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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Traffic and Transportation 1/10/22
A
B
Great
thank
you
very
much.
I
would
like
to
call
to
order
the
january
10th
2022
meeting
of
the
city
of
charleston
traffic
and
transportation
committee.
Thank
you
all
for
joining
in
and,
as
we
begin
with
a
moment
of
silence,
please.
B
Amen
and
thank
you,
I
think
this
might
be
the
first
committee
meeting
of
the
new
year.
Am
I
right
about
that?
The
first
official
committee
meeting
of
the
city
of
charleston
for
2022,
so
thank
you
all
for
joining
in
we'll
make
it
momentous.
I
hope
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
approval
minutes
from
september
27th.
Do
I
have
a
motion.
B
Second,
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
discussion
additions,
deletions
corrections,
if
not
all
in
favor,
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
next
on
our
agenda
is
an
update
on
the
ashley
river
pedestrian
bridge,
mr
kronsberg
and
team.
I
see
mr
kronsberg
is
on
the
line
so
good
afternoon
hand
it
over
to
you.
C
Mr
chairman
committee
members
happy
new
year
been
lots
of
things
going
on
behind
the
scenes.
Over
the
the
past
quarter
of
of
the
last
year,
we've
got
michael
darby,
who
is
our
project
manager
with
hdr
here,
ed
mimosas
here
as
well.
C
So
really,
what
we
want
to
do
today
is
have
michael
present
to
you
all,
pretty
much
a
verbal
update
of
the
last
quarter
of
2021
and
what
we
have
been
doing
over
the
past
couple
of
months
and
where
we
are
going
with
the
project
in
the
future.
B
What
I
would
suggest
to
the
members
of
the
committee,
if
that's
okay,
let's
get
our
presentation
and
then
sort
of
reserve
questions
till
the
end.
If
that
suits
everybody.
Okay,
great
well,
mr
darby,
the
floor
is
yours.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
joining
us.
D
All
right,
thank
you
all
and
thanks
for
thanks
for
having
me.
So
I
was
gonna
like
jason
mentioned,
I'm
just
gonna
walk
you
all
through
kind
of
what
the
happening
since
september
of
2021
up
to
today
and
then
then
kind
of
carry
it
forward
and
kind
of
give
you
an
update
of
what's
going
to
happen
over
the
next
few
months
and
into
into
the
end
of
the
year.
D
So
in
september
we
received
a
signed,
categorical
exclusion
for
the
project
through
fhwa.
D
That
was
a
significant
milestone
for
approval
of
the
of
the
nepa
documentation
on
the
project
at
that
time,
city
advertised
a
request
for
qualifications
for
design,
build
teams
that
was
advertised
in
september,
and
we
also
submitted
30
design
plans
to
the
scdot
structures
for
their
review.
D
In
october,
we
received
two
statements
of
qualifications
from
design
build
teams.
It's
a
little
disappointing,
we're,
I
think,
hoping
to
get
three
to
five
submittals
on
it.
So
you
know
only
getting
two
was
was
not
not
the
greatest
news.
D
In
november,
the
team
met
for
to
to
shortlist
the
design,
building
teams
and
did
shortlist
the
two,
the
two
teams
that
that
submitted
qualifications
packages
coming
out
of
that
meeting.
You
know
just
only
getting
two.
D
We
had
some
conversations
with
with
some
contractors
who
were
expecting
to
propose
and
just
try
to
find
out
why
they
didn't
and
kind
of
consensus
from
from
the
three
contractors
we
spoke
with
was
all
that
they,
they
all
thought
the
project
was
more
in
the
40
million
range
and
the
city's
current
funding
on
the
project
is
26.25
million,
so
about
a
14
million
dollar
difference
between
between
the
the
the
funding
versus
the
belief
of
the
of
what
the
project
cost
may
be.
D
So
at
that
point
in
time,
we
hdr
kind
of
re-evaluated
the
project
costs
using
a
risk-based
approach.
I
mean
basically
take
the
the
base
project.
Cost
estimate,
take
that
out
to
a
year
of
expenditure
and
then
apply
apply,
a
bunch
of
project
risks
to
the
costs
and
what
we
found
is
you
know
that
that
estimate
came
in
into
the
35
to
43
million
dollar
range,
with
about
a
41
million
dollar
expected
overall
project
program
costs.
D
The
biggest
issue
on
the
for
the
cost
that
we
found
was
the
the
cost
escalation
due
to
the
current
market
conditions
that
are
out
there.
It's
just
a
you
know,
create
crazy
time
right
now
with
covet
and
supply
chain
issues
that
really
really
impacted
the
cost.
D
So
coming
out
of
that
that
evaluation
we
kind
of
looked
at
you
know
what
we
can
do
to
to
maybe
reduce
the
scope
of
the
project
while
still
meeting
the
kind
of
the
the
purpose
of
the
project,
which
is
really
to
provide
a
safe
bike
and
pad
crossing
across
the
ashley
river.
So
we've
gone
back
in
and
looked
at,
reducing
the
width
of
the
bridge
from
the
current.
D
The
previous
design
was
20
feet,
wide,
reducing
it
down
to
14,
feet
wide
and
reduced
the
the
path
width
along
the
along
the
causeway
to
10
feet
from
12
feet,
and
then
something
else
we're
looking
at.
Instead
of
the
concrete
kind
of
wishbone
tower
that
you
all
previously
saw
on
the
in
the
renderings,
using
two
two
steel
towers
on
on
each
side
of
the
bridge,
with
cables
going
down
to
to
support
it.
Those
were
kind
of
the
the
main
areas
to
to
kind
of
help
with
the
with
the
cost
savings.
D
In
december,
so
we
moved
into
kind
of
looking
at
that
design.
Doing
some
detailed
modeling
on
the
structure
with
you
know,
being
14
feet
wide
redoing
our
cost
estimate
by
by
reducing
the
width,
the
structure
and
looking
looking
at
some
more
details
on
some
seismic
seismic
design
requirements
showing
about
a
savings
about
nine
million
dollars
so
bringing
the
bringing
the
cost
down
into
a
range
of
28
to
30
32.8
million
dollars.
D
B
D
The
28
to
32.8
million
and
one
number
I'll
report
is
this:
there's
a
70th
percentile
number,
that's
kind
of
an
fhwa
accepted
kind
of
standard
number
that
they
use.
You
know
you'll,
give
a
range,
but
then
say,
but
that
70th
percentile
is
a
31.6
million
and
that's
kind
of
their
kind
of
approved
number
for
for
what
a
project
cost
would
be,
but
they
really
like
that
range
and
then
the
then
the
the
70th
percentile
number.
D
Also
in
december,
we
submitted
the
us
army
corps.
Permit,
assuming
all
goes
well
with
that.
It's
a
we
shouldn't
receive
approval
for
that
next
month
and
then
at
that
time
we
can
submit
the
coast
guard
permit
for
for
their
review
and
approval,
starting
off
this
month,
we've
been
coordinating
with
fcdot
and
fhwa
on
the
seismic
design
requirements
for
the
project.
D
We've
been
looking
into
what
a
thousand
year
seismic
event
and
trying
to
get
approval
from
them.
On
that
one
and
sounds
like
we're:
we've
we're
going
to
get
approval
from
them.
They
had
a
few
questions
for
us
on
the
on
the
reasoning
behind
it,
and
one
thing
to
note
is
you
know:
we're
seeing
a
savings
of
anywhere
from
two
and
a
half
to
three
million
dollars
on
the
structure
by
using
the
going
with
the
thousand-year
event
versus
that
2500
year.
D
Also,
this
month,
we'll
be
looking
at
updating
the
30
plans
on
this
new
base,
design
the
14
foot
wide
structure
and
then
submitting
our
ocrm
permits
for
their
review
and
that
that's
a
little
bit
tougher
timeline.
They
don't
have
like,
like
the
core
permit,
where
I
said
february.
We
know
that
they've
got
a
timeline
that
that
they
go
through
their
approvals.
The
ocrms
didn't
just
didn't
as
well
defined,
so
I
hadn't
put
a
an
assumed
approval
date
on
that
permit.
D
Moving
into
february
we'll
be
working
on
the
draft
rfp
request
for
requests
for
proposals
for
the
project
and
getting
those
to
to
the
city,
dot
and
fhwa
for
review
march
and
april
review
and
update
draft
rfp
and
get
that
get
that
in
the
hands
of
the
design,
build
teams
in
april
for
their
for
their
review
and
so
from
may
to
july
design.
D
Build
teams
will
be
reviewing
the
rfp,
providing
questions
meeting
with
the
city,
really
ramping
up
their
their
efforts
on
the
on
the
project
and
we'll
be
making
revisions
to
rfp
based
on
their
questions
and
comments
on
it
august.
This
is
a
key
key
milestone
is
getting
the
rfp
the
final
rfp
issued
to
the
design,
build
teams
and
that
that,
at
that
point
in
time,
hits
the
federal
requirement
for
obligating
the
project
for
construction,
which
the
federal
obligation
date
for
this
one
is
september
30th
to
meet
the
federal
fiscal
year
requirement.
D
So
getting
that
in
august
would
be
would
be
perfect.
It
still
gives
a
little
bit
of
flow
time
in
there
in
case
there
are
some
some
things
that
come
up
between
now
and
then
third
and
fourth
quarters
of
this
year
receive
technical
cost
proposals
from
design,
build
teams,
construction,
contract
approval
by
the
city
council
and
then
first
quarter,
2023
issue
notice
for
seed
to
the
design
builders
to
the
design,
build
team
and
then,
basically,
all
of
2023
would
be
design
efforts
by
the
design.
D
Build
team
possible
construction
of
some
of
the
intersection
improvements
if
they
could
yeah.
There's
no
reason
why
some
of
those
intersections
the
wapu
road
folly,
road,
even
even
down
at
at
lockwood,
could
potentially
move
those
move.
Those
designs
forward
through
through
design
and
permit
and
go
ahead
and
kick
off
construction
on
those
and
show
a
little
progress
and
then
really
all
2024
and
2025.
We
would
anticipate
the
bridge
being
under
construction
so
about
a
one
and
a
half
to
two
year:
duration,
on
the
on
the
construction
of
the
bridge.
B
Great
all
right
jason,
anything
to
add.
On
top
of
that
or
mr
most
I
see
you
there
too.
C
No,
there
was
a
lot
of
information
that
he
covered.
Just
just
everybody
knows
that,
once
we
issue
the
rfp,
the
two
shortlisted
teams
will
be
conducting
a
considerable
amount
of
work
to
further
along
the
design
in
order
to
get
to
a
bid
number
for
their
response
to
that
rfp.
So
if,
in
this
design
build
process,
we're
providing
them
with
the
30
drawing
set,
so
it's
a
lot
of
work
on
their
part
once
they
get
that
information
and
we'll
be
working
with
them
daily.
To
answer
questions
as
we
move
it
forward.
B
Edmond
anything
from
you,
no,
I
don't
have
anything
else
to
add.
Thank
you,
okay,
any
questions
for
any
member
of
the
committee.
I
also
note
that
council
member
shade
and
council
member
papel
are
also
on
the
line
and
seeing
as
this
is
a
rare
opportunity
after
we
go
through
the
committee,
I
saw
the
mayor's
now
online
too
right,
we'll
allow
councilmember,
shane
and
appel
to
ask
a
question
or
two.
If
they
have
any
so
start
off,
I
see
councilmember
jackson
with
her
hand,
up
closures.
E
Thank
you
chairman,
and
thanks
for
everybody
being
on
and
all
the
work
that
y'all
are
just.
You
know
it's
amazing,
to
think
about
the
speed
that
you
have
to
make
adjustments.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
in
terms
of
the
pricing,
the
the
the
downward
adjustment
is
based
on
the
steel
cables,
the
steel
towers,
and
does
it
also
reflect
on
your
hope
that
you'll
get
the
1000
year
seismic
permit,
so
we
won't
see
any
savings
once
you
know
the
answer
to
that
then.
E
And
in
terms
of
what
you've
done
in
order
to
you
know,
drop
down
the
overall
cost
projection.
Is
there
any
like
hiccups
to
the
approvals
that
you
got
from
the
federal
government
ahead
of
time
or
anybody
else?
That's
going
to
be
looking
at
the
change
in
materials
or
you
know,
overall,
construction
design?
D
So
you
know
if
they
have
something
that
that
is
completely
different
from
what
was
what
was
permitted
through
the
through
fhwa
originally,
in
that
categorical
exclusion,
they
may
have
to
go
back
for
a
for
a
re-evaluation
of
that,
but
it's
usually,
if
that
happens,
it's
a
relatively
minor
piece
of
the
puzzle.
It
wouldn't
impact
schedule
so
much.
A
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
michael
and
all
our
staff
have
been
working
so
diligently
on
this
and
keeping
it
on
schedule,
despite
the
fact
of
as
they've
advised
you
the
challenges
of
of
of
costs
and
and
what's
going
on
in
the
construction
world
today.
A
So,
admittedly,
we
may
end
up
with
a
with
a
project:
that's
not
as
wide
as
a
path,
that's
not
quite
as
wide
but
still
way
beyond.
What,
for
example,
is
over
the
ravenel
bridge?
It
will
be
safe.
It
will
be
a
great
addition
to
our
city.
I'm
glad
we're
able
to
keep
keep
it
on
track
and
keep
it
going
despite
the
cost
considerations.
A
So
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody's
work
on
helping
us
do
that.
I
I
do
plan
just
to
let
y'all
know
to
to
meet
with
a
presuming.
The
mayor's
conference
meeting
is
still
on
next
week
up
in
washington.
I
plan
to
meet
with
folks
up
in
washington
to
to
see
about
augmenting
our
budget
a
little
bit
on
it,
and
you
know
you
don't
get
kissed.
I
don't.
I
never
have
I
get
kissed
unless
I
ask
so
I'm.
A
I
am
going
to
be
asking
federal
highways
to
help
supplement
the
budget,
but
but
regardless
we're
going
to
keep
on
pushing
on.
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
sort
of
a
throw
out
question
to
where
we
can
respond
to
this.
What
does
it
really
mean
when
you're
reducing
or
proposing,
to
reduce
this
width
from
20
feet
to
14
feet?
What
does
that
really
do
to
this?
This
overall
bridge.
F
That
part
it
makes
it
narrower
that
makes
it
cheaper.
I
can
answer
my
own
question,
but
in
the
in
the
great
scheme
of
things,
what
is
that
really
doing
to
this?
This
is
going
to
be
a
certainly
and
in
our
generation
once
in
a
lifetime.
Generational
structure
coming
across
that
we've
been
dealing
with,
for
at
least
I
guess
20
something
20
years
give
or
take.
F
So
when
you
are
reducing
something
from
from
here
to
here.
What
does
that
really
do?
What
kind
of
impact
does
that
really
have
on
on
this?
On
this
structure
I
mean:
are
you?
F
Are
you
reducing
the
ability,
it's
sort
of
like
an
ongoing
running
question
of
sorts,
you're
designing
something
to
carry
a
load,
and
if
this
was
something
that
you
were
carrying
vehicles
across,
you
would
say,
but
we
need
to
have
x
dimensions
to
handle
x
number
of
vehicles
at
a
certain
hour,
I
mean
that's
how
these
engineers
sort
of
figure
this
stuff
out.
F
I
think
so,
when
you're
talking
about
reducing
from
20
feet
to
14
feet,
what
does
that
do
for
the
capacity
of
getting
folks
across,
because
this
is
certainly
a
non-vehicle
passageway,
but
you've
got
people
who
are
running
walking
on
bicycles,
pushing
strollers?
What
impact
is
that
going
to
have
on
those
folks?
Are
you
going
to
have
one
lane
in
and
one
lane
out?
A
Well,
if
I
may
give
a
preliminary
response
and
say
functionally,
it's
the
same,
we'll
be
able
to
safely
get
bicyclists
and
pedestrians
in
two
directions
back
and
forth
across
the
river.
So
functionally
it's
the
same
yeah.
If
you
were
to
have
like
a
5k
event,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
as
many
people
on
the
bridge
at
one
time.
A
You
know,
and
it
won't
be
quite
as
spacious
as
it
could
would
have
been
otherwise
but
functionally
in
terms
of
safely
getting
people
back
and
forth.
It
does
the
same
job.
Am
I
missing
anything
michael.
D
D
It
provides
two
two
feet
of
the
distance
off
the
rail
for
for
bicyclists,
which
is
a
kind
of
the
standard
you
assume
they
need
two
feet
of
of
distance
off
of
a
off
of
a
rail
to
to
ride
comfortably.
So
having
that
you
know
overall
14
is
is
a
is
a
good,
a
good
width.
F
And
the
reason,
mr
chairman,
asking
that
question
is
because,
and
the
ravenel
bridge
is
a
good
mindset,
everybody
who's
been
on
the
ravenel
bridge
knows
what
that
entails,
but
the
ravenel
bridge,
as
I
understand
it,
and
in
times
I've
used
it
is
more
of
a
recreational
type
bridge.
F
This
this
bridge
is
going
to
be
a
a
facility
to
move
folks
from
point
a
to
point
b,
and
I
think
that
perhaps
because
of
the
height
of
the
bridge,
the
short
distance
of
the
bridge,
its
location,
you
go
see,
I
have
your
traffic
and
I'm
just
asking
I'm
not
I'm
not
trying
to
dissuade
y'all
from
doing
anything
else,
but
I
thought
I
just
that's
why
I
wanted
to
jump
in
on
this
call
to
ask
those
kind
of
questions.
F
I
think
you
could
see
more
of
a
volume
on
this
a
different
volume
than
you
will
on
the
robert
l
bridge.
That's
those
are
my
questions.
Mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
the
response
I
got
from
the
mayor
and
michael
thank
you.
B
Okay,
great
councilmember
pell.
I
see
you
there
patiently
any
questions
while
you're
here.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
the
update
from
everybody.
Jason
michael,
edmond
everybody,
and
you
know,
as
the
council
member,
whose
district
this
bridge
will
emanate
from
out
of
west
ashley
into
downtown.
I
mean
I'm
just
couldn't
be
more
excited
about
this
project
and-
and
you
know,
want
to
be
a
part
of
a
solution
to
help
keeping
this
on
track
and
making
it
succeed.
G
So
not
here
to
get
into
anybody's
way
or
interfere
with
anything
just
want
to
show
my
support
and
if
I
can
help
further,
please
let
me
know-
and
let's
all
just
work
together
as
a
team
and
keep
plugging
this
along.
I
you
know
anytime
you're
trying
to
build
infrastructure
of
any
kind
of
significance
in
america.
These
days,
you're
going
to
have
challenges,
so
the
challenges
are,
are
inevitable.
It's
how
we
respond
to
those
challenges
that
are
going
to
ultimately
dictate
whether
this
happens
or
not.
G
So
I
think
we're
doing
that,
and
I
want
us
to
keep
pushing
as
hard
as
we
can
on
all
fronts
and
I'm
very
encouraged
by
what
the
mayor
said,
and
you
know
they're
giving
a
lot
giving
out
a
lot
of
money
out
of
washington
these
days
and
if
we
could
get
in
there
and
get
some
additional
support
this.
This
project
checks
a
whole
lot
of
boxes
and
I've
still
got
keith
benjamin's
cell
phone
number.
We
might
be
able
to
put
in
a
call
to
him
as
well.
G
B
Right,
thank
you,
seeing
as
I'm
certain
that
this
will
come
up
when
we
report
this
out
tomorrow
night
at
city
council.
Do
you
all
team
have
any
preliminary
thoughts
about
how
we
make
up
the
delta
between
monies
that
we
know
are
available
and
monies
that
we're
going
to
need
to
complete
this
project
at
the
level
28
to
32
million
dollars
that
you've
predicted
in
this
meeting.
A
Well,
the
reduced
scope
brings
that
delta
down
and
we
don't
know
what
the
final
number
will
be.
But
once
again,
I
I
do
plan
to
ask
the
grant
maker
federal
highways
to
to
I'm
going
to
make
them
aware
of
our
situation
and
ask
them
to
for
some
more.
A
B
Eighteen,
two
and
three
okay,
all
right.
Well,
any
other
questions,
any
other
member
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
taking
time
out
to
give
us
this
update.
As
you
all
are
well
aware,
this
is
a
project
that
people
are
very
interested
in
seeing
completed
and
love
getting
these
updates.
So
I
know
you
all
have
a
lot
to
do
so.
Getting
the
update
really
is
helpful
for
us,
particularly
those
of
us
who
live
on
either
side
of
the
river,
where
the
bridge
will
start
finish.
Finish
start:
there's
lots
of
questions
about
it.
B
So
thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
probably
ask
you
to
come
back
again
in
the
spring.
Unless
anything
dramatic
happens
in
the
interim
we'd
hope
you
certainly
will
report
back
to
us
on.
You
know
the
mayor
just
keep
a
close
eye
on
it.
So
that's
all
it's
all
great.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Unless
there's
anything
else,
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Anything
else.
Somebody
else
in
the
committee
thanks.
F
For
letting
me
chime
in
mr
chairman
log
off.
B
B
B
So
one
of
the
questions
that
I
have
mr
mayor
and
mr
somerville
is
I
I
got
a
copy
of
the
map
that
shows
sort
of
the
checkerboard
of
streets
on
the
peninsula
and
who
owns
what-
and
I
was
actually
first
somewhat
surprised
how
many
streets
that
the
city
owned
slash,
controls
a
good
number
of
them,
one
of
which
is
the
block
just
to
the
west
of
where
baba
sits
on
calhoun
street
and
and
as
we
think,
about
going
forward,
because
I
do
I'm
looking
at
the
resolution
that
and
the
ordinance
that
we
put
forward
at
city
council.
B
One
of
the
things
when
it
came
to
parklets
was
to
make
sure
that
we
had
some
opportunity
to
think
about
making
the
parklet
program
more
permanent
and
that's,
I
think,
impossible
to
do
unless
the
parklets
are
on
city
streets.
My
question
is,
and
doesn't
have
to
be
answered
now,
but
looking
forward,
as
we
think
about
these
projects
and
bob
is
being
a
perfect
example.
A
So
we
do
not
keep
track
of
that
that
I'm
aware
of-
and
I
know
that
the
dot
has
figures
on
that,
mr
chairman,
because
a
few
years
ago,
when
they
proposed
a
pilot
program
which
which
they've
never
come
back
to
us
on
they,
they
proposed
that
the
city
take
d.o.t
streets
and
they
would
give
us
a
40-year
maintenance
budget,
so
they
they
have
some
numbers
that
they
cooked
up
that
that
you
know
was
a
part
of
that
offer.
We
actually
just
to
try
the
program
out
listed
a
few
streets.
A
We
were
willing
to
accept
in
the
program,
but
they
they
never
followed
up
to
quote,
give
them
to
us
or
the
money
so
that
hasn't
happened
yet
so
there
robbie.
Do
you
know
what
that
is?
It's
something
you
know
standard
dollar
per
foot
or
per
year,
so
many
dollars,
but
anyway
we
can
get
those
figures
they
do.
They
do
have
some
analysis
on
that.
A
B
B
Hopefully
we're
closer
to
sunset
than
sunrise,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
it's
been
popular
and
has
worked
and
as
we
look
into
the
future,
and
maybe
thinking
about
opportunities
for
doing
this,
some
more
having
an
understanding
of
what
actually
the
cost
of
of
taking
back
a
portion
of
a
city
street
might
be
because
it's
clear
to
me-
and
I
think
that
everyone
would
concur
that
unless
we
control
the
street
a
parklet
is
not
a
long-term
solution
from
the
dot's
perspective,
they're
just
not
going
to.
B
Let
us
do
it,
and
I
I'm
just
looking
at
the
map.
Now
I
mean
I
don't
know
like
like
we
own,
almost
the
entire
straight
length
of
cumberland
street,
we
own
a
good
bit
of
king
street.
We
own,
like
I
said
the
block
just
to
the
west
of
where
baba's
is
on
calhoun,
and
I
just
didn't
know.
B
If
we,
we
internally
think
that
that's
a
huge
maintenance
burden
on
us,
whether
it's
a
big
deal
at
all
or
not,
as
we
think
about
ways
to
move
this
program
forward
and
make
it
more
permanent,
certainly
be
good
to
know
that
we're
not
putting
ourselves
in
financial
jeopardy
and
maybe
actually
creating
some
opportunities
for
revenue.
So
I
just.
I
just
think
that
that
may
be
a
worthwhile
exercise
if
it
doesn't
take
too
much
time
and
energy
on
the
part
of
mr
summerville
on
this
team.
A
Well,
we
can.
We
can
certainly
find
out
that,
like
I
said
they
had
those
formulas
figured
out.
But
if
you
don't
mind,
mr
chairman,
I
would
just
like
to
share
my
thoughts
with
you
and
the
other
committee
members
about
this
topic.
Briefly
sure
please.
A
So
personally
I
I
kind
of
like
the
notion
of
parklets,
but
on
duo
t
streets.
They
have
made
it
infinitely
clear
to
us
at
this
time
that
that
was
an
emergency
matter
and
they
they
will
not
allow
parklets
on
their
streets,
which
you
know
I
respect
their
their
position
on
that.
So
that
leads
you
to
think
well.
A
Could
we
do
it
on
city,
streets
and-
and
I
have
asked
the
zone
planning
department
to
come
up
with
a
set
of
guidelines
by
which
we
would
consider
a
parklet
on
a
city
street
which,
in
my
opinion,
would
have
to
include
a
fee
number
one
and
number
two
would
have
to
include
support
of
the
nearby
property
owners
and
neighborhood.
A
You
know
before
as
part
of
those
requirements,
if
you
will
for
for
for
putting
one
in
in
place
that
that
all
being
said,
I
think,
they'll
proceed
and
do
so.
So,
in
the
meantime,
both
the
one
that
was
on
a
d.o.t
street
and
and
the
other
which
was
on
city
street,
I
we've
asked
both
of
them
to
remove
them
at
this
time
and
the
one
that's
on
the
city
street
we'll
be
able
to
come
back
after
we
develop
some
guidelines
and
apply,
and
you
know
we
could
consider
that.
A
Personally,
I
got
to
tell
you
I
I
mean
I
don't
have
that
number
for
maintenance
on
top
of
my
head,
we'll
get
it
for
you,
but
it
it's
hard
for
me
to
justify
unless
a
property
owner
was
willing
to
pay
a
fee
high
enough
to
cover
you
know
the
the
whole
block
or
whatever
section
we
asked
to
come
into
the
city
system.
I
I
think
that
would
be
a
pretty
high
number,
but
anyway
we
we
can
work
the
numbers
on
that.
A
I
I
have
a
hard
time
justifying
bringing
a
city
into
the
city
of
responsibility
from
the
d.o.t
just
for
this
purpose
alone,
if
there
is
not
a
more
compelling
public
purpose
as
there
was
when
we
took
murray
boulevard,
for
example,
in
order
to
complete
the
the
low
battery
seawall
project.
Now
that
that
was
a
real
public
purpose
and
was
worth
us
taking
the
road
back
from
the
d.o.t
just
in
order
to
accomplish
that.
A
But
you
know,
unless
we
had
some
other
public
purpose
or
compelling
reason
to
me,
it
kind
of
it
seems
hard
to
justify
taking
a
d.o.t
street
in
order
to
accommodate
a
parklet.
So
but
but
that's
just
my
gut
gut
reaction
on
the
whole
thing
and
kind
of
where
we
stand
right
now,.
B
Well,
thank
you.
I,
I
suspect
that
we
put
some
metrics
to
this,
mr
mayor,
that
the
actual
cost
on
some
of
these
streets
is
de
minimis
at
best,
but
we
can
find
that
out.
I
think,
as
we
sort
of
look
at
it,
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
the
map
now
I
happen
to
used
to
live
on
a
street
that
was
city
owned
and
controlled,
and
I
don't
recall
there
ever
being
any
maintenance
on
it
ever
in
the
25
years
to
live
there.
B
So,
but
I
mean
the
things
like
paving
and
stuff
the
county
and
the
state
will
still
do
it
anyway.
I
didn't
want
to
take
a
whole
bunch
of
time
on
this,
but
if
we
can
sort
of
get
a
sense
of
what
it
really
means
in
terms
of
actual
dollars
to
do
that,
because
there's
a
number
of
streets
that
we've
taken
back
for
a
bunch
of
different
purposes,
some
of
which
clearly
are
commercial,
is
to
allow
some
developments
and
things
like
that,
so
let's
at
least
get
a
handle
on
it.
B
So
as
we
go
forward
and
think
about
this-
and
I
know
that
mr
summerfield
is
well
aware-
but
during
the
course
of
covet,
the
civic
design
center
did
a
good
bit
of
work
on
sort
of
standard
design,
features
for
parklets
and
the
like,
so
probably
don't
need
to
reinvent
the
wheel
just
get
with
morgan
and
that
team
over
there
they've
got
some
pretty
good
thoughts
on
it
already
that
I
think,
are
attractive,
safe
and
would
stand
as
a
good
standard
as
we
look
for
some
opportunities
in
the
future.
B
B
H
B
H
Okay,
so
the
city
has
been
notified
of
some
recent
predatory,
towing
practices
that
are
occurring
where
the
towing
company
and
the
private
property
owners
are
towing
vehicles,
even
when
the
vehicle
owner
shows
up,
maybe
just
a
minute
late
or
maybe
they've
parked
incorrectly,
and
they
come
back
to
change
it
or
after
just
a
very
short
period
of
time,
and
obviously
this
is
very
expensive
for
our
citizens
and
our
visitors
and
and
causes
a
lot
of
you
know,
issues
with
having
to
get
their
vehicles
back
and
paying
to
get
them
out
of
towing.
H
And
everything
like
that.
So
the
legal
department
has
been
tasked
with
researching
some
options
that
we
might
have
to
address.
H
The
mayor
actually
suggested
that
we
have
a
parking
enforcement
officer
be
present,
maybe
rather
than
a
police
officer,
and
we
thought
that
was
a
good
idea
just
for
staffing
purposes.
It
won't
tie
up
the
police
department
as
much,
but
during
off
hours,
when
our
parking
enforcement
officers
may
not
be
available,
then
the
police
department
could
act
as
backup
in
that
way,
and
so
you
know
as
long
as
we
have
an
officer
whether
it's
a
parking
enforcement
officer
or
a
police
officer
present,
then
they
can.
H
Actually,
you
know,
give
a
little
bit
more
weight
to.
You
know,
checking
out
the
situation
if
the
vehicle
owner
runs
up
at
the
last
minute.
You
know
they
might
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
police
officer
or
the
parking
enforcement
officer
and
work
it
out
before
you
know
it
becomes
a
fully
towed
vehicle
right
at
the
last
minute.
So
that
was
our
idea
for
some
changes,
I'll
open
it
up
for
discussion
for
everybody
now.
But
if
you
like
this
direction,
we
can
certainly
draft
an
amended
ordinance
at
our
next
meeting.
A
I
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
I
I
get
letters
and
on
on
a
regular
basis,
mostly
from
visitors,
but
sometimes
from
you
know,
citizens
that
are
regional
citizens.
You
know
who
have
been
on
a
downtown
private
lot
and
come
back
like
five
minutes
after
their
duly
paid,
you
know
permission
to
be
on
the
lot
and
and
their
car
is
being
towed
away
and
they're
liking
they're
in
total
shock
disbelief,
and
then
they
start
the
process
of
finding
where
their
car
went.
A
You
know
the
fees,
the
storage,
the
time
the
I
mean
for,
and
I
was
five
minutes
late
getting
back
to
my
car.
You
know
it
just
it
seems
absurd,
really
and
and
what
I've
come
to
find
out
on
some
occasions.
The
property
owner
doesn't
even
collect
any
of
the
towing
fees.
A
He
just
wants
to
get
his
his
parking
revenue,
and
so
he
basically
gives
the
towing
company
carte
blanche
you
you
just
do
whatever
you
want.
You
know.
I
want
them
off
my
lot
if
they,
if
they,
if
they're,
not
exactly
current
and
and
so
I've
heard
stories
about
what
I
what
sounds
like
unscrupulous
tow
truck
drivers
who
who
hold
people
up-
or
you
know
you
know,
give
them
a
hard
time
and
are
rude,
and
I
get
I
get
a
number
of
stories
along
these
lines.
I
don't
know
about
y'all.
I
I
have
to
agree
with
the
mayor
that
you
know
that's
the
the
complaints
that
I
get.
Are
you
know
people
just
a
minute
late.
They
didn't
realize
that
the
lot
was
private
and
and
next
thing
they
know
they're
paying
205
dollars
to
retrieve
their
vehicle
for
vn
code,
so
that
that
is
a
constant
complaint
that
I
received.
B
It
seems
to
me,
mr
man,
robbie,
there's
two
different
categories
that
we're
talking
about
here:
the
one
which
people
pay
to
be
on
private
lot
and
come
back
a
few
minutes
late
and
they're
towed.
That's
one,
and
those
are
people
who
have
business
licenses
with
the
city
in
order
to
operate
a
commercial
enterprise
and
then
there's
the
purely
private
lot
scenario.
B
Where
someone
just
parks
at
a
private
lot,
they
haven't
paid
any
money
or
anything
and
someone
wants
them
towed,
and
it
would
seem
to
me
that
a
situation
is
dealt
with
better
through
the
business
licensing
process
than
it
is
through
an
ordinance
that
would
require
either
a
police
officer
or
a
peo
in
any
one
of
the
200
square
miles
of
the
city.
If
there's
going
to
be
a
private
tow,
I
just
think
those
are
two
separate
and
distinct
situations.
B
Anyway,
that's
my
two
cents
on
this
I
mean
you
know
from
the
business
license
side.
Mr
mayor,
if
someone's
operating
a
commercial
enterprise
parking
privately,
I
mean
we
could
build
into
the
business
licensing
requirements
that
you
know.
If
someone's
overtime,
they
can't
be
towed
for
some
number
of
minutes
or
whatever,
rather
just
immediately,
but
what
do
we
do
with
the
situation
where
someone's
out
shadow,
moss
or
village
green
and
they're
parked
on
a
private
lot?
They've
got
to
wait
for
p.o
or
police
officer
to
come.
B
I
just
think
we're
creating
a
pretty
big
bureaucratic
scenario
by
which,
where
no
one's
going
to
be
happy
and
how
how
many
pos
do
we
have
ravi.
I
E
Thank
you.
I
think
you
pose
an
interesting
alternate
solution
chairman.
But
frankly,
the
first
thought
that
I
had,
as
you
were
talking,
was
how
the
heck
are
we
going
to
enforce
the
business
license
and
what
would
it
mean
they'd
have
to
accumulate.
E
You
know
a
certain
track
record
of
of
non-consensual
toe
that
to
me
seems
like
a
bureaucratic.
You
know
sort
of
subjective
process
that
I
think,
would
be
very
hard
to
continue
over
time,
and
I
I
really
didn't
get
the
impression
from
miss
sterling.
I
mean
ms
halverson,
that
we
were
talking
about
purely
private
lots
that
people
just
happen
on
I
mean
then
the
owner
has
to
call
the
tow
truck
and
basically
that
that's
a
whole
different
scenario.
E
So
I
I
do
think
that
it'd
be
easy
to
regulate
those
own.
Those
parking
lots
that
plan
on
having
customers.
You
know
for
their
own
purposes,
as
opposed
to
just
some
random
lot
where
somebody
feels
like
they
could
sneak
on
and
park
without
anybody
knowing
about
them,
and-
and
maybe
I'm
totally
wrong
about
that
too.
But
it
seems
like
you
know
that
we
could
work
on
one
that's
easier
to
enforce,
while
you're
evaluating
what
the
more
subtle
situations
might
end
up
being
in
the
future.
A
Well,
that's
a
good
distinction
to
con
consider
and
admittedly,
most
of
the
complaints
that
I've
received
were
from
lots
where
they
were
for
hire.
I
mean
the
people
were
paying
to
to
park
and
and
either
the
meter
was
broken
and
they
got
towed
or
you
know,
as
I
said,
a
shoot
a
very
short
time.
It's
like
almost
the
tow
trucks
like
sitting
there
waiting.
You
know
for
the
the
meter
to
go
click
and
then
they
go
and
connect
to
the
car
and
get
going.
You
know.
A
So
that's
a
good
distinction
to
make
and
maybe
something
we
research,
a
little
more
and
and
and
think
more
about.
B
Thank
you,
I
think
so,
because
the
the
the
scenario
I'm
thinking
about
mr
mayor
is
a
scenario
where
you
have
a
private
lot
that
you
own
you
post
that
it's
for
customers,
only
you
don't
charge
anybody
to
park
there,
and
then
they
go
and
park
there
and
they
are
not
a
customer
they're
doing
something
completely
different
they're
going
to
another
business
they're
going
to
have
a
drink,
and
there
are
plenty
of
examples
of
that.
And
what
do
we
do?
In
that
scenario?
B
Do
we
have
to
still
call
way
for
peo
or
police
officer
to
tow
when
someone
is
paying
taxes
on
four
or
five
lots,
downtown
spaces
downtown
to
get
people
in
and
out
of
their
business?
The
one
lot
that
comes
to
mind
is
jackson.
Davenport,
you
know
they've
got
like
four
or
five
spaces
there
along
the
right
side.
B
A
Well,
clearly,
that's
a
lot
where
most
of
the
spaces
are
for
hire,
but
not
all
of
them,
though
right,
but
not
all
of
them.
Yeah
yeah
we'll
put
some
thought
into
that.
But
anyway,
I
appreciate
y'all's
willingness
to.
Please
go
to
the
next
step,
because
the
people
that
this
happens
to
maybe
they're,
not
that
many
of
them
but
boy
they
they
in
my
opinion,
rightfully
get
very
upset
and
it's
it's
a
it's
a
black
eye
on
all
of
us.
I
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
just
bring
the
committee
up
to
where
we
are
with
the
current
bike
share
program.
I
You
know,
I
guess
the
process
started
back
in
august,
where
we
received,
we
went
out
to
bid,
and
in
september,
is
when
we
received,
I
guess,
applications
from
six
different
companies,
and
you
know,
thanks
to
gary
cooper
and
his
staff,
we
were
able
to
have
presentations
in
october
and
november,
in
which
we
have
selected
neutron,
holding
dba
line
as
the
to
be
our
bike
share
vendor
per
se.
Now
the
contract,
the
the
current
contract
ends
in
february.
I
I
actually
was
on
the
phone
today
with
line
who
was
very
excited
about
coming
to
charleston.
They
want
to
come
in
and
make
contact
and
do
a
launch
program
with
the
city.
So
we
will.
I
don't
know
if
jason
cronsberg's
still
on
the
line,
but
I'm
gonna
have
them
come
to
the
next
design
review
committee
meeting,
so
they
can
discuss
their
program
and
how
they
want
to
launch
and
move
forward
from
there.
So
again,
the
contract
expires
in
february.
I
B
D
B
That's
an
excellent
question
and
has
been
the
subject
of
some
conversations
with
lime
and
they've.
Actually,
given
us
a
prototype
draft
prototype
that
incorporates
the
colors
that
we
currently
have
the
the
light
blue,
but
it
will
have
a
distinct
lime
streak
on
it
just
so
it
helps
them
with
their
branding
too,
and
I
think
robbie.
I
think
we
can
share
that
with
the
committee.
It's
no
problem.
I
know
the
mayor's
seen
it
I've
seen
it.
B
It
looks
pretty
good
actually,
so
they
were
sensitive
to
that
when
we
talked
to
them
after
the
presentations.
It's
pretty
cool.
B
Okay,
anything
else,
mr
somerville,
on
bike
share.
No
sir
right
well,
bike
share
has
been
popular
in
the
city
charleston.
It's
can
be
an
interesting
transition,
but
the
company
that's
taking
over
as
well
experience
and,
I
think,
is
excited
about
being
in
charleston,
so
we
should
have
an
excellent
experience
with
them.
So
thank
you
for
your
hard
work,
mr
summerville.
All
that
next,
if
necessary,
do
we
need
a
motion
to
go
into
a
negative
session?
Is
someone
out
there
to
give
us
some
advice
on
that
on
the
pedicab
token
process?
B
B
B
E
I
move
that
we
go
into
executive
session
to
determine
the
next
steps
for
this
pedicab
token
process.
B
Great
and
we
have
a
second
council
member
brady-
yes
ma'am
just.
I
B
Any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
with
that
who
is
in
charge
of
putting
us
into
a
breakout
room.