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City of Charleston Tourism Commission 6/23/21
A
A
A
So
I
think
what
I'll
do
and
be
back
up
the
reason
we
did
that
is
in
our.
In
our
last
meeting
there
was
some
discussion
amongst
the
group
that
we
needed
to
amend
some
of
the
previous
minutes,
and
so
what
we
chose
to
do
was
just
continue
on
accept
them
for
the
time
being,
with
some
with
some
adjustments,
so
for
the
I'm
going
to
break
it
apart
in
separate
just
so,
we
can
have
some
some
clarity
and
discussion
so
from
our
minutes.
From
december
9th
again
we
made
some
changes,
just
some
basic
wording.
A
I
think
there
was
a
discussion
if
I
remember
about
how
we
were
foia
information
that
went
out
from
mr
doman.
Mr
dunman
did
provide
a
follow-up
in
the
second
meeting.
So
are
there
any
discussions
or
needs
for
to
adjust
anything
else?
Further
from
the
december
9th
minutes,
anybody
have
any
comments
or
concerns
that
they
need
to
bring
up
all
right
hearing
none.
I
just
need
to
put
a
motion
if
you
don't
mind
just
some
unmute
your
microphones,
and
so
I
just
need
a
motion.
I'm
sorry
who
did
that
counselor!
B
A
Second,
thank
you,
ms
moore.
All
those
in
favor
say
I've
accepted
the
minutes,
any
opposed
all
right.
So
let's
do
the
same
drill
for
the
second
set.
So
this
would
be
this
for
the
second
seven
minutes
which
you
had
reviewed.
There
was
a
couple
things
highlighted.
I
think
if
you
saw
that
we
were
just
going
to
follow
up
with
either
today
in
our
future
meeting,
but
does
any
anybody
have
any
changes
or
amendments
to
the
second
set
amendments
from
the
february
24th
meeting.
C
D
A
Opposed
all
right,
so
we
have
a
very
busy
busy
busy
meeting
today.
I
understand
that
we
have
public
input.
My
understanding
is,
we
have
seven
people
on
the
call
plus
we
also
have
a
one
that
neither
needs
to
be
addressed
or
read
I'll.
Let
mr
burbidge
handle
that
so
we're
going
to
yield
two
minutes
to
every
person
and
mr
verviz
is
going
to
let
you
in
so.
If
you
again
don't
mind,
just
meet
your
microphones
back
while
we
go
to
the
public
input.
F
I'm
just
going
to
summarize
the
letter
safety
to
the
aunt
to
people
and
animals
who
are
involved
in
the
carriage
ride.
Tourism
business
need
to
be
executed
and
not
just
express
acting
intelligently
and
prudently
needs
to
be
enforced.
Common
sense
cannot
be
relied
on,
since
the
interpretations
are
varied
below.
A
F
A
F
B
B
Last
year,
we
supported
city
council's
direction
to
have
the
department
of
livability
and
tourism
and
city's
legal
staff
review
existing
policy
towards
carriage
rides
and
we're
grateful
for
the
work
of
dan
riccio
and
mallory
shearer.
Who,
following
this
extensive
review,
have
provided
you
a
series
of
feasible
policies
that
will
protect
charleston's
reputation
as
one
of
the
world's
great
tourist
destinations.
B
I
B
This
is
reason
enough
to
adopt
them,
but,
most
importantly,
adopting
commonsense
measures.
Since
the
right
message
to
our
visitors,
charleston
must
be
a
model
for
good
tourism
management,
so
we
urge
the
commission
to
take
seriously
its
civic
responsibility
to
protect
the
health
and
safety
of
the
millions
who
have
the
privilege
of
visiting
this
great
city.
B
J
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
I'm
having
a
little
trouble
at
home.
I
apologize
for
that.
Yes,
I'm
karen
lawson,
I'm
with
the
charleston
area
convention
and
visitors,
bureau
explore
charleston
and
we
are
asking
that
these
proposed
ordinances
be
deferred.
For
the
time
being,
we
only
became
aware
that
these
were
even
in
process
a
couple
of
days
ago.
J
We
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
take
an
in-depth
look
at
those,
nor,
I
believe,
has
the
carriage
industry
had
a
chance
to
look
at
them
as
well,
and
I
think
it
would
be
only
fair
that
we'd
be
allowed
to
look
at
those
and
see
what
impact
they
would
have
on
the
industry.
We're
certainly
not
saying
to
reject
them,
or
that's
that
or
that
some
of
them,
or
even
all
of
them
might
not
be
good.
J
K
Is
the
I
is
any
reason
why
they're
not
coming
on
I'm
coming
on
the
screen
on
the
screen?
If
we
were,
if
we
were
in
person,
we
would
be
people,
we
would
be
able
to
see
these
people
and
that
and
the
reason
why
they're
not
showing
up
on
screen
or
or
you
know
as
we're,
if
we're
in
person
we'll
see
them,
we
will
be
seeing
them.
F
K
L
M
M
Can
everyone
hear
me
great
nice
to
see
everyone,
and
I
just
had
a
quick
question
when
how
much
like,
when
were
the
ordinances
introduced
like
this,
this
provision
I
just
based
on
parents-
remark
I
just
am
confused.
I
I'm
aware
of
what's
going
on
I'm
just
when
did
the
public
know
that
this
was
happening.
M
M
M
In
addition,
the
city
should
not
rely
on
any
standard
that
is
not
available
to
the
public,
specifically
kona.
The
liability
of
using
guidelines
only
available
to
carriage
trade
members
should
be
concerning
to
the
legal
staff
and
those
who
are
responsible
for
the
safety
of
citizens
and
tourists
in
charleston.
M
Finally,
every
horse
carriage
operator
should
be
required
to
report
to
the
city
when
adding
animals
to
their
herd.
This
report
should
include
the
animal's
name,
micro
kit,
number
fire
owner
and
whether
the
animal
has
any
prior
experience
working
in
charleston
and
urban
environments.
These
reports
should
be
available
to
the
public,
so
residents
and
visitors
have
a
minimum
degree
of
transparency
about
whether
the
animals
are
brand
new
to
the
congested
city
streets
or
have
experience
working
in
urban
environments.
F
F
P
Hey
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
tyler
jones
from
charleston
cares,
which
is
made
up
of
the
three
largest
carriage
companies
in
the
city.
While
our
position
remains
that
this
entire
ordinance
is
unnecessary
and
superfluous,
especially
since
it
was
written
by
a
special
interest
group
whose
sole
purpose
is
to
ban
carriage
tours
in
the
city,
we
have
always
been
willing
to
sit
down
and
discuss
ways
to
remain
the
safest
and
best
run
carriage
company
or
carriage
community
in
the
entire
country.
P
But
this
this
ordinance
does
not
do
that.
It
creates
arbitrary
rules
and
regulations
in
the
hopes
of
appeasing
a
political
group,
not
because
they're,
necessary
or
warranted,
and
there
are
a
couple
sections
of
this
ordinance
that
we
are
generally
not
that
opposed
to,
but
without
significant
changes,
but
not
without
significant
changes
to
correct
some
obvious
flaws
and
avoid
unintended
consequences.
P
The
worst
thing
we
can
do
tonight
is
rush
through
an
ordinance
that
isn't
ready,
and
the
version
in
front
of
you
right
now
is
nowhere
near
ready,
and
that's
not
the
fault
of
the
city.
It
just
demonstrates
the
need
for
more
communication,
more
time
and
more
collaboration
with
the
industry
that
it
seeks
to
impact.
So
we're
asking
you
tonight
to
defer
the
routes,
parking
and
tourism
rules
report
or
send
it
back
to
subcommittee
to
simply
allow
for
more
time
to
work
out
these
flaws.
P
It
will
also
give
you
more
time
to
have
conversations
with
us
about
what
exactly
we're
trying
to
do
here,
how
it
will
impact
our
businesses
and,
more
importantly,
for
us
to
be
able
to
answer
your
questions
and
we're
also
asking
you
that
you
follow
the
guidance
of
the
two
subcommittees
that
rejected
the
sections
of
the
ordinance
that
they
reviewed.
These
are
big
big
changes
that
will
have
significant
impacts
on
our
businesses
at
a
very
tough
time.
All
we're
asking
is
to
make
sure
that
we
get
it
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
H
H
Thirdly
and
last,
the
cta
endorses
and
supports
the
recommendation
of
cares
to
defer
consideration
of
the
route
sparking
and
rural
subcommittee
to
permit
more
objective
and
thorough
consideration
and
revision.
We
also
support
the
recommendations
that
the
subcommittee
decisions
to
reject
the
majority
of
these
provisions
be
adopted
tonight
by
the
full
commission.
F
Q
And
hi
nice
to
finally
see
you
all
in
person.
Thank
you
lee
for
for
promoting
me
and
for
the
recommendation
to
to
do
so
from
the
commissioner
chairman
sabo
council,
member
girl,
chapo
members
of
the
commission.
It's
a
it's
a
pleasure
to
appear
before
you
again
on
behalf
of
my
pro
bono,
client,
charleston
carriage
horse
advocates.
Q
My
name
is
nicholas
green,
I'm
a
partner
in
the
law,
firm
of
oreck,
harrington
and
setcliff,
where
I
practice
public
policy
law
and
me
and
my
family
are
very
happy
ragboro
neighborhood
residents,
and
indeed
dr
weinstein,
I
believe
we're
practically
neighbors.
I
I
took
on
this
matter
on
behalf
of
cs
ccsha,
for
for
two
reasons.
The
first
is
that
I
believe
in
free
speech
and
assembly,
and
especially
the
right
to
petition
government
for
change.
Q
The
simple
fact,
having
observed
the
subcommittee
meetings
and
based
upon
my
experience,
handling
literally
hundreds
of
bills
in
state
legislatures
around
the
country
is
that
the
regulatory
process
for
this
industry
seems
broken,
and
I
fear
hopelessly.
So
we
don't
impose
meaningful
regulation
before
accidents
happen.
We
don't
impose
meaningful
regulation
after
after
accidents
happen,
we
try
our
best
not
to
do
anything.
We
assume
that
simple
common
sense
safety
proposals
would
inordinately
impact
these
businesses
without
considering
any
of
the
real
countervailing
safety
considerations.
Q
Q
Q
O
Q
R
T
O
F
N
V
V
We
endorse
the
proposed
amendment
to
chapter
29
of
the
code
of
the
city
of
charleston
with
regards
to
safety
with
regards
to
updating
language
that
would
have
requirements
for
kitchen
and
unhitching
carriage
animals
and
appreciate
your
efforts
to
enhance
the
safety
aspect
of
the
carriage
trade
here
by
enhancing
the
safety
of
our
neighborhood.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
F
F
A
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
lee.
I'm
sorry
I
got
kicked
out.
I
guess
I
got
demoted.
I
could
see
everyone,
but
I
couldn't
talk.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
thanks
for
all
the
public
input,
what
I
thought
we
would
do
is
just
kind
of
remind
the
commission
as
a
whole
how
we
were
recommended
from
the
city
staff
and
the
legal
staff
to
address
some
of
the
subcommittees.
A
We
were
asked
to
take
the
the
requested
ordinance
and
pass
it
through
based
on
the
focus
of
the
subcommittee
level.
For
example,
the
tour
guide
subcommittee
covered
section
one
through
three
of
their
proposed
changes,
which
had
to
do
mostly
with
licensing
the
routes
parking
and
tourism
rules
subcommittee
dealt
with
sections
four
through
seven
and
section
nine
through
twelve.
That
area
of
focus
was
training,
design,
safety
and
compliance,
and
then
the
quality
of
life
subcommittee
was
dealing
with
section
eight,
which
had
to
do
with
the
emergency
and
passenger
safety.
A
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
just
have
the
chair
chairpersons
of
every
committee,
talk
to
the
commission
about
what
they
talked
about.
Anybody
on
that
specific
committee
is
more
than
welcome
to
chime
in
and
then
we
can
have
discussion
as
as
a
committee
in
general.
So
I'll
start
with
you,
mr
yachts.
The
first
one
on
the
list
was
tour
guide
subcommittee.
Just
give
us
give
us
a
full
report.
D
D
The
creation
and
requirement
of
animal
drawn
vehicle
driver's
license
the
process
to
obtain
an
animal
drawn
vehicles
driver's
license,
including
brac
background
checks
and
the
reasons
for
suspension
of
an
animal
drawn
vehicle's
driver's
license.
A
number
of
concerns
were
raised
regarding
the
licensing
of
carriage
drivers
and
background
searches
of
carriage
drivers.
D
A
S
A
I
think
so
I
basically
what
it
was
was
for
the
the
subcommittees
to
get
into
a
deeper
dive
on
the
wording
and
the
conversations
and
then
to
really
analyze
it
to
see
if
the
recommendations
would
make
sense
and
then
to
come
today
to
bring
it
forward.
Even
if,
for
example,
in
that
particular
example,
mr
yanks's
committee
said
it
was
unfavorable.
The
commission
still
can
review
it.
They
just
want.
A
So
if
you
know
right
now,
if
you
don't
have
any
questions
on
how
they
are
attained,
that
or
why
they
came
to
an
unfavorable
ruling,
there's
no
discussion,
then
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
subcommittee
and
then,
after
that's
all
done,
I
think
we
can
have
some
generic
conversation
on
whole.
So
anybody
else
have
any
comments
for
mr
yachts.
T
T
D
Well,
I
guess
so.
It
was
not
a
unanimous
decision,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
went
through.
The
proposal
was
just
keeping
in
mind
where
we
are
with
respect
to
coming
out
of
covid
and
just
the
burden
the
industry's
had
in
general,
and
we
felt
like
the
the
licensing
requirement,
was
just
unnecessary.
S
Thanks
chairman,
the
route
parking
rules
subcommittee
met
on
june,
9th
discuss
sections
four
through
seven
and
nine,
through
12
of
the
of
the
city's
proposed
carriage
ordinance,
we
were
presented
with
all
three.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
were
aware
that
those
listening
in
that
there
were
kind
of
three
pieces
on
the
table,
but
ultimately
we
were
looking
at
the
city
version.
S
What
was
a
carriages
falling
all
posted
traffic
signs
and
not
allowed
to
operate
after
sundown
amending
the
carriage
companies
to
have
an
employee
trained
in
equine
triage
and
first
aid
amending
an
ordinance.
You
know
involved
in
incident
or
accident,
be
inspected
by
license
equine
vet.
So
it
was
a
whole
series
of
safety
issues
and
council
del
chapo
and
miss
evans
and
myself
were
the
three
on
there.
S
We
we
recognized
that
the
burden
after
discussion
evans
made
a
motion
that
we're
not
necessarily
proving
this,
but
we
think
it
should
go
to
the
commission
and
that
motion
was
approved
two
to
one
with
the
idea
that
send
these
sections
to
the
full
commission
for
review,
but
with
the
stipulation
that
these
ordinance
be
further
studied
and
explored,
and
council
del
chapo
and
miss
evans.
Please
comment
if
I
got
my
report
wrong
at
all
perfect.
A
W
Well,
let's
just
say
that
we've
kicked
this,
can
down
the
road
for
years
and
years
and
we've
finally
gotten
to
something
that
is
workable,
that
the
city's
come
up
with
and
we
felt
that
that
most
of
it
was
very,
very
acceptable.
If
not,
then
we
could
massage
it
a
little
bit
and
bring
it
up
to
a
degree
where
people
could
all
you
know
all
those
involved
would
agree.
It
was
the
best
way
to
go
right.
W
E
A
R
We
met
on
june,
the
10th.
All
four
members
were
present.
Our
charge
was
to
review
section
8
of
the
preliminary
carriage
proposal.
The
fir
the
first
section
dealt
with
an
emergency
ordinance
to
give
the
department
of
livability
the
the
right
to
call
carriages
off
the
street
under
emergency
situations.
R
R
Thinking
that
that
that
part
was
a
little
duplicitous,
we
in
regards
to
the
passenger
safety
ordinance,
we
really
felt
that
more
it
more
details
needed
to
be
provided
the
language
needed
to
be
changed.
So
we
voted
to
unfavorably
report,
the
passenger
safety
ordinance
after
we
discussed
the
the
two
section
after
we
discussed
section,
eight
8.,
we
had
a
long
discussion
about
other
issues
that
may
be
important
to
commission
members
outside
of
the
carriage
industry.
A
A
I
think
everybody,
I
think,
thought
it
was
positive
and
that
we
just
need
to
figure
out
a
way
of
managing
it,
perhaps
with
more
monthly
subcommittee
meetings
within
the
focus
of
that
particular
subcommittee,
and
let
the
commissioners
drive
the
discussion
of
what
we
would
like
to
talk
about
and
focus
on
in
terms
of
our
purview,
which
is
in
the
tourism
side.
So
I
think
everybody
was
amenable
to
that.
Just
to
say
that,
and
so
anybody
have
any
questions
for
mr
kalinski's
comments
in
terms
of
his
subcommittee.
A
Okay,
good.
I
know
that
his
committee
attacked
a
little
bit
different.
They
went
by
section
by
section
and
it
also
adjusted
some
of
the
wording
I
think
in
his
subcommittee.
There
were
some
discussions
that
some
things
were
need
to
be
adjusted
and
worded,
and
so
that's
why
he
thought
some
clauses
were
favorable
and
some
others,
which
I
think
was
a
good
approach
to
that.
So
I'm
glad
that
you
guys
did
it
that
way.
A
U
Well,
I
know
I'm
happy
to
do
that
and
kind
of
give
an
overview.
So
essentially,
what
the
whole
commission
is
going
to
be
doing
is
there's
multi
is
you'll,
as
a
commission
you're
going
to
be
recommending
that
all
the
changes
either
go
to
city
council
you'll
be
able
to
recommend
you
know,
maybe
some
sort
of
quasi
some
things
go
forward.
Some
sections
go
forward,
some
sections
do
not
you
can
recommend
no
changes
or
you
could
even
vote
essentially
for
us
to
take
this
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
piecemeal.
U
U
U
No,
we
we
definitely
can't
so,
as
we
stated
in
the
subcommittees.
You
know
there
was
an
equine
incident
about
a
year
ago
and
we
did
receive
input
from
the
carriage
force
advocates,
with
a
proposed
ordinance
city
staff
put
in
countless
hours
reviewing
this
working
towards
creating
an
ordinance,
that's
best
practices
we
do
have.
You
know
we
have
shannon
tillman
she's,
our
equine
manager.
We
have
one
of
the
only
if
only
municipal,
equine
manager
and
her
input
was
invaluable
to
this.
U
So
I
don't
want
people
to
keep
saying
that
this
is
biased
one
way
or
the
other.
I
think
that
they
say
that
if
you're
a
mediator,
everybody
hates
you-
and
I
think
the
comments
show
that
this
is
probably
a
pretty
down
the
middle
ordinance.
However,
this
ordinance
is
going
to
y'all
for
consideration,
I'm
happy
to
massage
it
more.
This
input
came
from
our
city
staff,
who
was
on
the
ground
who's,
trying
to
be
proactive
in
a
situation
versus
reactive
which
has
been
concerned
in
the
past.
U
U
So
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
today,
as
you
heard
from
the
subcommittees,
it
sounded
like
the
first
subcommittee
did
want
more
massaging
the
first
and
second
and
the
third
did.
Our
third
subcommittee
did
acknowledge
the
importance
of
the
emergency,
the
emergency
component
section
eight
of
the
full
ordinance
that's
before
y'all.
U
E
U
E
U
All
right,
so
here
is
here's
the
ordinance
I'm
just
going
to
pop
power
through
it
in
its
entirety.
I'm
sure
you
all
have
all
already
read
it
and
heard
all
sides
for
discussion,
for
it
essentially
section
one,
just
notifying
that
we
are
you
know
making
modifications
is
chapter
29
section
two
is
where
we
did
discuss
having
basic
requirements
for
drivers.
You
know
minimum
of
18
have
to
have
the
animal
call
the
animal
drawn
carriage
driver's
license.
U
Obviously,
basic
information
and
proof
of
certification,
you've
heard
a
lot
of
talk
about
kona,
that
is
the
trade
organization
that
is
specific
for
carriage
or
carriage
animals.
They
do
have
standard
guidelines
that
that
we
have
reviewed
and
do
think
that
are
are
a
very
good,
solid
foundation.
However,
with
all
the
comments,
if
it's
something
the
committee
wants,
I'm
happy
to
to
actually
codify
more
specifics
into
that
versus
just
being
deferential
to
kona
back
and
you
know
doing
a
background
check
we
would
require.
U
U
U
U
We
felt
that
it
was
important
to
have
a
training
program
for
any
employee
that
comes
into
contact
with
the
animals
and
then
there
to
be
a
basic
training
for
any
employee
who
operates
within
the
carriage
company.
We
recognize
that,
obviously,
each
level
of
the
employee
is
a
different
expertise,
but
they
should
still
have
basic
standards
when
it
comes
to
to
those
operations,
and
we
would
just
ask
that
that
they'd
be
they
would
report
back
to
the
city
on
an
annual
basis
that
this
this
training
is
completed
and
up
to
date,.
U
Oh,
then,
for
the
next
section
we
discussed
having
more
adequate
light
on
the
carriages,
especially
when
there's
inclement
weather
or
at
nighttime
just
having
adequate,
led
lighting
with
high
reflectivity
markers
alongside
the
the
carriage
the
next
section
was
we
talked
about
having
properly
fitted
collars
harnesses,
essentially
all
of
their
tack
and
equipment,
just
ensuring
that
that
is
properly
fitted
and
adequate,
so
we're
going
to
jump
around
the
section
eight.
This
was
with
the
third
s,
the
third
subcommittee,
where
they
considered
the
emergency
procedures.
U
My
understanding
is
y'all
have
all
seen
this
before
and
after
a
little
massaging
and
subcommittee.
That
subcommittee
did
vote
to
move
on
the
emergency
procedures
forward.
As
you
see
with
the
revisions,
this
would
just
give
our
department
of
livability
the
discretion.
If
there
is
some
sort
of
immediate
emergency,
albeit
whether
it
could
be
some
sort
of
spontaneous
protest,
just
gives
the
department
the
ability
to
to
use
its
discretion
if
they
perceive
there
to
be
a
substantial.
U
Risk
then
they
also.
That
subcommittee
also
considered
passenger
safety.
This,
although
they
did
I,
this-
was
not
recognized
to
move
forward
here
during
that
discussion.
The
word
chaperone
was
proposed
to
be
added
and
it
does
appear
in
this
draft,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
you
that
this
was
not
only.
The
emergency
was
recommended
to
go
forward
full
commission,
but
this
passenger
safety.
U
When
we
did
in
the
during
the
discussion,
we
just
felt
the
city
felt
that
it
was
important
to
have
some
sort
of
age
regulations,
guarantee
that
there's
a
chaperone
and
that
there
not
be
minor
children
in
the
back
seats
or
on
the
sides.
There
had
been
an
instance
where
a
child
had
fallen,
and
so
that's
that
was
the
background,
the
thought
process
behind
this,
but
we
also
recognize
that
they
want
to
maybe
put
a
little
bit
more
massaging
on
that
one.
U
The
next
section
obviously
need
to
be
compliance
or
the
city.
Could
you
know,
refuse
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
then
there's
the
additional
section
for
for
the
totality
of
everything
just
letting
you
know
that
there
there
are
consequences
for
violating
the
any
of
these
ordinances
within
the
city.
U
U
U
U
We
do
ask
that
any
reportable
accident
be
inspected
by
an
equine
vet
certifying.
You
know
that
the
animal
is
healthy.
We
did
have
discussion
since
subcommittee
and
felt
that
it
might
be
c
might
be
more
appropriate
to
have
discretion
of
our
equine
manager.
However,
that
is
obviously
the
the
deference
for
the
the
commission
to
consider,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
open
about
about
that
and
then,
as
well
as
any
reportable
care,
you
know
any
accident.
The
carriage
would
need
to
be
inspected
before
it
was
returned
to
service.
U
C
O
A
Well,
let's
open
it
up,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
have
to
have
a
motion,
but
you
know
right
now
we're
just
still
in
the
discussion
phase
of
trying
to
figure
out
how
everyone
feels
about
where
we
are.
You
heard
meshir
talk
about
the
fact
that
there
were
a
lot
of
changes.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussions,
some
of
the
subcommittees
like
some
some
wording
and
some,
not
the
other.
I
think
the
city,
maybe
dan.
You
could
just
quickly
say
how
the
city
feels
about
this
I
mean.
A
N
Hence
some
of
the
emergency
ordinances
you
see
is
having
a
triage
somebody
trained
in
emergency
triage
to
treat
that
animal.
You
know
right
after
an
incident
following
that
incident.
We
did
an
investigation.
We
found
that
the
simple
cause
is
in
full
disclosure.
I
will
tell
you
that
we
we
reached
out
to
the
industry
because
they're
the
ones
that
do
this
work
every
single
day,
and
I
I
discussed
it
with
shannon
at
length.
N
I
said:
how
can
we
avoid
this
situation
happen
again
when
you're
trying
to
unhitch
a
horse
or
an
m
or
mule,
and
avoid
that
animal
from
from
escaping
you
know?
Halfway
hitched
answer
was
simple:
you
have
a
full
hitching
process
or
a
lead
line
from
each
side
of
the
harness
for
the
horse
or
the
mule
easy.
So
we
came
up
with
the
ordinance.
We
got
legal
to
draft
it.
It
was
adopted
with
the
intent
to
possibly
prevent
future
issues
like
this
happening
with
a
horse
coming
loose.
N
Well
after
that
ordinance
was
passed
in
august
of
2020
city
council
was
presented
with
a
12-page
document
from
the
charleston
carriage
horse
advocates
and
mr
green
basically
giving
them
ordinances
that
needed
to
be
amended
to
address
concerns
that
they
felt
they
were
important
and
that's
our
responsibility.
That's
our
duty
to
to
accommodate
that,
but
the
manner
of
which
it
was
presented
to
council
was
not
in
the
manner
that
it
would
be
done
through
proper
channels
and
protocol
through
city
staff.
So
our
normal
protocol
is
citizen,
jane
or
joe
says.
N
Look,
we
want
an
ordinance
amendment
or
they
go
to
their
councilman.
They
come
to
us
city
staff
is
obligated
to
investigate,
to
inspect,
to
to
come
up
with
the
right
type
of
amendment
to
an
ordinance
or
an
ordinance
change
to
address
the
specific
issues
that
that
a
certain
individual
or
group
is
trying
to
to
to
present.
N
So
with
that
said,
we
as
a
city
staff
and
obviously
a
lot
of
people
are
forgetting
about
covert.
This
is
durham
covet.
We
were
inundated
with
other
duties,
but
we
still
met
regularly
as
a
strong
group
with
mallory
amy
sutherland
lee
burbidge,
amy,
sutherland
or
shannon
tillman
and
myself.
Sorry,
and
we
took
these
ordinance
in
consideration
and
we've
thoughtfully
went
through
every
single
line
over
a
period
of
six
months
or
more
everybody
did
their
research.
N
Everybody
did
their
homework,
but
we
felt
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that
the
preliminary
draft
that
mallory
drafted
was
legal
and
practical
to
enforce,
which
is
the
ordinance
in
front
of
you
today.
Now
that
said,
total
transparency.
My
goal
was
to
go
into
this
process,
as
we
have
done
before,
try
to
get
through
the
the
heartaches
and
the
obstacles
prior
to
even
coming
to
the
subcommittee
and
try
to
come
to
some
compromise
on
both
sides
of
the
defense.
N
N
We
said:
hey,
we
invited
both
to
the
table.
Let's
come
to
the
table.
Let's
get
to
these
items.
Let's
talk
about
this,
let's
vet
this
before
we
go
all
the
way
to
the
subcommittees
to
where
we're
ending
up,
where
exactly
where
we're
ending
up
now,
which
I
tried
to
avoid,
which
is
not
happening
that
went
by
the
wayside
march
to
fourth,
I
will
give
credit
to
the
cares
and
the
industry
they
met
with
us
by
zoom.
N
N
N
N
We
want
our
original
ordinance
to
go
forward
along
with
our
proposal,
so
we
did
that
so
you're
talking
several
months
in
the
hands
of
both
sides
procrastinating,
not
giving
good
input
until
the
last
minute-
and
now
here
we
are
again
taking
up
everybody's
time
to
try
to
do
one
common
goal
to
help
our
industry.
Our
city
manage
an
industry,
this
carriage
industry
in
a
manner
that
is
safe
and
in
a
manner
that
is,
is,
is
accomplished
or
can
be
accomplished
by
enforcement.
N
So
I
know
I'm
rambling.
I
get
passionate
with
this
stuff.
The
waters
have
been
muddied
here
in
the
last
week,
or
so
with
emails
going
to
both
sides,
giving
information
to
both
all
of
you.
That
is
not
totally
the
accurate
information
that
should
be
given.
So
here
we
are
again
trying
to
come
up
with
solutions
trying
to
come
up
with
something
enforceable
and
again
we're
taking
time
from
other
issues
that
we
can
be
focusing
on
with
the
tourism
in
charleston.
So
I
let
it
out,
that's
me
and
it's
your
decision,
you.
N
K
I
have
a
have
a
a
book
on
slavery
is
called
slave
ordinances
where
they
wrote
so
many
ordinances
on
how
to
regulate
slavery,
that
people
just
breaking
the
law
all
over
the
place,
but
the
slave
couldn't
read
the
ordinance.
They
don't
know
what
what
they
were
doing
wrong
and
I
feel
we're
in
the
same
predicament
almost
most
everything
that
we've
discussed
the
all
these
ordinances
that
have
brought
before
us
has
been,
or
in
my
two
years
time,
with
more
on
the
board.
K
I've
heard
them,
but
all
of
my
all
of
them
and
we've
voted
on
them.
We've
taken
an
account
to
the
council
and
everything
only
new
thing
I
hear
this
time
is
the
driver's
license
and
the
the
background
check,
and
I
think
it
was
the
the
drug,
the
drug
testing,
that
drug
testing
is
something
that
the
city
doesn't
have
any
any.
K
Unless
that
I
don't
have
to
say
they
have
any
any-
and
it's
just
to
see
over,
do
that
unless
mr
domain
can
tell
us
about
that,
but
I
don't
think
they
had
city
have
anything
to
do
with
drug
testing,
but
otherwise
nearly
everything
can
be
talked
about
has
been
has
been
already
addressed.
We
mentioned
someone
mentioned
the
traffic
light.
The
animals
reason
why
they
don't
stop
at
most
of
traffic
lights,
because
it's
hard
for
the
animals
to
get
back
into
the
flow
of
moving.
K
K
K
You
would
administer
help
if
you
see
that
the
death
situation
coming
off.
You
can
prevent
a
death
situation.
Otherwise
you
call
yourself
administering
health
and
don't
know
enough
about
it
or
even
or
even
if
you
had
some
some
training
in
it.
If
you're
not
proficient
in
the
well
enough,
and
you
cause
somebody
to
die,
you
could
be
sued
that
bad
bad
situation.
It's
called
nine
one
month
immediately
immediately
and
I'm
added
later
on,
my
tour
had
a
heart
attack.
The
first
thing
I
did
was
call
it
nine
month,
none
and
before
I
could
do
anything.
K
K
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
can
just
pick
out
the
few
things
that
that
hasn't
been
addressed
or
like.
Okay,
like
the
drug
testing,
the
high
railing
on
the
carriages,
lighting,
okay,
the
lighting
driver
license
and
the
background
check.
I
don't
I
thought
about
it
from
the
last
meeting.
I
don't
think
that's
so
that's
too
much
to
ask.
I
don't
think
it's
too
much
to
ask.
A
X
I
hope
that
there
is
a
way
in
which
that
can
be
solved,
because
if
you
have
a
misdemeanor
there
at
some
point
in
time
that
person
had
issues
they
should
be.
If
they're
interested
in
a
job,
they
should
be
willing
to
find
a
way
to
expunge
their
records.
So
they
have
a
clean
record
if
what
they
did
was
so
minor
that
it
doesn't
make
a
difference.
G
Just
want
to
say
thanks
to
everybody
who
you
know
all
the
subcommittee
people
who
put
in
their
time
and
gave
thorough
discussions,
and
I
you
know,
I
respect
everybody's
opinion,
and
I
think
that
I
know
our
subcommittee
came
to
a
good
decision
to
move
forward
with
one
piece
of
it
and
to
review
another
piece,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
what
the
process
is.
But
is
it?
Are
we
able
to
move
forward
with
the
subcommittee
recommendations
or
are
we
going
to
go
through
the
whole
thing.
O
A
So
you
know
I
I
had
the
privilege
of
sitting
through
all
of
the
subcommittees
and
in
the
discussion,
and
I
think
mr
yantz
talked
about
the
fact
that
the
timing
was
bad
and
I
don't
disagree
with
that.
I
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
knowing
that
we
were
going
to
have
this
discussion
in
the
city,
all
of
them
terrorism
related
and
many
people
thought
it
was
just
enough
good
time
and
wanted
to
have
a
sense
of
more
time.
A
A
A
clear
proposal
brought
back
to
the
subcommittees
as
the
original
intent,
so
that
we
could
bring
something,
that's
clear
and
not
so
ambiguous
back
to
this
commission
for
review
or
for
pushing
it
back
up.
I
know
that's
frustrating
to
some
of
you
on
on
the
call,
because
I
don't
want
you
to
think
that
your
time
was
wasted
or
put
down
the
fruit.
I
just
don't
have
a
good
sense
hearing.
A
All
of
you
talk
about
the
fact
that
some
words
are
here
and
that
word
doesn't
work
and
the
48
hours
that
will
put
us
out
of
business.
I
just
don't
think
we're
there
yet,
and
so
my
my
motion
is
that
we
table
this
discussion.
Send
back
for
further
clear
documentation
of
what
we're
actually
putting
on
on
ford
the
commission
and
then
we
can
either
look
at
it
favorably
unfavorably,
so
I
just
need
a
second.
R
E
O
I
don't
think
that
there
was
a
call
for
discussion.
There
should
have
been
a
call
for
discussion
on
the
motion
and
so
futurely
speaking.
Let's
have
a
call,
let's
have
discussion
and
I
don't
see
any
prejudices.
They
would
say
that
would
come
from
discussion
and
if
anyone
is
inclined
to,
then
we
can
vote
on
it
and
presumably
those
who
need
to
vote
for
it
in
the
same
way
we'll
vote
for
it
the
same
way
or
if
their
minds
personally.
A
Yeah,
so
absolutely
I
make
ambition
that
we
table
the
discussion
and
ask
that
the
the
document
that
we
presented
go
back
to
the
city
and
the
subcommittee
levels
so
that
we
can.
We
can
actually
present
one
version
with
all
of
the
wording
as
we
intend
it
to
come
back
to
this
commission
on
the
next
meeting,
which
is
in
august.
So
in
essence,
the
motion
is
the
table
this
into
august
with
it
going
back
to
the
subcommittees
for
further
development
and
refinement.
L
L
A
A
R
My
question
mike
is,
is
I
agree,
but
I
feel
like
we
have
some
momentum
to
kind
of
conclude
this
and
I'm
I
I
can
personally
say
I'm
I'm
rather
anxious
to
conclude
it,
although
concluded
in
a
competent
incredible
way,
is
there
any
way
we
can?
We
could
amend
your
motion
and
meet
in
july
instead
of
kicking
it
down
for
for
two
more
months.
W
A
Yes,
the
subcommittees
looked
through
the
the
city's
proposal
because
they
had
the
the
presentation
to
us,
even
though
we
reviewed
as
a
commission,
all
the
other
two.
We
were
able
to
see
the
changes
we
actually
based
all
of
our
wording
from
the
city's
recommendations,
but
then,
with
with
guidance
that
they
actually
reached
out
in
a
collaborative
way
to
meet
with
the
other
two
parties.
W
A
That's
correct
just
to
get
our
final
version
because,
basically
and
I'll
use
miss
polinski's
committee,
he
had
two
sections,
some
of
some
of
one
section
he
eliminated.
You
know
three
parts
of
that
section,
but
the
first
part
was
recommended
out,
and
so
I
think
again
there's
a
lot
of
ambiguous
aspect.
I
sat
through
all
three
meetings,
I'm
still
not
even
clear.
I've
been
sat
through
these,
which
particular
phrases
and
wordings
we
accepted
and
which
ones
we
didn't,
and
so
I
just
don't
feel
like.
W
Well
are
the
things
that
were
objected
to
being
left
out,
as
as
in
the
things
that
are
in
the
advocates
proposal
and
in
in
cair's
proposal
are
those
being
I
mean
those
we're
not
dealing
with
those
anymore.
We're
only
dealing
with
number
one
with
the
city
ordinance
and
massaging
it.
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
V
L
Any
other
discussion
I
agree
with
mr
kalinski
that
the
faster
we
can
move
this
along
the
better
so
yeah.
If
we
can
set
july
as
our
next
time
to
get
back
together,
I'd
be
in
favor
of
that
and
actually
at
the
subcommittee
level,
we
can
call
for
input
from
whomever
we
want
who
has
expressed
interest
in
making
more
comment,
including
charleston
cares
in
their
48-hour
issue.
C
S
Thanks
chairman,
I
wanted
I
was
trying
to
get
these
comments
in
before
the
motion,
because
I
I
heard
a
couple
things
from
dan.
I
thought
that
were
very
relevant.
I
I
thought
this
ordinance
is
very
onerous
and
I'm
like,
why
is
the
tour
is?
Why
is
the
carriage
company
being
these
things
put
on
it?
I
mean
we
have
all
sorts
of
tourism
issues
in
this
community
and
we
don't
require
this
kind
of
background
check
of
our
people
that
work
in
our
hotels
or
our
restaurants.
S
It
just
seemed
extremely
onerous
it,
but
the
biggest
thing
dan
said
is
the
way
this
got
to
him.
You
know
when
they
had
the
incident,
they
addressed
it
with
the
carriage
industry,
and
I
feel
like
this
needs
to
go.
The
fact
that
they're
meeting
now
is
probably
where
this
should
be
meaning
the
carriage
industry
and
the
liveability.
This
tourism
group
should
be
meeting
with
them
to
get
this
ordinance.
I
like
what
the
city's
put
together,
but
now,
let's
get
those
two
parties
in
the
room.
S
We've
had
a
lot
of
outside
influence,
but
this
is
very
onerous
on
one
group
I
mean
we
don't
have
straight
sidewalks
people
jaywalk
thousands
of
people
jaywalk
per
day.
We
have
poor,
lit
areas
of
our
city.
We
have
gun
violence
problems,
we
have
incredible
parking
issues,
cars
don't
follow
the
rules
either
it's
like.
So
why
go
after
something
that's
been
so
uniquely
charleston,
and
this
idea
that
kona
doesn't
share
their
stuff.
Our
city
had
no
problem
mallory
that
the
kona
stuff
is
in
the
ordinance.
S
So
I
know
that
like
we
could
be
setting
an
example
of
how
to
regulate
this.
If
we
can
kind
of
let
the
city
and
this
team
work
with
kona
and
the
carriage
industry
to
put
together
legislation
that
might
preserve
something,
that's
very
uniquely
charleston,
and
so
I
would
encourage
not
sending
this
back
to
the
subcommittee,
but
getting
dan
and
his
team
to
get
closer
with
the
carriage
industry
and
kona
to
get
this
to
be
balanced,
just
like
they
did
when
they
did.
The
first
change,
I
think
going
back
to
the
subcommittee.
S
I
think
that's
what
miss
evans.
When
we
made
our
motion
to
move
it,
we
were
kind
of
saying
all
right.
This
is
this
is
getting
somewhere,
but
now,
let's
let
the
people
who
really
do
this
for
a
living,
get
in
it
and
bring
us
a
better
ordinance.
That's
what
I'd
like
to
see.
So
thanks
for
that
time,
thank
you.
You're.
E
A
T
So
as
far
as
this
committee
is
concerned,
why
can't
we,
if
we're
going
to
amend
this
emotion,
that
it's
going
to
go
back
to?
I
definitely
think
we
need
to
be
able
to
see
the
permanent
wording.
Why
can't
we
just
say?
Okay,
the
city
by
this
state
is
going
to
give
us
permanent
warning
wording
by
this
time.
T
We're
going
to
have
it
in
our
subcommittee
one
last
time,
so
we
can
prove
that
and
then,
if
both
of
these
factions
would
like
to
instead
of
meeting
behind
closed
doors,
they
may
present
themselves
to
this
committee
and
we
decide
in
august
what
we're
going
to
do
with
it
one
way
or
another
because
we're
never.
We
all
can't
agree.
We're
not
going
to
agree
on
every
single
line
of
this,
so
let's
just
set
a
timeline
and
have
the.
T
If
we
want
to
have
the
subcommittees,
do
it
one
look
at
it
one
more
time
when
we
have
the
proper
wording
and
then
bring
it
to
us
for
a
vote
where
we
vote
on
the
whole
thing,
yay
or
nay,
and
and
allow
the
two
sides.
If
they
want
to
have
the
opportunity,
then
it
will
be
public
that
they
have
the
opportunity,
so
they
cannot
say
we
weren't
allowed
to
speak.
Can
can
we
set
a
timeline
if
we're
going
to
defer
this.
A
I
think
that's
reasonable
I'll
ask
dan.
I
know
dan
has
expressed
in
his
comments
earlier
that
he
feels
like
he
did
reach
out
to
both
sides,
and
I
do
think
dan.
You
have
their
attention
now,
based
on
the
fact
that
this
is
in
front
of
the
commission
and
and
given
the
fact
that
you
know
there's
a
motion
to
defer.
How
do
you
feel
about
what
mr
wade
is
talking
about.
N
I
appreciate
mr
wade's
support.
I
I
can
tell
you
that
I
did.
We
did
try
to
come
to
the
table.
We
and
we
did
try
to
try
to
bet
everything
and
come
to
some,
not
everybody's,
going
to
be
happy,
but
as
in
in
any
mediation,
you
have
to
come
up
to
some
compromise
in
any
any
issues
that
come
up.
But
if
I
could
entertain
anything
tonight,
the
only
positive
I
think
coming
out
of
this
is
the
approval
of
the
emergency
ordinance.
N
Can
we
get
something
done
and
show
that
we've
as
a
commission
as
a
as
a
city
staff,
have
accomplished
something?
Can
we
move
forward
on
the
only
proposal
that
was
approved
and
we
actually
redacted
most
of
it,
but
kept
the
the
heart
of
the
emergency
ordinance?
Can
we
at
least
proceed
with
that
and
that's
something
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
later
and
go
forward
with
going
back.
G
I
agree
with
dan
and
I
would
like
to
move
forward
with
passing
that
emergency
weather
and
anything
else
that
was
turned
out
favorably
and
the
things
that
were
turned
out
unfavorably.
I
think
we
just
take
off
the
table
and
then
you
know
that'll
save
us
some
time
when
we
go
back
to
our
subcommittee
meetings
and
have
to
get
all
our
wording
right.
You
know
go
back
and
work
on
the
things
that
we
want
to
change,
but
the
things
that
were
turned
out
unfavorably.
We
need
to
just
get
off
the
table
and
pass.
J
A
L
C
You
doctor,
unless
the
person
who
made
the
motion
of
greece
and
and
also
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
this
is
more
open
casual
conversation.
But
I
would
really
appreciate
it
if
people
raise
their
hand
and
are
called
on
to
be
recognized
rather
than
just
unmuting
yourselves
and
starting
to
speak.
Because
there's
people
who
are
kind
of
obeying
and
waiting
to
be
called
on
and
they're
not
being
called
on,
because
other
people
are
just
jumping
in
and
speaking.
C
Thank
you,
and-
and
I
was
just
going
to
say
the
same
thing
that
lewis
said-
was
that
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
in
a
second,
so
unless
the
person
who
made
the
motion
agrees
to
amend
their
motion,
we
need
to
move
forward
with.
What's
on
the
floor,
I
agree
with
everything
that
brumby
said.
I
think
that
you
know
and
daryl
kind
of
a
combination
of
the
two
you
know
I
get
it.
C
C
I
can't
imagine
going
to
my
council
members
and
saying
hey.
This
is
what's
coming
out
of
committee
because
I
don't
even
know
what's
coming
out
of
this
committee.
It's
it's
been
two-piece
meal.
I
feel
very
siloed,
like
I
had
to
be
in
on
the
other
two
subcommittees
in
order
to
really
understand
everything
that
was
going
on,
so
I'm
not
really
leaning
toward
sending
this
back
through
the
subcommittees.
C
I
like
brumby's
idea
of
it
come.
We
said
we
set
a
time
limit
and
it
comes
back
before
all
of
us
and
then
it
goes
to
council.
I
think
that's
cleaner
again.
We
don't
have
a
clean
version
and
I
understand
legal
when
they
do
ordinances
they
have
to
cross
through
and
redline
and
all
of
that,
but
it
is
nice
when
you
can
just
see
what
would
be
presented
before
us
and
even
if
you
know
grayed
out
across
the
back,
it's
draft
preliminary.
C
You
know
not
for
not
for
final
vote
or
you
know
whatever
wording
you
need
to
use
just
so
we
get
to
some
sort
of
clear
expectation.
I
know
dan.
I
know
that
you've
had
meetings
as
late
as
yesterday,
going
through
some
of
these
things
and
coming
to
some
different
conclusions
based
on
various
conversations,
and
so
I'm
I
agree
with
a
deferral.
C
C
Let's
hold
it
out
for
a
month
and
do
it
all
at
once
and
then
send
it
all
to
council
all
at
one
time,
because
as
far
as
council,
you
know
is
what
we
have
in
our
mind.
I
can't
speak
for
my
fellow
council
members,
but
in
my
mind
I'm
going
didn't.
I
just
vote
on
changes
to
the
industry
because
we
did
with
as
far
as
the
hitching.
C
So
you
know
you
get
all
this
stuff
going
in
your
head
and
it's
just
too
much
back
and
forth,
and
it
creates
a
lot
of
inconsistency
and
the
people
who
are
experts
in
this
industry
are
the
industry
itself.
And
you
know
these.
These
animals
are
very
expensive,
and
these
are
family
businesses
that
have
been
in
these
families
for
generations.
They
are
not
trying
to
do
themselves
in
you
know.
I
mean
that
horse
had
to
be
put
down
and
you've
never
seen
a
more
devastated
family
they
when
they
had
to
put
that
horse
down.
C
They
lost
a
member
of
their
family.
It's
the
same
as
when
any
of
us,
you
know,
lose
a
pet.
You
know
these
are
not
things
that
they
take
lightly
and
they
just
you
know,
haphazardly,
run
their
businesses
and
you
know,
hire
whoever
walks
in
and
whatnot
and
so
to
treat
them
like
that.
I
think
it's
disrespectful.
C
We
should
all
be
afforded
that
you
know
they're
tr,
they're
running
an
honorable
business
they've
been
in
this
city
for
generations,
and
I
think
we
should
afford
them
that
opportunity
to
you
know
and
offer
them
the
benefit
of
the
doubt,
and
you
know
what
I
mean.
I
hate
saying
it
sometimes
really
bad
things
are
also
just
gonna
happen
and
we
are
never
gonna
make
something.
C
That's
foolproof
and
if
that's
the
bar
we're
never
ever
gonna
get
it
and
we're
gonna
constantly
be
disappointed
and
we're
gonna
constantly
be
coming
back
and
layering
on
something
else.
And
so
I
just
ask
that
we
keep
that
in
mind
and
we
keep
this
more
holistic
and
think
about.
You
know
the
industry
as
a
whole
and
what
works
comprehensively
and
holistically
rather
than
all
kinds
of
pieces
of
the
puzzle
coming
in,
and
that's
where
I
feel
we
are
now
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
find
ourselves
in
this
position.
A
Thank
you
for
your
input.
I
think
it
was
well
said,
and
I
am
willing
to
amend
my
motion
but
dan.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
for
you.
If
we
take
the
recommendations
of
the
commission
and
we
push
it
back
to
the
staff
and
your
group
and
not
to
the
subcommittees
being
that
they
already
had
a
chance
to
review
it
and
we
move
it
to
july,
are
you
prepared
with
that.
N
A
Well,
what
might
what
my
vision
is
is
to
to
councilman's
point?
You
know
if
we're
going
to
present
something
that's
concise
and
something
that's
direct.
I
don't
feel
like
this
commission
even
has
a
consensus
of
what
that
looks.
Like
I
mean
we
each
we
each
have
seen
certain
parts
of
it.
We've
seen
some
clauses.
Yes,
some
clauses
know
we've
seen
some
words
change
again.
N
No
one
wants
to
be
handed
a
bunch
of
pages
of
ordinances
you
I
wanted
it
one
piece
at
a
time,
but
if
we
did
that
it
would
take
quite
a
bit
of
time,
if
that's
what
you
would
like
to
do,
we
could
take
one
portion
at
a
time
as
manageable,
which
I
feel
that
we
did
a
good
job
doing
so.
The
difficulty
is:
where
do
we
go
from
here?
N
This
ordinance
could
be
successful
and
oversee
safety
issues
within
the
industry
yeah.
It
seems
like
you're
picking
on
them.
Unfortunately,
they're
the
only
industry
with
an
animal
who
can
be
unpredictable,
and
I
will
back
up
equine
management
100
that
we
have
a
very
good
system
in
place.
However,
we've
done
work
on
this
for
several
months,
so
I
would
need
your
guidance
of
what
your
expectations
are
in
one
month
to
deliver
you.
I
don't
want
to
deliver
you
the
same
exact
preliminary
ordinance
unless
I
have
guidance
to
do
what
you
are
asking.
A
I
think
what
I'm
recommending
is
that
you
looked
the
recommendations
from
the
subcommittee
and
ones
that
were
unfavorable
or
rewarding
that
didn't
exist
or
we
wanted
stricken.
We
we
provide
one
document
with
all
of
that
removed.
You
follow
me,
so
the
the
thinking
would
be.
We
take
the
feedback
of
what
was
favorable.
What
was
not
favorable
and
we
put
all
the
favorable
into
that
particular
document
with
the
recommendations.
O
And
if
I
could
as
a
point
of
order,
I
I
think
that
the
chairman's
motion
was
it
was
exactly
that
he
asked
for
a
straight
copy
without
redline,
based
on
what
the
subcommittees
had
decided
and
then
that
received
a
second.
And
so
I
want
to
try
and
keep
us
parliamentarily
proper
and
that's
the
motion
that
I
understand
were
asked
to
vote
on
and
I,
with
due
respect
to
the
chart.
I
don't
know
that
that
included
sending
it
back
to
the
subcommittees,
and
I
think
you
all
need
to
address
that.
O
S
Mr
chairman,
one
of
the
things
that
did
come
out
from
dan,
mr
riccio,
which
was
so
relevant,
is
he
admitted,
there's
one
element
of
this
ordinance.
He
wants
that's
the
first
time.
I've
heard
that
right,
and
that
is,
he
wants
the
emergency
piece
to
that.
Well,
you
know
I'd
be
interested
in
in
providing
that,
because
that
seems
to
be
the
most
important,
but
it's
the
first
time.
S
I've
I've
heard
that
and
then
I
I
strongly
agree
with
you
bringing
chairman
sabo,
bringing
this
ordinance
a
clean
copy
that
is
presented
to
us
and
that's
what
I
mean
by
sending
back
is
we
all
got
pieces
of
it
that
we
are
allowed
to
discuss,
and
I-
and
we
did
not
in
our
committee-
is
our
subcommittee.
We
did
not
sit
there
and
try
to
redact
any
pieces.
You
know
kind
of
looked
at
it
collectively.
T
A
Yeah,
certainly
thank
you
for
that,
and,
and
so
that
was
my
thinking
is
that
we,
I
will
amend
it
to
to
defer
it
back
to
the
city.
I
do
agree
with
councilman
del
chapos
that
I
don't
know
that
we
have
to
send
it
back
to
the
subcommittee
since
they've
already
had
a
chance
to
see
it.
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
dan.
You
never
addressed
my
timeline
question
and
most
of
the
commissioners
want
to
move
quickly
and
they
want
to
move
in
in
the
july
time
frame.
A
Are
you
prepared
to
with
the
expectation
that
you
would
take
it
and
do
a
concise
cleanup
of
the
subcommittee's
recommendations
and
what
you
have
recommended
into
one
document?
My
my
recommendation
or
amendment
would
be
that
we
do
we
defer
or
table
with
the
idea
or
intent
of
having
one
document
to
come
out
of
your
your
area
by
july.
So
are
you?
Are
you
prepared
to
meet
that
expectation.
U
A
No,
my
intent
is
not
further
engagement.
My
intent
is
to
provide
a
clean
draft
and
if
it's
your
will
to
to
give
them
one
final
view
of
it
before
you
send
it
back
to
us.
That
is
that's
up
to
you,
but
my
intent
is
to
have
one
clean
document
where
the
council
or
the
commission
knows
exactly
what
our
recommendations
are.
As
a
package,
I
mean
you
heard
council
members
say
that
the
council
does
not
appreciate
you
know
fractional
type
of
perspective
to
it.
A
They
wanna
they
want
everything
there,
and
so
the
intent
would
be
to
have
it
all
done
at
one
time.
So
that's
my
motion
and
I'll
leave
that
as
stands,
my
motion
is
to
table
it
with
the
idea
that
we
will
put
together
a
concise
recommendation
to
either
pass
forward
or
reject
with
the
timeline
of
july
to
meet
the
commissioner's
desire.
So
do
I
hear
a
second.
M
F
A
K
K
A
That's
correct:
okay:
okay,
we've
had
a
second
on
the
floor
of
miss
moore,
so
we're
going
to
take
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
deferring
to
my
motion
with
the
idea,
one
concise
document
and
then
putting
bringing
back
into
july
for
this
commission.
I
just
need
to
say
if
you're
in
favor,
say
aye
or
raise
your
hand
opposed
all
right.
Hearing
no
oppose
the
motion
carries,
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
though
I
think
everybody
here
has
the
same
intent.
They
want
to
have
the
clear
things
dan.
A
N
S
A
I
think
in
in
general,
that's
correct.
I
mean
he
basically
needs
to
clean
up
what
we
have
discussed
and
come
back
with
a
final
presentation
that
we
feel
comfortable
with
and
then
even
then,
when
we
pass
it
to
city
council,
it's
the
city
council's
decision
to
to
make
to
move
forward,
it's
our
job
just
to
make
recommendations
as
an
advisory
committee,
so
that
I
can
get
everybody
covered.
Okay,
good,
I
think
lee
the
next
thing
that
we
need
to
go
to
is
on
our
agenda.
A
I
guess
it
is
old
business.
One
thing
I
want
to
put
on
the
floor
for
old
business
and-
and
I
spoke
with
miss
casella
on
our
our
call
here-
I
might
just
put
you
on
the
spot.
If
you
don't
mind
to
talk
about
something
from
our
minutes
where
we
had
addressed,
perhaps
a
mayor's
office
perspective
on
flooding.
Can
you
address
that
real,
quick.
I
Sure
and
I
apologize
for
the
not
following
up
after
the
last
meeting
after
my
first
meeting,
just
a
little
confused
on
process,
but
I'm
prepared
for
when
the
commission
would
like
either,
if
we're
full.
The
july
meeting
the
august
meeting
to
have
our
chief
resiliency
officer
from
the
mayor's
office
to
come
and
give
a
brief
presentation
on
some
of
the
flooding
strategies
and
issues
for
the
city
that
the
commission
seemed
interested
in.
So
I
can
work
with
lee
and
you,
mr
chairman,
to
get
that
on
one
of
the
next
agendas.
A
A
As
we
know,
everything
impacts
terrorism
on
some
general
level
so,
but
we
felt
like
I
had
asked
the
mayor's
office
to
perhaps
update
us
on
what
the
mayor's
initiatives
are
and
in
the
timeline
about
what
they've
been
working
on
just
so,
the
commission
had
a
at
a
resolution,
and
I
know
there
was
one
other
outstanding
things
on
the
minutes.
I
think
it
was.
A
F
A
A
A
In
my
discussions
with
dan
and
and
the
staff,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
commissioners
knew
what
we're
going
to
try
to
do
is
have
more
regular,
scheduled
subcommittee
meetings,
perhaps
monthly,
perhaps
whatever
schedule
the
chair
of
those
committees
would
like
to
have,
and
then
we
can
continue
to
try
to
approach
have
a
different
approach,
and
I
mentioned
it
earlier
in
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
of
how
this
commission
is
addressing
things
related
to
tourism.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
record
under
new
business.
Anybody
have
any
new
business.
N
Just
real
quick
chairman
with
that
said
about
meeting
regularly.
It
will
give
us
the
opportunity
to
collaborate
with
other
departments
in
the
city
that
are
dealing
with
are
responsible
for
the
issues
that
were
brought
up,
particularly
in
the
last
subcommittee,
with
homelessness
and
other
quality
of
life
issues.
So
it'll
give
us
an
opportunity
to
to
engage
other
city
departments
to
try
to
work
together.
Collaborate
to
give
everybody
on
this
commission
the
opportunity
to
do
what
they've
signed
up
to
do.
A
F
B
A
F
A
Thank
you
for
that.
I
know
mr
kalinski
he
mentioned
earlier
that
nearly
everyone
had
their
own
perspective
and
I
did
forward
that
to
you.
So
you
have
some
of
those
comments.
I
know,
and
I
did
some
on
chad
chad's
mr
johnson's
committee
as
well.
I
think
he
had
a
couple
of
people,
but
definitely
good
recommendation
just
to
keep
things
on
record
right.
That's
your
point.
Make
sure
we
have
a
listing
of
everything.
F
Well,
to
keep
it,
keep
it
on
record
and
to
keep
sort
of
a
central
like
a
a
normal
line
of
communication,
but
also
to
make
sure
to
kind
of
what
mr
doman
said
in
our
first
meeting
back
in
december
with
this
new
commission
to
make
sure
that
we're
avoiding
any
group
discussions
that
could
potentially
be
with
it
considered
a
quorum,
and
so
we
avoid.
We
avoid
any
potential
issues
with
that,
so
that
each
of
the
subcommittee
members
would
speak
directly
to
their
chair.
A
Yeah,
I
understood
it's
a
good
recommendation,
all
right,
any
other.
Any
other
comments.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
time.
I
know
I
know
this
is
a
lot
of
work
and
especially
for
a
new
commission.
You,
you
certainly
jumped
right
into
the
fire
coming
out
of
the
gate,
so
I
appreciate
all
your
time
and
energy
and
thanks
to
the
staff
and
to
our
legal
counsel,
for
keeping
us
on
track.
So
you
guys
have
a
blessed
july
4th
and
we'll
see
you
shortly
take
care
a
meeting
and
cheering.