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From YouTube: Community Recovery Task Force, Housing - May 14, 2020
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A
The
objectives
are
to
anticipate
and
plan
for
Charlotte
post
recovery
challenges,
given
the
economic
uncertainties
in
our
city's
future
to
listen
to
the
community
regarding
the
challenges
people
are
facing,
as
they
navigate
a
changing
working
and
living
environment,
to
develop
recommendations
for
the
City
Council's,
specifically
how
we
can
support
changes
needed
as
a
result
of
kovat
19
and
to
provide
a
long-term
vision
for
community
and
provide
stable
economic
and
civic
engagement.
So
well,
thank
everyone
for
being
here.
A
A
A
Well,
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here
today.
We
have
AP
accent
full
agenda.
There
are
a
number
of
readouts
that
were
in
your
pre
meeting
materials
that
hopefully
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
to
read
and
govern
yourself
accordingly
to
today's
work
plan
is
work
plan
task,
one
which
is
increasing
the
supply
of
affordable
housing,
with
the
focus
on
the
Housing
Trust
Fund,
and
before
we
apply
our
leads,
Lee
and
Fred
to
kind
of
take
over
the
meeting.
A
L
You,
mr.
Graham,
so
the
2018
housing
bonds
were
approved
according
to
referendum,
language
that
tracks
the
state
statute
governing
what
bonds
can
be
used
for
and
as
currently
written.
The
North
Carolina
statute
regarding
housing
bonds
requires
that
those
bonds
be
used
for
capital
costs,
of
providing
housing
projects
for
the
benefit
of
persons
of
low-income
or
moderate
income
or
low
and
moderate
income,
including
construction
or
acquisition
of
projects
to
be
owned
by
a
city
redevelopment.
L
Commissioner,
housing
authority
and
loans
grants,
interest
supplements
and
other
programs
of
financial
assistance
to
persons
of
low-income
or
moderate
income
or
low
and
moderate
income
and
developers
of
housing
for
persons
of
low
income
or
moderate
income
or
low
and
moderate
income.
It's
a
lot
of
words
to
basically
say
that
the
capital
costs
of
affordable
housing,
whether
it
be
construction
or
financing,
can
be
paid
for
with
housing
bonds.
The
statute
goes
on
to
specifically
exclude
rent
subsidy
subsidies
from
payment
by
housing
bonds.
L
So,
as
that's
a
state
statute,
well,
first
off
the
2018
bonds
are
obviously
subject
to
those
requirements.
Any
change
in
the
usage
for
the
bond
funds
would
be
required
to
go
through
the
General
Assembly
and
since
that,
the
next
round
of
bonds,
I
believe,
is
November.
I'm,
not
sure
it
would
be
a
question
for
both
Dana
Fenton
and
also
perhaps
finance
for
when
that
change
might
need
to
be
requested
to
be
effective
for
November.
A
That
may
be
problematic,
so
I
will
pause
and
it's
kind
of
open
it
up
for
questions
from
the
task
force.
Members
in
terms
of
again,
this
is
talking
specifically
about
the
current
use
of
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
dollars.
As
you
know,
the
City
Council
just
approved
about
ten
projects
that
that
greatly
enhances
the
number
of
units
that
we're
building
there's
one
still
under
consideration,
which
is
the
ProCare
project.
A
I,
think,
there's
a
consensus
on
council
that
we
want
to
kind
of
see
that
project
get
across
the
finish
line,
but
that
has
more
to
do
with
the
developer
than
the
council
itself.
So
we're
working
working
with
him
so
I
know
there
was
a
number
of
questions
that
council
member
Winston
had
regarding
the
any
changes
moving
forward
with
the
bond
referendum
in
November
regarding
the
Housing,
Trust,
Fund
dollars
and
I
think
that'd
be
an
appropriate
place
to
start
by
calling
on
him.
For
the
first
question,
councilmember
Winston.
N
A
All
right,
we
will
check
his
technology,
so
my
can
someone
quick
text
doesn't
know
that
we're
we
don't
have
an
audio
re
or
a
visual
from
right
now.
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
task
force
members
relating
to
how
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
dollars
can
be
utilized
currently
and
if
there's
any
proposed
moving
forward,
Commissioner
Lindsey.
B
B
B
N
D
I
was
just
saying
to
question:
miss
Lyons
I
just
missed
the
action
that
we
would
need
from
the
legislature
to
make
changes.
I
didn't
didn't
catch
that
I'm,
so
she
can
repeat
that
and
that's
my
follow
up
question,
as
you
mentioned,
mr.
Graham
would
be.
What
do
we
need
to
think
about
in
terms
of
if
we
do
want
to
expand
the
uses
of
our
Housing
Trust
Fund,
as
allowed
under
state
law
with,
is
the
language
the
ballot
language
need
to
look
like
for
November.
L
I'm
sure
so
any
change
to
both
the
uses
and
the
ballot
language
if
the
ballot
language
were
to
expand
beyond
the
uses
that
you
already
have
both
of
both
the
statute
would
require
a
legislative
change
that
would
then
allow
the
ballot
language
to
be
different.
So
this,
the
legislature
only
has
to
make
a
change
to
the
authorized
uses,
but
the
ballot
language
can't
be
changed
to
match
that
until
the
legislative
change
has
been
made.
Does
that
answer
your
question?
Mr.
Winston.
D
A
So
it
may
not
be
for
this
referendum
and
maybe
before
the
next
one,
but
we'll
talk
about
that
offline
I,
concur
with
you,
I
think
there
ought
to
be
some
type
of
gifted
task
force
members
to
flexibility,
to
examine
the
Housing
Trust
fine,
as
it
is
today
and
see
what
changes
needs
to
be
made
for
further
enhancement
in
terms
of
affordable
housing.
Let's
delete.
E
Yeah
just
a
clarifying
question-
and
we
may
get
to
this
as
we
talk
later,
if
I'm
understanding
right
that
the
state
statute
obviously
governs
both
the
2018
referendum
and
the
upcoming
referendum
is
also
the
2018
funding.
Any
any
funding
left
under
the
2018
Housing
Trust
Fund
would
also
be
governed
by
whatever
the
referendum
language
was
at.
That
time.
Is
that
correct.
E
There
is
there
language
in
there,
and
maybe
that's
a
follow
up
is
what
the
actual
language
was
in
the
2018
referendum.
Did
it?
Did
it
create
more
restrictions
beyond
what
you
just
read
in
the
state
statute?
Was
there
a
kind
of
further
restrictions
on
how
that
fifty
million
can
be
used
beyond
the
state
statute?
It.
L
E
B
B
A
Okay,
so
that
kind
of
system,
the
groundwork
for
everyone,
we
will
do
a
couple
of
things,
one
we
will
send
out
the
the
ballot
language,
so
we
all
know
what
it
what
it
reads
like
today
and
on
what
give
us,
maybe
a
quick
update
in
writing.
So
we
can
offer
a
report,
so
we
can
submit
it
to
all
the
task
force
members.
A
So
as
we
kind
of
go
through
our
discussions
and
then
I
will
work
with
councilmember
Winston,
who
also
is
co-chairman
of
the
intergovernmental
relations
committee
to
kind
of
work
out
the
timing
of
if
there's
any
changes
that
we
recommend.
How
do
we
make
that
happen
sooner
than
later,
or
can
we
make
it
happen
at
all
doing
this
doing
this
year?
I
don't
know
okay,
so
that
leads
us
into
the
presentation
from
leads.
A
You
got
their
BIOS
and
your
and
your
right
out.
They
have
very,
very
impressive
credentials,
I'm,
so
pleased
and
happy
that
they
have
that
there
are
members
of
the
task
force
and
that
they
have
taken
the
lead
on
this
particular
issue.
So
I
will
turn
the
the
program
over
to
them
after
I.
Take
this
quick
question
from
council
member
Johnson
thank.
C
C
A
And
what
I'll
do
miss
Johnson
is
also
see
if
we
can
communicate
with
risk
to
answer
that
question
and
we'll
send
it
out
to
the
task
force
members
and
we'll
also
pick
their
organization
in
a
parking
lot
to
have
them.
Come
at
some
point
before
the
task
force
to
talk
about
their
their
portion
up
to
50
million
dollars.
G
Thank
You,
councilmember,
Graham
and
I
will
start
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over.
It
simply
we'll
start
with
just
a
brief
introduction.
I
guess
my
name
is
Fred
Dotson
jr..
This
is
an
honor
to
be
a
part.
This
effort,
that's
very
important
if
the
city,
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
my
background,
my
bio
is
in
the
presentation,
but
affordable
housing
is
what
I've
done
in
my
entire
career,
really
starting
in
homeless,
shelters
and
then
just
you
know,
working
my
way,
I've
been
very
fortunate
to
work
for
the
Charlotte
Mecklenburg
Housing
Partnership.
G
G
Learn
a
lot
of
lessons
which
is
kind
of
what
I
want
to
focus
on
during
our
discussion
today.
Kind
of
lessons
learned
not
that
we've
gone
through
a
time
like
this
before,
but
what
we
have
learned.
We
did
learn
lessons
during
similar
well
they're
in
technical
terms
such
as
the
last
great
recession
that
we
went
through
I
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
Lee
Cochran
that
hasn't
shift
for
for
nine
years
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Lee
to
introduce
himself.
E
So
I
am
thrilled
to
be
part
of
the
task
force
and
like
Fred,
want
to
be
a
resource
to
kind
of
bring
some
of
our
just
experience
in
history
of
going
through,
like
Fred,
said
not
the
same
type
of
shocks
but
shop
and
other
shocks
to
the
affordable
housing
industry
that
we
had
to
weather
and
some
of
the
tools
that
were
used
to
enter
those
shocks.
So,
thanks
for
having
me
thanks.
G
G
We
want
to
encourage
feedback
from
the
members
of
the
task
force
and
also
members
of
the
public
in
the
work
plan
we
are
responsible
for
I
am
1a
through
through
D.
We
won't
go
in
an
order,
but
over
the
next
few
week,
next
couple
of
weeks
and
it's
two
meetings.
Actually,
we
promise
to
cover
in
each
item
in
the
work
plan
that
that
is
that's
our
responsibility,
so
I
would
encourage
questions
today
for
both
Lee
and
I
and
I
will
start
the
discussion
I
about
some
of
the
challenges
that
that
we
think
face
right
now.
G
We
with
the
onset
of
over
19,
we
have
experienced
a
little
a
sudden
shock
to
the
affordable
housing
market,
just
like
all
markets,
and
what
we've
determined
is
that
it's
it's
really
early
to
determine
how
substantial
a
harmful
that
that
shop
is.
You
just
don't
know
yet,
but
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
uncertainty.
I
spend
a
great
deal
of
my
time
these
days
and.
F
G
Only
trying
to
make
sure
that
are
still
there
in
the
pipeline
that
those
deals
actually
close,
but
also
talking
to
lenders
and
investors
to
see
to
determine
exactly
what's
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
market
right
now.
The
best
source
of
information
we
have
right
right
now
is
what
happened
in
the
past.
Recession.
G
Lee
and
I
were
both
working
together
during
that
time,
and
we
did
learn
some
lessons
there.
One
of
the
lessons
we
learned
is
that
the
tax
credit
pricing
is
likely
to
decline,
but
federal
income
housing
tax
credits
are
really
the
only
tool
that
we
have
or
I'd
say,
the
most
substantial
tool
that
we
have
to
build:
affordable
housing,
pricing
of
those
tax
credits,
whether
they
be
9%,
tax
credits
and
4%,
tax
credits
and
again
I'll.
Try
not
to
get
too
too
deep
into
the
weeds.
G
G
G
G
This
is
a
very
attractive
market,
so
there
are
some
areas
where,
if
pricing
pricing
may
dip
so
low
the
prices
that
the
deals
aren't
possible
at
all
problem
that
we
have
right
now,
one
of
the
knee
problems
is
that
prior
to
coven
in
construction
costs
were
very,
very
high,
historically
high
and
continuing
to
creep
up.
We
have
not
yet
seen
a
decrease
in
construction,
material
costs
or
labor
costs.
Yeah
we've
also
not
seen
a
dramatic
decrease
just
yet
and
tax
credit
pricey,
and
then,
when
I've
talked
to
investors
had
multiple
conversations
with
them.
G
We're
finding
that
tax
credit
pricing
at
this
point
still
remains
fairly
flat,
but
that
can
change
rapidly
and
that's
been
my
experience
of
the
passes
that
doesn't
take
much
to
really
bring
the
pricing
and
its
supply
and
demand,
but
the
big.
So
the
big
challenge
right
now
is:
if
there
is
a
dramatic
decrease,
the
tax
credit
pricing
without
a
decrease
in
construction
costs,
then
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
continue
to
build,
affordable
housing.
G
The
thing
that
will
bring
construction
costs
down
is
likely
to
bring
construction
cost
down
is
just
a
decrease
in
construction
activity
that
that
may
happen
in
the
past
has
been
because
slowdown
and
market
rate
construction,
with
with
a
level
of
unemployment
that
we're
seeing
now
I
mean
it
is
very
likely
that
there
will
be
a
slowdown
structure.
I
haven't
seen
it
yet,
but
I
think
it's
entirely
reasonable
to
assume
that
that's
going
to
happen.
So
we
will
continue
to
monitor
construction
costs
to
see
how
that
impacts.
Our
development.
G
Now
the
rates
have
fallen
so
low
and
that's
a
really
good
thing
rates
of
fallen
so
low
that
lenders,
heaven
have
already
adjusted
to
that
and
they've
put
in
interest
rate
floors,
so
they'll
fall
too
low.
I,
see
wanna,
maintain
their
yield
and
make
sure
that
there
are
they
get
a
reasonable
return
of
their
investment,
but
it
does
help
before
will
have
me,
because
our
costs
are
lower
cost
of
our.
G
G
One
of
the
most
difficult
things
brought
at
this
time
is
just
the
fact
that
there's
so
much
uncertainty,
and
so
with
the
near
term,
closing
a
development
before
you
know
the
economy
gets
moving
before
there's
some
certainty
asked
how
we
deal
with
this.
This
health
crisis
that
led
to
economic
crisis
opposing
the
development
will
be
difficult.
I
mean
there
are
lenders.
Investors
who
got
talked
to
is
that
they
will
continue
to
close
developments
that
were
already
scheduled
to
close
for
prior
to
coated,
but
they
are
certainly
not
looking
for
new
opportunities
and
I.
G
Think
it's
going
to
lead
to
longer
due
diligence
periods
before
developments
actually
flows
and
in
this
type
of
environment
they
will.
You
know
they
will
provide
a
an
added
layer
of
scrutiny
because
of
the
fact,
for
example,
the
fact
that,
but
there
is
such
high
unemployment,
how
does
that
impact
the
rental
payments
and
things
like
that
can
make
these
deals
or
recipes?
G
We
can
assume
that
it's
going
to
take
longer
to
close
one
thing
that
we
learned
from
the
2008
recession.
Is
you
know
at
that
time
there
was
a
lot
of
speculation
as
to
how
I
see
rates
went,
hold
up
and
affordable
housing
developments
when
you
know
there's
a
great
deal
of
job
loss,
so
there
were
several
studies
doing
that
done
during
that
time,
a
nationwide,
a
determine
that
you
know
affordable
housing
if
Elvis
did
not
c5
agency.
During
that
period,
they
still
maintain
high
rate
of
occupancy
and
the
challenge
with
that
it
will
go
back.
G
Market
rate
development
servant
saw
higher
vacancies
during
that
period
of
time.
I
suspect
that's
going
to
be
the
case
at
this
time
as
well.
So
what
that
does
is
that
it
is.
It
dramatically
increases
the
need
for
more
affordable
housing.
We
we
have
to
continue
to
build
as
much
as
we
can.
We
can't
lose
during
this
period
of
time.
G
G
That
I
think
we
currently
have
around
1,400
taxes
of
bond
units
and
our
and
cities
pipeline
right
now
for
future
funding.
The
the
subsidy
needed
for
4%
developments
is
likely
to
increase,
and
Lee
will
talk
more
about
that,
because
the
tax
credit
rate,
which
really
determines
the
amount
of
tax
credits
that
are
available
to
those
4%
thoughts.
G
That
rate
is
already
at
a
historical
order
and
there's
there's
no
understanding
right
now
as
to
what
the
bottom
for
that
rate
I've
never
seen
it
as
long
as
I
said,
3.08
percent
I've
never
seen
that
hasn't
been
done.
The
question
is:
how
much
lower
will
it
fall?
Lee
will
talk
about
the
fact
that
there
are
some
some
discussion
right
now
about
an
effort,
a
federal
level
to
fix
that
rate
at
four
percent.
That
will
be
a
tremendous
boost
to
the
four
percent
bills
that
has
been
in
discussion
for
years
now.
G
If
that
happens,
that
will
make
these
deals
so
much
easier
to
finance,
but
so
that's
that
those
are
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
seeing
right.
Now
and
then
some
of
the
some
of
the
assumptions
that
we
can
make
based
upon
of
what
happened
in
the
last
recession,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Lee
to
continue
that
presentation.
E
Thank
You,
Fred
and
next
slide,
please
so
before
I
jump
into
some
of
these
additional
bullets.
I
think
all
of
this
to
frame
this
a
little
bit
everything
Fred
talked
about
is
are
some
short
to
medium
term,
challenges
that
we're
seeing
in
the
affordable
housing
industry
just
to
frame
it
a
little
bit.
You
know
most
projects
that
are
under
construction
right
now
that
have
been
previously
funded
are,
should
be
okay.
In
the
least
from
a
financing
standpoint,
all
their
financing
is
in
place.
E
Construction
has
continued.
You
know,
leasing
will
be
a
challenge
not
because
of
the
demand
just
because
of
kind
of
social
distancing
requirements,
but
we'll
work
through
those
things.
So
we
don't
feel
like
projects
that
are
currently
under
construction
are
necessarily
in
trouble
and,
honestly,
the
only
other
end
projects
that
we
say
apply
for
next
year:
2021
that
might
use
22
the
2020
bond
Housing
Trust
Fund
referendum
by
that
point,
we'll
probably
know
kind
of
what
all
the
effects
were.
Things
will
have
shaken
out.
E
They
may
be
good,
they
may
be
bad,
but
we'll
kind
of
have
a
better
sense
for
where
things
will
be
for
those
projects.
I
think
the
the
discussion
that
we're
having
right
now
and
that
Fred
kind
of
outlines
some
of
the
issues
are
for
those
deals
that
are
kind
of
in
that
middle.
There
deals
that
you
may
have
already
developments.
You
may
have
already
funded
through
the
Housing
Trust,
but
they
haven't
closed
their
financing.
E
They
don't
yet
have
a
construction
contract
and
they're
the
ones
that
are
effectively
in
some
jeopardy
in
the
sense
of
the
penny.
Take
out
are
those
deals
to
follow
viable.
Are
the
development
still
viable
and
that's
a
little
bit?
We
wanted
to
frame
that
discussion,
because
that
gets
a
little
bit
at
the
remaining
amount
you
have
in
the
2018
trust
fund
which
we'll
get
to
in
the
next
in
the
next
discussion.
E
E
E
So
you
know
we're
firm
believer
and
don't
just
immediately
look
to
the
local
that
we
should
be
looking
to
federal
and
state
for
resources
to
fix
some
of
the
challenges
that
Fred
mentioned,
and
what
we
did
was
looked
at.
What
are
some
of
the
proposals
out
there
now
and
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
were
done
in
the
last
two
times.
We
had
shocks
like
this
during
the
2020
2008
recession,
and
also
during
2018
tax
reform,
where
we
had
these
shocks
to
the
system
in
affordable
housing
development.
E
We
can
address
them
through
federal
and
state
resources,
just
spend
a
minute
talking
about
what
those
resources
are
or
what
their
responses
have
been,
and
this
also
goes
to
wanted
that
one
of
our
tasks
in
our
four
task
was
what
have
been
some
lesson
learned
from
past
situations
like
this,
so
in
a
very
quick
way.
The
first
of
these
is
something
Fred
mentioned.
There
is
a
legislation.
There
has
actually
been
legislation
for
about
ten
years.
E
That
is
attempted
to
what's
called
fix,
the
4%
credit,
without
going
through
a
very
complicated
math
problem.
The
amount
of
tax
credits
a
project
can
can
receive
is
is
tie
to
effectively
in
the
projects
costs.
But
there's
this
weird
percentage
you
if
we
call
it
the
four
percent,
but
it's
not
really
four
percent.
It
floats
every
month
and
it
changes
every
month
and
it's
currently,
as
fred
said
most
almost
a
three
percent,
so
the
amount
of
credits
we
can
get
on
a
project
are
much
lower
than
they
could
be.
E
E
But
it
is
something
that
folks
that
are
in
an
affordable
housing
nationally
and
lobbying
believe
that
if
there's
another
Kovach
19
stimulus
bill
that
this
would
be
one
of
the
provisions,
it's
generally
has
bipartisan
support
the
provision
and
almost
got
passed
in
2018
tax
reform,
but
just
missed
technical
because
they
have
to
show
how
they're
for
it,
but
that
would
effectively
without
being
too
brought
effectively.
That
would
immediately
really
fix
almost
any
funding
gap
on
it.
E
If
there
was
a
funding
gap
on
an
existing
project
because
of
a
drop
in
tax,
credit
pricing
or
because
of
any
other
shock.
This
would
effectively
fix
that
and
would
take
care
of
any
funding
gap
and
we
wouldn't
have
any
other,
almost
any
other
need
on
a
4%.
It
does
not
help
a
nine
percent.
The
nine
percent
tax
credit
is
already
fixed
at
nine
percent,
so
this
is
really
important.
E
I
think
part
of
what
we
can
come
back
to
the
committee
by
next
week
is
an
update
on
where
this
legislation
sits
and
if
it's
the
right
time
to
start
reaching
out
to
your
Congress,
will
Congress
people
and
your
senators
just
to
advocate
for
that.
We
can
get
that
information
back,
because
this
would
be
an
enormous
boon
to
the
industry
to
that
affordable,
housing
development.
E
The
second
way-
and
this
is
a
lesson
from
2018-
everyone
recognized
back
in
2018
when
the
corporate
tax
rate
went
from
thirty
five
percent
to
twenty
one
percent-
that
that
was
going
to
have
an
effect.
If
that,
if
the
investors
and
tax
credits
don't
have
as
much
tax
liability,
they
tend
to
spend
less,
they
buy
their
tax
credits
at
a
lower
rate.
It
immediately
creates
a
gap
in
a
project
when
the
amount
of
equity
that
an
investor
will
put
into
the
project
dropped.
Everyone
recognized
it
and
generally
within
tax
reform.
E
The
federal
government
allocated
additional
tax
credits
to
all
the
states
and
what
the
state
of
North
Carolina
did
with
that
was
allowed.
Developers
that
had
existing
Awards
of
tax
credits
to
come
back
to
the
state
and
say
hey
I
need
more
tax
credits,
because
my
pricing
distrupt
and
it
was
a
fairly
seamless
I-
felt
very
efficient
prog
process
to
effectively
plug
those
gaps.
E
So
effectively,
we've
been
through
this
before
in
2018,
where
projects
that
had
already
been
funded
immediately
had
a
funding
gap
because
of
something
happened
at
the
federal
level,
but
it
was
fixed
effectively
through
the
federal
in
the
state
we
haven't
heard
any
of
that
yet
I
think
it's
a
little
early,
but
that
is
another
way
that
you
might
see.
The
federal
and
working
with
the
states
dress
this
funding
gap
on
projects.
E
One
other
lesson
just
because
we
went
back
in
2008
Fred
mentioned
there
was
a
much
bigger
shock.
The
shock
of
28
2008
was
much
bigger
than
2018.
In
many
non-metro
areas,
effectively,
investors
just
went
away.
If
you
had
a
tax
credit
award
in
a
rural
county
in
North
Carolina,
there
were
no
investors
at
all.
It
didn't
matter.
Pricing
you
couldn't
find
an
investor
for
your
project,
so
projects
were
basically
gonna
die.
The
federal
government
put
together
two
programs,
I
won't
try
to
explain
the
programs
or
even
talk
through
the
names.
It's
just
examples.
E
One
was
called
tee
cap
and
one
was
exchange,
but
what
they
really
were,
where
the
federal
government
gave
direct
into
the
states.
Just
Oh
use
this
money
to
make
sure
affordable
housing
production
continues.
These
these
dollars
were
primarily
not
used
in
in
metro
areas.
The
way
the
state
designed
the
program
they
were
really.
It
was
designed
for
developments
that
had
lost
their
investor
altogether.
E
We
had
advocated
at
that
time
we
weren't
successful
in
having
those
funds
to
use
as
gap
finance
where,
as
Fred
described,
we
had
gaps
in
our
projects
because
we
had
an
investor
but
are
presently
had
dropped.
I
don't
know
yet
if
this
type
of
program
will
come
in.
But
if
programs
like
this
are
repeated,
it
is
something
we'll
want
to
advocate
for
at
the
state
level,
because
the
state
was
allowed
their
own
rules
to
set
these
programs
to
make
sure
those
funds
are
available
in
places
like
Charlotte.
E
Where
we'll
have
investors,
we
just
may
have
some
gaps
in
projects,
so
I,
just
I
won't
walk
through
these
programs,
but
they
work
federal
programs
with
a
state
administrator
and
the
last
one
only
spent
a
minute
on
this
is
actually
something
that
is
state
only
two
years
ago.
So
the
pro
the
rules
for
the
tax
credit
program
are
written
by
the
states
on
how
they
allocate
their
credits.
It's
something
called
the
qualified
allocation
plan.
E
It's
written
every
year
about
two
years
ago,
when
hurricane
and
I'm
blanking,
on
the
name
of
the
hurricane,
the
hurricane,
that
kind
of
devastated
the
East
code,
eastern
half
of
North
Carolina,
when
it
did
that
the
state
for
the
last
two
years
has
allocated
additional
tax
credits,
essentially
taken
them
from
the
West
Central,
and
what
we're
in
what's
called
the
metro
region
and
allocated
additional
credits
to
the
East
region.
My
guess
would
be
we're.
Now.
E
All
in
a
bit
of
a
crisis
when
we
write
the
rules
when
the
state
writes
the
rules
next
year
in
2021,
and
when
we
comment
on
those
rules
which
we're
not
it's
a
little
premature
to
do
that
I
think
we'll
want
to
make
the
comment
that
it's,
if
that
reallocation
is
no
longer
necessary
because
effectively
the
whole
state
is,
is
in
the
similar
boat.
That's
just
a
small
I
think
thing
we'll
want
to
advocate
for
it,
but
one
of
tasks,
1d
I
believe,
was
some
of
the
requests.
N
E
Reality
that
we're
in
the
tip
today,
those
are
just
some
of
the
past
learnings
we've
had
things
that
and
again
I'll
say
it
from
the
standpoint
of
we
would
like
the
federal.
If
we
have
gaps
on
projects
because
of
code,
nineteen
in
the
aftershocks,
we
should
look
to
the
federal
and
the
state
government
state
first
to
help
fix
those
problems,
because
they
are
really
federal
and
state
issues,
but
will
need
some
help
doing
that.
E
But
if
that,
if
any
of
those
are
kind
of
not
enough,
that's
when
there's
a
potential
that
deals
that
you
funded
in
the
past
and
they
have
funding
gaps
and
we
we
certainly
want
to
keep
affordable
housing,
development,
continuing
and
new
units
being
put
on
the
ground
because,
as
Fred
mentioned,
we'll
have
tremendous
demand.
So
actually,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
that
was
kind
of
for
us.
Those
two
slides
were
about
us
talking
and
kind
of
presenting
some
information.
E
Next,
two
slides.
We
have
a
really
about
discussion.
How
we
broke
it
up
was
and
the
the
final
slide
you'll
see
after
this
one
is
much
more
extensive.
It
was
Anna
we've
kind
of
mentioned
at
the
beginning.
There's
really
two
issues
that
in
our
1a
and
1b
that
work,
we
were
tasked
with
kind
of
making
recommendations
or
having
discussion
around
one
was
what
to
do
with
the
remaining
funds
from
the
2018
bond
referendum,
which
I
think
in
the
materials
you
got
in.
E
Your
packet
was
about
6.8
million
dollars,
but
then
also
probably
more
substantially
in
terms
of
discussion.
What
the
recommendations
would
be
around
how
to
use
the
funds
from
a
2020
bond
referendum
if
450
million
of
new
funds
so
to
us
those
were
two
different
to
some
degree
discussions,
one
very
short
term,
one
medium
to
long
term.
E
So
the
first,
if
you
go
back
one
slide
really
the
the
first
slide
before
this
is
really
about
I,
mean
I,
think
outside
of
Copan
19,
the
normal
course
of
city
business,
the
expectation
that
they
at
least
from
the
affordable
housing
development
community
would
been.
There
would
have
been
a
second
round
of
a
second
round
RFP
for
those
remaining
funds
in
the
housing
trust
fund,
without
getting
into
timing,
not
sure
the
timing,
but
that's
generally
how
we
have
moved
as
to
two
rounds
of
funds
a
year.
E
I
think
the
open
question
to
us
is:
is
that
the
right
thing
to
do
right
now
in
the
sense
of
with
the
6.8
million,
who
not
knowing
what
the
affects
gonna
be
on
existing
deals,
as
Fred
mentioned,
that
very
large
pipeline
of
units
that
you've
already
awarded
funds
to?
We
don't
yet
know
what
the
effects
gonna
be.
We
don't
yet
know
at
the
federal
and
state
response
will
be
the
open
discussion
and
is
really
what
should
we
use
those
6.8
million?
Should
we
hold
on
to
them?
E
Maybe
they'd
be
for
a
couple
of
months
to
see
what
the
effects
would
be
and
not
put
out
an
RFP
on
the
street
until
we
know
what
the
effects
on
phone
when
existing
deals
is
gonna,
be
and
know
kind
of
what
the
next
step
is
so
again
mentioned.
This
was
we
weren't
sitting
here
trying
to
make
recommendations?
We
wanted
to
create
some
some
room
for
discussion,
but
that's
kind
of
before
we
jumped
into
the
20/20.
E
A
You
very
much
friendly
for
that
for
that
presentation.
I
think
this
is
great
point
to
pause
and
address
that
first
question
that
you
laid
out
and
I'll
have
MS
Whiteman
this
kind
of
talk
about.
Historically,
what
we
have
done
in
reference
to
fund
balances
and
also
just
to
let
everyone
know,
there's
so
one
remaining
application
that
staff
is
still
working
through
in
ruffman's
to
pork,
hill
and
so
again
the
ball
was
squarely
in
the
developer's
court
in
terms
of
helping
us
get
to
the
finish
line.
A
K
Thank
You,
councilmember
Graham
in
terms
of
it
has
already
been
alluded
to
and
was
in
your
follow-up
material
I
think
miss
Johnson
asked
a
question
a
meeting
ago
about
what's
the
remaining
balance,
and
so
the
remaining
balance
in
the
trust
fund
account
currently
is
6.8
million
dollars.
Let
me
let
me
also
add
to
that
is
that
that
that
balance
may
increase
pending
either
the
award
or
not
or
the
successful
award
or
the
unsuccessful,
or
not
being
successfully
awarded
the
9%
credits
that
we
sent
up.
K
We
won't
know
that
exact
amount
until
August
when
the
state
will
make
the
awards
of
the
9%
so
that
balance
may
may
increase.
It
won't
go
down,
but
it
may
increase.
So
that's
where
we
are
for
the
balance
traditionally,
as
has
also
been
alluded
to,
we
would
pending.
We
had
money
and
the
council
agreed.
We
would
put
out
a
second
round
in
partnership
with
our
partner
list,
to
have
a
second
round
of
tax
credit
development,
so
that
speaks
to
directly
the
balance
and
to
what
we
would
traditionally
do.
K
We
have
not
had
a
discussion
at
this
point
about
the
second
round.
We
knew
that
the
task
force
was
doing
its
work
and
we
knew
what
we
wanted
to
talk
through
about
the
task
force.
So
we
wanted
to
hear
from
the
task
force
and
then
move
forward
about
what
we
do
in
terms
of
a
second
round
or
not.
Thank.
F
K
K
If
we
did
that
based
on
we
would,
we
would
obviously
right
reserved
the
right
to
pull
the
RFP
back
if
we,
if
we
need
it
to
and
the
developers
we'd
have
to.
Let
them
know
that
and
we
could
also
modify
language
based
on
kind
of
what
we're,
what
we're
learning
through
that.
So
what
what
that
might
mean
is
that
we
could
potentially
have
a
longer
RFP
process
than
we
normally
would.
B
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
I'd
say
that
we
and
Fred
did
a
phenomenal
job
of
presenting
the
current
state
of
affairs
and
how
the
state
tax
credit
program
impacts.
Our
ability
to
deliver
housing
I
have
a
range
of
comments
around
this
and
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
best
way
for
us
to
attack
this
is,
and
other
people
may
feel
the
same
way
so
I'm
not
sure
exactly
where
to
start
in
terms
of
my
remarks,
but
there
are
a
couple
of
things:
I
do
want
to
touch
on.
First.
B
Is
that
I
believe
that
the
tax
credits,
which
probably
are
not
really
fully
understood
by
most
citizens
in
terms
of
how
that
whole
process
works?
So
so
we
might
want
to
give
just
a
real
simple
from
ER
on
for
folks
to
understand.
Tax
credit
is
and
and
how
that
process
works,
maybe
not
right
now,
but
but
that's
something
that
we
should
probably
think
about
doing.
B
The
other
thing
is
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
how
the
trust
fund
dollars
can
be
used
for
immediate
impact,
and
the
second
round
of
funding
for
potential
development
projects
is
obviously
one
thing,
but
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
we're
talking
about
units
that
will
likely
deliver
in
two
to
three
years
from
now
with
those
dollars.
So
these
are
not
immediate
impact
kinds
of
activities
that
we
can
use
those
dollars
for
so
I
would
want
us
to
be
looking
at
what
other
uses
can
we
make
of
the
remaining
trust
fund
dollars?
B
One
of
them
was
on
the
uncertainty
in
the
market
and
how
that's
going
to
lead
to
fewer
units,
and
it's
primarily
based
on
the
notion
that
investors
are
going
to
be
apprehensive
about
assuming
risk
related
to
these
development
projects.
So
I
think
one
of
the
things
our
task
force
should
be
considering
is
what
can
the
city
do
to
help
offset
those
reasonable
risk
to
sort
of
mitigate
those
risk
for
investors?
B
B
The
other
thing
is
that
we
we've
talked
about
there's
going
to
be
a
need
for
affordable
housing
that
will
increase,
because
occupancy
will
remain
high.
I
think
that
there's
going
to
be
some
vacancy
impact
on
existing
units,
some
of
that
vacancy
will
come
from
evictions.
We
saw
that
there's
some
18-hundred
in
the
pipeline
now
with
sexual
evictions.
Don't
know
that
all
of
those
or
how
many
of
those
might
fall
into
our
affordable
categories,
but
we
ought
to
be
looking
at.
How
do
we
match
vacancies
to
current
vouchers?
B
So
we
have
voucher
holders
and
I'm
talking
about
the
Housing
Choice
vouchers
that
are
out
there
now
where
people
are
searching
for
units
and
they
have
vouchers
and
those
vouchers
will
expire.
So,
though
I
believe
we
need
to
be
looking
at
what
mechanisms
we
might
meet
need
to
be
able
to
put
in
place
that
can
facilitate
that
matching
of
vacancies
to
vouchers
and
then
my
last
point
and
I'll
stop
talking
here.
B
A
K
K
Is
the
City
Council
in
terms
of
your
comment
about
immediate
impact
recently
implemented
an
OA
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing
program,
and
that's
really
good
too
in
terms
of
having
an
immediate
impact
and
preventing
gentrification
if
you
will
or
displacement
so
the
council
just
want
to
provide
credit,
has
awarded
Housing
Trust
Fund
toward
Noah,
that's
the
the
rehabilitation
of
existing
units
and
then
to
the
point.
You
may
also
made
a
very
good
point
in
your
email
about
vouchers.
K
The
housing
trust
fund
developers
are
folks
receiving
housing.
Trust
fund
dollars
are
required
to
take
section
8
vouchers,
as
opposed
to
where
the
market
rate
the
developer
doesn't
have
to,
but
folks
receiving
housing
trust
fund
are
required
to
take
the
Housing,
Choice
vouchers
and
other
types
of
voucher
programs.
So
your
points
are
well-taken.
We
can
get
information
on
the
the
housing
tax,
credit
kind
of
101
for
you
and
then
also
the
the
number
of
units
that
are
in
the
pipeline
and
their
delivery
schedule.
K
E
One
or
two,
not
all
of
mr.
Lindsey's
questions
and
I
appreciated
the
email
as
well
with
some
comments.
I'll,
probably
just
focus
on
one,
which
is
to
say
our.
We
don't
have
any
exactly
relevant
experience
to
to
what's
coming
one
today,
anyone
does
but
the
shock
of
20th
2008
or
set
the
Great
Recession
was
pretty
amazing
and
what
I
would
say
is
we
didn't
see
a
huge
effect
on
vacancy,
but
the
demand
is
so
huge,
even
as
we
may
have
transitions
and
I
think
our
goal.
E
Some
of
the
other
discussions
we're
gonna
have
with
other
tech
groups,
is
how
to
keep
people
in
their
houses.
We
will
have
certainly
some
turnover
the
we
have.
We
did
not
see
really
any
effect
on
vacancy.
We
stay
basically
fully
occupied
and
I.
Think
that's
a
lesson
for
how
much
demand
there
is
and
to
your
point
as
well,
because
we
take
section
8
vouchers
at
all
of
our
properties.
E
This
is
the
place
where,
if
you
have
a
voucher,
you
can
use
it.
So
what
I
would
caution
is,
and
whatever
steps
we
do,
we
make
sure
that
medium
and
long
term
production
continues,
because
those
are
the
units
that
the
city
finances
are
the
ones
that
are
there
is
demand
for
and
they're
the
ones
that
are
gonna.
Take
rental
subsidies
such
as
vouchers
so
but
I
didn't
appreciate
all
of
the
comments
and
if
others
want
to
send
comments,
we
will
take
them.
E
A
H
A
Is
such
a
great
comment
and
that's
actually
within
our
work
plan,
that
we
will
be
taking
a
look
at
city
owned
wine
for
the
possible
production
of
affordable
housing,
in
addition
to
other
publicly
held
that
could
serve
the
same
purpose,
so
that
is
on
our
work
plan
and
I.
Think
that
I
look
forward
to
that
conversation
I
think
it's
it's
needed
to
move
us
forward
with
Cummings.
A
J
J
There
are
three
hundred
ninety-six
families
seeking
at
the
policy,
and
our
board
has
increased
the
amount
of
time
that
a
seeker
has
a
secret
somebody
who
has
a
voucher
and
who
is
looking
for
a
landlord
who
will
take
that
mountain
and
buy
increased
amount
of
time
that
a
family
can
search
for
a
place
to
use
that
voucher
penta,
the
inability
for
families
to
find
a
place
to
use
that
doctor.
So
the
points
are
well-taken
about
the
vouchers.
J
The
other
things
that
I
would
like
to
add
is
as
it
relates
to
on
our
deals
in
the
world
of
development.
If
we
don't
have
a
full
complement
of
funding
sources
and
commitments,
we
can't
close
on
our
financing
and
begin
the
construction
on
units.
So
so
you,
it
really
isn't
a
an
immediate
impact
when,
when
there
is
funding
or
gap
funding
that
is
needed
for
these
yields
to
make
it
to
the
closing
table.
J
A
A
G
G
I
know
it's
going
to
take.
Even
they
take
a
long
time
for
that
to
come
back
in
north,
my
forever
does
but
it,
but
if
we
can
get
a
state
tax
credit
and
that
will
help
with
gap
building,
just
just
as
a
house
of
trust
fund
to
make
more
portable
housing
possible.
So
that's
one
third,
that
out
there
is
something
that
we
may
be
able
to
advocate
for
the
long
term.
A
You're,
absolutely
right,
Fred
and
I'm,
making
a
listing
of
all
the
work
that
we're
going
to
turn
over
to
councilmember
Braxton
in
terms
of
these
end
of
government,
Relations
Committee
and
of
their
task
to
go
to
Raleigh
and
and
the
Fed
for
issues
that
the
city
are
really
concerned
on.
So
there
are
a
number
of
legislative
issues,
that's
or
the
fix
that
we
need,
and
so
obviously
I
will
be
having
a
conversation
with
Braxton
and
his
co-chairman,
then
in
the
mirror,
regarding
how
we
move
forward.
A
D
Yeah,
thank
you
because
it's
a
great
discussion,
I
I,
do.
The
only
point
that
I
want
to
put
in
here
and
request
is
that
we
do
look
at
this
remaining
trust
fund
dollar
from
a
needs
perspective,
I
know
a
lot
of
discussions
and
immediately
so
has
been
about
financing
and
investment
and
and
in
the
market.
D
So,
as
we
look
at
these
these
last
remaining
funds,
we
know
we
have
immediate
need
of
the
four
fourth
segment
of
the
population
that
the
Housing
Trust
one
has
third
very
well,
and
those
are
the
folks
that
need
50%
below
ami.
We
know
folks
that
nature's
transitional
housing
and
supportive
housing
so
as
we
go
forward
if
we
do
put
out
another
RFP.
D
If
we
do
that
quickly,
I
would
like
to
use
that
to
urge
the
market
to
come
up
with
solution
that
are
maybe
outside
of
the
box
that
haven't
been
done
before,
but
that
really
do
speak
to
that
that
Ament
need
for
the
50%
below
that.
Don't
really
fit
those
traditional,
low-income
housing.
Tax
credit
deals
that
we
enter
into
I'm.
A
In
full
agreement,
but
the
council
member
on
that
point
in
terms
of
SRO
transitional
housing,
working,
50%
below
I,
think
you're
absolutely
right
and
willing
to
work
with
you
on
that
as
well.
We
got
one
more
slide
from
Fred
and
Lisa
list.
Take
a
look
at
that
slide
and
then
we'll
continue
to
move
forward
friendly.
E
Yeah
so
as
that
comes
up,
I
think
what
you'll
see
in
this
last
slides
the
last
slide
was
really
about
the
2020
housing
trust
fund,
that
question
of
half
of
the
uses
and
and
and
what
kind
of
recommendations
we
want
to
make
about
the
uses
of
the
2020
trust
fund.
But
what
you'll
see
is
a
lot
of
the
issues.
Some
of
these
we've
talked
about
one
here
and
our
real
purpose
in
this
was
to
present
some
of
the
questions.
E
E
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
long-term
permanent,
affordable
housing
while
leveraging
other
federal
state
and
private
funding
so
trying
to
for
every
dollar
spent
from
the
trust
fund
under
leverage
that
with
four
or
five
dollars
of
other
funding.
So
that's
really
the
traditionally
been
and
I
know.
That's
broad
I
didn't
try
it
with
that
statement,
didn't
try
to
get
in
Rennell
versus
home
ownership
or
a.m.
E
I
think
would
be
great
because
how
much
there
is
left
of
the
private
funding
availability,
the
50
million
of
private
funds,
how
much
is
left
to
be
allocated
plus
whether
there's
any
plans
before
additional
private
financing
will
help
determine
the
goals
of
the
trust
fund.
Because,
as
someone
said,
the
trust
fund
does
have
some
statutory
bounds,
that
private
funding
doesn't
have
that
they
have
their
own
balance
and
those
two
things
should
work
together.
E
So
I
think
understanding
how
those
two
things
work
together
is
important
and
then
the
last
three
bullets
are
really
about
the
discussion
we've
started
to
have,
which
is:
how
should
the
funds
be
used?
I
will
make
the
point.
Jumping
ahead
am
I
too
councilmember.
Winston's
point
I,
think
some
people
don't
realize
sometimes
what
the
trust
fund
does.
So
the
the
council
put
a
heavy
emphasis
in
the
last
referendum
in
the
last
set
of
RFPs
on
serving
folks
at
30%
AMI,
and
so
the
the
developments
that
have
been
approved
overlap.
E
Have
had
a
mix
of
30%,
ami
50
and
60%
ami,
and
now
you
have
an
80%
ami
they've,
become
truly
mixed
income,
while
also
serving
folks
at
the
lowest
30%
ami.
And
so,
while
the
tax
credit
program
focuses
on
60%
ami,
we
are
serving
30
and
60.
The
idea
of
serving
50
is
not
a
wouldn't
require
a
great
change
anytime.
You
change
the
ami,
it
does
change
the
financing
mix,
but
it
isn't
a
huge.
You
know.
E
Those
are
think
priorities
that
the
council
can
put
on,
and
so
one
of
the
open
questions
to
us
is:
is
that
preference
for
30%
of
images?
We
continue
to
have
that
as
a
preference
going
forward,
but
also,
as
you
look
at
other
uses,
if
you
start
to
look
at
home
ownership
as
a
possible
use
one
of
the
a.m.
eyes
you
would
like
to
serve
home
ownership,
so
I
know
I
had
a
conversation
with
Laura
Belcher.
I
sat
on
the
habitat
board
as
I
sat
on
that
board.
E
I
think
people
would
be
surprised
to
know
that
they
are
serving
folks
through
home
ownership
at
50
and
60%
ami
lower
than
people
think
many
that
home
ownership
usually
serves.
So
there
is
a
there
is
an
ability
to
serve
folks
at
lower
am
eyes,
and
so,
if
you
decide
to
use
your
Housing
Trust
Fund
for
home
ownership,
just
like
the
rental
developers
have
been
asked
to
serve
30%
of
ami.
Are
you
gonna
push
them
up?
You
know
people
that
build
for
sale,
housing
to
serve
30,
50
60.
What
am
I
czar?
E
So
these
to
some
degree-
and
you
know
the
last
point-
I
want
to
make
and
it
goes
to
why
supportive
housing
is
listed
under
tons
both
in
Nuka,
know,
I,
think.
The
other
thing
people
don't
probably
realize
is
fred
can
speak
to
this
at
Laurel
Street
at
the
Housing
Partnership,
and
certainly
at
Connie
at
within,
live
Ian
the
development
we
build
almost
every
developer.
We
have
has
also
partners
with
folks
with
that
have
rental
assistance.
So
we
partner
with
Charlotte
family
housing,
we
use
Vash
vouchers.
E
We
use
section
8
vouchers,
we
partner
with
the
state
of
North
Carolina
through
the
key
program
to
serve
folks
with
disabilities.
The
trend
over
the
last
10
or
so
years
has
been
not
to
build
dedicated
transitional
housing.
It
has
been,
how
do
you
build
supportive
housing
within
permanent
housing?
So
many
of
us
have
supportive
housing
units
within
our
traditional
mixed
income
tax
credit
development.
E
So
the
tax
credit
program,
I
think
serves
more
folks
than
people
realize
through
various
programs
and
layering
of
financing,
but
I'll
stop
talking
for
a
minute,
because
I
think
our
purpose
in
putting
up
this
live
was.
These
are
the
kind
of
feedback
we'd
love
to
hear
from
the
committee.
As
to
as
you
look
at
this
list
of
of
considerations,
what
are
some
ratios?
We
want
to
bring
forth
for-
and
this
is
really
this
could
focus
on
the
remaining
Mountain
this
in
the
2018,
but
even
more
so,
and
what
we're
gonna
do
in
2020,
I.
A
Think
it's
a
great
slide,
I
think!
That's
that's
why
I
kind
of
sums
up
where
we
are
in
terms
of
having
a
meaningful
discussion
and
answers,
some
questions
that
we
need
to
answer
from
the
the
task
force
and
comments
that
we
would
like
to
receive
from
the
community
at
large.
In
terms
of
all
five
of
these
points,
and
so
it's
a
it's
1:15,
let's
open
it
out
for
the
the
task
force
to
weigh
in
on
some
of
these.
Obviously
we
don't
have
to
answer
all
these
questions
today.
A
I
will
be
working
with
Fred,
Lee
and
Miss
Lightman
regarding
trying
to
have
some
type
of
public
hearing
and
identify
individuals
from
the
community
to
come
before
the
task
force
as
well
to
kind
of
help
us
shape
and
frame
this
discussion
prior
to
Lee
and
Fred,
and
the
task
force
kind
of
putting
together
our
final
recommendations.
In
terms
of
how
they
move
forward,
so
I
will
pause
and
just
open
to
the
to
the
task
force.
Members
and
callin
on
my
favorite
council
member
of
council
member
Johnson
I.
C
I'm
totally
in
support
of
support
of
one
of
the
things
about
affordable
housing.
The
goal
is
for
it
to
be
a
break
or
for
it
to
be
a
stepping
stone
and
in
order
to
break
those
cycles
and
and
be
economically
fallen
and
upward
is
to
get
the
supportive
services
that
are
needed.
I
think
it's
very
important
for
us
to
consider
our
dollars
for
supportive
housing.
However,
we
could
make
that
work.
C
I
also
would
like
to
know.
We
know.
We've
heard
the
statistics
that
there's
a
thirty
thousand
unit
deficit
for
affordable
housing
or
some
somewhere
in
that
range
and
I
wanted
to
know.
If
anyone
on
this
task
force
knows
the
breakdown
as
we're,
considering
the
need
where's
the
greatest
needs,
which,
which
income
level
is
that
the
thirty
percent,
if
it
fifty
percent?
So
if
we
could,
just
if
we
knew
the
breakdown
or
could
identify
the
need,
then
that
would
help
us
in
creating
solutions.
I
think.
A
That's
a
very
good
point:
council
member
Johnson
and
I,
like
you.
I
too,
am
very
optimistic
about
the
task
force
and
they
council
really
kind
of
understanding
that
continuum
of
need,
starting
with
homelessness
and
working
our
way
up
to
eighty
percent.
But
obviously
the
focus
ought
to
be
in
supportive
housing,
I'm
very,
very
interested
in
SRO
housing.
A
Any
other
questions
from
task
force
members
again,
but
they
have
to
answer
all
the
questions
today.
I
would
encourage
everyone,
though,
just
as
commissioner
Lindsey
has
done
in
a
citizen
of
Mary
Kelly
has
done
if
there
are
any
comment
suggestions,
please
for
them
to
if
you're
a
task
force,
member
to
Lee
and
Fred
directly
CC
miss
Wyman.
So
we
can
make
sure
that
staff
is
there
to
support,
thread
and
lead
to
them
directly
about
that
last
slide,
where
we
should
be
going,
how
would
you
get
there
the
a.m.
eyes,
etc
and
there's?
A
And
if
there
are
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
comment,
please
send
that
email
directly
to
me
see
see
miss
rhyming
and
we'll
make
sure
that
Fred
and
Lee
receives
them
that
as
well
and
again,
we'll
be
talking
about
with
friendly.
In
terms
of
how
do
we
get
public
input
in
terms
of
how
we
move
forward,
and
this
will
kind
of
help
us
shape
the
next
meeting.
A
A
So
if
there's
not
any
questions
dan
is
your
homework
friendly
needs
warrants
imp
it
from
our
task
force
members,
so
please
email
them
call
them.
What
we
want
to
do.
What
I
like
to
see
is
for
us
to
be
very,
very
innovative,
out-of-the-box,
forward-thinking,
progressive
in
terms
of
what
we
do
I
want
to
make
whatever
we
do
is
a
national
model,
and
so
here's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
really
to
reshape
what
we're
doing,
and
you
guys
are
first
off
at
that.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
for
that
friendly,
very
good
presentation.
A
Thank
you
again
and
I'm
almost
certain
that
your
inbox
will
be
filled
all
right,
so
we're
going
to
pivot
to
lead
updates
all
right.
So
this
is
not
a
time
for
you
to
talk,
30,
40
minutes.
You
don't
have
to
talk
at
all
if
you're
a
lead,
but
we
just
wanted
some
space
on
the
agenda.
For
you
to
say,
hey
this
check
in
with
us
hey
we
started
working
hey
this.
Would
we
have
any
questions
so,
if
you're
a
lead
and
you've
wanted
to
just
make
a
one
or
two
minute
commercial?
A
You
can
at
this
point,
if
you
have
nothing
to
add
at
this
point,
that's
fine
too.
We
just
wanted
to
kind
of
create
some
space
on
the
agenda
two
one
to
let
you
know
that
we
are
doing
forward
thinking
about
our
agenda
and
to
encourage
all
our
leads
to
begin
working
on
their
portion
of
the
agenda
based
on
the
timeline
that
we
approved
at
the
last
meeting.
So
any
leads
who
want
to
jump
in
right,
quick!
You
can
two
minutes.
H
Gender,
diverse
and
so
I'll
be
looking
for
a
couple
more
folks
who
so
we
can
have
a
balance
of
ladies
and
men
in
this
focus
area,
but
we're
moving
quickly.
We
most
of
us
were
on
the
call
on
mic
or
Tuesday
I
believe
with
judge
best
and
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
very
concerned
about
the
courts,
reopening
and
the
backlog.
You
saw
the
update
in
the
notes
that
there
are
1800
evictions
right
now
at
the
mattress
state
level.
H
There
144
at
the
district
court
level
and
we're
going
to
need
lots
of
different
creative
and
innovative
ideas
for
how
we
move
through
that
and
how
we
ensure
that
there
are
spareness
and
balance
and
justice
and
that
tenants
rights
are
upheld
and
that
no
one's
laws
or
rights
gives
triumphs,
get
trampled
as
we
try
to
rush
the
get
dockets
dispensed
with
so
with
that
I
will
yield
the
rest
of
my
time
to
Mary
Williams,
hopefully
we'll
get
to
her
presentation.
Thank.
A
You
Thank
You,
Kim
I
saw
the
emails
going
back
and
forth
in
terms
of
the
work
that
your
committee
is
doing
thus
far.
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
the
leadership
on
that.
That's
exactly
what
we
were
expecting
for
the
leads
to
do
to
kind
of
get
more
people
involved
and
get
the
best
thinking
from
the
community.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
you've
done
thus
far.
Miss
Cummings.
F
F
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
agreed
to
do
is
put
together
a
survey
to
go
out
to
community
partners,
as
well
as
based
organizations
to
try
to
quantify
the
need
and
also
gather
information
and
some
color
commentary
around
what's
going
on
in
the
community
and
what
they're
seeing
the
other
thing
that
they
did
address
earlier.
Is
we're
going
to
look
at
the
Housing
Choice
vouchers
and
see
if
there's
an
opportunity
there
to
if
money
put
that
help
the
speakers
and
appoint
opportunities
for
the
seekers
to
find
some
solution.
F
The
other
thing
that
we're
looking
at
is
the
national
Low
Income
Housing
Coalition
has
a
great
website
where
they
have
other
examples
of
what
other
municipalities
are
doing
in
response
to
Kovach
release.
So
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
a
couple
of
those
different
initiatives
as
well
and
we'll
definitely
welcoming
feedback.
Anybody
have
any
recommendations
for
us.
We
love
to
hear
it.
A
B
Just
briefly,
I've
been
working
on
identifying
subject
matter.
Experts
there's
a
little
bit
further
down
the
road,
but
it's
very,
very
broad.
So
part
of
the
challenge
is
it's
kind
of
wrestled
to
the
ground,
the
kinds
of
things
that
can
get
done
immediately,
but
a
very
good
input
from
the
National
Association
of
Realtors
from
real
estate
building
industry
coalition
locally,
at
a
touch
base
with
those
folks
will
be
reaching
out
to
the
home
builders,
individual
land
planners
and
obviously
City
Planning
is
on
my
list.
B
Hopefully
they
will
be
expecting
to
hear
from
me
Teemu
and
then
we've
also
I've
also
reached
out
to
some
other
industry
organizations
like
the
tiny
home
industry
association
to
get
input
from
them
so
have
received
a
fair
amount
of
good
resource
material
thus
far,
and
at
this
point
we'll
be
working
on
a
actual
plan
of
operation
for
kind
of
how
we
go
about
this
right
now.
The
focus
in
my
mind,
is
going
to
be
on
looking
at
the
barriers
that
are
hindering
innovation.
B
A
I
So
clearly,
we
are
underway
doing
our
work
in
homelessness.
People
are
knocking
at
our
door
in
a
system
every
day,
but
we're
also
moving
people
into
permanent
housing,
so
working
really
really
closest,
with
our
continual
care
governance
group
had
a
meeting
with
our
leadership
this
week.
The
continual
care
governance
group
is
a
great
concept.
There
are
people
in
this
community,
including
representation
from
the
city
and
the
Veterans
Administration,
so
we
are
really
working
on
doing
a
great
job.
I
A
You
miss
Matson
ken
thanks
all
the
leads
for
really
embracing
the
challenge
that
we
gave
you
and
everyone
has
been
really
communicating
there
very
effectively
and
efficiently
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
I'm
in
the
loop,
as
well
as
miss
Wyman
and
again,
the
the
the
leads
and
the
breaking
it
up
is
section
is
working
directly
according
to
how
appliance
so
we
wouldn't.
We
want
to.
Thank
you
guys
for
that
for
your
work.
So
we
have
some
quick
notes,
one
in
particular
councilmember,
Winston
and
others
attended
virtually
the
meeting
of
the
ports.
A
They
heard
some
discussions
relating
to
the
City
of
Charlotte
community
relations
and
a
mediation,
and
so
he
requested
that
we
would
communicate
with
community
relations
and
ask
them
to
come
to
the
taskforce
to
give
us
just
maybe
a
5-7
minute
presentation
on
that
scenario
in
terms
of
mediate,
mediation
regarding
the
evictions
and
the
hotels,
etc,
and
so
I
will
turn
the
meeting
over
to
mrs.
Williams.
Thank
you
for
coming
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
your
presentation.
M
Good
afternoon,
I'm
excited
to
be
with
you
today
to
share
information
on
mediation
in
the
dispute
settlement
program
or
what
we
call
a
DSP.
It
is
a
visit
program.
Division
of
the
city
of
Charlotte's,
Community,
Relations,
Department
and
I
will
put
an
overview
and
we'll
have
time
at
the
end
of
my
presentation,
to
answer
your
questions.
Next
slide.
Please
permission.
Community,
Relations
and
powers
collaborates,
engages
and
promotes
opportunities
to
create
positive
outcomes
and
community
relations
has
been
an
integral
part
of
the
human
relations
support
system
for
the
City
of
Charlotte
Mecklenburg
County.
M
50C
no
contact
orders
and
we
also
do
Medicaid
appeals.
We
also
receive
what
we
call
self
referrals
which
address
roommate
issues,
conflicts
within
churches
and
other
civic
organizations.
The
program
does
not
mediate
any
domestic
violence
cases,
felony
offenses,
child
custody
or
separation
or
divorce
next
slide.
Please.
M
Next
slide,
please
thank
you.
Our
partners
include
landlords
and
tenants
in
living
in
which
is
former
formerly
Charlotte,
Housing
Authority
homeowners
associations
and
in
the
court
system,
which
consists
of
district
court
judges,
our
magistrate's
or
district
attorney's
office,
our
public
defender's
office,
local
attorneys
and
the
Office
of
Administrative
Hearings.
We
also
receive
firls
referrals
from
our
partners
for
city
and
county
human
resources
and
Charlotte
Mecklenburg
residents
as
a
whole.
Next
slide,
please,
mediation
is
a
voluntary
process.
M
We're
disputing
parties
use
the
assistance
of
a
neutral
third
party,
which
is
the
mediator
to
assist
them
and
coming
up
with
a
resolution
that
will
be
mutually
satisfactory
to
the
parties.
The
mediator
does
not
act
as
a
judge,
they
don't
make
suggestions
and
we
cannot
provide
legal
advice.
The
mediator
opens
the
lines
of
communication
to
give
each
party
the
opportunity
to
discuss
their
issues,
their
needs,
their
interest
and
their
wants.
M
The
mediator
seeks
to
find
the
commonalities
between
what
each
party
has
discussed
and
then
walks
the
party
through
some
brainstorming
exercises,
where
they
in
generate
their
own
ideas
and
suggestions
to
create
to
resolve
their
own
dispute.
The
mediator
helps
the
parties
and
evaluate
the
options
they
have
identified
and
the
mediator
then
writes
up
the
agreement
that
has
been
reached
by
the
parties
next
slide.
Please,
landlord,
tenant
mediation
specifically
offers
opportunities
to
eliminate
the
communication
barriers
between
landlords
and
tenants,
and
it
also
provides
an
opportunity
for
landlords
and
tenants
to
work
together
problems.
M
Typically,
we
get
cases
such
as
rent
issues,
security,
deposits,
property
dam
and
living
conditions,
there's
financial
assistance
for
repairs
and
tenants.
You
make
some
repairs
and
they
want
to
discuss
if
they
can
be
financially
I'll,
reimburse
for
those
and
then
other
conflicts
that
stem
from
the
landlord
tenant
relationship
next
slide.
Please.
M
Our
program
was
also
requested
by
live
Ian,
which
is
formerly
the
Charlotte
Housing
Authority,
to
hear
cases
that
are
eligible
for
a
hearing,
so
ban
hearings
offer
tenants
and
the
opportunity
have
their
complaints
heard
and
acted
upon
by
an
unbiased
panel
of
mediators
in
a
fair
manner
and
in
an
appropriate
time
period.
Next
slide,
please
despi.
We've
always
received
cases
from
district
court.
However,
the
judges
would
set
those
cases
aside
and
then
we
would
pick
them
up
contact
the
parties
and
then
the
mediation
will
be
scheduled
at
a
later
date
and
time.
M
This
process
was
successful.
However,
we
were
trying
to
find
ways
to
expedite
that
process
for
the
courts,
as
well
as
the
claims
themselves.
So
DSP
staff
began
a
pilot
project
of
going
into
the
courtrooms
to
offer
mediation
services.
However,
the
dockets
were
not
set
up
to
have
only
appropriate
cases,
so
the
process
was
a
little
slow
and
we
may
receive
a
few
cases
out
of
a
hundred
cases
on
that
day.
So
this
pilot
did
get
the
word
out
about
mediation.
However,
so
it
was
very
successful.
M
We
began
to
have
collaborative
meetings
since
then
with
key
court
personnel
and
with
the
legislative
changes
that
that
pilot
actually
culminated
into
what
we
have
now,
which
is
private
warrant
court
of
that
court
began
in
2012
and
we
were
starting
to
go
into
that
courtroom,
43:30
every
other
Monday
but
beginning
in
2014.
It
was
so
successful
that
the
district
attorneys
and
the
judges
asked
us
to
go
in
beginning
in
2014,
every
Monday
and
as
currently
we
are
currently
in
court.
M
Every
Monday
in
courtroom,
43:34
private
mart
court
matters,
which
are
your
simple
assaults,
you're
communicating
threats,
harassment
and
delight
next
slide.
Please
to
to
the
success
of
the
private
warrant
court.
We
were
approached
by
district
court
judge
to
begin
offering
mediation
services
for
50c
no
contact
cases
and
many
individuals
who
seek
a
50cc.
M
No
contact
order,
don't
meet
the
criteria
for
that
order,
but
through
mediation
they
can
still
sit
down
with
the
mediator,
discuss
their
concerns,
come
up
with
options
to
address
their
needs
and
help
parties
to
come
to
an
understanding
of
how
they
can
coexist
and
act
civilly
with
one
another
in
the
future
and
50c
began
in
2017
and
the
court
is
held
every
tuesday
in
courtrooms.
6330
next
slide,
please.
M
So
some
of
the
benefits
of
mediation
for
disputes
on
disputants.
I
have
an
opportunity
to
make
their
own
decisions.
As
I
said
earlier,
the
mediator
does
not
make
any
suggestions
or
judgments
and
in
the
disputes,
have
an
opportunity
to
have
an
open
dialogue
and
have
their
questions
answered.
It
can
be
an
avenue
to
receive
restitution
for
damages
or
losses.
Frequently
our
office
acts
as
a
pass-through.
So
if
the
complainants
and
the
individuals
have
an
issue
of
payment
arrangements,
they
can
go
through
our
office
and
we
can
assist
them
through
that.
M
If
a
case
is
resolved,
they
can
avoid
having
a
court
conviction
and
other
court
actions.
Pen
is
conducted
in
a
safe
space
and
it
is
confidential,
except
we
do
have
a
few
exceptions
to
the
confidentiality
rule.
Obviously,
if
we
hear
instances
of
child
abuse
or
neglect
or
if
someone
makes
a
threat
of
harm
to
a
party
inside
a
mediation
or
threatens
to
hurt
someone
when
they
get
out
of
mediation
or
abuse
or
neglect
of
a
disabled
adult,
we
would
have
to
send
those
to
the
proper
authorities,
but
everything
else
will
remain
confidential.
M
The
process
saves
time
and
clients
don't
have
to
keep
going
back
and
forth
to
court.
We
hear
that
a
lot
of
clients
maybe
lose
their
jobs
or
they
have
issues
for
their
jobs
or
they
have
issues
going
to
school,
because
they're
going
back
and
forth
to
court,
if
they
can
do
a
mediation,
is
resolved
successfully.
That
case
can
be
dismissed,
so
they
don't
have
to
keep
going
back
and
forth
to
court
next
slide.
Please
the
call
statements
to
the
court,
Mecklenburg
County
did
a
study
and
for
every
case
that
they
say
we
mediate.
M
M
Well,
then,
sorry,
if
you
can
go
back
one,
the
DSP
has
over
have
over
75
trained
volunteers
and
who
exist
are
set
up
with
mediating
conciliating
referrals,
and
we
have
a
wonderful
group
of
mediators
and
many
of
them
have
been
with
us
20
plus
years,
and
their
backgrounds
varies.
Some
of
them
are
entrepreneurs.
Some
of
them
are
in
the
education
field,
Social
Work.
M
Some
of
them
are
actually
in
the
legal
field,
but
when
they're
acting
as
a
mediator,
they
are
not
putting
on
that
legal
pad,
but
we've
been
very
blessed
to
have
a
great
group
of
mediators,
and
currently
we
have
over
75
with
our
program
and
according
to
the
independent
sector
in
value
they
value
our
volunteers
time
as
$25
at
forty
three
cent
an
hour.
So
in
2019,
our
volunteers
provided
three
thousand
nine
hundred
seventy
hours
of
service
which
equated
to
the
savings
of
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
M
D
Guess,
thank
you.
It
seems
like
we
already
have
the
program
that
is
set
up
for
a
tenant,
landlord
disputes
and
eviction.
I
guess
my
question
for
staff
would
be:
is
this
something
that
we
can
ramp
up
on
our
own
to
focus
on
eviction
mediation
and
what
does
that
ramping
up?
Look
like
I
guess
to
answer
that
we
would
need
to
know
the
needs
from
the
district
court.
So
I'd
like
us
to
you
know,
start
start
that
communication
see
how
we
prepare
for
that.
M
A
And
mr.
Weston,
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
just
have
a
periodically
update
from
Community
Relations
to
this
task
force
in
terms
of
what
they're
doing,
how
they're
doing
that
when
they're
doing
it.
So
we
can
make
sure
that
we're
informed
and
if
there
are
some
additional
direction
that
we
want
to
give
Community
Relations.
We
can
that
that
they
will
be
certainly
taking
the
lead
on
on
that
particular
scope
of
work.
C
What
I
would
like
to
see-
and
you
can
tell
me
if
this
is
possible
rather
than
waiting
until
this
goes
to
district
court,
because
especially
for
eviction
after
it's
filed,
we
know
that
it's
ended
and
it
creates
barriers
for
permanent
and
affordable
housing.
So
if
we
can
work
with
this
Apartment
Association
and
the
private
landlord
and
the
hotel
to
try
to
mediate
these
cases
before
it's
filed
for
eviction,
I
think
that's
going
to
help
us
so
much
and
help
the
community
so
much.
M
And
agree
and
we're
trying
to
get
the
word
out
about
our
services
that
we
can
do
them
prior
to
you
going
to
court.
We
can
take
complaints
before
they
even
reach
court
and
if
it
doesn't
resolve
sometimes,
unfortunately,
they
do
end
up
the
court
system.
But
we
basically
just
need
the
parties
to
agree
to
to
send
us
the
referrals
and
to
let
us
do
our
best
to
schedule
those
prior
to
prior
to
any
other.
Legal
action
can
get
them
to
resolved,
and
hopefully
they
won't
have
to
go
that
route.
M
M
It's
basically,
not
a
mediation
finish.
Really.
The
district
court
fee
that
they
have
allotted
back
towards
the
mediation
centers
to
do
more
training,
but
as
far
as
any
case
that
is
not
in
the
court
system
or
is
not
in
district
court,
does
not
have
the
CR
number
so
to
speak.
We
do
not
have
a
fee
for
those,
so
even
some
of
our
cases
that
come
to
the
magistrate's
office,
if
they
have
not
been
served,
those
cases
are
free.
H
A
A
You
so
we're
gonna
close
out
the
meeting,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
task
force
members
understand
why
I
heard
today
I'm
one
mr.
Lindsey.
We
will
try
to
communicate
publicly
about
tax
credits,
and
so
we've
got
that
noted.
Mr.
Winston,
we
have
created
a
parking
lot
of
items
all
that
are
government
related
in
terms
of
federal
legislation,
state
legislation
all
dealing
with
affordable
housing
that
we
will
be
circling
back
with
you
and
your
committee
to
help
us
address
at
the
appropriate
time.
A
We
will
find
the
appropriate
time
to
have
lists,
come
before
the
taskforce
and
make
a
presentation
regarding
the
private
funding
of
50
million
dollars
and
how
that
relates
to
the
city's,
our
Housing
Trust
Fund
dollars
and
how
those
dollars
can
be
utilized.
We
will
get
ballot
language
from
the
City
Attorney's
Office
in
terms
of
the
current
ballot
language,
as
the
states
today
and
she's
going
to
provide
her
report
in
writing.
So
we
can
have
that
as
a
guide
and
I
think.
That's
all
the
the
major
highlights
and
points
that
we
discussed
today.
A
We've
asked
the
task
force
members
as
well
as
members
of
the
public
to
communicate
directly
task
force
members
to
the
leads
on
section
1,
which
will
be
Fred
and
Leigh
regarding
any
I
their
suggestions
comments.
They
want
that
rec
from
the
general
public
to
do
the
same
by
sending
it
to
me
and
I'll
make
sure
that
Fred
and
Lee
gets
it
as
well
as
well
as
misalignment
I
think
we
had
a
really
really
good
meeting
today.
If
there's
anything
that
I
left
out
I'll
pause
at
this
time
to
hear
from
the
task
force.
Members.