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A
B
However,
in
the
chief's
absence,
there's
always
an
incident
commander,
who
is
generally
a
deputy
chief,
but
in
this
incident
that
we're
referring
to
the
chief
was
present,
so
the
that
does
fall
upon
the
chief
now
have,
if
the,
if
the
officer
or
supervisor
on
the
scene
does
act
in
authority
that
outside
of
his
authority
that
his
or
her
authority
without
the
chiefs
granting
that
authority
to
them,
then
that
would
be
a
violation
of
rules
and
policy.
So
that
is
that
is
correct.
C
A
B
Then
that
would
be
an
internal
investigation
which
would
go
into
our
internal
affairs
case
management
system,
and
that
would
also
be
part
of
the
employee's
personnel
records.
If
that's,
if
that
violation
is
sustained
and
also
the
corrective
action
that
goes
along
with
that,
that
would
go
into
their
personnel
records
and
certain
levels
of
of
violations
or
certain
levels
of
corrective
action
can
keep
someone
from
even
competing
in
a
promotional
process.
A
B
A
D
I
thought
that
there
was
a
point
and
somewhere
that,
if
it
was
in
the
public's
interest
based
upon
the
chief
and
the
manager's
authority
that
some
information
could
be
released,
I
don't.
I
just
remember
that
being
a
place,
that
there
were
some
internal
investigations
that
could
be
released
as
a
result
of
the
need
for
the
public
to
be
able
to
have
trust
in
government.
I'd
like
to
have
that
checked
out.
A
Thank
you
mayor.
I
appreciate
that
because
that's
really
what
it
gets
to,
I
still
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
again
just
as
an
example
on
the
june
2nd
incident,
I
had
heard
that
chief
putney
did
not
know.
The
tactic
was
going
to
be
deployed
that
it
had
been
planned,
and
then
I
heard
that
it
was
all
an
accident
of
timing
and
then
we
heard
that
it
wasn't
and
in
fact
the
video
indicates
that
it
had
been
planned
and
I
just
I
just
feel
like
from
a
trust
and
accountability
standpoint.
B
Yeah-
and
I
can't
speak
for
chief
putney,
however,
I
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
it
was.
It's
been
consistent
throughout
that
it
was
an
issue
that
where,
when
the
crowd
was
to
get
back
down
to
the
intersection
of
4th
street
and
college
street
is
when
they
were
supposed
to
deploy
further
riot
control
agents
and
that's
where
they
were
supposed
to
be
dispersed.
B
However,
as
you
saw
in
the
video
which
we've
said
from
pretty
much
day,
one
that
that
the
officers
had
deployed
that
before
they
got
back
to
the
intersection
which
created
a
the
boxed
in
where
they
saw
the
cloud
of
smoke
and
they
they
didn't
know
where
to
go
at
that
point.
So
that's
that's
been
pretty
consistent.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
where
we've
changed
that
or
said
anything
different.
B
A
E
Yeah
and
if
we've
got
on
the
agenda
as
you'll
see
on
item
five
discussion,
around
protests
demonstrations
first
amendment
activities,
things
that
nature
side.
I
do
want
us
to
try
to
at
least
while
we're
talking
about
the
rules
of
conduct
specifically
keep
our
questions
to
the
rules
of
conduct
and
if
we
have
specific
questions
around
the
protest
piece
we're
going
to
get
to
that
later
in
the
agenda.
So,
mr
winston,
I
couldn't
oh
actually,
I've
got.
E
F
E
G
G
There
was
no
consequences
there,
however
sergeant
who
was
who
was
caught
on
camera
with
insensitive
language
was,
he
was
held
accountable
and
I
I
just
I
don't
know
how
rules
of
conduct
or
abuse
of
power
will
will
hold
everyone
accountable
here.
So
I
guess,
if
you
could
just
achieve
elaborate
on
how
abuse
of
power
would
nest
would
apply
to
pretty
much
everyone
involved
in
in
this
scenario,.
B
The
sergeant's
conduct
was,
or
violation
was
conduct
unbecoming,
which
held
the
the
police
department
in
disrepute
and
the
degree
of
harm
with
dealing
with
as
far
as
the
trust
and
with
the
community,
and
all
that
was
something
that
was
significant
and
great.
So
that's
where
his
rule
of
conduct
violation
fail.
B
I
think
when
we
look
at
also
with
abuse
of
power,
I
what
we,
what
we
talk
about
is
do
I
use
my
authority
as
a
police
officer
to
say
if,
if,
if
I
want
to
use
it
to
get
special
privileges-
and
things
like
that,
do
I
abuse
my
power
in
that
sense.
But
when
we
talk
about
say
the
june
2nd
incident
that
is
geared,
we
have
other
rules
of
conduct
that
we
look
at
that
particularly
excessive
use
of
force
would
be,
which
was
far
greater
than
an
abuse
of
power
rule
of
conduct.
F
F
F
Everything
that
we
do
is
about
serving
on
the
public
and
therefore
could
potentially
be
subject
to
public
scrutiny.
Even
the
folks
that
aren't
city
employees,
but
that
are
are
on
these
task
forces
and
doing
on
their
job
in
service
to
us,
is
subject
to
not
being
private
in
those
communications.
So
I
hope
we
will
correct
that
record
because
that
that
that
that
seems
like
a
not
necessarily
the
most
true.
B
Narrative,
yes,
sir,
so
I
will.
I
will
say
that
you
are
absolutely
correct
on
this
storage.
It
I'm
not
saying
it's
impossible.
I
do
work,
I
do
recall
we
did
have
to
make
some
changes
several
years
ago,
when
we
did
start
to
take
on
more
video
that
we
needed
to
enhance
that.
So
so
it
it's
possible.
I
don't
know
what
cost
implications
are
and,
however,
what
I
mean
by
the
privacy.
B
I
do
feel
like
that,
an
officer
if
they
take
a
private
phone
call
if
they,
if
they
have
lunch,
if
they
have
a
private
conversation
with
a
friend
or
something
they
might
run
into,
I
I
do
think
they
should
be
warranted
to
be
able
to
do
that
without
being
recorded.
I
mean
to
have
a
video
recorder
on
for
your
entire
day
at
work.
B
E
So
I've
got
a
quick
question,
I
think,
and
then
ms
johnson
will
be
next
and
again
it
is.
It
is
rules
of
conduct,
I'm
trying
to
hold
myself
to
my
own
standard
here
that
we
stay
on
on
our
topic,
but
and
we
were
sent
video
friday.
That
was
a
video
recording
of
the
presentation
that
deputy
chief
estes
gave
us
where
he
was
clear
that
this
there
was
a
tactic
in
place.
It
was
mis-executed,
I
guess,
from
a
rules
of
conduct
standpoint.
E
E
Now
it
bears
noting
that
since
then,
we
have
said
this
tactic
is
not
something
we
would
want
to
do
again
and
it
it
would
not
be
done
again.
Policies
have
been
changed
subsequent
to
that
incident,
but
if
an
officer
is
deploying
and
allowable
which
this
tactic
was
at
that
time
tactic
that
is
ordered
by
a
superior
officer
which
it
was
at
that
time
and
it
is
mis-executed
in
terms
of
the
timing
of
the
deployment
of
the
device,
the
location
of
the
deployment
of
the
device.
B
Actually,
that's
that's
an
excellent
question,
so
we
look
at
the
several
things
related
to
that.
If,
if
you're,
if
what
you
did,
that
was
in
error,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
talking
about
the
june
2nd
incident
or
anything
else,
the
degree
of
harm
and
and
the
officer's
intention,
if
it
was
told,
absolutely
unintentional-
and
it
was
something
that
say,
the
tactic
was
done-
that
they
thought
they
were
following
the
correct
tactics,
but
they
actually
weren't
and
they
had
a
misunderstanding
of
of
what
was
supposed
to
happen.
B
Then
we
have
ways
of
correcting
that
through
through
training
and
we
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
know
that
evening
there
was
some.
There
was
a
meeting
with
those
officers
that
night
to
make
sure
that
they
knew
what
was
what
they
did
wrong.
So
we
try
to
correct
that
and
we
look
at
different
ways
to
correct
that.
E
H
Thank
you.
I
just
have
two
questions
in
response
to
the
the
video
being
on
like
most
of
the
day,
would
it
be
reasonable
to
require
like
a
certain
number
of
hours,
to
be
recorded
by
the
officer,
maybe
maybe
five
out
of
eight
hours
or
six
out
of
eight
hours,
which
would
allow
time
for
lunch
and
privacy?
Would
that
be
a
reasonable
expectation,
kind
of
a
a
happy
medium?
C
H
B
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry
yeah.
I
think
what
would
be
in
that
aspect.
It
would
be
more
logical
to
say
when
there
are
times
that
you
can
turn
them
off
rather
than
a
specific
time
of
you
know.
For
example,
if
you
are
having
a
private
conversation,
if
you're
eating
lunch,
if
you're
in
the
locker
room
going
to
the
restroom
things
like
that,
those
are
times
that
you
that
are
obviously
that
you
you
as
an
officer
you
would
feel
like
you
would
not
want
to
have
a
camera
that
would
be
running.
H
C
I
I'll
kick
off
chief
and
then
you
can
you
can
take
over
from
there.
I
am
not
an
expert
on
constitutional
law,
but
from
what
I
remember
from
what
I
remember
councilwoman
johnson
there
was,
he
spoke
to
that
distinction
in
regards
to
conduct.
Is
the
action
conduct
is
what's
taking
place
versus
expression?
Is
the
opportunity
to
share
out
one's
views
so
conduct?
That's
unbecoming
again
is
a
is
a
focus
on
an
action,
whereas
the
expression
is
more
so
a
verbal
statement
being
made
once
you
go
into
action,
then
it
becomes
conduct.
B
H
B
C
B
B
You
know:
we've
had
incidents
where
they're
shaking
the
officer's
bike
and
stealing
actually
had
bikes
stolen
from
officers,
and
but
the
act
of
aggression
could
also
be
the
imminent
that
it
could
be
imminent
to
where
someone
is
is
aggressively
approaching
an
officer
or
aggressively
confronting
an
officer
in
in
order
to
create
that
space
or
to
activate
an
arrest,
sometimes
that
pepper
spray
will
be
used
to
do
that,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
where
someone
is
physically
grabbing
or
attacking
an
officer.
It
could
be
just
a
display
of
that.
G
B
Well,
what
would
what
would
apply?
What
did
apply
is
use
of
force,
and
so
the
rule
of
conduct
for
use
of
force
is
what
the
internal
affairs
investigation
consisted
of,
and
it
was
also
what
the
charges
of
those
officers
that
were
that
were
that
activated
the
plan
that
that
evening.
So
when
we
did
the
internal
investigation,
internal
affairs
investigation,
the
first
thing
they
look
at
on
top
of
all
the
evidence
as
well
is
policy
violations
and
that's
what
the
board.
When
the
board
comes
together
and
hears
it,
they
determine
the
policy
violations.
I
Our
representative
for
group
3
is
don
thomas
don
serves
as
the
executive
director
for
the
my
brother's
keeper
charlotte
mecklenburg
organization,
for
those
of
you
on
the
call
that
may
not
be
familiar.
This
is
the
organization
that
was
created
by
the
obama
foundation
relating
to
serving
black
and
brown
boys
here
throughout
the
country,
but
don
represents
our
local,
our
local
organization,
don.
J
Peace
and
blessings
everyone.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
as
we
go
through
kind
of
concerns,
improvement
opportunities,
factors
of
consideration
and
proposed
changes
to
consider
our
concerns.
Proven
opportunities
are
laid
out
with
regards
to
data
demographics,
location,
partnership,
programming
and
community
relations,
so
I'll
run
through
that
first
and
then
we'll
get
over
to
considerations
and
proposals.
J
First
and
foremost,
we
thought
it
was
almost
too
good
to
be
true,
given
some
of
the
outcomes
that
we've
seen
with
the
actions
of
young
people
community,
there
was
a
99
percent
success
rate
with
regards
to
programming,
and
if
you
have
such
high
levels
of
success,
then
there
needs
to
be
kind
of
a
re-evaluation
to
say:
okay,
how
how
are
programs
being
evaluated
and
whom
are
we
measuring
outputs
or
outcomes,
and
then
can
we
take
to
scale?
If
we
do
have
such
high
success?
J
J
We
think
it's
important
for
cmpd
to
partner
with
community
and
or
grassroots
organizations.
We
believe
that
to
be
a
necessity
if
we
are
going
to
improve
outcomes
and
communities,
especially
when
we
started
to
think
about
those
hot
zip
codes
that
we've
heard
several
times
in
some
of
these
presentations.
How
do
we
ensure
that
we
can
build
capacity
in
those
neighborhoods
and,
in
fact,
in
those
zip
codes,
it's
going
to
be
important.
One
of
the
things
that
came
up
was
to
think
about
turning
point
academy.
J
What
type
of
programming
can
we
invest
in
there?
I
believe
that
turning
point
is
kind
of
the
the
middle
of
the
pipeline.
So
if
we
think
about
the
school
the
prison
pipeline,
you
can.
You
can
essentially
say
that
turning
point
is
the
middle
of
that
pipeline.
How
can
we
kind
of
redirect
that
pipeline
to
more
purposeful
and
transformative
outcomes
for
our
young
men
and
women
there?
J
Why
are
successful
programs
like
tar
heel
challenge
academy,
not
a
partner,
as
we
kind
of
did
a
preliminary
view
of
some
of
the
partners?
We
didn't
see.
Successful
organizations
and
programs
like
tar
heel
challenge,
indicated
as
a
partner
with
regards
to
programming.
Are
all
the
programs
free
for
at-risk
young
people?
What
type
of
support
would
it
take
for
that
to
be
true?
J
We
believe
that
if
you're
going
to
have
programming
that
it
should
be
affordable,
if
it
is
a
charge
for
the
young
people
that
we
are
hoping
to
reach
and
then
with
regards
to
community
relations,
we
thought
it
important
for
cmpd
to
work
in
communities
to
show
that
his
youth
programming
cultivates
a
positive
image.
So
essentially,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
more
than
just
symbolic
engagement
but
engagement
that
seeks
to
transform
police
and
community
relations
right.
J
J
J
J
There
are
some
folks
that
are
there
are
some
organizations
that
are
not
your
usual
suspects
that
are
that
are
yielding
transformative
outcomes
in
in
community
how
we
partnering
with
them.
How
are
we
resourcing
these
organizations
and
partnership
with
cmpd
to
ensure
once
again
that
we
are
having
those
desired
outcomes
and
then,
once
we
make
that
determination
right
to
ensure
that
these
organizations
that
have
been
working
well,
that
they
have
a
level
of
autonomy
and
and
and
the
narrative
and
that
program
is
not
kind
of
overtaken
by
cmpd?
J
We
thought
that
was
important.
Programs
need
to
be
affordable
once
again
if
there
is
a
cost
to
these
programs
to
ensure
that
the
young
people
that
we
are
hoping
to
serve
the
ones
that
need
this
type
of
impact
and
engagement
most
intimately
that
they
that
they
can
afford
them.
And
if
not,
there
needs
to
be
some
type
of
granting
framework
put
in
place
to
ensure
that
the
desired
demographic
is
getting
engaged
and
impacted
by
this
work.
J
We
also
considered
thought
it
was
something
to
consider
that
cmbd
can
divest
of
being
the
implementer
and
evaluator
of
youth
programming,
and
there
should
be
a
reinvestment
into
a
community
kind
of
backbone
organization
that
can
kind
of
redirect
funds
to
grassroots
organizations.
Not
just
one
group
was
spread
out
to
multiple
groups
to
have
proven
themselves
effective
in
delivery
of
youth
services
and
programs.
J
C
E
Thank
you,
mr
thomas,
a
question
for
the
manager.
I
think
mr
thomas
highlighted
what
is
always
a
challenge
which
one
of
the
things
that
he
highlighted
is
something
that's
always
a
challenge
for
us,
which
is
that
we
have
more
organizations
in
this
community
doing
good
impactful
work
than
we
have
the
ability
to
support
financially
in
our
budget
oftentimes,
particularly
in
years
in
a
year
like
this
year,
where
we've
had
to
really
kind
of
tighten
the
belt
one
of
the
best
things.
I
think
we
do
as
a
city
is
our
neighborhood
board
retreat.
K
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
a
couple
of
things
yes
and
I'll
start
off
and
then
federica
I'll
hand
it
off
to
you.
That
is
exactly
what
the
jumpstart
grants
were
designed
to
do.
So.
Thank
you,
mayor
pro
tem,
thank
you
mayor
and
even
a
former
member
of
miss
mayfield,
where
the
concept
was.
Why
are
we
always
giving
money
to
the
same
folks
all
the
time
and
for
the
jumpstart
grants
it
was
you
really
didn't
have
to
be
a
501c3?
K
You
really
didn't
have
to
have
your
act
together,
but
if
you
were
doing
something
in
the
community
as
we
went
into
the
fy
20
budget,
we
did
have
this
lens
of
the
jumpstart
grants
and
if
I'm
messing
this
up
fed,
let
me
know
with
this
community
safety
lens
and
then
a
bunch
of
other
things
happen.
Okay,
I
do
want
to
take
one
giant
step
back.
K
I
think
it
was
clear
marie
that
we
didn't
have
the
data
that
way,
but
we
listed
30
plus
programs
that
cmpd
is
doing
in
terms
of
youth,
and
I
will
just
say
whether
that's
the
right
place
or
not.
I
was
amazed
when
I
came
here
almost
four
years
ago
that
cmpd
was
doing
so
much
with
youth,
as
opposed
to
some
of
the
other
departments
of
the
city,
not
taking
a
knock
on
other
departments.
You
start
to
think
the
county,
the
school
system,
but
I
think
cmpd
has
done
a
great
job.
K
We
did
last
fall
with
rebecca
hefner.
To
your
point,
mr
thomas,
we
tried
to
make
sure
that
these
programs,
to
what
extent
are
the
evidence
based
or
as
federica,
has
taught
me
informed
based.
I
get
it
evidence
informed
okay,
because
he
is
correct.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
outcomes
are
data-driven.
So
a
long-winded
way
of
saying
that
I
agree
with
you.
We
have
between
jump-start
grants
and
the
neighborhood
board,
retreat
grants
or
funds.
K
I
I
yeah
mr
manager,
I
believe
you
did.
I
will
add
a
piece,
but
I
am
smart
enough
to
defer
to
the
brilliant
among
us
and
lacey
williams
is
on
the
call
and
lacey
manages
our
jumpstart
program,
and
so
the
start
is
just
that.
It
is
a
jump
start
for
a
local
organization.
It
offers
an
opportunity
to
get
a
leg
up,
understand,
understand
the
non-profit,
landscape,
the
environment,
get
connected
to
resources
and
services
continually
throughout
that
process.
I
I
think,
having
worked
very
closely
with
don
thomas
and
group
number
three,
given
that
I'm
the
facilitator
for
this
group,
I
would
say
that
they
are
asking
for
a
deeper
connection
with
cmpd
and
its
programming
and
how,
beyond
just
the
jump,
start
initiative,
how
can
they
work
in
tandem
with
that
programming?
How
can
community
organizations
that
are
proved
successful?
Do
that?
So
with
that
said,
I'll
defer
to
lacey
williams
to
clean
up
whatever
I
just
made
in.
E
G
Yes,
I
do
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
thomas,
a
great
presentation,
so
I
was
taking
notes
of
couple
of
items
that
mr
thomas
had
included
in
his
presentation
about
us
looking
at
before.
Any
funding
goes
out.
Let's
have
set
objectives
as
to
what
we
want
to
accomplish,
and
metrics
and
performance
metrics,
specifically
for
each
program
before
the
funding
goes
out.
So
I
would
like
us
to
take
an
action
on
that.
G
G
So
I
would
also
like
us
to
take
an
action.
The
current
budget
and
governance
committee
is
reviewing
the
budget.
However,
it
is
not
it's
not
an
external
audit
and
it's
also
not
in
any
way
sort
of
a
six
sigma
analysis
of
our
existing
budget,
so
we
do
need
to
get
that
done.
So
I
would
like
us
to
take
an
action
on
both
of
those
action
items
today.
G
C
K
J
E
So,
mr
thomas,
I
think
the
manager's
question
to
clarify
your
recommendation
of
ms
asmara's
is:
would
the
proposal
be
to
turn?
I
mean
to
basically
turn
off
the
spigot
today
to
the
organizations
that
are
receiving
money
in
this
fiscal
year's
budget,
or
would
it
be
to
ensure
that
we
have
done
what
you've
recommended
before
the
next
round
of
funding
would
be
approved
and
allocated.
J
So
for
me,
I
think
that
you
continue
the
funding,
as
is,
but
there
needs
to
be
a
robust
intentionality
in
fact
that
we
that
we
think
through
what
that
auditing
process
looks
like,
as
we
think
about
new
funding
coming
in.
So
as
new
resources
are
becoming
available
to
community,
we
need
to
ensure
that
we
have
established
objectives.
We
have.
We
have
established
desired
outcomes
so
on
and
so
forth
to
ensure
that
that
funding
will
deal
with
the
impact
and
outcomes.
You
hope.
E
B
Chief,
yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
you
know,
and
I
I
want
to
just
make
sure
that
we
all
on
the
same
page
here
that
you
know
I've
said
all
along
if
there
are
other
other
places
that
things
can
be
done
better.
I
want
to
caution,
however,
that
a
lot
of
these
programs
that
we
have
with
particularly
with
youth,
are
things
that
cmpd
created
and
sought
funding
outside
of
our
budget.
B
For
so
basically,
it's
not
a
matter
of
saying
you
take
this
program
and
move
it
somewhere
else,
because
they're
criminal
justice
grants
that
are
specifically
for
law
enforcement,
and
if
we
were
to
move
them,
then
you
would
lose
any
funding
that
we
use
for
that
as
well.
So
we
we
use
very
little
very
little
operating
budget
from
cmpd
or
the
city
that
deals
with
these
programs
that
we're
talking
about.
G
J
I
would
also
recommend
that,
as
we
are
all
committed
to
outcomes,
transformative
outcomes
for
our
young
people
and
community
that
that
auditing
process,
however
it
is
developed,
should
also
be
applicable
to
no
matter
where
the
funding
is
coming
from,
because
this
is
the
type
of
young
person
that
we
want
to
have
in
our
community.
This
is
the
type
of
engagement
that
we
want
to
happen
in
our
community,
so
whoever
is
engaging
charlotte
young
people
right,
no
matter
where
the
funding
source
comes
from.
J
E
Yeah,
I
think
it
would
be
critical
for
us
to
understand
which
of
the
dollars
are
more
flexible
for
us
to
potentially
redeploy
to
another
program
and
which
ones
are
are
either
they're
where
they
are
and
if
we
took
them
from
where
they
are,
the
funds
would
dry
up.
I
know
lisa
williams
is
on
the
call
with
us
now
and
I
don't
know
how
much
of
the
entire
conversation
lacey
was
privy
to,
but
will
offer
her
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
if,
if
she
chooses
to.
L
L
E
D
Well,
it
was,
it
was
not
a
question.
I
I
think
that
this
is
a
great
conversation,
because
it's
the
healthy
tension
between
meeting
people
where
they
are
and
providing
the
service
and
creating
a
vision
as
don
don
said
about
what
we
want
to
be
overall,
and
how
do
we
define
that
and
to
acknowledge
programs
that
are
funded
this
way?
I
think
the
chief
covered
the
ownership
issue.
D
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
kovit
has
done.
It's
really.
We
recognize
this
as
a
health
crisis,
but
also
a
small
business
crisis
very
early
on,
and
I
know
there
are
organizations
that
still
haven't
received
any
assistance
in
the
community
because
of
certain
benchmarks.
Maybe
they
didn't
meet
the
you
know:
thirty
thousand
dollar
income
or
whatever
it
was,
but
we
also
know
the
collaborative
efforts
from
the
community
help
sustain
the
community.
I
know
organizations
like
like
charles
robinson.
H
They
were
feeding
thousands
without
any
public
funding,
so
I
I
see
an
opportunity
for
the
for
the
city
to
really
support
the
small
grassroots
organizations,
maybe
some
type
of
small
business,
incubator
or
small
business
hub
and
allow
those
organizations
to
to
work
in
with
synergy
in
helping
each
other.
If
there's
any
space
we
have
in
in
the
corridors
I'd
like
to
offer
district
4,
if
there
is
one
but
a
place
for
organizations
to
get
together
or
to
have
a
space,
that's
inexpensive.
That's
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
notice.
H
When
I
move
here,
there's
not
a
lot
of
space.
Even
the
libraries
don't
offer
free
space
for
reading
for
meetings
and
everything,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
an
option,
but
I
I
see
that
a
way
as
a
way
that
the
city
could
support
organizations
and
and
and
leverage
more
organizations
and
leverage
more
assistance.
That
way
when
it's
time
to
apply
for
funding
more
organizations
would
be
eligible.
H
So
I
just
see
that
as
a
larger
or
broader
way
to
support
small
businesses,
some
type
of
incubator
or
or
business
hub,
with
free
space
or
or
something
like
that
for
for
these
startup
organizations.
So
they
can
help
one
another,
because
we
have
knowledge
they
they.
They
really
held
the
community
together,
and
we
saw
that
in
in
the
beginning
of
the
covert
crisis.
K
Thank
you
so
councilmember
johnson
I'd
like
to
respond
to
that.
I
totally
agree
with
you.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
there
are
a
number
of
these
organizations
that
have
reached
out
to
me
and
have
said
something
very
similar
to
what
you're
seeing
is
there
an
opportunity
for
space
and,
for
instance,
we
don't
know
what
may
happen
with
you
know
the
ymcas
that
are
in
our
corridors
of
opportunity.
K
Are
there
some
opportunities
there
for
us
to
partner?
We
still
have
a
little
bit
of
capacity,
that's
related
to
the
cares
funds
which
we
have
to
have
out
the
door
by
december
31st.
So
I
appreciate
you
putting
that
on
the
table
because
it
is
reflected
in
the
community.
They
would
like
to
have
this
synergy
of
being
together
in
some
spaces.
E
F
K
I'll
I'll
take
the
first
step.
I
think
I'm
right
with
this.
I
believe.
Last
year,
the
last
fiscal
year
there
was
a
half
a
million
allocated
and
a
portion
of
that
has
been
used
for
the
community,
the
fellowship
fellowship,
there's
a
half,
a
million
that's
allocated
in
the
current
fiscal
year
budget
for
the
jumpstart
grants.
We
had
talked
a
little
bit
earlier
that
maybe
some
of
that
would
have
to
be
used
for
cure
violence.
K
K
I
F
B
F
Well,
for
this
conversation,
would
it
be
safe
to
say
because,
as
we've
talked
about
this
290
million
dollars,
one
of
the
things
that
is
often
pointed
out
most
of
the
costs
come
from
labor
and
programs.
So
would
it
be
fair
to
estimate
that
programs
budget
is
in
the
ranges
of
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
per
year?.
B
B
D
D
B
And
we
can
get
in
some
of
that
also
just
just
to
throw
it
out
there
as
well.
Some
of
the
like
the
summer
programs
they're
run
by
our
a
lot
of
those
are
run
by
our
sros,
which
they're
reallocated
when
school
is
out
and
they
can
run
those
programs
as
well.
So
we
have
to
we
kind
of
move
some
personnel
around
to
help
with
that,
and
but
we
do
have
a
community
services
division
that
that
coordinates
all
this.
B
F
The
answer
this
is
the
first
time
that
I've
ever
heard
from
cnpd
that
there
is
an
insignificant
portion
of
the
budget
that
goes
towards
programming,
because
that
is
always
the
the
kind
of
go-to
line
when
this
290
million
dollars
comes
up
that
there's
a
significant
portion
of
it.
That
goes
to
programming
in
the
community.
So
where,
where?
F
B
I
I
think,
if
we,
if
we
look
back
at
a
previous,
I'm
not
sure
which
meeting
I
I've
stated
the
same
thing
before
is
that
we,
when
we
were
talking
about
taking
funds
and
and
moving
them.
My
comment
a
few
meetings
ago
was
that
there's
this
there's
this
perception
that
we
have
an
exorbitant
amount
of
funds
that
goes
to
these
programs,
and
I
I
mentioned
it,
then
that
these
funds
are
done.
F
So,
are
we
saying
that
all
we
need
to?
I
think
the
mayor
has
corrected
this
this
this
the
answer
to
this
question,
but
are
you
saying
that
all
we
need
to
figure
out
to
divest
is
600
000
in
a
budget
of
290
million
dollars
to
divest
funding
from
cmpd's
budget
to
another
entity
that
might
be
able
to
facilitate
these
types
of
programs,
or
would
it
take
more
money
than
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
do
that.
D
K
So,
chief
and
mr
winston,
so
I
think
what
I
know
what
we
have
to
do
is
get
a
breakdown
of
the
dollars
associated
with
these
programs
and
the
funding
source
because,
like
with
the
chief
has
mentioned
earlier
and
the
mayor,
if
there's
a
grant,
a
federal
grant,
that's
coming
to
cmpd
for
a
specific
purpose,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
just
move
that
over
to
another
entity.
I
do
believe
this
about
that
as
well.
I
do
believe,
there's
a
pathway
forward
with
the
jumpstart
grants.
K
As
federico
said
earlier,
we
started
50,
000
they've
been
extremely
successful
and
maybe
there's
a
thought
process.
As
we
go
into
the
2022
fy
2022
budget,
did
we
expand
that?
Do
we
use
the
data
collection?
Do
we
do
the
analysis
that
ms
edmure
has
said
and
try
to
come
out
with
building
a
better
mouse
trap
than
what
we
have
now.
E
B
Make
sense,
yes,
it
does
yeah,
for
if
I
can
answer
that,
I
I
hope
it
is
not
reflective
in
our
budget
and
it's
also
it
now
a
lot
of
times.
We
will
receive
these
grants
and
we
get
council
approval
to
be
able
to
accept
those
grants
and
but
it's
not
included
in
the
290,
that
we
have
budgeted
for
operations.
Okay.
So
it's.
E
O
So
sorry,
mr
eggleston,
just
to
clarify
there
are
some
grants
that
we
typically
get
year
to
year
and
those
those
are
budgeted
but
they're
not
in
the
operating
budget
they're
in
the
general
grants
budget.
So
we
have
a
pot.
We
assume
we're
going
to
still
get
this
grant
and
we're
hoping
to
get
it,
but
it's
not
in
their
holistic
budget.
But
we
do
have
a
pot
for
grants
that
we're
anticipating
to
get.
F
We
please
just
give
plain
cost
out
all
of
the
costs.
I
don't
care,
whether
they're
from
grants,
time
of
salary
of
the
officers
buying,
napkins
and
paper
plates,
whatever
we
spend
money
on,
please
give
that
round
number
to
us-
and
I
do
want
to
make
a
comment
about
the
source
of
experience
we
have.
I
would
beg
the
same
communities,
committee
staff
and
everybody
that
is
watching
and
listening
to
remember
that
we
are
dealing
and
we
are
trying
to
deal
with
systemic
change.
F
Yes,
we
can
only
control
our
point
of
the
system
when
we're
talking
about
the
legal
justice
system.
It
is
cnpd,
but
people
are
saying
we
are
saying
is
that,
yes,
there
is
a
problem
with
the
source
of
funding
right,
there's
a
problem
in
america.
You
know
when
more
funding
can
come
from
the
department
of
justice
to
interact
with
our
youth
than
say
the
department
of
education.
F
So
I
think
what
is
being
proposed
out
there
is
that
we
need
to
divest
from
these
sources,
and
it
is
then
our
job
to
go
to
dc
with
our
intergovernmental
committee
and
and
and
to
particularly
our
congress
members
and
our
senators
to
say
that
we
need
different
sources
of
funding.
That
is
congress's
job
is
to
allocate
funding
sources.
So
we
say
we
can't
accept
stuff
from
the
department
of
justice
this
for
for
many
different
reasons.
So
it's
in
that
systemic
change.
F
We
have
to
be
willing
if
we
think
that
these
costs,
however
much
we
spend
on
it,
are
important
for
our
city.
We
do
have
to
find
different
sources,
and-
and
the
point
of
why
we
got
here-
is
because
of
this
comfort
and
convenience,
because
the
department
of
justice
can
float
some
some
of
these
dollars
out
here
and
and
and
and
and
we'll
take
it
because
we
it's
easy
to
do
that.
So
I
would.
I
would
hope
that
my
colleagues
will
will
not
just
take
well.
M
M
M
E
N
Yes,
so
for
our
budget
total,
including
personnel
buildings
and
everything
else,
it's
2.2
million
for
our
programming,
a
lot
of
that
is
grant
funded.
So,
for
example,
if
you
look
on
page
13,
I
believe,
if
y'all's
handout,
you
look
at
youth
diversion
program
and
it
has
the
budget
broken
down
on
what
is
grant
and
what
is
cnpd
funded.
N
And
I
also
think
to
your
point:
I'm
not
sure
if
anybody
had
the
opportunity
to
watch
the
envision
graduation,
but
talking
about
the
youth
interaction
with
the
police
and
listening
to
them
from
their
own
mouths.
Talking
about
how
they
went
there
thinking
it
was
going
to
be
boring
that
they
wouldn't
like
it,
because
the
police
was
involved,
total
change
of
heart.
N
E
E
The
council
expects,
while
we
appreciate-
what's
what's
obviously
here
in
front
of
us-
expects
a
more
robust
accounting
for
and
review
of,
these
programs,
the
funding
sources
prior
to
a
discussion
of
future
allocations
for
these
types
of
programs,
both
internal
and
external,
and
if
anybody
has
any
views
that
are
counter
to
that,
I
have
not
heard
them
yet,
but
I'll
offer
one
last
opportunity
to
voice
them
before
staff
takes
that
away
as
their
directive-
and
I
see
all
of
a
sudden
I
do
have.
I
do
have.
F
A
question
yes,
sir,
was
was
to
be
general
to
that
and
for
the
manager,
both
the
the
the
two
presentations
have
presented
some
next
steps
that
we
can
take.
So
what
do
we
need
to
do
if
anything,
to
get
staff
to
go
further
into
these
considerations,
so
they
are
available
for
council
to
consider
for
an
up
and
down
vote
or
direction.
K
Thank
you,
mr
winston
councilmember
winston.
So
that's
what
we
will
do,
so
we
have
feedback
from
the
community
input
group
some
recommendations,
we'll
flush.
Those
out
come
back
to
you
at
the
next
meeting.
I
keep
using
the
wallington
method.
We
have
something
in
front
of
us.
We
come
back
with
information,
recommendations,
support
documentation
and
we're
two
weeks
away
for
that.
K
G
K
G
E
G
Thank
you
so
yeah.
This
is
going
to
be
the
effectiveness
of
our
dollars.
Also,
we
need
to
include
the
man
hours
versus
the
calls
to
service,
so
this
is
really
focuses
on
what
we
do
in
our
safety
committee.
So
I
would
like
us
to
that's
why
I'm
making
a
motion
here
in
this
committee
for
us
to
move
forward
because
it
it
does
have
an
impact
on
overall
public
safety.
D
D
D
We
were
looking
at
the
workload
for
every
committee
and,
as
you
know,
you've
got
still
a
number
of
policies
to
go
through
and
a
number
of
the
other
efforts,
and
we
were
trying
to
give
this
to
on
the
budget
committee
and,
while
I'm
not
sure
I
have
not
talked
with
mr
driggs
recently
about
it,
but
it
was
to
say
first,
let's
look
at
where
the
numbers
are
all
of
that
and
then
pull
out
those
that
would
need
additional
work.
So
it
was
referred
to
the
budget
committee
and
they've
accepted
that
responsibility.
E
P
Mr
chairman,
we
got
a
breakdown
of
how
the
money
that
is
budgeted
for
cmpd
is
allocated
and
there
were
buckets,
so
they
don't
actually
organize
their
internal
budgets
in
a
way
that
lends
itself
to
the
kind
of
isolation
that
we're
talking
about
here
so
effectively.
What
we
have
now
is
an
overview
of
how
the
money
is
being
spent
patrol
officers,
special
activities
like
detectives
things
like
that,
and
that
was
going
to
be
a
basis
for
a
further
drill
down
on
a
kind
of
as
needed
basis.
P
P
M
P
000
for
it
by
the
police
foundation-
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
answer
it
on
questions
that
are
being
asked
here
solely
with
reference
to
numbers.
So,
as
we've
seen
today,
there's
there's
relatively
little
money
actually
in
the
cmpd
budget
that
relates
to
these
programs
and
the
accountability
for
those
programs
is
actually
due
to
the
funders.
So
we
may
look
at
them
and
decide
that
the
funders
are
providing
money
for
programs
that
are
unproductive
and
we
may
use
our
government
relationships
to
kind
of
signal
that
to
the
sources
of
those
funds.
P
P
So
if
the
council
or
this
committee,
your
committee
wants
to
submit
any
particular
requests
to
budget
and
effectiveness
for
more
detail.
We're
happy
to
entertain
that.
But
I'm
just
saying
we
are
not
going
to
get
out
a
telephone
book
size
of
internal
ledger
accounts
and
try
to
go
through
every
single
payroll
payment.
Every
single
tire
that's
replaced
on
a
police
car
and
decide
whether
we
think
that's
good
use
of
money.
E
M
E
D
E
G
G
E
G
F
Q
Yeah-
and
so
I
I'm
a
little
confused
with
discussion-
we've
been
having
about
this
this
audit,
I
thought
it
was
clearly
in
the
governor's
effective
committee.
There
was
a
process
in
place
that
they
were
looking
at.
We
heard
from
the
chair,
I
kind
of
agree
with
the
mayor.
I
don't
we
don't
need
both
items
and
two
separate
committees.
Q
I
just
want
us
to
caution
us,
as
our
goal
is
to
get
let
the
budget
let
the
good
governance
affect
the
committee,
do
their
work
first
and
then,
if
we
not
satisfied,
maybe
we
look
at
this
again.
I
I'm
very
confused
that
we're
going
to
have
this
item
in
two
committees,
so
I
I
wish
we
could.
Let's
make
sure
we
can
collaborate,
work
together
as
opposed
to
kind
of
sending
this
to
two
different
committees
and
it
can
get
very
confusing.
G
So,
mr
mitchell,
if
I
may
so
budget
committee
chair,
mr
drake
had
just
elaborated
on
what
we
are
doing
in
the
budget
committee.
There
is
no
way
we
are
going
to
go
by
line
by
line
when
it
comes
to
200
million
dollar
budget.
So
we
are
focusing
on
certain
topics:
it's
not
an
overall
audit.
What
I'm
asking
for
is
over
overall
audit
to
see
if
you're
meeting
our
goals
and,
if
you're,
using
the
taxpayer
taxpayers
dollars
effectively.
C
E
P
I
I
just
wanted
to
comment
for
one.
The
agenda
item
we're
talking
about
is
the
review
of
youth
programming.
I
would
submit
that
the
motion
is
out
of
order
for
openers,
and
I
I
think
that,
in
order
for
council
to
move
on
a
motion
like
that,
we
need
a
lot
more
clarity
on
what
it
actually
means.
An
external
audit
I
mean
who
are
we
hiring?
What
is
the
scope
of
their
work?
What
are
we
really
talking
about?
P
This
is
a
big
deal,
so
I
I
hope
that
the
committee
will
not
take
lightly
this
motion
and
and
think
that
they
can
act
on
it
and
not
be
ready
to
incur
a
fairly
substantial
expense,
a
work
process.
That's
going
to
extend
well
beyond
the
horizon
of
our
current
review,
and
I
just
personally
question
the
value
of
it.
I
think
we
do
have
the
benefit
of
the
foundation
report.
We
have
an
internal
audit
function
that
could
be
commissioned
to
review
things.
P
F
F
I
think
the
understanding
is
that
this
could
take
a
long
time,
for
instance
the
ferguson.
When
ferguson
did
this
exercise,
it
took
24
months
to
complete.
So
I
think
there
is
knowledge
that
this
will
take
a
long
time
and
there
is-
and
what
has
come
out
of,
for
instance,
in
purchasing,
has
been
of
great
value.
So
I
think
there
would
be
great
value
in
this,
and-
and
so
I
think,
while
the
the
opinions
and
and
concerns
of
my
colleagues
are
certainly
valid,
that
should
not
preclude
a
vote.
F
F
As
well
as
I'm
sorry,
I
think
it
is
okay,
if
you
have
one
top
the
same
topic
in
multiple
committees.
The
point
of
having
separate
committees
is
that
those
committees
have
different
charges
and
those
committees
are
looking
at
the
same
item
under
different
lenses.
So
if
safe
communities
does
feel
that
this
needs
to
happen,
and
they
want
to
look
at
it
through
the
lens
of
the
safe
commute
committee
lens,
I
think
that
is
again
appropriate
and
different
than
the
budget
and
effectiveness
committee's
lens
that
they
should
be
putting
on
it.
E
So
for
us
to
take
the
amount
of
time
we're
taking
to
try
to
understand
the
motion,
whether
it's
redundant
with
the
referral
that's
already
been
made
to
another
committee-
is
time
probably
better
spent
before
the
committee
meeting
than
at
the
committee
meeting.
So
with
that
said,
I
will
do
a
roll
call
vote
of
our
committee
members
and
I
think.
M
E
M
But
listen,
I
I
I
get
what
we're
trying
to
go
to,
but
squirrelly
in
the
the
committee
of
the
budget
and
effectiveness
committee.
That's
where
it
properly
should
sit.
It's
dealing
with
the
budget
of
the
police
department.
You've
already
started
the
initial
evaluation
of
the
budget,
there's
some
room
for
us
to
drill
down
to
do
more,
but
to
have
the
same
topic
and
basically
it's
the
same
topic
and
two
different
committee
is
ineffective
and
inefficient
and
a
waste
of
staff
time,
and
certainly
the
members,
the
council
time
I
believe
as
well.
M
And
secondly,
I
don't
want
the
public
safety
committee
studying
this
using
mr
winston's
words
for
24
months,
we
got
80
murders
on
the
street.
We
got
five
hot
spots
throughout
the
city
we
got
cars
still
being
broken
into.
We
got
stoked
people
still
being
domestically
abused
by
their
spouses.
We
have
crime
all
over
this
city,
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
our
workload
is
balanced
and
fair,
and
we
cannot
spend
all
our
time
evaluating
in
the
public
safety
committee
a
budget
when
there's
so
many
other
topics
that
this
committee
should
be
dealing
with.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
There
are
two
terms
we
said
earlier
during
the
meeting.
We
talked
about
transparency
and
public
trust
and
also
the
term
message
that
people
are
trying
to
deliver.
We've
heard
from
our
public.
We
have
a
whole
committee
to
look
at
the
policies
of
the
police
department.
We
know
it's
40
percent
of
our
budget.
I
think
as
mayor's
motion,
it's
not
just
to
look
at
the
dollars
just
to
look
at
the
process,
and
I
think
that
this
committee
who's
looking
at
systemic
changes.
H
I
don't
see
anywhere
else
that
it
that
it
would
fit.
I
mean
your
your
budget
is
the
policy
overall
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
an
external
audit,
how
does
that
take
away
from
our
staff
time
or
our
or
our
committee's
time?
So
I
just
see
this.
I
mean
again,
it's
too.
We
know
how
much
of
our
city
budget
that
the
police
force
is
we're
simply
asking
for
efficiency
and
accountability.
I
I
don't
see
this
as
I
don't
see
it
as
negative,
asking
questions
of
the
police
or
any
any
of
the
city
we.
H
P
M
E
All
right
so
we'll
we'll
move
to
the
vote.
I
think
I
do
think
that
the
budget
work
is
being
done
in
the
budget
committee.
I
think
there
is
a
valid
point
to
the
need
to
evaluate
effectiveness,
but
I
also
think
that's
what
we're
doing
in
this
committee.
Right
now
I
mean
we
are
theoretically
right
now
talking
about
a
review
of
youth
programs.
E
That
is
an
evaluation
of
the
effectiveness
of
a
portion
of
the
police
department,
and
so
I
think
we
are
methodically
in
this
committee
doing
that
review
of
effectiveness
topic
by
topic
right
now,
we're
supposed
to
be
talking
about
youth
programming
so
and
next
we'll
spend
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
time
continuing
to
talk
about
protests
and
demonstrations.
So
I
I
think
we
are
doing
that,
but
to
to
be
able
to
move
forward
with
the
agenda
and
get
to
protest
and
demonstration.
C
E
G
C
E
And
for
the
reasons
stated
by
mr
graham,
I
I'm
a
no
as
well.
I
think
that
this
work
is
being
done.
It
has
been
referred
if
we
want
to
expand
the
referral
to
the
budget
committee,
then
so
be
it,
and
we've
got
a
work
plan
that
this
entire
committee
adopted
as
far
as
what
we
were
going
to
do
of
our
review
of
all
the
different
components
of
cmpd
and
I'm
committed
to
continuing
forward
with
the
plan
that
we
all
agreed
on
the
beginning
of
this.
B
R
Good
afternoon
jessica
battle
from
the
police
attorney's
office,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
protest
and
first
amendment,
some
of
what
I
say
will
kind
of
echo
off
of
mr
graham's
recollection
of
the
first
amendment
protest.
I
mean
first
amendment
presentation
he
saw.
But
of
course
please
stop
me
with
any
questions
that
you
all
may
have
in
the
meantime,
and
so
we
can
skip
to
our
next
slide
please.
R
When
we
talk
about
breaking
down
the
first
amendment,
it
guarantees
the
right
to
speak
free
speech
and
the
right
to
peaceably
or
peacefully
assemble,
as
some
folks
sometimes
say.
That
means
that
there
is
no
right
to
participate
in
an
unlawful
assembly.
Once
an
assembly
becomes
unlawful
by
violation
of
any
state
or
federal
law.
Law
enforcement
can
take
necessary
action
to
arrest,
individuals,
disperse
that
event
etc,
and
we'll
dig
more
into
that.
Generally
speaking,
the
government
cannot
infringe
upon
a
person's
first
amendment
rights.
R
However,
we
can
institute
what
we
would
call
some
time
place
and
manner
restrictions.
When
we
get
into
those
restrictions,
they
must
be
content
neutral.
They
must
serve
a
significant
government
interest
and
then
we
must
also
leave
some
alternate
channels
for
communications
as
needed.
If
we
do
need
to
place
any
restrictions
in
place
next
side,
content
neutral
means
that
any
government
restrictions
cannot
be
based
on
what
the
person
or
what
the
group
is
saying.
R
When
we
talk
about
that,
for
example,
if
you
go
out
to
la
trobe
and
we
have
abortion
clinics
and
we
have
some
people
who
are
pro-abortion
or
pro-life
or
pro-life
or
pro-choice.
Excuse
me
if
we
were
to
constitute
or
institute
any
sort
of
restrictions
in
that
area,
we
could
not
distinguish
between
one
group
or
the
other.
We
cannot
look
at
what
they
are
saying.
We
would
have
to
look
at
what
they
are
doing,
so
not
the
words
on
the
signs,
not
the
words
through
the
microphone,
but
the
actual
conduct
that
they
are
participating
in.
R
That
leads
us
to
kind
of
talk
about
speech
versus
conduct
because,
as
it
was
discussed
earlier,
some
speech
can
be
expressive
conduct,
but
at
the
same
time
you
have
to
make
sure
that
we
are
truly
looking
at
whether
something
is
expressive
conduct
whether
it
turns
into
an
assault.
So
previously,
I
think
it
came
up
an
incident
with
some
of
some
bikes
at
one
of
the
recent
protest
events
and
talk
about
officers
response
to
that
again,
we
have
to
look
at,
although
the
person
might
be
expressing
themselves
might
be
participating
in
expressive
conduct.
R
We
have
to
be
able
to
look
for
facts
that
allow
us
to
draw
the
line
when
that
conduct
becomes
not
expressive
conduct,
but
illegal
conduct
like
an
assault,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
that.
For
an
assault
we
don't
have
to
have
always
have
contact
or
a
battery
that
occurs,
an
assault
can
occur
when
someone
has
the
imminent
fear
of
bodily
harm
or
a
battery
that
occurs,
and
that
would
mean
when
you
talk
about
officers.
Some
people
might
ask
when
you're
looking
at
expressive,
conduct
versus
a
potential
assault.
R
R
So
we
don't
literally
mean
that
the
officers
are
afraid
of
that
particular
person,
but
you
have
the
fear
of
an
unwanted
contact
with
your
body
or
something
that
might
be
closely
connected
to
your
body
like
a
bike
or
any
other
equipment
an
officer
might
have.
So
when
we
look
at
expressive,
conduct
and
speech
versus
when
that
becomes
an
assault.
We
have
to
look
at
that
in
a
content
neutral
way
and
again,
pay
close
attention
to
what
the
demonstrators
are
doing.
R
These
restrictions
would
have
to
apply
the
same
to
all
people
or
groups
in
a
protest
whether
we
have
protesters
encounter
protesters
several
different
groups,
all
at
once,
that
might
be
going
back
and
forth
with
with
each
other
or
might
be
separately
speaking.
All
of
those
restrictions
would
have
to
apply
the
same
to
the
group,
no
matter
the
particular
conduct
or
excuse
me
particular
content.
R
The
next
thing
we
look
at
is
a
significant
government
interest.
What
that
means
that
any
restriction
the
government
is
going
to
put
in
place
must
be
narrowly
tailored.
We
can't
have
general
overarching
rules
that
say
no
speech
anywhere
no
time
it
has
to
be
narrowly
tailored
to
support
a
significant
government
interest,
and
we
must
do
it
in
the
least
restrictive
means
possible
again.
R
That
means
we
can't
just
have
blanket
restrictions
that
cover
any
and
all
speech
any
time
of
day
in
any
location
of
the
city,
but
we
must
narrowly
tail
it
to
fit
whatever
government
interest.
That
might
be
a
public
safety
interest
in
protecting
the
general
public
or
protecting
property,
those
sorts
of
things,
but
we
have
to
narrowly
tailor
those
restrictions
to
meet
those
needs.
R
After
we
look
at
it
being
content
neutral
and
serving
that
significant
government
interest,
we
have
to
make
sure
we
leave
some
alternate
channels
of
communications,
and
sometimes
that
looks
like
a
buffer
zone
similar
to
the
democratic
national
convention
in
2012,
where
we
had
a
sort
of
free
speech
zone
over
further
away
from
the
fenced
areas.
Because,
although
we
can't
ban
all
speech,
we
can
leave
alternative,
so
we
can
have
those
zones.
Similarly,
there
are
buffer
zones
around
medical
clinics,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
how.
R
Next
slide,
please
thank
you.
So
some
examples
of
that
we
have
in
charlotte
in
our
ordinances
are
limits
on
noise
levels.
We
also
have
amplified
sound
permits
that
people
can
apply
for
and
be
able
to
use
amplify
sound
devices,
speakers
and
microphones.
We
also
have
restrictions
on
time
of
day
when
we
talk
about
noise
levels.
At
night,
our
ordinances
say
that
noise
levels
have
to
be
quieter
than
during
the
day,
and
then
we
can
place
some
restrictions
on
government
signing
or
signage
that
might
be
placed
on
government
property.
Obviously
that's
for
security
and
safety
purposes.
R
When
we
have
items
being
brought
into
government
property,
we
can
regulate
that
and
then
additionally,
we
have
parade
permit
processes
that
allow
people
to
set
up
parade
routes
and
be
in
the
streets
to
march,
in
whichever
direction
they
have
put
on
that
permit.
This
is
a
non-exhaustive,
exhaustive
list.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
give
you
some
examples
of
time
place
and
mana
restrictions
that
we
already
have
in
charlotte,
so
you
kind
of
get
a
tangible
feel
of
what
that
looks
like,
as
I'm
speaking
on
it
next
slide.
R
Now
we're
going
to
talk
more
about
first
amendment,
unlawful
assemblies
and
police
and
how
that
all
kind
of
comes
together
at
one
time
our
cnp
officers
have
a
sworn
duty
to
uphold
the
constitution,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
times
when
there
is
protest,
protest
activity
and
if
any
law
enforcement
action
has
to
take
place.
The
question
becomes,
you
know,
are
we
thinking
about
the
first
amendment
or
any
other
amendments
that
are
applicable?
And
certainly
we
are
the
first
thing
to
remember
during
a
first
amendment.
R
Activity
is
that
cpd's
first
role
is
to
keep
the
peace,
we're
not
necessarily
there
to
do
any
sort
of
enforcement
action,
but
to
merely
sometimes
stand
by
and
observe.
We
might
stand
by
closer
and
observe
from
a
closer
distance
or
farther
distance,
given
the
circumstances
and
maybe
any
intelligence,
or
that
we
might
have
based
on
potential
happenings
in
the
group.
But
we're
going
to
stand
by
and
observe
those
things.
R
Officers
are
also
permitted
to
walk
with
moving
assemblies,
whether
it's
walking
truly
within
the
group,
or
whether
it's
kind
of
having
a
distance
behind
and
walking
just
to
keep
up
with
that
group
and
be
close
by.
If
any
enforcement
action
does
need
to
occur,
we
can
also
use
vehicles
or
bicycles
to
control
traffic
flow,
as
you've
seen,
we
might
block
off
intersections
with
lines
of
bicycles,
and
that
could
be
done
for
any
number
of
reasons.
R
We
often
do
that
for
safety
purposes,
to
prevent
traffic
or
oncoming
vehicular
traffic
to
interfere
or
cause
injury
to
any
protesters,
and
we
will
also
do
that
to
prevent
protesters
from
getting
on
the
highway,
because
that
could
become
a
very
dangerous
situation
as
well.
So
those
are
some
things
we
kind
of
do
initially
to
keep
the
peace,
and
we
might
continue
to
do
those
things
as
the
dynamic
of
a
particular
assembly
changes.
But
that's
going
to
be
our
first
role,
keeping
the
peace
monitoring
and
keeping
everyone
safe.
R
We
have
to
remember
that
our
officers
are
still
required
to
respond
to
calls
for
service,
as
it
relates
to
first
amendment
activities.
That
could
be
something
like
noise
complaints
when
we
have
amplified
sound
or
music
and
microphones
in
an
area,
and
that
could
also
stem
to
calls
for
service
involving
injury
to
people
or
property,
and
we
cannot
ignore
those,
even
though
there
is
protected
first
amendment
speech
coming
on,
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
respond
to
those
accordingly
and
then
we
evaluate
to
determine.
R
R
So
when
we
talk
about
our
enforcement
actions,
this
is
going
to
occur
when
an
assembly
becomes
unlawful.
When
we
look
at
the
particular
tactics
or
responses
used,
we
have
to
remember
that
we
have
to
look
at
the
specific
facts
of
this
protest,
not
protests
in
general,
not
a
protest
from
four
years
ago.
But
what
is
happening
today
or
in
the
last
couple
of
days
before
what
intelligence
might
we
have?
Because
officers
must
consider
the
totality
of
the
circumstances
and
you'll
hear
me
repeat
that
phrase
throughout,
because
we
can't
take
any
particular
protest
situation.
R
Just
isolate
it
on
its
own,
so
we
talk
about,
for
example,
a
person
throwing
a
bottle
or
a
frozen
water
bottle
at
officers.
We
don't
take
literally
just
that
one
instance
of
throwing
a
bottle.
We
look
at
all
the
facts
surrounding
that.
What
has
this
assembly
been
doing
within
the
last
few
minutes?
And
we
look
at
the
continuous
transaction
or
this
common
set
of
facts
that
let
us
know
what's
going
on
in
this
particular
protest.
R
When
we
look
at
responding
to
noise
violations
a
lot
of
times.
What
we
do
is
address
that,
instead
of
taking
in
immediate
enforcement
action,
we
look
at
education
and
try
to
get
folks
to
comply.
So,
for
example,
if
we
have
a
call
for
service
about
amplified
sound
someone
not
having
a
permit
or
they
do
have
a
permit,
but
it's
late
at
night
and
the
sound
level
is
too
loud.
R
What
we
would
look
to
do
is
to
educate
those
demonstrators
and
hopefully
get
them
into
compliance.
We've
certainly
done
that
a
lot
with
protests,
I'm
near
medical
facilities
and
in
the
overarching
discussion
of
covid,
that
that
comes
into
a
lot
of
things
same
thing
there
with
any
executive
orders,
those
sorts
of
things
we
start
with
education,
and
then
we'll
cite
for
non-compliance.
If
we
cannot
get
a
particular
group
to
comply
with
any
statutes
or
ordinances
that
might
affect
their
particular
event.
R
The
next
type
of
enforcement
action
we
might
have
to
take
would
involve
injury
to
people
or
property
or
impeding
traffic.
So
when
we
have
people,
injuring
cars
potentially
or
trying
to
break
into
buildings
or
walking
in
the
streets,
officers
can
try
to
attempt
to
remove
individual
violators
that
is
heavily
specific
and
dependent
on
the
factual
circumstances,
like
the
size
of
the
group,
the
location
of
the
group
and
the
particular
activity
the
group
is
taking
place
in,
we
can't
always
cherry
pick
violators
out
and
pull
them
to
the
side.
R
We
might
have
to
take
enforcement
action
that
affects
a
larger
part
of
that
group.
But
again,
when
you're
thinking
of
that,
when
we
see
the
injury
to
people,
property
impeding
traffic
and
those
sorts
of
things,
we
evaluate
that
from
the
totality
of
the
circumstances
as
to
whether
or
not
it
would
be
feasible
for
us
to
pick
out
one
violator
to
arrest
or
cite
or
if
we
need
to
try
to
disperse
an
entire
group.
So
that'll
take
me
to
the
next
slide.
R
When
these
demonstrators
happen
to
violate
a
state
or
federal
law,
the
assembly
becomes
unlawful
at
minimum.
When
we
talk
about
which
particular
laws
could
be
violated,
we
truly
mean
anything,
but
at
the
minimum
level,
certainly
impeding
traffic
is
a
chapter
20
criminal
traffic,
offense,
and
so
when
protesters
are
in
the
street
on
its
face,
that
is
technically
considered
an
unlawful
assembly.
However,
as
you've
seen,
our
department
allows
some
level
of
first
amendment
activity
and
allows
protesters
to
walk
through
the
city,
even
though
they
might
be
within
street
traffic,
as
opposed
to
the
sidewalk.
R
However,
at
a
minimum
level
that
would
create
somewhat
of
an
unlawful
assembly
when
we
talk
about
traffic
violations,
but
obviously
cmpd
is
going
to
again
look
at
the
totality
of
the
circumstances
before
we
take
action
on
something.
That's
only
impeding
traffic
and
not
more
again.
Unlawful
assemblies
are
not
protected
by
first
amendment,
and
so
from
there
law
enforcement
may
disperse
that
group
or
arrest
particular
violators
again
that'll
be
dependent
on
the
size
of
the
group
in
the
particular
illegal
activity
they
might
be
participating
in
next
slide.
R
The
criminal
offenses
that
we
often
see
and
again
this
as
well
as
not
an
exhaustive
list,
but
what
we
often
see
is
writing
disorderly
conduct.
When
we
talk
about
writing,
that
means
three
or
more
people
who
are
committing
disorderly
conduct
or
have
the
imminent
threat
of
committing
such
conduct,
which
might
result
in
injury
or
the
present
danger
of
injury
to
people
and
or
property.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
both
people
or
property.
It
applies
to
either
or
or
both
so
whether
people
are
damaging
vehicles,
damaging
buildings
assaulting
each
other
assaulting
officers
assaulting
bystanders.
R
All
of
that
can
contribute
to
something
being
a
riot
when
we
look
at
that
three
plus
number
that
three
plus
stands
no
matter
how
large
the
group
is
so
there's
a
group
of
three
thousand
and
three
are
participating
in
disorderly
conduct
that
could
be
declared
a
riot
again
under
the
totality
of
circumstances.
We
do
look
at
the
size
of
the
group,
but
at
minimum
the
statute
allows
in
states
that
a
riot
is
three
or
more
people.
No
matter
the
size
of
the
group,
rioting
explicitly
mentions
disorderly
conduct
and
that
moves
me
to
the
next
statute.
R
This
is
when
persons
are
engaging
in
fighting
or
other
violent
conduct
which
might
create
the
threat
or
imminent
threat
of
violence,
and
that
would
be
whether
again
they
are
fighting
with
each
other
within
their
group
bystanders
or
officers
or
violent
property
conduct.
All
of
those
can
contribute
to
being
declared
a
disorderly
conduct.
There
is
no
numerical
limit
here,
so
potentially
one
person
could
be
participating
in
disorderly
conduct
if
we
do
have
a
situation
with
rioting
and
disorderly
conduct.
That
would
lead
officers
to
give
an
order
to
disperse
again.
R
So
here
we
have
to
have
a
reasonable
belief
that
a
riot
or
disorderly
conduct
is
occurring
so
again
keep
the
elements
in
mind
from
the
previous
slide
about
that
violence
of
to
or
imminent
imminent
excuse
me
imminent
threat
of
violence
to
people
or
property
of
three
or
more
people,
and
then
we
have
to
give
that
command
in
a
manner.
That's
reasonably
calculated
to
be
heard,
so
it
wouldn't
be
at
indoor
speaking
tones.
R
Obviously,
depending
on
the
situation,
we
could
use
our
lrad
or
our
long-range
acoustic
device
megaphones
any
sort
of
tool
that
will
allow
us
to
reasonably
make
sure
that
that
dispersal
order
can
be
heard.
That
does
not
mean
that
we
have
to
prove
that
literally
every
single
person
within
the
group
heard
the
order
to
disperse
we
just
have
to
give
it
in
a
manner
that
is
reasonably
made
to
be
heard
by
that
large
group.
R
If
any
person
does
remain
in
the
area
after
that
dispersal
order,
that's
primo
fascia
or
a
first
on-site
piece
of
evidence
that
the
person
who
remains
is
willfully
engaging
in
that
riot
or
willfully
engaging
in
disorderly
conduct.
It
is
presumed
by
the
statute
that
once
that
dispersal
order
is
given,
if
you
remain,
you
are
willfully
participating
in
unlawful
activity
from
there
officers
may
arrest
any
person
who's
remaining
after
the
dispersal
order,
any
person
all
folks
or
a
couple
of
people.
R
Here
I
believe
the
chief
has
discussed
you
know
in
the
past
weeks
talking
about
updates
to
our
directive
and
repeatedly
giving
those
dispersal
orders
when
we
do
have
moving
assemblies,
and
so
that
would
mean
instead
of
relying
on
one
or
two
dispersal
orders,
that
for
a
group
that
might
be
moving
around,
we
will
continually
give
those
dispersal
orders
until
the
group
has
actually
dissipated
and
left
the
area
next
slide.
Please.
R
Remember
when
we
talk
about
first
amendment
dispersal,
orders,
unlawfulness
or
whether
it's
peaceful
officers
have
to
evaluate
these
law
enforcement
decisions
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Again,
we
can't
base
it
on
how
another
city
or
state
reacts
to
protests.
We
can't
base
it
on
maybe
what
we
did
a
couple
of
days
ago.
R
We
have
to
look
at
the
dynamics
of
the
protest
in
front
of
us,
while
considering
the
totality
of
the
circumstances,
but
understanding
that
the
particular
and
specific
enforcement
actions
that
are
taken
are
going
to
be
those
that
are
suitable
and
feasible
in
the
given
circumstance,
because
every
protest
is
different.
We
have
seen
in
the
past
few
months
that
sometimes
officers
can
successfully
remove
individual
protesters
from
a
group,
and
we
do
like
to
do
that
when
it's
feasible,
but
that
is
not
always
possible.
R
R
We
have
to
remember
the
feasibility
of
specific
tax
tactics
and
whether
or
not
they
are
reasonable
for
that
particular
group,
and
so
we
can't
really
set
policies
that
say
every
single
time
we
have
to
pick
individual
persons
out.
We,
of
course,
would
like
to
start
with
that,
but
we
have
to
remember
that
these
decisions
are
made
based
on
what's
occurring
at
the
moment.
R
E
All
right,
so
I've
got
I've,
got
two
and
then
I'm
sure
we'll
have
others
one.
The
three
plus
people
is-
and
I
understand,
as
it
said,
north
carolina
general
statute.
This
is
not
a
cmpd
rule
or
a
city
of
charlotte
rule,
so
one
that
mr
winston,
mr
bakari
would
have
to
take
down
to
raleigh
as
as
the
leaders
of
our
intergovernmental
committee.
E
But
you
know
I'm
just,
and
this
is
maybe
one
hyper-specific
example,
but
I'm
imagining
there
was
a
sunday
back
in
june,
where
a
bunch
of
faith
leaders
from
around
our
community
had
probably
a
thousand
people
marching
through
the
streets,
and
I
can
only
imagine
that
if
somebody
decided
they
wanted
to
disrupt
that.
Knowing
this
rule,
you
just
have
three
people
come
down
and
act
out
and
then
it
could
shut
down.
E
An
entirely
peaceful
protest
seems
problematic,
regardless
of
the
size
of
the
protest
that
three
people
could
effectively
as
counter
protesters
come
and
shut
down,
something
that
is
peaceful,
that
is
by
by
all,
probably
all
accounts
of
any
reasonable
person,
not
a
riot.
So
again,
I
know
that's
a
state
statute
that
just
kind
of
caught
me
off
guard
as
far
as
the
dispersal
orders.
E
That's
something
that
people
could
easily
sign
up
for,
for
instance,
on
twitter,
to
receive
an
email
notification
or
some
sort
of
push
notification
that
a
tweet
had
been
posted,
and
it
could
say
that
we've
issued
a
dispersal
order.
Are
we
using
things
like
an
amber
alert
type
system
to
alert
people
in
a
certain
geographic
radius
that
a
dispersal
order
has
been
given
or
even
something
as
simple
or
you
know,
I'm
picturing
the
building
on
the
corner
of
mlk
in
college,
where
there's
a
ribbon
banner
that
runs
the
stock,
the
stock
prices.
E
For
the
day
I
mean
there's
technology
in
uptown,
there's
video
billboards
at
the
epicenter
you
know.
Is
there
some
sort
of
way
to
create
a
public
safety
communications
partnership
with
some
of
these
private
electronic
display
pieces
in
uptown,
where
something
under
certain
circumstances
obviously
have
to
rise
to
a
certain
level
of
importance
and
emergency,
but
something
could
be
pushed
out
via
those
channels.
E
If
anybody
knows
of
anything
like
that
that
we're
doing
or
that
we've
considered
and
wants
to
address
it
now
they
can.
But,
but
I
think
those
are
things
we
ought
to
be
thinking
about,
because
there's
no
excuse
for
us
not
using
all
the
tools
at
our
disposal
to
make
sure
that
the
word
is
out
to
as
many
people
as
possible
and
then
a
large
group
in
an
oftentimes
loud
setting.
You
know
our
expectation
that
someone
in
the
back
of
the
crowd
is
going
to
hear
a
message.
R
To
answer
some
of
that-
and
I
do
understand,
the
three
plus
is
kind
of
a
small
number.
If
you
think
of
a
larger
group
protesting,
we
did
have
an
instance
of
that
on
where
we
had
some
counter
protesters
come
to
marshall
park
and
what
we
like
to
do
in
that
instance
again,
if
feasible
officers,
would
form
a
line
between
the
two
groups
so
that
we
don't
necessarily
have
three
people
who
can
just
easily
walk
up
and
will
declare
this
whole
event
a
riot.
R
We
would
try
to
take
those
steps
to
divide
the
group
and
separate
them
from
there.
However,
there
could
be
circumstances
where,
let's
say
truly
a
handful
of
people
can
come
to
a
riot
of
500
or
more
people
and
participate
in
riotous
activity,
but
again
before
declaring
that
a
riot,
we
would
try
to
separate
the
groups
and
isolate
any
sort
of
agitators
as
they've
been
called,
and
we
have
done
that
successfully
before
in
separating
groups
at
marshall
park,
without
declaring
it
a
riot
and
asking
folks
to
disperse.
R
R
I
think
that
could
potentially
create
some
issues
in
having
private
entities
acting
with
this
with
a
government
entity
as
sort
of
some
color
acting
under
color
of
law-
and
you
know,
are
they
part
of
the
government
part
of
cmpd
or
not,
because
you
know
they
would
some
of
their
folks
would
potentially
become
witnesses
to
having
typed
in
that
message
into
their
scroll
that
will
be
displayed.
So
I
think
that
would
be
there
potentially
some
issues
with
that,
but
I
think
we
can
certainly
try
to
discuss.
You
know
better
ways
to
get
that
out.
E
I
appreciate
that
I
I
would
question
the
the
last
statement
there.
I
don't
think.
For
instance,
a
verizon
employee
has
ever
been
subpoenaed
for
a
child
abduction
case
simply
because
I
get
amber
alerts
on
my
verizon
cell
phone,
so
I
think
there's
there's
technology
there,
I'm
glad
we're
using
some
of
it.
I
think
there's
more
that
we
can
tap
into
particularly
in
very
fast
moving
situations
where
we
need
to
get
information
out
quickly
and
to
as
many
people
as
possible.
I
hope
we'll
explore
all
those
avenues.
F
S
So
so,
as
a
general
rule,
you
don't
have
a
first
amendment
protection
to
lie.
There
are
certainly
limitations
to
to
the
speech
that
you
put
out
there.
For
instance,
a
you
know,
words
that
you
use
that
could
potentially
be
seen
as
defamatory
to
an
individual.
You
know
slander,
libel,
those
things
like
that
are
are
certainly
a
way
of
of
limiting
your
your
speech
and
keep
in
mind
that
the
first
amendment
is
really
the
prohibition
against
the
government
doing
something.
S
So
you
don't
necessarily
you
know
when
you're
speaking
as
an
individual
and
you're
not
telling
the
truth
about
an
another
individual.
That's
not
going
to
be
really
a
first
amendment
issue
like
a
defense
to
that.
If
to
a
to
a
defamation
or
a
you
know,
slander,
libel
kind
of
kind
of
case.
I'm
not
sure
I've
answered
your
question,
but
there.
F
S
F
S
S
F
Well,
I'm
asking,
if
you
know
if
they
should,
I
guess
I'm
asking
yes.
The
second
part
of
the
question
are
I'm
sorry:
what
are
the
rules
and
conduct
for
communications
and
social
media
teams
and
conveying
proper,
accurate
and
truthful
narratives
of
incidents
and
policy
decisions
that
they've
been
given
by
city
council
during
first
amendment
activities.
B
Yeah,
I
mean
my
expectation,
for
them
is
that
they're
putting
out
accurate
information,
that's
as
as
immediate
and
transparent
as
possible?
If
they
are
then
again,
I
would
weigh
the
intent
if
it's
intentionally
putting
something
out.
That's
untruthful,
then
yeah
that
would
be
a
violation
of
of
a
rule
of
conduct.
That
would
be
that
would
institute
a
internal
affairs
hearing.
F
B
B
Again
it
would,
I
would
have
to
weigh
their
intent,
so
if,
if
they
intentionally
put
something
out
that
was
untruthful
for
in
what
their
motive
was
to
do
that,
then
they
would
have
that
same
process
due
process
that
they
that
we
would
want
for
an
officer
to
to
be
able
to
have
the
process
of
having
an
internal
affairs
investigation,
as
well
as
a
an
internal
independent
chain
of
command
board.
Hearing.
F
Specifically
to
the
officer
that
whose
video
has
been
widely
disseminated
over
the
past
week,
this,
I
believe
it's
the
sergeant
who
was
telling
his
bike
squad
about
the
coordinated
efforts
of
rory
and
dance,
would
any
of
his
actions
and
or
any
of
the
actions
of
any
officers.
That
night
rise
to
the
threshold
of
the
manifest
manifest
of
injustice
threshold
that
is
written
in
the
policy.
F
The
language
that
we
have
in
our
policy
under
the
rules
of
conduct
the
need
for
an
action
to
to
rise
to
to
that
to
manifest
injustice
right.
That's
that's
when
there's
a
duty
to
intervene
from
other
officers
about
actions
of
a
fellow
officer
the
words
the
words
of
that
officer
that
was
just
that
was
suspended
to
that
rise
to
manifest
injustice.
B
B
R
F
R
That
when
we
talk
about
the
internal
affairs
side
of
that,
I
don't
believe
the
duty
to
intervene
was
a
charge
that
was
a
corresponding
charge.
With
that
the
particular
sergeant.
Well,
you
know
you
know
was
disciplined
for
that,
but
in
this
instant
there
was
no
duty
to
intervene
charged
with
any
of
the
subordinates
that
he
was
speaking
to
so
to.
F
R
And
so
it
didn't
in
that
instance,
because
we
hadn't
made
that
policy
change
yet
so,
potentially
afterwards.
That
certainly
could
be
addressed
if,
if
a
verbal
situation
were
to
occur,
that
someone
should
intervene,
but
in
this
particular
time
on
june,
2nd
that
update
to
the
policy
occurred
after
so
it
wouldn't.
You
know
if
it
were
a
violation.
It
wouldn't
have
been
a
violation
on
that
particular
day
because
it
wasn't
it's
stated
yet.
F
R
B
No,
I
believe,
you're
correct,
that
it
did
not
include
that
wording
when
our
duty
to
intervene
when
we
added
that
to
the
policy
rule
of
conduct
and
the
duty
to
intervene
at
this
point.
If
you're
asking
me
if
june
second
were
to
occur
now,
would
there
be
duty
to
intervene
violations?
I
would
just
based
on
what
we're
discussing
now
would
say:
no,
they
would
not
okay.
K
Forward,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
So,
as
we
have
discussed
earlier
now
that
we're
getting
recommendations
from
the
community
citizens
qn
input
group,
we
will
work
with
all
of
the
different
entities
to
come
back
in
two
weeks
with
something
that
the
committee
could
use
in
terms
of
any
type
of
policy
recommendation
or
changes.
K
We
will
continue
with
report
outs
and
again,
thank
you
federico
for
pulling
the
groups
together
an
update
on
the
alignment.
Eight
can't
wait.
Hopefully
we
can
be
finished
with
that
in
the
next
two
weeks
and
then
we
would
continue
the
discussions
that
started
today
with
the
passive
protests.
Peaceful
demonstrations
first
amendment
activities
and
then
we
would
start
with
the
next
layer,
which
is
the
review
of
police,
transparency
and
access
to
information.
So
with
that,
mr
chair,
that's
what
we
have
for
the
next
time,
we're
together.
H
E
E
So
I
would-
and
I'm
looking
at
this,
I'm
looking
to
mr
assuming
that
they
are
able
to
complete
that
discussion.
Their
feedback
and
recommendations
would
come
to
us
at
our
subsequent
meeting
after
they
finished
that
discussion.
Mysterious.
Are
you
anticipating
that
to
take
more
than
the
next
meeting
of
the
community
input
group?
I.
I
H
Recommendation
it
was
on
the
agenda
for
september
14,
the
14th
or
15th,
and
I
had
some
concern
about
that.
So
I
was
told
it
was
going
to
be
on
today's
agenda.
So
do
we
have
an
estimate
of
when
that's
going
to
happen?
I
I
know
that
the
the
public
is
is
asking
for
this
they've
been
asking
for
it
since
june.
I
I
would
hope
it
would
be
a
priority
for
for
more
than
just
for
me.
K
K
F
So
I
don't
know
totally
how
to
get
this
done.
Since
I
am
not
a
committee
member,
I
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
be
a
motion,
but
I
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
the
responses
to
the
question
and
answers
from
from
last
committee
meeting.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
good
information
there
and
we
potentially
we
have
a
menu
that
if
this
committee
and
council
so
chooses
that
gives
us
a
robust,
comprehensive
vision
for
a
pathway
forward
to
reimagine
government's
role
in
ensuring
safe
communities.
F
I've
gone
those
documents
that
have
been
provided
and
I
think,
if
I
believe,
if
staff
concentrated
on
a
certain
a
couple
of
of
those
menu
items
that
that
that
would
get
us
down
the
line
towards
some
action,
I
would
love.
If
so,
if
you
can
write
this
down,
I
guess
I
don't
know
how
we
do
if
we
need
the
committee.
I
need
a
committee
member
to
make
a
motion
or
my
my
request
is
good
enough,
but
I
would
like
us
to
study
the
austin
model
of
the
office
of
police
oversight.
E
So
with
the
idea,
then,
mr
winston,
or
maybe
the
goal
be
to
have
staff,
take
the
best
practices
from
each
of
those
cities
you
mentioned
and
others
that
they've
outlined
and
the
information
they
provided
to
us
and
present
to
us.
What
a
office
of
politic,
police,
accountability
or
something
of
that
nature
might
look
like
for
charlotte.
F
K
F
I'm
always
moving
with
the
intent
counselor
taking
action
on
things.
So,
while
I'm
not
saying
that
we
need
to
prepare
a
council
action,
you
know
a
proposal
for
council
action
out
of
it.
I
do
want
to
want
you
to
look
at
it
through
the
lens
of
our
government
structure
and
what
implementation
within
our
structures
would
look
like.
If
that
makes
sense,.
F
E
And
mr
jones,
just
to
underscore
mr
winston's
list
there.
I
know
he
spoke
with
me
and
other
council
members,
so
I
do
think
that
he's
he's
hit
on
some
of
the
best
practices
that
we
saw
from
the,
and
I
am
appreciative
of
the
exhaustive
list
that
was
given
to
us
in
our
in
our
packets
here.
So
I
do
think
that
is
representative
of
some
of
the
best
things
that
several
of
us
saw
in
there
that
we
think
could
be
tweaked
to
fit
for
charlotte.