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City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means 3/33/22
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Pray,
our
heavenly
father,
we
thank
you
for
all
your
many
blessings.
We
come
to
you
today,
asking
for
your
guidance,
your
wisdom
and
support,
and
that
you
will
help
us
as
we
start.
Our
ways
and
means
meeting
today
help
us
to
engage
in
meaningful
discussion
and
fill
us
with
your
grace
as
we
make
decisions
that
will
affect
the
decisions
affect
the
citizens
of
charleston,
as
well
as
our
employees
of
the
city
of
charleston.
We
ask
that
you'll
bring
peace
to
the
conflict
in
ukraine.
B
Lord,
we
pray
for
our
world
leaders
and
others
who
are
attempting
to
bring
peace.
We
pray
for
those
that
are
refugees
and
those
that
are
offering
their
homes
as
a
safe
place
to
stay,
but
we
ask
that
you'll
bring
peace
and
comfort
to
each
and
every
one
of
them
and
protect
them
and
be
with
those
who
are
staying
to
defend
their
country.
Lord,
we
ask
for
your
continued
blessings
on
our
city
staff
and
the
people
of
charleston,
for
it's
in
your
name.
We
pray,
amen,
amen.
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Item
two
approval
of
the
minutes
for
march
8:
2022
moved
properly
seconded
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
the
eyes
have
it
bids
and
purchases
move
for
approval.
Second,
moved
and
properly
seconded
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
all
right
item
four
budget
finance
approval,
discussion
on
items
four
and
item
five,
because
we
tend
to
go
through
millions
of
dollars
in
15
minutes
and
on
this
one
five
is
38
million.
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A
I
mean
I
know
she
knows
the
answer.
I
know
the
answer.
I
think
that
most
people
know
the
answer,
but
I
don't
think
the
public
knows
the
answer
and
I
think
it's
very
important
when
we
go
through
our
ways
and
means
agenda
that
we
don't
rush
through
it
as
I've
done
in
the
past.
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
discuss
these
millions
of
taxpayer
dollars
that
we're
allocating
for
a
specific
activity.
So
you
will
see
a
little
different
movement
on
the
ways
and
means
committee
as
we
move
forward.
C
So
item
number
four
is
a
general
ordinance
for
the
overall
bond
that
we
will
be
issuing
for
the
seawall,
the
low
battery
seawall
project
and
then
five
is
the
specific
ordinance
that
kind.
D
C
Puts
out
all
the
guidelines
for
how
we'll
be
paying
it,
the
trustee
agreements-
all
that
is
what
number
five
is
up
to
38
million
dollars,
not
saying
that?
That's
what
we'll
borrow
it's
just
up
to
38
million
depending
on
how
it
comes
in,
and
what
the
premium
on
the
bond
is
all
that
and
that's
how
we'll
fund
the
remainder
of
the
seawall
project
and
it's
paid
for
with
hospitality
revenues.
A
C
We
were
putting
roughly
five
million
dollars
in
hospitality,
revenue
fees
away
every
year
towards
a
project
and
we're
expecting
a
10-year
project
length
for
that,
and
we
would
just
continue
to
do
that.
So
we
do
have
an
accumulation
of
funds
to
get
us
through,
probably
october
of
this
year.
The
project
is
moving
along
quicker
than
we
thought,
and
so
that's
why
we're
going
ahead
to
bond
this
with
using
the
hospitality
funds
that
we
were.
We
would
have
put
away
for
it
anyway,
basically
to
pay
for
the
debt.
E
Pardon
me
that's
four
and
five.
Yes,
that's
my
point
for
45
for
visited
four.
So
a
little
bit,
we
make
motion
for
four
and
five,
a
second
all.
F
G
So
what
we
did
was
we
put
out
a
selection
committee.
Councilmember
shade
was
on
it
as
well,
and
this
was
for
professional
services
to
basically
do
an
inventory
of
what
we
have
presently
out
there.
All
the
different
departments
and
divisions
then
to
do
a
needs
assessment
of
to
what
do
we
need
moving
forward
looking
out
in
the
future
and
then
to
put
together
a
conceptual
design,
and
we
need
that
basically,
a
program
study
so
that
we
can
have
a
contractor
come
in
and
give
us
square
footage
cost.
G
H
This
was
a
real
estate
transaction
that
occurred
about
15
years
ago,
or
so,
where
the
city
sold
the
milford
street
property
to
the
magnolia
development,
leased
it
back
and
acquired
a
property
over
on
harmon
and
herbert
street
part
of
which
we're
selling
to
the
state
ports
authorities,
but
we'll
still
have
about
12
acres
over
there,
and
so
we
have
an
agreement
with
magnolia
that
at
any
time
now,
they
could
give
us
a
three-year
notice
that
we'd
have
to
get
off
the
property,
and
we
don't
anticipate
that
any
day,
but
it
could
happen
say
in
the
next
year
or
so
so.
H
This
is
the
first
step
for
us
to
analyze,
really
what
our
not
just
our
current,
but
our
future
needs
are
in
terms
of
everything,
that's
currently
transacting
at
milford
street
and
plan
for
its
relocation.
It's
pretty
clear.
We've
talked
about
this
before
that.
We're
not
going
to
even
have
enough
real
estate
to
do
everything
that
we
do
now
at
milford
street
at
this
other
loca
location,
but
we're
going
to
figure
all
that
out.
H
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A
Okay
and
my
question
is,
can
we
buy
it
or
would
we
want
to
buy?
Does
it
have
any
any
specific
use
that
the
city
might
might
might
be
able
to
use
it
for
other
than
public
service?
A
That's
just
something
to
throw
out.
I
mean
we
have
time
to
think
about
it.
Yes,
I
mean
the
location
is
pretty
good
in
terms
of
all
the
development
that's
going
on
in
that
area,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
see
whether
or
not
it's
something
the
city
would
think
about
in
terms
of
land
for
affordable
housing.
H
So
I
mean
the
whole
deal
from
way
back
when
was
that
our
milton
street
property
would
be
a
part
of
the
development,
so
so
I
I
can't
imagine
that
they
want
to
sell
it
to
us.
They
did
as
part
of
that
agreement
agreed
to
give
the
city
two
acres,
four
affordable
housing
and
we
still
anticipate
getting
that
property.
So
there
is
a
provision
for
us
to
get
some
land
in
the
development
it
won't
be
at
milford
street,
but
I
think
it'd
be
nearby.
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C
G
A
Thank
you
any
further
discussion,
councilman
waring
thank.
I
You,
mr
mills,
can
you
go
through
just
kind
of
go
down
the
departments
that
you're
trying
to
locate?
I
guess
in
the
area
that
we
will
eventually
have.
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
it
here
and
will
the
policeman
police
department
have
areas
to
park?
Cars
is
that
part
of
this
calculation
are
not
part
of
this
study.
G
Fire
training,
fire
shop,
fire
shop,
fire
fleet
and
then
there's
the
sign
shop,
sign
shop
and
then
there's
there's
where
the
police
they
blow
up
explosives
in
there
there's
a
small
little
area
for
that
as
well.
There's
a
lot
packed
into
that
area
right
there
there's
a
lot
of
lay
down
areas
as
well
too.
A
It's
a
great
piece
of
property,
councilman,
shea
councilman,
waring.
J
G
We
don't
have
an
expiration
date
that
my
understanding
is
in
the
mlu
or
the
agreement
that
they'll
give
us
a
three-year
notice.
They
have
not
given
that
to
us
yet,
but
as
we
know
that
there
is
a
lengthy
process
with
procurement
and
design,
so
it's
in
our
best
interest
that
we
can
start
that
as
soon
as
possible.
I
would.
J
Just
urge
my
colleagues,
if
you
haven't
gone
out
there
to
do
so,
particularly
on
the
real
estate
committee.
You
know
smith
rappel,
because
it
everything
that
mr
moose
just
outlined
to
us
is
not
really
doing
justice.
How
complicated
this
process
is
going
to
be
to
relocate
to
another
facility
or
how
we
break
it
up
into
different
different
properties
for
these
other
services
to
be
incorporated
at
a
different
location.
So
I'm
glad
we're
doing
this.
Mr
mayor,
I
think
this
is
an
important
step
in
addressing
the
needs
of
the
city
out
there.
I
One
last
question
this
most
I've
heard
about.
I
haven't
seen
it.
I
heard
that
north
charleston
built
a
really
really
good
public
service
department.
Have
you
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
or
do
you
think
it'd
be
worth
going
up?
I
was
going
up
tickets.
G
I
have
not
looked
at
it,
but
as
part
of
this
design
contract,
we
are
going
to
visit
multiple
facilities
and,
yes,
north
charleston
just
finished
up
theirs,
so
we
plan
on
visiting
there.
G
I
think
the
county
is
still
kind
of
wrapping
up
their
design
or
starting
theirs,
and
I
understand
that
city
of
savannah
just
finished
up
theirs.
That
was
a
43
million
dollar
project,
so
we're
planning
on
going
to
that
site
as
well
with
the
city
staff,
to
visit
that
and
understand
how
they
did
it.
Thank
you.
H
Mayor,
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
when
I
was
up
in
greenville,
mayor
white
was
so
kind
to
give
me
a
tour
of
their
new
facility
and
it's
even
offered
to
give
us
design
plans
and
everything.
They
have
a
really
nice
facility
up
there.
So
we'll
include
that
on
the
list.
A
A
A
I
heard
a
second
on
12.,
okay
discussion.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions.
I
think
some
of
these
are
tied
to
our
is
it,
but
this
is
the
kind
of
leaf
program,
the
new
leaf.
We
call
it
turning
lead,
turning
leaf
program,
yeah,
okay,
it
would
be.
A
It
would
be
great
for
us
at
some
point
and
maybe
not
today,
to
just
get
a
sense
of
the
successes
of
of
the
program
in
terms
of
the
investments
that
we've
made
in
the
kind
of
return
that
we're
really
getting
on
it.
I
think
it
would
be
great
at
some
point
for
someone
to
give
us
some
background.
Information
on
the
way
of
watson
wins
councilman.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
want
to
speak
on
all
these,
but
I'm
sure
amy
from
turning
away
or
turn
90
would
love
to
come
and
update
us
on
these.
I
can
tell
you,
from
my
personal
experience,
representing
clients
who
have
gone
to
turning
leaf,
that
it
does
make
a
tremendous
difference
in
each
of
these
investments
that
are
being
made,
whether
this
money
is
coming
from
a
grant
or
whether
we
are
allocating
this
money
to
go
to
turn
90.
K
These
are
the
kind
of
things
that
prevent
crime
in
the
future,
having
a
a
viable
re-entry
program.
That
is
not
just
turning
people
back
out
on
the
street,
but
gives
them
the
therapy
that
they
need
the
job
training
that
they
need
and
the
resume
building
that
they
need.
So
that
they're,
not
just
you,
know
some
business
owners,
not
just
taking
a
chance
right
on
person
off
the
street,
have
no
idea
who
they
are
oftentimes.
K
That
means
they
don't
give
them
that
chance
and
that
person
just
goes
right
back
into
crime
and
the
other
two
things
that
we're
going
to
be
voting
on
are
sort
of
cutting
edge
technology
and
policing
in
forensics.
That
is
going
to
help
solve
crimes.
It's
going
to
help
get
convictions
at
trial,
and
it
is
going
to
take
dangerous
people
off
the
street,
and
these
are
the
kind
of
things
that
we
need
to
be
focusing
on
that
are
going
to
be
sort
of
long-term,
really
boons
to
our
to
our
community.
K
A
Thank
you
for
that
council
member,
any
other.
Yes,.
J
So
we
normally
have
amy
appear
at
our
public
safety
committee
meeting,
so
I
will
coordinate
the
clerk
on
bringing
her
back
in
to
the
public
say
we
haven't
had
one
in
a
while
this
time,
for
I
we
think
we
I
tried
to
get
her
a
schedule.
We
had
a
conflict
with
her
before
so
we'll
get
her
back
for
the
public
safety
committee
meeting
next
time
around
we'll
report
them.
A
Because
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
let
the
public
know
what
we're
doing
in
that
area
and
successes,
in
particular
in
that
area,
in
terms
of
especially
fighting
crime.
Thanks
for
that
explanation,
councilmember
councilman.
C
Mr
chairman,
just
for
the
record
item
number
13,
the
request
from
the
police
department
is
that
it's
you
got
it.
A
A
There
has
been
a
request
submitted
by
the
police
department
that
we
amend
item
13
on
the
agenda
due
to
an
update
budget
request
from
from
justice
assistant
grant
program.
The
amount
of
the
grant
application
in
city
match
needs
to
be
increased
from
24
000
454,
with
a
city
match
of
2040
246
to
30
508
with
a
city
match
of
3058.
A
That's
a
difference
of
six
hundred
and
twelve
dollars.
That's
all
we're
talking
about
here
guys.
The
existing
existing
circumstances
behind
this
amendment
is
at
the
deadline
for
the
grant,
which
would
provide
to
our
police
department.
A
row
of
multi-spectral
cameras
and
related
equipment
is
due
on
march
25th
of
this
year.
A
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
take
the
recommendation
that
the
public
works
committee
had
yesterday
out
of
their
committee,
which
was
to
allocate
1.3
million
dollars,
plus
a
15
contingency
from
the
drainage
fund
for
lake
daughter,
alternative
outfall
project
and
the
reason
for
that
amount
is.
This
is
a
match.
That
is
a
request
that
we've
made
to
charleston
county,
that
they'll
be
discussing
for
the
other
1.3
million.
B
It
was
originally
about
2.6
million
right,
and
you
know
we
have
a
few
of
us
have
spoken
to
some
county
council
members
and
some
county
staff,
and
there
is
a
possibility
that
they
will
be
voting
and
coming
up
with
the
other
half
of
this.
So
so
we've
got
so.
We've
got
a
halfway
match.
Basically,
could.
B
A
D
All
right
yesterday
afternoon,
the
real
estate
committee
met.
We
discussed
three
items.
The
first
two
items
had
to
do
with
charleston
water
systems.
First
one
was
an
agreement
memorandum
of
agreement
with
cws
regarding
the
penn
3a
water
transmission,
main
project,
essentially
a
new
water
transmission
line
in
the
upper
neck
portion
of
the
peninsula.
That
sailed
through
unanimously
after
receiving
a
very
informative
technical
explanation
from
our
legal
counsel
as
well
as
cws
staff.
D
The
second
item
was
a
revised
lease
agreement
with
cws
regarding
the
west
ashley
greenway
to
facilitate
future
cooperation
with
cws,
as
it
pertains
to
things
like
wayfaring
signage
and
other
improvements
that
have
been
talked
about
for
decades.
Frankly,
along
the
greenway
that
haven't
really
happened,
and
this
lease
is
the
first
step
towards
facilitating
that
sort
of
arrangement.
So
for
the
folks
that
don't
know
who
may
be
watching
at
home,
the
west
ashley
greenway
is
actually
owned
by
charleston
water
systems.
D
It's
a
major
sewer
utility
corridor
and
the
city
leases
that
area
for
a
passive
park,
and
obviously
we
got
all
these
things.
We
want
to
do
out
there,
but
cws
has
a
very
important
job
to
do
as
well,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
we
balance
all
that
and
facilitate
that
and
that's
what
this
lease
does
and
we
will
be
engaging
with
the
community
in
the
coming
months
and
years
when
it
comes
time
to
actually
start
implementing
specific
projects.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
on
board
on
this,
the
neighborhoods
various
stakeholder
groups
and,
of
course,
cws
as
well.
We
closed
off
the
meeting
with
a
very
thorough
discussion
with
the
charleston
children's
museum
regarding
their
proposal
to
quit
claim
the
property
that
the
city
owns
where
they're
currently
located
in
order
to
help
them
facilitate
some
financing
for
some
pretty
substantial
upfits
at
the
museum.
D
There
was
a
sort
of
a
a
recognition
that
there
might
be
some
other
options
out
there
short
of
the
city,
just
conveying
the
property
over
to
this
group
for
free.
We
all
are
in
violent
agreement
that
we
want
to
help
the
children's
museum
do
what
they
want
to
do,
but
we're
also
cognizant
of
just
essentially
a
signing
away
for
for
nothing,
some
very,
very
valuable,
real
estate.
Downtown
so
my
recollection,
the
way
we
left
it
was
we
deferred
the
matter
for
further
discussion.
I
think
there's
some
very
smart.
D
You
know
experienced
folks
on
our
real
estate
committee,
not
including
myself,
that
are
gonna
study,
this
a
little
bit
more
reach
out
to
some
of
their
contacts
to
see.
If
there's
some
ways,
we
can
come
up
with
some
alternatives
to
make
this
work,
and
that
was
about
it.
A
Mr
chairman,
I
I
am
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
that
was
going
to
be
my
question:
we're
giving
away
assets
and
how
does
that
affect
our
bottom
line
in
terms
of
the
total
worth
of
the
city
and
that
can
affect
things
down
the
line
in
terms
of
about
borrowing,
capacity,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
So
I'm
glad
that
you
deferred.
D
Oh,
absolutely
and
absolutely
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
issues
that
could
be
implicated
by
the
city,
giving
away
this
land
and
having
it
mortgaged.
What
happens
if,
god
forbid
something
happens,
museum
they're
not
able
to
pay
their
bills
bank's
going
to
foreclose
on
that
property.
We
can't
let
that
happen.
A
A
J
To
the
point
that
councilman
chairman
pelt
was
ringing
up
about
the
foreclosure-
and
I
think
this
was
a
question
that
councilman
boyd
brought
up
about
what
happened
to
the
event
if
this
contract
includes
reverter
clause-
and
it
is
foreclosed
because
of
the
reverted
clause
and
I'm
looking
at
julia
to
correct
me
if
I
misstate
this.
J
But
if
the
default
on
the
on
the
mortgage
on
the
loan
and
with
the
reverted
clause,
the
property
counts
back
to
the
city,
with
a
mortgage
with
the
unpaid
balance
and
that's
something
we
just
need
to
take
into
consideration,
as
we
in
I
mentioned
to
the
folks
who
they
did
a
wonderful
job
with
their
presentation.
Yesterday
that
we
have
sort
of
revertaitis
problem.
J
I
was
about
to
say,
and
one
of
the
items
that
we
took
up
on
the
lease
or
on
a
deed,
was
a
reverter
clause
dealing
with
property
back
in
1921
when
the
recipients
of
the
property
did
not
use
the
property
as
intended.
So
we,
it
should
have
reverted
to
the
city
and
then,
of
course,
we
got
putting
litigation
with
the
city
with
the
tulsa
school
of
law.
So
there's
some
kinks
that
need
to
be
worked
out.
Councilman
rappel
said
this
very
eloquently.
J
K
D
It's
my
understanding
that
it's
more
of
the
latter,
and
it
would
be
my
expectation
that
once
we
actually
have
some
answers
to
some
of
these
questions
fleshed
out
that
they're
more
than
welcome,
museum's,
more
welcome
to
come
back
before
the
real
estate
committee
for
discussing
those
items
all
right.
K
The
other
just
a
follow-up
to
that.
You
know
in
discussions
with
them.
They
they
had
mentioned
to
me
several
times
that
the
the
term
museum
is
oftentimes
confusing
to
folks.
It's
really
not
a
museum.
It's
an
active
play
for
children
to
play
so
oftentimes
when
we
compare
our
visitors
for
comparing
our
other
visitor
museums
and
it's
not
apples
to
apples.
So
I
guess
my
point
is.
As
these
discussions
continue,
I
would
say
that
you
know:
charleston
is
probably
in
the
minority.
K
Many
places
in
greenville
asheville
support
these
children's
museums,
because
they're
not
just
providing
services
to
kids
that
pay
they're
providing
services
to
many
of
our
schools
title
one
schools
downtown,
so
a
relocation
would
be
detrimental,
but
I
also
think
potential
city
match
on
some
funding
would
go
a
long
way
because
they
do
bring
in
revenues
and
they
are
looked
at
in
a
different
regard
than
just
a
museum.
They
really
are
a
place
of
education
and
learning
for
kids.
F
Member,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
and
council
member
appellate
chairman
appel
was
kind
enough
to.
Let
me
join
in
a
little
bit
on
the
discussion
yesterday.
I
just
think
for
all
of
us
just
to
understand
what
the
underlying
issue
is
with
all
this.
The
children's
museum
doesn't
want
to
go
anywhere.
We
don't
want
them
to
go
anywhere.
They've
been
in
that
building
a
long
time.
The
lease
that
they
have
right
now
still
has
a
run
of
36
years,
left
on
it
plus
or
minus.
Am
I
right
about
that?
36
years?
F
It's
a
long
time,
long
time,
47
47
more
years,
so
the
issue
that
they
brought
and
two
board
members
came
and
spoke,
gave
a
presentation.
Is
they
want
to
do
about
four
million
dollars
worth
of
outfits
so
they've
already,
basically
designed?
I
believe
they
told
us
yesterday,
they've
got
preliminary
approvals
to
go.
What
they
don't
have
is
the
money
and
what
they
didn't
necessarily
want
to
do
is
come
back
to
the
city
and
say
it's
your
building.
F
So
that's
the
question
that
was
left
open
at
the
real
estate
committee
and
will
be
for
this
council
as
well,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
came
of
it
is
that
we
need
to
work
with
them
now
to
just
to
figure
out
how
the
best
way
to
finance
this
deal
is.
I,
I
think,
we're
going
to
learn
that
it's
to
sell
them
this
building
with
a
with
a
very
easy
and
simple
reverb.
F
If
it's
not
a
children's
museum,
it
comes
back
to
us
because
if
they
mortgage
even
with
a
lease,
the
mortgage
is
going
to
have
as
part
of
its
collateral,
among
other
things,
not
just
the
value
of
the
lease
which
is
not
really
collateralized,
it's
the
building.
So
if
they
default,
even
as
a
banks,
leaseholder
come
back
after
the
building
anyway.
F
So
I
think
that
I
kind
of
state
where
that
was
mr
mayor,
and
so
I
think,
there's
sort
of
a
divide
as
to
where
it's
going
to
go
but
no
divide
on
whether
or
not
this
is
something
we
want
to
support.
Keep
the
children's
museum
where
it
is.
They
did
present
us
some
numbers
about
how
many
people
come
and
visit.
They
do
keep
a
track
of
where
people
come
from.
They
also
talk
about
how
many
schools
they
go
into.
F
They
are
not
just
a
museum,
they
are
also
an
educational
facility
that
goes
out
into
schools
all
over
the
all
over
the
county.
I
think,
and
all
all
over
the
region,
so
we'll
get
them
back
here
once
it
sort
of
gets
sorted
out
through
council
members,
appeals
committee
and
get
them
going,
but
sooner
rather
than
later,
because
it's
not
getting
any
cheaper
to
up
for
the
building
right.
So
I
think
there
is
some
sense
of
urgency.
Okay,
so
thank
you.
A
And
so
the
real
estate
committee
deferred,
that
am,
I
correct.
That
is
correct,
so
the
other
items
are
items
a
and,
oh
I'm
sorry,
councilman.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
There
was
a
robust
discussion,
as
jim
appel
said.
Out
of
that
was
a
suggestion
actually
from
councilmember
seekings
that
maybe
the
board
of
the
children's
museum
should
have
one
or
two
city
council
people,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
debt
is
secured
directly
or
indirectly,
the
city
is
going
to
be
involved.
I
Somebody
needs
to
have
the
eyes
and
ears
over
those
books
if
you
will,
or
as
those
decisions
are
being
made,
that
has
the
city's
interests
at
heart.
I
Taking
the
example
of
a
foreclosure
on
the
property,
we
shouldn't
be
in
a
position
in
the
event
that
that
were
to
happen
worst
case
scenario
of
finding
out
the
worst
case
scenario.
At
the
worst
time.
Usually
people
get
into
foreclosure
because
of
cash
flow
problems,
and
if
you
have
eyes
and
ears
around
the
table,
maybe
you
can
help
prevent
cash
flow
problems.
So
that's
a
structural
piece
that
I
think
the
museum
needs
to
work
with.
I
I
thought
it
was
a
very
good
idea
as
a
matter
of
fact
who
suggested
no.
D
L
I
So
that
point
about
coming
in
with
the
white
cape
when
a
crisis
is
is
afoot.
We
should
be
there
well
in
advance
of
that.
Okay,
so
I
think
I
hope
they
would
follow
up
on
that
suggestion,
because
I
think
there's
a
way
the
city
can
help.
Everybody
feels
there's
a
way
the
city
can
help
besides
giving
away
the
asset,
but.
A
A
Do
I
have
motions,
correct,
moved
and
properly
seconded
any
further
discussion
on
item
a
and
b,
if
not
all
in
favor,
say
I
I
I
the
eyes
have
it
now
we
come
back
to
item
16
and
and
before
we
get
into
voting
and
all
that,
let's
just
have
some
discussion
and
mayor
teckenberg.
H
My
colleagues
thank
you
for
your
attention
to
this
matter.
You
know
this
expression
that
sometimes
it's
important
to
keep
your
eyes
on
the
prize
of
what's
important.
In
this
case,
I
believe,
what's
important,
is
the
city's
efforts
to
assist
those
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
or
at
risk
of
falling
into
homelessness.
H
I
believe
personally,
when
I'm
judged
it
will
be
partly
on
how
I've
treated
those
least
of
my
brothers
and
sisters.
I
think
you
can
extend
that
to
a
city
as
well
that
we're
judged
by
how
we
care
for
those
most
in
need.
So
I
I
really
don't
want
a
a
personal
issue
to
get
in
the
way
of
y'all
keeping
focus
on
on,
but
I
think
it's
the
prize
here
and
that's
how
we're
helping
those
experience
in
homelessness.
H
So
I'm
I'm
going
to
abstain
from
voting
on
this
matter
this
evening,
so
as
to
disallow
any
confusion
by
the
fact
that
my
son's
real
estate
company
happens
to
be
a
tenant
in
the
in
the
property.
H
If
respectfully,
if
y'all
will
allow
me
to
speak
for
just
a
couple
of
minutes,
so
not
about
the
property,
but
about
our
efforts
over
the
last
few
years
about
homelessness.
So
I
can
accentuate
kind
of
where
we
are
with
this
and
then
I
think,
both
from
a
public
safety
point
of
view
and
then
from
a
housing
and
a
housing
point
of
view
that
both
chief
reynolds
and
gianna
shaw
johnson
would
like
to
weigh
in
so
I've
been
around
this
issue.
H
Most
of
my
life,
because
I
was
recruited
by
my
mother
when
she
was
on
city
council
to
be
a
volunteer
at
the
y
mca
on
canon
street,
where
which
was
where
the
homeless
shelter
was
during
for
cold
weather
and
and
my
mom
and
mayor
riley
and
other
council
members
would
often
staff
the
ymca
on
canon
street.
So
with
that
recruitment,
I
ended
up
volunteering
and
becoming
the
president
of
crisis
ministries,
which
the
city
helped
form
in
the
80s
and
so
for
a
couple
of
years.
I
I
was
president
of
that
organization.
H
They
have
now
turned
into
180
place,
which
does
a
remarkable
job.
They
are
great
and
in
fact
we're
partnering
with
them,
hopefully
finally
going
to
break
ground
this
year
on
upper
meeting
street
on
to
build
some
transitional
housing
for
the
clients
of
180
place,
which
is
great,
but
the
thing
is
they
don't
serve.
H
Everyone
who's
experiencing
homelessness
in
our
community,
and
there
was
no
greater
evidence
of
that
fact
than
when
I
got
elected
and
sworn
in
in
january
of
2016,
and
there
were
hundreds
of
tents
underneath
I-26.
We
called
it.
H
For
those
that
were
in
tent
city
to
create
what
we
have
been
calling
the
navigation
center
at
529
meeting
street,
which
is
a
property
that
we
don't
own
and
if
you
all
haven't
been
to
the
navigation
center,
I
highly
recommend
you
go
there
and
see
what
what
we
have
going
there
and
our
plans
for
for
improving
those
services.
But
basically
it's
wraparound
services
led
by
non-profits
to
minister
to
those
experiencing
homelessness,
and
we
want
to
focus
in
the
future
a
little
more
on
those
who
are
at
risk
of
becoming
homeless.
H
So
the
city
council
approved
for
this
year's
budget
a
little
bit
of
addition
to
staffing,
because
we
felt
that
the
city
needed
to
take
a
more
direct
oversight
role
in
the
operation
of
the
navigation
center.
Some
of
the
nonprofits
come
and
go,
and
we
just
felt
like
we
needed
to
have
a
steadier
presence
there,
so
we've
actually
recently
hired
a
navigation
center.
H
Of
course,
the
proposal
is
to
call
it
the
hope
center
in
the
future,
but
we've
added
staff.
So
next,
if
I
would
I
mentioned
that
this
ties
in
to
public
safety,
I
don't
know
about
y'all.
I
still
get
calls
and
pictures
all
the
time
of
citizens
who
they
want
to
help
the
homeless,
but
they
also
in
a
way,
are
just
complaining
and
fearful
of
of
of
those
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
H
It's
it's
not
a
crime
by
the
way
to
be
homeless,
and
we
very
proactively
will
issue
tickets
and
arrests,
individuals,
whether
they're
homeless,
or
not,
for
breaking
the
law,
but
it's
not
against
the
law
just
to
be
homeless,
but
it
it.
It
is
a
public
safety
issue,
and
that
was
part
of
the
issue
at
kent
city
as
well.
So
I
think
chief
reynolds
is
on
the
line
and
wanted
to
share
a
few
comments
about
that
and
then
we'll
turn
it
over
to
giana
chief.
M
Thank
you
mayor
and
council.
I
I
I
want
to
just.
I
hope,
I'm
not
digressing
too
much,
but
I
will
off
complete
comment,
turning
leaf
and
turn
90..
I
wanted
to
get
on
earlier
and
I
wasn't
able
to
get
on,
but
the
idea
of
disrupting
the
pipeline
to
prison
what
they're
accomplishing
with
job
training
and
resumes
and
employment
and
and
reducing
recidivism
amy
bart,
who
runs
that
program
is
amazing.
M
I
I
really
believe
she's
kind
of
cracked,
the
code
and
reducing
recidivism,
there's
others
in
colombia,
the
governor
and
and
my
counterparts
in
columbia,
pd,
richland,
county
sheriffs
and
others
who
now
have
br
have
embraced.
That
program
which
started
here
in
charleston
and
now
is
expanding
up
to
colombia,
and
I
know
the
university
of
chicago
and
others
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
what
they're
doing
so
it's
a
very
successful
program.
M
M
I
couldn't
be
more
supportive
of
what
the
mayor
is
trying
to
accomplish
what
the
city
is
trying
to
accomplish
what
gianna
has
been
working
on
for
years.
We
can't
arrest
our
way
out
of
this
problem
when
you
look
at
the
the
issue,
there's
a
need
for
capacity,
there's
a
need
for
alternative
resources
than
just
arresting
people,
responding
to
costs
or
service,
and
just
those
things
are
extremely
important,
but
we
need
to
have
a
more
permanent
solution,
more
capacity,
more
resources
to
address
this
problem,
which
is
a
real
quality
of
life
issue.
M
It's
gotten
a
lot
of
attention
from
a
lot
of
people,
and-
and
I
just
I
think
this
is
a
great
initiative
when
you
look
at
national
efforts
for
what
policing
is
doing
around
the
country
and
public
safety
in
general.
It's
to
try
to
find
alternatives.
M
The
police
cannot
do
everything
for
everybody
all
the
time.
How
are
we
involved
in
our
partners?
How
are
we
engaging
and
collaborating
with
others
in
the
schools
with
mental
health
issues,
with
the
hospitals
with
people
who
are
in
crisis,
people
that
need
help
that
need
intervention
that
need
training
that
need
counseling
and
other
things?
M
And
this
accomplishes
that
I
think
it's
a
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and
I
think
it
will
help
in
addition
to
everything
else,
we're
doing
make
our
city
safer
and
and
protect
and
serving
our
residents
and
our
tourists
and
our
businesses.
L
Good
afternoon,
mayor
and
members
of
council,
some
of
what
I
was
going
to
mention
has
been
mentioned
by
the
chief,
but
I
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
things
for
your
information
oftentimes.
We
think
of
homeless
persons
as
those
persons
that
are
living
on
the
street,
which
they
are
those
that
are
living
under
our
bridges,
those
that
are
living
in
our
garages
that
we
literally
see
with
our
eyes
on
the
street.
I
would
tell
you
today,
those
are
not
our
only
homeless
persons,
the
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
defines
homelessness.
L
Different
from
what
homelessness
actually
is.
Homelessness
is
also
that
mom
with
the
children
that
is
couch
surfing,
that
is
living
with
grandma
or
living
with
auntie,
who
do
not
have
a
permanent
residence
or
permanent
excuse
me
address
homelessness.
Is
our
city
employees,
who
called
our
office
over
the
last
three
months
working
folks
that
have
nowhere
to
live
homelessness?
L
Is
the
lady
that
I
helped
last
week
who
called
and
said
I
need
help,
I'm
living
in
my
car
with
my
two
children
and
my
dog,
and
I
need
somewhere
to
live
because
it's
going
to
be
cold
tonight.
She
was
not
wanting
to
go
to
any
of
the
shelters
that
we
have
up,
so
I
called
the
non-profit
that
I
knew
and
I
said:
can
you
pay
for
a
hotel
for
the
weekend?
Fortunately,
I
was
able
to
get
that
chief
executive
officer
who
agreed
in
fact
to
do
that.
L
We
then
asked
that
individual
to
go
to
the
navigation
center
on
monday
to
make
sure
that
she
could
get
connected
with
services
that
would
ensure
that
she
and
her
children
and
their
dog
did
not
have
to
live
in
their
car
beyond
last
monday,
and
we
were
successful
in
doing
that.
We
were
successful
because
we
had
a
location
that
we
could
send
this
resident
to
to
help
her
find
safe,
decent
and
affordable
housing,
and
so,
as
we
think,
about
the
acquisition
of
11
cunnington
street,
I
want
us
to
consider
those
dynamics.
L
We
need
a
location
where
we
can
relocate
what
is
now
referred
to
as
the
navigation
center,
so
that
we
can
continue
and
enhance
these
services.
We
currently
have
a
non-profit
organization
at
the
navigation
center
who's
doing
a
good
job.
We
need
to
do
a
better
job.
We
need
full
engaged
services
to
ensure
that
the
city
of
charleston
can
meet
functional
zero.
What
does
that
mean?
For
us?
That
means
anyone
who
becomes
homeless
can
very
quickly
be
re-housed.
That
is
our
goal.
L
We've
been
engaging
and
having
conversations
with
a
number
of
partners
over
the
last
year,
and
I
would
say
to
us,
council
members-
and
you
probably
know
this
already-
coven
19
exacerbated
this
issue.
We
have,
if
you
look
at
charleston
county
and
the
number
of
folks
that
have
asked
for
rental
assistance.
The
numbers
are
up
exponentially.
L
You
all
approve
through
our
cares
act,
funding
monies
that
went
to
seven
different
organizations
and
literally
of
those
seven
half
turned
around
asked
for
more
money
soon
after
we
gave
them
the
allocation
of
approximately
fifty
thousand
dollars,
because
the
issue
is
real.
If
you
looked
at
60
minutes
this
past
sunday,
they
talked
about
the
millions
of
housing
that
is
needed
in
the
the
united
states
of
america,
and
so
I
would
say
to
us.
L
Naturally,
homelessness
is
directly
correlated
to
the
lack
of
housing,
but
I
would
say
to
you:
housing
alone
will
not
solve
our
homelessness
issue.
If
we
do
not
have
the
appropriate
wraparound
services
to
ensure
the
long-term
success
for
these
individuals,
we
will
continue
to
see
them
on
the
bridges.
In
fact,
I
would
challenge
us
and
say
we'll
see
more
of
them
on
the
streets,
and
you
all
know
who
call
me
or
who,
who
texts
or
email
my
staff
and
appropriately
to
address
concerns
in
the
community.
L
This
is
a
methodology
by
which
we
can
address
these
concerns
for
the
long
term
as
it
relates
to
eleven
cunnington.
I
approach
this
organization
because
it
is
located
next
to
property
that
the
city
closed
on.
I
was
excited
because,
when
I
walked
in,
I
envisioned
the
navigation
center
or
those
services
being
there.
It
can
literally
accommodate
right
now
what
we
need
to
have
in
relation
to
providing
services
to
our
homeless
individuals.
So,
as
you
contemplate
your
decision,
I
ask
that
you
would
give
all
of
that
thought.
L
I
would
also
say
to
you:
you
all
have
a
copy,
because
I
emailed
it
to
you
and
I
believe
it
was
also
in
your
counsel
packet,
the
new
appraisal
that
was
requested
of
us.
We
have
that
available
to
you.
A
million
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
is
the
new
value
that
came
in
under
a
different
appraisal
organization,
which
again
is
higher
even
than
the
last
appraisal,
but
beyond,
even
that
this
site
will
help
us
meet
the
needs
that
we
have
without
a
delay
in
services
to
this
population.
L
Additionally,
almost
80
percent
of
the
funding
that
is
going
towards
this
acquisition
is
non-city
funding
the
mayor's
commission
on
homelessness
and
affordable
housing,
which
is
comprised
of
city
of
charleston
city
of
north
charleston,
the
town
of
mount
pleasant
and
the
town
of
somerville
have
actively
been
engaged
in
a
donation
campaign
towards
getting
a
hope
center
up
and
running
because
the
they
recognize
the
need
or
in
support
of
it.
Thank
you.
L
A
As
we
proceed,
so
the
only
way
that
the
wrap-around
services
can
be
provided,
okay
is
from
us,
because
180
doesn't
provide
wrap-around
services.
L
Yes,
180
provides
wrap-around
services,
but
180
is
not
meeting
the
need
of
all
of
the
homeless
persons
that
we
see
on
the
streets
under
the
bridges
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
They
absolutely
provide
wrap-around
services,
in
fact
we're
working
in
concert
with
some
of
their
outreach
team.
Along
with
our,
we
have
a
one-member
outreach
team
at
the
moment
to
go
out
on
the
streets,
because
studies
have
shown,
and
evidence
has
shown
that,
as
you
have
outreach
and
you
can
build
a
rapport
with
those
on
the
streets,
the
likelihood
that
they
will
receive
services
is
higher.
A
And
and
a
couple
more
questions,
the
due
diligence-
and
I
think
I
raised
this
before
in
terms
of
how
we
got
where
we
are-
I
mean
how
many
more
properties
did
we
look
at
what
were
the
the
the
prices,
the
benefits
just
to
just
just
so
the
council
get
a
sense
of
the
kind
of
due
diligence
we
went
through
to
get
to
cunnington,
I
mean
how
many
other
buildings
did
we
look
at
how
many
other
buildings
at
1.3,
1.5
million,
that
we
look
at
that
might
be
available
to
sort
of
make
the
determination
that
cunnington
is
the
best.
L
So
I
have
spoken
to
many
realtors
looked
at
a
number
of
sites,
two
sites
in
the
neck
area
and
before
I
go
any
further
with
that.
What
I
was
looking
for
was
buildings,
that
someone
would
give
us
versus
us
having
to
pay,
because
we
didn't
have
the
the
capital
and
the
funding
to
facilitate
acquisition
at
the
time.
L
We
could
not
pursue
that
for
a
number
of
reasons
that
particular
church
was
engaged
and
brawled
in
some
other
matters
that
needed
to
be
cleared
up,
even
though
it
was
vacant
at
the
time
that
we
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate
to
look
at.
There
were
two
parcels
in
the
neck
area
that
we
looked
at,
that
another
non-profit
partner
referred
to
us.
I
felt
like
they
were
too
far
up
and
that
those
who
needed
the
services
the
most
would
not
be
able
to
access
them
at
the
time.
L
Those
properties
were
in
the
seven
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
price
range
that
was
approximately
pre-coded
about
two
years
ago
now
we
were
in
conversations
most
recently
with
the
folks
on
st
margaret
street
florence
crittenton.
They
are
looking
at
doing
something
different
with
their
property,
and
so
my
team
had
conversations
with
that
executive
director
around
what
that
could
look
like
that
property.
They
were
anticipating
that
it
would
be
in
excess
of
a
million
plus
dollars
for
acquisition.
L
They
also
advised
that
it
required
two
plus
million
in
monies
to
repair
that
building
in
order
to
facilitate
and
accommodate
what
we
thought
would
be
necessary
there,
and
so
there
have
been
others
over
the
years,
but
there
have
been
factors
primarily
related
to
money
that
did
not
allow
us
to
go
after
any
of
those
properties
that
we
mentioned
and,
more
importantly,
making
sure
that
the
properties
would
meet
the
need
of
this
clientele
and
also
blend
well
into
the
community,
because
if
I
can
just
be
frank,
everybody
does
not
embrace
homelessness
most
of
our
citizens.
A
If
this
thing
doesn't
pass
tonight,
knowing
you
as
a
manager,
okay,
you've
thought
it
through
in
terms
of
potential
alternatives.
Do
you
have
any
alternatives,
just
in
case
this
thing
doesn't
pass
tonight.
L
So
if
you
all
choose
not
to
approve
this
we're
going
to
stay
where
we
are
for
a
time
go
back
to
the
owner,
they
have
been
checking
with
me
more
often,
as
I
said
to
you
all
before
they've
been
quite
gracious
and
allowing
us
to
lease
this
for
a
dollar
a
year
and
matt
frolic,
our
assistant
cfo,
would
say
it
didn't
cost.
Just
a
dollar
gianna
we've
been
paying
other
costs
related
to
that
building.
Right
now,
the
hvac
in
particular
upstairs
does
not
work.
It
has
two
very
large
hvac
systems.
L
Neither
neither
work
very
well
when
we
initially
went
in
that
building.
Several
years
ago,
we
made
some
small
repairs
to
it
and
have
done
some
things
over
the
year
to
help
maintain
the
building.
So
we
will
stay
there.
We
will
have
to
make
repairs
to
that
building
and
then
we
will
continue
to
look
for
another
location.
L
We
have
some
in
mind,
but
they
are
they're,
not
fitting
that
need
like.
If
I
can
just
be
frank,
so
we
will
have
to
employ
other
professionals
realtors.
We
have
one
under
contract
now
to
help
us
find
a
location,
and
I
would
just
remind
our
council
members,
nothing's
inexpensive
in
the
city
of
charleston
right
now.
Nothing
we
bought
three
five,
seven
and
nine
cunnington.
It
was
valued
at
a
million
six
hundred
and
twenty-five
thousand.
L
We
were
fortunate
to
acquire
it
for
one
million
four
hundred
and
twenty-five
thousand,
or
so
we
had
looked
at
that
property
seven
years
ago
before
we
bought
it
last
year,
and
so
we've
been
looking
because
part
of
what
we
do
in
seeking
to
enhance,
affordable
housing
is
attempting
to
find
land.
Land
is
extremely
expensive
in
the
city
of
charleston
and
if
you're
looking
at
a
building,
you
are
going
to
look
at
very
high
cost,
especially
right
now
to
renovate
that
building
and
bring
it
to
a
standard
where
you
would
have
folks
come
in.
A
A
What
are
the
advantages
of
doing
it
that
way
versus
having
sort
of
a
separate
hope
center
from
the
new
construction
that
we're
we're?
Considering.
L
Yes,
sir,
we
thought
of
that.
Initially,
when
we
were
looking
at
the
number
of
units
that
could
be
built
at
huntington
at
three
five,
seven
and
nine,
it
was
thought
that
we
could
maximize
the
number
of
affordable
units
on
that
site
and
possibly
if
we
had
to
use
that
ground
floor
for
some
kind
of
office
space
that
we
could
rent
out,
because
11
cunnington
or
the
hope
center
is
not
a
profit
producing
center.
And
so
in
order
to
ensure
that
we
can
sustain
it.
For
the
long
term.
L
The
thought
was
that
we
could
possibly
rent
out
some
bottom
space
at
our
units
if
we
had
to
do
that
in
order
to
help
sustain
huntington
avenue-
and
we
thought-
because
of
all
of
the
reasons
that
we
mentioned
a
few
minutes
ago-
that
I
mentioned
a
few
minutes
ago-
around
stigma.
L
We
thought
it
was
important
and
because
of
the
efforts
of
the
mayor's
commission,
that
the
center
have
its
own
identity,
identity.
And
so
that's
why
we
thought
it
appropriate
to
leave
it
separate.
A
And
the
last
question
that
I
have,
if
we
do
vote
to
buy.
A
And
we
start
our
construction
on
housing
for
people
80
and
below,
including
the
homeless.
Do
you
see
that
building
because
of
the
nature
of
what
we're
doing
going
down
in
value
considerably.
L
I
don't
I'm
not
an
appraiser
by
any
means
right
now,
180
place,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
they're
about
to
build
70,
new
units
of
affordable
housing
and
literally
all
around,
that
is
market
rate
housing.
If
we've
gone
on
meeting
street,
we
have
multiple
rental
apartments
market
rate,
every
single
one
of
them
that
are
seemingly
doing
just
fine
without
the
the
devaluing,
if
you
will
of
the
properties
as
they
are.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
giona.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
Like
you,
mr
mayor,
I
remember
the
first
time
I
went
to
what's
now
called
180
place.
I
think
I
got
recruited
by
maybe
the
same
person
or
maybe,
as
our
aunt
pauline
sattili
got
me
involved
in
spending
the
night
at
a
homeless,
shelter.
J
I
think
it
was
the
candidate
street
ymca
was
where
we
initially
did
it,
and
it
was
a
scary
experience
something
I
never
had
the
opportunity
to
do
before,
but
you
walked
out
of
there
with
a
better
sense
of
understanding
the
plight
of
folks
who
live
on
the
street
and-
and
I
appreciate
giona
your
further
definition
of
what
homeless
really
means,
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
that
I
haven't
been
able
and
not
to
the
point
that
I
should
participate
more
in
serving
the
homeless,
that
I
think
we
all
need
to
do,
and
you
truly
are
doing
god's
work.
J
John,
and
I
mean
that
in
our
sincerity,
we
are
charged
with
clothing.
The
naked
feeding,
the
hungry
and
housing,
the
homeless
and
homelessness,
as
you
were,
describing
goes
beyond
a
person
living
on
the
street
and
I
think
councilmember
warren
made.
This
comment
yesterday
at
a
public
works
committee,
meeting
that
our
two
biggest
challenges
and
I'm
not
sure
which
one
takes
priority
over
this
flooding
issues
and
housing,
and
it's
not
just
homelessness,
it's
and
it's
not
just
affordable
housing.
J
It's
attainable
housing
and
I
listened
to
that
60
minutes
presentation
that
you
just
referred
to
as
to
how
rents
have
gone
up
in
jacksonville
florida
by
30,
and
I
have
children
who
are
in
the
age
of
buying
houses
and
looking
for
affordable
housing
as
well,
and
they
want
to
stay
within
the
city
and
it
is
getting
more
difficult
by
the
minute.
J
I
think
we
all
are
very
much
in
tune
with
the
problem
that
we're
trying
to
face
and
trying
to
address
and
mayor.
You
know
you
were
faced
with
that
challenge.
Your
first,
I
think,
maybe
the
first
week
in
office
as
I
recall
that-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
controversy
because
I
think
at
that
point
180
plays-
have
changed
with
its
criteria
on
taking
in
homeless
folks.
J
This
is
a
serious
issue
in
our
community.
I
know
that
we
need
to
to
address
it
and
I
think
part
of
the
problem
that
I'm
having
on
approving
the
acquisition
of
this
property
for
this
price
is
because
I
think
we
all
understand
the
cost
of
this
seems
to
me
and
I've.
I've
read
the
second
appraisal.
I
don't
know
why.
J
I
said
that
that
the
first
time
when
we
just
came
up-
and
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
minutes
of
our
meeting-
that
we
had
back
on
february
22nd
in
this-
apparently
some
miscommunication
with
this,
because
I
thought
I'd-
ask
this
question,
but
going
back,
councilman
bowden
asked
what
is
the
purpose
of
the
motion
to
defer?
J
We
haven't
proved
these
minutes
yet,
but
this
is
with
what
I'm
reading
and
he
said,
is
it
for
the
purpose
of
an
appraisal
or
is
it
for
airing
out
of
grievances?
We're
talking
about
and
council
member
responded,
no
the
purpose
initially
in
real
estate
and
now
here
to
negotiate
a
better
price,
and
I
think,
that's
sort
of
where
I'm
stuck
with
on
on
this
issue,
and
I
read
the
second
appraisal
and
now
I'm
not
sure
how
I
know
how
they
did.
I
know
how
they
came
up
with
1.6
million.
L
We
have
not
councilmember
when
I
went
in
the
offices
of
clement,
crawford
and
thornhill
and
spoke
with
stuart,
and
I
said
stewart
this
building
is
great.
Can
I
buy
it
for
the
hope
center?
He
looked
at
me
strange,
but
then
he
said
well.
Gianna
we'll
have
to
look
at
that.
He
came
back
to
me
with
a
value
of
1.41.5
million,
so
in
fact
councilmember.
I
thought
I
had
gotten
a
better
deal
by
the
1.3.
L
J
L
L
J
That's
that's
the
minimum.
I
think
they
should
give
us
90
days.
They
should
give
us
a
full
year
and
nothing
else
along
the
lines.
I
still
have
my
reservations
about
purchasing
this
property
not-
and
it
goes
back
to
I
I
dabble
in
real
estate,
and
I
took
care
of
my
family's
real
estate
holdings.
When
my
father
died,
I
dealt
with
the
costs
and
the
expense
of
real
estate
and
the
appraisals
of
real
estate
and
understand
the
mechanisms
of
all
of
this,
and
I
I
know
that
property
in
charleston
has
gone
kind
of
out
of
whack.
J
I
shouldn't
say
kind
of
it
is
a
little
bit.
I
don't
know
why.
I'm
still
wrestling
with
the
idea
of
spending
1.3
million
dollars
for
this
this
property,
it
is
in
the
was
sort
of
an
industrial
area
still
somewhat
of
an
industrial
area.
J
It
was
used
as
a
crematorium.
I
knew
the
family
who
owned
the
property
beforehand.
His
son-in-law's
works
in
my
office,
so
I
know
the
history
of
this
property
and
when
it
was
when
those
houses
were
built
over
there,
it
is
surrounded
by
cemeteries,
have
been
there.
J
I
guess,
since
the
19th
century-
and
that
was
just
cheap
land-
I
guess
back
in
the
neck
area
so
with
and
but
they
paid
for
the
property,
the
improvements
they
made
on
the
property
and
the
cost
of
what
were
that
they're
offering
for
us
on
it?
I'm
still
just
not
convinced
this
is
the
right
price.
For
that,
I
would
have
hoped
that
we
would
have
been
able
to
sit
down
with
the
owners
to
see
if
they'll
be
willing
to
come
down
on
on
the
price.
J
C
You
had
mentioned
that
you
were
already
planning
on
leasing
out
the
ground
floor
of
the
hope.
Center.
L
No,
what
I,
what
councilmember
gregory
asked
me
is
why
we
weren't
locating
the
hope
center
in
the
newly
constructed
apartment,
complex,
okay,.
L
And
so
that
was
considered,
but
we
in
my
conversations
and
us
evaluating
this,
which
that
hasn't
been
constructed
yet
was
to
attempt
to
have
some
level
of
rental
space
in
our
units
in
the
housing
and
apartment
complex
that
we
could
rent
out
to
help
support
the
hope
center,
which
would
be
a
separate
building.
Okay,.
C
So
so
the
building
that's
going
to
be
constructed
on
three
five:
seven
and
nine
huntington
avenue.
Yes,
sir,
has
that
been
funded
or
are
we
with
the
construction
of
that.
L
Not
in
totality
we
have
some
funding
through
the
federal
government
that
we
plan
to
allocate
towards
the
construction
of
that.
We
are
working
with
planning
right
now
on
zoning
such
that
we
can
maximize
density
of
that
site
and
so
within
the
next
hopefully
60
days,
an
rfp
will
go
out
so
that
we
can
get
development
partners
involved
to
help
build
the
units
there.
Okay,.
C
L
Looked
at
that
as
well-
and
that
was
a
consideration
several
months
ago
when
we
submitted
a
proposal
to
the
city
committee
of
city
council,
so
that
could
be
an
option
as
well.
Naturally,
when
we
think
about
adding
that
into
the
multi-family
units
that
we
will
build
we're
looking
at
two
to
three
years
before
that
goes
vertical.
So
then,
where
are
we
going?
Is
the
question?
Are
we
asking
that
we
stay
at
5
29,
for
that
period
of
time
would
be
the
question
for
us.
I
guess
for
me
more
specifically.
C
A
A
I
think
that
would
also
come
off
better
if
there
was
a
way
for
us
to
have
some
market
rate
in
there
as
well
as
long
as
we
don't
get
to
that
that
that
tilting
point
as
all
we
know
somewhere
around
40
percent,
once
it
once
it
goes
beyond
40,
the
whole
thing
could
go,
but
I'm
just
thinking
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
get
our
zoning
to
be
consistent
with
what
I
see
right
next
door.
A
There
are
10
12-story
buildings
right
right
next
to
it,
and
so
to
come
up
with
a
plan
that
would
provide
us
with
resources
to
help
pay
for
it.
Just
just
your
thoughts
on
on
that
approach.
L
Councilmember
gregory.
That
is
an
option
I
would
just
say.
Typically,
when
we're
looking
at
financing
structures
for
affordable
and
workforce
housing
they're
slightly
different
than
the
market
rate
housing.
So
we
can
pursue
tax
credits,
low-income
housing,
tax
credits.
We
can
also
pursue
other
federal
dollars.
L
We
would
have
to
pursue
separate
funding
either
from
investment
partners
or
from
private
financiers
in
order
to
capitalize
market
rate
housing
as
a
part
of
that
structure.
As
you
all
know,
when
don
cameron,
the
housing
authority
now
under
art,
milligan's
management,
they
go
up
to
150
of
the
area
median
income,
their
financing
is
private
financing.
It's
a
rarity
that
you
will
find
now
they're
looking
at
low
income,
housing
tax
credits
under
rad,
but
most
of
their
financing
is
from
bank
of
america
wells
fargo.
L
L
C
Thank
you,
mrs
johnson.
Just
two
quick
questions
have
all
have
we
looked
at
all
any
down
existing
city,
property
buildings
and
rehabbing.
Any
of
that.
C
C
L
L
A
million
of
the
1.3
million
is
from
private
donations,
and
those
private
donations
were
garnered
around
the
idea
that
we
would
build
a
hope
center,
so
they
gave
their
money
because
a
part
of
the
mayor's
commission's
goal
is
to
build
a
center,
because
this
was
part
of
their
vision
from
the
beginning,
so
that
million
dollars
is
slated
specifically
for
the
hope
center
for
offices
right,
correct,
it
was
is
a
part.
Yes,.
L
L
Eventually,
for
now,
catholic
charities
has
a
mobile
shower
that
they're
willing
to
bring
in
they
have
been
at
the
navigation
center
periodically,
but
they
want
to
be
a
part
of
addressing
this
issue,
and
so
they
have
a
mobile
shower
that
they
want
to
bring
over
so
that
folks
can
get
to
the
showers
right
now
at
the
navigation
center.
The
showers
are
upstairs.
E
No,
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
with
the
what
we
are
talking
about
today
is
the
establishing
another
center
with
the
call
hope
center,
and
I
was
involved
in
this
from
the
beginning
and
just
kind
of
keeping
it
on
a
low
level
until
we
really
go
through
it.
We
were
talking
about
homelessness
and
we
were
talking
with
homelessness
ever
since
I
was
here
and
with
the
hope
center.
The
hopes
that
will
we
have
the
resource
center
now
the
navigation
center.
If
you
made,
we
cannot
stay
there
too
much
longer.
E
I'm
telling
you
that
now
you
know
he
was
gracious
enough
to.
Let
us
stay
there
and
use
it
for
what
we
were
using
it
for
now,
but
that
time
is
getting
ready
to
expire
because
they
are
planning
on
doing
some
other
things
with
their
property
also,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
get
out
of
there
and
that
building
that
we
are
talking
about
now
on
connington
avenue.
E
I
went
in
that
building
more
than
one
time
period
time
you
it's
it's
a
building
that
we
can
use
for
what
we
have
with
the
need
that
we
have
for
it,
and
I
looked
at
it
a
whole
lot.
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
been
here,
but
I've
been
there
many
times
in
that
particular
building
upstairs
also,
and
that
building
is
there
and
we
can
utilize
that
buildings.
E
We
are
talking
about
money
that
we
are
saying
that
oh,
it
costs
us
to
cost
that
nothing
in
the
city
of
charleston
that,
if
you
own
something
that
you're
going
to
sell
for
which
you
bought
for
it
during
that
time,
it's
not
that
way
anymore
in
the
city
of
charleston.
I've
been
here
all
this
time
and
my
house
right
on
king
street.
Right
now,
where
is
right
now
I
was
offered
850
000
for
my
property
on
king
street
and
I
didn't
pay
no
850
000
for
it.
E
You
know,
and
so
this
is
what
it
is
times
have
changed
in
the
city
of
charleston.
Everything
in
the
city
of
charleston
is
expensive.
Even
what
you're
building
up
here
on
meeting
street
up
in
the
neck
area,
which
district
I
represent,
and
I'm
all
over
that
area
every
day
that
area
right
now
they
talk
about
the
graveyard.
Is
there
the
graveyard
the
people's
not
coming
up?
They
walk
around
they're
in
the
grave
anyway
they
they're
resting,
but
anyway,
that
area
is
changing.
E
You
see
the
building,
that's
right
next
door
to
is
going
up
with
12
stories
or
whatever
that
have
changed
the
dynamic
of
that
area
all
together
and
you
have
other
buildings
coming
up
there,
that's
going
to
be
expensive
area
because
everything
is
moving
north
with
from
the
city
of
charleston,
because
in
the
peninsula
city,
if
you
may
right
now,
the
properties
right
now
is
just
about
null
and
void.
We
don't
have
too
many
more
properties
wrong
on
this
peninsula
anymore,
even
right,
you're.
E
Looking
at
right
now,
the
you're
gonna
have
a
hotel
coming
right
down
the
corner
of
meeting
and
and
and
morrison
drive.
If
you
make
that's
gonna
change
the
dynamic
of
the
area,
you
have
the
long
sermon
union
hall
building,
that's
gonna,
be
developing
pretty
soon
that's
coming
on
on
board
pretty
soon
because
it
was
sold
already.
We
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
there,
we
don't
know
what
the
person's
going
to
put
there,
but
everything
is
moving
northward
and
everything
is
going
to
be
very
expensive.
E
We
don't
have
any
more
buildings
around
here
right
in
the
peninsula
city
of
charleston,
that
we
can
go
and
do
any
developing
in
may.
If
you
made
right
now,
so
if
the
cost
to
even
buy
or
purchase
a
building
and
to
renovate
a
building
to
what
we
needed
for
it's
going
to
cost
it's
going
to
cost
and
the
money
right
now
that
they're
talking
about
the
money,
a
million
dollars.
So
but
it's
not
coming
from
us-
it's
not
coming
from
the
city,
it's
not
coming
from
the
city.
E
So
if
we're
going
to
help
people
with
homelessness
and
have
these
programs
in
there,
we
need
to
start
moving
and
we
stop.
You
know
speculating
this,
speculating
that
it's
time
for
us
to
move
on.
I
I
I
don't
get
into
foolishness,
I
don't
get
into
nothing
at
all.
I
look
at
these
things
in
the
vision
that
we
need
to
have
homelessness.
E
I
see
the
homelessness
all
over
the
east
side,
all
over
the
city
of
charleston
they're
out
there,
and
they
need
to
have
information
someone
to
guide
them
to
what
they
need
to
have
to
make
a
livable
sale
for
them.
You
know
livable
just
to
be
able
to
live
comfortably,
so
this
is
what
it
is.
I
wish
all
the
apartments
could
come
down.
We
were
talking
about
our
high
rate
housing.
We
got
a
lot
of
highway
housing
here.
We
got
a
place
right
on
what
they
call
on
baker.
E
Hospital
drive,
my
daughter
stayed
there
two
years
ago
and
she
moved
and
she
bought
a
house
in
latin
because
she
can't
stay
in
the
city
of
charleston.
But
two,
two
years
ago,
three
bedroom
there
in
that
apartment
was
nine
hundred
dollars.
Then
he
went
up
to
a
thousand
dollars
today.
Right
now,
today
is
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
month.
E
That's
what
it
costs.
An
apartment
complex
on
bigger
hospital
drive
that
to
show
you
how
this
rain
is
moving
and
how
it
has
escalated
and
that's
apartment,
complex
you're,
not
living
in
a
house.
This
apartment
you
see,
and
so
this
is
what's
happening.
So
if
we
got
the
opportunity
of
getting
this
building
to
me
and
I'm
gonna
support
it,
I
don't
know
what
you
are
gonna
do,
but
I'm
gonna
support
it
because
I
was
involved
in
it
from
day
one
and
I
see
the
need
of
it
and
right
now
the
building
is
there.
E
We
can
move
in
that
building,
probably
tomorrow.
If
that
takes
place
and
start
the
program's
going
on
and
that's
what
I'm
looking
at
now,
we
are
moving
on.
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
that
much
longer
now
that's
going
to
be
that
much
longer,
so
we
got
to
get
things
put
things
in
place,
set
it
in
place
now
and
just
move
on.
E
A
I
Mr
may
I
want
to
thank
you
for
recusing
yourself,
technically
you're
right,
you
didn't
have
to
do
it,
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that,
because
it
allows
us
to
concentrate
on
the
item.
That's
before
us
and
the
item
before
us
is
to
buy
an
office
building,
in
my
opinion,
as
grossly
overpriced,
and
when
that
was
brought
up
a
month
ago.
It
was
a
great
suggestion
from
councilman
sacrament
to
get
another
appraisal
and
we've
gotten
that
second
appraisal
and
that
second
appraisal
shows
an
increase
in
excess
of
26
percent
in
one
month.
I
I
Actually,
we
pray
for
every
need,
committee
meetings
etc
and
in
those
prayers,
someplace
along
the
way,
is
included,
praying
for
the
least
of
those,
and
we
mean
that
in
the
heart
of
our
hearts-
and
I
hear
you
councilmember
mitchell
and
I
wrote
it
down
if
you're
going
to
help
and
I
put
down
you
don't
overspend
because
that's
how
you
get
the
most,
it's
called
caucus
cost-effectiveness
of
a
dollar
being
stewards
of
other
people's
money
is
a
privilege
and
that's
what
we
have
as
tax
as
being
representatives
of
the
taxpayers
and
when
it
comes
to
representing
donated
dollars.
I
In
each
case
they
went
south.
They
passed
the
property
right
right
next
to
it
at
the
city
board,
and
let
me
say
this
about
the
city's
purchase.
The
property
was
originally
listed
and
I
have
the
listing
agreement.
I
sent
that
out
to
the
mayor
and
you
ms
shaw,
johnson
and
call
councilman
february
21st
2017.
This
property
was
listed
for
1
million
900
property
at
the
city
board,
1.1
acres,
it
had
four
houses
on
it
with
almost
6
800
square
feet
of
buildings.
I
So
then
we
moved
to
the
corner
of
meeting
in
connington.
The
appraiser
both
saw
fit
not
to
include
that
it
was
a
commercial
piece
of
property.
It's
14
26..
By
the
way,
can
we
get
the
the
the
actual
site
up
on
the
screen
here,
so
we
can
have
something
to
look
at.
Can
we
do
that?
I
Can
we
put
up
11
countington
on
this
screen
that
property
sold
in
october
for
675
000,
a
very
affordable
price
and
the
site
was
three
times
larger
than
11
connington
from
a
property
standpoint,
connington
avenue
is
.08
of
an
acre.
I
The
corner
of
meeting
and
connington
is
0.23
of
any
almost
three
times.
Well.
Can
we
have
the
actual
overhead
google
shot
from
meeting
street
coming
into
cunningham,
there's
a
site
on
the
corner
of
meeting
in
persian
it
sold
december
of
2021
for
667
000
again,
both
appraisers
said
we're
not
going
to
use
those
values,
we're
going
to
go
south
and
get
comparables.
I
Why
would
we
take
those
monies
and
start
building
making
plans
to
build
that
building
as
soon
as
possible?
In
particular,
if
we
told
the
person
with
the
navigation
center
that
we
got
plans
on
the
way
to
build
a
building
designed
more
energy,
efficient,
handicapped,
accessible,
the
employees
and
the
homeless?
I
I
I
I
I
That
said,
taking
the
dollars
and
putting
it
towards
building
a
facility
facility,
that's
designed
for
it.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
in
a
10-story
building,
just
as
you
all
we're
gonna.
If
you
look
we're
looking
at
11
cunnington,
the
the
red
dot
is
11
cunnington
the
building
to
the
left
at
least
my
left
on.
That
was
nine
connington.
It
was
a
house
that
was
torn
down
at
the
last
meeting.
We
had
a
drawing
showing
a
building
that
would
have
the
showers
and
the
laundry
and
all
of
that
being
right.
Next
door.
I
I
I
I
Thank
you.
Well,
not
that!
Well,
that's
a
lot
of
graveyards
come
on.
Thank
you
again.
If
you
look
at
the
corner
of
connington
and
meeting
so
you
come
to
the
left
of
the
red
dot,
all
the
way
back
out
to
meeting
street,
that's
the
site
that
sold
in
december
for
667,
I'm
sorry
it's
sold
in
october
19
for
675
000..
I
If
you
go
one
block
on
the
corner
of
pershing
and
meeting
that
sold
december
13th
for
670
667
thousand
dollars
now
it
is
twice
the
size
of
and
faces
on,
meeting
street,
much
higher
profile
location,
and
let
me
tell
you
getting
closer
to
meeting
street
if
the
city
or
the
non-profit
ever
needs
an
exit
strategy.
I
You
have
a
chance
of
recouping
your
investment.
I
dare
say
that
if
we
were
to
pay
1.3
million
for
eleven
covington,
it
will
be
very,
very
difficult
to
have
an
exit
strategy.
Simply
if
you,
if
you
say
well,
you
know
what
we
want
to
go
in
another
location.
This
doesn't
work.
Programmatic
funding
was
withdrawn.
I
We
need
to
exit
that
building
it'd
be
very
difficult
to
get
that
that
property,
so
that
price,
I
think
we
take
the
money
and
we
go
towards
building
the
facility
that
the
standalone
facility
with
the
showers
and
the
laundry
and
the
warming
area,
if
needed-
and
we
can
get
there
sooner
if
we
started
planning
with
those
dollars
now
as
opposed
to
buying
an
overpriced
building
and
then
having
to
accumulate
more
money,
to
build
the
building.
That's
actually
the
one
that
the
homeless
people
will
actually
use.
A
Yes,
it's
been
moved,
it's
it's
been
properly
seconded
and
the
motion
is
that
we
do
not
buy
11.
kind
of
connecting
to
1.3
for
1.3
million.
Yes,
sir,.
L
So
I
just
wanted
to
add,
because
council
member
waring
indicated
a
plan
when
we
moved
into
529
meeting
street,
we
had
a
plan.
The
mayor's
commission
worked
extensively
with
a
number
of
non-profit
organizations,
and
I
was
at
the
table
to
facilitate
a
plan,
our
goal,
because
we
understood
going
in
that
we
were
renting.
L
L
However,
in
order
to
fortify
and
sustain
such
a
facility
for
the
long
term,
we
believed
it
important-
and
you
supported
funding
for
this,
such
that
we
could
hire
staff,
because
we
know
that
the
homelessness
issue-
unsheltered
individuals
in
our
community
is
not
getting
any
easier,
and
so,
in
order
to
move
this
to
the
next
level,
those
were
efforts
that
were
undertaken
such
that
we
could
do
this
appropriately.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
those
comments.
Thank
you.
A
Just
just
one
comment
from
me:
the
current
navigation
center
at
least
have
showers
washi
rat.
A
A
A
Where,
where
would
the
he
was,
he
asked
if
we
have
to
have
a
mobile
global
services
mobile
services?
Where
would
they
go.
L
There
is
parking
on
the
side
of
that
building,
so,
if
need
be,
he
could
park
there
in
order
to
facilitate
that.
Okay.
I
Mr
chairman,
I
like
to
amend
my
motion.
Given
the
information
you
just
gave,
which
was
very
pertinent.
My
motion
is
to
not
buy
11
huntington
avenue
because
they
don't
have
even
the
limited
services
we
have
at
the
current
location.
We
really
need
to
build
what
we
like
to
build.
So
my
motion,
I
like
to
mend
my
motion,
if
you
would
kind
of
the
second
that
amended
to
not
buy
11.
so
you're,
taking
back
the
first
notion,
I
say
I
should
not
buy
for
1.3
million
right.
K
A
K
A
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
that
if
we
are
going
to
deny
it,
the
votes
won't
be
there
to
prove
it
in
16,
so
vote
on
the
original
motion,
I'm
with
you,
I'm
following
you,
I'm
following
you
now,
where
we
are
okay
is
all
right.
Do
I.
This
is
where
we
are,
because
you
were,
your
emotion
was
seconded
and
I
think
we
have
to
vote
on
that
motion.
A
C
D
There's
been
a
lot
of
great
points
that
have
been
made
on
all
sides
and
all
perspectives
of
this
discussion,
and
I
I
would
just
like
to
throw
out
one
other
consideration.
You
know
I
do
a
lot
of
zoning
and
land
use
representation
and
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
certain
types
of
development,
to
put
it
mildly,
is
not
warmly
received
around
certain
neighborhoods
right,
I
mean
shoot.
D
Regular,
affordable
housing
is
controversial,
a
lot
of
places,
okay
and
you
get
something
called
the
nimby
effect
right
where
people
start
lighting
us
up
opposing
things
they
start
showing
up
at
these.
You
know
bza
meetings
and
all
these
other
kinds
of
things
worried
about
traffic
and
all
these
pretextual
issues.
But
you
know
sometimes
we
all
know
what's
going
on.
Well,
let
me
tell
you
something:
you
try
to
put
the
navigation
center
over
in
district
11..
D
D
Maybe
I'm
just
saying
the
universe
of
potential
properties
in
the
city
of
charleston
is
not
as
broad
and
as
wide
as
as
other
certain
types
of
development,
just
because
of
the
frankly
the
politics
of
it
and
I
think
miss
shaw
johnson
expressed
it
earlier.
I
mean
you
know
the
homeless,
it's
it's
a
charged
issue
and
we've
all
heard
heard
about
it.
So
so
I
just
throw
that
out
there
for
what
it's
worth,
but
I
mean
shoot.
I
mean
councilman
waring
and
I
we
had
a
long
discussion
about
this
over
the
weekend.
D
He
raises
a
lot
of
good
points.
I
truly
think
he's
you
know.
His
heart
is
in
the
right
place,
he's
coming
from
the
the
right
place.
He
wants
to
make
this
money
stretches
as
far
as
it
can
go,
and
and
and
in
furtherance
of
the
platinum
rule
which
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
copy
that
in
the
future,
that's
that's
good
stuff,
so
I'm
very
torn
on
it.
I
I
see
good
arguments
and
perspectives
on
all
sides.
D
I
just
thought
it
would
be
beneficial
to
throw
that
consideration
out
there
that
there's
not
an
enormous
universe
of
properties
where
or
communities
frankly
or
neighborhoods.
Frankly,
where
this
will
be
warmly
received
with
open
arms,
and
you
know,
that's,
maybe
why
you
got
to
put
it
next
to
some
graveyards.
Frankly,
those
people
can't
complain
so
just
just
a
thought
there.
I
I
don't
know
how
I'm
gonna
vote
as
I
sit
here
today.
Right
now,.
A
J
Rappel
thank
you
for
that
comment
and
I
think
that
sort
of
been
the
pink
elephant
in
the
room
and
you
brought
it
up.
But
I
want
to
recount
a
experience
I
had
when
I
served
on
the
storm
water
of
all
things
task
force
when
we
do
the
manual
and
somebody
on
that
committee,
when
we
were
thinking
about
the
stormwater
manual,
suggested
that
we
come
up
with
substandard
standards
when
it
came
to
affordable
housing,
and
I
raised
a
stink
about
it
and
I'm
already
just
thinking
about
what
you
just
said.
J
J
And
so,
if
we're
thinking
that
this
is
okay
to
buy
this
property
to
stick
homeless
people
in
because
nobody
else
is
going
to
live
in
it
because
it's
next
to
a
cemetery,
that's
the
wrong
mindset
to
have
on
on
this,
and
we
should
not
be
a
party
to
that
now.
Remember
when
daniel
island
was
developed
and
they
put
affordable
housing
out
there
on
seven
farms
road
there
was
a
stink
about
it,
but
they
did
it.
J
There
is
a
there
is
affordable
housing
on
daniel
island
because
the
mandate
out
there
at
the
time
was
to
make
sure
that
that
was
taking
place.
So
our
vote
should
not
be.
We
need
to
buy
this
because
there
ain't
no
other
place
to
buy,
because
no
one's
going
to
want
this
in
their
backyard.
We're
not.
We
can't
be
a
party
to
that.
This
simply
is
very
distinctly.
As
councilman
maureen
said,
a
business
decision
correct
period.
This
is
a
business
decision.
Is
this
a
good
deal
for
the
city
or
not?
J
That's
what
your
vote
needs
to
be
on
tonight,
not
any
other
extraneous
information,
not
any
other
extraneous
issues.
Dealing
with
my
vote
tonight
is
going
to
be
on
this.
Is
this
a
good
use?
Are
we
being
good
stewards
of
public
funds
to
buy
this
property
period
and
that's
the
focus
that
we
should
have
so
whenever
you
vote
on
the
saying,
I
ask
you
just
look
at
it
from
that
that
standpoint.
Thank
you.
B
Will
you
restate
the
motion
just
so
we're
clear,
because
I
know
there's
been
some
confusion?
Would
you.