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City of Charleston Tourism Commission Tour Guide Subcommittee 6/8/21
B
And
next
up
is
public
input.
We
did
have
two
people
sign
up
ahead
of
time
that
that
did
want
to
speak.
First
was
leanne
bain
from
the
charleston
tour
association.
I'm
gonna
see
if
I
can
give
her
the
ability
to
to
talk
there.
We
go.
C
Okay,
great,
thank
you
so
much
hi
everybody.
My
name
is
leanne
bain
and
I
am
president
of
the
charleston
tour
association
and
I
would
like
to
briefly
comment
on
the
three
proposed
carol:
proposals
on
carrie
carriage's,
ordinance
that
are
on
your
agenda
today.
The
first
one
is
the
charleston
carriage
horse
advocates.
I
think
it's
ridiculous.
C
The
second
one
by
the
city
kind
of
concerns
me
too,
and
this
I
feel
that
the
city
is
not
the
business
and
they
are
acting
like
the
business
and
several
of
these
proposals,
for
example
in
one
of
them,
and
they
are
definitely
stepping
over
the
line.
An
emergency
plan
was
recalled
for
does
the
city
require
a
hotel,
a
restaurant
or
even
a
cab
company
to
provide
them
with
an
emergency
plan?
In
fact,
I
am
really
wondering
why
the
city
will
want
the
liability
associated
with
the
with
their
suggestions.
C
I
do
not
work
for
a
carriage
company
or
drive
carriages,
but
when
I
became
the
president
of
the
charleston
tour
association,
I
visited
the
barns
and
farms
to
learn
about
their
businesses.
I
have
three
rescue
dogs
and
make
my
own
dog
food.
You
can
tell
I'm
an
animal
lover
and
I
would
not
support
these
businesses
in
any
way.
If
I
thought
the
horses
were
being
abused,
the
carriage
companies
love
their
animals,
they
care
about
their
city
and
the
guests
that
visit
it.
C
Their
proposal
is
an
olive
branch
showing
that
they
are
willing
to
work
together
to
create
solutions
that
are
fair
and
equitable
to
all.
In
fact,
often
in
my
opinion,
all
three
proposals
should
be
thrown
out.
They
are
not
necessary.
We
have
regulations
already
in
place,
but
you
as
members
of
the
tourism
commission,
if
you
feel
that
these
are
there,
are
issues
to
be
worked
on.
Please
then
start
from
scratch.
Please
do
not
choose
a
proposal
by
groups
whose
goal
is
to
close
down
the
carriage
companies
or
options
by
the
city.
C
Remember
the
city
is
not
the
business.
Please
work
with
the
territories
or
cta.
They
are
not
the
enemy
tourism
is
here
to
stay.
We
all
need
to
work
together
to
create
a
balance
for
residents,
business
and
guests.
I
thank
you
for
serving
on
the
tourism
commission
and
if
I
can
answer
any
questions
or
be
any
assistance,
please
contact
me.
A
B
You
next
on,
for
those
that
had
signed
up
to
speak
is
we
have
tyler
jones
from
cares
and.
B
D
Awesome,
thank
you.
Members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
tyler
jones.
With
charleston
cares.
We
are
made
up
of
old
south
carriage
company
palmetto
carriage
works
and
charleston
carriage
works.
D
As
you
have
been
made
aware,
the
local
anti-carriage
political
group
charleston
carriage
horse
advocates
proposed
an
ordinance
last
year
to
put
new
and
arbitrary
regulations
on
carriage
tours.
So
here
we
are
again
desperately
trying
to
satisfy
a
group
of
people
who
are
impossible
to
satisfy
unless
banning
all
carriage
tours
is
in
any
of
these
ordinances.
D
They're
never
going
to
be
satisfied
and
they're
never
going
away,
and
this
tourism
commission
is
well
acquainted
with
the
demands
of
these
residents
and
for
the
last
year,
city
staff
has
been
over
backwards
to
make
sense
of
nonsensical
demands,
such
as
requiring
carriage
drivers
to
pass
mental
examinations.
D
It
is
impossible
to
compromise,
with
the
uncompromising
to
fashion
a
fair
ordinance
requires
a
participation
of
people
who
want
a
solution
more
than
they
want
to
keep
the
issue
before
council
and
before
the
commission
until
they
get
their
way.
But
for
years
now
the
carriage
companies
have
endured
harassment
and
relentless
attacks
from
this
political
group.
D
So
our
group
charleston
cares.
We
sat
down
to
review
the
anti-carriage
groups
ordinance
about
a
year
ago.
We
went
through
it
line
by
line
and
we
truly
truly
thought.
It
was
a
joke
that
we
had
the
wrong
document
because
surely
no
one
could
take
this
seriously
and
the
city
has
spent
a
year
trying
to
turn
the
unworkable
into
something
halfway
workable
and
at
the
end
of
that
year
the
city
narrowed
the
ordinance
significantly
to
a
much
more
realistic,
but
still
imperfect
document.
D
That's
before
you
tonight,
and
even
though
we
think
this
whole
exercise
is
futile
and
rewards
bad
behavior.
We
are
willing
to
compromise
in
order
to
continue
our
objective
of
being
the
safest
and
best
run
carriage
community
in
the
country
and
the
men
and
women
who
care
for
our
horses
and
conduct
tours
take
pride
in
being
the
gold
standard
gold
standard
for
carriage
tours
in
the
entire
country,
and
we
are
here
ready
to
assist
the
city
with
our
expertise
in
crafting
an
ordinance
that
makes
sense
for
everyone.
D
But
the
ordinance
written
by
the
anti-carriage
ordinance
is
not
full
of
good
ideas
because
that's
not
their
goal.
Their
goal
is
to
hurt
us
and
monopolize
your
time.
This
commission's
time
and
trust
me,
I
know
what
it's
like.
I
was
deposed
by
this
group's
attorney,
mr
green.
For
the
better
part
of
six
hours
a
couple
years
ago,
just
fishing
for
something
that
they
could
take
out
of
context
to
make
carriage
tours
look
bad
and
after
six
hours
they
gave
up
and
instead
resorted
to
this.
D
So
finally,
members
of
the
commission,
we
are
tired
of
this
game.
We
are
tired
of
trying
to
operate
our
businesses
while
having
to
fight
these
battles.
With
this
same
group,
every
few
months
in
front
of
this
commission,
we
can
give
them
everything,
they're,
asking
for
and
they're
still
going
to
be
back
in
a
few
months
demanding
something
else
and
at
some
point
I
believe
we
and
that
point
is
now.
D
So
I
ask
you
to
send
a
message
today:
reject
this:
don't
let
them
hold
this
comment,
commission
hostage
any
longer
and
don't
let
them
monopolize
city
resources
like
they
have
done
for
far
too
long.
While
we
don't
agree
with
everything
the
city
came
up
with
in
their
proposal,
we
are
willing
to
compromise
and
we
submitted
some
very
small
clarification
edits
that
we
ask
you
all
to
review
and
give
us
the
opportunity
to
explain
so
I'm
here
to
answer
any
and
all
questions,
and
I
really
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
service
to
our
city.
B
B
B
I
don't
believe
we
have
that
ability.
Let
me
see
no,
sir,
I
don't
believe
we
have
that.
H
H
E
Am
thank
you
so
I
I
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight
and
for
your
consideration
of
this
ordinance.
I
won't
engage
with
everything
that
was
said
by
the
prior
speaker,
but
I'm.
E
E
What's
before
you,
we
did
approach
the
city
with
some
suggestions
for
reforming
the
ordinance
to
to
bring
it
in
line
with
best
practices
in
the
carriage
industries
and
other
municipalities,
as
well
as
analogous
parts
of
of
our
carriage
industry
and
carriage
industries
in
other
cities,
or
I
mean
tourism
industry
in
our
in
our
city
and
in
other
cities,
and
that
led
to
to
a
process
of
discussion.
E
It
came
up
at
city,
council,
city
council
did
ask
the
department
of
livability
to
take
a
look
at
the
ordinance
and
engage
with
us
we
and
that
that
led
to
a
number
of
conversations
with
with
mr
riccio
and
and
ms
shearer,
both
of
whom
worked
highly
collaboratively
with
us,
and
I
appreciate
them
taking
the
time
out
of
their
busy
schedules
in
order
to
to
participate
in
this
discussion
with
us
and
so
along
those
lines.
E
I
I
do
have
just
a
thank
you
for
the
to
the
department
and
to
city
council
for
for
taking
the
time
on
this
and
the
ordinance
that
they've
proposed.
Make
no
mistake
about.
It
is
a
really
good
starting
place.
E
It
does
some
really
key
things
on
the
issue
before
this
particular
committee,
which
is
sections
one
through
three,
namely
introducing
a
licensing
requirement
for
carriage
drivers,
minimum
requirements
for
what
it
takes
to
obtain
that
license,
including
a
limited
background
check
for
sexual
assault,
violence
against
persons
and
property
and
animal
welfare
offenses,
as
well
as
a
training
program.
Now
we
may
not
agree
with
the
nature
of
the
training
program.
That's
in
here
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
just
a
minute.
E
The
fact
that
it
does
have
those
minimum
standards
is
incredibly
important
and,
I
think
solidifies
the
importance
of
having
minimum
standards
in
place
and
a
licensing
regime
in
place
so
that
the
department
of
deliverability,
the
police
department,
as
well
as
the
city,
can
exercise
regulatory
oversight
over
individual
drivers
and
so
make
no
mistake
about
it.
That
is
an
incredibly
important
and
notable
step
that
we
are
strongly
supportive
of
and
and
appreciate,
the
proposal
being
offered
by
mr
riccio
in
that
regard.
E
That
said
as
to
the
the
sections
one
through
three
there
are,
there
are
three
things
that
we
believe
a
minimum
safety
ordinance
should
have
with
respect
to
the
carriage
drivers
and
the
industry
in
in
charleston.
This
is,
of
course,
not
it's
not
exhaustive.
There
are
some
issues
with
respect
to
other
parts
of
the
proposed
ordinance
that
will
be
put
before
other
committees
and
the
tourism
commission
as
a
whole,
but
as
to
drivers,
there's
there's
three
things
that
I'd
like
to
take
a
minute
to
outline.
E
The
first
is
a
drug
screening
program.
This
is
not
a
an
intrusive
testing
program
that
we've
requested,
but
rather
an
effort
to
bring
the
carriage
industry
in
line
with
federal
and
state
law
requirements
for
motorized
vehicles
engaged
in
similar
activities
and
as
I'll
demonstrate
in
a
minute.
Drug
screening
programs
are
a
common
and,
frankly,
bare
minimum
risk
mitigation
strategy.
When
you're
in
this
sort
of
industry,
I
it
is
somewhat
unbelievable
to
me
as
a
risk
and
compliance
attorney
that
the
industry
hasn't
adopted
this
on
their
own.
Nonetheless,
here
we
are.
E
E
The
goal
here
is
to
minimize
distracted,
driving
and
recognizing
the
burdens
that
are
on
a
single
carriage
driver
and,
more
importantly,
the
safety
that
they
are
entrusted
with
with
respect
to
their
paying
customers
and
to
the
residents
and
the
visitors
of
the
city
of
charleston
and
the
final
one
is
a
slight
rejiggering
of
the
training
standards
to
eliminate
the
express
reference
to
kona,
which
is
a
trade
association
for
the
carriage
industry
on
drug
screening.
E
What
we've
proposed
is
not
novel,
in
fact,
if
you
are
driving
a
commercial
bus
with
16
or
more
people,
including
the
driver,
so
you
have
15
passengers
and
16
with
the
driver.
You
need
a
commercial
driver's
license
and
as
part
of
that,
there
is
a
drug
testing
program,
pre-employment
random
screening
throughout
and
post
accident.
E
That
is
to
my
knowledge,
not
being
done
by
any
member
of
the
charleston
carriage
industry,
despite
the
fact
that
the
the
tours
do
have
16
are
capable
of
having
16
or
more
people,
and
so
what
we
would
propose
is
simply
to
adopt,
what's
already
in
federal
or
state
law,
if
the
carriage,
if
the
carriages
had
motors
in
them,
effectively
right
we're
not
talking
about
anything,
you
know
that
would
require
a
drug
test
before
every
shift
or
anything
like
that.
E
E
In
fact,
others
in
the
charleston
tourism
industry
are
already
subject
to
these
drug
screening
programs.
It's
not
an
impediment
for
their
business,
and
even
if
it's
not
the
law
for
them,
they
do
it
because
it
is
common
sense.
Why?
Why?
Wouldn't
you
do
this?
If
you
are
carrying
that
many
people
in
this
situation,
and
so
I
pull?
I
went
online
today
and
just
looked
at
some
some
job
postings
in
the
charleston
tourism
industry.
E
This
is
for
captains,
mates,
deckhands
and
bartenders
on
charleston
harbor
tours
right
to
be
a
bartender.
You
need
to
be
able
to
pass
a
drug
test.
Okay,
not
a
problem
for
the
harper
tours.
This
is
a
posting
for
the
brew
tour
bus
driver.
I
believe
this
is
one
of
those
kind
of
minibus
operations
posting
for
a
cdl
driver.
By
definition,
if
you
have
a
cdl,
you
are
subject
to
random
drug
and
alcohol
screening.
Okay,
not
obviously
an
impediment
for
that
listing.
E
Here's
a
shuttle
driver
for
the
hilton
garden
inn
right
must
be
able
to
pass
a
pre-hire
drug
screen,
random
drug
screens
conducted
throughout
employment.
Okay.
This
is
gray
line
of
tennessee,
so
nashville,
obviously
a
city
we
compete
with
directly
for
tourism
dollars
right.
This
is
one
of
those
kind
of
smaller
type
buses
requirements.
Cdl
class,
a
or
b
with
passenger
endorsement
preferred
clean
motor
vehicle
record
must
pass
background,
check
and
drug
test.
E
Those
postings
are
not
for
carriage
drivers,
but
I
think
that
we
can
all
recognize
that
I
and
here's
my
argument
when
you
are
behind
the
wheel
of
a
bus,
it's
a
lot
safer
than
being
behind
the
wheel
or
behind
the
animal
on
a
carriage
okay,
those
buses
have
passenger
restraints,
they
have
brakes,
they
have
many
lights
and
they
are
not
being
pooled
by
a
prey
animal
that
is
prone
to
spooking
in
an
urban
environment.
Okay,
and
so
why?
E
I
No,
but
just
one
second
dan.
How
long
is
this
going
to
take,
because
I
want
to
kind
of
on
the
essence
of
time
and
fairness
did
not
realize
that
this
would
be
a
presentation?
I
How
long
will
this
take?
Because
we
do
have
to
proceed
pretty
you
know,
in
accordance
with
our
agenda?
Well,.
E
Dan,
as
we
discussed,
I
think
I
think
it's
okay,
for
you
know
us
to
outline
our
position
here
I
mean
I've.
I've
only
been
on
for
less
than
10
minutes
and
I'm
I'm
half
I'm
more
than
halfway
through
my
presentation,
but.
I
E
Dan
with
respect
I
mean
first
of
all,
the
agenda
isn't
very
cumbersome
and
you
know
I
think
that
this
is.
You
know
central
to
the
issues
that
you
all
will
discuss
and
that's
going
to
be
put
forward
to
the
commission
for
a
recommendation
to
city
council.
G
G
We
can
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
on
the
details,
but
the
chairman
does
have
the
right
to
be
able
to
say
he's
going
to
restrict
the
amount
of
time
of
each
speaker.
I
think
you've
spoken
more
than
all
the
other
speakers
would
be
reasonable.
If
the
chairman
believes
it's
appropriate
to
say,
can
you
wrap
it
up
in
the
next
five
minutes.
I
Time
to
say
that
I
had
no
pre
warning
about
this
being
presented
in
the
man.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
there
is
a
time
limit.
I
don't
want
to
appear
that
we
have
collaborated
this,
this
effort
to
do
a
presentation.
When
I
had
no
idea
you
were
going
to
do
a
presentation.
I
just
want
that
on
the
record.
E
E
The
second
is
a
requirement
for
two
drivers
and
in
the
interest
of
time
I
will
move
quickly.
Look
the
city
council
has
already
determined
that
distracted
driving
is
a
threat
to
public
safety.
Okay,
this
is
the
ordinance
and
the
finding
with
respect
to
handheld
mobile
devices.
E
None
of
us
on
this
and
sorry
my
thing
is
acted
up.
None
of
us
can
can
drive
our
personal
vehicles
with
airbags,
and
you
know
one
person
in
the
car
while
looking
at
a
mobile
phone
in
the
city
of
charleston,
at
least
we
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
whether
it's
enforced
or
not,
is
a
separate
issue.
E
Look
when
we,
when
we
look
at
just
kind
of
the
basic
job
responsibilities
of
a
carriage
driver,
the
distractions
are
obvious
and
inherent
we're
asking
them
to
do
at
least
seven
different,
visual
manual
and
cognitive
tasks
handling
animals
driving
the
carriage
managing
the
safety
of
16
plus
passengers,
some
of
which
include
the
majority
of
children.
E
When
we're
talking
about
school
groups,
navigating
busy
narrow
and
congested
city
streets,
giving
an
entertaining
tour
to
paying
customers
notifying
equine
cleanup
and
avoiding
pedestrians
and
other
vehicles,
as
we
all
know,
especially
in
the
tourism
areas,
folks
aren't
necessarily
paying
attention
to
what
they're
doing
when
they're,
walking
right
and
so
we're
asking
carriage
drivers
do
a
lot.
They
do
a
I'm,
not
sure
I
could
do
it.
I
appreciate
the
difficulty
of
the
task,
but
that's
not
really
the
standard.
E
The
standard
is:
what's
the
bare
minimum
required
for
the
safety
of
residents
and
visitors.
Look
anybody
who's
been
around
the
carriages
and
been
in
downtown.
Charleston
knows
what
it's
like
when
they're
giving
a
tour
right,
they're,
not
necessarily
paying
attention
to
the
road
or
the
or
or
the
animals.
This
is
the
intersection
of
queen
and
logan.
You
know
right
there
between
charleston
day,
queen
street
grocery
member,
not
far
away
in
the
narrow
streets
in
harlston
village,
going
right
through
a
stop
sign
only
intermittently.
E
Looking
at
the
intersection
looking
at
the
different
buildings,
his
and
then
kneeling
down
for
whatever
reason
right-
and
these
are
just
illustrative
examples-
I
mean
we
could
go
on
and
on
and
on
this
one
is
a
driver
going
through
the
intersection
at
cumberland
and
logan
again,
not
stopping
looking
only
at
one
part
of
the
intersection
waving
down
cumberland
street,
while
giving
an
entertaining
tour,
and
I'm
just
going
to
back
up
for
just
a
minute,
because
this
one's
a
little
personal
for
me
that
building
behind
there
is
the
annex
for
st
phillips
preschool
where
my
four-year-old
and
two-year-old
go
to
go
to
preschool.
E
We
go
through
this
intersection
all
the
time
right.
It
is
not
too
much
to
ask
that
people
pay
attention
to
the
road
while
they
are
driving
any
vehicle,
much
less
one
with
an
animal
that
we
all
acknowledge,
can
have
control
issues,
and
so
our
request
on
this
is
and
and
look.
E
Finally,
we
would
argue
that
the
city
should
not
adopt
the
kona
training
standard
as
the
bare
minimum
standard
if
they
want
to
adhere
to
that
and
do
more,
that's
fine,
but
by
definition,
kona
is
a
trade
association
which
makes
clear
on
their
own
website
that
the
driver's
training
manual
is
a
step-by-step
manual
to
help
you
run
a
more
profitable
business,
not
necessarily
a
safe
one,
and
so
we
have
language
that,
I
think,
does
a
better
job
without
ceding
city
authority
to
a
trade
organization
for
the
carriage
industry.
E
So
those
are
my
three
points
on
on
carriage
drivers.
Welcome
your
questions
and
appreciate
your
indulgence
and
your
time
on
my
presentation.
I
Mr
chairman,
yes
I'd
like
to
add
that
my
perception
of
his
presentation
what
this
was
spoken
about
prior
it
was
not.
I
had
maybe
three
telephone
conversations
with
him,
as
I
did
with
the
industry.
I
Our
specific
goal
was
to
try
and
collaborate
together
as
opposing
groups
in
the
city
to
come
up
with
best
practices.
I
That's
what
we're
doing
now,
but
my
last
conversation
with
him
was
that
we
would
allow
him
the
opportunity
to
present
his
plan
to
the
committee
as
we
are
doing
now.
I
just
want
that
on
the
record
just
to
let
everyone
know
that
my
position
here
when
dealing
with
this
whole
process
for
the
past
year.
A
I
B
Next
on
the
agenda
is
moving
to
items
of
discussion
and
just
to
kind
of
start
things
off.
I
was
going
to
read
a
portion
of
the
letter
that
that
was
sent
to
all
the
commission
members
from
dan.
B
The
charleston
care
tourist
advocates
to
their
representative
attorney
attorney
nicholas
greene
submitted
a
proposed
ordinance
to
the
city
on
or
about
august
2020.
The
city's
typical
protocol,
when
or
when
ordinances
and
amendments
are
requested,
is
for
city
staff,
including
legal
staff,
to
write
the
ordinances.
B
B
The
ccha
attorney,
nicholas
greene
after
a
review
of
the
city
ordinance
asked
that
their
original
proposal
to
go
before
the
tourism
commission
as
written
along
with
our
proposal,
the
tourism
commission
and
its
subcommittees
are
asked
to
review
the
city
of
charleston
preliminary
amendments,
which
is
exhibit
1.
The
charleston
care
course
advocates
proposal
exhibit
2
and
the
response
from
the
from
representatives
of
the
carriage
industry,
which
is
exhibit
three.
B
The
tour
guide
subcommittee
will
deal
with
portions
relating
to
the
animal
proposed
the
proposed
animal
john
carriage
license,
which
is
covered
in
sections
one
through
three
of
the
preliminary
ordinance.
Each
committee
will
report
the
entire
report
to
the
entire
commission
at
the
meeting
on
june
23rd.
If
the
commission
passes
a
recommendation,
it
will
be
sent
to
city
council
for
their
review
and
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
to
pass
it
as
to
whether
to
pass
it.
What
is
recommended
to
reject
it
or
to
modify
it?
B
J
Well,
one
I'd
like
to
just
say:
thank
you
very
much
to
our
livability
staff.
They
really
did
take
a
lot
of
time,
we're
very
thoughtful.
The
our
shannon
our
equine
manager
was
very
engaged,
so
I
really
do
appreciate
the
time
and
energy
they
put
into
that.
I
also
very
much
appreciate
the
time
and
energy
that
both
mr
green
and
mr
jones
did
as
well.
J
So
this
is
obviously
not
not
necessarily
an
easy
easy
decision
for
y'all,
but
I
think
that
our
staff
did
an
excellent
job
in
trying
to
give
you
all
a
very
fair
ordinance
for
you
all
to
consider
the
recommendations
too.
J
If
you
have
a
hopefully
you'll,
have
it
pulled
up
in
front
of
y'all
if
you'd
like
me
to
do
a
screen
share,
let
me
know-
and
I'm
happy
to
do
that
if
that
makes
life
easier,
otherwise
I'll
just
kind
of
go
through
the
three
key
sections.
The
first
section
is
pretty
easy.
It's
just
letting
you
know
that
we're
going
to
be
making
changes,
but
the
second
section
is
where
we
get
into
more
of
the
substance.
G
J
All
right
now,
I
can't
because
now
it's
tiny
there
we
go
all
right.
So
when
we
get
to
section
two
and
we
look
at
the
requirements
right
now
we're
trying
to
add
an
age
requirement
of
18
years,
I
think
that's
fair
and
reasonable.
J
Just
to
have
an
age
standard,
making
sure
somebody
does
have
you
know
a
south
south
carolina
driver's
license
and
that
they
are
required
to
obtain
a
city
issued
animal
drawn
carriage
driver's
license
so
that
they
will
have
this
license
or
permit
to
be
able
to
operate
a
carriage
vehicle
in
our
city.
The
previous
language
has
been
struck
because
that's
defined
more
in
terms
of
what
is
going
to
be
included
in
the
license.
J
J
They
do
have
a
very
a
very
thorough
guide
in
terms
of
basic
standards
for
carriage
driving.
They
are
the
trade
industry,
but
they
do
have
the
technical
expertise
to
provide
some
very
solid
basic
standards
for
consideration.
J
So
we
will
be
asking
in
this
new
permit
requirement
that
there
would
be
a
certificate
certificate
of
completion
that
somebody
can
do
these
basic
standards
when
we,
the
next
part,
sorry
keep
switching
to
the
next
one
when
somebody
submits
their
application,
it's
important
that
this
application
be
properly
reviewed.
We'll
do
it
with
the
police
chief,
in
conjunction
with
you,
know
our
department
of
livability
and
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
have
a
very
timely
turnover.
We
understand
that
you
know
the
time
is
important,
so
our
goal
is
to
within
seven
days.
J
J
We
had
originally
proposed
that
the
applicant
not
been
convicted
of
a
felony
or
misdemeanor
involving
a
sex,
offense
animal
abuse
or
any
violent
acts
against
person
or
property.
We
shared
our
draft
back
in
february
upon
further
discussion.
It
might
be
something
that
this
committee
would
consider
striking
misdemeanor
and
having
everything.
J
So
if
any
of
this
came
back,
you
know
with
a
concern,
then
the
applicant
would
be
the
permit
would
be
denied
upon
approval.
You
know
if
they
once
they
were
investigating
their
approved,
then
we
would.
The
police
department,
with
the
department
of
liberty,
would
begin
the
process
of
executing
a
permit.
J
J
We
are
allowed,
we
will
require,
we
will
charge
some
basic
fees.
We
are
only
allowed
to
charge
these
based
off
of
the
the
cost
of
processing,
so
this
will
would
be
very
minimally
tailored
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
application
and
the
background
checks.
We
give
everybody
the
chance
to
renew
their
their
permit.
There's
a
process
for
that
that
is
clearly
outlined
in
this
ordinance.
We
do
require
the
carriage
driver
to
carry
the
permit
with
them.
Just
like
you
have
to
have
your
driver's
license
when
you're
driving
your
car.
J
If
we
find
out
you
know,
if
there's
any
cause,
such
as,
if
there's
been
fraud,
misrepresentation
or
false
statement
made
on
the
application
that
we've
become
aware
of,
we
can
have
intervention
if
we
there's
any
other
violation
of
this
article
if
they
become
if
they,
since
the
permit
they
have,
but
they
receive
a
conviction
for
a
felony
or
as
it's
written
right
now,
with
a
misdemeanor
of
a
sex,
offense,
animal
abuse
or
violent
act,
or
if
they
do
have
some
sort
of
civil
judgment
or
criminal
conviction,
also
tied
to
fraud,
deceit
or
misrepresentation,
then
they
could
have
their
carriage
permit
revoked.
J
So
also
it
would
be
any
other
breach
of
peace.
If
there
have
been
any
other
issues,
we
do
reserve
those
rights
as
well,
because
we
are
adding
the
permit
process.
It
is
imperative
that
I
do
let
all
of
you
know
there
is
an
appeals
process,
so
if
somebody
does
become
aggrieved,
they
do
have
the
right
to
to
appeal
our
revocation
or
suspension
of
their
license.
That
process,
as
you
probably
already
read,
is
very
clearly
outlined.
J
They
have
30
days
to
to
submit
their
appeal.
Then
they
are
entitled
to
a
hearing
on
appeal
which
we
will
file
within
30
days
of
receiving
their
appeal.
They
are
you
know
entitled
to
or
they
are
allowed
and
warranted.
You
know
an
attorney
to
represent
them
as
long
as
they
notify
us
within
15
days
of
their
hearing,
but
all
of
the
actions
in
terms
of
their
due
process
in
terms
of
having
their
their
permit
revoked
are
are
outlined
as
well
in
this
in
this
ordinance.
J
J
I
The
the
the
balance
that
we
had
to
come
up
with
is
what
is
normal
for
other
entities
in
this
case
tour
entities
when
we
issue
a
bus
permit
to
a
coach
bus,
we
don't
go
to
their
company
and
make
sure
that
their
driver
has
been
tested
for
drugs,
that's
their
their
issue
to
deal
with,
not
the
cities,
and
that
is
the
reason
why,
as
a
group,
that
we
decided
that
we
may
be
overstepping
our
balance
and
we
we
go
to
the
drug
testing,
am
I
correct
malory
and
we
need
to
stick
what
guidelines
that
we
can
do
like
a
background
check.
I
So
the
balance
we
tried
to
achieve
here
was
if
we
weren't
going
to
go
to
a
entity
like
a
cdl
driver
in
their
company
for
their
bus
company
to
make
sure
that
they
have
drug
testing.
We
have
to
be
consistent
and
fair
across
the
board,
so
we
maintain
that
fabric
of
fairness
all
across
the
board.
So
that's
what
we
took
in
consideration
when
it
came
down
to
drug
testing.
J
So
yeah
so
essentially
very
very
much
what
what
dan
said
is
we
needed
to
focus
on
you
know
for
the
city
of
charleston
employees,
we're
required
a
drug
test.
This
is
our
employer.
We
are
not
employing
the
carriage
companies.
A
This
is
chad
jones,
so,
in
fairness
to
me,
it
doesn't
seem
like
if
you're
a
walking
tour
guide.
Suddenly
you,
you
know,
you
don't
have
to
be
screened
as
a
sex
offender.
You
know
any
type
of
misdemeanor
for
fraud,
that
kind
of
thing
and
it's
a
singling
out
the
carriage
operators.
Specifically
so
you
know,
I
can
mildly
mildly,
get
on
board.
With
okay,
you're
driving
a
carriage.
You
need
to
take
some
type
of
test
to
make
sure
you
can
control
the
carriage,
but
everything
else
seemed
overreaching
to
me.
L
L
Okay,
like
I
like
mr
riccio,
said,
I
drive
a
25
passenger
bus.
I
cannot
get
my
my
license
unless
I
have
the
the
dot
handles
all
of
the
drug
tests,
all
the
things
for
for
us,
not
the
city,
the
dlt.
I
can't
get
a
driver's
license
a
regular
driver
license
without
having
the
the
yearly
medical
test,
exam
and
the
drug
drug
testing
the
drug
test
exam
so
so,
and
then
that
I
have
to
have
to
have
that
because
I
drive
a
25
passenger
bus,
I
would
need
none
of
that.
L
If
I'm
I'm
driving
carriage
hole
but
15
people,
I
think
yeah
16
16.
If
I
had
a
16
fashion
bus,
I
wouldn't
need
all.
I
would
need
to
have
a
drug
test
or
14-pack
or
cdl.
So
so
it
really.
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
for
them
to
really
have
all
those
things,
because
those
things
are
required
by
the
state.
The
department
of
transportation.
M
Mr
chairman,
this
is
michael
saber.
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
dan
to
have
you
kind
of
give
some
background
on
the
on
the
third
part.
The
charleston
cares
when
you
provided
the
ordinance
that
the
city
had
written
and
you
provided
it
to
the
industry
on
the
course
side,
and
they
made
some
adjustments
to
some
of
the
wording.
Can
you
just
tell
me
a
little
bit
more
about
how
that
conversation
went.
I
I
J
One
of
so
one
of
the
things
that
they
had
marked,
especially
in
terms
of
the
employment
or
under
sections
under
the
employment
hang
on.
Let
me
get
that.
H
J
Was
was
one
of
the
things
that
I
had?
It
would
be
page
four
well
page
four
is
part
of
it,
but
eliminating
the
misdemeanors
so
page,
three
number,
three
subsection
c
we
factored
in
some
of
their
edits.
We
did
think
that
changing
at
least
dropping
misdemeanor
and
focusing
on
felony
did
help
kind
of
broaden.
You
know
make
it
less
narrow
focused.
So
we
we
did
take
in
their
statements
in
consideration.
I
And
if
I
can
chime
in
for
mr
yachts,
I
agree,
I
think,
across
the
board,
eventually,
especially
with
moving
vehicles,
whether
whether
little
certified
buses
and
carriage
drawn
vehicles.
I
I
think
there
is
the
onus
on
the
city
to
at
least
make
sure
that
there
is
some
training
and
some
party
permitting
process
in
place
and
that's
the
reason
why
we
we
agreed
and
went
forward
with
that
proposal,
because
we
thought
it
was
a
good
idea.
Now.
I
So
we
thought
that
was
practical
and
we
seem
agreeable
as
a
group
that
it's
probably
practical
across
the
board.
Eventually
the
city
has
a
duty
and
obligation
to
address
issues
and
concerns,
and
that's
what
our
goal
is
and
that's
what
we're
doing
so.
I
agree.
I
think
it
should
be
across
the
board
of
all
tourism
industry
that
are
providing
tours
to
make
sure
that
tourists
are
safe
and
residents
are
safe.
K
B
It
looks
like
like
miss
bratis
was
trying
to
say
something.
N
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
unmuted.
Now
I
believe
am
I
can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
okay,
I've
been
listening,
I'm
pretty
new
to
this,
but
I
have
been
on
a
carriage.
I
live
in
a
horse
community
and
I
do
know
that
there
are
some
important
things
that
need
to
be
done
and
the
city.
N
Well,
I
believe
lee
ann
said
the
city
is
not
a
business,
but
the
city
is
in
business
to
protect
the
people
and
the
horses
and
those
that
come
and
visit.
I
think
that's
the
primary
reason
that
we
need
to
strengthen
some
of
the
rules
and
it
seems
like
everyone's
resisting
that
and
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
where
the
pushback
comes
from.
It
appears
to
me
that
there
is
a
backstory
I'm
not
familiar
with,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
so
why
don't
I
just
get
to
it?
N
How
long
do
the
carriage
drivers
work
with
these
horses
before
they're
out
on
tour
because,
as
I
know,
horses,
they
become
familiar
with
people
and
if
you
have
one
person,
that's
giving
this
one
person,
that's
giving
a
tour
and
a
history
of
charleston
and
has
the
reigns
and
he
has
to
control
the
horse
and
also
the
traffic.
It
just
seems
like
it's
too
much
now.
I
guess
the
problem
with
that
is.
You
have
to
hire
another
person
and
everyone's
concerned
about
that.
So
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
where
we
are.
N
N
But
it's
not
helping
because
there
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
hostility
and
the
problems.
Don't
seem
to
really
go
away,
they
just
kind
of
get
pushed
to
the
background.
I
guess
I'm.
I
don't
want
to
ramble,
so
I'm
going
to
leave
it
at
that,
but
I
I
am
confused
about
all
the
rules
that
don't
seem
to
really
get
to
the
crux
of
protecting
the
people
who
come
here.
L
Now
the
thing
of
the
driver's
license
and
the
drug
testing
those
things
are
state
mandated.
We
not,
we
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
with
those
with
those
items
as
as
mr
riccio
mentioned,
and
I
think
if
we
were
to
get
into
that,
we'll
be
overstepping
our
bounds
and
because
those
are
things
that
are
mandated
by
the
state,
my
my
department
of
transportation,
my
my
num,
my
number,
my
side
of
my
bus
is
all
state
programs,
and
you
see
that
nothing
has
nothing
to
do
with
those.
L
I
Difference
is
chairman
and
to
explain
mr
brown's
question.
Yes,
your
bus
is
certified
or
mandated
by
state
law.
Carriage
operations
do
have
city
purview
because
they
have
a
franchise
agreement
to
work
on
city
streets.
I
So
we
do
have
an
obligation
at
some
point
to
ensure
that
a
driver
of
a
carriage
does
have
the
training
and
capability
of
operating
that
vehicle.
It
is
a
vehicle.
I
It's
just
like
state
law
requires
it's
a
vehicle
that
you
have
to
have
a
driver's
license
to
operate,
because
you
have
to
adhere
to
all
state
and
local
traffic
laws
on
the
on
the
record,
so
just
to
do
differentiate
between
your
bus
in
a
carriage
there's,
a
franchise
agreement
that
we
have
more
in
insight
and
more
purview
over
their
operations
on
our
streets
to
ensure
that
the
public
is
safe
when
they're
operating
that
vehicle
on
the
street.
I
I
That
is
why-
and
I
know
there
it's
it's-
the
climate
is
heavy
here
and
hot
with
these
entities.
We
get
it,
but
there
should
be
some
oversight
from
the
city,
in
our
view,
to
make
sure
that
an
individual
is
competent
to
operate
on
the
city
streets,
because
we
do
have
an
obligation
for
public
safety
for
our
citizens
and
the
tourists.
N
So
am
I
understanding
that
we
want
two
people
to
conduct
the
tours
one
to
drive
and
one
to
do
the
history.
Is
that
what
you
want?
No,
no
ma'am.
J
No
that
we
did
not
include
in
this
proposed
in
our
proposed
ordinance.
J
I
H
I
What
guess,
what's
before
you
and
miss
bratis
bro,
you
will
have
the
opportunity
as
a
full
commission,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
all
these
issues
come
before
full
commission
for
your
insight
on
other
portions
of
the
ordinance.
I
J
L
L
Now,
when
mr
green
mentioned
about
the
pedestrian,
not
paying
attention
that
that
that's
unprecedented
study,
that
that's
a
pretty
that's
the
standard
needed,
that's
one
thing
that
needs
to
be
studied
by
a
professional
group.
I
don't
think
we
can
go
into
something
that
pedestrians
are
not
paying
attention
unless
it's
done
by
a
a
bona
fide
group
who
can
study
that
type
of
thing?
L
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
take
that
in
consideration
until
someone
has
our
professional
nature
has
studied
it,
whether
whether
they
are
paying
attention
but
they're,
not
taking
action,
we
can
rely
on
someone
sitting
on
the
porch
and
determining
whether
pedestrians
are
paying
attention
or
not.
So
I
think
we
need
to
take
that
out.
A
Again,
this
is
chad,
yachts.
This
ordinance,
I
guess,
was
started
by
mr
green's
group
is
that
is
that
right
and
then
presented
to
you
and
and
that's
where
everything
started
from.
I
Yes,
sir,
it
started
from
there
and
that's
when
I
explained
to
council
last
year
that
you
know
normal
protocol
is
the
the
introduction
letter
that
was
presented
to
you
guys.
It
states
that
there
is
city
protocol
anybody.
I
Yes,
you
know
a
resolution
to
some
problem,
they're
having
to
form
an
ordinance
but
the
city,
the
burdens
on
them
to
basically
come
up
with
the
rules
and
regulations
and
vet
that
with
staff
and
legal
staff.
So
that's
what
we
did
where
we
did
receive
it.
If
we,
you
know
again,
we
have
a
duty
and
obligation
if
we
receive
concerns,
we
have
to
address
it.
So
that's
what
we
did
as
a
group.
I
K
Dad
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
adopt
the
three
proposals,
as
presented
by
ms
sheer
with
removal
of
the
word
misdemeanor,
which
I
believe
was
in
section
two.
If
I
recall
specifically.
K
A
Thank
you,
and
just
for
clarity.
So
I
know
we
were
by
email.
We
received
three
different
attachments,
one
being
the
three
different
groups.
The
I
think
what
dr
weinstein
is
referring
to
is
the
one
that
the
city
revised
with
input
from
the
carriage
group
is,
that
is
that
right.
J
Correct
it
would
be
the
first
one.
That's
preliminary.
B
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table:
do
we
have
a.
G
L
G
He
wanted
he
proposed,
and
the
city
actually
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
to
take
out
or
misdemeanor,
because
that
would
prohibit
somebody
if
they
had
had
a
conviction
for
vandalism,
that
that
would
be
a
misdemeanor
against
property
and
that
might
be
that
might
be
too
restrictive.
G
But
if
it's
a
felony,
all
felonies
are
big
crimes,
I
mean.
Obviously
they
by
definition,
involve
a
potential
punishment
for
one
year
or
more
in
jail.
So
there
are
no
insignificant
felonies,
in
my
opinion,
so
by
by
doing
that
it
allows
somebody
who
might
have
had
a
conviction
for
vandalism
or
some
other
smaller
crime
to
still
be
a
carriage.
G
That
is
right,
that
is,
possession
of
marijuana
would
be
a
misdemeanor
now
I
do
think
that
the
city
already
is
saying
that
it
would
have
to
involve
animal
abuse,
sexual
assault
or
something
that
would
involve
violence
towards
people
or
property.
So
I
don't
think
under
either
version
simple
possession
of
marijuana
is
going
to
kick
somebody
out
of
being
a
carriage
tour
driver,
but
I
would
say
that
vandalism
or
you
know
getting
caught
with
graffiti,
you
know
doing
graffiti-
would
be
charged
as
as
perhaps
vandalism
is
a
misdemeanor.
G
A
Just
for
discussion,
is
it
appropriate
to
have
discussion
at
this
point?
Okay,
you
know
it's
summertime.
I
have
young
children
we're
going
to
travel
to
another
city.
I
certainly
you
know,
hope
it's
safe.
I
take
my
responsibility
on
the
board
seriously.
A
G
Feeling-
and
I
think
that
this
group
should
either
make
either
make
a
recommendation
for
approval
of
something
a
you
can
make
a
recommendation
that
something
not
go
forward.
We're
going
to
have
to
bring
this
whole
thing
to
the
tourism
commission.
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
stop
anyone,
part
of
the
ordinance
from
going
to
the
tourism
commission,
so
the
other.
The
other
news
is,
I
think,
no
matter
what
our
vote
is.
L
K
L
I
hate,
I
think
I
I
know
for
a
fact.
I
know
about
the
training
that
the
carriage
companies
do
I've
been
on
the
carriages.
I
visit
those
barns
and
everything,
and
I
see
I
I
see
what
they're
doing
and
and
just
there's
nothing
new.
I
don't
hear
anything
new
that
they
want,
except
that
they're
trying
to
put
the
carriage.
L
L
There's
they
they
they,
they
just
come
up
some
better
than
what
they're
doing
that
they
charge.
The
companies
are
already
doing
everything
that
that
that,
because
they're,
proposing
they're,
not
gonna,
hire
anybody
who
will
have
drug
addicts
and
now
the
industry
carriage
industry,
so
I'm
just
confused
about
what
they
want.
You
know
what.
K
Have
you
been
doing
being
done?
Certainly
alfonso,
the
double
driver
does
have
a
financial
impact.
I
mean
I
mean
it,
doubles
their
cost
of
employees
for
each
trip
and-
and
we
don't
have
two
drivers
on
a
greyhound
bus.
I
don't
I
don't
understand
that
one.
I
I
that
I'm
vehemently
opposed
to
having
two
drivers
on
the
the
carriage
so
that
that's
one
that's
I
haven't
seen
before
until
they
presented
it
so
they're
fishing
for
problems.
A
And
in
fairness
to
the
motion
on
the
floor,
I'll
call
for
a
second
in
in
absence
of
that,
we'll
we'll
table
that
that's.
G
Other,
so
what
you
might
want
to
consider
doing
is,
I
suppose
you
could.
Somebody
might
want
to
make
a
motion
either
to
report
this
out
to
the
full
committee
with
disapproval
of
it.
Maybe
with
commentary
that
you
know
you
just
don't
feel
it's
necessary
or
I
suppose
you
could
say
we
just
want
to
report
out
that
we
had
a
meeting
and
that
we
had
various
comments
that
were
raised
and
that
it's
going
to
have
to
go
before
the
full
tourism
commission.
G
L
So
so
we
really
don't
the
lawyer's
gone
and
the
in
the
carriage,
the
guy
who
who
represent
the
carriage.
Actually
they
gone.
So
we
really
don't
know
what
that
what
they're
talking
about
you
know
they
they!
What
this
is
the
fussing
all
about
every
meeting
we
have
the
industry,
the
carriages,
the
the
the
advocates
are.
Are
there
complaining
fishing,
wonderful
information,
and
maybe
I
would
like
to
see
the
two
people
two
groups
together
on
at
the
table.
G
Sometimes
this
commission
is
the
place
where
we
are
able
to
have
a
table
metaphorical
table
where
you
are
the
center
of
the
table,
and
sometimes
these
advocates
of
different
types
in
the
public
have
different
positions
that
they
put
out
on
the
table
and
others
try
to
knock
them
down,
and
you
decide
as
a
group
what
stays
on
the
table
and
what
and
what
doesn't
stay
on
the
table.
We
have
sometimes
had
some
meetings
between
carriage
advocates
and,
of
course,
advocates
in
the
past.
G
There
has
that
that
takes
a
lot
of
work
and
that
winds
up
that
usually
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
overlap
in
their
positions,
but
sometimes
there
sometimes
there
is.
There
has
been
in
the
past
limited
agreement
on
certain
points,
but
I
can't
force
everybody
to
come
to
the
table
other
than
this
table,
which
is
again
metaphorical
and
you
you
have
ideas
that
are
placed
on
this
table
and
in
this
virtual
metaphorical
table
you
are
the
deciders.
L
G
A
lot
they
don't
have
to
tell
you
necessarily
who
they
are.
But
again
my
my
advice
is
always.
You
are
selected
for
your
wisdom
and
experience
and
you
decide
again
what
stays
on
this
metaphorical
table
right
now.
I
again
would
suggest
that
probably
you're
in
a
position
where
somebody
would
say
we
are
not
going
to
make
a
positive
or
negative
recommendation,
just
report
it
out
to
the
full
committee
or
that
we
are
making
a
recommendation
with
disapproval
on
the
on
items.
One
two
and
three
I
mean
any
of
that's
within
your
power
to.
A
G
G
And
then
we
have
two
other
subcommittees
that
are
meeting
over
the
next
two
days
and
anybody
who's
listening
out
in
the
audience.
Of
course,
there
may
be
restrictions
on
the
amount
of
time
that
is
available
for
speakers
for
sure.
If
you
want
to
get
comments
in,
you
can
send
them
into
the
city
and
we
will
circulate
them
to
the
members
of
those
subcommittees.
I
I
At
this
point,
city
council
is
not
meeting
in
person
at
city
hall
because
logistics,
I
t
the
smallness
of
it
right
now.
Unfortunately,
this
is
what
we
have
to
deal
with
until
we
get
it
further
along
the
road
to
be
able
to
meet
in
person
with
there's
been
talk,
suggestions
about
the
gill
yard
and
other
places
it
it's
a
it's
a
fee,
there's
there's
money
involved.
I
So
that's
why
it's
decided
that
we
just
resumed
the
zoom
sounded
crazy
resumed
to
zoom
and
until
we
can
meet
in
person.
A
I
I
It's
just
the
nature
of
the
beast
right
now,
so
we
have
to
go
with
the
flow
and
again,
if
you
have
questions,
any
members
have
questions.
Mallory
and
tim
are
always
open,
one-on-one.
Obviously
it's
better
than
a
quorum.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
tim,
but
you
can
always
reach
out
to
them
and
ask
you
know
for
reasoning
on
a
specific
question.
N
I
I
do
have
I
I
will.
This
is
yvonne
brought
us
again.
I
do
have
a
question
about
how
do
I
get
more
familiar
with
the
carriage
industry
going
there
and
just
observing
looking
around
mr
brown
has
had
loads
of
opportunities
been
doing
this
for
years,
but
I'm
not
that
familiar
with
how
they
handle
their
their
personnel.
N
I
Not
knowing
I
can
make
that
happen
for
you
manager,
the
only
one
in
the
country
by
the
way,
okay,
that
oversees
the
carriage
industry
all
right,
be
willing
to
take
you
to
the
bar
and
show
her
show
you
around.
You
know
that
we
have
to
speak
to
the
barns,
but
they've
always
been.
The
company
has
always
been
open.
All
right
is
it.
I
K
Again,
I've
just
walked
over.
There
went
up
and
introduced
myself
and
they
they
couldn't
have
been
nicer
and
showed
me
around
and
I
walked
around.
You
know
smelled
to
see
if
it
was
dirty.
You
know
those
kind
of
things,
but
they
they
were
very
kind.
I
just
said
who
I
was
and
that
I
was
on
the
commission
and-
and
I
would
have
shown
them
an
idea
if
they
asked,
but
they
were,
they
couldn't
have
been
nicer.
Well,.
N
I
don't
know
I
don't
have
an
id,
so
maybe
that's
something
I
need
to
obtain.
Well.
L
Yes-
and
you
know,
everybody
would
be.
C
G
That,
when
you,
if
you
you're,
allowed
to
talk
to
an
individual
to
find
out,
what's
going
on
and
you're
allowed
to
go
visit,
a
carriage,
barn
or
whatever,
if
you,
if
you
and
alfonso
and
michael
get
together,
all
of
a
sudden
y'all
are
like
acting
like
a
subcommittee
you're,
not
a
lot
you're,
actually
technically
violating
foia.
So
you
you
know,
I
discourage
you
from
going
as
a
group
as
because
that
technically
is
a
violation
of
foia.
G
You
know
it
seems
like
it
would
be
a
good
idea,
because
you'd
hear
everybody
else's
questions
and
stuff,
but
state
laws.
State
law
is
afraid
that
you
would
be
there
in
secret
deciding
things.
Okay,.
B
Got
it
ms
brought
us
just
so
you
know
it
looks
like
tyler
jones
from
cares
to
answer
your
question
about
the
hours
of
training,
the
hor
the
horse
and
driver
get
around
a
hundred
hours
of
training
before
they
conduct
a
tour
on
the
street,
and
he
also
said
he'd
be
happy
to
give
this.
Give
you
a
tour
any
time.
N
Well,
that'd
be
interesting
because
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
all
entails
with
these
training
is
it
you
know,
volunteer
training
or
are
you
on
the
payroll
training?
I
know
that
they
have
had
expenses,
and
so
that's
why
they're
pushing
back
on
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we're
asking,
but
I
think
it's
essential
that
if
you
have
an
18
year
old,
19
year
old
20
year
old,
they
need
to
have
on
the
hand
on
the
job
training
and
also
be
part
of
what
the
horse
is
doing.
N
And
I'm
not
sure
I
know
what
that's
all
about
so
it'll
be
good
for
me
to
take
a
tour
and
do
all
the
things
that
I
can
do
to
be
helpful.
The
next
time
we
meet
in
terms
of
opinions
and
and
voting.
M
Mr
brotis,
I
know
this
is
michael
sabo.
As
the
chair
of
the
commission.
I
know
they
invited
us
when
I
was
on
the
commission
two
or
three
years
ago.
We
we
went
individually
and
toward
all
of
the
carriage
facilities,
and
I
I
found
it
extremely
eye-opening,
because
you
get
you
get
a
sense,
how
much
they
do
care
about
what
they're
doing
and
the
safety
protocols
that
they
have
in
place.
So
I
would
highly
recommend
it,
and
I
know
that
you
know
from
the
previous
times
that
I've
been
there.
G
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
there
are
other
people
sounding
in
saying
they
would
love
to
be
able
to
talk
to
tourism.
Commission
members,
you
have
a
right
to
talk
to
people,
you
could
talk
to
the
carriage
advocates.
You
can
talk
to
your
neighbor.
You
can
talk
to
anybody
who
you
want
you're
not
required
to
talk
to
anybody.
They
I
mean
unless
they
catch
you
in
the
grocery
store
in
line.
You
know
you,
don't
you
don't
have
to
say
anything.
You
know.
A
A
A
L
You
know,
I
noticed
on
one
of
our
meeting
that
we
had
mentioned
about
about
the
tourists
walking
tour
guides,
walking
all
the
streets
with
the
tourists.
You
know-
and
I
think
we
mentioned
we're
gonna
talk
to
them
about
that
and
they
they
all
over
the
streets
now
on
the
streets
who
made
them.
I
Tourism's
picking
up,
as
you
know,
yes,
we
are,
we
are
reaching
out
as
we
receive
complaints,
we
are
notifying
entities
of
walking
tours
or
whoever
who
seem
to
be
over
capacity
and
in
the
streets,
but
just
you
know
have
patience
we'll
we
address
it
as
we
receive
it
or
as
we
see
it,
so
we
are
taking
a
proactive
stance
with
with
all
that
enforcement
as
well.