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City of Charleston License Committee 8/4/2022
B
B
B
Okay,
we're
we
we're
on
item
two
approval
of
the
october
19
2021
minutes.
My
hair
motion
move
for
proof
right
here.
Second,
second
moved
and
properly
seconded
all
in
favor,
say
I
I
I
is
there
any
openness
to
come
before
the
committee,
if
not
we'll,
move
on
to
new
business
and
we'll
have
our
legal,
our
our
budget
staff,
to
discuss
the
amendments
to
the
ordinance.
D
D
Well-
and
I
say
that,
but
I
do
want
to
be
very
clear
while
I'm
setting
up
my
screen
here,
that
this
was
a
cross-departmental
collaborative
effort.
So
I
I'm
going
to
emcee
and
lead
because
we
were
kind
of
the
project
coordinators,
but
I'm
going
to
be
calling
on
our
legal
staff,
deputy
chief
thompson
and
deputy
fire
marshal
chief
jalazada
to
help
me
as
needed
to
to
get
through
this
presentation.
B
D
There
we
go
okay,
so,
like
I
said
this
is
going
to
be
some
proposed
amendments
and
updates
to
our
late
night
establishment
regulations
just
as
a
refresher,
because
it's
been
a
while.
This
ordinance
was
actually
originally
passed
back
in
2013.
So
it
was
probably
due
for
for
a
review
anyway.
But
then,
as
you
know,
2020
happened
and,
and
all
that
came
with
that-
and
we
did
do
some
changes
as
a
result
of
that
regarding
mobile
food
vending
late
night
in
the
central
business
district.
D
E
Thank
you,
meg
real
briefly
I'll.
Just
say
that
this
new
proposed
ordinance
is
is
fair
and
our
sampling
of
the
business
owners
late
night
ordinance,
business
owners
has
been
overall
positive.
We've
received
some
really
good
feedback
and
we've
made
some
changes
on
that.
But
all
this
is
for
public
safety.
We
we
went
line
by
line
multiple
days.
Multiple
calls
making
sure
that
one
we
were
going
to
produce
a
really
good
public
safety
product,
but
also
to
be
fair
to
our
business
owners
and
to
provide
a
safe
environment
for
our
tourism
and
our
citizens.
E
B
B
B
D
That
there's
no
change
in
hours
of
operation,
okay,
but
what
I
am
going
to
do.
I
will
go
through
what
the
major
big
changes
are
and
kind
of
walk
you
guys
through
that.
But
I
do
do
want
to
be
clear
because
we
did
get
that
from
the
community
as
a
concern.
We
are
not
proposing
to
to
change
hours
of
operations
at
this
time
for
brick
and
mortar
establishments.
E
D
All
right
and
as
the
deputy
thompson
mentioned,
we
did
do
a
lot
of
public
engagement.
So
last
year,
when
we
initially
made
a
presentation
to
city
council
last
fall,
we
heard
pretty
clearly
that
that
we
had
missed
the
mark
from
the
public.
We
had
a
series
of
meetings
after
that,
with
with
operators
and
just
people
in
the
industry
and
had
a
really
good
turnouts.
We
were
very
passionate
between
those
two
open
houses
we
had
about
70
people
show
to
voice
their
concerns.
D
So
that's
what
we've
been
working
on
since
the
beginning
of
this
year
and
we've
done
kind
of
as
we
got
to
a
place
that
we
felt
good
about
as
staff,
we
started
doing
outreach
to
the
industry,
so
that
included
working
with
like
a
small
focus
group
of
operators.
Earlier
this
spring,
we
then
made
a
presentation
to
the
restaurant
advisory
group,
and
then
we
did
another
big
public
meeting,
open
house
sort
of
thing
at
the
end
of
june.
That
one
had
about
30
folks
at
that
one.
C
D
C
D
D
Oh
sorry,
just
this
is
an
example
of
the
materials
that
we
shared
at
that
outreach
meeting
so
and
we
can
send
this
out
to
y'all
as
well.
If
it
would
be
helpful,
but
on
one
column
we
have
the
existing
ordinance
and
then,
on
the
other.
We
have
the
proposed
changes
so
that
the
folks
from
the
industry
were
able
to
see.
Because
again
this
is
an
older
ordinance.
They
were
able
to
see
side
by
side
what
we
were
proposing.
D
So
what
are
we
proposing?
One
of
the
things
here
is
that
we
have
simplified
actually
the
definition
of
what
a
late
night
establishment
is.
If
you
look
at
the
old
one,
it
talks
about
like
business,
license,
classification
and
zoning
designation
and
all
of
this
stuff,
we've
really
simplified
that
to
any
place
that
sells
on-premise
consumption
of
alcohol
after
midnight.
D
D
B
E
In
a
future
slide,
you'll
see
where
it's
you
know
most
of
the
bars
they're
occupancy,
I'm
not
bars.
Excuse
me,
hotel
bars
their
occupancy
and
then
just
off
top
of
my
head.
I
don't
do
that.
It's
you
know
in
another
division
but
say
50
people
we're
not
laying
a
big
burden
on
hotel
bars
or
any
other
bar
restaurant
with
a
late
night
ordinance.
We
are
wording
again.
I
don't
want
to
jump
ahead,
but
our
wording,
our
requirements
for
security
staff,
are
based
on
your
occupancy
at
any
time.
B
E
E
D
D
All
right,
so
this
was
actually
my
next
slide.
Sorry,
I
forgot
what
order
these
were
in.
So,
like
we
were
saying
we
have
kind
of.
This
is
the
section
that
we
talked
to
the
most
about.
To
be
honest,
this
was
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
with
the
industry
like
what
makes
sense
for
them,
but
also
accomplishes
what
we
need
it
to
from
a
public
safety
perspective.
D
D
F
F
But
it's
very
important
to
understand
something
that
chief
thompson
said
earlier:
we're
really
putting
the
control
back
in
the
hands
of
the
business.
So
we've
made
it
very
clear
that
we've
given
them
this
chart
as
a
minimum
expectation
and
if
something
changes
they
need
to
adapt
to
it.
So
we're
really
trying
to
put
the
control
and
management
back
in
their
hands
and
focus
on
giving
them
a
baseline.
F
C
D
E
You
covered
it,
it's
just.
We've
made
it
known
that
the
police
department
has
some
and
obviously,
if
you're,
starting
to
have
a
problem,
we
can
come
over
and
help
you
out
with
that.
They
are
expensive.
There's
a
lot
of
different
programs
that
these
businesses
can
buy
like
meg
said
we're,
leaving
it
on
them.
You
need
to
have
the
plan
in
place
if
your
plan
is
not
working,
we're
going
to
work
with
you
encourage
you
to
get
these
scanners
or
some
other
method
to
improve.
E
C
D
Sure
we
also
phrased
it
this
way.
A
lot
of
establishments
stress
that
they
kind
of
function
just
as
restaurants
earlier
in
the
evening,
and
have
families
come
in
and
eat
dinner
before
they
kind
of
transition
to
more
of
a
late
night
atmosphere.
So
this
allows
for
them
to
kind
of
make
that
transition
in
a
plan
that
makes
sense
for
how
they
do
their
operations.
E
I
can
I
can
elaborate
councilman
waring.
We
are
not
requiring
them
to
get
an
id
scanner,
however,
if
if
and
when
it
gets
to
the
point-
and
it's
on
one
of
the
last
slides
you're
issued
your
first
lne
citation
that
triggers
a
meeting
with
our
police
department,
fire
department
and
our
legal
staff
to
go
over
your
security
plan
and
everything
that
you
submitted
to
get
your
lme
permit.
E
At
that
time,
we
can
lay
out
requirements
for
you
to
do
to
purchase
id
scanners
or
to
hire
additional
staff
or
to
actually
get
sled
certified
security
personnel
that
type
of
thing,
but
it
will
be
triggered
whenever
that
first
l
e
ticket
is
issued
again.
I
don't
want
to
ever
get
to
that
point,
because
we
want
to
work
with
all
businesses
to
make
sure
they're
doing
it
safely.
E
E
H
Understand
fully
what
you're
saying,
but
I
always
believe
that
we
should
be
proactive
in
doing
things
and
doing
it
from
the
beginning
and
not
wait
until
the
end
and
put
it
in
place,
because
once
we
do
it
afterwards,
then
we
get
more
pro.
We
run
into
more
problems
things
they
want
to
fight.
They
don't
want
to
do
this.
They
don't
want
to
do
that.
H
I
can
tell
you
that
right
after
that,
they're
not
21.,
because
my
kid,
my
daughter's,
not
my
grandson-
that
go
down
there,
but
they're
23
years
old,
older
and
they
know
a
lot
of
them-
is
not
21
but
they're
going
in
those
places
and
they're
doing
a
lot
of
different
things
down
there.
But
I
believe
we
should
have
this
in
place
when
we
doing
these
ordinances,
let's
get
it
over
with
and
have
it
have
it
squared
away.
I
that's
my
that's
my
take
on
it
and
not
wait
until
something
happens.
I
They're
they're,
really
not
the
not
the
ones,
we're
concerned
about
what
I
think
that
this
does
is
is
give
the
tools
to
to
the
police,
to
the
city,
to
sort
of
focus
on
the
on
the
problem.
Children
and-
and
you
know-
essentially,
we
know
who
those
are
already
to
some
extent
without
punishing
some.
You
know
the
very
responsible
business
owners
who
already
have
a
ton
of
liability
if
they're
serving
people
under
21..
I
So
I
think
the
safeguards
that
are
already
in
place
are
enough
to
convince
the
vast
majority
of
these
businesses
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
I
do
think
that
this
gives
gives
us
the
tools
to
deal
with
the
ones
that
aren't-
and
you
know
from
what
I
was
hearing-
that's
gonna
be
happening.
You
know
pretty
pretty
swiftly.
G
Just
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
to
follow
up
on
what
councilman
bowden
just
said.
I
you
know
hesitancy.
You
had
councilman
bowden
with
pretty
much
knowing
who
the
bad
actors
are,
and
I'm
understanding
very
few.
I
think,
maybe
a
couple
if
we
know
who
they
are,
and
I
agree
with
you
about
the
and
officer
dumpster
I
mean
thompson
about
most
of
them.
Are
you
know
good
actors?
G
E
I
also
been
wearing
a
say
in
my
opinion:
if
and
when
this
late
night
ordinance
is
passed
and
approved
or
approved
and
passed,
it
will
give
us
the
the
backing
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
shut
businesses
down
if
they're,
if
they're,
there's
a
whole
list
of
things
that
the
business
can
do
to
violate
this
ordinance
and
when
they
do
that,
it'll
said
earlier,
it'll
trigger
the
first
citation
and
that
second
citation
was
a
whole
lot
of
not
good
things.
That
would
happen
to
a
business
to
lose
their
late
night
ordinance.
E
E
F
B
E
E
Obviously
the
loud
music,
those
type
of
things
we've
been
able
to
issue
those
tickets,
but
I
would
say
that
for
a
business,
that's
knowingly
providing
underage
drinking
knowingly
doing
a
couple.
Other
things
that's
listed
out
in
this
new
proposed
ordinance.
The
old
ordinance
didn't
really
give
us
the
opportunity
to
start
addressing
those
under
that
ordinance.
E
I
think
we
had
a
good
template
there,
but
the
way
we've
changed
things
in
this
one
it'll
be
an
immediate
addressing
the
the
problem
immediately
and
then
one
of
the
big
things
I
know
megan
gets
to
it
is
we're
not
waiting
for
adjudication.
We
are
the
issuance
of
the
ticket
is
the
is
what
starts
the
corrective
action
and
or
the
removal
of
the
late
night
ordinance.
If
it's
the
or
excuse
me
the
lne,
if
it's
that
second
citation
mike
want
to
help
me
out
with
that
one
or
did
I
explain
it.
B
D
A
Point
right
now:
some
of
these
businesses
have
been
receiving
summons,
to
go
to
livability
court.
They
do
receive
fines
right
now.
They
treat
those
some
of
them
just
treat
the
fines
as
a
course
of
business
and
there's
not
really
any
teeth
for
any
consequences
for
racking
up
tickets.
So
as
we'll
go
over
later,
I
think
that
the
late
night
that
this
the
late
night
entertainment
permit,
does
give
teeth.
So
a
ticket
is
no
longer
the
cost
of
business,
but
it
could
cost
you
your
business.
C
That's
a
big,
excellent
point:
yeah.
I
I
had
one
place
with
a
lot
of
complaints
about
noise
and
they
just
paid
the
ticket.
You
know
what
what's
a
thousand
dollars,
you
know
they
just
paid
the
ticket,
but
if
you
put
this
in
place
and
and
and
dc
thompson,
can
effectually
over
the
procedure
shut
them
down
at
midnight
so
where
they
can't
serve
from
12
to
two
and
that's
that's
hitting
their
pocketbook
there
they're
going
to
pay
attention
to
that.
Aren't
they.
E
That's
what
we
heard
from
the
business
owners
that
taking
the
l
e
the
12
a.m
to
2
a.m.
Business
is
what
they
thrive
on.
So
that's
it's
a
big
hit
to
lose
that,
but
I
hope
I
answered
the
question
that
I
believe
that
the
old
ordnance
didn't
get
didn't.
Give
me
everything
that
I
needed
to
be
able
to
shut
these.
The
problem.
Businesses
down
this
new
proposed
one
if
and
when
is
passed,
will
give
us
what
we
need
to
do
something
immediately.
There's
there's
clauses
in
here,
for
you
know
a
significant
incident.
E
D
F
I
I
did
want
to
touch
on
council
mcgregor
what
you
mentioned.
I
don't
want
you
to
think
we
haven't
been
writing
citations.
We
have
a
number
of
locations
that
are
have
been
through
or
in
various
stages
of
the
court
process.
We
have
probably
half
a
dozen
have
been
written
specifically
in
l
in
the
violations.
F
We've
got
another
20
or
30
that
have
been
written
on
other
violations
and
really
what
I
see
the
crux
of
this
being
is
we're
strengthening
the
ordinance,
we're
cleaning
up
the
ordinance,
we're
simplifying
the
ordinance
and
making
some
things
very
clear
and
specific
on
how
we're
going
to
proceed.
If
this
behavior
continues.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Listen
I'm
in
fever.
Obviously
the
strength
in
this
ordinance,
but
let
me
ask
I
said
we
go
to
another
step
at
what
point
in
time,
can
we
pull
the
business
license?
I
understand
stopping
operations
from
10
to
12.
if
we
got
bad
actors
down
there
in
particular,
going
beyond
underage
drinking
and
potentially
selling
illegal
drugs,
etc.
G
A
D
Sir,
I
will
go
through
these
next
steps
quickly,
so
we're
also
using
this
opportunity
to
do
some
internal
process
improvement
with
with
how
these
permits
go
through
the
system.
So
currently,
there
is
a
staff
l
e
review
committee
of,
like
eight
different
staff,
members
that
review
these
applications.
D
What
we're
proposing
is
to
dissolve
that
committee
and
just
have
it
be
reviewed
like
a
regular
permit
through
our
system,
which
will
be
more
efficient
with
staff
time
and
make
it
easier
to
track
all
of
these
one
other
new
thing
that
we're
proposing
is
that
these
must
be
renewed
annually
right
now,
if
you
get
an
l,
any
permits
you're
good,
you
just
have
it.
Putting
in
a
renewal,
not
only
allows
us
to
check
the
record,
our
are
you
being
a
good
operator,
but
it
also
allows
the
fire
department
to
do
additional
inspections
as
needed.
D
Just
a
reminder,
this
is
what
a
business
currently
has
to
go
through
to
become
a
late
night
operator.
As
you
can
see,
some
businesses,
depending
on
where
they're
located,
have
to
go
through
a
zoning
special
exception.
They
then
have
to
get
an
l
e
permit.
They
also
have
to
get
a
business
license
right
now.
D
With
that
committee
set
up,
sometimes
zoning
staff
have
to
look
at
the
same
business
three
times
before
they
are
approved
for
l
e
and
that's
maybe
not
the
best
use
of
our
staff
time
and
it's
also
a
little
a
bit
confusing,
because
the
current
application
is
in
a
web-based
platform
that
is
completely
separate
from
our
usual
intergov
permitting
system.
So
it
is
just
very
odd
thing
for
for
staff
and
businesses,
so
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
fold
it
in
with
our
regular
permits.
D
A
Thank
you,
and
yes,
this
is
kind
of
what
on
deputy
chief
thompson
has
already
stated
we
kind
of
want
to
have.
You
know
our
staff
is
amazing
at
giving
people
working
with
them
and
verbal
warnings
at
first.
However,
if
you
do
get
the
issuance
of
a
first
municipal
ordnance
summons,
we
would
be
work.
We
would
require
them
to
meet
with
staff.
Do
the
remediation
plan
and
hope
to
help
you
know,
move
them
towards
a
successful
path.
A
The
upon
issuance
of
a
second
municipal
ordinance
summits
within
one
year.
This
isn't
to
say:
if
somebody
receives
a
summons
and
then
five
years
later,
they
receive
a
second,
that's
not
what
we're.
Looking
looking
after
we're
looking
at
consistent
problems
to
address,
however,
if
somebody
does
receive
that
second
summons,
what
we
are
doing
is
authorizing
our
director
of
revenue
collections
to
be
able
to
potentially
suspend
or
revoke
their
late
night
entertainment
permit.
A
The
next
part
of
the
violations
we
hinted
out
before
would
be
if
there
is
an
emergency
situation,
do
you
mind
going
back
one?
Second,
there
is
a
very
limited
situation
where
there
would
not
be
notice
in
time.
For
a
hearing
and
under
those
situations
we
did
limit
our
ability
to
completely
revoke
or
suspend
somebody's
license.
A
Okay,
next
slide
all
right
for
the
emergency
suspension
like
we
talked
about
previously.
If
our
fire
marshal
or
police
or
a
code
code
enforcement
officer,
does
detect
an
emergency
situation,
and
there
is
an
immediate
need
to
pull
that
business's
l
e.
For
that
day,
we
we
reserve
the
right
to
and
as
I
believe
we
stated
before,
you
know
it
is
a
privilege
to
operate
in
a
late
night
establishment
in
the
city
of
charleston.
A
A
The
appeals
process
now
this
is
different
than
our
current
appeals
process.
Should
it
be,
should
that
second
summons
be
issued,
they
would
receive
notification
within
10
day.
They
would
receive
notification
of
the
suspension
or
revocation
they
would
have
10
days
to
request
a
hearing
before
a
hearing
officer.
The
hearing
officer
is
a
different
process
than
we
currently
have,
which
would
essentially
bring
people
back
in
front
of
either
this
committee.
I
think
a
board
of
adjustment
and
appeals
or
the
code
of
board
appeal,
so
we
have
a
very
complicated
system.
A
A
B
A
License
ordinance,
there
is
a
process
for
revoking
a
business's
business
license.
It
is
a
very
it's.
It
is
a
different
threshold,
so
I
think
that
this
is
right
now,
a
quicker,
a
quicker,
more
streamlined
process,
but
to
address
a
potentially
problematic
situation
before
the
threshold
of
a
full
business
license
revocation
would
take
place.
A
B
C
I
believe
upon
look.
My
memory
is
when
we
looked
into
that
that,
if
there's
a
number
of
repetitive
offenses
of
any
kind
that
we
can
declare
a
public
nuisance
on
the
establishment
and
that's
what
puts
their
business
license
in
jeopardy
and
so
last
year
a
couple
of
these
quote
bad
actors
that
we've
been
referring
to.
C
C
D
Yes,
so
just
to
wrap
up
at
the
end
of
the
ordinance
we
are
building
in
a
little
bit
of
a
grace
period
to
build
that
internal
processing
system
that
I
was
talking
about
and
also
for
businesses
to
get
into
compliance.
Like
I
said,
the
renewal
aspect
is
new,
so
everyone,
no
there's,
no
grandfathering.
Everyone
will
have
to
reapply
and
then
renew
annually,
so
we're
building
in
some
time
to
get
all
of
that
done,
and
then
also.
This
will
not
be
the
last
time
that
y'all
hear
from
me.
D
So
we
are
asking
that
this
committee
endorse
this
ordinance
so
that
it
can
go
for
first
reading
at
city
council
this
month.
If
that
were
to
happen,
we
would
hope
that,
given
that
grace
period,
I
just
mentioned
that
the
ordinance
would
be
in
effect
by
the
end
of
the
year,
and
we
would
expect
eleni's
to
start
getting
into
a
compliance
in
their
first
quarter
of
next
year.