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City of Charleston Smokestack Committee Meeting 12/17/20
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A
A
Yeah,
so
I
I
guess
you,
you
represent
the
foundation,
charleston
historic
foundation
in
this
matter
and
glad
to
have
you
as
a
part
of
it,
and-
and
maybe
you
heard
by
way
of
your
absence
or
or
that
or
the
change
up
from
mr
clement
to
you
since
you
weren't
here
last
time.
We
we
asked
you
to
do
most
of
the
work
and
be
our
chairman.
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B
A
B
B
Okay,
well,
I
guess
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
good
afternoon.
Everyone.
My
name
is
william
applegate
and
honored
to
be
serving
as
the
chair
on
this
commission
to
look
at
the
smokestacks
and
obviously
it's
a
very
interesting
part
of
our
city
and
this
these
stacks
had
been
obviously
decommissioned
back
in
the
50s
and
the
city
and
the
people
of
charleston
have
been
working
to
preserve
them
for
over
six
decades
and
now
we're
a
little
bit
at
a
crossroads
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
them.
B
We
have
big
picture
issues
here.
Looking
at
the
storm,
water
and
flooding
in
this
area,
the
grace
you
know,
bridge
corridor
being
super
important
part
of
the
city.
So
you
know
what
we
do
here
is
very
important
and
it's
exciting
opportunity-
and
I
know
the
city's
been
studying
this
issue
hard
for
for
four
or
five
years.
B
B
F
B
C
H
A
B
And
then
you
know
we
were
going
to
confirm
everyone
is,
has
received
the
the
inspection
reports,
as
everybody
in
the
commission
receive
the
inspection
reports
got
it
okay
and
I
guess,
as
a
housekeeping
matter.
I
guess
I
do
want
to
make
sure
at
some
point
that
we
can
circle
up
and
maybe
I'll
send
an
email
later.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
there's
any
information
that
anybody
on
the
commission
doesn't
have,
I'm
still
kind
of
piecing
together
make
sure
I
have
everything
we
need.
D
I'll
be
glad
to
I'm
good.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Let's
see,
let
me
I'm
going
to
do
this.
If
I
may,
I've
got
a
I've
got
a
brief
group
of
slides
that
I
I'd
love
to
I'd
love
to
use.
If
I
I
don't
know
whether
let
me
see
if
I
can
simply
share
my
screen
from
right
here,
if
I
can,
that
would
be
the
simplest
and
and
if
not,
I
might
have
to
ask
you
to
figure
out
how
to
give
me
permission
now.
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D
D
We've
we've
seen
that
the
south
chimney
is
in
the
internal
liner
is
in
slightly
better
condition
than
that
of
the
north
chimney,
but,
but
likewise
quite
damaged
and
and
and
also
excuse
me.
Also.
It's
significant
risk
that
if,
if
it
were
to
collapse
it
could
it
could
take
out
the
the
shell
of
the
chimneys,
which
would
be
a
very
dangerous
situation.
D
Okay
and
I'll
show
you
what
the
what
the
schedule
looks
like
and
what
cost
estimates
look
like,
and
and
at
this
stage
we
have
cost
estimates
that
we
ourselves
have
presented
have
developed
for
the
for
the
city
back
in
september.
We
have
additional
cost
estimates
from
international
chimney
or
updated
cost
estimates
from
international
chimney
and
and
we'll
we'll
share
all
of
this
okay
and
then
I'll.
Stop
for
questions
it's.
D
D
We're
going
to
demolish
the
liners
of
the
chimneys,
we're
going
to
repoint
the
interior
repair,
the
exterior
install
the
vertical
tie
down
straps
within
the
chimneys
and
re-point
the
exterior
shell
of
the
chimneys
and
install
horizontal
new
horizontal
bands,
remove
the
old
ones
re-point
any
areas
that
were
missed
because
of
the
bands
and
then
do
a
bunch
of
smaller
tasks
and
I'll
go
over.
This
okay,
first,
this
is
one
of
the
existing
chimneys.
Only
one
of
the
two
is
shown
right
here,
but
there
are
two
of
them.
D
Of
course,
our
first
thing
we'll
have
to
do
a
contractor
will
have
to
do,
is
to
go
in
and
remove
the
the
liners
that
are
there
now
demolish
those
lawyers.
That's
going
to
be
a
pretty
tricky
operation,
because,
if
you
you
all
saw
pictures
last
time
of
the
liners
and-
and
you
know
that
they're
they're
very
close
to
to
failure
in
some
places,
the
the
bricks
have
already
started
peeling
away
at
some
places,
some
of
them
have
already
fallen.
D
D
Do
this
kind
of
work,
one
on
my
international
chimney,
headset
or
now,
icc
commonwealth
is
the
name
of
the
company,
but
they
said
they've
they've
actually
had
one
of
these
chimneys,
where
they
were
quite
concerned
that
this
was
gonna
happen
and
that
they
were
going
to
have
a
catastrophic
failure
of
the
liner,
and
so
they
were
actually
disassembling
from
a
bucket
hanging
from
a
cable
on
a
crane
and
and
sure
enough.
The
thing
did
that's
exactly
what
happened.
D
The
liner
collapsed,
it
took
out,
took
out
part
of
the
chimney
and
they
were
left
sitting
in
a
bucket
up
in
the
air
and
held
by
a
crane
with
with
no
chimney
beneath
them,
and
so
it's
it
is
a
particularly
risky
operation.
Doing
that.
So
we,
after
that's
done,
though,
the
the
interior,
the
of
that
exterior
shell,
is
going
to
have
to
be
repointed
all
the
way
around
on
the
interior.
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D
Then,
after
that,
we'll
repair
the
cracks
in
the
exterior
shell
of
the
of
the
chimney
as
you
as
you
saw
on
the
very
first
slide
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
there
we
go
there
are
there's
severe
cracking
in
there.
As
a
matter
of
fact
this
and
this
these
are
remnants,
and
here
we're
seeing
the
same
thing.
These
little
pieces
of
of
steel
are
remnants
of
the
ladder
that
used
to
go
up
the
outside
of
the
shell
and
was
and
was
cut
off
well
that
that
that
ladder
corroded
the
corroded
pretty
badly.
D
Unfortunately,
when
this
was
done,
they
didn't
take
the
it
didn't,
take
the
pieces
out
and
and
and
they've
continued
to
fracture,
the
outer
shell.
Let
me
run
forward
and
catch
up
to
where
we
were
okay,
so
that
that
is
going
to
have
to
be
repaired
and
that
will
involve
taking
out
some
bricks
and
replacing
those
then
we'll
install
vertical
straps
inside
the
chimneys,
and
here
you
can
see
yeah.
These
will
be
steel
straps
down
in
down
in
the
chimneys,
and
these
straps
will
will
be
tied.
D
As
a
matter
of
fact,
let's
see
that's
pretty
hard
to
see
down
here,
but
these
straps
will
actually
be
tied
down
into
the
into
the
base
into
the
pile
cap
at
the
at
the
base
of
the
chimney.
That's
about
12
or
13
feet
underground
and
those
are
going
to
be
there
to
resist
overturning
of
the
chimney
in
either
wind
or
seismic
event.
D
D
D
D
We've
looked
pretty
carefully
at
this
and
we
don't
believe,
there's
any
foundation
damage,
but
in
reality
we're
gonna
actually
have
to
go
down
and
do
some
inspection
down
there
just
to
just
to
confirm
that
that
we
don't
have
a
problem.
Okay,
let's
look
at.
Let's
look
at
this
I
want
to
talk
about.
I
want
to
every
owner
wants
to
know
how
long's
this
going
to
take
and
how
much
is
it
going
to
cost
and
most
owners
really
don't
care
at
all
about
all
the
stuff.
D
About
how
long
is
it
going
to
take
and
how
much
is
it
going
to
cost?
Let's
go
through
this
okay
right
now,
we've
done
the
conceptual
design,
we've
repriced,
the
we've
done
we're
doing
design
development
drawings
and
in
january
we'll
be.
We
will
finish.
The
design
development
drawings
we'll
be
well
into
the
contract
documents,
the
drawings
and
specs,
and
you
guys
will
have
the
joyful
task
of
making
a
recommendation
to
the
city
go
or
no
go.
D
We
we
figure
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
three
to
four
weeks,
once
the
full
contract
documents
are
available
before
before
bidders
will
actually
give
the
city
their
prices.
It'll
take
the
city
a
while
to
to
have
a
contract
prepared
and
and
and
signed
with
a
with
a
contractor,
and
by
sometime
in
april.
I
is
my
expectation.
The
city
will
have
a
contract
for
construction,
with
a
notice
to
proceed
and
mobilization
by
the
contractor
in
may.
D
The
good
thing
is
that
the
very
first
job
is
in
taking
the
liners
down,
and
that
is
something
that
will
be
done
june
july
august.
Well,
before
we
get
into
the
height
of
the
hurricane
season.
They
are
the
most
dangerous
thing
there
and
they
will
be
down
and,
and
everything
will,
every
everything
in
this
work
is
is
designed
so
that
the
further
we
go
into
the
project,
the
safer
it
becomes
and
and
so
we're
we're
focused
on
very
first
thing.
Let's
make
this
as
safe
as
possible.
D
D
D
D
I
think
on
some
of
this
in
in
going
in
now
rough
order
of
magnitude
costs,
we've
gone
to
before
we
gone
to
one
company
that
had
not
disassembled
a
chimney
before,
and
we
had
these
figures
of
point
six,
six
tenths
of
a
million
in
in
talking
with
international
chimney
that
has
done
this
before
they've
said.
We
think
that
this
is
actually
about
a
1.4
to
1.5
million
dollar
total
cost.
D
D
I
mentioned
a
minute
ago
that
these
are
construction
costs,
project
costs,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
of
these
the
city
has.
Mr
mayor,
I
think
you
are
probably
in
a
better
position
than
than
I
or
maybe
mr
most
is,
and
maybe
I'll
knock
on
the
door
for
both
of
y'all
to
ask
for
a
little
bit
of
help
with
this.
Some
of
these
are
realistic
costs
for
the
city.
Some
are
not,
but
certainly
we
know
that
a
project
cost
would
include
construction
cost
plus
if
there
are
any
financing
costs,
plus
any
fundraising
costs.
D
D
I
D
No,
I
I
can't,
but
it's
a
wonderful
question,
and
why
don't
I
take
it
back
to
a
couple
of
different
sources.
I
I
do
know
this.
I
know
that
when
we
were
talking
with
a
local
demolition
company
that
had
not
disassembled
a
chimney
before
when
we
were
talking
with
them
back
in
the
end
of
the
summer
and.
D
D
The
whole
exterior
and-
and
I
think
they've
also
realized
at
that
time-
that
that
the
that,
if,
if
we
lost
a
chimney,
it
would
take
out
the
scaffolding
too,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
risk
associated
with
that
approach.
I'll
be
honest,
I
don't
remember
where
they
finally
ended
up
in
terms
of
their
thoughts
on
risk.
I
D
That
that
their
approach
was
that
they
would,
they
would
brace
it
in
such
a
way
that
they
would
prevent
its
collapsing
catastrophically
all
they
would.
They
would
do
everything
they
could
to
you
know,
then
you
know
this
is
they're,
never
any
guarantees
and
stuff
like
that.
Of
course,
yeah,
and
you
know
we
all
know
that
construction
is
dangerous,
plain
and
simple,
and
it
really
is,
and-
and
I've
been
reminded
of
that
unfortunately,
several
times
and
mr.
D
I
D
D
The
hurricane
calculations
show
that
if
we
had
a
hurricane
that
gave
us
the
kind
of
wind
that
that
our
building
codes
today
require
us
to
design
for
those
chimneys
would
not
survive,
they
would
they
would
tip
they
would
they
would
have
tension
in
them
and
they
they'd
collapse,
and
so
this,
these
steel
straps,
will
prevent
that
they're
in
there
specifically
to
tie
the
top
half
of
the
chimney
down
to
the
pile
cap.
Okay,
okay,
yeah!
D
J
D
D
D
Yeah
miss
gamble.
It's
the
chimneys
are
going
to
need
maintenance,
but
my
objective
is
that
they
would
never
need
in
the
lifetime
of
anyone
on
this
call
the
this
level
of
work
again.
You
know
we
sometimes
say
in
our
business
in
our
firm
that
and
it
happens
pretty
regularly.
We
find
that
when
we're
doing
major
structural
work
on
stuff,
we
are
generally
working
we're
doing
the
kind
of
work
that
hasn't
been
done,
usually
in
well
over
a
hundred
years.
A
Yes,
sir,
and
and
ms
gamble's
question,
I
I
hear
your
response,
but
just
from
considering
the
whole
cost
for
the
city,
it
would
be
helpful
to
at
least
have
some
projection.
Will
you
know
every
10
years
you
got
to
do
this
every
20
years.
You
got
to
do
that.
You
ought
to
check
on
this
because
we
we
don't
want
to
get
in
this
situation
again
I
mean
nobody
ever
prescribed
to
the
city
since
they
were
built
in
the
30s
and
40s.
A
A
One
thought
that
had
been
brought
up
at
the
last
meeting,
I
believe
or
some
comment
along
the
way,
was
the
possibility
of
keeping
one
and
taking
one
down.
So
if
you
were
to
keep
one
which
one
would
it
be
and
number
two
on
the
pricing,
is
it
as
simple
as
dividing
both
of
those
costs
in
half
and
dividing
and
adding
those
two
things
together,
which,
if
I
do
it,
I
come
to
about
two
million
dollars.
A
D
It's
well
I
I'll
go
ahead
and
and
I'll
take
each
of
the
each
of
the
questions
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
street
closures.
Yes,
sir,
that
there
are
there
are,
there
will
be
a
need
for
street
closures,
and
and-
and
there
will
be
critical
there'll-
be
also
a
need
at
times
to
close
the
saint
julian
divine
community
center,
and
I
can
conceive
of
critical
times
when
we
would
even
ask
residents
not
to
be
in
their
houses
at
certain
critical
times
and
for
short
periods.
B
C
C
D
The
and
realistically
the
the
riskiest
time
is
when
we
disassemble
that
liner
that's
the
riskiest
time
in
each
chimney.
So
yes,
now
second
question.
Mr
mayor
maintenance
schedule,
you
know
I
I
agree
with
you
that
that
maintenance
schedules
are
absolutely
wonderful.
Enforcing
them
that
is
doing
them
is.
D
D
D
C
D
D
G
D
G
Then,
secondly,
even
when
the
work
is
being
done,
if
it's
going
to
be
done
or
not,
the
with
the
residents
around
that
area
might
have
to
be
moved.
You
have
to
probably
secure
that
area
and
you
also
have
a
business
there
that
you're
going
to
have
to
probably
close
for
a
while
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
and
they're
going
to
lose
business
there
too.
So
I
don't
know
who's
going
to.
G
F
F
D
G
D
I
don't
see
the
likelihood
that
they're
going
to
be
that
there's
going
to
be
a
long-term
closure
of
residences
in
that
area
or
of
the
business
in
that
area.
What
I
see
is,
I
see
it
well
to
give
you
some
idea
when
we
did
a
there's,
I'm
not
going
to
name
the
project,
but
there's
a
1920s
building
here
in
town,
concrete
building
that
everybody
knows
and
it's
about
six
or
seven
stories.
D
G
That
close
proximity
to
that
smoke
stack,
and
that
was
my
main
issue,
because
I
didn't
want
one
brick,
nothing
to
fall
on
anyone
around
there
and
have
them
in
my
conscience,
and
that
was
my
dilemma
on
this
dealing
with
the
smokestack
period.
You
know
and
that's
that's
why
I
look
at
it
very
seriously
when
it
comes
to.
You
know,
like
I
always
say,
a
human
being
versus
those
type
things,
and
you
know.
C
F
B
D
D
D
D
D
A
C
A
D
F
D
There's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
it
would
be
more
expensive
because
they'd
have
to
have
two
cranes
and
working
and
they'd
there'd
be
much
more
equipment
on
site,
but
you
know
it
makes
good
sense
to
minimize
the
problems
that
you're
going
to
cause
for
everybody
in
that
area.
It
really
does
and
councilman
mitchell.
I
I
I
think,
that's
that
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
is
well
worth
looking
at
with
respecting
the
the
fact
that
nobody
in
that
area
wants
to
be
grossly
inconvenienced.
J
D
Well,
it
depends
on
the
path
taken
and
I'm
gonna
look
back
over
at
my
notes
over
here
for
a
minute
and
as
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I'm
gonna
if
the
chairman
will
allow
me,
I'm
gonna
share
this
screen
again
for
just
a
moment
and
then
there
we
go
one
share
and
I'm
gonna
probably
forget
to
unshare
it.
So
I'll
have
to
be
reminded,
mr
turner,
but
yeah.
D
If
we
look
at
a
restoration,
it
would
be
june
july
and
august
that
we
would
be
taking
the
liners
down,
and
that
is
unquestionably
the
riskiest
part
of
the
of
the
work.
And
when
we
get
those
liners
down,
we
will
have
significantly
reduced
the
risk
of
a
very
serious
problem
in
hurricane
season
and
but
because,
if
it's,
what
would
have
brought
the
liners
down
is
the
movement
back
and
forth
in
a
wind
event
in
a
hurricane
of
the
of
the
chimneys.
D
D
K
F
K
A
couple
of
questions
that
that
occur
to
me
first
on
the
safety
issue
that
councilman
mitchell
raised
are
there?
Are
there
any
other
alternatives
to
this
procedure?
That
would
improve
that
and
and
again
you
know
how
little
I
know
about
engineering,
but
is
there
another
approach
that
would
be
safer
than
this
one
that
you
can
think
of.
F
D
I
I'm
not
aware
of
it.
I
I'm
confident
of
one
thing:
I'm
confident
that
that
the
guys
who
do
this
work
want
to
make
absolutely
sure
that,
when
they
are
up
there
that
they
are
as
likely
as
is
absolutely
possible
to
come
home
that
night,
they
have
every
incentive
to
make
sure
that
and
and
the
company
does
too
the
company.
That's
doing
this
because
there's
nothing
worse
than
losing
people
in
a
construction
accident.
D
K
F
K
F
D
B
B
Did
you
consider,
I
guess
all
of
the
the
different
options
as
it
relates
to
you
know,
for
example,
inside
the
the
in
the
interior
as
far
as
repairing
the
interior
and
repointing
are
there?
Are
there
cheaper
alternatives
putting
in
sort
of
like
a
mortar
sleeve,
as
opposed
to
putting
in
vertical
bands?
Is
there?
Are
there
different
options,
not
just
in
that
one
area,
but
throughout
the
project
it
seems
as
if
you've
constructed
a
a
plan.
B
D
D
We
ourselves
have
not
used
that
approach
and
mr
applegate,
I
I
actually
attend
every
year,
the
the
association
for
preservation
technology
conference
and-
and
I
usually
try
and
take
everybody
in
my
office
to
that
some
years.
It
seemed
it's
one
year's
in
canada,
then
the
next
two
years,
it's
somewhere
here
in
this
country,
such
an
important
conference,
the
the
the
preservation
engineering
technical
committee
of
that
group
raises
pretty
regularly.
D
The
two
had
been
tied
together
and
it
had
broken
the
connection
between
the
two
and
we
had
a
98-foot
high
brick
flag,
that
flapped
in
the
breeze,
and
you
can
imagine
the
safety
problems
associated
with
that
and
and
the
what
happens
is
brick
grows
over
its
lifetime.
Now
this
brick
has
already
grown,
but
concrete,
shrinks
and
any
new
concrete
that
you
would
spray
onto
the
inside.
D
D
C
B
H
F
H
Is
you
know
when,
when
looking
at
your
design,
craig
and
going
through
it,
I
know
there's
the
preservation
side
right,
preserving
it,
but
also
you
talked
about
the
design
and
adding
the
the
elements
that
will
bring
the
structure
closer
into
compliance
building
codes
and
making
paper
right
for
events
in
the
future
yeah
and
exactly
where
we
are
today
right.
That
was
what
wasn't
what
wasn't
thought
of
back
when
these
were
built,
and
so
I
guess
I
guess
I
just
you
know.
K
H
You
could
re
reiterate,
or
just
what
we've
been
talking
about
your
design
and
what
you
you're,
offering
that
that
is
part
of
it
is
the
preservation,
though,
but
it's
also
about
making
these
stats
safe
to
at
least
to
the
point
much
closer
to
to
withstand
some
of
the
events
that
we
expect
and
expect
in
the
future.
It's
all
part
of
this
right,
it's
not
just
you
know,
preserving
it,
making
sure
it's
maintained,
but
also
bringing
that
structure
much
closer
into
code.
Compliance
and.
D
F
D
Mr
granada,
the
the
objective
with
the
vertical
straps
that
we
would
put
inside
the
chimney,
the
steel
straps
would
be
that
we'd
be
able
to
handle
the
overturning
loads
that
come
with
wind
and
seismic
too,
and
and
we're
sizing
those
for
that.
For
that
loading
and-
and
in
this
case
it's
it's-
a
wind
loading
that
is
most
severe
because
we're
going
to
lighten
this
structure
severely
significantly,
rather
and
and
so
those
would,
those
would
would
prevent
the
overturning
and
and
prevent
the
loss
of
the
top
50.
D
D
F
L
D
D
D
B
M
Chairperson,
I
I
did
have
one
comment
that
I
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
up
here.
So
you
know
craig
brought
up
a
good
point
about
having
good
qualifications
when,
when
it's
time
to
bid
this-
and
that
is
very
important
and
time
obviously
is
very
important
as
well
too.
We
just
have
to
be
careful
if
we
put
too
many
restrictions
or
if
we
tell
them,
you
know
you
have
to
use
two
cranes
or
it
needs
to
be
done
in
a
certain
time
span.
That
has
a
tendency
to
drive
up
the
cost.
F
G
D
B
Okay,
then,
thank
you
so
much.
Mr
bennett
appreciate
it
all
your
work
on
this.
I
guess
next
on
the
agenda
was,
and
we
may
have
kind
of
covered
a
lot
of
this,
but
edmond
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
chime
in
on
this,
I
guess
understanding
and
appreciate
I'm
new
to
a
lot
of
this
and
may
know
less
than
everyone
else
on
this
call.
B
I
think
it's
clear
to
us
at
this
point
from
what
I
understand
that
mr
bennett
has
presented
the
most
comprehensive
and
thorough,
complete
estimate,
but
I
know
that
or
understand
that
there
may
have
been
estimates
and
proposals
that
date
back
four
years
or
so,
and
maybe
a
variety
of
different
kind
of
pricing
options.
Is
that
something
that
edmund
you're
prepared
to
educate
us
on
today.
M
I
I
don't
have
that
information,
but
but
I
can
respond
this
way.
We've
been
engaged
with
bennett
preservation
for
some
time
now
and
what
you're
referring
to
is
cost
estimates
that
they've
developed
over
time
and
it's
you
know
it's
like
sharpening
a
pencil
as
we
were
getting
further
and
further
into
this
process.
We
were
developing
more
and
more
precise
cost
estimates
and
there
was
an
estimate
that
was
very
early
on
that
you
know
on
our
staff.
We
have
a
construction
estimator
in
capital
projects
and
we
reviewed
the
numbers
and
we
just
we
disagreed
with
it.
M
M
Yeah,
I
think
one
to
add
to
that
a
little
bit
more
too.
You
know.
One
item
is:
is
the
type
of
scaffolding
system
so
really
there's
there's
three
ideas
that
are
out
there.
There's
there's
the
crane
with
the
basket,
which
is
the
safest
of
all
them.
There's
a
swing,
scaffolding
which
basically
hangs
or
it's
strapped
around
the
chimney
and
it
uses
tension
and
you
can
lower
it
down
over
time
and
then
they're
scaffolding,
the
whole
entire
system
and
each
one
has
benefits
and
drawbacks
scaffold.
A
A
A
The
renovation
of
the
saint
julian
divine
center,
which
we
rededicated
about
a
week
ago,
and
if
you
haven't
been
in
the
building,
please
go
in
there.
It's
really
transformational
what
we've
done
and
with
the
the
side
facing
east
bay
street,
and
we
rearranged
the
restrooms
on
the
first
floor.
So
you
could
enter
them
without
the
rest
of
the
center
being
open,
so
they're
going
to
be
available
to
the
public,
who
not
only
in
the
neighborhood,
if
needed,
but
also
for
visitors
who
are
going
up
and
down
the
ravenel
bridge.
A
A
So
I
do
want
to
remind
everyone
that
when
city
council
approved
the
measure
to
even
form
this
task
force,
it
specified
that
a
half
of
the
funds,
whatever
recommendation,
be
made,
that
half
and-
and
you
might
say
it
was
aspirational,
but
that
half
of
the
funds
be
come
from
the
private
sector
or
from
philanthropy,
and
so
it
it
was
not
the
intention
honestly
of
counsel
to
foot
the
whole
bill.
For
this
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
The
first.
A
So
the
likely
candidate
is
in
fact,
as
you've
mentioned,
that
tax,
increment
finance
or
tif
district.
We
call
it
the
cooper
river
bridge
tiff
district.
Now
the
history
of
that
is,
we've
only
had
one
bond
issuance
so
far
for
that
district,
which
was
about
two
years
ago
of
12
million
dollars
and
in
fact,
2.25
two
and
a
quarter
million
dollars
that
went
into
the
renovation
of
st
julian
divine
center,
of
which
700
is
left,
came
from
that
first
bond
offering
so
2.25
has
already
gone
into
st
julian
devine
from
from
the
tif
district.
A
Now
it's
our
estimate
that
next
year
we'll
be
able
to
float
an
additional
12
million
dollar
or
so
a
bond
from
the
district
so
to
to
make
sure
we
get
the
biggest
bang
for
our
buck.
We,
we
probably
wouldn't
do
it
until
after
april,
when
we
get
the
updated
annual
information
from
charleston
county
about
the
evaluation
of
the
district
and
how
well
it
did
this
year.
A
We
could
do
it
sooner,
but
it
would
be
better
to
probably
wait,
so
we
might
could
do
a
little
more
than
12
million.
So
here's
here's
the
tough
part
of
all
of
this,
and-
and
I
guess
this
task
force
will
have
to
consider
in
its
recommendation.
But
clearly,
city
council
ends
up
making
the
decision.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
I
I
asked
our
staff
to
to
go
through
the
district
and
look
at
all
the
public
infrastructure
improvements
that
that
we
kind
of
already
know
about
that.
We
would
want
to
occur.
A
I
mean
drainage.
Improvements
are
really
expensive
and,
and
the
low
line
requests
over
time
is
is,
is
a
lot
of
money
as
well,
so
you
got
12
million
dollars
next
year.
Council
will
be
able
to
allocate
and
spend
you
got
a
wish
list.
That's
going
to
be
much
higher
than
that
now
over
time,
the
tif
district
will
keep
producing
income.
I
forget
how
many
more
years
are
on
this
district,
maybe
15
years
so
over
time.
A
You
know
if
I'll
be
honest
with
you:
it'll
probably
generate
65
million
over
the
whole
lifetime
of
the
district,
but
you
know
we
we
can
only
generate
what
we
can
generate.
You
know
a
piece
at
a
time
so
next
year
we
estimate
we'll
be
able
to
spend
12
million
dollars
and
that
will
from
the
district,
and
it
will
be
up
to
council
to
review
those
priorities
and
make
a
decision
of
of
where
to
spend
the
money.
A
A
You
know
if,
if,
if
council,
if
this
task
force
recommends
and
and
council
were
to
allocate
we'd
need
an
additional
approximate
600
000
in
order
to
demolish
them
and
we'd
need
an
additional
1.9
million
to
just
round
it
up,
we
need
an
extra
couple
of
million
dollars,
I'm
sure
with
some
other
expenses
like
craig
says
that
will
be
added
to
the
project
costs.
We
will
roughly
easily
need
2
million
additional
dollars,
so
I
mean
I,
I
think
it
would
be
a
very
worthwhile
endeavor
to
restore
and
save
the
smokestacks.
B
K
But
I'd,
be
curious
for
the
mayor
or
for
councilman,
mitchell
or
or
councilwoman
del
capo
is
the
idea
that,
if,
if
this
committee
recommends
not
to
save
them,
that
that
y'all,
the
city
would
be
looking
for
the
private
sector
to
raise
half
the
money
to
demolish
them,
because
it
seems
like
that's
kind
of
a
sunk
cost,
either
way
whether
they're
saved
or
they're
demolished.
It
seems
like
it's
going
to
cost
a
million
four
to
a
million.
G
Well,
on
oneness,
we
were
looking
at
the
total
package
so
far
that
we
have
to
relocate
people
in
that
area,
if
anything
happen,
or
even
when
they
start
repairing
these
smokes
back
out
with
the
demolition
and
that's
going
to
be
another
cost.
That's
not
that
we
don't
have
in
this
particular
budget
so
far
as
would
be
talking
about
suppose
the
smoke
stack
that
would
be
additional
money
that
even
the
city
would
have
to
come
up
with.
G
So
when
I
first
heard
about
the
smoke
stack,
my
thing
was
that
hey
you
know
I
rather
see
the
smoke
stack
if
they
want
to
do
it,
tear
down
because
putting
money
in
something
that
is
not
doing
nothing
for
the
community,
but
my
the
community
wants
the
smoke
stack
to
stay,
so
I
went
along
with
the
community.
Let's
do
it,
but
we
came
with
the
consensus
that,
if
we're
going
to
do
that
and
keep
this
birth
smoke
stack,
we
don't
have
the
money
there
to
to.
G
You
know
to
repair
all
the
smokes
that
both
smoke
stacks.
So
we
said
we'll
put
50
percent
of
the
money
to
repair
this
to
keep
both
smoke
stacks.
There
so
that's
how
that
came
about
with
the
smoke
stacks.
You
know,
keeping
it
and
repairing
it,
and
I
want
to
go.
I
went
along
with
my
colleague
and
with
along
with
the
people
in
my
community,
which
is
the
east
side
community
and
they
wanted
to
see
it
preserved.
G
So
once
they
wanted
to
see
a
preserve
I'd,
say
I'm
the
councilman.
Okay,
I'm
going
along
with
it,
but
I
say
it's
going
to
be
a
cost
factor
and
I
said
bill
could
bring
money
from
the
tip
pulled
money
from
the
tip
was
the
male
alluded
to
and
not,
but
I
told
them
in
the
beginning
and
I'll
be
frank
with
that-
that
I
would
not
take
money
from
drainage
and
I
would
not
take
money
from
affordable
housing
to
do
this.
G
A
So
john
I'll
I'll
also
respond
by
saying
that
I
certainly
hear
where
you're
coming
from
and
and
no
it
was
not
the
intention
of
the
city
to
ask
for
private
philanthropy
to
help
us
in
the
event
we
demolish
the
smoke
stacks.
I
get
that
but
consider
this
if
they're
demolished,
then
we
have
no
more
maintenance
or
liability
in
the
future
if
we
preserve
them.
A
We're
committing
this
city
for
generations
to
come,
even
though
mr
bennett
says
the
cost
would
be
reasonable
compared
to
what
we're
doing
now,
but
every
20
years
you
got
to
repoint
them
every
year
you
got
to
inspect
them
at
some
point
down
the
road
you're
going
to
have
to
rebuild
them.
So
I
I
mean
we
we
do.
We
we
are
taking
on
that
responsibility
for
the
future.
B
Oh
well,
thank
you
yeah.
I
guess,
as
we
study
this
and
again,
that's
part
of
the
obviously
the
devils
and
the
details
here
is
trying
to
study
it.
There's
some
suggestion
that
I
mean,
obviously
it's
a
breaking
with
somewhat
of
the
charleston
tradition
as
far
as
ownership
of
our
properties
that
we
all
have
to
preserve
historic
properties
and
this
city
I
mean
we've
been
preserving
and
spent
lots
of
money
over
the
last
65
years.
Preserving
these
smokestacks.
B
Wouldn't
it
be
appropriate
for
us
to
be
considering
that
as
a
source
as
we
study
this
is
that
a
source?
So
we
can
understand
that
in
how
we
would
be
able
to
get
funds
because,
as
I
understand
our
job,
it's
to
potentially
make
a
recommendation
and
then
determine
where
the
funding
may
come
from
and
if,
in
fact,
the
funds
are
there
in
the
tif.
That
would
seem
like
an
excellent
solution
to
our
issues.
A
You
know
well
over
10
15
about
15
of
the
total
allocation
from
this
whole
district.
So
it's
receiving
a
sizable.
It's
already
received
two
and
a
quarter
million.
It's
it's
gotten
a
sizable
chunk
from
the
tif
district
already,
and
you
know,
in
addition
to
the
drainage
and
the
affordable
housing,
I
can
tell
you
there
we're
already
getting
advocates.
A
Okay,
particularly
the
foundation
and
the
society
who
are
more
familiar
with
these
kinds
of
things,
are
there
other
preservation
grants,
or
is
there
some
fancy
tax
credit
out
there?
That
could
be
utilized
where
we
can
somehow
pass
through
a
historic
preservation,
tax
credit
someone
if
you
all,
can
think
of
some
other
way
other
than
the
tif
district.
It
sure
would
be
helpful.
B
J
I'm
getting
the
hang
of
it
slowly,
but
surely
I
guess
my
question
was,
as
the
mayor
has
implied,
that
we
sh
the
public.
The
private
sector
should
help
raise
the
additional
funds
for
the
smokestacks
and
say
this
task
force
agree
with
that.
What
happens
if
we
fall
short?
What
happens
to
the
project
of
that
goal?
I
mean
like
say
if
that
was
one
of
the
options
and
we
tried
to
raise
the
money
and
we
did
not
get
the
money.
Then
what
happens
to
the
project
to
the.
I
So
if
we-
and
this
was
actually
in
our
minutes
from
our
last
meeting,
what
was
presented
and
accepted
from
counsel
as
far
as
kind
of
the
rules
and
expectations
of
this
task
force-
and
it
says
directly
in
the
event-
funding
is
unable
to
be
secured
or
it
is
determined.
It
is
not
feasible
to
restore
the
smokestacks.
I
F
I
I
I
haven't
done
any
fundraising
efforts,
so
I
don't
think
that's
a
big
ask
and
I
don't
think
it's
impossible
to
do,
but
to
answer
to
the
mayor's
point,
we
only
have
some,
you
know,
there's
only
so
much
money
to
go
around
and
my
goodness
so
council
member
mitchell
can
tell
you
the
same
thing
since
birth.
The
east
side
has
flooded
like
crazy
and
it
continues
to
affordable
housing.
You
know,
so
how
do
we
best
manage
all
of
these
things
that
are
needed
and
and
right
in
that
one
area?
I
So
I
don't
think
unrealistic.
Expectations
have
been
set
upon
this
task
force
at
all,
and
this
is
what
was
agreed
upon
and
said.
This
is
what
we
need
to
do
and
we
don't
have
time
on
our
side
to
study
things
in
depth.
That's
what
has
been
done
up
to
this
point,
and
now
we
have
roughly
a
month
to
bring
forth
to
counsel
what
the
recommendation
is
and
and
what
that
looks
like
and
where
those
funding
sources
are
etc.
B
And
just
if
I
can,
I
did,
I
did
want
to
put
this
on
the
agenda.
There's
been
just
conversations
and
that
I've
had
and
some
some
concern
just
for
me
getting
up
to
speed
and
and
hearing
from
some
other
folks
that
it
was
as
we
look
at
all
the
information,
it
does
appear
that,
obviously
these
recommendations
were
made.
B
You
know
four
or
five
years
ago
that
we
needed
to
get
in
here
and
do
this
stuff,
and
obviously,
we've
survived
without
issue
these
these
four
years
and
it
seems
as
if
we
may
need
you
know
whether
it
be
60
days
whatever
to
to
get
this
done,
that
with
covid
the
holidays,
christmas,
the
and
I'm
kind
of
jumping
ahead.
It's
where
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
was
timeline,
but
we
just
it
seems
like
we
may
need
some
additional
time
to
be
able
to
make
a
final
recommendation
one.
B
So
we
can
make
sure
we
have
these
again
funding
sources
if
that's
the
best
way
to
do
it.
If
that's
something
we
can
do
or
we've
looked
at
every
single
option.
So
I
just
I
bring
that
up.
I
I
did
want
to
talk
about
the
last
suggestion
about
what
happens.
I
would
assume
that
again,
if
it,
if
we
didn't
get
some
private
source
of
funding-
and
this
did
go
in
front
of
the
bar-
I
mean
it.
I
would
assume
that
you
know,
based
on
my
experience.
B
I
Well,
with
with
all
due
respect,
just
to
say,
because
nothing's
happened
so
far
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
time
on
our
side,
I
mean
you
know
I
can
say
well,
you
know
for
44
years.
I've
never
been.
You
know
I've,
never,
cracked,
my
skull,
it
doesn't
mean
I'm
never
going
to
so
I
mean
that
just
is
such
a.
I
I
What
these
folks
know
is
is
beyond,
and
I
trust
his
recommendations
implicitly
and
the
safety
of
the
community
and
of
these
workers
is
of
utmost
importance
and
the
way
that
he's
structuring
this
and
putting
himself
up
against
what
is
a
really
tight
timeline
to
do
construction
documents
and
all
this,
these
things
take
you
don't
even
understand
the
hours.
These
types
of
things
take.
I
The
timeline
that
he's
giving
us
is
aggressive
and
it's
designed
to
keep
his
people
as
safe
as
possible.
I
do
not
feel
comfortable
going
to
council.
The
second
week
in
january
and
saying
hey,
I
know
we
were
supposed
to
come
to
you
by
now,
but
I
need
another
60
days.
I
do
not
feel
comfortable
doing
that.
I
won't
speak
for
my
fellow
council
members
serving
on
this
task
force,
but
that
will
not
get
support
from
me.
L
Oops
yeah,
may
I
ask
one
other
question:
this
is
deborah
anderson
again.
My
mother
would
always
say
that
the
only
dumb
question
is
the
one
you
don't
ask.
So
is
it
totally
impossible
that
city
council
can
you
come
together
to
see
if
maybe
there's
a
little
more
that
you
can
give,
especially
with
additional
funds,
possibly
coming
in
in
a
moment
towards
this,
so
the
private
side
doesn't
have
to
raise
50
percent.
A
I
I
think
the
order
of
things
endeavor
will
be
that
council
is
looking
for
this,
for
this
task
force
to
first
make
a
recommendation
and
then
it
will
review
its
funding
opportunities
with
the
tif
district
and
and
make
a
decision
from
there.
But,
mr
chairman,
I
did
want
mr
granada
to
address
the
comments
you
made
about
the
b.a.r
and
the
inevitability
of
of
the
restoration.
H
I
think
this
is
an
aggressive
time
time
schedule
that
that,
as
time
goes
on,
we
run
the
risk
for
the
neighborhood
and
everybody.
That's
in
that
area,
any
given
time
of
a
real
public
risk,
and
so
the
order's
there
I
don't
need
to
have
bar
approve
anything
based
on
on
my
authority
to
take
something
down.
That's
that's
a
a
risk
of
public
safety,
and
that's
that's
how
the
word
is
written
to.
So
just
so
you
understand
is.
H
A
H
Sir,
I
I
mean
I,
I
think
I
think
it
just
only
validates
what
we
reported
to
us
all
up
to
this
point,
that
it
is
becoming.
You
know
it
has
progressed.
It
is
getting
to
a
point,
especially
I'm
probably
going
to
say
this
wrong.
The
the
north
stack
is
worse
than
the
south
stack.
I
hope
I
got
that
right
that
one
you
know
is
you
know,
something's
going
to
happen
at
some
point.
It's
just
a
matter
of
when
and
and
what
causes
it
it
will
happen.
H
H
F
H
F
B
Were
doing
your
presentation,
it
seemed
to
suggest
that
you
would
think
we'd
you'd
go
to
contract
in
april,
or
something
like
that.
I
don't
have
it
memorized,
but
is
that?
Would
that
would
that
be
given
some
time
to
the
commission
at
all
any
leeway
from
january
15th?
That,
just
being
you
know
what
your
predictions
were,
trying
to
make
sure
we
have
everything
accounted
for.
D
Yeah
that
that
was
based
on
the
idea
that,
in
that
the
the
contract
documents
would
go
out
to
bid
in
february
and
that
roughly
a
month
later,
the
city
would
have
a
final
price
and
could
start
putting
together
a
contract
for
construction
and
getting
that
through
council
and
that
that
that
contract
for
construction
would
would
be
signed
in
roughly
april
and
a
notice
to
proceed
be
given
in
may
now,
where
the
task
force
force
fits
in.
With
that.
D
I
I
don't
know,
but
I
I
really
wasn't
focusing
on
where
the
task
force
fits
in
as
much
as
I
was
focusing
on
just
experience
in
how
long
it
actually
takes
to
get
a
contract
pull
together.
How
long
it
takes
working
backwards,
how
long
it
takes
to
to
actually
bid
the
project
and
also
how
long
it's
going
to
take
me
to
to
finish
those
contract
documents
and
get
them
out
the
door
so
that
they
can't
be
bid.
D
L
A
A
L
Like
the
sign,
I
didn't
mean
to
cut
you
off,
but
that
is
why
I
said
as
a
task
force:
let's
make
a
decision,
you
know
either
we
are
going
to
do
it,
we're
not
because
we
will
need
the
time
and
the
councilwoman
said
that
she
has
the
individuals
on
the
private
side
who
are
ready
to
move
forward
with
putting
funds
up.
I
look
at
like
this.
It
seems
like
such
a
waste
of
money
to
spend
all
of
that
money
and
just
tear
those
things
down.
L
They've
been
around
I'm
one
that
grew
up
on
that
east
side
and
literally
my
parents
have
a
business
right
down
the
street
from
the
smokestacks.
I
saw
them
all
my
life,
the
historical
value,
the
landmark
there's
a
lot
to
it
and
some
people
might
think
well.
Is
it
worth
it?
Well,
I
think
it
is
so
if,
if
we
as
a
task
force
can
come
together,
we
don't
need
a
lot
of
time
to
make
this
decision.
L
G
A
And
I
I
I
would
respectfully
say
we
want
some
commitment
of
funds
by
april,
but,
mr
chairman,
you
might
be
able
to
find
some
tax
credit
way
or
something
I'm
glad
to
sell
the
stacks
to
somebody
if
they
can
get
a
you
know
a
tax
credit
by
owning
them
or
what
you
know.
If
there's
some
fancy
way
to
do
this,
that
would
help
us
achieve
the
value.
That's
that's
fine,
it
doesn't
all
have
to
be
somebody
writing
a
check.
Maybe,
but
could
could
you
mentioned
you
could
help
us
explore
those.
B
Well,
I
I
and
maybe
I'll,
tell
you
that
I'm
I'm
working
on
that
as
we
speak,
mr
mayor
and
I
you
know
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
figure
something
out,
you
know
I,
the
lawyer
in
me
kicks
in,
and
I
get
concerned
about
a
lot
of
things
here.
So
that's
this
short
time
frame
is
difficult
and
again,
obviously
I
appreciate
that
the
council
has
made
a
decision
in
many
ways,
respect
that,
obviously
just
again
the
lawyer
kicks
in
and
having
worked
in
some
preservation
as
well.
B
The
idea
that
we
have
some
precedent
here,
that's
set,
obviously
gives
me
a
concern,
so
I'd
love
to
see
a
way
where
you
know
we're
just
looking
at
all
the
issues,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
them
and
that's
why
councilwoman
del
chopra
was
concerned
about
the
time.
Is
it's.
It's
really
been
me
trying
to
get
up
to
speed
quickly
and
in
in
understanding
that
this
is
all
very
difficult
in
a
short
period
of
time.
I
agree
with
miss
anderson
that
sounds
like
if
the.
B
If
the
job
of
the
task
force
is
simply
to
vote
on
whether
to
to
preserve
the
smoke
stacks,
I
I
know
I
could
easily
articulate
now,
maybe
unnecessarily
the
reasons
to
do
that,
and
it
sounds
like
we
might
even
have
100
agreement
on
that
that
that
is
what
everybody
here
would
want
to
do
without
question.
So
it
simply
boils
down
to
this
funding
issue,
and
you
know
I
would
I
wouldn't
mind
a
little
more
from
you,
mr
mayor,
if
you
could
just
to
help
your
directive
as
it
relates
to
the
task
force.
A
A
I
would
respectfully
ask
mr
chairman,
and,
and
and
john
particularly,
you
all
are
representing
the
preservation
society
and
the
historic
foundation,
who
you
know,
we're
very
passionate
about
this
issue
and
coming
to
to
council.
Both
of
your
organizations
offered
to
to
help
fund
additional
studies
and-
and
my
comment
at
the
time
was,
you
know,
rather
than
help
fund
additional
studies.
Let's
just
get
on
with
the
business
hire
mr
bennett
to
to
figure
out
what
the
best
safest
way
to
preserve
them
is
and
and
any
fundraising
that
occurs.
A
I
think
that
would
be
a
fine
commitment
and
a
fine
recommendation
to
city
council
that
we
we
want
to
restore
those
tax,
we
want
to
save
them,
and-
and
this
is
how
we're
going
to
get
it
done-
we're
going
to
ask
the
city
to
commit
x,
more
dollars
and
and
we're
going
to
go
out
and
we're
going
to
try
to
raise
x
dollars.
And
maybe
after
you
talk
to
your
organizations,
you
come
back
and
say
we
can
do
better
than
that
or
we
can
task
force.
Mr
mayor,
we
only
feel
like
we
can
get.
A
J
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
go
on
record.
You
know
that
we're
going
to
make
a
decision,
but
we
are
setting
a
president-
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
our
neighborhood
is
setting
a
president
for
historical
buildings,
and
is
this
going
to
be
the
future
of
the
city
that
the
you
know
when
historical
buildings
are
in
danger
that
the
city
do
have?
And
you
know
the
private
sector
does
the
other
half.
J
H
H
A
H
F
D
F
K
Me
and,
and
what
I
would
would
say
and
and
mayor
and
everyone
thanks
for
the
dialogue,
is
very
helpful
for
for
me,
as
a
representative
of
the
society,
I
I
I
think,
like
everybody,
we
would
love
to
see
these
preserved.
As
far
as
the
ask
you
know
the
financial
commitment,
I
certainly
would
need
to
go
back
to
my
group,
my
constituency,
and
talk
to
them
about
these
things,
and
so
I
don't
outrun
my
coverage
and
and
tell
you
where
we
are,
but
but
in
terms
of
of
timing.
K
If
we,
if
we're
gonna,
pull
all
this
together
and
and
you
know
to
jump
ahead
a
little
bit,
it
seems
like
we
need
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
back
together.
Sometime
between
now
and
early
january,
I
guess
to
report
back
on
the
ask
and
perhaps
on
a
couple
assignment
homework
assignments.
Mr
bennett's
gotten.
So
we
can
see
where
we
are.
I
guess
I'll
throw
that
out.
There.
B
G
G
I'm
going
to
push
even
if
this
doesn't
happen,
I'll
have
to
push
with
my
colleague
on
council.
If
I
have
to
do
anything
else
else
differently,
since
my
constituent
thought
and
at
the
beginning
I
said
that
we
didn't
need
to
have
the
smoke
stacked
in
the
beginning.
My
constituents
wanted
community
wanted
and
we
said
we
voted
to
do
the
50
I'll
have
to
fight
hard,
even
if
I
have
to
kind
of
prolong
something
there
with
my
colleagues.
G
I
talk
to
my
colleagues
pertaining
to
this
because
they
know
how
adamant
I
get
when
certain
things-
and
I
do-
I
don't
talk
that
much.
I
don't
ask
for
things,
but
certain
times
certain
things
happen
in
the
in
these
african-american
community,
and
so
when
it
comes
to
that
point
and
if
I
have
to
push
it
further
on
khan's
council
for
time,
I'm
going
to
have
to
do
what
I
got
to
do.
So.
That's
all
I'm
saying
in
that.
In
essence
of
that
I
know
we
are
asking
for
this
money.
G
We
don't
have
that
money
in
our
budget.
We
don't
have
it
we're
trying
to
raise
it
become
after
the
50
percent.
But
if
it's
going
to
take
a
little
time
or
another
week
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
I
don't
have
to
do
what
I
have
to
do
so
far.
The
community
is
concerned
because
I'm
going
to
be
the
one
have
to
answer.
No
one
else
help
I
have
to
answer,
but
except
me.
G
So
this
is
what
I'm
saying
in
essence
right
now,
so
I'm
just
throwing
out
front
right
now
that
I'm
gonna
have
to
fight
hard
for
the
community
for
the
east
side
community
and
what
they're
looking
for
and
what
they're
asking
for,
and
that's
all
I'm
saying
you
know.
So
that's
just
that's!
Gonna,
be
it.
A
So
so
the
only
question
I
would
have
about
the
date,
mr
chairman,
would
be
that
in
the
event
that
we
I
mean,
time
is
a
bit
of
the
essence
and
then
the
event
that
we
can
come
to
a
consensus
on
on
the
recommendation
the
week
prior,
the
first
full
week
of
january.
So
if
we
met
on
the
6th
rather
than
the
13th
and
we
all
agreed,
this
is
what
we
want
to
tell
council.
We
could
go
ahead
and
let
them
know
on
january,
the
12th
when
we
meet
on
the
12th
and
and
get
going.
C
A
B
Yeah
and
and
mr
mayor,
I
I
would
guess
to
comply
with
our
duties
here
I
mean
if,
if
anyone
you
know
within
the
commission,
you
know
becomes
aware
of
information
or
funding
sources,
or
you
know
things
that
we
can
begin
to
consider
in
the
meantime.
That
would
probably
be
great.
If
we
want
to
do
some
sort
of
email
share
or,
however,
it
would
be
appropriate,
I
don't
know,
but
that
could
be
very
helpful.
B
K
B
A
L
You
would
be
available
yes
and
and
holding
back
too,
because
I
know
I
was
talking
today,
but
most
definitely
yes.
I
just.
I
just
know
that
if
we
drag
it
out,
it's
it's.
Let's
spend
the
holidays,
thinking
about
what
we'd
like
to
see,
and
then
we
have
13
days
into
the
new
year
to
come
together
and
let's
just
make
a
decision
so
that
we
can
move
forward.