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City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means 9/22/2020
A
Okay,
let's
get
started.
I
call
the
september
22nd
2020
committee
on
ways
and
means
to
order,
and
I
will
call
on
councilwoman
jackson
to
give
us
the
invocation.
B
A
Okay,
councilman
seeking
councilwoman
jackson
just
signed
on
so
we'll
have
her.
Have
the
invocation,
councilwoman
jackson.
D
Thank
you,
I'm
so
sorry,
I
had
a
little
computer
technology
glitch.
Yes,
let
us
bow
our
heads,
please,
lord
god,
we
ask
you
to
be
with
us,
as
we
are
here
assembled
to
be
making
decisions
this
evening
that
benefit
our
citizens,
our
guests
ourselves
and
everyone
who
comes
into
the
boundary
of
the
city
of
charleston.
D
E
C
B
A
Okay,
that's
on
the
july
20th
20
20
minutes
the
september
8th
2020
minutes
have
been
deferred,
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
the
eyes
have
it.
A
G
F
A
Item
six:
did
you
get
the
amendment
and
separate
cover.
A
Discussion,
council
member,
where.
H
Mr
jim,
is
this
the
item.
I
can't
pull
up
my
agenda,
I'm
having
a
glitch.
H
Was
part
of
the
amendment
yeah?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
got
this
about.
I
guess
like
most
about
two
hours
or
so
ago,
and
I
I
would
ask
that
we
defer
this
and
the
reason
I
say
that
our
staff
and
car
city
has
done
a
wonderful
job
and
with
the
renovation
projects
as
stony
fields
to
date
for
some
of
the
new
members
on
council,
there
was
some
proposals
out
there
to
make
that
green
space
knock
the
stadium
down
and
make
it
green
space.
H
H
I
started
running
track
on
the
asphalt
track
back
at
old
middleton
high
school.
That
track
is
still
there,
but
anybody
who's
an
avid
runner.
When
you
run
on
asphalt,
you
develop
shin
splints.
When
you
see
young
people
walking
around
with
tape
around
your
your
shins,
that's
where
your
muscle
begins
to
separate
from
your
bone
and
very
painful
we've
gone,
I
don't
know,
maybe
eighty
percent
of
the
way
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
little
bit
more
money.
H
I
know
mr
mead
part
of
the
proposal-
and
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
speak
to
me
about
this
one
so
we're
having
all
of
us
having
this
discussion
at
the
onset
right
now,
but
the
initial
proposal
was
for
ncaa
track
now.
Obviously
we
don't
necessarily
need
that,
but
we
can
get
a
better
surface
than
asphalt
for
this
track
will
be
a
track.
H
I
think
it's
going
to
be
using
high
degree
irregularity
just
from
the
standpoint
of
community
runners
with
a
pedestrian
gate
from
the
people
that
live
in
you
know
on
the
peninsula
and
certainly
the
surrounding
area.
H
So
when
you
look
at
the
other
high
school
tracks-
and
this
is
where
we
need
to
go
back
to
ccsd-
I
think,
mr
mayor-
I
think
this
settlement
with
us
from
that
2011
settlement
was
what
2.4
million
or
whatever,
maybe
a
hundred
thousand
on
or
off,
but
that
was
based
on
a
2011
settlement
as
we
fast
forward
down
to
2020.
H
That
means
the
school
district
needs
to
come
up
a
little
bit
better,
and
certainly
we
as
a
city
maybe
need
to
find
out,
even
if
we
kick
the
can
down
the
road
on
the
track
another
year
or
so
until
revenues
increase.
But
I
I
think
this
doesn't
pass
the
50-year
test.
If
you
go
to
any
any
of
the
newer
high
school
west
ashley
high
school,
which
is
now
at
almost
20
years
old,
it
certainly
doesn't
have
an
asphalt
surface.
H
If
you
look
at
the
new
track
that
they
did
up
in
north
charleston
right
off
of
526,
it
doesn't
have
that
you
go
over
to
wandel
high
schools,
both
of
them.
They
don't
have
asphalt
tracks.
I
think
we're
cutting
ourselves
short
and
the
community
show
up
with
that
surface
being
asphalt
over
there.
H
So
I'm
sure
cost
is
coming
into
this,
but
only
had
two
hours
to
think
about
it
and
another
year
or
so
we
have
another
building
or
two
online
from
from
west
edge,
paying
into
the
tif
property
taxes
into
the
tif.
We
need
to
do
something
that
passes
the
50-year
test
and
asphalt
doesn't
do
it
around
that
track.
I'll.
A
Was
it
moved
and
seconded
yes
to
defer?
Yes,
jason,
I
mean.
F
I'll
take
them
back.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
just
for
the
record
I'm
going
to
recuse
myself
from
this
vote.
A
Okay,
understandable
mayor
matt,
taklenberg.
I
Well,
I
appreciate
the
the
experience
that
councilmember
waring
has
as
a
track
and
field
expert
that
I
do
not
have.
I
I
could
run
around
in
a
circle,
but
I
was
not
a
member
of
the
track
team,
so
I
I
I
did
not
focus
on
I'll,
be
honest
with
y'all
on
the
surface
of
the
track
and
I'm
I'm
all
for
us
putting
up
the
best
surface
that
we
can
and
so
here's
the
only
thing
I
would
point
out
that
to
councilmember
warren
and
all
of
y'all
that
the
the
real
time
crunch
is
to
finish
getting
the
surcharge
program
done
the
retaining
wall,
but
the
surface
of
the
track
comes
last.
I
You
know
it's
the
last
thing,
so
I
I
wonder
if,
if
we
could
handle
the
surface
as
a
as
a
change
order,
I
mean
the
school
district
has
already
agreed
to
split
the
cost
with
us,
50,
50
and-
and
I
think
they
stay
good
for
that.
For
for
the
differential
between
asphalt
and
whatever
other
surface,
you
would
propose
my
thing.
I
I'm
time
sensitive
about
is
go
ahead
and
get
the
surcharging
and
the
kind
of
infrastructure
underneath
it
it's
the
the
layout
or
the
size
of
of
the
track
isn't
going
to
change
is
just
the
surface,
but
anyway
I
certainly
what
whatever
the
pleasure
of
council
is.
We
could
even
defer
it
and
and
and
renegotiate
this
one
aspect
of
the
contract
with
the
district
come
back
next
time
or
proceed
and
just
handle
that
as
a
change
order.
G
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
and
I
could
add
my
expertise
to
track
running
as
well,
that
I
was
on
my
high
school
track
team
and
have
very
fond
memories
of
sony
field
track
back
in
back
in
the
day
and
councilman.
Where
is
right,
I
mean
it's
no
question
that
the
difference
in
the
surface
has
an
impact
on
on
folks
with
shin
splits
and
other
injuries
that
you
can
have
running
track,
but
my
question
sort
of
was
very
much
along
the
lines
of
what
the
mayor
had
just
brought
up.
G
What
does
the
recreation
department
feel
about
this
councilmember,
mr
chairman
gregory?
As
far
as
the
delay
that
this
may
cause?
If
we
defer
this
for
a
significant
period
of
time,
I
mean
I
have
no
objections
to
refer
to
it
for
a
couple
of
weeks.
But
what
we're
talking
about
for
the
referral
part
of
this.
A
I've
had
some
preliminary
very,
very
recent,
because
I
have
I
didn't
wasn't
able
to
get
back
to
the
mayor
after
council
member
wearing,
and
I
had
our
conversation,
so
jason
and
laurie
are
are
aware
of
our
interest
in
having
a
having
the
best
track
that
we
could
afford
out
there
something
other
than
asphalt.
A
Some
of
those
discussions,
of
course,
they're
aware
of
certain
cost
that
was
associated
with
our
initial
effort,
which
would
have
been
substantial,
but
I
don't
think
that
that's
what
we're
talking
about
we're
not
talking
about
underpinning
and
then
the
whole
shebang.
So
I
think
laurie
and
jason's
on
the
line.
J
So
I
have
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
jason
kronsberg.
He
will
need
to
speak
more
directly
to
the
overall
project.
One
of
the
big
things
is
having
the
football
field
available
to
us.
Next
fall,
as
you
know,
burke's
not
playing
home
games
this
year,
and
I
know
that
that's
going
to
be
of
interest
to
burke,
high
school
so
and
also
the
recreation
department,
thankfully,
with
the
coved
we're
not
needing
that
football
field
this
year
we're
playing
flag
football,
but
we
all
hope
that
things
change.
J
K
Good
evening,
everyone
so
regarding
the
timeline,
the
mayor
was
correct.
This
is
it's
really
about
getting
the
surcharge,
the
retaining
walls
and
all
of
the
things
in
place
because,
as
you
know,
from
the
first
surcharge
effort
once
the
dirt
goes
in,
it
sits
there
for
six
to
ten
months
with
no
action.
K
So
I
think
it's
it's
a
reasonable
request,
certainly
to
to
go
back
to
the
school
check
district,
negotiate,
a
change
order
to
see
if
we
can
get
that
upgraded
surface
to
the
benefit
of
everyone,
but
hopefully
we
can
get
the
surcharge
contract
ready.
I
know
that
the
school
district
is
ready
to
issue
a
notice
to
proceed
and
they
wouldn't
do
it
without
this
agreement.
A
Yeah,
just
a
quick
question
from
me:
jason:
if,
if
we
do
it,
as
the
mayor
suggests
that
we
go
forward
with
the
approval
but,
however,
when
we
conclude
what
the
cost
differential
will
be
that
we
put
in
a
change
order,
I
think
that's
that's
the
amendment.
I
think
that
the
mayor
wants
to
place
on
the
motion
to
defer.
Am
I
correct
mayor.
I
D
I
was
just
gonna
say
I'm
sorry,
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
if
councilmember
waring
will
withdraw
a
referral
motion
that
I
would
amend
my
motion
to
put
the
change
order,
condition
it
on
the
change
order
to
upgrade
the
surface
of
the
track
once
they
get
to
that
negotiation
with
the
county.
D
A
Okay,
next
is
councilwoman
del
chapo
and
then
councilmember
waring.
L
So
jason,
you
know
those
of
us
in
the
aec
world.
We
do
not
like
change
orders.
L
So
if
we
deferred
tonight
and
with
kind
of
the
understanding
that
you
would
go
and
have
a
conversation
regarding
a
different
surface,
what's
the
difference
in
timeline
of
that
versus,
if
we
approved
tonight
and
then
had
to
come
back
and
approve
a
change
order,
is
one
more
like
compresses
our
timeline
than
any
other
would
explode.
It.
K
K
Redraw
new
pricing
of
different
right
mondo,
so
everything
is
kind
of
the
one
of
the
standards
that
goes
in
across
the
country.
I'd
have
to
defer
to
the
school
district.
I
I
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
take
for
them
to
to
get
all
of
that
work
in
place
and
if
it
would
get
back
in
two
weeks
for
the
next
council
meeting,
I'm
not
sure.
L
I
I
do
thank
you
so
then,
but
essentially
then
what
we're
saying
is
if
we
said
yes
tonight
and
then
they
come
back
with
a
change
order,
then
essentially
work
can
go
ahead
and
immediately
commence.
That's.
K
K
H
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
it's
not
my
intention
to
stop
the
surcharging
of
the
site.
It
was
just
the
surface
of
the
track
and
I
I'm
like
I
agree
with
council
lady
dal
chapel
in
that
you
know
change
order.
I
just
don't
see
why
this
can't
rebuild
the
story.
I
hear
change
and
I'm
a
chairman
of
the
a
project
for
my
church
and
we
right
now
going
through
a
couple
of
change
orders
with
the
contractors.
H
All
I
see
is
extra
dollar
signs
for
the
contractor,
but
mr
crosberg
did:
did
we
bid
this
out
or
did
the
school
district
bid
this
out?
No.
H
Yeah,
I
have
no
problem:
councilwoman
jackson,
withdrawing
the
deferral
and
changing
it
to
going
forward
with
the
surcharge,
but
not
the
asphalt
services
on
the
track.
A
K
I
think
it's
a
logical
scenario
that
that's
correct,
that
it
wouldn't
affect
the
end
schedule.
If,
if
we
get
that
infrastructure
in
place
the
surcharge,
the
retaining
wall-
and
then
we
have
many
many
months
to
to
renegotiate
with
the
school
district
and
get
and
they
can
get
updated
pricing
from
their
contractor
on
the
alternate
surfacing.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council,
yes,
council
member.
H
Where
I
just
want,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
actually
actually
the
surface.
May
it
may
be
light
if
they
use
another
surface.
Besides,
you
know
roc
bass
and
asphalt.
That's
a
lot
of
weight
so
but
yeah
I
don't
have
any
trouble.
Men
change
withdrawing
the
deferral
amending
it
to
move
forward,
except
with
the
track
surface.
A
Okay,
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
as
amended
say
I
I.
F
A
I
any
opposes
the
eyes.
Have
it
item
number
seven
parks,
capital
projects,
approval.
F
C
C
F
M
A
I
Question
I
was
going
to
ask
you
if
you
would
allow
me
just
to
leave
a
little
presentation
by
staff
as
to
what
they've
learned
since
our
last
meeting
regarding
the
smoke
stacks
sure.
A
Yeah
councilman
seeking
thank.
E
You,
mr
chairman,
mr
mayor,
I
just
before
we
begin
and
go
down
this
road.
I
just
want
to
ask
the
question
procedurally,
where
we
are
tonight
and
where
we're
going
forward.
It
shows
the
discussion
we
had
last
time
about
the
smokestacks
is
deferred
for
tonight.
Any
vote
on
that
is
that
where
we
are
we're
just
going
to
take
information
tonight-
and
this
matter
is
deferred.
I
That's
correct
unless
council
is
is
inspired
to
move
forward
with
what
had
been
recommended
two
weeks
ago
after
hearing
the
information
that
we
give
you,
but
I
was
just
going
to
seek
the
consensus
of
of
council
one
way
or
the
other
with
this
discussion.
If
that's
okay,.
A
Yes,
it
is
mayor
who
will
read
the
discussion.
I
So
I'll
leave
and
call
on
first
and
the
most
who,
as
directly
by
council,
who
got
back
with
our
engineer,
craig
bennett,
who
really
in
a
very
timely
manner,
has
given
us
information,
a
more
exact
estimate
on
what
it
would
cost
for
what
I
would
call
the
preservation
of
the
stacks
as
is
keeping
them
at
their
current.
I
Then.
I
would
also
like
to
call
on
shannon
scaff
weekly
to
to
to
share
with
council
on
our
plans,
for
and-
and
this
is
whether
we
go
one
route
or
the
other
of
notifying
the
property
moves
in
the
committee
vicinity
in
the
very
unlikely
event
that
we
felt
an
evacuation
would
be
called
for
of
that
of
the
area.
So,
first
edmond
you
want
to
share
with
us
what
what
craig
bennett
got
back
to
you
with.
M
Yes,
sir
mayor
so
good
evening,
everyone-
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
I
literally
received
this
cost
estimate
at
4
26..
They
asked
for
three
weeks.
We
told
them
you
had
two,
so
they
did
the
best
they
could
and
we
feel
comfortable
sharing
these
numbers.
M
In
a
nutshell,
essentially,
they
would
build
an
interior
steel
frame.
If
you
will,
they
would
have
members
going
up
vertically
toward
the
top
and
they
would
essentially
have
some
some
rings
and
would
all
be
welded
together,
and
this
would
happen
after
the
line
of
bricks
were
removed
from
both
of
the
smoke.
Stacks
is
a
complicated
effort.
M
There's
a
lot
of
different
types
of
work
involved.
All
of
it
would
have
to
be
done
by
scaffolding
and
initially
by
a
crane
just
because
they
can't
put
anybody
inside
of
these
structures,
but
we
went
through
and
we
finalized
a
number
at
about
right-
around
2.8
million
dollars.
There
may
be
a
couple
other
costs
in
here
that
might
drive
it
up
a
little
bit,
but
we
feel
comfortable
sharing
this
number
now
if
we
were
to
go
through
this
process,
retaining
bennett
to
do
this
work
under
the
emergency
procurement
method.
M
Here
it
would
take
them
approximately
four
months
to
put
together
the
design
drawings
submit
them
for
permitting
and
about
a
month
to
get
a
construction
contract
to
counsel
for
approval.
On
the
construction
side,
it
would
take
about
seven
months
for
the
construction
activity
to
actually
the
mobilization
and
all
the
construction
activity
that
happened
on
both
stacks,
so
you're,
looking
at.
If
you
started
this
november
first,
they
would
finish
up
november
1st
2021.
F
I
So
edmund,
thank
you
for
that
update,
regardless
of
whether
we
had
proceeded
with
with
the
proposal
last
time
to
take
the
stacks
halfway
down,
to
get
them
safer
and
and
preserve
them.
That
way,
there
was
a
time
lag,
even
even
with
that
plan,
not
as
long
as
a
year,
so
one
course
or
the
other.
We
have
to
be
prepared
in
the
event
that
we
had
a
prediction
of
gale
force:
winds
of
managing
a
small
evacuation
around
the
perimeter
of
the
stacks.
I
N
Certainly,
mr
mayor,
can
you
hear
me
okay?
Yes,
sir
okay,
good
evening,
everybody
I'll
be
brief.
Here,
bennett
preservation,
engineering
stayed
the
safety
thresholds
for
the
stacks.
Are
winds
of
74
miles
an
hour
or
a
seismic
event
in
the
area
which
I
still
have
some
questions
about.
In
both
cases,
residents
would
have
to
remain
away
from
the
hazard
area
until
an
inspection
has
deemed
the
area
safe,
expected
turnaround.
Time
of
an
inspection
is
5
days.
N
Gis
identified
34
parcels
within
225
feet,
which
includes
60,
addresses
41
of
those
being
residential
and
then
16
parcels
within
135
feet.
26
addresses
with
20
of
those
being
residential
in
the
event
and
evacuation.
The
city
of
charleston
would
likely
have
to
close
drake
street
between
cooper
and
blake
cooper
street
between
east
bay
and
america
and
potentially
a
portion
of
blake
street.
N
The
outreach
plan
is
a
four-pronged
approach
for
the
folks
that
would
be
in
question
here.
An
initial
meeting
with
neighborhood
leadership
and
addresses
in
the
hazard
zone,
followed
by
a
press
release
a
mailer
and
a
door-to-door
visit
by
the
fire
marshal
and
emergency
management.
N
The
sheltering
plan
is
to
provide
hotel
rooms
for
residents
until
the
structures
have
been
inspected
and
deemed
safe.
We
will
not
know
how
many
assistants
to
provide
shelter
for
until
the
fire
marshal
has
conducted
a
thorough
outreach
program
and
has
identified
every
resident
in
the
hazard
area,
and
I
understand
that's
going
to
be
on
ongoing
here.
N
Pretty
quick
carter
and
the
city's
recreation
department
will
assist
in
transportation
efforts
for
those
who
don't
do
not
have
the
ability,
when
I
think
about
just
step
away
from
this
for
a
minute
think
about
in
terms
of
when
we
would
make
something
like
this
happen.
Obviously,
if
we
have
a
hurricane,
this
season
knock
on
wood.
That's
a
low
grade
hurricane
75
mile
an
hour
winds,
we're
not
likely
to
see
an
evacuation
in
charleston
in
this
area
would
be
my
guess.
However,
that
would
meet
the
threshold
for
those
folks
in
that
area.
N
So
what
I
would
look
to
do
is
work
with
other
city
leaders
to
communicate
a
couple
days
in
advance.
What
our
intentions
are.
N
Have
those
folks
folks
make
ready
to
evacuate,
and
then
we
would
march
down
our
timeline
just
as
we've
all
come
to
expect
in
terms
of
when
we
would
evacuate
for
for
a
hurricane,
so
I
think
in
terms
of
12
hours,
24
hours,
36
and
48
and
we'll
begin
those
discussions
in
advance
of
that
event,
and
that
would
be
just
for
again
a
threat
with
74
mile
an
hour
winds
or
greater.
N
The
big
question
here
is
a
seismic
event.
I'm
still
looking
for
some
clarity
on
that.
What
constitutes
a
seismic
event
for
this?
If
it's
something
that
registers
on
the
richter
scale
and
then
you
have
to
consider
the
the
aftershocks
that
could
possibly
occur
so
there's
some
things
to
to
think
about
there
with
that.
N
I'm
gonna
try
my
ninja
skills
here
with
you
and
and
see.
If
I
can
share
a
screen.
I
I
So
he
was
just
going
to
show
us,
I
think,
a
map
of
the
block,
the
neighborhood
here
it
comes
shannon.
Okay,.
N
N
It
the
two
stars
signify
the
towers
themselves.
I
Terrific
all
right
shannon,
so
we
get
down.
I
think,
essentially
to
the
same
question
that
I
posed
to
council
last
week
was
the
differential
in
cost
of
going
one
route
versus
the
other.
I
think
two
weeks
ago
I
estimated
conservatively
maybe
that
it
would
be
about
three
million
dollars
to
preserve
the
stacks.
I
As
is
you
heard
edmond
relay
that
we
we
now
think
that
might
be
2.8,
so
certainly
within
the
ballpark,
but
somewhere
in
that
range
is
what
it
would
take
to
to
fully
preserve
them
and-
and
we
were
at
a
place
last
time
to
to
take
them
down
halfway
and
preserve
them
that
way
and
make
them
safer
that
it
was
gonna
after
we
come
back
and
do
the
brick
pointing
and
all
was
gonna
be
about
750
thousand,
so
you're
about
a
two
million
dollar
delta
amy
is
on
the
line,
and
I
think
she
would
tell
you,
as
most
of
our
ad
hoc
budget
committee
members
would
know,
and
in
all
of
our
council,
that
in
the
general
fund,
we
really
don't
have
two
million
dollars
sitting
around.
I
If
this
is
a
real
priority
for
council
to
to
go
go,
the
distance
would
be
to
recast
the
the
allocations
that
we
have
made
to
the
cooper
river
tiff
district.
This
these
two
stacks
are
in
the
district.
We
they
are
eligible
for
funding.
We
have,
through
our
community
development
committee
and
agreement
by
council
had
had
you
know.
I
We
issued
a
bond
of
11,
almost
12
million
dollars
over
a
year
ago,
and
we
we
allocated
that
to
affordable
housing
to
some
sidewalk
improvements
park,
improvements,
flooding
improvements,
park,
improvements
within
the
district,
so
we
could
pull
that
list
out
again
and
and
take
away
from
some
of
those
other
priorities.
I
If,
if
that's
the
will
of
counsel-
and
I-
and
I
think,
that's
just
a
consensus
at
this
point-
that
I'd
like
to
hear
from
council,
would
you
all
like
to
recast
the
the
the
tif
district
funding
to
include
the
full
preservation
of
the
stacks,
to
the
detriment
of
those
other
projects
or
go
the
lesser
expensive
route
of
taking
them
halfway
down
and
saving
them?
That
way?
Council
member
mitchell.
B
Yes,
mr
mayor,
you.
B
I
heard
I
I
heard
what
you're
saying
about
that,
but
we
fought
hard
and
I
fought
hard
even
to
maintain
money
at
this
tif
for
affordable
housing
and
for
the
drainage
in
that
particular
area,
and
I
said
it
was
a
hard
fight
just
getting
that
done,
and
I
don't
see
myself
voting
to
take
the
money
out
of
the
tif
for
that
particular
smokestack.
B
As
I
mentioned
the
last
time,
I
said
I
might
not
be
the
best
person
in
the
world
that
people
are
going
to
like,
but
I
always
say
when
it
comes
between
bricks
and
mortar
and
a
human
being
I'ma
look
at
the
human
being.
We
need
housing
here
in
the
city
of
charleston,
affordable
housing,
for
people
to
stay
here
on
this
peninsula
and,
like
I
tell
people
all
the
time,
this
is
not
a
place
that
I
came
to.
This
is
not
a
place
that
I
lived
here.
B
B
B
B
We
are
looking
at
I'm
trying
to
be
proactive
and
all
this
and
still
maintain
the
smokestack
presence
there,
just
not
as
high
as
it
is
now,
but
to
take
money
under
the
tip
under
the
drainage
that
we
have
for
that
area
that
has
suffered
for
a
long
time
around
the
public
housing
around
cooper
street
in
that
area
and
not
to
put
these
affordable
housing
unit
in
there
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
near
future
with
the
money.
I
just
can't
see
myself
doing
it.
B
I
Councilman
mitchell,
mr
chairman,
if
I
may
come
back
with
one
don't
mean
complicate
the
decision,
but
I
I
do
want
to
share
with
you
that
the
district
is
doing
well.
We
got
our
numbers
back
from
the
county
not
too
long
ago.
We
do
believe
in
another
year
or
so
that
we
would
be
able
to
to
afford
another
bond
coming
from
this
district.
So
I
I'm
just
being
factual
and
real
it.
I
You
you'd
still
be
able
to
do
those
other
things
that
we've
allocated,
but
you
might
have
to
push
them
down.
I'm
just
I'm
just
saying
eventually
enough
time.
The
tif
district
would
would
would
generate
some
more
funding.
D
I
I
guess
I
I
really
appreciate
that
the
staff
worked
so
hard
with
with
the
bennett
engineering
consultants
to
be
able
to
make
this
report
two
weeks
to
the
day
from
when
we
deferred
the
decision
to
hopefully
hear
a
preservation
study,
I'm
just
mindful
of
the
people
that
were
appealing
to
us
two
weeks
ago
for
the
reason
that
we
did
decided
to
defer
and
the
reasons
that
we
did
decide
to
seek
this
study
on
the
feasibility
and
the
you
know
ballpark
cost
of
preserving
the
stacks
as
they
exist
today,
and
I
I
don't
think
those
groups
have
gone
away,
at
least
in
my
hearing,
so
I
these
items
were
deferred
tonight.
D
Everyone
assured
that
the
constituents
who
were
the
most
concerned
about
what
we
were
going
to
do
we're
assured
that
we
were
deferring
any
vote
about
these
decisions.
I
I
personally
I
mean
I.
D
I
really
also
applaud
shannon
scaff
for
coming
back
to
us
with
the
plan
that
will
be
workable,
no
matter
when
I
mean
if
we're
talking
a
year
or
even,
if
we're
talking
seven
months,
we're
we're
still
rolling
the
dice
about
our
current
storm
season,
and
I
I
just
feel
like
it
would
be
responsive
of
us
as
the
elected
representatives
of
people
from
this
district,
but
also
from
the
whole
city.
D
Who's
been
appealing
to
us
to
preserve
these
as
the
industrial
symbols
that
that
you
know,
people
have
convinced
me
they
really
care
about.
To
be
honest,
I
was
surprised
that
the
neighborhood
felt
so
strongly
about
these
smokestacks
knowing
their
history.
But
I
you
know,
I
don't
live
there.
I
don't
live
in
their
skin.
I
don't
walk
in
the
shoes
of
the
people.
D
We
haven't
been
able
to
give
it
to
the
preservationists
community,
who
are
consulting
with
with
experts
that
I
I
know
are
available
to
us
as
as
another
set
of
eyes
to
all
of
these
reports.
So
I
would
say
that
we
leave
them.
The
two
items
deferred
the
way
that
the
public
thought
they
were
going
to
be
this
evening,
and
maybe
we
can
revisit
this
in
two
weeks.
I'm
I'm
really
glad
to
know.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
that
we
had
to
think
about
this
over
a
two
week
period
of
time
and,
quite
frankly,
my
opinion
on
this
thing
has
changed.
These
are
smoke
stacks.
They
weren't
built
on
the
south
side
of
broad
street.
They
were
erected
on
the
east
side
of
charleston,
and
these
were
things
that
were
industrial
pollutants.
They
polluted
the
air,
it
was
maybe
an
improvement
over
an
open
field.
G
These
things
were
polluting
the
air
of
these
local
residents.
This
is
not
something
that
has
to
me
any
historical
significance:
yeah.
They
look
pretty
cool
hanging
out
there
in
the
air
right
now,
but
these
are
industrial
pollutants
and
we
want
to
keep
them
out
there
as
what
a
reminder
that
we
polluted
the
neighbors
in
that
community.
G
This
is
a
three
million
dollar
project.
It's
a
hazard
to
the
community.
Let's
tear
them
down,
I
don't
want
them
halfway,
let's
just
tear
them
down.
Let's
move
on
with
this.
This
is
not
something
we
talked
kind
of
jokingly
about
this
at
our
budget
committee,
about
the
fire
tower
over
there
behind
the
old
fire
station.
That's
something
we
want
to
preserve
and
maintain
that's
a
different
story
all
together.
It
has
a
history
behind
it,
but
this
is
not
a
pleasant
history,
we're
talking
about
with
smokestacks.
G
So
if
we're
going
to
vote
on
this,
I'm
just
like
I'm
just
voicing
my
opinion
on
it.
I
just
want
to
go
ahead
and
remove
the
smokes
actually
not
not
flew
with
this
much
longer.
Let's
move
on
to
other
business.
This
is
a
danger
to
the
community.
It
was
a
dangerous
community
back
then,
is
it
now
a
real
danger
to
the
community
with
it
falling
down
and
hurting
somebody
and
killing
some
folks?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Yeah
councilman
mitchell
did
I
hear
your
motion
to
bring
them
down
to
half
side.
B
No
wait.
No,
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
I'm
just
listening
to
all
the
dialogues.
That's
happening,
but,
as
I
stated
many
times,
I
represent
that
district
and
people
say
that
they
are
hearing
all
these
things
from
everybody
else.
I'm
hearing
from
other
people
in
the
district
that
hey
you
should
be
torn
down.
I
said
no
just
to
preserve
it,
because
some
people
want
it
preserved
and
that's
why
it
came
down.
B
When
I
talk
about
halfway
a
lot
of
the
people
that
you
are
talking
to,
I
don't
know
who
they
are,
but
a
lot
of
the
information
from
johnson
street
all
the
way
back,
they
said.
Take
it
down
what
the
good
is
doing
there
just
standing
up
there,
just
calling
someone
they
don't
they
don't
care
about
the
smokestack
as
much
as
other
people
coming
here.
B
Just
moving
here
want
that
smokestack
to
stay,
and
I'm
telling
you
facts
that
I'm
out
there
every
day,
I'm
out
there
till
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
out
on
that
east
side,
that's
where
I'm
that's,
where
I'm
there
every
day
all
the
time.
So
I
hear
these
things.
I
hear
a
few
people
talking
about.
Oh,
let
us
stay.
It's
history,
history,
where
for
cinderella
that
was
there
burning,
strikes
through
the
smoke
and
go
up
in
the
air.
B
That's
why
I
came
that
conclusion
of
less
bringing
it
down
halfway,
where
it's
safe
for
everyone
and
they're
still
there
that
they
can
still
preserve
the
smoke
stack
instead
of
demolishing
the
whole
smoke
stack,
that's
where
it
came
from,
and
they
came
from
me
because
I
said
so
many
people
wanted
to
stay.
So
that's
why
I
did
what
I
did
and
I
said
it's
using
money,
all
the
money
to
do
other
things.
I
just
don't
see
it.
You
know
I
think.
A
To
me,
yeah,
council
member
mitchell,
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
to
defer,
while
it
hasn't
been
seconded,
am
I
hearing
emotion
from
you.
I
Mean
leave
it
at
a
bit
unless
council
were
to
take
emergency
change
of
the
agenda,
to
put
them
back
on
the
agenda,
which
would
require
two-thirds
to
vote.
I
You
know,
like
I
said,
y'all
would
have
to
be
inspired
to
do
that.
I
was
hoping
to
get
a
consensus
as
to
whether
council
would
like
for
us
the
administration
to
bring
you
back
a
a
new
contract
with
mr
bennett
to
proceed
with
the
full
preservation
or
basically
to
leave
it
as
is,
and
bring
you
back
next
time.
The
the
two
items
that
that
are
deferred
today
on
the
agenda.
H
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Listen
I
we
start
talking
about
preservation
and
all
of
this
and
the
safe,
the
I
the
the
subject
of
safety
is,
you
know,
we're
kicking
it
down
the
road.
I
agree
with
councilman
shead
on
this.
I
certainly
councilman
mitchell.
The
compromise
is
I'm
ready
to
vote
for
that
compromise.
H
I
was
ready
to
vote
for
that
compromise
last
week,
but
out
of
the
deference
towards
safety,
and
let's
see
how
what
mr
bennett
said,
mr
bennett
had
come
back
and
said:
listen
this
thing
can
handle
maybe
70
or
75
mile
an
hour
or
whatever
it
was.
We
haven't
finished
this
hurricane
season.
We
celebrate
and
I
guess
what
is
it
now
32
years
of
hugo
after
here
today
september
22nd
is
when
hugo
hit
him.
It's
been
excess
of
30
years.
H
Since
we
had
a
major
hurricane,
we
have
been
fortunate
that
the
major
events
that
have
hit
the
coast
of
the
united
states
have
happened
in
the
gulf.
We
pray
for
them,
but
we
have
been
fortunate
that
none
of
those
stare
this
way
to
hit
us
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
the
people
who
want
to
keep
it
preserved.
H
To
see
how
many
of
those
live
in
the
shadow
of
what
may
fall
down
at
the
next
heavy
wind
that
comes
through
here
when
I
saw
the
crack
and
the
pictures
in
the
newspaper
now,
we
talked
about
potentially
waiting
until
november
of
next
year,
which
carries
us
through
another
hurricane
season.
We
haven't
finished
this
hurricane
season,
but
under
the
guise
of
preservation-
and
I
councilman
mitchell
is
being
very
kind,
but
the
people
that
want
to
keep
them
where
they
are.
H
H
For
that
compromise,
I
would
vote
for
it
in
a
skinny
minute,
but
leaving
it
up
there,
knowing
that
with
the
next
heavy
wind
to
come
through
if
one
person
gets
disabled
or
certainly
worse.
Out
of
that,
we
all
would
regret
that.
You
know
why,
because
we
got
caught
up
in
the
conversations
instead
of
putting
people's
health
first,
that's
what
we
have
done
all
this
year
on
the
coving
on
the
tremendous
pressure
from
others.
H
We
have
made
unpopular
decisions
and
differences
in
science
on
covet,
trying
to
help
keep
the
people
safe
and
in
this
one
all
you
have
to
do
is
the
strong
wind
comes
along
and
some
people
certainly
don't
get
hurt
or
maybe
even
die.
H
A
E
E
If
he
can
bring
us
back
and
we
can
see
and
ask
him
some
questions
about
the
two
paths
that
we
might
go
also
mayor,
you
brought
something
up
that
we
hadn't
considered
before
and
that
is
the
performance
of
the
tiff,
certainly
like
to
see
those
numbers
too,
so
that
we
can
make
an
informed
decision
and
finally
hear
from
the
public.
I
mean
there's
been
a
lot
of
surmising
what
the
public
has
to
say.
E
This
shows
us
deferred
tonight,
so
we
don't
know
whether
the
public
came
or
didn't
come,
but
I
think
we
should
get
full
and
put
on
this
two
weeks.
It's
not
going
to
make
that
big
a
difference.
Mr
scaf
has
put
together
a
safety
plan,
we're
going
to
know
what's
coming
ahead
of
us.
So
yes
to
your
suggestion
that
we
see
both
sides
of
this
coin
side
by
side.
We
get
to
hear
from
mr
bennett.
E
A
Yes,
councilmember
mitchell,
yeah.
B
One
of
the
things
I'm
gonna
ask
mr
mayor:
have
you
spoken
to
the
preservation
society
and
the
historical
foundation
to
see
if
they
would
compete
any
money
to
assist
with
this?
If
they
want
this
to
stay
when
they're
talking
about
preserving
it,
if
they're
going
to
accomplish
some
money
to
assist
in
keeping
it
and
preserving
it,
what
kind
of
money
they're
going
to
come
up
with
when
they're
talking
about
preserving
this
and
keeping
it
there?
I
The
only
offer
has
been
for
a
second
opinion
and
and
the
understanding
that
that
might
be
twenty
or
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
another
engineer
to
look
at
it.
I
personally
didn't
feel
that
was
necessary
because
mr
bennett
was
working
with
the.
I
think
they're
called
the
international
chimney
company.
They.
They
worked
with
him
very
closely
over
the
last
two
weeks,
giving
their
expert
opinion
on
how
to
preserve
the
chimneys.
I
If
we
chose
to
do
so
so
I
think
I
think
we
have
excellent
advice
from
from
mr
bennett
and
and
the
the
the
contractor,
and
so
so
anyway.
That
was
all
the
offer
that
I
know
of
okay,.
B
A
A
L
I
can't
do
that
in
good
conscience,
but
I
I
also
you
know
I
want
to
see
the
hardcore
numbers
if
somebody,
if
there's
other
groups
out
there,
who
will
come
up
with
the
money
in
order
to
preserve
them
in
two
weeks,
can
we
get
some
sort
of
better
understanding
of
that
and
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
it's
the
most
important
of
those
people
who
live
in
that
area.
It's
their
community,
it's
their
neighborhood.
B
L
You
know
some
kind
of
presentation
or
do
we
need
to
do
something
in
the
interim
where
we
can
get
some
more
clarity
around
those
things
around
the
community
around
the
tiff
around
the
preservation
groups,
around
donations,
or
you
know
whatever
it
is
in
order
to
then
make
an
informed
decision
in
two
weeks,
because
again,
this
is
one
of
those
things
I
don't
like
that
our
default
is
to
do
is
to
defer.
I
don't
like
that.
That's
our
default
mechanism
I
like
to
like.
Let's
we
need
to
move
things
forward,
whether
we
say
yay
or
nay.
I
Intended
to
have
a
discussion
about
it
frankly
and
not
to
take
action
to
present
you
what
we
know
so
far.
We
certainly
it's
it's
in
our
wheelhouse
already.
I
We
know
how
the
tiff
performed
last
year,
and
so
we
I'll
be
happy
to
to
share
that
with
you
even
before
two
weeks
for
the
next
council
meeting
and-
and
you
can
all
see
what
kind
of
income
is
being
generated
from
that
number
one,
I
mean
that
I
bet
they're
on
the
on
the
phone,
if,
if
not
I'll,
call
them
and
ask
them
how
much
money
they're
willing
to
put
up,
but
that's
in
their
court
and
then
third,
if
I
could
rely
on
councilmember
mitchell,
you
know
if
he
wants
to
have
a
community
meeting
or
something
to
get
the
pulse
further.
I
It
sounds
like
he
already
does
pretty
well,
but
of
the
neighborhood
over
there.
That's
that's,
certainly
something
we
can
do
we're
going
to
have
the
meeting
by
the
way
we're
going
to
call
a
meeting
for
those
property
owners
and
when
we
do
that,
we'll
ask
their
opinion
as
well.
Correct.
A
That
would
be
a
great
time
any
further
discussion
on
this
issue
and
if
I
understand
it
mayor
in
the
next
two
weeks,
bennett
will
come
before
or
we
will
be
presenting
some
type
of
comparison
from
the
bennett
group.
I
We
have
that
in
a
nutshell,
of
course
tonight,
and
I
I
had
to
hope
that
mr
bennett
would
have
been
with
us
this
evening,
but
apparently
he
must
not
have
been
available,
but
we'll
be
glad
to
have
him
ask
if
he
can
join
us
next
time,
we'll
bring
you
the
information
about
the
tif
district
and
we'll
report
to
you
back
of
course,
after
the
meeting
with
them.
H
A
Okay,
all
right
any
council
member
griffin.
D
A
Stretching
okay
any
other
discussions,
if
not
no
actions
required
on
this
item.
Our
next
item
is
item
number
16..
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
real
estate
committee
met
yesterday
afternoon
at
three
o'clock.
I
must
say
that
councilman
rappell
gave
us
a
beautiful
reading.
Yesterday.
I
think
the
mayor
is
going
to
call
on
him
during
council
meeting
to
repeat
that
what
he
provided
for
us
at
real
estate
meeting.
We
had.
B
G
Yesterday,
all
four
were
proof
of
recommendation,
including
the
the
first
item
was
regarding
the
low
line
area.
I've
all
got
specific
questions
on
this,
but
otherwise
I'd
move
that
we
approve
the
real
estate
committee's
recommendations
as
us.
Second,.
A
G
That
that's
kind
of
the
that
was
part
of
the
real
estate
committee's
recommendation.