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Description
City of Charleston Resiliency & Sustainability Advisory Committee 2/18/2021
C
B
There's
a
whole
generation
now
that
doesn't
even
know
what
a
cassette
was
you
know,
but
anyway,
thank
you
all
welcome
to
our
meeting.
I
appreciate
you
all
being
here
being
a
part
of
this,
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
moment
of
silence
and
ask
that
you
reflect
on
the
on
the
life
of
hannah
carpenter,
who
was
tragically
killed
in
our
city
last
weekend
in
a
terrible
accident.
I
spoke
with
her
mother
this
morning
and
just
the
worst
thing
I
can
think
of
is
losing
a
child.
B
B
B
D
Yeah,
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
miss
that
for
the
world,
if
I
were
you
all
but
anyway,
so
yes
this
afternoon
at
three
o'clock
city
council
and
we'll
be
involved
in
a
workshop
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
the
wagner
and
ball
team
and
some
members
of
city
staff
and
really
it's
designed
to
to
kind
of
get
update.
City
council
on
where
we
are
with
the
study
to
the
army
corps,
is
going
to
release
where
they
are.
D
With
the
study
wagner,
ball
is
going
to
give
a
a
pretty
in-depth
report
of
their
thorough
review
that
they
did
of
the
study,
and
then
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
future
direction
that
the
study
needs
to
go
to
get
to
the
end.
A
couple
of
exciting
things
coming
out
of
it
is:
the
army
corps
will
announce
that
they're
shifting
from
a
ea
to
an
eis
which
was
almost
unanimously
desired
by
the
community,
so
they
went
ahead
and
did
that
at
a
great
expense
to
the
federal
government.
D
I
would
add
to
do
that
and
an
extension
of
time,
which
is
not
normally
given,
and
we
were
able
to
get
that
here.
In
charleston,
looking
forward
to
that,
they'll
update
their
timeline,
so
it's
essentially
a
seven
months
push
out,
but
the
big
thing
I
think
for
the
workshop,
hopefully,
is
that
we
can
talk
about
how
we
build,
how
we
use
this
project
to
build
a
more
resilient
city
and
not
to
be
you
know
an
alarmist.
D
The
last
thing
I'll
add
on
this
topic
is
that
yesterday
we
had
an
interesting.
You
know
we're
going
to
put
a
citizens
council
together
if
it
gets
through
council
on
tuesday
night,
but
yesterday
we
had
a
really
great
session
with
a
bunch
of
students
over
at
the
clemson
masters
of
urban
design
studio,
who
we
had
about
eight
really
good
citizens.
D
Two
council
members,
we
had
a
couple
business
leaders
and
the
students
are
working
on
this
for
the
entire
year.
So
if
any
of
you
are
interested,
let
me
know
I'll
try
to
get
you
in
on
it
and
council
member
jackson
was
there
and
I
think
she
had
a
pretty
good
time
listening
to
what
the
students
are
working
on.
E
Yes,
that's
a
lead
in
I
mean
I,
I
I'm
always
thrilled
to
know
that
we're
passing
batons
to
amazing
creative,
innovative
people,
but
that
that
session
yesterday,
just
you
know,
demonstrated
exactly
the
kind
of
talent
and
dedication
and
creativity
that
I
think
we're
all
banking
on.
So
it
was
really
it
was
fun
and
it
looks
like
a
a
really
well
organized
program.
You
know
the
the
students
are
going
to
have
a
one-year
master's
degree
in
in
urban
resilience
planning.
E
D
That's
awesome,
yeah,
it
is
it's.
It's
really
interesting.
It's
gonna
be
fun
to
watch.
One
other
update
I'll
provide,
and
then
I
won't
have
anything
else
to
say
is
that
many
of
you
may
have
heard.
Last
tuesday
at
city
council,
the
city
of
charleston
was
involved
with
a
group
that
were
applying
for
a
noaa
grant
to
study
urban
heat
and
I'm
pleased
to
announce
that
city
of
charleston
was
selected.
D
One
of
10
cities
in
the
united
states,
and
we
are
we're
the
smallest
in
the
united
states
and
it's
going
to
be
a
fun
effort.
It
really
is
going
to
be
fun.
It's
a
four-hour
effort
that
we're
going
to
do
with
a
group
of
folks
that
noah's
paying,
for
this
is
obviously
no
cost
to
the
city.
We'll
rally
up
some
volunteers
to
get
out
there.
D
Hopefully
we
can
get
some
schools
involved,
students
and
their
parents
and
we're
just
going
to
go
out
and
take
some
temperatures
in
july
and
see
what
the
urban
heat
is
doing
to
our
city.
And
then
this
group
will
go
back
and
map
it.
So
that's
exciting
more
to
come
on
that,
but
I
think
yesterday
we
got
the
formal
notification
that
we
were
in
in
one
of
the
selected
cities.
That's.
B
Yeah
exactly
well,
that's
great
great
news.
Thank
you
mark
any
questions
for
mark
on
any
of
that
and
again,
if
you
don't
have
the
time
or
interest
really
will
be
a
a
full
presentation
on
where
we
are
with
the
core
and
that
resiliency
plan
this
afternoon,
starting
at
three
okay,
so
thank
you.
Many
of
y'all
have
been
involved
in
helping
with
our
climate
action
plan.
Engagement,
public
engagement
and
input.
Kde
is
gonna.
Next
give
us
an
update
on
where
we
are
with,
with
all
that
katie.
A
So,
as
you
know,
we
started
updating
our
climate
action
plan
in
the
fall.
We
began
the
process
with
a
lot
of
community
engagement
going
through
this
because
as
christina-
and
I
have
mentioned
many
times-
there's
only
so
much
that
the
sustainability
office
can
do.
We
really
need
the
whole
community
on
board
to
really
be
part
of
creating
this
plan
and
be
part
of
crafting
the
actions
that
are
in
the
plan,
so
the
community
is
also
inspired
to
take
action
and
actually
implement
that
plan.
A
So,
just
as
a
reminder,
we
completed
the
first
phase
of
the
climate
action
planning
process
over
the
summer,
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
and
we
are
working
on
establishing
our
emissions
reduction
target
and
developing
the
plan
right
now.
We
have
eight
committees
involved
in
this,
so
lots
of
opportunity
for
public
input.
This
is,
of
course,
one
of
them,
and
this
committee,
of
course
makes
recommendations
to
city
council.
We.
A
A
climate
action
task
force,
that's
really
overseeing
the
overall
progress
of
the
plan,
and
especially
the
goals
and
working
on
the
assessment
criteria.
Things
like
that
making
sure
there's
a
strong
equity
presence
is
really
important
to
that
task
force
and
then
there
are
five
subcommittees
that
are
really
diving
into
specific
subject
matter
areas
and
you
can
see
throughout
this
process.
There's
been
public
input
throughout
all
of
them,
so
so
really
quickly.
I
just
wanted
to
update
you,
so
our
subcommittees
have
been
meeting
a
lot.
A
A
So
right
now
we
are
in
the
we've
had
over
23
meetings.
Since
we
started,
these
committees
are
meeting
generally
pretty
much
every
tuesday,
wednesday
and
thursday
right
stewart
for
about
90
minutes.
We've
had
meetings
for
the
last
two
months
or
so
so
that's
three
months.
I
guess
so
so.
Basically,
where
we're
at
with
these
committees
is,
we
have
created
the
long
list
of
ideas
and
we
are
now
starting
to
go
back
and
whittle
that
list
down
by
using
the
assessment
criteria
that
the
task
force
created
at
our
last
meeting.
A
So
now
we
need
to
go
back.
You
know
see
what
which
actions
are
most
impactful,
which
ones
you
know
bring
equity
to
the
forefront
things
like
that
and
then
consider
cost,
consider
feasibility
and
then
actually
start
whittling
that
list
down
to
things
that
we
think
we
can
prioritize
and
do
in
the
next
five
years.
So
five
years
is
our
magic
number
for
this
plan.
A
So
that's
where
we're
at
with
the
subcommittees:
here's
just
a
quick
review
of
our
estimated
timeline.
So,
of
course,
today
we
are
reviewing
some
of
the
draft
action
items
with
this
committee.
You
all
have
a
list
of
the
the
full
list
of
action
items.
So
if
you
have
any
feedback
on
that,
full
list
feel
free
to
share
that
with
me,
or
we
can
talk
about
anything
at
this
meeting
today
too.
Shortly
we'll
talk
specifically
just
about
the
policy
items.
A
I
thought
that
would
be
a
a
good
topic
for
this
group
to
discuss
and
then
the
goal
is
to
get
this
short
list
of
action
items
once
they're
fully
assessed
to
the
committee
by
early
march
and
then
take
that
short
list
and
actually
go
back
out
to
our
community
and
do
a
third
round
of
community
engagement.
So,
as
you
know,
there's
lots
of
community
engagement
being
part
of
these
subcommittees
and
we
did
surveys
and
public
meetings
in
the
fall.
A
A
So
I
wanted
to
go
through
each
subcommittee
just
a
couple
of
the
policy
items
that
are
really
tops
that
are
really
primed
for
this
group
to
discuss
so
I'll,
go
through
each
sub
commit
com
committee
separately,
and
then
we
can
open
it
up
for
discussion
for
this
committee
and
and
I'll
put
the
refresher
list
in
the
chat.
So
folks
remember
some
of
the
items
to
talk
about,
but
but
basically
we're
looking
for
you
know
of
of
this
list.
A
What
do
you
think
you
know
we
should
be
prioritizing
in
the
near
future?
What
are
some
things?
Maybe
we
wait
a
couple
years,
but
should
still
be
part
of
the
climate
action
plan
and
what
are
some
things
that
maybe
don't
make
sense
for
us
right
now
and
are
not
in
the
the
right
direction
that
we
should
really
be
refocusing
on.
Also,
if
there's
something
missing,
please
feel
free
to
bring
that
up.
A
So
the
transportation
group
had
the
most
policy
items
right
now
that
they're
considering
so
this
this
first
one
we'll
we'll
actually
talk
about
in
a
little
more
detail
towards
the
end
of
the
meeting.
But
it's
this
idea
that
the
some
of
the
the
smaller
two-stroke
engines
in
in
a
lot
of
lawn
equipment
such
as
gas-powered
leaf
blowers,
lawn
mowers,
things
like
that
chainsaws.
A
The
second
and
third
one
here
are
similar.
This
is
also
embracing.
You
know
the
electric
technology
this
and
and
embracing
electric
cars,
so
this
first
one
is
about
new
single-family
homes
and
and
considering
a
requirement
to
install
that
240
volt
plug,
which
is
really
a
dryer
type
plug
in
the
garages
of
new
homes.
So
this
this
theoretically
could
accommodate
a
future
level,
2
electric
vehicle
charger,
and
that
would
be
a
really
easy
retrofit
for
a
homeowner
to
just
install
a
charger.
A
If
you,
if
you
have
the
home
already
already
designed
and
built
to
go
back
and
add
that
plug,
is
much
more
cost
intensive
and
a
longer
process
than
just
including
it
from
the
beginning.
So
this
this
is
one
recommendation
now
for
commercial.
We
could
take
it
beyond
just
requiring
the
plug
and
the
conduit
we
could.
We
could
actually
require
some
level
2
charging
stations,
especially
in
multifamily.
A
A
So
those
two
are
about
embracing
electric
vehicles,
and
then
we
have
one
here
about
our
bicycle
and
pedestrian
activity,
to
increase
that
we
really
need
to
increase
infrastructure
of
of
for
the
bicycles
and
part
of
that
has
to
do
with
parking.
So
this
could
be
something
we
consider
in
our
zoning
code
is
strengthening
how
much
bicycle
parking
we
require
during
new
development
and
then
also
in
our
zoning
code.
B
A
B
And
I
gotta
admit
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
personal
research.
I've
put
into
where
charging
stations
is
gonna
go.
Has
anybody
kind
of
followed
this
in
seeds?
The
future
I
I
saw
for
example,
I
did
see
the
other
day.
Somebody
sent
me
a
picture
of
a
walmart
charging
station.
You
know
for
a
fee
and
of
course,
I've
seen
that
whole
foods
and
some
other
retail
locations
it's
almost
like
an
incentive
for
their
shopper,
that
they
have
charging
stations
for
free.
B
F
Mr
mayor,
this
is
rick
devoe.
I
was
wondering
how
this
relates
to
fueling
stations,
where
we
can't
keep
on
building
having
gas
stations
being
built
all
over
our
area
and
wondering,
if
there's
any
thought
about
talking
with
that
community,
about
how
they
might
sort
of
create
some
diversity
in
their
fueling
options.
For
future
transportation
needs.
B
Absolutely
no,
I
think
it
amazes
me.
I
mean
my
family
used
to
be
in
the
convenience
store
business,
and
I
know
the
investment
of
of
what's
coming
on
the
market
now,
with
stores
like
sphinx
and
parker's
that
that,
at
the
same
time,
general
motors
is
saying
in
2035
they're
going
to
be
out
of
the
you
know:
fossil
fuel
automotive
business.
I
mean:
where
does
this
dynamic
change.
E
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
examples
mayor
and
you
know
bigger
metropolitan
areas
that
have
been
adding.
I
mean
charging
stations
to
gas
stations.
You
know
for
a
long
time
relatively
long
time,
so
I'm
sure
we
can
find
next
city
is
a
great
resource
for
studying
all
those
innovations.
You
know
that
communities
can
tap
into
so
I
I'm
sure
we
can
find
some
really
good
models
to
follow
mayor.
I
Hey
this
is
mark
messersmith
with
the
port.
So
let
y'all
be
aware.
We
have
four
charging
stations
at
our
new
headquarters
that
are
that
are
free
and
open
to
the
public
to
use
and
then
about
where
the
future
is
going
on
and
we've
been
in
multiple
discussions
with
different
trucking
companies,
about
possibility
of
you
know
experimenting
with
electric
draids
trucks
in
the
region.
I
K
I
was
going
to
say
something
similar
to
what
carol
said,
but
I
think
we
as
a
city
need
to
encourage
all
our
gas
stations
to
consider
that
you're
going
to
have
all
commercial
and
industrial
organizations
and
companies
who
are
going
to
have
to
put
in
charging
stations
at
their
place
because
you're
going
to
have
people
coming
there.
And
if
you
want
to
work
here,
if
they
want
them
to
work
there,
they're
going
to
need
to
apply
that.
K
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
our
garages
and
update
and
maybe
increase,
not
maybe
increase
the
number
of
charging
stations
in
our
garages
and
really
go
ahead.
And
as
a
city
talk
about,
the
future
is
electric
vehicles
and
eventually,
as
we
need
to
replace
our
fleets,
police,
etc.
We
need
to
then
be
able
to
buy
electric
vehicles
and
then
provide
the
charging
stations
not
only
for
those
vehicles,
but
that
could
also
be
open
to
the
public.
L
L
If
you
know
looking
at
the
adding
requiring
tv
charging
at
a
at
a
regular
fuel
station,
I
don't
know
any
anymore
that
don't
sell
other
things
besides
gas,
so
I
think
you
have
a
business
argument
for
bringing
those
ev
drivers
to
that
gas
station.
They
wouldn't
be
stopping
there,
otherwise
to
pick
up
their
red
bull
or
their.
You
know,
whatever
else
that
they
sell.
So
I
think
you
can
actually
make
a
business
case
for
making
that
requirement.
They
might
drive
right
by
that
station.
Otherwise,
without
the
av
charger.
E
I
was
just
gonna
say
you
know:
we
have
a
local
owner
company
blue
water
that
I
think
they're
they're
expanding.
I
just
read
that
they're
building
a
brand
new
station
out
in
somerville
area-
I
I
know
both
those
people,
I'm
sure
we
all
do
so
that
that
they
might
be
a
good
company
to
start
with
to
just
you
know,
see
if
they've
already
looked
into
the
business
model
and
if
not,
you
know
help
them,
do
that
and
sort
of
use
them
as
our
guinea
pig.
B
But
but
I'm
just
curious
from
a
marketing
point
of
view
and
up
from
a
policy
point
of
view
how
this
is
going
to
work.
You
know
that
is
the
private
sector
going
to
really
step
up
to
the
plate
or
is
it?
Is
it
necessary
to
start
requiring
in
our
building
codes
that
you
know
these
outlets
be
be
put
in
garages
and
in
multi-family
developments?
G
This
is
christine
mayer.
I
do
think
that
we
need
both
the
private
sector
and
the
public
sector
coming
together
on
this.
You
know.
Part
of
the
issue
is
timing
for
climate
change
and
the
more
that
both
of
these
groups
can
work
together
and
and
bring
to
bear
the
policy
and
the
economics
together
on
this,
the
the
faster
we'll
get
there
and
and
the
better
off
humanity
will
be
so
that's
you
know.
The
economics
are
rapidly
changing.
G
Solar
and
wind
are
going
to
overtake
fossil
fuels
very
quickly.
The
energy
companies
see
this
happening
and
they
are
going
to
be
encouraging
solar
and
wind
and
discouraging
fossil
fuels,
because
it's
just
going
to
be
too
expensive
for
them
to
produce
energy
via
fossil
fuels.
You
know,
we've
already
seen
natural
gas
take
over
coal,
renewables
will
take
over
natural
gas.
G
B
There
needs,
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
special
training
needed
on
something
like
that,
but
you
could
almost
have
a
business
model
around
adding
charging
stations.
Couldn't
you
something
to
think
about
so
any
of
those
other
anything
we're
leaving
out
that
that
y'all
would
like
to
add
to
katie's
list
tammy.
L
Yes,
sir,
if
you
just
clarify
the
the
first
item
I
first
bought,
I
think,
was
on
gas
blowers
and
other
small
tools
like
that
is
that
meant,
as
a
suggested
action
item
for
the
city,
to
move
away
from
those.
Or
are
you
looking
at
a
broader
ban
so
to
speak?
Could
you
please
just
clarify
it
might
need
that
in
the
wording
as
well.
What
the
applicable
audience
is.
B
B
E
G
A
A
Has
started
using
a
lot
of
electric
too
they've
they've
had
some
great
success
with
chainsaws,
especially
when
they
need
to
do
work
at
night
in
the
in
the
hand,
saw
so
like.
Like
mayor
checkmark
said
he,
the
parks
department's
been
doing
a
lot
with
it,
and
I
know
they
have
high
hopes
to
do
a
lot
more,
as
funding
becomes
more
available.
I
Mark
here
again
with
the
port
and
before
we
get
off
transportation,
if,
if
we're
going
to
be
getting
off
that
scene,
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
here
that
it
seems
like
we're,
leaning
heavily
on
ev
electric,
as
as
though
it
seems
like
it's
the
only
option
here.
I
think
we
need
to
keep
it
open
to
alternative
fuels
as
well:
natural
compressed
natural
gas,
liquefied
hydrogen
fuel
cell
technology.
I
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
creativity
that
can
be
quelled
if
you
push
entirely
for
ev
as
an
option.
I
was
on
a
presentation
yesterday
with
epa
and
they
are
excited
about
ways
like
ups
is
going
where
they're
looking
at
a
whole
fleet
of
numerous
different
technologies
for
for
powering
their
vehicles,
besides
just
diesel
engines.
So
I.
B
That's
correct.
Thank
you
mark
that
reminder
and
you're
right
there.
We,
we
kind
of
assuming
electric,
is
going
to
take
over,
but
there
are
other
technologies
out
there
that
are
possible
and
folks
are
using
so
katie.
Let's,
let's
make
sure
our
language
is
broad
to
cover
other.
You
know
potential
technologies
as
well
all
right
anything
else
on
transportation.
A
A
Okay,
so
in
buildings
again,
there's
there's
a
whole
list
of
strategies,
but
these
are
just
the
policy
ones
that
are
coming
out.
So
this
first
one
isn't
really
city
policy,
but
I
thought
I
would
mention
it
because
it's
important
and
and
it's
really
about
our
energy
code,
so
one
of
one
of
the
best
ways
to
make
a
difference
and
reduce
emissions
is
actually
to
strengthen
our
energy
code.
We
are
this.
A
The
state
of
south
carolina
is
still
using,
I
believe,
2009
energy
code,
which
is
far
outdated
and
is
not
up
to
the
same
part
as
the
other
building
codes
or
electrical
codes,
for
example,
so
advocating
for
the
energy
code
to
come
up
to
speed
with
other
codes
and
aligning
that
with
carbon
neutrality,
and,
I
think
is
it
I
think,
could
be
an
opportunity,
especially
for
some
of
our
elected
officials.
If
that's
something
that
you're
interested
in
supporting.
A
So
again,
this
wouldn't
be
a
city
code,
but
this
would
be
state
policy
so
that
one
really
sets
up
this
next.
One
though,
because
the
next
one,
what
we
do
have
control
locally
is
in
our
zoning
code,
and
we
have.
It
is
possible
to
include
some
sustainable
construction
requirements
in
the
zoning
code.
For
example,
we
already
have
the
upper
peninsula
zoning
district
that
offers
heightened
density
bonuses.
A
Do
we
want
to
consider
requirements
or
I'm
not
sure
why
this
just
restarted
or
or
is
it
better
to
stick
with
incentives
and
then
the
third
one
which
give
me
a
second
it's
coming
back
here?
The
third
one
is
about
disclosing
utility
data,
so
this
is
also
something
that
a
lot
of
cities
have
done,
and
it's
it's
also
possible
that
this
could
potentially
also
be
a
state
a
state
code
thing,
but
this
this
is
about.
You
know
when
you
when
you
just
when
you
sell
a
property,
you
disclose.
A
You
know
what
that
what
that
utility
usage
is,
and
this
helps
sellers
identify.
You
know,
first
of
all,
what
am
I
getting
into
in
terms
of
a
utility
bill
when
I
purchase
this
property
or
when
I
rent
this
property
so
that
they're
they're
familiar
with
that
up
front.
So
this
is
this
is
also
a
pretty
common
one,
and
this
this
to
you
like,
I
said
it
could
be
state
or
I
think
it
might
be
more
like
a
state
than
us
than
a
city,
but
I'm
curious
what
other
people
think
on
this.
H
B
E
E
L
H
I
C
C
M
A
Costs
will
be
considered
in
in
all
of
them
now,
as
far
as
a
detailed
analysis
and
an
exact
number,
that's
that's
not
going
to
get
to
the
we're,
not
we're.
We
just
don't
have
the
capacity
to
do
that
in
this
plan,
just
as
a
one
person
who's
trying
to
manage
this,
but
but
we
do
have
the
potential
to
say
you
know,
like
you
mentioned,
we
could
say
you
know
this
is
something
we
want
to
consider
and
look
into
more
instead
of
just
saying
flat
out
start
requiring
this.
A
C
Because
I
was
worried
about,
for
example,
on
changes
to
the
great
building
standards
with
which
I'm
familiar
generally,
obviously
some
some
wonderful
things
that
are
happening
in
that
arena,
but
they
sometimes
depending
upon
what
you
select,
can
increase
cost
and
with
a
concern
about
trying
to
not
increase
costs
from
affordable
housing.
I
think
before
we
would
make
any
kind
of
blanket
kinds
of
policy
provisions
that
we
would
actually
know
exactly
what
we
were
doing
in
that
arena.
K
During
our
building
committee
conversations,
we've
had
a
couple
of
real
experts
on
building
construction
and
they
presented
us
with
a
very
interesting
percentage
that
if
you
take
a
look
at
a
building
for
the
life
of
a
building,
we're
talking
about
a
building,
that's
going
to
be
there
for
40
50
years.
15
of
the
cost
is
to
build
the
building.
85
of
the
cost
is
over
that
period
of
time.
K
So,
if
we're
adding
some
bucks
to
the
construction
to
save
our
planet
and
also
to
save
the
individuals
who's
building
something
money
over
long
term,
that
needs
to
be
considered.
As
we
have
this
conversation,
we
just
can't
continually
look
as
most
people
do
at
upfront
cost.
We
need
to
look
at
those
costs
over
the
period
of
life
of
that
building.
B
B
E
Again
mayor,
I
think
the
affordability
is
factored
in
over
the
long
haul.
You
know
if
we're,
if
we're
creating
housing,
that's
affordable
today
to
a
certain
eligible
income
range
of
earners
and
they
can't
afford
to
stay
there
because
their
utility,
you
know,
costs
creep
up
and
their
and-
and
so
I
I
do
think
that
stuart
is
absolutely
right.
E
There's
a
lot
of
studies
now
I
think
the
historic
building
arts
college
has
has
has
a
whole
sort
of
minor
curriculum
in
that
on
how
to
factor
in
the
sustainable
pricing
of
a
of
a
home
in
the
building
materials
that
go
into
it.
There's
that
I've
gone
to
a
couple
lectures
there
and
there's
a
an
institute
in
canada,
where
they're
they're
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
not
only
net
neutral,
carbon
building
materials,
but
carbon
negative
materials,
which
I
think
is
really
exciting.
G
G
G
A
B
H
B
License
but
familiar
with
the
residential
side
as
well,
and
it's
really
at
the
state
level
that
requirements
are
made
on
on
the
real
estate
industry,
about
disclosures
and
and
such
and
and
often
you
know,
you
bought
a
house,
and
you
asked
the
former
owner.
Well,
what
were
your
utility
bills
like
and
might
get
the
agent
to
give
you
a
copy
of
their
bills?
But
you
know
really
depends
on
where
they
set
their
thermostat
and
other
things
as
to
what
their
their
bills
run.
L
F
F
If
it's
not
a
new,
if
it's
not
new
construction,
so
if
you've
got
a
15
year
old,
hvac
system,
the
efficiency
of
that
and
the
bills
associated
with
that
are
going
to
be
a
lot
different,
so
one
can
maybe
deduce
from
some
of
the
inspector
work
some
level
of
knowledge
of
energy
use
in
a
facility
and
but
but
I
you
know,
I
think,
disclosure
of
I
don't
of
of
the
of
the
history
of
of
the
cost
of
energy
at
a
particular
structure.
It
seems
like
an
interesting
proposition.
B
F
C
H
B
F
A
Policies
all
right
so
just
an
interest
of
time-
maybe
I'll
just
take
these
last
two
together
because
they
are
shorter,
so
we
have
waist
so
this
first
one
was
actually
part
of
the
original
green
plan
and
it's
it's
I'll,
be
honest.
It's
not
super
popular
in
our
waste
group,
but
it
has
come.
It
has
come
up
and
it's
about
requiring
recycling
for
larger
commercial
establishments
and
especially
for
at
restaurants
and
events
and
potentially
phasing
phasing
this
in.
A
Then
this
second
one
here
is
is
not
really
a
citywide
policy,
it's
more
of
an
internal
city
policy,
but
it
would
be
establishing
sustainable
procurement
practices
for
our
operations,
how
we
purchase
things
and
what
we
purchased
just
thinking
about
them
in
it
with
an
extra
lens
and
then
our
carbon
sinks
group.
This
group
is
all
about.
You
know
ways
we
can
cap
sequester
capture,
store
more
carbon,
so
think
of
it
a
tree
how
it
captures
carbon.
A
So
this
this
first
one
is
all
about
making
room
for
our
emotions
to
migrate.
So
this
is
something
that
our
comprehensive
plan
team
is
actually
digging
through
a
lot
of
data
on
right
now-
and
it's
about
you
know,
looking
at
our
land
use
policy
to
make
sure
that
as
these
as
our
seas
rises
as
our
sea
rises,
there's
room
for
these
marshes
to
move,
so
they
can
maintain
their
their
healthy
ecosystems.
A
So
these
are
some
things
we
need
to
think
about
in
land,
use
that
the
comp
plan
team
is
working
on
and
then
the
second
one
here
we
have
honestly
been
talking
about
this
one
for
years.
It's
about
strengthening
our
tree
protection
regulations.
In
our
zoning
code,
we
had
a
great
study
that
was
completed
in
2018
called
tree,
stops
at
storm
water
and
there's
a
whole
report
on
recommendations,
and
there
are
about
six
of
them
that
are
related
to
tree
protection
and
tree
planting
regulations
for
private
development.
So
those
are
the
last
of
the
policy
pieces.
F
F
This
is
probably
a
controversial
thing
to
say,
but
I
do
think
that
I'm
just
so
concerned
about
the
fact
that
when
a
when
a
tract
is
developed,
that
it
gets
clear-cut
as
opposed
to
selective
cutting,
so
that
some
of
the
canopy
or
some
of
the
vegetation
can
remain
on
the
site
and
I'm
sure
there
are
lots
of
reasons
and
there's
you
know
size
matters.
Of
course
bigger
trek
may
be
more
accommodating.
You
know,
reaching
maximum
economic
benefit
from
a
particular
tract
is
also
another
lot
of
concerns.
B
Well,
it's
a
point
well
taken
and
I
think
most
of
our
tree
ordinances
they
deal
with
the
diameter.
You
know
the
inches
of
of
a
single
tree
and
not
looking
at
the
broader
view
of
the
ecosystem
or
the
total
canopy.
As
you
say,
so,
that's
an
excellent
point
and
I
I
would
think
we
should
address
that
as
well.
Thank
you
carol.
E
I
was
just
gonna
support,
rick's
philosophy
about
all
of
this.
I
I
do
think
just
in
you
know,
watching
the
way
that
we
process
land
use
permits,
the
original
zoning
request,
subdivision
requests
and
then
the
site
permit
itself.
We
we
really
have
gotten
pretty
comfortable
in
in
the
normality
of
a
variance
process.
E
We
have
a
whole.
You
know
we
have
a
whole
group.
The
the
eca
small
design,
our
site
design,
group
and,
and
the
majority
of
the
cases
that
they
hear
in
my
observation
is,
is
the
developer
asking
to
have
a
variety
of
trees?
You
know
given
a
variance
for
removal,
and
so
I
do
feel
like
it's.
It's
sort
of
we
we've
created
a
mindset
that
it's
okay,
you
know
to
say
yes
to
the
removal
of
trees,
and
I
I
think
it
needs
to
be
the
inverse.
E
M
As
somebody
who's
written
a
few
tree
ordinances
in
my
day,
I
haven't
looked
at
yours
recently,
but
you
can
certainly
build
in
a
chart
or
of
of
what
are
the
allowable
species,
and
you
can.
Basically,
you
could
work
those
around
which
ones
would
have
the
most
eco
benefit
and
include
that
as
basically
what
they
have
to
stick
to
in
terms
of
nuka.
You
know
new
landscaping
and
everything
so
most
of
the
communities.
B
F
Mr
mayor,
may
I
make
a
comment
about
that.
I
I
know
a
few
of
the
vendors
who
are
down
downtown.
I
like
my
beer,
let's
just
put
it
that
way,
and
I
am.
I
am
so
perplexed
that
the
amount
of
cans
and
bottles
that
are
generated
through
these
establishments
aren't
recycled,
and
I
talked
to
the
owners
of
that
one
establishment
that
I
know
really
well
and
they
said
that.
Well,
there's
no
there's!
No
providers
for
recycling
services,
commercial
providers
that
are
willing
to
come
pick
up
my
cans
and
bottles.
F
F
But
but
maybe
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
with
the
ones
who
are
the
recyclers,
the
ones
who
have
to
pick
it
up
to
figure
out
ways
that
it
can
be
done
in
a
try
to
get
cost-effective
but
at
the
same
time
meet
the
goals
of
trying
to
recycle
this
material
which
ends
up
in
our
landfills,
which
costs
us
in
a
different
way.
Ultimately,
so
just
a
little
anecdote
there
for
consideration.
A
F
A
M
A
B
B
K
B
To
think
of
that
yeah
all
right,
any
other
thoughts
on
waste
are
carbon
sink
all
right.
So
the
other
item
on
the
agenda
we've
really
already
talked
about
a
bit.
The
gas
powered
leaf,
blowers,
councilmember
seeking
requested
that
and
I'm
not
sure
he
knew
we
were
going
to
talk
about
it
anyway.
So
anything
more
about
gas
blowers.
A
I'll
just
give
you
a
little
bit
more
background
on
these
just
really
quickly.
You
know
we're
at
time
here,
but
you
know
lots
of
studies
just
showing
how
how
these
lethal
emissions
it
looks
like
a
tiny
machine,
and
it
actually,
you
know,
produces
a
lot
more
pollution
than
pickup
trucks,
and
so
just
some
some
background
input.
These
engines
were
designed
to
be
you,
know,
low
cost
and
and
lightweight,
and
they
weren't
designed
with
efficiency
in
mind.
So
a
lot
of
them.
A
You
consider
really
these
these
two
stroke
engines
to
be
outdated
technology.
There's
there
is
different
technology.
Now
that's
available
I'll
go
into
these
in
a
moment,
but
but
basically
there's
a
huge
public
health
danger
and
it's
actually
coming
in
three
different
forms.
So
there's
there's
air
pollution,
there's
both
the
emissions
pollution
and
there's
also
major
dust
particle
pollution
and
that
part
doesn't
go
away
with
the
gas
blower
disappearing.
A
There's
also
just
really
dangerous
decibel
levels
of
these,
I'm
sure
everyone
has
been.
You
know
not
even
near
a
leaf
blower
and
just
felt
their
eardrums
shake
a
little
bit.
So
there
are
tons
of
jurisdictions
across
the
country
that
have
banned
or
restricted
these
here's
just
a
couple
examples
of
different
ways:
people
have
done
it
or
areas
have
done
it.
So
in
florida,
there's
a
all-out
there's,
an
all-out
ban
on
the
gas
blowers
that
went
into
place
in
key
biscayne
in
palm
beach.
A
They
actually
only
get
banned
the
gas
power
blowers
on
properties
less
than
an
acre,
so
the
smaller
more
residential
properties
and
in
chapel
hill.
They
just
pass
restrictions
on
the
hours
that
the
blowers
can
be
used,
so
they
were
more
focused
on
the
nose
pollution.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
bands
in
california,
of
course,
in
palo
alto
they
banned
them
just
in
residential
zones,
an
example
in
santa
monica
that
some
sometimes
we
don't
think
of
that
they've
banned
all
leaf
floors,
including
electric
leaf
blowers.
A
A
Of
course,
the
cordless
are
more
expensive.
The
the
gas
powered
still
has
a
powers,
the
wrong
word,
but
they're
a
little
more
powerful
than
the
electric.
So
there
is
a
notion
that
the
gas
powered
are
better
for
the
commercial
applications
when
you
have
really
heavy-duty
leafs
to
push
around,
but
that
they
there
are
places
in
you
know
there
are
commercial
users
that
use
electric
and
and
don't
have
problems
with
that
if
they
stay
on
top
of
it.
So
these
are
example,
pricing
from
just
homedepotlowes.com
showing
some
of
these.
A
The
the
electric
powers
are
they're,
lighter,
they're,
quieter
and,
of
course
they
they
pollute
less
there's
also
some
options
to
instead
of
using
blowers
in
general,
there's
some
options.
So
there's
you
know
such
a
thing
as
a
leaf
sucker
or
a
vacuum
that
pulls
the
leaf
in
instead
of
blowing
dust
all
around.
Of
course,
there
are
some
human
powered
collection
leaf
collectors.
A
You
know,
there's
mowers
that
you
can,
where
you
collect
the
leaves
and
then
mulch
them
after
that,
you
can
of
course,
do
that
and
then
the
old
fashioned
rakes
and
brooms.
So
there
are
some
some
alternatives
available.
So,
just
for
just
to
give
you
some
ideas,
we
can,
of
course
keep
talking
about
this,
but
if
anyone
has
any
comments
right
now
before
we
jump
to
the
public
comment
period,
please
feel
free.
F
Is
this
is
rick
again,
I'm
sorry.
I
keep
talking
today,
okay,
the
thing
about
leaf
blowers
for
me
I've.
You
know,
I've
always
joked
that
if
I
ever
ran
for
public
office,
my
number
one
priority
would
be
to
get
rid
of
leaf
blowers,
but
but
that's
a
but
that's
beside
the
point
I
think
there
there
there
is
a
purpose
for
these
machines.
F
Well,
my
concern
about
leaf
blowers
is
the
fact
that
in
several
cases
I've
seen
leaf
blowers
blow
the
leaves
into
public
spaces
and
and
leave
them
there
to
be
blown
again
by
nature
or
cars
or
something-
and
I
think
that's
a
concern
of
mine
if
they're
picked
up
or
disposed
of
as
mulch.
I
think
that's
a
that's
okay,
but
but
I
I
think
this
is
a
one
of
those
issues.
F
If
we
start
going
after
two
stroke
engines,
then
we're
gonna
be
entering
that
scary
area
of
lawn
mowers,
and
I
love
my
gas
powered
lawnmower.
I
have
to
admit,
but
it
is
a
mulching
machine
too.
So
maybe
I
can
have
it
both
ways
and
use
my
gas-powered
lawnmower
to
deal
with,
leaves
and
not
have
to
use
a
gas-powered
leaf,
blower
to
deal
with
them
so
anyway.
Sorry
just
a
little
bit
of
comedy
there.
F
K
I'd
just
like
to
make
a
comment
about
the
entire
climate
action
plan.
One
of
the
things
that
katie
continually
reiterates
is
that
we
are
going
to
present
a
plan
that
we
can
do
a
realistic
plan
where
so
many
cities
create
a
plan
that
they
can't
do
so.
When
you
see
the
action
plans
actually
coming
back
to
this
committee,
you're
going
to
see
realistic
action
plans
that
we
can
do.
G
B
Appreciate
that
I'll
chime
in
katie,
thank
you,
you've
been
remarkable,
pulling
all
this
together
and
hurting
the
cats
and
just
coming
to
us
with
these
policy
recommendations,
looks
a
lot
simpler
than
it
is
it's
a
long
process,
a
lot
of
public
engagement.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
did
want
to
follow
up
on
rick's
comment
about
the
gas
forwards.
Can.
C
B
Folks,
whether
they
have
electric
or
gas
powered
from
blowing
debris
into
the
storm
drain,
make
that
a
a
a
criminal
offense.
If
you
will,
we
need
to
keep
our
storm
drains
clean,
clean
and
nothing
irritates
me
more
than
seeing
somebody
out
and
they're
blowing
the
pile
of
leaves
down
into
the
storm
drain,
which
compounds
our
cleaning
issues
there.
So
anyway,
I.
B
B
B
Overall
are
y'all,
of
course,
this
would
be
part
of
the
climate
action
plan,
but
I
I
think
maybe
councilmember
seeking
thought
was
to
come
back
with
a
recommendation
to
to
go
ahead
and
formulate
some.
Some
action
to
city
council
regarding
the
blowers
is:
are
you
all
of
mine
that
we
go
ahead
and
develop
a
little
policy
to
to
either
set
up
some
van
or
or
timeline?
B
I
I
I
I
mean,
I
think,
thinking
about
it
where
you
we
have
one
ten
minutes
ago,
we're
talking
about
requiring
trees
to
be
planted,
so
you
require
require
a
couple,
live
oaks
to
be
planted
on
somebody's
third
of
an
acre
lot
and
then
tell
them
that
they
can't
use
a
leaf
blower.
It's
probably
not
the
most
advisable
thing.
This
is
me
speaking,
not
the
port
authority.
B
G
B
A
J
I
just
wanted
to
remind
this
committee
that
we
are
still
very
much
committed
to
this
and
look
forward
to
meeting
carol
with
you
and
with
dudley
gregory
and
with
kevin
cheeley
and
other
council
members
to
reinforce
the
point
that
charleston
whatever
we
do.
That's,
however,
virtuous
it
is,
is
not
going
to
save
the
city
if
the
sea
level
continues
to
rise
and
if
weather
continues
to
get
hotter
and
you
have
global
disruptions
to
the
economy,
it
will
affect
us
because
we
are
an
international
trading.
J
H
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
sir
hello,
I'm
belvedere
for
the
charleston
climate
coalition
and
I'd
just
like
to
sort
of
echo
mark's
point
that
the
city
has
a
powerful
megaphone
that
there's
a
bully
pulpit
and
I
think
it's
sort
of
an
untapped
source
of
climate
action
that
I
would
really
love
for
city
councils
to
lean
into.
H
H
I
don't
know
if
y'all
are
familiar,
but
it
includes
racial
equity
principles,
as
well
as
a
commitment
to
transition,
our
energy
systems
from
coal
and
gas
to
renewables,
and
I
think
we
could
really
get
some
great
coverage.
Some
press
coverage,
if
we
strategically
time
these
resolutions,
maybe
in
the
month
of
earth
day-
and
I
think
that'd-
be
a
helpful
addition
to
our
common
action
plan.
Work.