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Description
City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means April 11 2023
A
A
B
You
Mr
chairman
god
of
the
slain,
god
of
the
murdered
and
the
victim
the
voice
of
lamentation
Echoes
across
the
land,
wailing
beside
Graves
open
too
soon
weeping
besides
stains
of
blood
from
the
dead
and
the
injured
pouring
forth
from
bullet
wounds,
the
child
shot
the
suicide,
the
domestic
assault,
the
gang
violence,
the
mass
murder,
the
long
night
of
death,
Made
Easy
by
guns
and
semi-automatic
weapons.
The
long
night
of
Sorrow
Made
Easy
by
Reckless
access
to
Machines
of
Slaughter
bless
those
who
are
mourning
the
dead
grant
them.
B
C
A
F
G
Yes,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
so
this
is
the
peninsula
plan.
This
was
approved
in
the
as
a
part
of
the
budget
cycle
in
2022,
as
we
were
doing
the
research
for
that
and
preparing
to
put
out
that
RFP.
We
realized
that
we
were
just
not
funded
enough
and
so
as
a
part
of
the
23
budget
cycle,
this
Council
authorized
some
additional
funding.
This
would
be
allow
us
to
get
that
contract
out
now
that
we
had
the
full
funding
package
available.
G
G
They've
already
been
appropriated,
so
this
is
not
the
the
contract
that
we're
putting
that
you
would
be
awarding
here
is
not
for
the
full
sum
of
funds
that
have
been
appropriated
by
the
council
before
the
project,
and
so
we
do
have
funds
available
it
should
we
need
any
additional
Services
as
that
project
moves
forward.
Okay,.
G
I
You
can
I
just
make
quick
comment,
because
I
sat
on
that
selection
committee
was
part
of
that
request
for
additional
funding.
One
of
the
things
that
we
realized
when
we
went
through
the
process
of
selecting
the
team
that
was
going
to
do
this
work
is
that
they
probably
needed
to
beef
up
their
their
transportation,
their
Transit
side
of
things,
and
so
we
asked
this
Council
to
at
least
have
some
monies
there.
So
as
they
go
through
the
process
that
they
need
to
add
some
additional
resources
to
look
at
mobility
and
transportation,
they
could
do
it.
I
A
Thanks
for
that
clarification,
councilman
seeking
any
further
discussion
on
bids
and
purchases,
if
not
all
in
favor,
say
aye
the
eyes
have
it
em
four
move
for
a
second
moving
properly
seconded
any
discussion,
all
in
favor
item
five
moving
properly.
Second,
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
item
seven
little,
four,
six
I'm,
sorry.
K
A
All
in
favor,
say
aye
the
eyes
have
it
item
eight
Parks
Capital
approval,
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
item
nine
planning
and
sustainability
rule
for
approval.
We've
been
properly
seconded
any
discussion
all
in
favor,
say
aye
I'm,
going
to
call
on
chairman
Appel
for
the
committee
on
real
estate.
All.
B
Right,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
the
committee
on
real
estate
met
yesterday
afternoon
at
four
o'clock
and
we
covered
a
lot
of
grounds.
The
first
item
up
was
approval
of
the
mayor
to
execute
a
quit
claim
deed
to
Charleston
Water
Systems.
This
is
in
connection
with
a
piece
of
property
between
Saint
Margaret,
Saint,
Margaret
and
Grove
Street
over
in
Wagner
Terrace.
This
is
a
Charleston
Water,
Systems
Pump
Station,
and
it
turns
out
that
the
city
owns
property.
B
That's
part
of
the
pump
station
and
everybody
felt
like
it
would
be
more
efficient
for
the
property
to
be
owned
entirely
by
CWS
and
that's
what
we
approved
and
the
deed
to
the
city
originally
limited
the
use
of
that
property
to
a
pump
station.
So
it
significantly
limited
the
value
in
the
use.
Next
item
on
the
agenda
was
an
amendment
to
our
Urban
Greenbelt
application.
This
is
to
increase
the
application
funding
requests
by
twelve
thousand
three
hundred
sixty
dollars.
B
This
is
to
fund
some
additional
due
diligence
costs
associated
with
looking
at
four
new
Parcels,
all
of
which
have
been
given
to
us
by
the
beach
company
over
here
in
West
Ashley.
So
we
want
to
give
a
big
shout
out
and
thanks
to
the
beach
company
and
John
Darby,
this
will
significantly
increase
the
size
of
this
park
over
in
West
Ashley,
and
this
is
another
Waterfront
or
water
access
park
over
in
West
Ashley.
B
Originally
Council
approved
150
000
out
of
the
Cooper
River
Bridge
Tiff
for
design
work,
as
it
turns
out
part
of
that
Federal
grant
that
we
got
is
going
to
pay
for
that
design
work
so
that
money
never
needed
to
be
spent.
So
the
150
that
we
originally
allocated
never
got
spent
we're
going
to
shift.
This
amendment
shifts
that
funding
to
the
engineering
costs
that
are
necessary
to
move
that
project
forward,
that
passed
unanimously,
and
then
we
considered
four
annexations,
three
of
which
are
residential.
B
The
final
one
is
commercial,
the
912
Savannah
Highway
property,
all
of
those
unanimously
passed.
We
also
confirmed
that
the
Christopher
Morgan
at
2223,
North
dallerton
Circle,
is
not
our
Christopher
Morgan
he's
been
a
city
resident
for
30
years.
Just
wanted
to
clear
the
record
on
that,
but
we're
happy
to
have
as
many
Christopher
Morgans
as
as
whoever
wants
to
join
the
city,
those
annexations
unanimously
were
approved.
Then
we
considered
a
Fourth
Amendment
to
the
mou
between
the
City
of
Charleston
and
landmark
Enterprises.
B
This
new
mou
significantly
reduces
the
amount
of
money
the
city
has
to
spend
due
to
some
extremely
detailed
technicality
in
state
law
over
the
proper
use
of
these
funds,
which
I'm
not
going
to
bore
anybody
with,
but
for
all
the
people
who
have
dropped
their
boat
into
the
wapu
cut
over
there.
Having
a
nice
paved
entry
point
and
retrieval
point
is
going
to
be
a
lot.
It's
going
to
be
well
well
received
there
for
sure,
and
with
that.
That
concludes
my
report
and
I
move
that
it
be
approved
as
amended.
F
So,
just
to
let
you
all
know
sometimes
how
coincidences
can
work
out
when
we
had
that
green
belt
application
for
a
wood
mirror
with
a
one
parcel.
We
approved
it.
This
was
some
months
ago
when
and
councilman
Waring
I
think
it
was
you
that
mentioned
that
beach
company
owned
the
property
across
from
there
I,
never
thought,
look
and
and
I,
checked
and
sure
enough,
and
it
was
just
a
coincidence
or
a
God
thing.
F
Mr
Darby
called
me
the
next
morning
about
Emmanuel
Memorial,
some
matter
with
that
and
I
said:
do
you
all
own
that
property
all
day
he
said
yeah
we'll
be
glad
to
give
it
to
you,
because
we
can't
do
anything
with
it.
I
guess
they
had
been.
It
had
been
part
of
original
development
of
that
neighborhood.
So
he
said
we'll
give
you
a
quick
claim
deed
to
it,
and
it's
mostly
a
water
feature.
F
L
And
I
I
think
that
I
want
to
thank
the
man
for
his
input
on
that,
because
let
me
tell
you
it's
a
lot
of
excitement
in
the
neighborhoods
behind
it.
Jewish
Community
I
still
call
it
the
Jewish
Community
Center,
but
Montclair
Drive,
and
all
back
in
there
apart.
District
Seven
is
primarily
an
interior
District.
You
all
have
heard
me
say
this
before
anytime.
Any
of
you
all
have
Waterfront
features
in
your
area,
I'm
always
for
it,
so
how
people
can
go
and
enjoy
it.
A
E
B
I
I
A
K
we've
had
an
executive
session
on
this
very
very
questioned
I
had
met
with
a
councilmember,
Bowden,
councilman,
Propel
and
councilman
wearing
several
weeks
ago,
when
we
agreed
to
form
a
ad
hoc
committee
to
address
this.
This
issue
in
dealing
with
this
potential
extension
following
that
meeting
and
following
the
first
meeting
we
had
with
the
this
ad
hoc
committee,
which
included
councilwoman
Waring,
that's
what
was
seeking
yourself
me
and
you
know
someone
were
upheld.
K
We
then
agreed
to
have
in
a
full
meaning
of
counsel,
to
discuss
this
potential
extension
and
out
of
that
executive
session.
We
heard
very
loud
and
clear
some
of
the
objections
to
this
memorandum
as
it
stood
right
now.
So
what
is
before
you
today
is
an
extension
of
60
days
to
allow
Landmark
an
opportunity
to
come
back
to
address
the
vast
majority
of
those
questions
that
we
had
coming
out
of
the
executive
session.
K
K
This
project
that
they're
proposing
to
scale
down
will
be
very
literally
returning
to
one
of
the
initial
plans
that
are
in
internal
design
team
had
addressed,
which
did
not
include
a
parking
garage.
It
included
a
surface
lot
with
a
Civic
building
in
one
or
maybe
two
other
Associated
buildings,
I
can't
over
State
the
importance
of
the
need
for
this
extension
now
I'll
try
to
explain
it
best.
K
I
can
I've
been
working
on
this
project
since
I
got
elected
to
council
and
took
office
in
2016.,
looking
at
all
aspects
of
how
to
address
the
revitalization
of
West
Ashley,
with
the
creation
of
the
West
Ashley
revitalization
Commission
working
with
the
county
in
the
transportation
team
to
improve
what
we
have
dubbed
and
which
they
don't
like
us
to
use
this
word.
But
the
suicide
merge
plans
that
they
have
presented
time
and
time
again,
which
were
rejected,
reviewed,
revised,
rejected
and
then
a
third
plan.
K
K
As
you
all
may
recall,
members
Council,
who
were
present
early
on
would
one
of
the
other
things
that
spurred
this
activity
was
that
the
Piggly
Wiggly,
which
would
close
in
2013,
had
been
vacant
since
that
that
time
and
for
three
years
in
2016,
Faison
owned
the
property
and
they
had
a
potential
settler.
I'd
use
that
word
so.
The
Loosely
who
proposed
a
20-pound
gas
station
and
the
community
rose
up
in
Anger
against
that
and
voted
in
the
drb
voted
that
down
and
the
worst
thing
that
could
have
happened
at
that
site.
K
Part
of
that
expense,
a
huge
portion
of
that
expense,
is
an
underground
parking
garage
and,
and
the
numbers
vary
a
little
bit
of
what
that
underground
garage
could
talk,
could
cost
as
versus
a
above
ground
garage
and,
as
my
English
teacher
would
say.
Meanwhile,
back
at
the
ranch
as
this
was
all
progressing
Faison
started,
doing
major
work
on
their
portion
of
the
property
known
as
Ashley
Landing
and
very
slowly.
They
added
a
building
that
includes
four
spaces.
K
Four
businesses,
a
bank,
a
ice
cream
shop,
a
Wing
store
and
a
pizza
place
that
hasn't
improved
tremendously.
A
piece
of
beer
places
opened
up
for
the
down
and
in
the
process
of
doing
all
that
they
have
negotiated
with
their
current
tenants,
including
publics
to
recall,
relocate
publics
from
its
current
site
to
the
site
posted
to
Charlestown,
Estates
Road,
which
included
the
where
an
auto
parts
store
was
located
and
the
Dollar
Tree
is
existing
and
they
moved
a
pivotal
exercise
facility
to
another
location,
so
they
could
relocate
Publix
at
that
site.
K
All
told
this
planned
by
Ashley
Landing
by
Faison,
will
be
a
hundred
and
fifty
million
dollar
private
investment
into
West
Ashley.
This
will
be
the
largest
private
sector,
investment
in
West
Ashley,
second,
probably
only
to
when
Citadel
Mall
opened
up
40
years
ago.
That's
down
at
the
other
end
of
Sam
Wittenberg,
Boulevard
and
I've
been
in
contact
with
the
folks
who
are
been
dealing
with
Ashley
Landing.
K
I
may
add
as
to
what
they're
looking
at,
we
have
an
opportunity
now
to
fulfill
the
city's
commitment
to
this
project
and
allowing
Landmark
an
opportunity
to
combat
with
Alternatives,
and
we
can
direct
them
as
to
some
of
the
alternative,
they've
gotten
some
really
clear
direction
of
what
we're
looking
for,
including
eliminating
an
above
our
below
ground
garage,
eliminating
officers
and
things
of
that
nature
give
them.
The
60-day
extension
will
keep
this
project
alive.
K
K
We
have
spent
literally
since
2016
reviewing
this
getting
public
input
on
it,
putting
it
out
for
bid
having
anybody
who
had
an
interest
in
doing
this
kind
of
around
now
there
are,
there
may
be
other
proposals
floating
out
there
as
to
including
maybe
closing
down
Sumo
Street,
maybe
giving
Faison
the
opportunity
to
come
back.
That's
those
are
good
ideas.
K
K
My
colleagues
I
know
a
lot
of
them
stand
on
this
particular
issue,
but
to
give
where's
Ashley
I
when
I
ran
for
city
council
back
in
2015
I
sit
on
this
proposition,
which
actually
has
been
neglected
and
ignored
way
too
long.
That's
the
truth.
We
have
been
neglected
and
ignored
way
too
long.
This
project
is
right.
In
my
backyard,
I've
been
very
passionate
about
this
project.
I've
been
pushing
this
project.
I've
been
working
with
talking
to
our
citizens,
who
could
be
immedially
impacted
with
this
and
those
outside
of
the
immediate
impact.
K
K
So
I
would
urge
my
council
members
to
vote
to
approve
this
extension
for
for
June
21st
2023,
to
give
everybody
an
opportunity
to
look
this
over
and
if
it
comes
back
and-
and
anybody
just
thinks
the
same
way
that
we
do
now
and
I
think
there's
a
possibility
that
something
else
may
happen
the
next
five.
We
can
do
it
at
that
particular
point.
But
here
is
an
opportunity
asked
to
make
a
very
bold
statement
of
our
commitment
to
West
Ashley
by
doing
this
and
voting
for
this
extension.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
L
It
looks
like
anywhere
USA
I.
Remember
that,
because
I
said
it
going
into
the
birthplace
of
South
Carolina
and
it
shouldn't
be
a
20
pump
gas
station,
but
one
thing
that
I
think
I
think
we
all
declare
on
whether
this
idea,
you
know
with
the
45
million
underground
parking
garage,
all
of
that,
whether
it
feels
that
doesn't
bring
an
end
to
what
can
happen
at
the
what
we
call
the
pig
site
because
I
think
we're
going
to
retoo
and
that's
what
we're
doing
right
now.
L
That's
the
same
thing
I
think,
there's
nothing
bad,
that's
going
to
happen
with
the
pig
site
when
we
got
to
the
point
of
the
workshop
and
I
think
even
the
man-made
Mansion.
Maybe
we
can
take
a
consideration
of
a
scaled
down
version.
I
looked
at
that
as
new
ideas
coming
in
and
I
think
that's
what
we
need
new
ideas
instead
of
having
one
idea
and
one
idea
only
and
that's
what
I
think
that's
been
the
struggle
over
the
last
several
years.
L
One
I
did
one
idea
only
but
I
have
to
say
this
when
I
saw
the
presentation
that
the
Amish
or
Amish
site
with
Faison
and
obviously
I've
met
with
them.
They've
never
said
to
me
what
they're
doing
is
contingent
upon
has
anything
to
do
with
what
we
do
at
the
pig
site.
I
looked
at
that
as
that's
an
investment.
L
L
My
question
on
this
extension
is:
we
did
an
RFQ
on
to
end
up
with
Landmark.
To
me,
landmark
has
done
a
wonderful
job,
getting
getting
us
to
this
point,
because
now
we
as
a
deliberative
body,
is
beginning
to
crystallize
on
what
what
can
and
will
not
happen
there,
which
is
a
good
thing
for
Wes
Ashley
but
nrfq
I
guess
this
is
a
legal
question.
Does
it
give
us
the
right
to
give
additional
duties?
I
mean
I
want
to
do.
L
If
they're
willing
to
stay
on
and
assist
us
in
that
I
think
we
should
pay
them,
but
I
don't
want
to
make
a
if
I
were
a
person
that
looked
at
the
RFQ
and
for
whatever
reason
didn't
didn't,
didn't
bid
for
whatever
reason,
and
then
the
RFQ
is
is
changed
to
add
additional
services.
Does
that
give
any
legal
exposure
to
the
City
of
Charleston?
L
So,
okay,
but
that's
not
the
case,
if
we're
not
stepping
into
any
bear
traps
on
that,
I
voted
against
it,
I
Was
the
vote
against,
and
that
was
primarily
the
vote
against
it.
It's
not
today.
Somehow
I
want
to
treat
Landmark
harsh
I.
Don't
want
to
do
that.
I
think
they've
been
gentlemen.
All
the
way
through
this
but
I
do
believe
that
I
think
they've
earned
their
feet
and,
if
they're
willing
to
assist
us
all
the
better
but
anyway
I
just
thought.
We
need
to
get
that
answer.
A
F
F
F
C
L
A
A
I
You
Mr
chairman,
councilman
Brady,
so
60
days
going
forward.
When
did
we
first
sign
this
mou,
please
so
2021?
What
we've
gotten
since
2021
is
what
we've
gotten
I
think
there
was
not
unanimity,
but
a
majority
consensus
of
what
we
got
we're
not
doing
so
when
you
all
voted
this
resolution.
Mr
chairman
was
there
any
discussion
about
giving
Landmark
direction
as
to
what
they
should
be
doing
in
the
next
60
days
and
what
we
expect
to
get
back
from
them.
I
B
I
Well,
that's
interesting
because
I
don't
I
have
no
clear
understanding
what
we're
looking
for
I
mean
after
that
meeting
I
sat
on
that
committee
that
turned
into
a
committee
of
the
whole.
We
clearly
I
think
made
a
statement.
We
were
looking
for
a
43
million
dollar
underground
Parts
project
that
we
perhaps
would
like
to
see
some
synergies
between
the
land
that
the
city
owns
and
what
Faison
is
doing
on
their
properties.
I
But
it
wasn't
quite
clear
to
me
that
there
was
a
vision
internally
from
the
city
either
from
our
planning
department
or
from
this
council
with
the
directional
Landmark
as
to
where
to
go
so
I'm
super
skeptical
about
all
this.
As
you
know,
and
have
been
since
day,
one
I'm
just
one
of
13
but
I'm,
just
wondering
what
it's
going
to
look
like
in
60
days.
What's
going
to
be
different.
C
M
Yes,
thank
you,
I
haven't
heard
yet
I
I
just
want
to
say
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
knowledge
sitting
around
this
table,
including
some
members
who
have
been
seated
here
since
before
I
was
in
college,
which
I
turned
40
in
August
and
and
some
members
seated
around
the
stable
who
have
been
here
since
before
the
Inception
of
this
project
and
so
I.
There
has
been
ample
time
seated
around
this
table
for
input
on
this
project
as
it's
gone
forward,
it's
various
iterations,
and
so
it
just
it.
M
It
strikes
me
as
as
odd
that
in
the
season
of
the
year
that
we're
in
is
we're
entering
That
season
heading
towards
the
fall
that
there's
all
of
a
sudden
that
we're
gonna
put
a
break
on
development
in
West
Ashley
that
we're
the
most
significant
investment
in
West
Ashley,
especially
being
able
to
come
out
with
a
Civic
Center
that
would
give
our
citizens
access
to
city
offices.
That
would
give
us
a
place
when
we
take
our
show
on
the
road.
M
So
it
strikes
me
as
a
tan
opportunistic
that
we're
sitting
here
trying
to
pump
the
brakes
on
this
when
we
wouldn't
be
doing
this
in
other
parts
of
the
city.
But
now
west
Ashley
can
get
a
win,
it
can
get
a
nice
win.
I
agree
with
you:
councilmember
Gregory,
West
Ashley
deserves
something
world
class.
It's
the
birthplace
of
one
of
the
oldest
cities
in
the
United
States.
It
deserves
that.
M
But
let's
look
at
the
facts
on
the
ground.
When
we
put
this
out
to
bid
there
was
one
bidder
there
wasn't
anybody
beating
down
the
door
to
come
for
this
project?
We
have
a
good
proposal
and
I
agree.
Let's
let
them
come
back.
We've
gotten
the
feedback,
but
this
needs
to
happen
for
West
Ashley.
We
need
to
invest
in
West
Ashley
at
the
Skateway
I
represent
the
outer
portion
right
bees,
Ferry
Road
Corridor,
but
this
part,
because
of
our
transportation
network,
isn't
that
far
I
have
plenty
of
people
that
go
to
this
area.
M
It's
a
vital
Gathering
point
that
we
have
to
activate
for
this
area
and
not
only
from
a
commercial
and
from
an
office
perspective.
We
talked
about
wanting
to
keep
jobs
in
West.
Ashley
offices
can
help
do
that,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
that
our
citizens
feel
connected
and
when
we
hold
meetings
at
3,
P.M,
downtown,
4,
P.M
downtown
on
a
Monday
and
a
Tuesday.
M
F
So
Mr
chairman
I,
just
wanted
to
share
I.
Think
Landmark
was
listening
when
we
had
the
meeting
a
week
or
10
days
ago,
you
yourself,
Mr
chairman,
asked
for
some
options.
You
said
you
like
to
go
shopping,
I
still
do
and
world
class,
and
and
that's
the
intent
of
of
this
extension,
to
allow
them
to
bring
an
option.
If,
if
I
may
say
a
key
component
of
of
I,
think
the
need
for
this
option
was
all
around
the
parking
of
all
things
initially
to
robustly
develop
the
site
it
was.
F
What
I
feel
is
a
very
excellent
proposal
that
we
have
on
the
table
currently
but
to
to
give
you
Mr,
chairman
and
Council
the
options
of
of
an
alternative
it
it,
the
the
heartburn,
the
major
heartburn,
was
over
the
cost
of
this
underground
parking
and
I
heard
it
from
from
a
number
of
my
colleagues
here.
So
so
we've
asked
landmark
and
they
were
listening
to
to
give
us
an
option
that
would
not
include
underground
parking
and
hence
reduce
the
the
cost.
F
F
You
got
to
reduce
the
square
footage
of
the
overall
development,
so
but
here's
the
thing
they
they
look
to
maintain
the
part
of
the
development
that
included
public
use
and
a
gathering
space,
a
meeting
space
for
us
to
have
City
Council
meetings
or
other
public
meetings
like
drb
or
even
be
able
to
make
it
available
for
our
citizens
for
a
rental
or
something
like
that,
but
but
also
have
that
green
space.
That
Park
light
feature
that
you
see
out
at
boxing
crate
that
citizens
seem
to
really
enjoy
that.
F
We
could
have
that
kind
of
feel
family
feel
at
this
development.
West
Ashley,
where
we
could
have
you
know,
maybe
we'd
choose
to
have
the
farmers
market
there,
rather
than
at
Ackerman,
Park
or
we'd
have
a
a
movie
shown
on
a
Friday
night
or
we'd.
Have
a
piccolo
spoletto
event
during
Piccolo
or
Mojo
event
during
moja.
Have
that
still
have
that
public
space
in
that
meeting
space,
but
overall
reduce
the
the
square
footage
overall
in
the
density,
so
that
the
the
parking
can
be
accommodated
on
site?
N
And
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I
want
citizens
of
West,
Ashley
and
citizens
of
the
city
and,
frankly,
people
who
come
to
visit
this,
who
don't
live
in
this
city,
to
have
exactly
what
they
want,
what
they
need
and
what
they
deserve.
What
I
hear
is
a
whole
lot
of
what
we
want
and
frankly,
I
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
talk
to
folks
in
West.
N
Ashley,
like
I,
have
been
I'd
frankly,
be
really
interested
to
know
what
property
owners
and
business
owners
along
Sam,
Rittenberg
and
in
that
area
of
West
Ashley,
would
like
to
see
us
do
with
this
I
bet.
They
would
like
to
see
a
transformative
investment
in
West,
Ashley
I
bet
what
our
citizens
would
not
love
to
hear
and
what
I
feel
like
they
well.
What
they
certainly
feel
like
they
have
heard
since
time
immemorial
is
nickel
and
diming
West
Ashley
I
think
we
deserve
more
than
stormwater
projects.
N
A
It's
it's
kind
of
hard
to
determine
what
you
want
if
you've
not
seen
all
the
possibilities
and
I
think
that
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
I
agree
with
you
totally
okay.
But
if
you
don't
show
me
all
the
possibilities.
Okay,
then
I'm
not
making
an
informed
decision,
but
so
for
me
it's
very
important
that
the
residents
of
of
West
Ashley
see
all
the
possibilities
of
that
site.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'll,
try
to
be
real,
quick,
so
councilman,
Rasheed
I,
know
that
you
have
worked
so
hard
on
this
and
I.
Understand
that,
and
you
know
I
don't
want
to
see
anything
dead
tonight,
but
I,
don't
I,
hope
and
pray
that
that's
not
the
case
and
I
know
that
whatever
happens
on
that
site,
you'll
be
involved
and
you'll
be
committed
to
it
and
it
will
be
fabulous.
E
Listen
I
agree
that
James
Island
John's
Island
West
Ashley.
We
all
have
that
commonality.
When
we
are
sitting
in
here
talking
about
45
million
for
the
peninsula,
we
don't
bat
an
eye.
If
it's
James
Island
John's
Island
West
Ashley,
we
do
we
tend
to
talk
about
it
a
little
more
and
that
shouldn't
be
the
case.
E
I
do
just
I
agree
with
councilmember
Gregory
I
think
that
I
feel
like
there's
another
option
here
and
it's
not
being
you
know,
I'd
like
to
see
that
that
needs
to
be
presented.
I,
don't
know
if
that
has,
if
that's
Landmark
or
if
it's
something
or
someone
else,
I
I,
also
respect
that
you
know
y'all
in
West,
Ashley
I
completely.
Take
your
guidance
as
to
what
your
constituents
want
and
again
I
know.
E
If
and
when
I
want
the
same
thing
on
James
Island,
you
know
I'd
hope
that
you'd
be
a
voice
for
us
over
there,
but
I
just
don't
know
if
this
is
it.
So
that
is
my
concern
with
extending
this.
You
know
with
this
extension.
Are
we
are
we
saying
yes
we're
doing
this,
or
are
we
just
having
another
60-day
discussion?
So
that's
my
those
are
my
thoughts.
Thank
you.
L
I
I
do
have
one
point:
yes,
because
I've
heard
this
a
couple
of
times
about
nickel
and
Diamond
West
Ashley,
all
due
respect,
councilman
about
a
parking
garage
space,
usually
costs,
and
that's
because
a
lot
of
people
around
the
table
have
been
involved
with
building
parking
garages
and
how
much
those
parking
garage
space
normally
cost.
Not
a
lot
of
things
got
topsy-turvy
since
covert
for
the
parking
space
costs
somewhere
around
the
parking
garage,
believe
it
or
not,
about
25
to
29
000
per
space.
L
The
parking
space
for
this
underground
is
costing
85
000
for
one
space,
I
mean
that's
a
hundred
more
than
150
percent
more.
Those
are
millions
of
dollars
that
can
be
built
spent
above
the
ground
for
the
citizens
of
West
Ashley,
literally
that
all
come
and
visit
this
area
can
enjoy,
as
opposed
to
being
under
the
ground,
with
a
world-class
underground
parking
garage.
We
can
have
millions
of
dollars
if
we
came
up
with
another
opportunity,
another
way
to
park
so
aspects
that
people
can
literally
enjoy.
So
that's
not
nickel
and
Diamond.
L
If
they
came
up
with
a
85
000,
oh
per
space,
Park
Garage
on
the
peninsula
we'd
be
pushing
back
on
that
as
well.
That's
the
part
that
it's
like
somehow
we
don't
want
to
do
for
West,
Ashley,
I'm,
born
and
red
from
West
Ashley.
There's
nobody
wants
to
see
including
councilman
Shaheed.
He
wants
it,
but
he
doesn't
wants
it
more
than
me.
It
may
be
a
photo
finish.
I
L
D
D
That,
like
I,
said
it's
more
in
Charleston
one
city,
there's
only
one
you
know,
and
even
with
the
peninsula
I
keep
saying
here
in
this
concert,
Chambers
all
the
time
that
you
know
in
the
City
of
Charleston.
We
always
always
had
a
nucleus.
The
nucleus
was
one
of
the
peninsula
and
everything's
a
stems
from
the
nucleus.
That's
what
science
taught
me
so
we
have
to
be
always
trying
to
get
the
nucleus
correct
and
get
it
right
and
extend
out
to
these
other
areas.
D
James
Island
John's
Island,
Daniels
Island,
which
I
represented
John's
I,
mean
Daniels
Island
in
1998
and
I.
It
moved
me
over
into
the
peninsula,
so
I
was
all
over
the
place.
West
Ashley
I
know
West
Ashley
too
I
lived
in
West
Ashley
looked
all
around
it
and
I
said
it's
not
about
what's
going
on
here.
D
We
want
West,
Ashley,
be
the
best
just
like
any
other
places,
but
when
I
heard
about
the
the
parking
situation,
the
money
that
being
spent-
and
we
say
we're
the
good
caretakers
of
the
money
that's
coming
in
here
from
for
the
residents
of
the
City
of
Charleston,
that
was
the
biggest
thing
in
my
dilemma
and
I
told
councilman
ceade
that
I
want
the
the
center.
So
we
can
have
a
place
to
go
to
so
far
as
council
meeting,
and
we
have
the
casement
be.
I
was
all
for
that.
D
We
have
never
done
that
since
I
was
there
that
type
money
I
don't
care
what
kind
of
development
is
going
on?
We
have
never
put
that
kind
of
money
in
a
parking
space
people.
They
say:
oh
the
people,
the
one
underground
parking.
Okay,
it's
fine!
What
you
want
I
have
been
against
a
lot
of
time
in
my
district,
the
district
I
represent,
so
to
speak
against
my
constituents
on
certain
things,
because
what
they
see
what
they
want.
That's
not
might
not
be
the
best
thing
in
the
world
for
them
until
it
was
built.
They
said.
D
Oh,
that
was
oh,
it's
all
right
now,
so
you
have
to
make
some
decisions,
that's
not
best
for
everyone,
but
to
know
wholeheartedly.
That's
the
best
thing
that
happens
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
and
this
is
what
we're
here
sitting
for
is
best
what's
best
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
because
half
of
what's
going
on
now,
we'll
see
half
of
the
City
of
Charleston
that
we
know
of
is
not
the
City
of
Charleston.
Now
so
far
as
residence
is
concerned.
I'm
talking
about
so
I
was
ready
to
vote
and
I
was
going
to
vote.
D
D
When
we
voted
on
a
few
minutes
ago,
it
would
have
been
approved
for
60
days
and
I
was
going
right
along
with
it.
But
after
all
this
conversation
that
I
already
heard
before
and
the
last
council
meeting
the
same
thing,
I
hear
again
the
night
I
said
man,
that's
enough
of
that.
You
know
so.
I
want
to
see
some
alternatives.
I
want
to
see
the
best
thing.
They
say:
okay,
that's
the
Gateway!
That's
a
good
job
in
South,
Carolina!
Okay!
Let's
do
it
if
you're
gonna
do
it,
let's
do
the
best.
D
D
K
Or
Choice
number
one
that
council
member
badly
100,
it
needs
to
be
grand
without
any
question
and
what
I
would
recommend
that
we
do
is
we
we
put
a
timer
on
on
Landmark
to
come
back
within
30
days.
Give
us
a
preliminary
report
on
what
we're
doing.
One
thing
for
certain
one
thing:
for
certain:
the
underground
garage
is
d-e-a-d,
it's
dead,
that's
not
gonna
happen.
The
question
may
be:
is
it
a
circle
slot
or
do
we
add
some
more
buildings
to
to?
K
We
require
an
above
ground
garage,
but
but
this
is
so
critically
important
that
having
all
of
it
all
of
us
engage
in
this
process
and
be
CR
have
a
critical
eye
to.
It
is
very
important
that
we
that
we
do
that
so
Landmark
had
the
opportunity
to
walk
away
from
this
after
our
executive
session
they
they've
stepped
up
to
the
plate.
They
want
to
see
this
thing
completed,
they're
eager
they've,
been
they've,
been
listening
to
me
and
I've
been
yelling
and
screaming
at
them,
and
they
put
up
a
lot
of
crap
for
me.
A
N
When
I
said
nickel
and
dime,
what
I
meant
is
take
away,
what's
actually
going
to
draw
people
here,
leave
what's
not
going
to
draw
people
here
and
then
waste
City
money
on
that,
and
that
is
what
we
are
hurtling
towards
and
I'll
tell
you
right
now.
I
want
no
part
in
that,
and
and
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
yeah
absolutely
I
would
I
would
love
to
I.
Would
love
to
what's
going
to
draw
people
here?
Is
the
restaurant
space
is
the
retail
space?
N
It's
not
the
government
space
the
government
space
is
fan
is
fantastic.
It's
very
helpful
to
the
citizens
of
West
Ashley,
but
it's
not
the
draw
the
the
businesses
are,
the
businesses
require
parking,
the
space
doesn't
have
space,
the
parcel
doesn't
have
space
for
parking,
and
so
we
need
to
get
creative.
It's
going
to
be
expensive.
Have
we
built
a
City
Garage
in
2023?
We
have
not
20
23
are
different.
It
is
going
to
cost
more
money.
N
If
we,
when
I
said
nickel
and
dime
I,
mean
take
away
all
the
things
that
are
going
to
draw,
people
here,
leave
whatever's
left
and
then
we
are
just
lighting
City
money
on
fire,
and
you
know
that's
that's
my
personal
opinion
that
is
I.
Certainly
do
not
speak
for
any
of
my
colleagues,
but
I
wouldn't
vote
for
that,
and-
and
you
know
it's
hard
for
me
to
believe
that
we
haven't
gathered
the
input
of
again
business
owners.
N
Property
Owners,
along
Sam
Rittenberg,
who
I
just
feel
pretty
strongly,
would
would
be
in
favor
of
this
and
would
be
somewhat
shocked
that
we're
passing
up
the
opportunity
to
do
it.
We've
got
it.
We've
got
a
great
plan
in
front
of
us,
I
didn't
you
know
when
I
said
nickel
and
dime
I
I
simply
meant
taking
away
what
would
actually
draw
people
here
and
it's
it's
just
not
worth
it
to
do.
That.
A
B
Promise
I'm
going
to
be
really
quick.
Let
me
State
my
position.
I,
don't
think
the
original
plan
is
deed,
dead,
I
think
we
need
to
keep
that
plan
on
the
table.
I
think
we
need
to
compare
and
contrast
it
with
what
landmark
comes
forward
with.
So
we
can
make
a
choice
for
what's
best
for
West
Ashley.
Do
we
want
to
have
the
active
engaged,
synergistic,
Dynamic
development?
That's
on
the
table.
B
That's
going
to
cost
a
little
bit
more
or
do
we
want
to
just
have
something
that
looks
nice
and
with
some
government
buildings.
It's
not
that
that's
a
bad
concept
or
a
wrong
concept.
It's
a
different
concept.
It's
not
doing
the
same
sort
of
thing.
It's
not
the
same!
Catalyst
and
I
think
that,
let's,
let's
all
hold
our
judgment
until
we
have
both
options
in
front
of
us
and
we'll
make
a
decision
at
that
point.
So
I
just
want
to
say,
let's
not
give
up
on
any
of
the
options.
Yet
thanks.