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City of Charleston Committee on Ways and Means 4/13/2021
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A
A
A
B
E
A
G
G
G
May
we
be
just
and
upright
in
our
thinking,
honest
in
all
our
actions
and
ever
be
guided
by
a
true
conscience
in
the
legislation
we
propose
or
vote
upon.
Forgive
us
all
our
mistakes
and
selfish
tendencies
and
help
prepare
us
by
our
good
deeds
for
an
eternal
union
with
you
through
christ.
Our
lord
amen.
E
H
H
I
A
A
D
A
F
F
It
is
so
successful
that
she's
making
plans
to
expand
in
colombia
and
explain
expand
into
the
upstate
as
well.
So
we
were
the
incubator
for
this
program
back
in
2015
and
she's
had
continued
success
for
the
past
six
years.
I
just
think
that
was
worthwhile
for
the
council
to
be
made
aware
of
amy's
success
with
attorney
lee
program
and
our
support
of
that.
I
know
that
chief
reynolds
is
on
the
line.
F
A
A
H
H
J
I
J
H
H
J
H
C
And
I'll
add
that,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
reiterate.
This
was
the
measure
as
councilmember
jackson
just
mentioned,
that
our
citizens,
our
voters,
approved,
and
we
have
very
wisely
waited
until
really
the
money
is
all
been
planned
and
and
now
needed.
And,
coincidentally,
we
have
the
benefit
of
a
very
attractive
interest
rate
at
this
time.
J
C
F
A
E
But,
however,
one
of
the
biggest
issues
in
the
area
of
the
city
is
traffic
gridlock
on
ashley,
river,
road
and
the
surrounding
areas.
And
if
you
don't
live
there,
you
really
don't
understand
what
I'm
talking
about
and
if
you
did
live
there.
I
know
you
would
feel
you
know
exactly
the
same
way.
We
have
many
city.
E
Employees
live
in
that
area
with
that
situation
twice
a
day
at
least
mostly
every
day,
and
you
know,
instead
of
attempting
to
correct
a
traffic
problem,
that
we
have
by
doing
this,
we're
adding
to
that
traffic
problem
and
we're
adding
to
the
roads
that
can't
handle
that
traffic
right
now
and
because
of
those
increased.
You
know
because
that
increased
traffic
we're
seeing
an
increased
number
of
accidents
now
in
that
area
and
it's
really
become
a
dangerous
area.
So,
no
doubt
you
know
classic
development
properties,
they're
very
reputable
company.
They
do
outstanding
work.
E
You
know
we
had
awarded
them
two
million
dollars.
Their
costs
went
up
now,
they're
requesting
another
six
hundred
thousand,
a
thirty
percent
increase,
and
that's
a
lot
of
money
for
us
to
give
up
when
we're
negatively
affecting
the
quality
of
life.
To
the
people
in
the
district
that
I
represent,
so
I
just
don't
feel
like
it's
fair
to
our
constituents
in
that
area,
and
I
do
think
that
money
could
have
been
spent
more
wisely
somewhere
else.
So
I
just
had
to
say
that
thank
you.
E
A
A
E
H
L
We
awarded
2
million,
so
he
did
come
back
and
request
the
additional
600
000,
but
in
addition
to
the
traffic
challenges,
we
have
housing
challenges,
and
so
I
would
remind
us
of
the
need
for
housing,
especially
in
our
west
ashley
community.
That
requires
the
largest
number
of
housing.
Is
we
look
at
the
data
from
the
comprehensive
plan
that
is
being
developed
by
our
planning
department,
and
so
naturally,
if
city
council
does
not
approve
this,
they
would
have
to
find
the
money.
Otherwise,
thank
you.
M
M
Yes,
sir,
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
tough
situation
here,
because
I
I
totally
agree
with
councilman
rasheely
and
I
actually
voted
with
him.
I'm
on
the
other,
affordable
housing
development,
the
only
affordable
housing
development
that
I've
ever
voted
against
since
I've
been
on
council
and
it's
to
the
fact
that,
just
because
we
have
a
need
for
housing,
we
have
to
be
making
sure
that
they're
going
into
the
right
areas-
and
I
understand
west
ashley
as
a
whole-
needs
more
affordable
housing
units,
and
I
think
that
we've
really
thought
outside
the
box
on
that.
M
M
We
can
do
as
a
city
to
make
traffic
any
better
out
there
and,
unfortunately,
all
that
the
residents
out
there
are
going
to
see
are
more
units
they're
not
going
to
understand
that
this
is
to
help
affordable
housing
they're
just
not
going
to
get
it,
and
it's
not
their
fault
that
they
don't
all
they
see,
are
units
going
up
in
an
area
of
high
density
and
really
little
to
no
infrastructure
improvement.
So
you
know
we
just
have
to
be
very
smart
about
where
we
develop
in
west
ashley.
M
I
love
the
affordable
housing
units
that
have
come
to
asheville
and
maryville.
I
just
think
that
you
know
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
on
this,
only
because
we've
already
appropriated
the
money-
and
I
don't
want
to
pigeonhole
the
developer,
but
you
know
we
gotta.
I
think
we've
got
to
kind
of
take
our
focus
away
from
trying
to
get
more
units
down
61
in
that
corridor,
because
it's
just
the
infrastructure
improvements.
M
L
No
sir,
not
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
know
that
chloe
from
our
planning
department
worked
with
a
member
of
my
team
and
they
have
established.
They
have
a
number
that
represents
what
is
available
in
the
west
ashley
community.
So
I
am
glad
to
share
that
with
council
later
on,
but
I
don't
know
that
right
off.
F
L
F
L
Yes,
sir
I'll,
be
glad
to
share
that,
and
I
would
also
remind
council
that
the
developers
working
on
this
site
have
been
looking
at
this
site
for
the
last
two
plus
years,
so
it
wasn't
decided
on
a
whim.
They
have
been
looking
at
it
and
planning
appropriately,
but
to
the
suggestions,
planning
staff
and
housing
staff
have
also
looked
at
and
evaluated
where
it
is
best
to
develop
in
the
city
of
charleston.
L
F
I
know
that
we've
addressed
this
issue
in
our
rest,
actual
revitalization,
commission
meetings
in
the
past,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
continuing
on
the
right
path
with
this
you
know
we.
There
is
obviously
a
huge
explosion
of
residents
coming
into
west
ashley,
and
it
is
critical
that
we
maintain
this
balance
of
affordable
housing
all
throughout
west
ashley,
and
that
that
is
part
of
this
plan.
F
To
maintain
that
some
of
this,
of
course,
also
deals
with
access
to
affordable
transportation
as
as
well,
and
so,
while
the
comments
about
transportation
are
important
to
keep
in
mind,
there's
also
availability
to
shopping
areas,
restaurants,
grocery
stores
and
things
of
that
nature
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
a
concern
of
just
traffic.
F
It's
also
a
concern
of
accessibility,
other
things
that
people
we
take
for
that
we
take
for
granted,
and
hopefully
we
get
this
epic
center
up
and
running
and
address
a
good
number
of
those
units
for
work,
workforce,
housing
and
affordable
housing
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
of
potential
out
here
in
whis
ashley,
and
I
understand
the
concerns
of
my
colleagues
on
this
that
and
I
hope
that
they
will
support
this
effort
and
I
think,
given
a
full
picture.
It's
critical,
mr
chairman,
as
you
just
as
you
just
mentioned.
A
And,
and
some
of
the
the
things
that
you
just
listed
are
a
natural
part
of
the
site
selection
process,
it's
a
part
of
what
we
call
citing
neighborhood
standards.
So
a
lot
of
what
you're
talking
about
schools,
grocery
stores,
transportation,
blah
blah
blah.
All
of
that
is
a
part
of
what
miss
johnson's
office
does
in
terms
of
determining
the
suitability
of
sites.
F
C
Thank
you,
and
I
I
don't
have
all
the
numbers
on
the
top
my
head,
but
I
do
recall
from
our
housing
analysis
done
for
our
comprehensive
plan
just
recently
that
they
not
only
ascertain
the
total
number
of
affordable
units
per
area
of
our
city.
But
they
also
projected
the
number
of
affordable
units
needed
city-wide
by
2030
to
eliminate
what
they
called
a
termed
affordability
gap
and
in
fact,
wes
actually
had
the
highest
need
a
projection
of
over
6
000
units
needed
by
the
year
2030
to
meet
current
and
future
demand.
C
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
don't
I
don't
disagree
with
you
on
the
number
of
people
moving
in
this
having
to
have
you
know,
affordable
housing.
I
know
how
important
it
is,
but
as
more
people
move
along
additional
river
road,
the
problem's
going
to
get
worse,
it's
not
going
to
get
better
and
I
just
think
we
have
to
do
a
better
job
of
looking
at
traffic
and
what
can
be
done
about
traffic
before
we
help
put
more
traffic
on
those
roads
because
it
is
a
mess
in
ashley
river
road.
A
I
I
Waring
I'm
gonna
vote
for
the
measure,
but
councilman
shealy
and
griffin
and
those
that
live
in
that
area
have
a
legitimate
complaint.
What's
going
to
be
the
action
step,
we
know
that
the
traffic
is
a
problem,
but
what's
the
coordination
we're
getting
with
the
city
the
county
to
improve
current
lanes
and
point?
I
I
think
that
could
be
the
action
step
coming
out
of
this,
even
if
we,
the
answer,
may
be
no
now.
But
if
we
begin
to
ask
for
better,
a
better
solution
can
be
had
just
have
a
good
hearty
conversation
about
traffic
problems
out
there
we
know
there's
some
solutions
coming
down:
glenn
mcconnell
and
those
those
actions
are
proceeding
forward,
but
on
o61
there
are
a
couple
of
places
that,
if
turn
lanes
were
there,
it
would
make
traffic
flow
a
little
bit
better
right.
Now
I
don't.
D
I
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
real
estate
committee
meet
yesterday
afternoon
at
two
o'clock.
We
had
several
items
on
our
agenda
of
high
importance.
The
first
item
dealt
with
a
amendment
to
this
property,
known
as
the
village
green,
which
is
part
of
the
longs.
So
what
we
call
the
long
savannah
project
is
actually
not
part
of
long
savannah,
but
it's
part
of
that
overall
project
sterling
was
available,
who
gave
us
a
rundown
of
this
amendment?
F
One
of
the
major
issues
that
were
addressed
with
this
was
the
reduction
of
property
allocated
for
the
city
to
exercise
an
option
to
purchase
dropped
from
25
acres
to
15
acres
in
order
to
help
the
developer
a
17.5
acre,
stormwater
retention.
Pond
on
on
the
property,
the
city
would
have
three
within
three
years
to
exercise
that
option
to
to
purchase
sterling.
If
you
are
available,
you
may
just
want
to
fill
in
the
gaps
that
I
mentioned
on
that.
Let
me
also
say
before
I
truly
turn
this
over
to
sterling.
F
I
made
it
known
to
the
committee
yesterday
I'll
make
it
known
to
the
the
committee
of
a
whole
ways
and
means
that
my
wife
represents
the
developer
of
this
project
on
a
totally
unrelated
matter,
not
dealing
with
anything
dealing
with
the
city
or
something
with
stormwater
with
dealing
with
them
other
issues
unassociated
with
this
development
or
with
something
with
the
city
I
offered
to
recuse
myself,
but
someone
thought
that
was
a
conflict.
I
did
consult
with
a
ethics
expert
before
deciding
whether
or
not
I
needed
to
recuse
myself.
F
My
expert
advised
me
that
there
was
no
conflict
because
there's
no
business
with
the
city,
and
I
did
not
recuse
myself
from
that.
The
vote
was
three
to
two
to
move
this
forward
to
the
ways
and
means
committee
after
a
very
spirited
discussion,
including
them
council
member
kevin
sheeley,
joined
in
and
participated
in
that
discussion
as
well.
Even
though
he's
not
a
member
of
the
committee,
so
with
that
being
said,
as
a
background
sterling,
could
you
fill
in
the
gaps?
For
me,
please
assume
what
I
just
mentioned.
That's
item
a.
A
N
N
The
original
development
agreement
was
executed
in
2015,
and
it
was
only
for
five
years.
So
this
is
the
renewal
and
we
have
been
negotiating
in
good
faith
for
a
better
part
of
a
year
now
to
come
up
with
some
terms
that
you
know
both
parties
could
agree
upon
in
addition
to
the
five-year
extension
if
you'd
like,
I
could
show
the
plan
map
again
or
does
everybody
have
a
good
sense
of
where
this
is
located?.
N
Okay,
so
I'll
just
keep
going
so
in
addition
to
extending
for
five
more
years,
the
first
amendment
will
clarify
that
the
development
of
the
property
will
be
subject
to
the
city's
current
storm
water
regulations,
in
effect
at
the
time
of
submission
of
a
complete
construction
activity
application,
and
this
will
apply
to
each
phase
of
development
if
the
development
is
done
in
phases.
So
that's
one
thing
that
we
wanted
to
put
in
there
just
to
strengthen
and
clarify
our
position
that
the
development
will
be
subject
to
our
current
stormwater
regulations.
N
Creek
basin,
the
design
and
the
location
of
the
pond
will
be
subject
to
the
city's
design
review
committee's
approval
and
the
developer
will
convey
recreational
easements
to
the
city
in
and
around
the
pond,
so
that
the
public
can
use
this
as
a
public
space,
and
so
the
only
other
change
is
related
to
the
parks
agreement.
So
in
consideration
for
the
benefits
that
the
17.5
acre
pond
will
have
in
the
church
creek
basin
area,
the
city
has
agreed
to
contribute
10
of
the
original
25
reserved
air
acres
to
contribute
toward
the
pond
acreage.
N
This
will
be
the
only
in
neighborhood
field
park,
space
in
the
area,
and
so
the
city
is
hoping
to
create
some
recreational
facilities
on
this
15
acres,
which
would
be
similar
to
the
bees
landing
recreational
complex
possible,
which
is
about
five
to
ten
acres,
the
jack
adams
tennis
center,
which
is
about
one
acre
or
perhaps
have
a
moultrie
playground
in
there,
which
is
around
four
or
five
acres.
So
we
think
that
we
can
get
some
good
active
park
space
squeezed
out
of
that
15
acres
that
we
have
now.
N
You
know
reserved
for
the
city
to
purchase
and
again
this
is
an
option
to
purchase
it's
not
an
obligation
and
we've
made
some
other
minor
changes.
Just
you
know,
as
to
the
conveyance,
but
councilmember
shade
mentioned,
that
we
will
have
three
years
to
purchase
within
the
recording
date
of
the
final
subdivision
plot,
and
then
you
know
all
other
terms
and
conditions
of
the
original
development
agreement
will
remain
in
place
and
remain
unchanged.
N
F
N
It
is
the
park
use,
so
the
original
agreement
was
a
a
requirement
for
the
city
to
purchase
at
the
fair
market
value.
So
the
change
that
we've
made
is
an
option
to
purchase
and
we
will
do
an
appraisal
based
on
the
park,
use
appraised
value
and
that
will
be
the
purchase
price.
So
we
don't
know
for
sure
what
that
appraised
value
will
be
based
on
the
park
use,
but
we're
confident
that
it
will
be
a
discount
from
the
fair
market
value.
A
F
F
I
hate
to
compare
it
to
something
like
colonial
lake,
but
I
think
that's
probably
not
a
there's,
an
easy
analysis
to
of
the
public
having
access
to
that
area.
Even
if
we
don't
do
that-
and
I
would
encourage
that-
we
would
do
that.
Mr
chairman,
because
this
area
is
in
so
sure
is
in
need
of
recreation
facilities.
F
We've
we've
got
the
other
of
the
beast
ferry
park
and
the
west
ashley
facility,
but
this
area
is,
is
in
need
of
recreational
acreage
as
well,
and
I
think
that
was
sort
of
the
concern
that
councilmember,
shealy
and
councilmember
wearing
had
raised
at
the
meeting
yesterday
concerning
the
availability
of
just
raw
acreage
for
recreational
use
and
and
okay
to
go
back
to
the
plan.
Wes
actually.
A
M
Yes,
sir,
I
appreciate
it.
You
know
this
is
in
my
district
and
man.
It
would
absolutely
change
the
overall
footprint
of
this
area.
You
know
this
is
the
most
some
of
the
most
important
land
in
all
of
west
ashen.
We
can
all
agree
with
that.
Like
sterling
said
this
is
in
the
the
church,
creek
tiff
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
out
there.
I
listened
into
to
the
real
estate
meeting
over
youtube
today
and
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
questions
that
were
being
asked.
M
M
I
would
hate
for
us
to
have
a
contentious
back
and
forth
tonight,
and
then
we
have
to
sit
and
wait
for
two
weeks
until
we
have
a
public
hearing,
and
I
certainly
don't
want
the
public
to
think
that
we
have
anything
in
the
best
interest
for
west
ashley.
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
want
to
do
what
is
going
to
make
west
ashley
great,
all
of
us
of
west
ashley.
We
know
how
important
this
is.
M
E
You
know
it's
more
than
recreational
that
we're
lacking
in
west
ashley.
It's
actually
athletic
facilities,
athletic
fields
and
we
don't
have
access
to.
We've
got
kids
going
to
all
the
municipalities
to
play
ball
in
different
places.
So
you
know
one
further
question
that
I
think
that
you
can
get
over
this
next
couple
of
weeks.
Is
you
know,
as
this
study
comes
back
to
our
recreation,
folks
and
recreation
department,
is.
A
F
Item
number
b,
mr
chairman,
dealt
with
the
allocation
of
250
000
to
the
friends
of
the
of
the
low
line.
This
would
be,
I
think,
chip
mcqueen
is
available
for
us,
but
this
would
go
towards
surveys.
Environmental
reports,
construction,
that
sort
of
stuff.
We
had
another
spirited
discussion
about
that.
F
Councilmember
waring
raised
some
concerns
about
account
on
accounting
and
also
transparency
with
this
project.
The
money
would
stay
essentially
within
this,
the
city
and
it
would
go
through
a
vetting
process
through
with
amy
wharton
office
and
our
our
legal
counsel
that
eventually
got
approved
unanimously
and
chip.
I
know
I
I'm
not
doing
justice
to
your
wonderful
presentation
yesterday,
anything
else
you
know
we
needed
to
add
to
this
250
000
approval.
K
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
clear
that
it's
not
sort
of
a
250
thousand
dollar
check.
That's
up
to
the
cfo
in
corporation
council
that
it's,
you
know.
The
city
council
approved
the
concept
master
plan
in
december,
which
sets
forth
the
phase
one.
You
know
improvements,
and
this
is
for
final
design,
engineering
and
construction
budgeting
up
200
250
000
for
those
that
comply
with
that
phase,
one
portion
of
the
conceptual
master
plan.
So
that's
sort
of
the
evaluation
question.
K
There's
also
that
this
is
a
second
addendum
to
the
2018
agreement
and
that
has
all
the
language
about
insurance,
environmental,
all
the
all
the
things
you'd
expect
to
see
in
an
agreement
like
this,
so
I
just
didn't
want
you
to
think
so
short
that
there's
no
meat
to
it.
It
just
incorporates
the
old
one-
and
I
know
councilmember
warren,
get
asked
about.
K
B
K
Yeah,
I
think
this
essentially
allows
the
the
final
design
and
engineering
and
those
types
of
items
to
begin
to
move
forward
and
a
huge
issue.
I
think,
for
the
folks
of
the
low
line
when
we
purchase
this
is
that
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
cooperate,
but
they're
they're,
also
fundraising
and
raising
money
from
private
funds,
and
I
think
the
more
they
can
do
to
keep
the
ball
in
that
sense
rolling
the
easier
it
is
for
them
to
fundraise.
K
K
Yes,
sir,
that
they
would
not
be
they
can't
get
any
money
out
of
you
except
200.
They
they
could
get
up
to
250
000
if
it
satisfies
those
requirements,
if
they
want
any
more
money,
that's
up
to
city
council,
okay,
that
they
don't
get
any
more.
They
can
come
back
and
ask
for
more
which
people
do
that.
This
is
a
this
is
capped
at
250
they're,
not
getting
any
more
than
that
under
this
document,.
K
Number
one
well
number
one.
I
think
it's
gonna
it's
a
time
will
tell
thing
if
the
low
line
has
better
resources
than
us,
then
I
think
they're
ready
to
step
in
and
do
that,
and
we
prefer
to
do
that
if
they
do
not,
I
think
the
city.
This
is
something
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
look
at
taking
over,
but
I
it's
contemplated
that
the
low
line
would
drive
this
forward.
Friends
would
continue
to
drive
this
forward
from
the
get-go.
That's
it
that's
that
came
with
the
purchase
of
the
property.
Okay,.
A
A
I
mean
I'm
full
support
of
the
low
line,
but
I'm
also
in
full
support
of
the
capacity
of
our
capital
project
staff,
as
well
as
our
stormwater
division,
and
if
we're
going
affordable
housing
as
well
as
our
housing
division,
and
it's
going
to
involve
transportation,
I
mean
it
involves
just
about
every
aspect
of
the
city,
so
I'm
just
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
you
know
we
are
going
to
be.
It
should
be
involved
intricately,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
to
the
areas
that
we
I
think
at
this
point.
F
Moving
this
project
along
for
this,
like
what
you
just
said
for
the
city
to
be
in
control
of
this,
to
use
our
expertise
that
we
have
here,
and
so
I've
encouraged
them
to
come
back
to
the
real
estate
committee
or
something
along
those
lines
to
come
up
with
an
overall
scheme
of
how
this
is
going
to
be
development.
And
what
and
what
process
is
going
to
be
done
in
as
well.
A
K
Absolutely
not
okay
city,
until
city
council,
green
lights
that
there's
no
more
money
than
right
now,
250
000,
I
think,
there's
been
been
about
98
000
expended.
I
think
we've
still
got
environmental
costs.
That'll,
you
know,
might
be
around
100
000,
but
there's
no
multi-million
dollar
obligation
and
okay
city
council
will
have
plenty
of
notice
and
andy.
Gowder
has
sent
me
like
a
29-page
document.
That
sort
of
lays
out
those
things-
and
I
will
say
with
alan
he's-
worked
very
well
with
the
friends
it
really.
K
G
K
D
Yeah,
that's
that's
the
same
question.
I
wanted
to
ask
the
same
question
that
councilman
gregory
asked,
and
you
know
I
I
support
the
low
line
also,
but
I
just
like
to
be
transparent
with
all
this
that's
going
on
and
with
the
city.
You
know
using
these
monies
so
far
as
taxpayers,
funds
too
and
with
the
low
line.
I
feel
that
we
have
expert
people
working
for
the
city.
That
can
do
these
same
thing
that
we
don't
have
to
really
even
the
low
line.
D
So
those
are
things
I
was
looking
at
very
seriously
about
money-wise
when
everybody
is
scrapped
with
these
money-
and
I
don't
know
how
much
like
constantly
greg
would
say
if
you're
gonna
be
60
million
and
down
the
road
and
they
come
back
and
we
have
the
confidence
more
money
and
we're
going
to
vote
on
it.
It
might
be
a
different
council,
then,
so
we
don't
want
to
put
ourselves
in
really
in
a
bad
shape
that
way
with
fun
wise.
D
K
And
I
will
say
we
have
full
ability
to
get
any
financial
documents
related
to
the
project
from
them
on.
I
forget
how
many
days
noticed-
and
I
also
checked
so
when
you're
an
entity
that
solicits
charitable
contributions
in
south
carolina.
You
have
to
file
paperwork
with
the
secretary
of
state
as
of
maybe
10
years
ago,
and
they
are
they
they're
they're
certified
under
that
they're
they're,
not
an
exempt
organization,
and
they
last
I
checked.
K
They
update
kept
all
their
paperwork
update
and
it
shows
you
know
how
much
they've
expended
how
much
they've
expended
on
projects
how
much
operating
expenses
they
incurred.
They
have
to
file
that
yearly
with
secretary
of
state
in
order
to
solicit
contributions.
So
there
is,
they
are
subject
to
other
transparency
requirements
than
we
are.
F
K
Being
said,
I
don't
think
anybody
has
the
idea
that
this
would
that
this
would
be
something
where
they're
completely
in
control
and
the
city's
not
involved
at
all.
I
think
it's
every
agreement
I
think
we've
had
involved
is
mentioned
collaboration
and
cooperation,
and
not
one
person
taking
the
ball
and
running
yeah.
I
A
C
Well,
I
raised
my
hand
a
moment
ago,
because
I
didn't
want
to
reply
to
your
question
about
the
design
and
and
the
expertise
of
our
city,
folks,
which
we
certainly
have
clearly.
However,
when
we
get
to
this
point
in
a
project,
we
we
almost
always
go
outside
and
hire
a
design
firm
to
get
the
specific
design
accomplished
and
and
just
like,
we
did
car
richardson
park
or
any
other
park
that
we
create
from
scratch.
C
Now
that
that
being
said,
some
of
the
conversation
did
did
make
me
want
to
reiterate
a
couple
of
points
yesterday
that
you
know
we
wouldn't
even
be
here,
if
not
for
the
friends
of
the
low
line
who
today
have
put
more
money
of
their
own
money
into
the
to
the
project
than
than
the
city
has.
If
you
count
the
credit
for
the
property
that
we
sold
to
the
cog
and
in
our
partnership,
starting
with
the
first
memorandum
led
to
the
concept
plan
that
we
all
approve
unanimously
in
december.
C
So
this
just
takes
the
design
one
step
further
to
let
you
know
jacob
before
he
left
and
alan
davis
has
really
connected
the
hit
with
this
area.
We
have
a
whole
set
of
design
guidelines
in
addition
to
the
concept
plan
to
help
guide.
You
know
the
the
design
process
going
forward,
and
so
this
effort
also
gets
us
closer
to
where
we
can
get
more
definitive
pricing
so
that
we
can
apply
for
grants
and
other
federal
funding
that
might
be
available.
C
I
I
There
is
no
municipality
in
the
state
of
south
carolina
that
has
more
experience
in
doing
linear
parts
in
particular
adjacent
to
waterways.
In
the
city
of
charleston,
there
is
no
capital
projects.
Department,
municipal
anywhere
in
the
state
of
south
carolina,
has
more
experience
than
the
city
of
charleston,
in
particular
spring
fishburn
september,
clark.
Being
the
leading
example
when
it
comes
to
right
now,
we're
building
one
of
the
linear
parts,
this
side
of
the
mississippi.
I
I
am
concerned
about
transparency
with
this
and
if
you
say
why
I've
been
involved
with
hearing
about
the
little
line
prior
to
this
administration
coming
in
and
yeah,
the
numbers
have
been
moving
around
six
weeks
ago
at
our
community
development
meeting.
Now
I
said
I'm
going
to
vote
for
this,
but
I'm
giving
you
exactly
when
I
have
questions
about
transparency.
I
I
Two
weeks
after
that,
we
were
told
they
needed
three
hundred
thousand
today
in
this
document
is
250
000.
The
spending
of
taxpayers
dollars
should
not
fluctuate
like
that.
We
should
have
more
definitive
numbers
when
it
comes
to
knowing
right
now
we're
in
the
middle
of
ways
and
means
every
two
weeks
we
get
a
packet
with
support
and
documents
for
council
to
review,
but
we
can
vote
intelligently
on
appropriating
other
people's
money.
I
That's
what
we're
talking
about
with
stewards,
there's
too
much
about
the
loan
of
the
spending
money
that
is
not
transparent,
and
I
am
pleading
more
infant
up
front.
Should
we
hold
this
from
going
forward?
I
would
tell
you
no,
let's
go
forward,
let's
go
forward
with
this
one,
but
when
it
comes
to
spending
dollars,
we
need
to
do
that
in
a
way
that
we
best
know
through
our
capital
project
department,
through
our
engineering
and
when
it
comes
to
inflatable
public
private
partnerships.
I
I
Right
now,
we've
got
a
100
million
dollar
international
african
american
museum
going
on.
There
is
no
cloud
if
you
will
a
fogginess,
a
lack
of
transparency
on
the
donor's
behalf
or
where
municipal
money
steep
monies
came
from
county
county
government
money
came
from.
I
am
asking
to
make
build
a
little.
I
The
low
line
has
done
a
lot
of
good
and
I
fully
acknowledge
that,
but
I
think
we
ought
to
be
watching
the
alternative
transportation
money
not
only
for
the
low
line,
but
for
the
green
right
in
the
end,
all
of
them
are
transportation
projects.
This
is
the
first
time
any
major
infrastructure
bill
has
come
forward
almost
since
the
eisenhower
administration
and
we're
going
to
ask
for
an
earmark
for
the
low
line.
I
We've
got
three
alternative
transportation
effort
that
we
could
do
let
food
alone
having
this
conversation
right
now,
so
the
little
line
has
been
accretive
for
this
process.
I
fully
admit
we
can
do
it
better
and
that's
what
I'm
advocating
for.
I
don't
want
to
turn
it
into
you
again
us
against
them.
It
should
be
a
week.
I
I
F
I
A
O
We
can
put
all
kinds
of
transparency
mechanisms
in
place
here,
there's
nothing,
that's
preventing
us
from
doing
that,
and
I
think
we
should
do
that
as
this
project
moves
forward.
But,
let's
you
know,
I
want
to
provide
sort
of
a
counter
perspective
to
this.
When
I
talk
to
jason
kronsberg-
and
I
don't
want
to
put
him
on
the
spot
right
now,
but
I
don't
get
the
sense
that
he's
got
like
a
lot
of
time
on
his
hands,
a
lot
of
like
unused
capacity
around
the
capital
projects
department.
O
His
department
is
completely
maxed
out
and
completely
they
have
an
enormous
amount
of
stuff
on
their
plate.
The
city
here
is,
being
you
know,
presented
with
this
incredible
vision
that
can
really
dramatically
improve,
transform,
enhance
this
part
of
the
peninsula.
We
have
millions
of
dollars
coming
to
the
table
from
private
sources.
We've
got
a
lot
of
people
behind
this
effort
that
know
what
they're
doing,
and
we
have
the
opportunity
in
a
public-private
partnership
to
take
a
load
off
of
the
city's
resources
to
move
a
project
like
this
forward.
O
This
is
what
infrastructure
looks
like
in
the
21st
century,
the
days
of
putting
all
the
load
on
city
employees.
I
mean
we
already
don't
do
that
as
we've
talked
about
the
city
farms
out
this
stuff
all
the
time.
Of
course,
our
stormwater
department
is
going
to
be
involved
in
reviewing
the
plans
and
lending
their
expertise.
All
of
our
city
departments
are
going
to
be,
but
to
the
extent
we
can
leverage
opportunities
and
efficiencies
through
the
private
sector,
that
is,
that
is
great
stuff.
O
The
low
line
is
the
engine
for
this
tip,
the
sooner
we
get
going,
the
sooner
we
start
developing
this
project,
the
more
capital
we
have
invested
into
the
tif,
a
more
property
assessed
value
property
increases
the
more
money
we
have
to
play
with
for
stormwater,
affordable
housing,
things
of
that
nature.
We've
got
to
get
behind
this
guys
all
these
issues
about
transparency
and
things
like
that.
We
can
solve
all
that
chip's,
not
gonna.
O
Let
you
know
some
some
private
entity
you
know
have
their
way
with
with
with
the
city.
In
terms
of
you
know
the
use
of
money
and
expenditures,
that's
what
that's,
what
we're
gonna
do
with
these
governance
documents
and
these
arrangements
that
we're
going
to
work
out
with
these
folks,
but
guys
this
is
a.
This
is
a
benefit.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
positive
aspect.
O
I
wish
there
was
something
like
this
over
in
west
ashland
for
the
greenway
or
for
the
bikeway
councilman
wearing
it
it's
hard
getting
benches
out
on
the
greenway
and
picnic
tables
and
playgrounds.
I
mean
I
mean
we
don't
have
people.
I
wish
there
were
people
from
the
private
sector
coming
to
the
table
with
millions
of
dollars
for
the
greenway
and
the
bikeway
right.
We
see
what
happens
when
it's
just
up
to
the
city
to
try
to
make
something
happen.
O
We
got
to
make
sure
we
we
take
those
into
account,
but
guys,
let's,
let's
get
like
excited
about
the
positive
aspects
of
this
I
mean
this
is
a
project,
and
I
I
say
this
a
lot
but
we're
fortunate
to
have
it.
This
is
the
kind
of
project
and
investment
that
cities
around
the
country
die.
For
I
mean
we
are
so
lucky
to
have
this
opportunity,
let's
push
forward
and
do
it
in
a
deliberate
smart
way.
It's
an
exciting
opportunity
for
us
all.
Mr.
A
So
I
agree
with
you.
I
agree
with
just
about
everything
that
you've
said
and
I
don't.
I
think
that
everybody
on
council
is
extremely
excited
about
the
low
line.
Okay,
just
for
the
record,
I
am
too,
but
I
think
that
we
we've
got
to
be
very,
very
careful
as
a
councilman
council
person,
I've
been
here,
I've
done
this.
I've
seen
a
project
start
very,
very
low
and
all
of
a
sudden,
okay,
it's
millions
and
millions
and
millions
of
dollars.
We
can
just
look
at
the
september
clark
parkway,
where
we
had
to
find
42
million
dollars.
A
Okay,
so
there's
a
reason
for
our
sensitivity
to
transparency,
because
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
be
involved
in
a
project
and
down
the
line.
Somebody
says
we
need
30
million
dollars
more
to
complete.
It.
That's
happened.
It's
happened
with
the
17
o'clock
parkway
and
I
hate
for
that
to
happen
again.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
agree
with
councilman
appeal:
almost
okay,
we're
almost
there,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
low
line
telling
us
that
our
capital
park
projects
department
is
overworked,
that's
the
family's
right.
That's
for
us
to
solve
that
problem,
not
them
not
as
a
way
to
give
his
dollars
without
proper
documentation,
we're
about
to
vote
on
250
000
right
now
and
I'm
talk,
I'm
telling
you
I'm
going
to
vote
for
this.
I
Not
one
councilman
have
the
documentation
on
what
that's
going
to
be
spending
and
we're
taking
taxpayers
dollars.
I
don't
have
anything
in
this
report
to
say
what
is
that
250
000
going
to
be
spent
on
now?
If
some
council
members
have
that
information-
and
I
don't
and
others
don't
that's
not
the
way
the
city
charleston
should
do
business
when
it
comes
to
raising
millions
me
when
you're
excited
about
when
there's
excitement
in
the
community
about
it.
I
I
That's
the
way
a
community
steps
forward.
For
example,
I
think
we
get
mr
mayor
six
free
uses
of
the
gill
yard
annually.
Why
can't
we
have
a
fundraiser
at
the
gear
yard
for
the
low
line
involving
the
community?
I
mean
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
we
can
do,
but
to
use
the
capital
projects
workload
as
a
reason
to
get
the
private
sector.