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From YouTube: City of Charleston Housing Stat Meeting 5/18/23
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City of Charleston Housing Stat Meeting 5/18/23
B
All
right
and
good
morning
to
those
attending
online
and
as
well
as
anyone
who
might
be
watching
the
new
YouTube.
Sorry
we're
getting
started
a
few
minutes
late.
My
computer
thought
it
was
the
weekend
this
morning,
so
so
it
needed
a
little
extra
to
use
to
get
us
started.
B
So
this
is
the
May
edition
of
housing,
stat
and
I'm
excited
to
see
y'all
this
morning,
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different
today,
just
because
probably
the
couple
people
that
were
probably
the
big
presumers
or
they
had
to
go
on
vacation.
So
so
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
little
more
of
Gianna
and
I
than
you
all
usually
get,
but
which
is
a
good
thing.
C
B
But
and
then
but
we
will
hear
from
Philip
and
Florence
and
Sandy
so
it
won't
be,
it
won't
be
at
all.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started.
B
So
you
know
really
you
all
know
why
we're
here,
but
for
those
that
might
be
online
for
the
first
time
and
kept
being
housing
staff
meeting.
Why
are
we
here?
It's?
Yes,
it's
about
accountability,
but
it's
really
to
help
us
all
work
together
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
progress
on
the
mayor's
highest
priorities-
and
it's
also
you
know
you
all-
are
doing
such
great
work
and
so
how
do
we?
B
B
So
hopefully
everyone
in
the
room
at
least
is
familiar
with
this
poster
mayor
T's
priorities,
the
first
one
not
in
they're,
not
really
necessarily
in
order
of
priority,
if
you
will
but
Public
Safety,
protecting
our
citizens
from
the
impact
of
flooding
and
Sea
Level,
Rides,
attainable
and
affordable
housing
for
all
of
our
all
of
our
residents.
Here
today,
how
do
we
enhance
and
diversify
our
transportation
infrastructure,
economic
empowerment,
to
build
an
inclusive
and
Equitable
community?
And
then,
of
course,
you
know,
quality
of
life
issues
that
make
you
know
we
rely.
B
Everyone
wants
to
come
to
Charleston
and
create
some
some
challenges
for
us
as
well,
and
also
while
I'm
just
talking
in
my
mind,
anyone
who
is
actually
online
an
attendee
mode.
If
you
have
any
questions
kind
of
throughout
presentations,
please
feel
free
to
send
them
through
the
Q
a,
and
we
will
do
our
best
to
address
those
questions.
B
B
So
the
team
again,
you
know
the
whole
idea
behind
priorities
that
was
not
to
focus
on
one
department
at
a
time
right.
We
all
need
to
be
working
together
across
departmentally
to
solve
these
issues
for
our
residents,
and
so
this
has
been
truly
collaborative
approach
to
how
we
got
here
today
and,
of
course,
how
we
evolve
going
into
the
future,
because
we
it's
always
opportunity
for
us
to
do
better
and
improve.
B
So
this
has
been
a
really
great
team,
working
together
really
since
the
beginning,
so
the
things
that
we
are
focused
on
for
housing
stat,
we
kind
of
broke
them
into
kind
of
four
categories,
the
first
being
create
maintain
vibrant,
diverse
and
safe
neighborhoods.
The
second
one
is
to
increase
the
supply
of
low-income,
affordable
and
Workforce
housing.
So
we
kind
of
have
the
percent
Amis.
That
kind.
D
B
Kpi
there
and
the
third
one
is
around
homelessness.
So
how
do
we
decrease
the
number
of
individuals
experiencing
homelessness
in
the
city
and
then,
of
course,
you
know
how
do
we,
how
do
we
improve
the
regulatory
environment,
so
reducing
barriers
to
help
make
sure
that
we
can
do
our
part
to
try
to
keep
housing
costs
as
slow
as
possible?.
B
So
on
today's
agenda,
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
seniors,
so
that's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
multi-faceted
effort.
You
know
we
I'm
going
to
try
to
like
I'll,
do
my
best
to
try
to
set
the
stage
from
a
data
perspective
and
kind
of
how
we
got
to
some
numbers
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Gianna
and
I.
Think
that's
going
to
kind
of
round
us
out
with
some
of
the
things
happening.
B
This
is
going
to
kind
of
update
us
on
that's
related
to
Ami
I,
think
those
numbers
have
just
been
updated
and
lately
so
we've
got
nothing
there.
I
think
about.
You
know
creating
affordable
health,
affordable
units
in
your
Transit,
so
we
have
specific
goal
associated
with
that
and
then
the
preservation
of
low
and
moderate
income
Tiana
so
and.
D
B
So
glad
we're
going
to
kick
off
with
senior
so
I'm
really
glad
to
see
Jamie
river
is
attending
virtually
towards
Jamie
I.
Invite
you
to
jump
in
at
any
point
and
good
morning,
mayor
good
morning,
mayor
have
a
seat
for
you
at
night.
If
you
would
like
it
yourself.
E
B
Know,
to
kind
of
you
know
how
we
got
to
the
number
that
we
think
that
we
need
for
her
seniors.
So
y'all
heard
this
number.
You
know
you
know
a
zillion
times
at
this
point,
but
the
comprehensive
plan
indicated
that
we
needed
additional
16
000
at
least
16
000,
low-income,
affordable
and
Workforce
housing
unit
size.
One
20
30,
is
is
right
around.
F
B
So
I
think
you
know
we're
doing
everything
we
can,
but
we
got
to
do
a
lot
more
and
figure
out
how
to
how
to
get
more
more
affordable
units
available
as
a
residents,
so
in
Charleston
County
recently
released
a
plan
and
they
estimate
that
they
need
an
additional
29
000
to
36
000
additional
housing
units
over
the
coming
decade.
So
that
feels
like
a
pretty
big
number
as
well,
and
so
you
know
kind
of
that
question
then
becomes
like
okay.
B
Well,
how
much
do
we
actually
need
for
seniors
when
we
were
talking
about
CNN
today,
we
kind
of
we
kind
of
put
that
65
and
over
age
range
on
it.
So
so
and
honestly,
you
know
I
feel
like
I'm
approaching
this
very
fast,
so
I
really
want
to
know
how
y'all
are
going
to
take
care
of
me.
B
Total
population-
and
this
is
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
so
if
we
look
back
in
2010
seniors
were
12
of
the
population.
B
We
know
that
the
total
population
has
increased
dramatically
over
the
last
decade.
Interested
we've
seen
a
25
increase
in
the
total
population,
but
what's
also
happening
is,
as
the
recent
ACS
in
2021
shows,
that
65
and
over
are
at
16.2
of
our
total
property.
So
not
only
is
the
total
percentage
of
population
at
UCC,
the
total
percentage
of
seniors
that
make
up
that
total
population
is
rapidly
increasing,
as
clouds.
B
So
this
just
takes
a
snapshot,
look
at
Geographic
Mobility,
so
the
first,
the
first
line
is
kind
of
the
total
population,
and
what
this
looks
at
is
like
that.
First
graph
is
how
many
people
from
one
year
to
another-
and
this
is
looking
at
I-
think
20
20
to
21,
because
it's
the
2021
BCS
how
many
people
were
in
the
same
house.
B
So
you
know
kind
of
logic-
tells
us
that
probably
the
younger
you
are
the
more
likely
you
are
to
move
around
and
obviously
we're
seeing
that
in
this
chart
and
then,
of
course,
when
we
look
at
those
in
the
same
county.
Really
when
we
talk
about
16
and
65
and
over
it
we're
these
two
charts
are
almost
100
percent
of
the
problems,
so
not
a
whole
lot
of
geographic
movies.
B
.,
so
a
little
information
on
housing
tenure
and
cost
burden,
households,
so
I
think
a
good
thing
is
is
that
when
we
look
at
that
60
60
and
over
and
65
and
over
they're,
more
likely
to
be
in
a
home
that
they
own.
B
So
that's
kind
of
that
first
chart
to
the
left
that
shows
the
owner
occupied
and
then
the
second
chart,
or
so
the
second
graph
in
that
first
chart
is
actually
rents
are
occupied
and
the
green
again
in
this
chart
is
the
total
population
with
the
blue
being
60
and
over,
and
then
the
brown
being
65
and
over.
B
B
And
if
much
more
so
if
they
rent.
B
What
do
we
know
about
senior
housing?
We've
got
approximately
2006
existing
units
that
are
actually
designated
for
seniors.
Almost
1400
are
housing
units
procedures
that
are
affordable.
B
You
know,
there's
been
some
there's
been
some
fluctuation
in
waiting
lists
and
wait
times
for
senior
housing,
so
it
varies
widely.
That
Jamie
has
some
additional
info.
B
B
and
ranked
up
50
since
2010.,
so
those
are
significant
increases,
especially
when
you
think
about
seniors
who
who
may
be
on
you
know
some.
You
know
on
more
and
of
course,
like
the
growth
and
and
prices
have
significantly
outpaced
income.
So
even
even
those
that
are
in
the
workforce
are
being.
You
know,
challenged
to
the
house
burden
right
and
so
home
values
grew
135
faster
than
homeowner
incomes.
B
And,
of
course,
you
know
in
the
city
plan
and
all
their
Outreach,
you
know
there
was
a
lot
during
the
Aging
residence
can't
really
stay
in
their
homes.
You
know
either
because
of
costs
and
maintenance,
and
things
like
that
and
maybe
accessibility
and,
of
course,
concern
about
about
what
options
are
available
to
them.
If
they
feel
like
they
can't.
B
B
So
you
know
what
do
we
think
we
need?
We,
you
know
as
a
team,
we
really
got
together
and
tried
to.
You
know,
think
about
what
does
this
really
mean?
And
you
know
looking
at
the
numbers.
We
really
really
thought
that
if
we
take
that
16
350
number,
we
feel
like
at
least
at
least
2600
of
those
affordable
units
really
need
to
be
designated
for
seniors.
B
B
D
I
apologize
because
I'm
driving
so
I've
had
to
pull
over
one
of
the
other
things.
A
lot
of
those
senior
housings
are
tax,
credit
property
and,
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
those
tax.
Credit
property
in
the
few
years
in
a
few
years
are
going
to
come
to
maturity,
which
mean
they
run
for
about
15
years,
and
then
the
owners
have
to
reassess
whether
they're
going
to
reapply
for
those
tax
credit.
A
lot
of
what
has
been
happening
is
a
lot
of
those
are
becoming
Senior
Communities
and
no
longer
really
becoming
low-income
housing.
C
C
C
We
will
have
the
opportunity
to
retain
those
for
perpetuity
if
we
choose
to
if
we've
been
city
council
in
the
future
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
Jamie
makes
an
excellent
point,
because
developers
do
have
the
option
at
the
end
of
their
conformance
or
performance
period,
with
low
income,
housing
tax
credits
to
opt
out
unless
they
have
city
funding,
which
often
requires
an
additional
15
years
or
a
total
of
30..
C
So
we
do
have
some
coverage,
but
not
probably
as
much
as
we
want
senior
housing
units
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
I
would
say
between
the
funding
that
the
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development,
along
with
State
housing,
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
have
funded
the
majority
of
the
senior
units
that
we
have
in
the
City
of
Charleston
currently,
and
that
is
beyond
those
that
are
owned
by
your
local
or
your
public.
C
Housing
authorities
and
I
would
say
to
us
for
those
who
do
not
know
there
are
three
public
housing
authorities
here:
locally
Charleston,
County,
City
of
Charleston
and
the
city
of
North
Charleston
all
have
public
housing
authorities,
I
believe
in
Florence.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that
the
City
of
Charleston
Housing
Authority,
probably
owns
a
larger
amount
of
inventory
out
of
those
particular
ones.
Although
I
know,
Charleston
County
tends
to
have
a
bulkier
amount
and
I.
Don't
y'all
didn't
make
this
slide
for
people
who
are
50
and
over
because
these
numbers
are.
A
C
Get
up
low
income
units
13.79
mirrors
laughing,
because
he
can
appreciate
that
you
see
here
some
of
the
market
rate
units
on
the
lower
portion
of
the
slide
and
often
in
these
there
if
they
have
been
facilitated
or
constructed
under
a
pod.
We
still
get
a
certain
percentage
of
those
under
under
influence
is
shaking
her
head.
So
I'm
saying
it
correctly.
We
get
a
percentage
of
those
four
affordable,
I
want
to
say
20,
but
I
always
want
the
numbers
to
be
higher
than
they
are.
C
Okay,
and
so
our
planners
are
making
sure
that
that
negotiation
will
be
easier
in
the
future,
because
we're
putting
requirements
in
the
butt,
hopefully
stock,
always
just
smiling
gently,
and
then
we
will
hopefully
be
able
to
negotiate
more,
but
through
support
of
Mayor
and
Council.
What
you
see
here
includes
both
affordable
all
senior
housing
for
the
most
part
funded
in
different.
C
For
seniors,
I
mentioned
the
homeownership
initiative
before
and
oftentimes
when
we
think
of
seniors,
we
don't
think
of
home
ownership,
but
it's
always
exciting
when
we
see
especially
seniors
who
bind
for
the
first
time,
18
total
senior
citizens
became
first-time
home
buyers
by
purchasing
homes
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
that's
the
data
that
you
see
before
you.
There.
We
have
a
90-year
restrictive
covenants,
restrictive
covenant
on
the
on
those
units
that
are
created
under
our
first
time,
home
buyer
program.
C
And
Sandy's
going
to
speak
to
this
more
specifically,
but
I
would
just
say
to
us
typically,
especially
with
low-income
housing
tax
credit
projects.
State
housing
looks
for
certain
criteria
when
you
are
developing
those
homes,
one
of
which
is
near
Transit
oftentimes,
because
seniors
may
not
own
homes
or
persons
of
certain
income
ranges
may
not
own
homes.
C
So
that
is
one
of
the
point
criteria
for
State
housing
that
you're
looking
at
building
housing-
that's
not
far
out
in
the
boonies,
if
you
will,
but
literally
near
public
transit
where,
if
folks
choose
to,
they
have
the
option
to
actually
access
public
transportation
Sandy.
You
want
to
jump
in
on
this.
One
sure.
A
Well,
Tracy's.
B
B
Too,
all
right,
Kenny,
all
right.
Thank
you.
E
So,
as
Gianna
mentioned,
one
of
the
goals
for
any
new
horrible
housing
units
that
are
developed
is
to
make
sure
that
they
have
access
to
specifically
to
meet
those
criteria
for
State
that
Target
number,
for
that
criteria
is
to
have
85
of
the
new
units
in
development
be
less
than
a
half
mile
to
a
West.
E
E
D
E
Map
here
shows
the
overall
City
area
and
the
point
locations.
Little
dots,
as
you
can
tell
on
the
map
of
the
CARTA
bus,
stops
that
we
get
directly
from
carda
and
they
have
to
update
those
annually,
sometimes
a
little
more
often
so
we
get
this
as
up
to
date
as
we
can
and
the
Project's
affordable
housing
projects
are
pulled
from
our
permit
system,
so
that
data
that
I
used
last
week
was
pulling
from
the
live
permit
system.
E
That's
tracking
done,
affordable
housing
goes
to
development,
so
those
are
on
the
map
as
well,
and
what
we
do
is
take
that
in
our
GIS
software,
which
is
a
spatial
mapping
software,
that
is
a
lot
of
analysis,
kind
of
tools
that
we
can
do.
Analysis
and
I
run
that
and
run
tools
that
take
housing
and
use
the
streets
to
find
the
closest
walking
distance
to
a
bus.
Stop
so.
A
E
E
Up
a
little
weird,
it
was
telling
me
that
some
of
the
housing
strikes
were
like
seven
ten
miles
away
from
a
bus.
Stop
like
I
know.
That's
not
true.
I
know,
there's
one
right
there
here,
so
it
turned
out
that
since
I
was
just
using
the
car
to
stops
some
of
those
bus
stop
locations
were
through
the
Tri-County
Lee
system.
So.
E
And
brought
those
points
into
the
mapping
tools
and
got
much
better
numbers.
So
what
we
end
up
with
is
so
zoomed
in
on
the
peninsula.
As
you
can
see,
those
routes
and
all
of
those
blue
lines
are
the
routes
and
those
are
linked
to
the
table
of
data.
So
I
could
use
that
to
calculate
those
numbers.
The
total
units,
the
total
distance,
number,
make
sure
we're
meeting
the
criteria.
B
A
B
E
B
A
C
So
as
we
continue
our
efforts
to
enhance
the
amount
of
Housing
and
in
particular
for
seniors,
naturally
creating
and
supporting
senior
housing
and
I
Chloe
mentioned
another
set
of
units
that
are
forthcoming,
Humanities
foundation
and
naturally
they're
under
a
separate
LLC
when
they
construct
they're
building
Archer.
C
But
they
also
worked
with
the
city
more
than
three
years
ago
to
also
secure
another
site
near
Lee,
Street,
so
that'll
be
senior
as
well
preserve
existing
housing
for
seniors,
which
we
talked
about
previously
very
important,
build
new
senior
housing
support
seniors
who
are
renters
in
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
we
do
that
in
many
ways:
oftentimes
that
is
at
the
beginning,
when
a
unit
or
when
units
are
being
initially
constructed.
We
are
putting
some
level
of
funding
in
the
form
of
subsidy
in
those
units
to
ensure
their
longer
term
affordability.
C
C
Okay
and
so
what
the
future
holds,
you
see
a
photo
here.
We
had
a
panel
discussion
that
the
mayor's
commissioned
on
homelessness
and
affordable
housing
held
a
few
weeks
ago,
and
we
had
several
developers
that
preserve
housing
operation
home
was
there.
We
had
representatives
from
Humanities
Foundation
there.
C
We
also
had
a
construction
lead
from
Trident
State
housing
was
there
and
the
goal
was
really
to
talk
through
and
show
the
public
what
literally
happens
as
a
release
of
the
financing
of
affordable
housing
and
the
reality
of
where
we
are
right
now
and
so
much
of
what
came
out
of
that
was
a
discussion
overall,
not
simply
about
senior
housing
but
housing
and
its
totality,
and
certainly
to
proactively
advance,
affordable
housing
preservation,
priorities,
work
with
with
partners
and
housing
developers
to
convene
a
reason,
a
regional
preservation
Coalition
and
engage
in
a
series
of
educational
forums
related
to
Affordable,
Workforce
and
attainable
housing,
conduct
Outreach
to
owners
to
understand
capital
and
the
financial
needs
for
preservation,
and
for
sharing
that
information
and
the
team
member
put
on
here
an
exam,
an
example
of
artillery
point.
C
We
are
working
with
the
Charleston
Water
System
right
now.
Artillery
point
is
a
community
on
John's
Island
and
we're
attempting
to
help
those
individuals
move
from
septic
systems
to
sewer
systems
out
there
and,
of
course,
there's
cost
involved
with
that.
But
literally
there
are
so
many
advantages
to
them.
Doing
that,
and
literally
it's
about
40
residents
in
that
Community
who
we've
been
engaging
with
over
the
last
several
months.
C
But
it
really
speaks
to
that
preservation
because
I
think
I
want
to
say
50
or
more
of
those
folks
are
in
that
age
category
that
we
consider
seniors
so
really
working
closely
with
them
to
understand
the
environmental
benefits,
the
economic
benefits
and
just
really
how
they
preserve
their
their
homes
and
their
lives
in
a
more
efficient
way.
And
so
that's
really
important
to
what
we're
attempting
to
do
as
well.
B
And
I
think
so:
Philip
was
gonna.
Maybe
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
happening
in
the
world
of
zoning.
Sure.
F
I
can
touch
on
this.
You
know
so,
as
as
we
started
digging
into
this
important
subcategory
of
housing,
you
know
trying
to
establish
kind
of
a
baseline.
You
know
kind
of
where
we
are
what
the
numbers
are.
F
Senior
housing
issue,
one
of
the
things
we
started
looking
at
was
you
know
what
are
our?
What
are
our
regulatory
permitting
and
policies
that
we
have
today
or
we
can
develop?
You
know
what
tools
are
available
to
us.
F
F
That
touch
on
in
housing,
but
more
specifically
elderly
housing.
We
do
have
a
zoning
District.
It's
called
the
diverse
residential
VR
core,
specifically
elderly
housing,
but
it's
really
geared
towards
more,
like
Assisted
Living
type
facilities.
So
it's
not
necessarily
independent
living
or
you
know,
introspective
or
a
specific
housing,
but.
F
F
158
Acres
of
this
zoning
category
and
it
is
spread
out
throughout
all
geographic
area
of
the
city
as
an
indicator
of
where,
where
we're
you.
F
At
least
being
able
to
Target
where
senior
housing
can,
and
so
it
occur,
so
you
know
just
from
a
regulatory
standpoint,
and
this
is
somewhat
anecdotal.
You.
F
Seen
you
know
from
the
development
folks
in
senior
housing,
but
more
specifically,
in
this
case
Assisted
Living.
You
know,
there's
there's
a
good
bit
going
on.
You
know
as
as
in
the
recent
past,
you
know
as
far
as
developing
it's
just
lifting
into
you
know
that
don't
appear
to
be
any
real
regulatory
barriers
to
developing
at
least
Assisted
Living
type
facilities
now
senior
housing.
You
know
as
far
as
like
low-income
or
you
know,
targeting
specific
age
groups.
You
know
that
that
might
be
a
little
bit
different
story,
but.
F
Not
necessarily
an
incentive
based,
District
I
think
it's
just
something
we
established
years
ago,
just
from
anecdotal
research.
Nobody
in
our
department,
I
think
was
you
know
in
in
zoning
or
planning.
A
F
Things
that
you
might
not
have
for
other
multi-family
developments,
you
know
it
might
Target
different
aspects
of
you
know
your
marketing
requirements.
You
know
things
that
you
know
might
allow.
You
know
it's
even
some
retail
or
personal
services
on
the
same
side
or
nearby.
F
You
know,
for
instance,
you
know
things
like
you
know.
The
elderly
might.
F
So
you
know
as
far
as
the
zoning
aspects
you
know
we
have
the
this
dr4
District,
but
we
also
have
puds
as
Diana
mentioned,
and
this
is
plan
unit
developments
which
is
kind
of
a
customized
zoning
category
that
the
state
has.
You
know
a
good
bit
of
control
over
and
therefore
we
can
get
specific
things.
You
know
that
might
Target,
probably
housing.
That's
an
aspect
that
you
know.
F
We
need
a
specific
area
that
they're
dealing
with
and
then
of
course,
as
Andy
mentioned,
you
know
our
zoning
and
Target,
especially
with
density
requirements
or
incentives.
F
You
know
target
areas
that
are
the
most
appropriate
or
senior
housing,
and
you
know
something
that
might
be
closer
to
Transit
or
closer
to
other
services
that
might
be
a
little
different
than
the
general
population,
so
that
you
know
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
as
far
as
zoning
regulatory
tools,
but
in
the
future
you
know
we
do
have
the
opportunity,
with
a
new
zoning
code
that
we
are
just
embarking
on
for
the
entire
city.
F
B
Even
though
it's
not
targeted
specifically
for
seniors,
it's
seen
for
to
their
accepted
nationally
as
a
tool
for
Aging
in
place,
another
housing
option
that
may
be
better
for
someone
who
you
know
they
could
yard
and
run
out
their
Full
House
space,
and
so
that
is
seen
as
an
option
in
Gianna
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
seen
of
the
people
who
have
made
inquiries
into
funding
for
adus
hasn't
any
of
them
been
for
students.
B
F
B
Curious,
you
know,
like
what
other
you
know,
I
know
we
have
like
the
C
and
Lou.
We
don't
I
know
we
just
kind
of
let's
just
use
broad
broadly
for
affordable.
You
know
it's
is
there?
Should
we
think
about
the
certain
percentage
of
you
know,
units
developed
using
the
feeling
should
include
seniors
or
I,
don't
know
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
for.
C
And
recycling
so
that
money
is
traditionally
been
used
for
acquisition
of
properties
because,
as
I
think
was
mentioned
earlier
in
the
slides
that
we
looked
at,
the
cost
for
land
has
gone
up
substantially
and
we
are
whether
we
want
to
recognize
it
or
not.
In
competition
with
the
market
rate
developers,
who
can
go
a
lot
faster
than
we
can
and
even
acquiring
properties.
C
And
so
we
have
tried
to
control
that
from
the
standpoint
of
really
looking
at
it
to
acquire
and
then
to
build,
and
so
there
could
actually
be
a
benefit
to
senior
housing
and
because
the
need
is
so
great,
we
don't
necessarily
say
senior
housing,
because
family
units
could
also
be
used
for
seniors
as
well.
So
the
question
will
become
whether
we
want
to
focus
specifically
on
that.
C
Knowing
that
the
need
is
there
and
I
think
supporting
developers
like
Humanities
foundation
will
result
in
us
same
senior
units
built
City
through
mayor
and
Council
put
4.4
million
in
Archer.
C
So
that's
a
substantial
investment
in
senior
housing
and
literally
all
of
the
developments
that
you
all
saw
on
the
screen
earlier.
The
city's
funding,
either
from
the
federal
government
through
home
funding
or
general
fund
dollars,
were
invested
in
each
one
of
those
units,
so
either
land
or
cash
or
a
combination
of
both.
So
we've.
We
played
a
pivotal
role
in
what
you
see
now
and
I.
Don't
see
that
that
will
change
tremendously
because
usually
they're
coming
to
the
city
to
ask
for
ask
for
us.
F
With
the
test
of
our
interview
or
corpse
housing
districts,
you
know,
and
if
in
the
future
there
could
be
more,
you
know
kind
of.
F
Were
to
change
a
bit
but
to
get
you
know,
I.
D
B
F
Well,
just
from
a
legal
standpoint
that
much
about
it,
however,
just
based
on
what
I
do
know,
yeah
the
the
we've
been
reluctant
to
make
some
changes
based
on
what
we
believe
state
law
prohibits
us
from
doing,
and
that
and.
D
F
Requiring
certain
types
of
development
like
like
low
income
or
affordable
housing,
Workforce
housing
Networks,
but
but
there
there
is,
there
does
seem
to
be
demand
and.
B
I
Thought
yeah
further
say
we
are
not
enabled
by
by
state
law
to
have
inclusionaries
and
forth.
We
know
the
Riley
Administration
came
up
with
the
mixed
use,
designations
that
are
voluntary
and
incentive-based,
but
they
are
pretty
well
restricted
to
the
peninsula
and-
and
so
I
really
view
our
zoning
rewrite
that
we're
now
embarked
upon
as
a
real
opportunity
to
make
some
changes
to
to
expand
voluntary
and
incentive-based
Zoning,
not
just
on
the
peninsula
but
other
parts
of
the
city,
and
particularly
where
you
have
the
elevation
where
we
want
to
promote
density.
I
I
If
you
look
at
concern,
I
get
that,
but
if
you
hadn't
built
on
property,
yet
you
hadn't
taken
advantage
of
any
rights.
So
if,
if
you
reduce
the
valuable
density
or
market
rate
and
provide
an
incentive
for
dr4
or
these
other
zoning
categories
to
where
you
could
get
even
more
density,
but
you
gotta
have
the
affordable
percentage
added
to
it.
I
To
me,
that
would
be
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and
I'll
repeat
it
again.
I
mean
we
have
seen
so
many
apartments
develop
particularly
West
Ashley
James
Island,
where
there
was
no
affordability
requirement.
I
just
got
to
believe
that
the
allowable
density
was
was
too
high.
To
start
with,
you
want
to,
you
know,
build
a
250
unit
apartment.
I
You
ought
to
have
to
get
the
incentive
to
to
get
there,
which
would
require
some
affordability,
I,
don't
know
how
else
to
do
it
if
somebody's
got
a
better
idea.
Please
speak
up.
You
know
so,
hopefully
we'll
figure
that
out
over
the
next
or
a
few
months
as
we.
I
As
we
so
I
did
I
guess,
while
I'm
chatting
here
you're
probably
doing
this
but
I
want
to
make
sure
Jamie
mentioned
the
the
credits
that
are
burning
off
on
some
of
these
senior
units.
I'll
make
sure
we're
tracking
when
those
credits
burn
off,
so
that
we're
in
touch
with
the
appropriate
owners.
You
know
two
or
three
years
in
advance,
we're
doing
that
right.
B
I
We
ought
to
have
a
particular
system
where
two
to
three
years
out
we're
on
the
phone
talking
to
whoever
it
might
be
and
make
sure
we're
in
the
game,
so
to
speak.
If,
if
they're
going
to
sell
the
property
or
if
they're
gonna
try
to
do
something
other
than
affordable
with
it
and
then
the
last
important
question
I
wanted
to
make
was
just
thinking
about
the
numbers
and
the
growth
of
seniors
and
I'm
I'm
not
worried
about
the
seniors
that
are
moving
here
are
in
here.
Most
of
them
come
here.
I
They've
got
adequate
retirement
income
and
in
fact
you
know,
there's
product
plan
to
be
built
for
senior
housing.
That's
it
what
I
would
call
market
rate
plus
you
know
it's
high-end
type
product.
They
do
a
great
job
of
Bishop.
Gadsden
ain't,
cheap!
You
know,
Courier,
Square
2
is
going
to
build
this
wonderful
residential
facility,
but
I
bet
it's
going
to
be
four
or
five
thousand
dollars
a
month.
I
You
know,
and
so
I
I
think
that
part
of
the
market
is
going
to
take
care
of
itself
and
it
seems
to
be
the
most
critical
subset
to
focus
on
is.
Is
those
seniors
who
are
living
here
now?
Who
who
are
constrained
by
their
income
and
I
know
you
got
the
roof
replacement
and
the
rehab?
But
the
numbers
aren't
really
big
on
the
number
of
units
that
we're
able
to
help
and
I
I
would
just
challenge
us
to
brainstorm
of
other
other
programs.
I
We
could
tie
into
or
bring
forward
the
help
seniors
in
place,
not
the
ones
moving
here,
but
the
ones
that
are
here
already
and
and
that
that's
a
particular
challenge
a
lot
of
times.
People
talk
about
the
property
taxes
going
up,
I,
don't
I
think
if
that
gets
overblown,
because
we
do
have
those
five-year
limits,
as
if
you
don't
sell
your
home
but
they're
just
there's
a
whole
nother
layer
of
maintenance.
I
You
know
and
and
some
faith,
faith
groups
and
habitat
are
now
doing
more
rehab
projects
and
new
construction,
and
maybe
we're
on
a
I'll
find
a
couple
more
good
partners
like
that
to
really
try
to
do
more
Outreach
to
keep
seniors
in
place.
C
In
fact,
we
added
this
past
year
we
were
working
with
operation,
Homes,
Charleston
habitat
we've,
now
added
pcap
to
the
rehab
component.
To
your
point,
the
need
is
tremendous.
It
is
great,
and
even
when
I
think
about
minor
rehab
of
senior
housing
is
often
not
enough.
In
fact,
I
have
two
in
mind
that
we
will
likely
try
to
pull
money
from
elsewhere
to
just
get
these
houses
in.
E
C
E
C
We
met
with
we've
been
meeting
with
developers,
as
we
typically
do,
but
one
of
the
things
this
is
a
private
sector
developer.
A
H
I
So
back
to
the
rehab
of
one
other
thought,
I
had
crossed
my
mind
that
you
mentioned
to
me
in
years
past
is
the
red
tape
that
we
encounter
with
those
programs
because
we're
using
federal
dollars,
and
it
seems
to
me
if
we
could
take
a
hard
look,
pay
me
at
which
dollars
we're
using
for
that
program.
If
we
could
use
the
federal
dollar
somewhere
else
and
use
some
other
non-federal
dollars
for
the
roof
rehab,
it
would
make
the
the
process
goes
smoother
a
little
more
flexible
and
not
have
those
all
those
boxes.
C
A
C
Can
and
look
for
other
sources
of
funds
in
addition
to
what
we
receive,
but
to
your
point,
there
are
more
requirements
when
you're
using
federal
dollars,
we
kind
of
work
through
and
improve
the
environmental
review
process
with
those
we
have
a
tiered
review
process.
Now
that
enables
us
to
move
those
faster,
but
I
think
it
still
comes
down,
especially
with
rehab
to
Capital,
because
we
are
servicing
folks
that
are
seniors
that
are
on
that
limited
income
that
you
mentioned,
and
sometimes
we
run
into
some
challenges
where
those
titles
are
a
little
bit
scary.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
going
back
to
the
Innovation.
You
know
we
really
found
that,
like.
B
You
know
that's
something
that
could
be
really
worth
some
about
how
to
how
to
get
to
those
things
before
they
become
so
bad
that
that
we're
having
to
use
all
sorts
of
resources
to
just
get.
You
know
probably
reasonable.
I
It'd
be
a
good
idea
to
try
to
survey
our
all
our
faith
groups,
all
our
non-profits
and
find
out
everybody
doing
any
kind
of
rehab
program
to
try
to
get
every
a
little
Summit,
get
everybody
in
one
room
and
try
to
get
a
little
more
Collective
effort
going
on
I
mean
I,
hear
about
these
groups.
I
I
call
them
sometimes
that
bring
in
you
know
it's
a
church
group
for
a
week
or
two
from
they
come
from
all
over
the
place
and
they
come
really
equipped
to
do
some
serious
work.
B
B
Info
I,
don't
think
Miss
Florence.
You
want
to
walk
everybody
through
the
new
Ami
data
foreign.
G
G
So
it
may
sound
like
a
lot,
but
really
you
have
an
overall
increase
in
rents
to
match
that
of
50
to
75
increase
in
rents,
so
the
rents
for
the
people
at
50,
Ami
went
up
from
803
to
851
and
well
those
at
65
of
the
area.
Median
income.
It
went
from
10
25
to
1086.,
for
those
at
80
percent,
went
up
from
12.85
to
13
61.25
so
and
that's
what
it
should
be.
G
What
it
actually
is
is
a
different
story,
so,
even
and
for
seniors
in
those
low-income
housing.
You
know
tax
credit
unions,
there's
you
know,
the
income
doesn't
increase
anything,
but
they
will
also
get
an
increase
in
rent
and
so
right
about
now
or
next
week.
I
would
get
like
lots
of
calls
saying
you
know
my
rent
went
off
and
you
know
some
of
them
have
to
move
because
they
really
can't
afford
it.
G
Audible
and
even
the
rent
staff
is
becoming
unaffordable.
Now
at
the
the
housing
authorities,
you
know
they
give
the
adjustments
for
the
utilities
and
the
seniors.
G
Even
because
now
there
used
to
be
the
80
where
at
80
of
the
area
median
income,
you
can
get
money
from
the
federal
Homeland
bank.
You
can
get
money
from
the
state
and
some
of
the
other
lenders,
but
now
you
jump
and
with
that
increase
you're
in
the
hundred
percent
or
the
120.
D
G
Immediate
income,
where
there's
no
additional
dollars,
except
for
cities
providing
and
I
know
it
looks
you
know
very
Bleak,
but
In
fairness
to
the
city,
I,
have
to
say
we're
the
only
ones
with
any
of
these
programs
up
and
making
running
and
making
a
difference
in
their
lives.
Our.
G
C
B
A
A
Increasing
globally
I,
don't.
B
What
percentage
of
that
is
just
it's
just
a
more
fluid
population
living
here,
but
that's
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
that
adds
our
population
grows
and
it's
attracting
more
so
more
affluent
people
that
is,
that
is
causing
that
very
immune
income
to
shift
up.
So
we're
that's,
not
necessarily.
H
I
Who
are
moving
here?
They
all
have
nice
pensions
or
you
know,
incomes,
and
it's
all
all
these
folks
coming
here
with
income
and
higher
paying
jobs
or
whatever
has
driven
up
Ami,
which
then,
when
they
adjust
and
annually
gives
it's
a
it's.
A
blanket
increase,
Florence
like
if
I
have
10
units
that
are
at
80
percent,
Ami
and
I
get
your
notice.
Then
I
can
go
ahead
and
raise
the
rent
on
those
10
units
right.
Yes,
so
it's
not
based
on
the
individual
income
of
that
tenant.
No,
it's
just
based
on
the
Ami!
I
So
so
you
know
we
want
people
to
make
more
money,
but
it's.
If
it's
not
the
right
people,
then
it
is
increase,
might
be
hurting
those
who
you
know
or
underemployed
or
on
fixed
income.
G
B
D
I
Understand
the
dynamic
of
this:
yes,
yes,
and
it
just
even
further
accentuates
the
the
whole
nature
of
the
problem
you
know
which
finally
I
think
the
business
Community
the
chamber
I
mean
everybody
seems
to
be
finally
getting
in
line
in
an
agreement
that
this
is
a
fundamental,
almost
crisis
for
our
region,
limiting
our
future
economic
growth,
the
the
issue
of
affordability
and
housing
I
mean
it.
I
I've
really
felt
it
over
the
last
four
or
five
years
in
the
on
the
business
Community
side
that
our
eyes
are
getting
open.
I
They're
waking
up,
you
know
we
got
to
do
something
so,
which
is
a
good
thing
and
actually
getting
them
to
do
something
in
Florence.
So
we're
not
the
only
you
know
doing
this,
we're
not
there
yet,
but
I
I.
I
B
All
right
well,
thank
you
so
much
everybody
for
being
here
today
and
thanks
for
the
folks
joining
online
or
watching
online
and.
B
Actually
take
the
summer
off
from
housing
stats,
so
we
actually
will
not
have
a
public
housing
set
meeting
again
until
September.
So
thanks
everybody
and
hope
everyone,
that's
great.
If
I
could
add
one.
I
More
thanks
to
everybody
being
here
and
being
a
part
of
this,
because
I
think
the
old
Paradigm,
even
in
the
city
was
oh.
This
is
Gianna's
problem,
Housing
and
Community
Development
and
the
whole
point
of
doing
housing.
Staff
like
this
is
the
part
of
the
awareness
is
that
it's
much
bigger
than
one
Department.
It's
really
a
collective
Community
issue
that
we
all
need
to
pull
together
on.
So
thank
you,
Tracy
for
your
leadership
and
just
the
housing
staff
part
of
it,
but
Kiana.