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Resiliency & Sustainability Advisory Committee 10/07/2021
C
Thank
you
all
right,
I
think
katie's.
Let
me
know
we're
now
streaming
on
youtube,
so
we
can
start
the
meeting,
welcome
everyone
and
please
join
me
for
a
moment
of
silence
and
ask
you
to
keep
in
your
thoughts
and
prayers
those
families
in
our
country
that
are
still
impacted
by
covet
19
and
pray
for
the
continued
reduction
of
cases
and
hospitalization
and
death
from
cover
19
a
moment
of
silence.
C
D
C
Great,
thank
you
for
being
with
us
and
I'd,
see.
Mallory
and
michael
are
with
us,
but
they're
going
to
be
on
the
program
in
a
little
bit,
so
we'll
we'll
look
to
hear
from
them
in
just
a
little
bit
and
everybody
else
looks
like
normal
committee
members.
Thank
you
all
for
your
continued
service
in
in
this
important
work.
So
we
got
some
great
reports.
First
up
is
our
new
chief
resiliency
officer.
C
A
B
A
From
the
water
institute
before
that
from
the
netherlands
embassy,
where
I
first
met
the
ambassador
playing,
I
saw
the
mayor
playing
piano
at
the
ambassador's
residence
asking
for
the
dutch
help.
So
we
go
back
a
ways
and
I'm
I'm
just
truly
honored
to
be
here,
and
I
thank
you
all
for
your
for
your
warm
welcome
and,
for
you
know,
the
the
amount
of
effort
you're
going
to
give
to
me
into
the
city
to
help
us
move
this
forward.
A
A
I
can
show
a
couple
slides
if
you
want
that,
but
it's
rather
easy
to
talk
about
the
three
by
three
process
started
three
and
a
half
years
ago,
fully
fully
funded
by
the
federal
government.
Often
this
is
a
50
50
effort,
but
through
a
supplemental
disaster,
emergency
appropriation
after
the
2018
storm
season,
congress
gave
the
corps
of
engineers
authority
and
money
to
do
a
number
of
studies.
Charleston
was
one
of
them,
so
the
feds
have
paid
for
everything
here
on
this
study.
So
it's
a
it's
a
great
benefit
to
the
city.
A
The
three
by
three
three
is
three
million
dollars
for
over
three
years
for
three
levels:
to
review
because
the
citizens
last
year
after
the
initial
tsp
10
of
the
second
plan,
was
released
because
the
citizens
asked
for
an
eis,
not
an
ea,
so
an
environmental
impact
statement,
which
is
a
formal
process
as
opposed
to
an
environmental
assessment.
The
corps
of
engineers
got
the
money
to
do
that
and
did
it
and
that's
why
we
are
beyond
the
three-year
deadline.
But
it's
it's.
The
draft
is
completed
and
that
was
released
on
september
10th.
A
It
is
on
the
core
of
engineers
charleston
district
website.
It's
there.
It's
you
know
easy
reading
at
about
a
thousand
pages,
so
go
go
at
it.
I've
looked
at
it
all.
I
even
understand
most
of
it.
So
that's
that's
pretty
good,
and
you
know
this
is
a
tremendous
improvement
in
some
ways
what
the
core
of
engineers
has
done
over
the
last.
You
know,
16
months
through
the
eis
and
through
this,
this
optimization
what
they
call
it.
A
The
big
numbers
here,
the
big
things
really
here
are
you
know
the
surge
risk
is
very
high
in
charleston.
That
was.
We
knew
that,
from
the
vulnerability
analysis
that
the
city
had
done
in
2019
surge
risk
is
the
highest
highest
amount
of
risk
and
the
most
deadliest
risk
and
most
costly
risk
that
the
city
faces
from
water.
So
you
know,
let's
try
to
manage
that,
and
this
this
here
is
an
effort
to
do
that
sermon
for
the
peninsula.
A
Importantly,
for
this
optimized
plan,
the
cost
came
down
from
estimated
at
1.7
billion
dollars
down
to
1.1
billion
dollars.
They
did
that
through
a
number
of
ways.
They
studied
the
the
breakwater
that
they
had
originally
posited
off
the
off
the
south
side
of
the
battery.
They
removed
that,
because
in
further
wave
impact
and
water
level
height
analysis,
that's
that
break
water
structure
would
not
reduce
surge
impact.
So
they
were
they
eliminated.
That,
and
that
was
a
300
million
dollar
piece
of
green
infrastructure.
A
They
reduced
the
amount
of
building
that
they
would
have
to
do
in
the
marsh,
and
that
does
two
things.
Construction
in
the
marsh
is
three
to
four
times
more
expensive
than
it
is
on
land.
So,
if
you're
building
more
on
land
and
less
than
the
marsh,
your
costs
go
down.
That's
wonderful,
and
also
you
don't.
When
you're
don't
go
in
the
marsh,
you
don't
have
to
pay
the
environmental
mitigation
costs
and
the
marsh
impacts
are
substantial.
The
reduction
of
marsh
impacts
were
substantial.
A
This
optimized
plan
because
of
these
cost
savings,
the
benefits
stay
the
same,
but
the
costs
go
down,
so
the
benefit
cost
ratio
jumped
up
to
10.2
and,
as
far
as
we
know,
that
is
the
highest
vcr
for
a
similar
type.
Coastal
storm
is
management.
Project
of
anything
the
core
of
engineers
is,
is
doing
or
has
done
again.
I
say
that
with
a
bit
of
caution,
but
I
do
think
it's
if
not
the
highest.
A
It
is
one
of
the
highest
and
that's
just
a
proxy
statement
for
how
much
risk
is
here
on
the
peninsula
to
surge
impact
and
how
much
benefit
or
avoid
the
losses
you'll
get
by
doing
something
to
mitigate
that
surge.
This
is
a
a
wonderful
thing
and
and
in
a
very
simple
way,
10.2
bcr
makes
the
core
engineers
very
interested
to
get
this
funded
and
done.
A
They
now
have
in
some
way
skin
in
the
game,
because
this
would
be
a
very
attractive
project
for
them
to
to
engage
this
with
the
city
and
complete
with
the
city
to
show
that
look
what
the
federal
government
is
doing
for
this
important
place.
So
that's
important
the
corps
of
engineers
added
some
living
shorelines
in
the
areas
where
the
surge
wall
storage
structure
would
be
constructed
in
the
marsh
they've
had
some
living
shorelines
to
the
outside
of
it
and
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
to
come
from
that.
A
I
do
think
the
city
has
a
wish
to
maybe
get
more
in
ped,
we'll
come
to
that.
There's
aesthetic
mitigation,
the
core
of
engineers
added
53
million
dollars
to
the
budget
to
allow
for
aesthetic
mitigation,
which
means
how
do
we
make
this
thing?
Look
better
as
it
interacts
and
leaves
through
various
neighborhoods
there's
environmental
justice
things
that
analyze
were
analyzed
and
were
studied.
A
So
that's
going
to
be
important
in
ped,
and
so
you
know
this
is
all
very
positive
right
now,
this
city,
right
now
the
corps
of
engineers,
is
receiving
public
comments
until
october
25th
on
this
draft
optimized
plan
after
october
25th,
they
will
take
about
two
weeks
to
digest
and
to
digest
those
comments
and
adjust
the
plan.
If
that
is
needed,
and
this
isn't
a
a
rote
exercise
for
them.
They
looked
at
the
comments
submitted
in
april
for
on
the
april
2020
draft
and
they
made
some
substantial
changes
so
again.
A
A
That
will
be
turned
over
to
the
city
hey.
This
is
what
we
want
to
do.
Are
you
willing
to
step
into
the
head
phase?
For
us?
Ped
is
the
pre-construction
engineering
and
design
phase,
so
that
is
when
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
people
have
can
actually
be
answered.
There
is
a
lot
of
engineering
that
needs
to
be
done.
You
know
further
study
on
the
on
the
subsurface
condition
of
you
know
the
the
line
that
they've
optimized.
A
Can
you
construct
this
where
they
think
it
where
they
think
it
should
be
constructed?
Do
you
have
to
move
it?
What
is
the
condition
of
that
soil?
Is
there
hazardous
material
there
does
it
need
to
be
remediated,
there's
all
kinds
of
questions
that
get
answered
only
in
bed,
so
that
is
the
next
phase
and
the
city
will
be
city
council
will
be
asked
to
approve
the
money
this
year,
the
end
of
this
year
to
start
in
the
pet
at
the
beginning
of
next
year
and
the
pet
cost
total,
and
I'm
almost
done
here.
A
Sorry,
the
pet
cost
total
are
about
50
million
dollars,
one-third
of
that
will
be
borne
by
the
city,
and
that
should
be
over
three
to
five
years.
I
mean
the
core
is
estimating
a
three-year
ped,
but
I
think
people
realize
that
that
may
be
a
four-year
ped,
so
the
city
will
have
to
come
up
with
those
costs,
but
that
is
how
we
get
the
very
serious
answers
of
you
know:
can
we
build
this
thing?
Is
it
going
to
be
acceptable
to
the
city's
aesthetic
to
its
protection
level?
A
Is
it
not
going
to
cause
too
much
disruption?
Those
answers
are
what
we
do
in
ped,
so
an
important
way
to
get
more
answers,
and
if
we,
if
the
city
would
decide
not
to
move
into
ped
right
now,
we
will
forego
the
715
or
20
million
dollars
that
the
federal
government
is
willing
to
pay
right
now
to
help
the
city
reduce
its
search.
A
B
Gail,
as
you
know,
a
large
portion
of
this
project
starting
at
calhoun
street,
all
the
way
to
sunnyside
is
all
in
district
six.
So
I
am
getting
unbelievable
questions.
As
you
know,
most
of
the
questions,
however,
are
centered
around
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
do
natural
barriers,
especially
in
the
wagner,
terrace
citadel
area,
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
the
the
last,
a
briefing
that
I
did
have
showed
that
it
would
be
soft
barriers
did.
I
did.
I
interpret
that
correctly,
at
least
in
the
wagner.
Terrace
sunny
side
area.
A
No,
so
the
the
pet
phase-
one
is
indeed
from
the
coast
guard
station
up
to
the
up
to
the
lower
part
of
the
citadel
property,
so
up
wrapping
around
the
dro,
the
the
joe
o'reilly
stadium
and
then
coming
to
that
marsh.
That's
right
there
that
is
ped
phase.
One
pen
phase
four
will
be
from
the
top
side
of
the
citadel
wrapping
up
around
the
sunny
side
and
the
rifle
the
rifle
club,
that's
pet
phase,
four,
so
pet
phase
one.
A
We
certainly
believe
so
that
would
be
brittle
bank
park
and
up
around
the
joe
that
there
could
be
much
more
natural
surgeries
mitigation
done
for
that
there
is
space
there.
The
ped
phase,
four
for
waggoner
terrace,
that
is
still
is
a
combo
wall
demand.
This
is
just
this
is
the
study
phase
right.
This
is
the
tsp
phase.
It
is
still
designed
as
a
combo
wall,
which
is
a
cement
structure,
cement
and
steel
structure
that
sits
35
feet
approximately
off
the
high
water,
the
the
water
land
edge.
A
So
it
is
a
concrete
structure.
So
that
is
the
reason
for
that
is
nature.
Based
features
tend
to
operate
at
at
the
water
level.
Just
below
the
water
level
or
just
above
the
water
level
and
a
surge
event
will
come
in
with
eight
feet
of
surge
on
top
of
the
normal
water
level
or
seven
feet
of
surge,
and
they
drown
that
surge
drowns.
A
The
nature
based
feature,
so
we
could
think
about
ways
to
get
layers
of
nature
based
features
which
would
have
the
surge
risk
mitigation
benefit
of
a
concrete
wall
or
a
structure.
But
that
is
something
that
we
do
in
ped
and
wagner.
Terrace
will
be
the
final
phase
of
this
project,
and
so
many
you
may
or
may
not
know,
but
the
army
corps
of
engineers
has
a
program
called
engineering
with
nature.
So
it's
the
nature-based
feature
component
of
the
army
corps
engineers.
A
It
has
just
gotten
new
life
in
some
ways
in
the
last
year
after
biden,
whatever
this
year
was,
was
he's
energized
this
committee,
or
this
portion
of
the
army
corps
engineers,
folks
at
the
water
institute,
where
I
used
to
work,
they
are
working
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers
to
study
better
how
federal
processes
governing
the
army
corps
engineers
can
can
quantify
the
benefits
of
nature-based
features
so
that
they
can
achieve
the
same
level
of
protection
that
concrete
and
steel
does.
So
we
do
think
over
the
next
four
or
five
years.
A
The
army
corps
of
engineers,
engineer
with
engineer
with
nature
program,
is
going
to
have
more
muscle
and
more
funding
to
do
the
research
so
that
we
could
see
if,
in
fact,
we
could
have
more
natural
based
features
to
mitigate
the
same
amount
of
surge
as
the
current
structure.
Does
it's
a
long
answer?
So
it's
a
tbd
kind
of
answer,
but
there
is
a
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
get
there
by
the
time
we
get
to
wagner
terrace.
A
Sure
again,
there
is
a
living
shoreline
that
has
been
designed
to
help
maintain
that
marsh.
So
so
the
marsh
itself
provides
some
tidal
risk
mitigation
and
probably
all
kind
of
good.
You
know
critter
and
plant
kind
of
benefits
right.
So
that's
a
it's
an
important
asset,
environmental
asset
and
it
does
provide
flood
risk
mitigation
benefits.
It
just
doesn't
do
well
against
surge
because
surge
comes
in
and
just
drowns
it.
So
the
wall
stops
that
surge
from
hitting
homes
and
peoples
and
cars.
A
People
in
cars
that
the
a
nature
based
feature
won't
do
that,
but
you
could,
in
theory,
set
up
a
robust
marsh
with
maybe
a
little
berm
in
it
and
then
more
burn
protection
at
the
edge
to
to
to
achieve
the
same
level
of
benefit
surge
risk
benefit,
but
that's
something
that
has
to
be
studied
and
keep
in
mind
that
the
cost
of
that
is
tricky
because
building
in
the
marsh
is
expensive
and
you
have
to
pay
environmental
mitigation
costs.
To
do
that.
A
You
know
the
resource
agencies,
fish
and
wildlife,
dhec
they're,
going
to
extract
the
payment
for
that
which
is
which
is
their
job.
So
we
have
to
you're
gonna
have
to
look
at
that.
One
thing
that's
possible
and
we're
very
careful
with
saying
with
it,
but
given
the
way
the
land
form
is
in
wagner
terrace
and
I
think
it's
rutledge
and
the
citadel
it
is
possible
to
sever
wagner
terrace
off
of
the
rest
of
the
peninsula
from
a
surge
risk
structure
that
is
possible.
A
So
there
is
that's
a
tricky
discussion
and
I
don't
want
to
go
down
that
road
yet
or
we
shouldn't
go
down
the
road
yet,
but
that
is
an
option
because
of
the
elevation
the
way
the
elevation
works
through
the
middle
of
the
of
the
peninsula
and
then
cuts
over
through
through
the
citadel
and
hampton
park
that
area.
So
there's
elevation
there
that
you
could
sever
wagner
terrace
off
of
off
of
the
the
peninsula
study.
A
Well,
king
street
is
very
high.
Parts
of
wagner.
Terrace
are
pretty
high
too
right,
so
yeah
it
I
mean
it.
You
have
fairly
good
elevation
there
and
so
the
structure,
that's
you
know
it's
not
a
12-foot
structure
popping
out
of
the
top
of
the
marsh
depending
upon
how
the
marsh
the
level
of
the
marsh
there.
The
third
structure
may
in
fact
only
need
to
be
seven
feet
in
that
marsh.
A
That
sounds
awful,
but
if
it's
offshore
the
visual
disturbance
there
becomes
less
the
further
away,
it
is
again
these
are
things
to
be
studied
that
can
only
be
studied
and
detailed
and
ted.
So
there's
just
wonderful
important
questions
that
citizens
are
asking
and
we're
thankful
that
they're
engaged,
but
we
don't
have
answers
yet
because
they
haven't
been
fully
studied
again.
This
is
a
three
million
dollar
study.
You
can't
study
eight
miles
of
peninsula
for
three
million
bucks
and
get
perfect
answers
on
everything
right.
E
Thank
you.
I
I'm
sorry
to
say
that
the
longer
that
dale
and
councilmember
gregory
talk
the
more.
I
would
like
to
add
a
few
things,
but
my
main
question
in
raising
my
hand
earlier,
though,
is
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
yes,
the
ped
process,
the
four
phases
that
are
going
to
be
undertaken,
one
phase
at
a
time
and
it's
not
an
even
payment
portion
right.
So
I
I
would
like
to.
E
A
Yeah,
that
is
correct,
so
every
year
in
head
and
if
you
get
through
pet
and
we
can
design
a
structure
that
works
for
the
city
with
the
core
of
engineers
and
get
their
federal
payment,
then
every
year
in
construction,
the
core
will
say:
okay
next
year,
we're
going
to
need
x
amount,
so
getting
through
pet
is
important,
because
it's
only
then
will
we
have
a
better
assessment.
Is
this
structure,
something
we
wanted
to
build
right
and
part
of
the
wanting
is,
is:
does
it
work
for
the
city?
A
Is
it
not
a
gray
structure
like
you
have
in
new
orleans
that
is
just
ugly
and,
and
you
know
not
approachable
and
the
city
design
division
has
great
ideas
about
this.
They've
been
working
on
for
some
time,
so
moving
into
ped
pet
phase,
one
it's
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
that's
to
that's.
To
set
up
the
scope
set
up
the
contracting
set
up
the
programmatic
agreements
and
to
do
to
start
the
interior
hydrology
study,
which
is
an
essential
part
of
this
and
then
year,
depending
how
that
goes
year.
A
Two
could
see
more
expense
from
four
more
deeper
studies
about.
You
know
what
is
what
does
the
subsurface
look
like?
How
far
do
you
have
to
go
down?
Are
there
bad
soils
or
are
the
good
soils
there?
Is
this
road
accessible?
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
questions
there.
That's
going
to
have
to
be
answered.
Pet
phase.
One
I
want
to
I
want
to
stress-
is
lockwood,
so
it's
again
coast
guard
up
to
the
joe.
The
reason
that
we
did
the
dutch
dialogues.
A
It
wasn't
just
the
mayor's
persuasion
playing
piano
at
the
ambassador's
residence.
It
was
in
fact
our
look,
quick
and
dirty
look
at
the
risks
to
the
medical
district
and
what
that
would
mean
for
health
care
provisioning
to
the
rest
of
the
region.
That
area
is
so
vulnerable
and
it
was.
This
was
the
right
thing
to
look
at.
So
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
that
dale
and
david
came
to
new
orleans.
Sorry
to
charleston,
because
of
that.
E
We'll
hear
you
of
that,
so
thank
you
and
now,
listening
to
your
conversation
with
councilmember
gregory,
I
just
would
like
to
go
on
my
soapbox
a
minute.
I
I
feel
like
it's
it's
it's
very
challenging.
I've
sat
in
on
a
lot
of
the
three
by
three
by
three
advisory
committee
meetings
and
you
know
we're
basically
making
decisions
in
an
unknown
set
of
set
of
formulaic
circumstances,
and
so
my
soapbox
is.
E
So
thinking
about
you
know
having
to
solve
the
wagner
terrace
solutions
now
when
we
know
that
expertise
and
the
army
corps
is
going
to
be
learning
by
doing
and
being
encouraged
to
spend
more
money
for
the
kinds
of
solutions
we
would
all
love
to
have
in
charleston.
I
think
we
should
just
take
heart
that
we've
got
that
time
and
we
have
that,
knowing
that
we
can
count
on
the
technology.
That's
gonna,
you
know
basically
improve
things,
and
then
can
we
send
out
the
design
center
draft
report
to
this
group.
A
So
alan-
and
I
we've
picked
around
this
idea
of
when
to
release
it
to
the
public.
You
know:
allen
ellen
the
city,
design,
design
division
been
working
for
three
years
on
this,
and
I'm
going.
To
paraphrase
what
alan
said
yesterday,
alan,
when
he
heard
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
was
hey,
I'm
from
the
government
I'm
here
to
help.
He
was
sorry
hell.
No,
I
mean
he
was
just
like.
A
No,
we
don't
want
you,
we
don't
want
you
and
he
worked
with
with
with
the
wagon
ball
team,
but
with
the
corps
of
engineers
over
the
last
number
of
years
and
has
said,
wait
a
minute.
I
misunderstood
the
process
and
he
is
now
a
proponent
of
moving
into
ped
and
he
has
created
a
marker,
a
compendium,
a
negotiation
strategy
for
the
city
to
design
a
structure
that
works
for
the
city.
That
said
his
work
is
never
done.
He's
too
hyper
creative
and
his
team
is
hyper
creative.
A
So
he
needs
to
tidy
up
the
draft
to
make
it
a
real
draft.
So
I
think
that
will
occur
in
the
next
two
weeks.
It
will
clearly
occur
before
a
planned
city
council
workshop
on
this
on
october
21st.
So
that'll
be
the
time
we
should
we
could
share
it.
Allen
has
some
editing
to
do
and
things
like
that,
but.
E
F
Mr
mayor,
thank
you
real
quick
question.
I
think
first
first
a
comment
and
then
a
question.
The
comment
is,
I
think,
emphasizing
that
this
is
a
process
rather
than
buying
a
wall
is
really
really
important.
As
we
talk
to
the
chamber,
members
of
many
of
them
have
this
concept,
but
the
decision
we're
about
to
make
is
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
buy
wall
as
opposed
to
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
continue
into
a
process.
So
I
think
the
more
we
emphasize
that
the
better
that's
my
comment.
F
My
question
is:
can
we
have
a
little
bit
better
and
fuller
understanding
of
what
the
next
couple
of
years
cash
flow
would
might
look
like?
You've
indicated
that
pet
phase
one
would
be
400
000,
but
then
what
might
be
the
second
year
third
year
fourth
year,
so
we
can
get
a
better
sense
of
what
that
impact
is
on
the
budget
of
the
city
and
then
last.
F
A
A
What
it
would
do,
can
it
be
constructed
and
is
it
something
we
want
so
again,
there's
a
there's
sort
of
four
buckets
there
that
we
have
to
look
at
so
you're
right.
We're
look
we're
agreeing
to
study
more
because
if
we
say
we
don't
want
to
study
more
the
federal
money,
750
million
dollars
of
today's
estimate
is
going
away.
The
corps
of
engineers
will
say
we're
done
and
we'll
go
we'll
go
to
places
that
want
us
will
want
to
work
with
us,
and
that
would
be
the
simple
mind.
A
The
simple
question
is
is:
if,
if
we
want
a
surge
structure
to
mitigate
the
surgeries
which
is
the
highest,
there
is
for
the
city
and
we
think
the
385
million
dollars
that
the
core
is
saying
the
city's
responsible
now
is
is
too
expensive.
Well,
a
surge
event
is
more
expensive
than
that
and
it's
coming.
A
I
mean
we
know
these
things
will
come
and
it
may
not
come
next
year
may
not
come
in
10
years,
but
in
the
next
50
years,
we'll
get
one
and
it'll
be
ugly
and
deadly
and
it'll
take
a
decade
for
the
city
to
recover.
So
that's
that's
what
we're
talking
about!
We
need
to
study
how
to
solve
this.
To
mitigate
this
risk.
That's
one
pet
phase
through
federal
policy
pet
can
cost
no
more
than
seven
percent
of
the
first
cost
estimate,
so
seven
percent
of
1.1
billion
can
cost
no
more
than
that.
A
It
is
the
the
core
of
engineers
estimate
because
they've
been
doing
these
is
they
think
ped
will
cost
50
million
so
less
than
seven
percent
the
city's
on
the
re
on
the
hook
for
35
of
that
so
about
17
million
dollars
17.1
the
first
year
cost
of
400k
second
year
cost.
If
everything
goes
right
could
be
two
to
three
million
and
then
the
success
years
would
go
up
a
little
bit
until
we
hit
that
sort
of
cap
of
seven
of
17
million.
A
That
option
is
always
at
the
city,
so
there's
two
parties
and
they
both
have
to
agree
to
go
to
the
next
year
and
if
the
course
says
we
need
four
and
the
city
says:
well,
we
only
have
two.
Then
that's
what
you
do.
I
mean
that's,
what
that's
what
happens
and
you
gotta
watch
the
efficiency
of
study
costs
because
there's
mobilization
and
demobilization
right,
but
ideally
this
could
be
done
in
four
three
three
to
five
years.
Four
years.
That's
that's
my
target!
So
that's
what
you're!
A
C
C
Time
flies,
which
which
brings
brings
my
thinking
about
the
long
term
of
this,
and
it
kind
of
reiterates
the
point
that
councilmember
jackson
made.
If
you
think
50
years
out
from
now-
and
I
saw
that
y'all
saw
that
article
week
before
last
about
greenland
and
all
the
icebergs
melting
up
there
y'all.
This
is
really
happening
on
our
planet
and
and
this
project,
if
we
get
it
right,
not
only
protects
us
from
surge,
that's
a
primary
purpose,
but
will
make
a
significant
difference
for
sea
level
rise
and
for
tidal
activity.
C
C
You
know
we
go
through
the
the
money
to
really
engineer
this
thing
and
and
get
it
down
to
a
science
and
and
answer
all
these
questions
we
may
still
decide
you
know
it's
not
worth
it
or
maybe
the
ice
isn't
melting
that
much
anymore.
We
just
decide
to
take
the
risk,
but
I
I
just
kind
of
feel
like
we
owe
it
to
ourselves
to
to
to
figure
it
out
and
and
be
able
to
make
that
intelligent
decision.
A
Mr
mayor
and
and
members
of
the
of
the
committee
here
I
want
to
make
one
more
point
and
it's,
and
it's
rather
selfish
from
the
city
of
charleston
perspective,
but
I'm
now
a
citizen
or
I'm.
No,
I'm
not
one
of
you,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
show
that.
So,
as
the
mayor
said,
this
surge
wall
will
wrap
the
peninsula
and
it
will
have
gates
in
it.
There
will
be
pump
stations
that
are
needed
in
it
to
pump
the
water
that
it
impounds.
A
So
a
surge
event
comes,
let's
say
it's
a
13
foot
surge
13
foot
nav
to
88
one
foot
of
water
goes
over
the
top,
so
the
core
of
engineers
has
to
calculate.
What's
the
likelihood
of
that
probability
of
that
and
say:
okay,
we
have
to
pump
that
water
out
they're
responsible
for
doing
that.
So
they're
gonna
put
five
permanent
and
five
temporary
pump
stations.
That's
their
design
right
now
and
they're
gonna
pay,
two
thirds
that
and
the
city
will
pay
one.
A
C
G
G
So
basically
we
have,
we
have
community
groups
can
request
an
ambassador
or
a
speaker
of
their
choice
to
come,
join
their
next
meeting
or
event
could
be
anything
really
the
ambassador.
This
first
cohort
is
working
from
september
through
january,
and
then,
ideally,
we
would
start
another
cohort
in
january
and
have
different
content,
different
presentation
and
new
goals
for
that
to
share
with
the
community
and
the
ambassadors
are
really
presenting
on
you
know
what
are
the
climate
impacts
in
charleston?
What
is
this
new
climate
action
plan?
G
What
is
the
city
working
on
to
address
carbon
pollution
and
also
probably
most
important?
How
can
everyone
help
be
part
of
a
community-wide
solution,
because
we
know
this
can't
just
be
on
city
government,
so
we
have
a
web
page
that
has
all
of
our
22
volunteers
that
have
all
been
trained
and
certified
to
give
this
presentation.
G
Their
pictures
and
bios
are
all
online,
so
you
can
actually
choose
which
ambassador
you
would
like
to
present
at
your
meeting.
We
also
have
received
some
business
support
to
help
provide
some
merch
and
giveaway
to
incentivize
participation.
So
there's
some
contests
for
the
ambassadors
to
win
some
fun.
Merch
and
also
wrap
raffles
for
the
participants
to
take
action,
so
we
thank
our
partner
costa
for
that
and
here's
some
results
of
the
program.
So
far,
so
we've
only
been
in
action
for
about
a
month.
G
We
are
looking
for
more
opportunities,
so
we
we've
put
it
out
to
a
lot
of
folks
and
would
appreciate
you
all
sharing
it
with
your
networks
and
groups.
You
know
like
I
said
it
could
be
anyone
so
nonprofits
schools,
businesses,
houses
of
worship,
neighborhoods
associations,
clubs,
anyone
interested
in
learning
more
and
interested
in
finding
ways
to
help.
G
I
think
that
is
all
I
have
on
the
ambassador
program.
I
wanted
to
also
share
that.
There's
a
couple
other
big
projects
we're
working
on
to
implement
the
climate
action
plan
too
so
really
quickly.
We
we
received
a
grant
from
scdhec
to
pilot
a
compost
program
for
residential
users,
where
we'd
actually
create
some
drop
sites
around
the
city,
so
we're
working
on
the
logistics
of
that
and
hope
that
will
come
out
this
winter.
G
Potentially
starting
january
1st,
we
are
also
working
with
our
three
fleet
directors
on
creating
a
fleet
transition
plan
to
transition
our
fleet
to
alternative
and
more
environmentally
friendly
fuel.
We
also
are
working
on
a
new
communication
and
outreach
plan
that,
hopefully
we
requested
a
new
outreach
engagement
staff
person
in
our
budget
this
year.
So
hopefully
that's
something
that
new
person
can
take
off
running
with
next
year
and
then,
of
course,
we
are
finishing
up
our
mattress
recycling
pilot
program
and
looking
at
ways.
G
We
can
continue
that
in
the
future,
as
it's
been
successful
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
moment
and
then
phasing
in
some
alternatives
to
gas-powered
leak,
blowers,
which
we'll
also
talk
about
in
a
moment.
So
before
I
move
on,
are
there
any
questions
about
the
ambassador
program
or
comments,
and
I
will
say
stuart
and
councilwoman
jackson
and
christine
are
all
ambassadors.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
for
being
part
of
the
crowd.
C
Well,
that's
great,
I
I
believe,
with
the
with
the
numbers
going
down
with
kovid
and
more
people
meeting
in
person
that
maybe
you'll
get
some
more
offers
or
more
requests.
I
should
say
for
ambassadors
I
was
on
with
my
youth
commission
last
night.
They
not
only
want
a
presentation,
but
some
of
our
high
schoolers
would
like
to
become
ambassadors
as
well,
which
I
think
would
be
great,
and
I
think
you've
already
put
the
word
out
to
our
neighborhood
association
network.
C
C
F
G
G
So
this
program,
basically
we
created
a
drop
site.
We've
been
doing
it
at
milford
street
and
residents
can
bring
their
mattresses
there
to
be
recycled
for
free.
If
they
aren't
able
to
to
transport
them,
they
can
schedule
a
pickup
online
and
there's
a
private
company
called
bedshed
that
will
arrange
all
that
for
them.
G
Our
test
period
was
from
january
1st
and
it
will
go
through
december
31st
and
that's
when
the
grant
will
end-
and
I
wanted
to
share
some
results
so
far,
so
we've
actually
recycled
368
mattresses
so
far
and
that
it
has
diverted
over
nine
tons
of
waste
from
our
landfill
and
saving
over
twelve
thousand
cubic
feet
of
space
in
the
landfill,
which
is
pretty
impressive.
This
has
cost
us
about
six
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
about
seventeen
dollars
a
piece
and
our
residents
seem
really
happy
with
this.
G
I've
received
a
lot
of
great
feedback
about
this
program,
so
after
december
31st
we
would
run
out
of
funding.
We
have
thought
this
program
was
pretty
successful
and
have
put
a
request
into
our
fy
22
budget
in
the
environmental
management
budget
to
continue
this
program.
So
that's
I'm
sure
something.
The
add-on
budget
committee
is
considering
and
we're
also
in
conversations
with
charleston
county
who's,
also
very
intrigued
by
the
data,
and
they
are
interested
in
potentially
expanding
the
program
county-wide
and
looking
at
some
opportunities
to
partner
with
us.
So
we'll
continue
working
on
that.
E
G
E
G
F
C
C
So
and
just
to
let
you
know,
I
mean
a
lot
of
citizens,
don't
know
about
this,
they
put
their
mattresses
out.
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
I
pay
attention
to
trash
when
I
see
it
put
out
I'll,
often
call
and
report
our
citizens
putting
out
mattresses
and
have
them
picked
up
for
the
recycling
program,
even
though
the
citizen
didn't
even
know
it
so
join
me
in
being
a
reporter
of
mattresses.
C
G
G
Respiratory
concerns
there's,
of
course,
noise
and
quality
of
life
issues.
We've
received
a
lot
of
concerns
from
residents
who
are
unhappy
with
the
noise
and
leaf
blowers.
Have
that
inconsistent
home?
That's
constantly
going
up
and
down
so
that
makes
it
harder
to
handle
too.
There
are
also
water
quality
issues
so
anytime,
you
know
you're
refueling,
these
and
mixing
the
oil
and
gas
there's
usually
spillage
and,
of
course,
there's
greenhouse
gas
pollution
too.
So
these
these
pieces
of
equipment
put
out
lots
of
emissions
and
toxic
air
pollution,
and
there
there's
actually
a
study.
G
G
There
has
been
action
across
the
whole
country.
Over
100
cities
have
taken
actions.
There
has
also
been
action
in
other
southeast
cities,
as
you
can
see
from
this
list
here.
Lots
in
florida,
some
in
north
carolina
and
kiwa
island,
is
actually
in
the
middle
of
testing.
Some
electric
options
right
now
and
they're
willing
to
share
their
data
with
us
too.
G
I
did
do
some
research
to
learn
from
other
landscaping
companies,
so
I
was
able
to
contact
16
companies.
Four
of
those
have
tried
electric
so
far,
two
are
using
electric
currently
very
successfully.
They
are
using
them
on
smaller
sites.
Typically
residential-
and
I
would
say
many
companies
that
I
that
I
talked
with
are
very
supportive
of
a
transition
to
electric.
They
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
technology
is
adequate
to
make
sure
they're
meeting
their
needs
and
are
able
to
perform
their
functions
so
their
their.
G
Their
top
concerns
were
that
the
power
and
air
flow
of
the
electric
versions
is
really
not
comparable
to
the
gas
powered
yet
especially
applicable
to
those
larger
sites,
and
there
there
certainly
is
a
higher
up
front
cost,
especially
because
you
have
to
purchase
the
extra
batteries
adapters
and
chargers.
The
blowers
themselves
are
fairly
comparable.
It's
the
extra
equipment
that
makes
it
more
expensive
and,
of
course,
there
is
some
savings
and
maintenance
there
not
having
to
purchase
so
much
fuel.
G
Well,
there's
not
a
ton
of
data
on
that
information
right
now,
but
from
from
talking
to
landscaping
companies,
you
know
they
were
very
amenable
to
willing
to
and
willing
to
do
more
research
on
this
and
keep
testing
certain
products.
So
there
are
also
some
incent
incentives.
We
could
pursue
to
help
smooth
this
transition,
so
there
are
a
bunch
of
utilities
across
the
country
that
offer
rebates,
and
I
know
that's
something
that
we
could
consider
here.
G
There
are
also
programs,
such
as
like
a
leaf
blower
exchange
program
that
I'll
just
mention
a
little
more
about
it's,
basically
an
opportunity
for
residents
to
trade
in
their
gas
powered
blowers
for
an
electric
version,
and
we
could
host
an
event
at
a
equipment
retailer
they
would
offer.
You
know
resources.
G
Demos
have
manufacturers
on
site
to
help
answer
questions
maybe
provide
a
discount
that
day
and
if
we
could
get
some
funding,
we
could
create
a
voucher
program
where
we
could
actually
say
you
know:
here's
50
off
or
whatever
for
exchanging
your
your
equipment
and
then,
of
course,
there's
an
element
to
responsibly
dispose
of
that
old
equipment
and
get
rid
of
those
fluids
properly.
So
this
is
something
that
we're
able
to
do.
We
are
seeking
more
partners
and
funding.
G
So
basically,
we
are
recommending
to
consider
a
resolution,
since
the
electric
works
really
well
on
the
smaller
areas,
especially
the
paved
areas,
our
parks
department's
done
some
great
tests
on
the
electric
and
really
feel
these
should
be
suitable
for
our
city
needs.
So
this
this
idea
to
adopt
a
resolution
for
now
and
and
then
we
could
re-evaluate
our
progress
in
a
year
and
see
if
any
further
action
needs
to
be
taken,
and
this
resolution
I'll.
G
Let
mallory
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
now,
but
basically
it
would
commit
us
to
leading
by
example
and
transitioning
our
blowers
first
and
then
reevaluating
everything
in
a
year.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mallory,
and
then
we
also
have
michael
cunningham
has
from
carolina.
Landscape
is
one
of
our
local
red
landscaping.
G
Companies
that
uses
electric
right
now,
especially
on
a
lot
of
downtown
properties,
so
he's
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
hit
what
his
company
has
done
and
if
you
have
any
questions
for
any
of
us
after
that,
we'd
be
welcome
to
that.
So
mallory
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing
my
screen.
If
you
want
to
take
over.
D
Hi
mayor
hi,
marrying
committee
members.
I
think
this
is
the
first
time
I've
gotten
to
work
with
y'all.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
all
your
work
that
you're
doing
for
these
important
projects
with
the
city.
I've
really
enjoyed
getting
to
work
with
katie.
I
think
this
is
a
very
interesting
project,
as
you
can
see
from
her
presentation.
She's
done
a
lot
of
research
and
a
lot
of
groundwork
already
to
kind
of
lay
a
foundation
for
this.
D
G
D
Hopefully,
you
all
can
see
that,
so
what
this
resolution
is
doing
is
one
laying
out
the
groundwork
that
obviously
leaf
blowers
are
commonly
used,
especially
for
landscaping
purposes.
They
have.
We
have
received
complaints
regarding
leaf
blowers,
especially
towards
the
noise,
but
also
concerns
about
environmental
issues.
D
D
The
first
is
to
have
the
city
itself
eliminate
all
gasoline-powered
leaf
blowers,
we're
giving
city
katie's
already
alerted
on
the
departments
that
use
the
majority
of
these
gasoline-powered
leaf
blowers.
Our
goal
is
to
have
them
eliminated
on
by
july,
1st
2023
that
will
allow
for
proper
budgeting
to
go
forward,
as
well
as
having
any
trials
to
test
the
products
ahead
of
time.
D
The
second
thing
that
the
city
is
going
to
be
doing
on
this
katie's
already
kind
of
outlined,
is
doing
education
to
educate
the
public
and
businesses
about
the
importance
of
switching
to
more
efficient
leaf
blowers,
as
well
as
the
feasibility
of
it.
I
think
those
buy
back
programs
and
other
incentive
programs
are
important.
She's
already
done
a
you
know,
kind
of
got
the
groundwork
for
any
of
that
to
move
forward.
D
The
next
thing
this
resolution
will
help
encourage,
would
be
to
further
encourage
and
challenge
the
businesses
and
residents
to
use
the
gasoline.
I
mean
to
use
the
electric
powers
leaf
blowers
and
consider
other
alternatives,
as
I
know
that
it's
come
out
in
the
research
there's,
obviously
other
landscape
equipment
that
could
be
upgraded
so
hopefully,
through
these
educational
periods,
people
not
just
stop
at
the
leaf
blowers,
but
do
other
more
energy
efficient
means,
as
katie
also
stated.
We
would
like
to
very
much
monitor
this.
D
We
hope
that
the
city
would
report
back
within
a
year
to
see
the
effectiveness
of
any
of
the
incentive
or
buyback
programs,
as
well
as
how
the
city's
been
able
to
implement
its
transition.
I
think
some
of
the
testing
that
we
do
in
terms
of
the
equipment
that
works
or
doesn't
work
for
us
will
be
very
important
in
terms
of
how
we
move
forward,
whether
or
not
we
need
to
adopt
a
resolute.
You
know
continue
with
this
resolution.
D
C
H
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
mayor
and
council
members
for
having
me
michael
cunningham,
I'm
the
maintenance,
landscape,
maintenance
manager
for
carolina
landscape.
We
design,
build
and
maintain
company
in
the
area
since
1958
our
transition
from
gas
powered
equipment
to
electric
has
been
pretty
smooth.
We
we've
been
experimenting
with
it
for
the
last
five
years,
the
last
year
and
a
half
we've
really
purchased
a
number
of
equipment
and,
as
katie
was
saying,
we
primarily
use
electric
equipment
downtown.
H
The
reason
that
we
moved
in
that
direction
is
that
our
industry
started
bringing
up
the
the
idea
of
doing
this
mostly
for
noise.
Noise
is
the
number
one
factor
that
you
know
in
terms
of
complaints
or
really
compliments
when
we're
using
the
the
electric
equipment,
but
also
especially
in
the
smaller
courtyard
gardens,
downtown.
H
H
So
I
I
think
the
big
pushback
with
other
landscape
companies
and
and
of
course
we
had
it
as
well
was-
is
this
equipment
going
to
work
as
well
as
the
gas
powered?
Is
it
powerful
enough?
Is
it
easily
to
you
know
the?
Are
the
batteries
going
to
last
long
enough?
Are
they
easily
charged?
Does
the
equipment
actually
hold
up
to
the
rigors
of
commercial
landscaping
and
we've
we've
found?
In
fact
they
have.
H
We
are
not
even
using
the
commercial
grade
of
steel,
lawnmowers,
push
mowers
and
we,
I
guess
we
have
four
or
five
of
those
right
now
we
haven't
had
to
replace
any
of
them.
The
batteries
are
holding
up,
we
use
two
batteries
per
mower
and
we
can
go
the
entire
day
without
losing
charges
for
the
for
the
the
blowers.
H
We
have
blowers
that
actually
have
a
drop
in
battery
that
are
powerful
enough,
but
we
also
have
a
more
powerful
electric
blower
that
has
a
backpack
battery
of
about
15
pounds
that
you
wear
and
those
blowers
are
extremely
powerful
enough
to
rival.
You
know
the
gas
powered
blower
so
we're
we're.
We
are
absolutely
all
in
with
the
electric
machines
we
use:
hedge
trimmers
and
edgers,
and
string
trimmers
and
and
chainsaws.
E
You
know
blowing
it
into
the
storm
drain
openings.
So
we
can,
we
can
call
consolidated
dispatch
and
they
will
they
will.
They
will
enforce
sometimes
they'll
bring
livability
in,
but
I've
I've
done
that
out
here
on
james
allen,
where
they
literally
will
send
whoever's
on
duty
from
you
know,
for
us,
it's
city
or
sheriff's
department,
because
they
know
that's
a
violation.
So
I
think
we
should
all
start
doing
that
on
a
regular.
C
There
we
go
any
opposed
yeah.
I
think
it's
a
good
way
to
go
at
this
point
to
do
it
by
way
of
resolution.
Let
the
city
we're
not
we're.
Setting
an
example.
You
might
say
we're
following
michael's
example
with
carolina
landscape,
we're
a
little
behind
them,
but
we'll
be
next
in
line
behind
you,
michael
and
hopefully
setting
the
pace
for
more
conversion
to
electric.
I
know
I've
done
it
with
with
my
tools
at
home,
and
I
I
love
it.