming.
It's
been
impactful
just
so
you
know
before
you
all
run
out
of
here
and
get
into
the
rumor
mill.
I
hope,
you'll.
Remember
what
you've
seen
here
today
and
in
the
last
meeting
that
we're
listening
and
we
are
listening.
B
Please
don't
go
run
out
and
tell
people
we're
ruining
the
corner
of
Broad,
Street
and
Meeting
Street.
That's
had
to
repair
to
make
it
safer
temporary.
So
please
don't
fill
up
our
boxes
about
that.
B
It's
going
to
get
better
where
we
are
procedurally
is
this
committee
has
voted
to
send
us
on
to
city
council
for
its
full
vote
as
to
whether
or
not
to
send
this
to
the
mayor's
desk,
to
sign
a
municipal
agreement
with
the
dot
to
put
the
road
safety
audit,
as
generally
proposed
into
the
design
final
design
phase,
giving
him
the
authority
to
do.
That
does
not
mean
this
is
all
signed,
sealed
and
delivered.
B
What
we've
heard
today
has
been
impactful,
as
you
can
see,
we've
already
got
one
council
member
who's
thought
differently
than
he
did
the
last
time
he
was
here,
which
is
great
I.
Think
the
King
Street
portion
of
this
is
something
we
need
to
look
at,
but
don't
forget
please,
all
of
you
that
have
been
here
today
that
that
is
a
very
small
part
of
a
much
bigger
road
safety
audit.
B
We
didn't
hear
a
single
comment
today
about
the
rest
of
it,
how
good
it
is,
and
it
is
great
it's
great-
we've
needed
it
for
a
long
time
and
for
those
of
you
that
I
know
around
this
room
that
I've
known
for
a
long
time.
You
know
we
need
that
stuff
and
we
do
getting
King.
Street
right
is
maybe
going
to
take
some
time
and
is
going
to
take
some
blood
on
the
tracks
a
little
bit.
We're
gonna
have
to
really
think
about
this,
the
rest
of
it
we
got
to
get
going
on.
B
B
If
you
haven't
done
it
read
it,
read
it
because
it's
going
to
make
this
city
a
much
better
place
and
I
can
assure
you,
my
district
and
where
I
live
is
in
the
heart
of
all
of
this
I
see
it
every
single
day
from
every
single
perspective,
walking
driving
biking,
I
live
here.
I
work
here,
I
agree
with
the
observations
that
we
need
help
here.
We
do
the
numbers
bear
out,
they
do
the
dot
didn't
show
up
here
out
of
the
blue.
B
They
came
through
some
metrics
that
we
need
to
do
some
things
and
we
do.
The
enemy
of
good,
of
course,
is
better,
and
so
let's
be
thoughtful
about
this.
So
when
it's
all
said
and
done,
let's
say
that
we
did
the
best
thing
for
safety.
That
was
thoughtful.
That
was
thoughtful
and
it
was
not
reactionary.
That's
personally,
as
a
person
gets
a
vote
on
this
and
since
it
lives
in
the
middle
of
it,
that's
going
to
be
my
approach
to
it.
Every
single
time,
safety
always
wins
on
a
thoughtful
basis.
B
I
Heard
a
couple
things
today
that
I
really
liked
too
Mr
Sparks
I'm,
going
to
single
you
out
the
Contra.
The
Contra
flow
is
a
really
great
idea.
That's
the
first
time
it's
actually
been
brought
up.
You've
got
one-way
bike,
Lanes
or
one-way
Lanes,
going
into
it.
If
you
go
down
King
Street
Mayor,
if
you
drove
down
it
today
or
if
you
all
drove
down
it
today,
one
of
the
things
you
see
on
King
Street
every
single
day
every
single
hour.
B
Every
single
minute
is
pedestrians,
walking
in
opposite
directions
and
when
they
meet
each
other
and
they
can't
get
past
each
other,
the
ones
are
on
the
outside.
What's
the
first
thing,
they
do
they
step
into
the
lane
of
traffic
every
single
time.
If
you
haven't
done
it,
you
are
the
exception.
Not
the
rule.
I
see
one
of
my
constituents
back
there,
Dr
Ham
he's
done
it
I've
done
it.
We've
all
done
it
right.
We
need
to
think
about
The
Pedestrian
side
of
that
narrow
part
of
King
Street
too.
B
It's
super
important,
we're
not
excluding
anything,
we're
not
taking
anything
away.
All
that
stuff
we're
not
doing
it,
we're
not
doing
it
behind
closed
doors.
I
can
just
tell
you
that's
not
happening.
B
You
want
to
know
how
we
know
what
our
what
people
think
about
this
for
those
who've
asked
it.
We
listen
to
our
constituents.
I
live
in
the
middle
of
this
King
Street.
Is
my
constituency
wholesome
Village?
All
of
downtown
people
are
talking
about
this.
That's
how
we
hear
about
it.
That's
how
we
know
about
it
and
that's
how
we
communicate
that's
human
nature
right.
B
So
with
that,
this
will
be
taken
up
at
city
council
at
our
next
city
council
meeting,
with
an
original
recommendation
to
give
the
mayor
the
ability
to
sign
the
shared
agreement
with
the
scdot.
That's
where
we
are
whether
that
changes
at
Council
I,
don't
know
it'll
come
out
of
a
report
from
this
committee.
B
You've
heard
some
indications
that
it
might
we'll
just
see
how
all
that
goes,
but
we
collectively
have
an
absolute
obligation
to
our
city
to
make
sure
that
we
put
into
place
the
best
plan
we
can
to
make
it
safer
safer.
You
know,
we've
just
started
this
heads
up
campaign.
It
seems
super
simple
right
heads
up,
look
around
you
be
safe
when
you're
driving
when
you're
riding
your
bike
when
you're
walking
when
you're
riding
your
skateboard
the
wrong
way
up.
King
Street,
please
don't
do
that.
B
Heads
up
be
conscious
of
your
surroundings
and
then
we,
together
collectively,
will
do
what
we
can
the
best
way
we
can
to
make
this
city
the
safest
place.
It
can
be
recognizing
that
you
heard
and
I
thought
really
thoughtful
comments
at
the
beginning
were
dealing
with
infrastructure
that
was
gritted
out
long
before
anyone
thought
about
a
car.
I'll
buy
well
bikes,
maybe
early
days,
but
any
of
that.
So
we
have
some
limitations
right.
We
don't
have
unlimited
real
estate.
So
again,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
we'll
take
this
up
at
city
council.
B
A
B
Does
your
plan,
if
you're
planning
on
attending
you
plan
on
being
at
Charlestown
Landing,
we
hear
you
I'm
going
to
report
out
that
we've
heard
you
all
right
and
then
we'll
sort
of
see
how
this
all
goes
and
just
so
you
know
we're
gonna,
have
conversations
between
now
and
then
about
this
all
right.
So
we'll
see
how
it
goes.
If
there's
anything
else,
Mr
Mayor
I.
B
By
the
way,
also,
we've
been
told
that
we
have
to
be
out
of
there
no
later
than
11
o'clock,
so
not
that
we
want
to
be
there
until
11
o'clock.
So
we
have
limited
time
all
right
if
there's
nothing
else,
for
the
greater
good,
especially
for
the
road
safety
audit.
That's
before
us
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
adjourn.
Thank
everybody
for
coming
and
we'll
see
you
if
not
before
on
Tuesday.
Thank
you.