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Joint Meeting: License Committee and Public Safety Committee 9/6/2022
C
C
E
B
The
approval
of
the
august
25th
20
22
minutes.
Do
I
hear
a
motion
who
moved
and
properly
seconded
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
number
three
old
business
discussion
regarding
staffing
issues.
I
just
wanted
to
to
put
that
placeholder
there
so,
like.
D
Council
members,
I
think
that's
from
a
different
agenda.
This
is
the.
C
B
Let's,
let's
proceed
with
old
business,
the
ordinance
authorizing
the
mayor
to
repeal
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
and
I
think
we
turn
that
over
to
legal.
A
Mr
chairman,
though,
I
want
to
comment,
I
do
appreciate
it
your
single-mindedness
about
addressing
our
employees
and
their
salaries
for
next
year.
I
know
that's
where
you
were
heading,
but
that's
going
to
be
another
meeting.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
who's
going
to
take
the
lead.
F
Chairman
that'll,
be
me
thank
you,
hi
everyone,
meg
thompson,
I'm
the
director
of
business
and
neighborhood
services
for
the
city
of
charleston.
I've
been
kind
of
the
project
coordinator
for
this,
between
legal
cpd,
fire
and
and
planning
so
I'll,
be
leading
the
presentation
today.
F
F
F
There
obviously
is
a
concentration
of
this
permit
type
on
on
up
or
keying
in
the
central
business
district,
but
we
do
have
businesses
throughout
the
city
go
through
the
l
e
permit
process
back
in
2020.
With
the
code
pandemic,
there
was
some
increased
late
night
activity
that
led
us
to
reduce
some
rules
around
mobile
food
vending.
So
at
the
same
time,
we
looked
at
the
rules
governing
our
brick
and
mortar
establishments
that
operate
during
those
same
times.
F
Back
in
october
of
2021,
we
brought
some
of
those
proposed
changes
forward
to
council.
We
heard
pretty
clearly
from
the
community
that
we
needed
to
do
some
more
work
on
those.
So
earlier
this
year
a
staff
work
group
started
getting
to
work
on
that,
and
this
spring
and
summer
we've
been
doing
outreach
to
focus
groups,
our
restaurant
advisory
group,
and
then
we
also
had
a
big
public
meeting
to
to
share
that
with
anyone
who
wanted
to
attend.
F
F
G
If
you
know
the
answer
to
this
in
the
king
street,
what
we
call
late
night,
entertainment
district,
how
many
of
those
hundred
late
night
permits
are
there.
F
F
F
So,
based
on
the
feedback
we
got
last
time
we
came
to
council,
we
are
proposing
three
key
amendments
or
changes
to
the
ordinance
one
being
around
renewals.
Instead
of
a
one-year
renewal
cycle,
we
are
moving
it
up
to
a
two-year
renewal
cycle
and
also
please
note
that
the
language
on
these
slides
is
summary
language.
Please
look
at
the
ordinance
for
for
the
exact
language.
F
The
other
key
second
key
update
has
to
do
with
violations,
and
we
kind
of
wanted
to
preface
this
a
little
bit
by
saying
this
system
builds
in
time
for
staff
to
work
with
businesses,
have
discussions,
issue
notices
and
provide
a
correction
timeline
before
ever
moving
to
the
court
summons
steps
which
I'll
go
through
on
the
next
slide.
F
So
it's
kind
of
a
reminder
for
folks.
City
officials
can
issue
a
court
summons
at
any
time,
but
we
typically
only
do
that
for
a
significant
life
hazard
that
violates
code,
such
as
a
significant
overcrowding
incident
for
most
issues.
The
item
is
discussed
with
the
management
and
staff's
goal
is
really
educating
and
reminding
them
of
their
requirements.
F
During
that
time
period.
Re-Inspections
are
done
to
make
sure
that
there's
compliance
or
if
we
need
to
do
an
extension
because
getting
something
fixed
may
be
taking
a
little
longer
generally.
Only
after
a
failure
to
correct
a
situation
will
a
court
summons
be
issued,
and
I
do
have
fire
marshall
and
police
staff
on
the
call.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
about
that.
B
H
Up,
thank
you,
council
member.
I
am
minor
the
way
in
the
ordinance.
It
should
be
code
enforcement,
fire
marshal
or
police
officers.
I
don't
remember-
or
I
don't
see
where
it
says-
or
city
officials-
I
it
shouldn't
be
city
officials.
So
if
you
did
find
that
error,
I'm
reading
it
now
and
I'll
correct
that,
but
it
should
be
code
enforcement,
fire
marshal
and
police.
C
B
H
B
F
F
So
with
the
first
summons,
you
basically
just
get
a
remediation
meeting
where
we
talk
through
the
problem.
What
we
expect
you
to
do
to
correct
it
for
the
second
summons,
we
have
that
same
remediation
meeting,
but
there's
now
the
possibility
that
the
director
of
revenue
collections
may
issue
a
notice
saying
that
the
lne
permit
is
suspended
for
a
period
up
to
30
days
for
a
third
summons
that
goes
up
to
90
days
and
for
the
fourth
it
goes
up
to
a
year.
F
E
Yeah,
I
do
miss
jim,
we
got
three
strikes
up,
you
go
to
jail
for
life
come
on,
but
we
you
know,
we
go
four
times
I
mean
we
got
a
problem
person
with
an
audience.
F
H
I
was
going
to
say
I
think
it
was.
The
four
strikes
was
like
what
meg
said.
This
was
in
response
to
kind
of
the
concerns
from
council
before
with
the
types
of
violations
and
everything,
so
the
first
one
was
really
the
warning
and
then,
after
the
second
one
was
at
30
days.
The
third
one
was
up
to
the
90
days
and
then
the
fourth
was
the
closing.
H
So
it
does.
You
know.
30
days
is
a
hit.
That
is
a
pretty
pretty
strong
statement
that
the
city
would
be
making,
even
at
the
second
offense.
C
There's
there's
certainly-
and
we
made
this
very
clear,
there's
a
difference
between
the
issuance
of
a
permit
allowing
a
person
to
have
a
late
night,
ordinance
late
night
permit
versus
a
a
summons.
A
summons
means
that
we
believe
that
there's
reason
that
someone
has
violated
one
of
our
codes,
one
of
our
a
law-
that's
been
passed,
but
we
also
have
the
discretion.
This
is
laid
out
pretty
clearly
in
the
preamble
to
to
this
that
this
is
not
an
absolute
right
that
you
have
a
late
night
permit
to
operate
until
two
o'clock.
C
So
the
the
parallel
issues
going
on
with
this
one
is
the
renewal
process,
and
so,
if
we're
going
to
have
issue
this
permit
and
is
subject
to
renewal
within
a
for
two
years,
as
opposed
to
one
year
that
way,
they
keep
their
their
their
permit
for
that
two
year
period
of
time,
regardless
of
the
number
of
violations
that
they
may
or
may
not
have,
then
you
you've
got
this
issuance
of
a
summons,
which
is
a
little
bit
which
is
different
than
the
actual
permit
to
proceed
or
to
operate
until
two
o'clock,
and
just
because
of
someone
has
been
issued
doesn't
mean
the
person
has
been
convicted.
C
C
But
I
think
that
what
you're
hitting
on
is
this:
if
you've
got
three
violations
and
those
three
violations
happen
within
the
two-year
period
of
time
that
you've
got
your
your
permit,
they're
still
operating
and
while
you
may
be
able
to
suspend
them
for
it
for
90
days
or
so
they're
still
operating
within
that
that
time
frame
up
to
90
days
and,
quite
frankly,
the
the
ordinance
and
the
penalties
that
we
can
impose
on
somebody
or
our
organization
is
going
to
be
miniscule
to
the
penalty
of
suspending
their
their
permit
because
they
can
come
in
and
pay
a
fine
we're
limited
to
how
much
that
fine
can
can
be,
but
but
suspending
their
permit
is
where
you
hit
them
in
the
wall
at
the
hardest.
C
With
that,
so
I'm
gonna
follow
the
suggestion
of
councilmember
wearing
and
why
don't?
We
just
eliminate
the
emerge,
the
fourth
issuance
and
make
it
a
one-year
revoke
of
a
late
night
establishment
permit
after
the
third
time
I
mean
you,
get
a
you,
get
a
warning
number
one.
You
get
a
warning
to
remediate
the
problem,
so
you
talk
about
the
fifth
time
that
the
issues
come
to
our
to
the
city's
attention,
but
really
the
fourth
issuance
of
a
municipal
ordinance
is
the
fifth
time
you've
got
an
intervention
by
city
staff
at
some
level.
C
So
if
you
give
them
a
warning
the
first
time
and
then
that
doesn't
work,
then
you
issue
a
summons
all
you're
telling
them
to
do.
You
have
a
remediation
meeting
with
that.
Then
the
second
time
you
got
a
30-day
suspension.
Third
time,
a
90-day
suspension,
until
so
by
the
fifth
violation
which
is
going
on,
is
not
when
you
revoke
it
for
a
year
a
year.
B
If
I
may,
I
mean
the
number
two
is
a
may:
it's
not
a
shall
I
mean
you
may
be
able
to
get
by
that
30-day
basis
based
upon
what
the
revel
rev
director
revenue
collections
determined.
B
B
H
Correct
it
gave
the
staff
more
discretion
to
be
lenient
if
it
was
the
situation
that
deserved
leniency
or
to
maximize
punishment
for
something
that
was
a
more
egregious
offense.
B
E
Well,
let
me
ask
this:
if,
if
I'm
a
bad
actor-
and
you
know
I'm
making
money
doing
all
this
nefarious
stuff
councilman,
she
ate
I'm
in
your
ball
field
now.
But
if
I
hired
a
lawyer,
how
long
could
I
appeal
dragged
us
out.
C
So
from
a
practical
standpoint,
councilmember
waring
municipal
court
is
the
lowest
level
of
court
in
in
the
state
of
south
carolina.
C
So
if
I've
got
a,
if
I'm
a
lawyer
representing
a
a
person
issued
a
summers
or
institutional
summons,
you
can
delay
this
for
a
period
of
time,
a
significant
period
of
time
over
over
a
year
easy
indeed,
and
so,
if
we're
trying
to
address
a
serious
issue
that
is
percolating
out
on
on.
C
It's
going
to
be
delayed
a
significant
period
of
time
that,
and
that's
why
I
think
your
point
is
is
right,
is
important
to
consider.
We
may
be
in
the
two-year
time
frame
before
the
summit
has
gone
in
front
of
a
judge
and
it's
resolved.
H
If
I
may,
the
the
way
that
this
would
work
is,
it
would
be
based
off
of
the
summons
and
not
the
convictions.
So
what
would
happen
say
for
a
second
offense
that
was
egregious?
H
The
director
of
revenue
collections
would
issue
the
potential
suspension
letter.
If
you
read
to
the
the
next
section,
17
131,
where
it
goes
over
the
hearing,
the
permits.
What
would
happen
after
that
potential
suspension
letter
was
issued,
the
offending
business
does
have
it
that
chance.
The
position
to
appeal.
H
That's
all,
that's
where
they
would
essentially
get
an
attorney
in
the
position
to
appeal
that
suspension.
So
this
is
trying
to
allow
staff
and
our
law
enforcement
and
fire
marshals
to
be
able
to
have
a
mechanism
to
better
approach,
any
sort
of
factors
in
the
late
night,
entertainment.
C
Mr
chairman,
I
think
that
we're
kind
of
fooling
ourselves
with
that.
Let
me
explain
why.
If
we're
trying
to
get
someone's
attention
on
this
and
they're
a
bad
actor,
you
we're
giving
staff,
which
may
be
the
right
way
of
doing
it,
a
lot
of
discretion
on
what
they
they
can
and
can't
do.
C
When
you
read
a
b
c
and
d
this,
it
says
the
director
of
revenue
collections
made
in
his
or
her
discretion
after
considering
the
facts,
and
then
that
is
also
repeated
in
c
as
well,
and
so,
if
you
want
to
use
a
hammer
on
this
thing,
they're
going
to
get
a
lawyer
from
the
very
beginning
part
of
all
this.
I
can't
imagine
any
organization
not
immediately
trying
to
to
summons
an
attorney
to
help
them
with
this
because
you're
talking
about
their
livelihood.
C
This
is
their
business
and
what
we're
attacking
here
and
these
things
are
something
that
we
need
to
be
addressing
on
an
immediate,
immediate
basis.
Now
I
don't
think
this
ordinance,
no
matter
how
tight
we
make.
This
is
going
to
address
what
happened
over
the
weekend
from
what
I
understand
took
place
over
the
weekend.
C
With
with
that
shooting
this
is
a
different
type
of
animal
that
we're
dealing
with
over
here,
but
if
we
want
to
add
a
lot
of
teeth
to
this
and
address
an
issue
more
immediately,
councilmember
lawrence
point
is
something
we
need
to
seriously
consider
and
and
bump
this
up
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
more
and
mallory
is
correct.
This
is
not
a
question
of
whether
or
not
a
person
has
been
convicted
or
not
convicted
or
the
institution
has
been
convicted
and
not
convicted.
C
It's
just
the
issues
of
the
summons
is
what
is
what's
being
addressed
here,
but
still
you've,
given
the
revenue
director
a
lot
of
leeway
and
using
their
discretion
of
how
to
address
the
second
or
third,
via
sum,
is
being
issued
within
the
two
year
period
of
time.
C
If
we
want
to
make
this
more,
you
know
there's
some
things
that
we
do
in
order
says,
and
we've
said
this
quite
regularly
that
the
idea
here
is
is
not
to
create
a
punishment,
is
to
create
adherence
to
the
spirit
and
the
intent
of
of
the
ordinance
on
the
on
the
flip
side
of
this.
C
Because
we're
talking
about
safety
issues
here
that
that
we're
dealing
with
serious
safety
issues
with
the
number
of
occupants
in
an
establishment
and
from
the
violence
that
we've
been
seeing
on
the
streets
so
far?.
B
Thank
you
because
I
can't
see
it
in
that
order.
Please
accomplish
thousands.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
isn't
aren't
these
the
exact
changes
that
we
asked
for
when
we
debated
this
at
the
last
regular
council
meeting.
H
Oh
sorry,
I
was
just
gonna
say
my
recollection
of
the
last
council
meeting
is
we
did
have
a
two
strikes
and
you're
out,
and
that
was
my
takeaway
is
that
was
too
harsh.
J
Okay,
I
and
I
agree
someone
feel
like
I'm
getting
like
whiplash
going
going
back
and
forth
here,
but
you
know
to
me
this
graduated
system
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
mean
this
is
exactly
how
you
know:
drug
laws,
work
and
domestic
violence
and
other
types
of
crimes.
J
So
this
this
seems
like
a
reasonable
way
to
treat
this
if
we
escalate
the
ability
to
pull
this
on
the
to
pull
somebody's
late
night
entertainment
permit
on
this
on
the
second
or
third
violation
that
I
think
we
start
increasing,
that
risk
of
litigation,
whereas
what
we,
what
we
want
to
do
is
bring
these
businesses
into
compliance,
which
I
think
is
something
I
just
heard
and
that
would
that
would
be
the
goal
I
mean
this
is
going
to
cost
them
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
to
lose
this
thing
even
for
30
days,
and
I
think
that's
the
that's.
J
What
staff
wants
here
that
that
kind
of
not
getting
from
you
know,
businesses
now
factoring
in
the
fines
they're
getting
from
the
courts
as
basically
the
cost
of
doing
business.
B
A
So,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
mallory,
if
I
may,
and
that
you
discussed
this
on
the
previous
slide,
I
think
the
emergency
temporary
suspension
and
I'm
looking
at
section,
17
129
that
says
an
emergency
suspension-
may
be
invoked
if
a
situation
arises
as
determined
by
a
fire
marshal
a
police
officer
or
code
enforcement
officer
to
require
immediate
action
to
eliminate
a
situation
that
poses
imminent
threat
to
persons
or
property,
to
preserve
the
public,
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
the
public,
or
to
restore
public
peace
and
order.
A
So
isn't
it
correct
that
an
emergency
suspension
can
be
given
under
those
circumstances
that
would
prevail
over
the
the
operator
from
hiring
an
attorney
and
going
to
court?
I
mean
we
can
shut
people
down
by
this
ordinance
if
there's
an
imminent
threat
to
persons
or
property.
Isn't
that
correct
only
for
a
day
only
or
a
day
right.
A
If
the
condition
continues
to
exist,
could
we
not
close
it
the
next
day
or
can
we,
you
know,
maybe
amend
that
to
where,
until
that
condition
is,
is
restored
or
or
or
satisfied
that
that
the
imminent
threat
still
exists?
That
could
continue.
H
We
would
reserve
the
right
to
immediately
seek
to
suspend
or
revoke
such
l
e
permit
under
this
ordinance,
but
it
would
have
to
be
a
very
severe
threshold.
There
would
need
to
be
an
incident.
You
know
related
to
great
bodily
harm
or
loss
of
life
or
significant
property
damage,
and
so
this
is
to
make
it
a
very
high
threshold
for
us
for
an
emergency.
You
know
to
warrant
an
emergency
situation
for
a
business
to
shut
down.
A
But
that
provision
exists
and
so
back
to
councilmember
bowden's
point.
I
think
these
violations,
this
key
update,
number
two
refers
to
items
that
are,
you
know,
more
everyday
operational
in
a
way
and
not
imminent
threats
and-
and
hence
the
intent
here
is
to
to
to
get
folks
to
correct,
and
you
know
correct
any
bad
actions
that
are
going
on.
It's
it's
not
really
intended
to
be
punitive.
It's
like
most
of
our
livability
ordinances.
A
We
want
people
just
to
to
get
it
right,
so
I
mean
don't
get
me
wrong
if
you
all
want
to
make
it
three
strikes
rather
than
four.
I
think
that's
the
the
pleasure
of
of
of
counsel
and
and
this
committee
for
recommendation,
but
I
don't
want
to
lose
the
site
that
this
construct
that
we
have
before
us
is
has
more
teeth
to
it
than
what
we
have
now,
which
is
going
through
the
business
license
route
this
this.
This
gets
us
more
attention
from
from
a
bad
operator
than
what
we
have
now.
B
May
I
hear
you,
but
when
you
make
an
example,
if
you,
if
you
make
an
example
of
the
first
one,
okay,
the
others
will
follow,
because
the
word
will
get
out
that
that
we're
not
soft
pedaling
here
we're
pretty
serious
about
public
safety.
You
know
just
to
point
that
once
you,
if
you
get
one
and
you
get
one
real
good
without
going
through
all
these
four
steps,
I
don't
know
and
the
others
will
follow,
but
if
we
make
it
kind
of
soft
okay.
C
C
And
and
that,
and
that
was
sort
of
a
set
up
question
for
them
to
answer
mayor,
because
this
is
the
problem,
this
ordinance
is
addressed
to
to
look
at
crowd,
control
type
issue
scenarios.
C
C
C
To
give
this
thing,
some
real
teeth
to
get
the
word
out
to
your
point,
councilor
mcgregory,
is
that
you
start
off
with
in
with
this
and
make
an
example
out
of
the
first
couple.
Others
will
fall
online
to
see
that
we're
serious
about
doing
this,
and
and
that's,
I
think,
how
the
sort
of
instruction
this
conversation
started
with
councilman
waring's
point
is
that
you've
got
to
be
serious
about
this,
and
you've
got
to
be
somewhat
punitive
about
it.
There's
certain
things.
C
I
know
that
they
may
violate
that
there's
a
technical
violation
or
I
didn't
comply
with
something
that
I
was
supposed
to
supply
to
the
city.
But
most
of
this
stuff
is
going
to
be
the
issues
of
the
overcrowding
part
of
it,
and
I
think
that
we
we
need
to
send
a
very
clear
and
strong
message
as
to
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
which
is
to
make
sure
that
our
cities
and
our
streets
are
safe.
And
this
is
one
way
of
doing
that.
J
So
and
that
that
I
think
is
a
is
a
well
we
need
to.
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
if
we're
talking
about
whether
these
are
you
know
real,
harsh
or
or
too
lenient
that
we're
taking
into
account
the
view
of
the
of
the
business
owners,
because
councilman
sacrament
made
a
really
good
point
when
we
were
talking
about
this
at
the
last
council
meeting
that
you
know
these
we're
issuing
these
licenses
to
businesses,
because
we
want
the
revenue
that
they're
producing
we
we
want
them
to
be
in
business.
J
You
know
we
want
them
to
be
providing
things
to
people
in
our
city
and
and
we
shouldn't
be
villainizing
them.
You
know
that
they
need
to
be
popped
with
this
real
harsh
penalty,
because
I
don't,
I
think,
for
the
most
part.
That's
it's
not
true
that
they
do,
but
I
I
just,
I
think,
we're
sort
of
skipping
over
that
a
30-day
suspension
of
this
license
is
going
to
I
mean
I
don't
even
have
a
concept
of
how
much
it
would
cost
them,
but
I'm
sure
they
do.
I
Greetings-
I
just
I
just
want
to
echo
what
already
has
been
said
and
to
council
member
bowden's
point
this.
This
is
to
support
the
business
community
to
create
a
safe
culture
that
is
supporting
their
commerce,
that
is
supporting
their
customers.
That
is
supporting
the
environment
that
we
want
downtown
that
is
safe
for
everybody
to
participate
in.
I
There
are
businesses
that
came
to
us
that
initiated
this
project,
business
owners
who
said
hey,
there's
some
people
that
are
bad
actors
that
are
not
doing
their
their
share
in
terms
of
being
responsible
business
owners
and
they
came
to
us
and
meg
as
our
lead
created
a
pretty
substantial
committee.
I
think
meg
you
guys
have
been
meeting
over
a
year
now
and
and
got
input
from
everybody.
So
there's
nothing
random
about
this.
I
This
has
included
input
from
many
members
of
the
business
community,
and
this
is
designed
to
help
those
businesses
to
put
so
much
time
and
energy,
and
so
many
resources
and
funding
and
fiscal
capacity
to
do
it
right
and
they're
impacted
negatively
by
those
that
those
couple,
literally
it's
a
very
small
number,
but
those
that
are
down
there
at
night
can
probably
name
those
businesses.
I
I
won't
do
that
right
now,
but
in
the
future,
when
this
is
passed,
we
will
be
naming
those
businesses,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
there's
a
couple
businesses
that
have
no
interest
in
doing
things
right.
They
have
no
interest
in
obeying
the
occupancy
permit.
They
don't
even
want
to
close
at
night
on
time.
They
don't
want
to
adhere
to
a
noise
issues
and
be
responsible
neighbors.
I
They
don't
do
anything
to
monitor
their
lines
out
front
they're,
doing
things
that
are
tracked
in
underage
drinkers
during
things
that
are
attracting
gang
members,
they're
doing
things
that
are
attracting
all
kinds
of
people
that
we
don't
want
and
we
don't
need
that
are
causing
problems
in
our
business
district
and
it's
harming
our
businesses
and-
and
I
would
say
what
happened
this
weekend
in
an
ancillary
way.
All
these
things
are
a
part
of
the
problem-solving
effort
to
get
the
the
environment,
the
atmosphere
that
we
want
downtown.
I
But
I
will
tell
you
that
it
needs
to
have
teeth
and
there
needs
to
be
the
ability,
as
I
think
councilmember
gregory
said
correctly-
to
hold
those
accountable
who
don't
really
care
about
anybody,
but
themselves
and
they're,
creating
problems
and
it's
contributing
to
an
environment
down
there
that
we
want
to
change
and
we
will
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
to
make
sure
that
we
have
better
outcomes.
I
But
I
will
tell
you
speaking
for
the
police
department
at
least
we
are
not
looking
at
targeting
responsible
businesses
that
had
some
minor
infraction
or
some
little
thing
and
going
after
him
and
trying
to
shut
him
down.
We
will
never
do
that.
I
You
can
put
me
on
the
record
for
that,
but
I
will
tell
you
for
those
people
that
are
causing
problems
that
are
not
adhering
to
the
just
responsible
business
practices
that
are
substantially
contributing
to
the
issues
that
we
have
they're
gonna
hear
from
us,
and
this
is
a
tool
that
we
will
use
and
the
mayor
has
made
it
very
clear
that
he
wants
us
to
have
tools.
The
council
has,
I
think,
everybody's
in
agreement.
I
Whatever
this
ends
up
being
passed
as
it
needs
to
have
some
teeth
and
it
we
actually
need
to
be
very
responsible,
there's
ways
of
correcting
us
if
we
don't
implement
this
correctly.
If
we
abuse
this,
if
we
don't
do
a
good
job
with
this,
I
don't
think
it'll
be
hard
for
the
council
to
come
back
and
vote
it
out
and
change
it
and
modify
it
if
necessary.
But
I
will
tell
you
when
we
finish
this
lne.
I
It
needs
to
have
some
teeth
and
some
meaningful
outcome
so
that
we
can
hold
people
accountable
and-
and
I
and
to
answer
some
of
the
question
I
think
earlier.
What
are
the
violations
we're?
Having
we've
had
people
literally
told
you're
violating
the
occupancy
permit
and
come
back
a
couple
hours
later,
and
they
have
a
handwritten
note
saying
what
their
occupancy
permit
is
completely
different
than
what
is
issued
and
what
was
written
and
what
was
what
they
were
being
held
accountable
to
and
and
that's
just
not,
okay
and
and
it's
creating.
I
I
can
tell
you
problems
and
those
are
things
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
effectively
address,
but
I
will
tell
you
99
or
98
of
the
businesses,
I
believe,
have
put
great
effort
into
being
safe
and
responsible
doing
things
right.
Those
are
not
the
businesses
we're
talking
about
here.
E
E
That's
why
I
want
to
look
at
it
from
a
devil's
advocate
position
such
that,
if
I
were
a
bad
actor,
how
could
I
drag
this
thing
out
and
instead,
if
there's
anything
from
a
legal
standpoint
that
helps
to
prevent
that,
for
example,
if
my
license
is
suspended
by
a
you
know
about
a
person
in
the
revenue
collection,
is
that
something
that
can
be
stayed
by
a
court
until
they
get
in
front
of
a
court
or
because
does
out
do
we
need
to
do
anything
to
strengthen?
E
K
E
Out
there,
but
those
are
the
guys,
that's
going
to
go
down
and
hire
the
lawyers,
and
I
would
think
stretch
it
out.
So
if
we
looked
at
it
or
if
you
looked
at
it
from
that
and
then
you
know,
we
got
a
number
of
attorneys
on
council.
We
looked
at
it
from
that
angle.
B
I
mean
if
you,
if,
if
I
may
I
mean
if
you
go
back
to
the
two
strike
option,
which
was
in
the
initial
draft,
okay
and
kind
of,
has
a
little
more
teeth
to
me
and
you
get
to
the
result
fairly
quickly.
E
I
guess
from
the
attorney's
standpoint:
it's
I'm
speaking
out
of
tournaments.
If
I
can
follow
up
when
this
director
revenue
collection
makes
that
decision.
You
know
to
suspend
for
30
days
in
this
example.
E
H
They're
giving
they're
given
10
days
notice
of
the
potential
suspension
and
then
they
do
have
the
right
to
appeal.
The
appeal
should
happen
within
essentially
45
days
and
that's
what
goes
to
the
business
license
to
committee
back
to
you
all
to
for
any
determination
if
they
appeal
so
there.
E
Me-
and
that
particular
thing
that
you
may
mention
goes
back
to
us
within
45
days-
is
that
something
we
can
shorten
by
having
a
call
meeting
and
meeting
them.
If
it's
that
bad,
why
we
gotta
wait
45
days.
H
We
could
shorten
it,
I
mean
we
would
need
to.
We
could
shorten
it.
We
would
also
in
terms
of
scheduling,
but
also
they
would
need
time
to
you
know
if
they
have
counsel
to
schedule,
but
we
could
shorten
that
easily
to
30
days.
If
this
is
what
the
committee
would
like.
C
I'm
sorry,
I
have
another
question,
but
when
we're
talking
about
the
suspension
of
a
permit,
we're
just
suspending
the
permit
to
operate
between
the
hours
of
twelve
and
two
o'clock
correct,
we're,
not
shutting
the
business
down
now,
and
I-
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
these
businesses
probably
make
a
good
chunk
of
their
money
in
that
12
to
2
o'clock
time
range,
but
we're
not
we're
not
shutting
down
a
business
and
knocking
them
out
of
operation,
we're
just
preventing
them
from
operating
until
two
o'clock
in
the
morning,
and
if
you
took
everything
that
the
chief
said
about
giving
teeth
to
this
thing,
then
what
we're
getting
we're,
sending
them
a
mixed
message
with
this
we're
telling
them
you've
got.
C
B
I
I
just
I
just
generally
have
a
problem
second-guessing
the
folks
who
are
in
the
field
implementing,
and
you
know
I
think
for
me
what
the
chief
says
works
is
what
I
will
support
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
the
initial
draft
that
went
forward
was
something
that
was
supportable
by
the
implementers,
but
I
think
it
was
council
who
decided
that
changes
needed
to
be
made
so
now.
For
me,
it's
it's
kind
of
confusing.
B
B
Okay,
meg.
F
Sure
so
I
I
don't
know
that
I
feel
comfortable
speaking
for
all
his
staff,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
on
this
point.
We
are
comfortable
with
any
tweaks.
You
all
want
to
make
to
this.
So
if
the
first
version
was
too
strong
and
this
version
is
too
lenient,
if
there's
somewhere
in
the
middle,
you
would
like
us
to
go.
I
think
we're
happy
to
do
that,
so
we're
open
to
recommendations
on
that
front.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
all
that
if
someone
has
egregious
enough
violations
of
city
laws
and
ordinances
that
we
can
threaten
and
then
take
them
to
business,
license
committee
and
take
away
their
business
license
by
declaring
them
a
public
nuisance,
we're
not
taking
that
ability
tool
out
of
the
toolbox.
A
This
is
adding
another
tool,
understanding
that
from
what
I
understand
all
of
these
operators,
where
they
make
their
money
is
from
12
to
2
o'clock
and
and
this
this
is
a
tool,
that's
a
little
easier
to
implement
to
to
to
get
results
and
better
outcomes.
So
I
would
re
respectfully
listening
to
you
all,
be
happy
to
recommend
or
move
that
we
amend
this
to
have
the
second
issuance
to
be
for
a
period
up
to
90
days.
A
Up
to
still,
there
would
be
some
discretion
based
upon
the
circumstance
and
the
third
issuance
be
for
up
to
a
period
of
a
year
and
just
make
it
make
it
three
issuances
of
the
mandatory
remediation,
the
second
time,
a
mandatory
remediation
and
a
notice
up
to
90
days
and
then
the
third
time
up
to
a
year.
How
would
that
be.
D
Mr
chairman,
councilmember
mitchell
had
his
hand
up
and
chief
de
lazada.
L
Would
listen
to
the
let
the
chief
go
first,
okay,.
B
K
Hey
good
afternoon,
I'd
like
to
just
let
you
know,
we
do
agree
with
chief
reynolds
stance
on
this.
We
believe
that
we
need
to
make
these
changes.
We
need
the
t
to
be
able
to
make
something
happen.
It's
very
important
to
recognize
that
people
who
are
complying
with
the
ordinance
they're
complying
with
the
the
security
plan
that
is
developed
in
the
ordinance.
K
I
don't
expect
we're
going
to
have
problems
with
those
folks,
it's
the
few
that
refuse
to
comply,
and
we
need
to
have
a
very
clear,
definitive
approach
on
how
we're
going
to
handle
them,
and
this
gives
us
a
much
better
path.
So,
as
we've
discussed
in
the
past
the
that
ability
to
operate
between
those
hours,
this
is
really
about
the
permit
and
it's
the
permit
that
gives
you
the
privilege
to
serve
between
12
and
2..
K
So
it's
not
a
question
of
how
egregious
a
violation
is
or
is
not
it's
a
question
of
whether
they
maintain
compliance
with
the
permit
application
conditions,
which
is
this
entire
ordinance.
So
it's
very
important
to
keep
that
in
perspective.
That
was
just
mentioned
that,
just
because
the
l
e
permit
is
suspended,
that
doesn't
mean
their
normal
business
hours
are
suspended.
L
All
right:
okay,
that's,
okay!
I
agree
with
both
of
the
sheeps
on
that.
I
think
if
we
gonna
do
something,
we
need
to
just
do
it
and
make
it
correct,
because
something
needs
to
be
done
and,
like
I
said,
tell
people
I
live
on
king
street
and
I
go
down
in
that
area
and
and
we
need
to
have
something
done-
I
mean
it's
for
safetyness
for
everyone
and
we're
talking
between
12
and
2..
You
know
if
they
cannot
get
things
straight
between
that
time
and
then
so
that
something
have
to
be
done.
L
I
think
it's
a
privilege
that
we
have
now
that
they
have
they
can
operate
between
12
and
2..
So
if
they
don't,
if
they
can't
abide
by
whatever
we
put
in
place
to
keep
everyone
safe
for
safetyness,
then
they
should
lose
it.
So
we
have
to
be
stringent
on
these
things
and
we
have
to
make
decisions
and
make
these
decisions.
That's
going
to
be
correct
and
we
need
to
stop
throwing
it
around
back
and
forth.
L
Whatever
we're
going
to
do,
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
do
it
and
get
it
over
with
you
know
and
start
dragging
it
out
for
so
long
and
having
these
meetings
back
and
forth
back
and
forth,
do
it
so
people
think
we're
just
playing
they
figure
that
we
don't
know
what
we're
doing
so.
We
need
to
put
something
in
place.
L
That's
going
to
be
stringent
and
let
them
know
that
we
are
very
serious
about
what's
happening
on
king
street
and
if
they
have
this
privilege
to
have
to
be
open
from
12
or
2,
they
can
do
it
if
they
follow
the
rules
and
regulations.
If
not,
then
they
have
to
close
at
12
o'clock
and
abide
by
the
ordinance.
L
That's
in
place,
it's
just
a
privilege
to
me
that's
to
be
able
that
they
can
be
a
movement
from
12
to
2
right
now,
it's
not
like
it
was
like,
I
said,
gregory
and
keith,
and
I
we've
been
growing
up.
It
was
really
different.
It's
still
up
till
four
or
five
o'clock
in
the
morning,
but
it
was
a
little
different.
The
way
things
are
happening
now
and
if
you
go
down
there
on
the
weekend-
and
I
know
constable
seeking
is
always
down
there-
man
you
have,
you
might
have
a
million
people
down
there.
L
So
far
is
concerned,
I
mean
speaking
out
of
the
place,
but
there's
a
whole
lot
of
people
down
there.
I
don't
even
go
down
there
anymore.
You
see
that
way.
I
try
to
dodge
that
area.
You
know
because
the
way
they're
walking
across
the
street
they'll
abide
by
anything.
They
abide
by
any
safety
rules
or
anything
like
this,
and
you
don't
want
to
be
able
to
hurt
anyone
going
down
there.
L
So
I
don't
even
drive
my
car
go
down
in
that
area,
so
we
need
to
put
something
in
place
and
that
people
know
that
we
are
serious
about
safetyness
in
that
particular
area.
And
if
you
gonna
not
abide
by
what
we
have
in
place,
then
you
have
the
consequences
going
to
be
on
you
and
that's
really,
I
have
to
say,
councilman
seeking.
G
G
G
G
If
we're
going
to
institute
an
ordinance
that
looks
specifically
only
at
these
two
hours,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
paragraph
two,
the
very
first
line,
the
very
first
sentence,
which
says
in
addition
to
the
issuance
of
a
municipal
ordinance
summons
for
any
violation
of
city
code
or
state
laws.
I
think
it
should
say
of
this
ordinance
or
the
late
night
plan
that
is
submitted
to
the
city,
because
any
violation
of
a
city
code
or
a
state
law
is
very
broad.
G
I
mean
it
could
be
just
about
anything,
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
this
is
focused
on
what
we're
trying
to
remedy
through
this
ordinance
and
we're
not
going
to
remedy
what
happened
on
saturday
night
through
this
ordinance.
This
isn't
going
to
make
our
streets
as
safe
as
they
can
be.
We
need
to
do
some
other
things.
G
We've
got
some
other
tools
in
our
toolbox,
but
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
that
mike
delazada
and
chief
reynolds,
when
they
see
violations
of
the
late
night
ordinance
and
the
requirements
that
we
put
out
there
have
the
tools
to
do
the
many
things
that
this
ordinance
will
do.
If
we
get
it
right,
which
is
to
shut
down
egregious
operators
for
violations
that
are
occurring
in
real
time
to
bring
summonses
to
the
fore,
but
to
just
say
for
any
violation
of
any
state
law
or
any
city
ordinance.
G
I
think
the
business
license
ordinance
needs
to
be
looked
at
in
conjunction
with
this,
but
we're
pretty
broad
on
this,
and
I
I
just
don't
think
that
we
need
to
be
that
broad
and
I
would
recommend
we
make
that
change
if
we're
going
to
put
two
strikes
or
three
strikes
in
that's
fine,
but
make
sure
we
know
what
field
they're
playing
on
and
the
field
should
be,
this
very
ordinance
and
the
plans
that
they
put
in
in
order
to
get
that
to
our
privilege.
G
A
Yeah,
the
the
motion
was
to
that
this
key
update
number
two
would
include
just
three
issuances
of
municipal
ordinance
summons
the
second
one.
B
Okay,
I
second
any
discussion,
if
not
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye.
A
B
F
Thank
you
all
right.
The
final
change
we
made
was
to
the
appeals
process
and
the
previous
version
appeals
were
handled
through
a
hearing
officer
the
feedback
we
got
that
y'all
would
prefer
that
this
go
through
the
business
license
committee.
So
how
this
will
work
and
mallory's
already
touched
on
some
of
this.
The
director
of
revenue
collections
will
issue
a
written
notice
of
intent
to
deny
suspend
or
revoke
an
l
e
permit.
F
F
J
So
if
they
request
a
hearing
within
those
10
days
that
the
suspension
does
not
go
into
effect
until
after
that,
here
is
that
right.
E
B
F
And
then
there
has
been
some
discussion
about
id
scanners
and
I
know
roy
neal
came
and
demonstrated
the
use
of
one
at
the
city
council
meeting.
So
I
wanted
to
touch
on
that
first,
and
this
has
kind
of
been
brought
up
already.
All
the
security
requirements
are
tied
to
the
security
plan
that
they
provide
as
part
of
their
permit
application.
F
Currently,
the
ordinance
does
not
require
them,
but
they
are
encouraged
to
be
in
that
initial
security
plan.
However,
if
they
go
to
one
of
the
remediation
meetings
that
can
be
made
required
if
necessary-
and
I
do
want
to
mention
that
roy
has
been
following
up
with
intellicheck
about
his
pilot
program-
so
we're
researching
that
and
hopefully
we'll
have
more
to
share
soon.
F
E
This
is
on
something
else,
not
the
audience,
but
do
we
know
how
many,
how
many
you
know
late
night
permits
we've
issued?
I
don't
know
how
many
did
we
have
five
years
ago
and
how
many
we
have
now
I
mean,
and
what's
the
concentration
in
particular.
F
So
about
a
hundred
l
e
permits
have
been
issued
since
the
original
ordinance
was
passed
in
2013.
about
30
of
those
are
concentrated
on
on
the
upper
keying
late
night
area.
E
And
I'm
just
wondering
not
to
be
answered
today,
whether
that
ordinance
should
be
revisited
from
a
concentration
standpoint.
I
mean,
would
not
be
better
to
have
some
of
this
stuff
spread
out,
as
opposed
to
you
know
how
many
of
them
we
have
between
the
blockage
of
john
and
spring
between
those
blocks.
So
anyway,
you
know.
F
So
we
actually
do
have
something
that
does
address
that
it's
in
the
zoning
special
exception
that
looks
at
a
concentration
of
late
night,
if
you're
within
500
feet
of
a
residentially
zoned
district,
you
have
to
go
through
that
special
exception
before
you
can
even
be
considered
for
this
operational
permit.
I
could
have
mr
batchelder
go
into
more
detail
on
that.
No.
F
We
do
we
do
I
I
again,
I
I
can't
speak
to
those
details,
but
the
zoning
ordinance
does
address
that.
C
C
B
F
It's
right
before
17
127.
C
And-
and
I
had
asked
before,
we
discussed
this
at
the
previous
council
meeting
about
the
real
teeth
in
all.
This
is
that
if
they
are
in
constant
violation
losing
their
abc
license,
and
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
main
teeth
in
all
this
is
getting
them
reported
to
the
state
department
of
revenue,
which
I
think
would
govern
the
issues
of
an
alcohol
serving
license.
B
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
that
councilman
speaking
god,
instead
of
making
that
sausage
on
the
floor
councilman
seeking,
I
actually
kind
of
like
the
idea
of
the
amendment,
if
you
would
maybe
our
staff
could
work
on
it
before
getting
to
the
floor
I'll.
G
E
B
Sure
bye,
thank
you,
councilman
mary.
Do
I
hear
emotion.
A
We
just
made
one
amendment
to
it:
I'll
move
that
we
recommend,
as
amended,
to
counsel.
B
Oh,
thank
you
back
on
the
agenda.
Any
new
business.