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From YouTube: Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting of 7-12-22
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City of Chelsea
A
Hello,
this
is
tuesday,
the
12th
of
july,
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
I
am
janice
tatarca,
I
am
the
chair.
I
am
joined
here
by
john
de
priest
and
hector
velez,
who
cape
bus,
honest
and
joe
mahoney
hugo
peredomo
and
arthur
arsenault
we're
going
to
be
taking
things
a
little
out
of
order
today
so
because
we
have
a
number
of
continuances,
so
we
want
to
just
try
to
get
those
out
of
the
way.
So
the
very
first
case
we're
going
to
take
is
2022-11
156,
shaumot
street,
juan
gallego.
Is
there
anybody?
A
So
we
have
a
request
to
continue
that
one.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
continue
this
hearing
from
arthur?
Second,
joe,
all
in
favor
aye?
That
was
one.
Next
we
have
20
22
12
275,
washington,
ave,
marjalyn
grace.
We
also
have
a
request
to
continue
that
one
and
do
I
have
a
motion
arthur
second
joe,
all
in
favor
aye,
20,
22,
13,
30,
hillside
ave,
jay,
duka,
he's
here,
mr
duke
you're,
here
to
speak
on
this.
Please.
B
A
A
A
So
that
people
who
you
know
want
to
leave
can
leave
so
that's
why
we
try
to
take
care
of
those
early
on
the
next.
One
is
20
22,
15,
170
cottage
street,
the
neighborhood
developers.
They
too
have
requested
an
extension,
and
we
have
also
received
their
waiver
of
the
mandatory
time
frames.
Do
we
have
a
motion
arthur
joe
all
in
favor
aye
aye
continued
the
last
one
for
a
continuance
is
202208
307,
broadway,
concrete
garden
inc,
who
has
also
asked
for
a
continuance?
D
Sir,
so,
prior
to
our
meeting
with
the
planning
board,
there
was
actually
a
meeting
that
took
place
with
the
city
solicitor,
the
head
of
isd,
matt
mcateer,
as
well
as
my
landlord's
attorney
and
his
advisor
mr
duca.
At
this.
At
this
meeting,
an
agreement
was
reached
where
mr
mr
peach
agreed
to
shelve
his
lawsuit
against
the
city
in
an
act
of
good
faith.
To
so
that.
A
E
A
A
C
G
G
G
G
A
Thank
you.
Well.
People
you've
heard
that
here
are
your
thoughts
to
continue,
or
are
your
thoughts
to
take
this
we've
we've
talked
about
whether
or
not
giving
him
two
more
months
to
see
if
he
can
make
a
good
faith
effort,
mr
working
with
mr
peach
to
whoever's
going
to
remedy
those
somebody
has
to
remedy
these,
so
I
mean
you
know,
I
understand
what
he's
saying
and
I'm
willing
to
give
you
two
more
months
to
get
it
right
and
then
that's
it.
I
mean
that's,
that's
my
feeling,
my
personal
feeling,
okay,.
D
A
A
If
they're
not
a
list
provided
if
it's
not
a
in
my
my
opinion,
you
would
need
to
provide
meet
on
a
regular
basis
to
determine
by
john
or
whoever
the
appropriate
people
are
to
make
sure
that
the
you're
actually
making
progress.
And
then
it's
not
just
lip
service,
because
we
don't
want
to
waste
your
time
and,
quite
frankly,
we
don't
want
to
waste
our
time.
So
unless
you're
willing
to
be
pretty
stringent
about
this,
I
personally,
you
know
I'm
willing
to
give
you
the
two
months,
but
I'm
not
willing
to
give
it.
E
A
A
F
D
A
And
and
honestly,
you
know
again,
this
is
only
a
matter
of
acting
in
good
faith.
If,
in
fact,
what
happens
here
is
that
you're
receiving
lip
service
from
your
potential
landlord
or
person,
then
I
think
in
good
faith.
You
should
let
this
board
know
and
just
pull
out
before
you
know
you
you
can.
You
can
say
I
want
to
withdraw
this
if
you
find
that
you
are
not
getting
cooperation
from
the
owner
to
make
this
happen,
I've.
F
A
I
mean
that's
automatic,
we
will
not.
You
have
to
you,
have
to
submit
a
statutory
waiver.
Is
there
anything
that
we
can
do?
If
do
we
need
that
by
the
end
of
the
meeting
or
by
when
do
we
need
that?
Because
I
don't
want
to
why?
Don't
you
take
something
here
and
formally,
and
if
you
do
that,
then
we'll
talk
about
it
other
than
that.
C
B
B
I
I
had
on
my
laptop
and
from
looking
into
some
past
history,
the
code
violations
that
have
occurred
under
this
gentleman's
ownership
and
as
a
neighbor.
Everyone
knows
that
my
father's
baker
was
right
next
door.
We
saw
firsthand
what
some
of
these
violations
were,
we're
talking
about
repeatedly
illegally
renting
out
space,
both
in
the
back
of
this
building
and
upstairs
code
violations,
including
illegal
storage
of
flammable
materials,
not
having
proper
fire
suppression
systems
in
place.
I
Twice
the
police
went
into
that
building
because
once
again
illegally
renting
the
space
and
they
were
having
rave
parties.
That's
just
just
a
little
while
ago,
now
years
ago,
the
board,
both
the
planning
and
this
board,
threw
this
owner.
A
rope
said
here:
you
go.
Here's
your
opportunity
go
ahead,
build
15
apartments
above
the
storefront.
I
That
was
the
rope
and
he
never
bothered
to
go
forward.
He
didn't
do
it
for
whatever
reason
again,
I
don't
understand
you
know.
I
I
put
myself
there
as
a
saying
do
as
jesus
does
and
I
keep
on
wondering
imagine
what
if
I
roy
of
agenera
had
acted
like
this
gentleman
had
done
being
a
city
councilor
and
done
the
same
thing
that
this
guy
had
done.
I
Okay,
a
fire
could
have
happened.
My
brother
who
works
in
the
fire
department.
He
could
have
been
going
rushing
into
that
building
to
put
something
out
and
we're
gonna,
say
yeah
sure
doesn't
matter
we
we
know.
I
have
no
faith.
You
think
this
is
the
first
time
the
guy
has
been
brought
up
and
said,
here's
a
chance
to
fix.
Whatever
you've
been
doing,
I
mean
the
last
thing:
was
he
put
a
legal
fry
later
in
the
bottom
of
his
of
his
building?
To
offer
food
again
had
to
be
told
by
the
fire
department
in
isd?
I
Take
that
illegal
equipment
out.
You
don't
have
the
amp,
the
the
right
ansel
system
involved
and
you
can
start
a
grease
fire,
but
that's
the
kind
of
actions,
and
you
think
that
I
have
any
faith
that
somehow
this
gentleman
is
going
to
have
that
gentleman
turn
a
leaf.
And
why
are
we
going
to
benefit
that.
A
But
then
you
get
the
repairs
that
you're
looking
for,
because
we
know
from
what
you've
just
said
to
me.
Mr
peace
isn't
going
to
do
it
and
what
what
mr
peach
isn't
doing?
We
as
this
board,
don't
have
the
right
to
to
tell
him
to
do.
I
mean
we
can't
we're
not
an
enforcement
board
in
that
respect.
So
I
why
I
even
and
I'm
entertaining
this
personally-
is
because
if
this
gentleman
actually
says
the
heck
with
it,
he
might
not
pay
for
this
stuff.
A
But
I
will
because
I
want
this
business,
then
what
you
get
and
what
we
as
a
city
get
is
this
building
finally
repaired,
because
without
a
good
it
sounds
to
me
like
without
a
petitioner
or
a
a
tenant
willing
to
do
that.
It's
not
going
to
happen.
So
that's
the
only
reason
in
my
mind,
I
figure
it's
still
it's
worth.
I
I
Oh
well,
then
we
go
another
way,
but
why
allow
us
an
individual
to
to
financially
enrich
himself
by
having
someone
pay
his
rent
and
fix
his
building
for
him
when
you've
been
all
this
time
we
talked
I've
heard
so
many
activists
come
this
here
about
some
developer
building
way
too
high
way
too
big
and
oh
you're
making
money
on
the
backs
of
this
and
so
forth.
What?
But
this
is
okay,
that.
A
Is
okay?
I
mean
this
if
we
say
no
to
this
that
that
we
say
no
to
this,
that
it
doesn't
matter
to
me
as
a
board,
because
it's
still
going
to
have
those
violations,
and
I
have
no,
I,
as
a
board
member.
None
of
us
as
a
board
can't
sit
here
and
say
to
him:
go
fix
your
your
violations
for
your
your
electricity
code.
That's
not
what
we
do
or.
I
He
hasn't
done
it
or
you
say
to
him:
you're,
never
going
to
get
a
permit
from
the
city
until
you
fix
the
violations
on
your
own.
That's
what
why?
Should
it
be
the
gentleman
here?
It
should
be
the
property
owner
says
you
know
what
this
city
refuses
to
give
you
any
permits
at
all
until
you
fix
these
problems.
I
A
A
H
A
I
mean,
I
think,
what
what
we
would
be
if
we
denied
this,
then
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
I
would
like
to
deny
without
prejudice.
I
guess
because
we
want
to
give
him
the
opportunity
to
find
another
building.
I
mean
I
don't
know
that's.
This
is
a
procedural
question
here.
If
we
deny
this,
does
that
give
this
concrete
garden
the
ability
to
just
to
then
offer
say,
find
another
building
and
do
something
similar.
F
A
A
F
F
A
If
we
do
that,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not.
I
don't
want
to
punish
the
petitioner
and
for
bad
behavior
of
the
person
that
he
is
is
trying
to
enter
into
a
business
with.
So
that's
right,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
point.
So
so
that's
so
that's
the
issue.
You
go
it's
like
we.
We
could
give
him
the
extra
two
months
and
then
you
know
with
the
hope
that
you
know
he's
willing
to
take
on
the
burden
that
mr
mr
peach
refuses
to
take
on.
Roy's
made
a
good
point.
A
I
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
to
disagree
or
you
know
it's
a
totally
valid
point.
It's
really,
or
we
can
just
say
no
and
go
find.
Let
him
rather
than
wait.
Two
months
find
out
that
he
gets
no
cooperation
that
he's
needed
and
get
denied
in
two
months.
He
can
go,
look
and
try
to
find
someplace
else
now
so.
A
He
was
willing
to,
but
we,
but
that
is
just
that's
in
case
we
chose
to
extend.
We
have
not
made
a
decision
yet
so
he
we
couldn't.
I
would
not
propose
that
we
had
made
any
decision
to
continue
it
if
he
hadn't
prevented
presented
that
paper,
but
just
because
he
presented
the
paper
doesn't
mean
we
have
not
yet
made.
We
could
just
deny
it.
We
can
either
grant
a
continuance,
which
he's
now
waived
the
time
frame
on
or
we
can
deny
it.
F
A
A
So
I
mean
this:
if
you
withdraw
with
and
we
let
you
withdraw
without
prejudice,
then
you
could
potentially
continue
to
work
with
mr
peach
and
come
back
later
when
the
actual
work
is
done
and
you
can
come
back
with
the
same
exact
proposal.
Assuming
he's
met
all
his
his
his
burdens,
his
permit
burdens.
A
Say
no
and
which
point
you
could
say:
bye,
bye,
307,
we
don't
care
and
you
can
go
find
someplace
else
that
you
felt
that
you
can
we're
not
saying
no
to
york,
we're
not
saying
no
to
concrete
garden.
If
we
say
no
we're
saying
no
to
concrete
garden
at
307.
That's
all
we're
saying!
So!
If
we,
if
we
vote
to,
deny
it's
not
because
of
your
business,
it's
your
business
at
that
location.
A
A
A
A
Just
not
this
location,
you
withdraw
without
prejudice
and
if,
by
some
miracle
you
get
the
stuff
worked
out
with
mr
peach,
you
can
come
back
at
this
time
at
any
time,
once
the
stuff's
worked
out
with
him,
you've
got
your
work
done,
those
are
or
we
can
continue,
which
I'm
hearing
you
know
I'm
getting
an
impression
that
that's
going
to
be
more
difficult
than
I
originally
thought.
So,
okay,
it's
your
choice!
A
If
you
like
307-
and
you
think
you
can
get
mr
peach
to
do
what
you
need
him
to
do
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
then
you
can
withdraw
without
prejudice
and
then
come
back
to
us
with
all
of
your
freshly
met
permits
in
hand,
and
we
would
be
willing
to
hear
you
at
307..
You
could
come
back
to
us
next
month
to
be
exaggerating
them
or
you
could
come
back
to
us
next
month
at
any
other
address
in
chelsea.
D
A
J
A
E
A
Not
our
issue,
it's
whatever,
whatever
needs
to
be
taken
care
of,
as
if
it
is
properly
addressed,
then
we
will
hear
if
this
gentleman
comes
before
us
and
everything's
been
properly
addressed.
I
expect
we
will
hear
from
the
city
manager
and
from
mr
vanita
that
listen
miracles
have
happened,
we're
done,
but
that
it's
not
for
us
to
decide
what
those
are.
D
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
all
right
that
was
long,
but
thank
you
all
for
bearing
with
me
we're
going
to
come.
The
next
two
are
going
to
combine
22,
20,
21,
29
and
20
22
16,
because
they
both
deal
with
they're
two
parts
of
the
same.
You
need
a
minute
jojo.
Okay,
there
are
two
parts
of
the
same
case,
so
they're
both
deal
with
what
so,
if
you
guys
could
come
up
here,
mr
venue
is
somebody
here
for
mr
venue.
A
This
is
they're
both
dealing
with
146
150,
156
williams,
street
and
65
pine
michael
venue,
broadway
capital
development.
The
first
part
of
that
case
is
to
wave
of
a
community
improvement,
trust
fund
payment,
which
is
the
first
part
of
it,
and
the
second
part
of
that
is
to
for
a
variant
seeking
to
provide
affordability
at
three
units
at
three
units,
affordable
to
households
with
income,
so
a
very
changing
their
income
variation.
So
why
don't
you
introduce
yourself?
And
let's
address
the
first
part?
A
Wait
one
second
from
a
procedural
point
of
view:
do
we
want
to
actually
address
the
first,
the
latter
case
first
before,
because
the
the
waiver
is
sort
of
is
so
we're
gonna
we're
gonna.
Do
the
older
case,
the
waiver
part
segment,
we're
first
going
to
address
the
variance
request?
Okay,
okay,
because
it's
the
variance
of
quest,
that's
triggering
the
request
for
the
waiver,
so.
C
A
Don't
want
to
give
you
a
waiver,
and
then
you
don't
get
the
variance
so
that
wouldn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense.
So,
let's,
let's
deal
with
the
very
so
you
want
a
variant
seeking
to
provide
affordability
at
three
units,
affordable
to
households
with
income,
no
greater
than
60
percent
of
ami
and
17
units
affordable
to
households
with
income,
no
greater
than
100
of
ami
in
lieu
of
providing
at
least
three
units
at
80.
Ami.
F
L
L
A
L
A
A
A
G
Tommy
bracino
city
manager,
so
the
city
supports
both
the
variance
request
and
the
waiver
of
the
community
improvement
trust
fund
fee.
The
rationale
for
this
is
that
when
the
board
originally
approved
this
project,
it
did
so
consistent
with
the
existing,
affordable
housing
trust
fund
requirement
for
housing.
The
inclusionary
zoning
requirement,
which
is
three
units,
had
to
be
at
80
percent
of
ami
to
meet
our
affordability
requirement
for
a
project
that
had
20
total
units.
G
G
A
real
benefit
to
the
city
far
exceeds,
in
our
opinion,
the
monetary
value.
Now,
unfortunately,
it
not
only
requires
a
waiver
of
the
fee,
which
is
within
your
prerogative
under
our
zoning
ordinance,
and
we
advocate
for
that
it
does
require
a
variance.
Now.
I
will
argue
that
we
can
find
a
way
to
make
it
fit
the
narrow
confines
of
a
variance,
and
I
leave
that
to
the
imagination.
G
It's
it's
very
able
assistant
and
representative
john
to
figure
out,
but
that
is
the
underlying
rationale
for
this.
My
only
condition
of
this
waiver
is
that
I
want
to
make
sure
written
in
any
decision
on
this.
That
includes
both
the
variance
and
the
waiver
of
the
community
improvement
trust
fund
that
there
is
an
express
provision
in
there
that
says
any
change
in
this
from
home.
Ownership
to
rentals
is
recognized
as
a
major
modification
and
would
require
the
applicant
to
return
to
the
zba
for
further
public
hearing.
A
So
it
makes
sense
and
for
me
thank
you
because
that
clarifies
why
we
would
be
willing
to
waive
something
for
the
city.
You
know
it
seems
like
a
benefit
for
the
city,
but
the
city's
getting
an
equal
or
better
benefit,
which
is
probably
one
of
the
requirements
so,
okay,
so
we
can
try
to
talk
about
the
variance
and
see
if
we
can
get
it.
If
you
understand
okay,
so
and
john
we're
going
to
we
are,
we
can
be
a
tad
creative
on
this
one.
The
first
part
of
the
variances
is
sought
well.
A
A
A
I
don't
want
to
put
you
in
a
difficult
spot
to
answer
these
questions,
but
they
all
have
to
be
answered
in
the
affirmative
and
we're
often
willing
to
be
very
creative
in
how
we
do
that,
but
we
do
have
to
come
up
with
the
answers
for
it.
Okay,
so,
let's
think
about
this
people
together,
the
first
one
is
the
variance
is
sought
because
of
the
soil
conditions,
shape
or
topography
of
such
land
or
structure
and
especially
affecting
such
lander
structure,
but
not
affect
you,
but
not
affecting
generally
the
zoning
district
in
which
it
is
located.
A
So
the
building
is
the
building
the
proposed
building
is
the
proposed
building
that
hasn't
changed,
and
so
we're
not
what's
being
proposed
here
is
not
going
to
be
negatively.
It
needs
to
be
that
way
because
of
the
way
the
building
has
been
set
up.
I
mean
I
don't
yeah
I
mean:
do
you
understand
him?
Is
that
being
a
little?
Do
I
have
yes?
Do
we
think
that
that's
mine?
Does
that
make
sense?
To
you,
sir
say?
A
It
sounds
to
me
as
though,
if,
if
we
did
this
and
then
did
not
properly
give
him
the
waiver,
then
it
would
be
a
substantial
hardship
for
the
petitioner,
so
it
sounds
like
this
would
be
a
hardship
to
do
this.
He
wouldn't
be
able
to
go
forward.
If
we
do
this
without
any
other
issues
in
favor
number,
three
desirable
relief
may
be
granted
without
sub
substantial
detriment
to
the
public
good.
It
sounds
to
me
like
this
is
actually
a
benefit
to
the
public
good,
not
a
detriment.
A
A
A
F
A
A
A
Oh,
no,
wait.
We're
not
done
come
back,
so
that
leads
us
to
the
second
part,
which
is
the
2021-29,
which
is
the
waiver
of
the
community
community
improvement
trust
fund
that
part's,
not
a
public
hearing.
That's
just
where
that's
a
conversation
based
on
what
we
heard
lisa
and
we
know
what
the
intent
is
for
this
waiver.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
grant
this
waiver
joan
motion
to
grant
the
waiver
second
joe,
all
in
favor?
A
A
Okay:
next
one
is
202203
51
library,
street
pedro
florentino
for
special
permit
invariant,
seeking
approval
for
the
demolition
of
a
garage
structure
and
a
residential
structure
and
construction
of
a
five-unit
dwelling
structure
which
is
not
meet
the
minimum.
The
current
minimum
zoning
requirements
for
side
front
and
rear
yard
setbacks,
minimum
combined
side
yard
setbacks,
lot
size,
maximum
floor
area
ratio,
lock,
coverage
number
of
street
parking
spaces
located
within
five
feet
of
a
wall
containing
a
window
and
24
feet
required
aisle
with
not
maintained
throughout
john.
This
has
already
gone
to
the
planning
board.
F
N
N
There
were
concerns
primarily
about
the
bulk
of
the
building
and
proximity
to
the
lot
lines
and
beth
went
back
to
the
drawing
board,
redesigned
it
somewhat
and
what
she
did
is
left
the
first
floor,
as
the
original
plan
showed,
but
pulled
in
the
upper
floors
to
create
more
of
a
distance
between
the
abutters
and
the
condos
that
would
be
in
this
building
right
now
you
can
see
there
are
four
old
garages
and
one
single
family,
brick
building
that
actually
looks
like
a
garage
sitting
on
the
property.
It's
a
real
eyesore.
N
There
are
some
beautiful
houses
in
this
neighborhood
three
and
a
half
story,
three
deckers,
and
what
have
you
there's
an
apartment,
building
down
the
street
and
this
this
project
would
greatly
improve
the
neighborhood.
It
would
rid
the
neighborhood
of
the
eyesore
and
replace
it
with
a
beautifully
designed
building
with
color
and
different
shapes
and
angles
that
would
fit
in
beautifully
with
the
classic
victorians
and
also
present
a
modern
view.
N
The
intent
of
the
project
and
what
mr
florentino
is
trying
to
do
is
to
bring
families
into
chelsea
and
eliminate
some
of
the
transient
apartment
in
and
out
situation
that
the
city
is
not
totally
happy
with.
This
would
be
presenting
fairly
high-end
units
at
an
affordable
price
and
again
encourage
families
to
buy
and
stay
and
not
just
come
in
and
take
off
after
a
year
or
so,
but
again,
the
the
pulling
in
of
the
upper
floors
reconfiguring
the
parking
the
trash
it
will
be.
N
O
We
left
the
size,
the
footprint
as
we
originally
went
to
the
planning
board,
because
if
we
shrunk
it
anymore,
we
couldn't
get
the
cars
inside.
So
you
can
see
we
have
areas
for
trash.
We
have
parking
bike
storage.
This
is
an
egress
stair
that
comes
out
parking.
Two
parking
here,
handicap
space
here,
elevator
bike,
storage,
second
means
of
egress
and
we
have
three
cars
out
back.
O
Can
you
do
the
next
one?
Okay,
so
floors?
Two
and
three
complement
each
other.
We
have
a
two
bedroom
unit
here
on
the
front
side,
also
called
on
the
street
side.
On
library
side.
We
have
a
two
bedroom
on
the
back
side.
Each
of
the
apartments
has
private
deck
space
that
meets
the
requirements
on
floor
two
and
floor
three.
O
O
O
O
O
O
The
sides
are
boring,
so
this
is
the
rendering
that
we
did
where
it's
lighter
on
the
top,
where
it's
a
little
bit
more
glass
railing
and
then
cladbirds,
which
fit
into
the
neighborhood
decks
and
here's
the
parking.
We
have
wood
here
and
then,
like
I
said,
clabbers
on
the
other
sections
and
covered
decks,
they
would
be
covered.
These
are
covered.
We
could
also
cover
that
one
if
we
wanted
to-
and
you
can
see
so
the
side
setbacks
on
the
first
floor
are
about
three
and
a
half
feet.
O
O
O
The
idea
is
on
this
side
is
an
empty
parking
lot
and
then,
on
this
side,
there's
a
driveway
for
this
house
here
and
if
you
can
see
the
windows
of
this
house,
none
of
the
windows
align
because
you
go
up
half
a
story
to
get
into
the
neighbor
on
the
left,
and
so
when
you
look
at
how
the
windows
line
up
they
line
up
in
the
middle
of
the
other
window,
so
we
made
sure
that
the
windows
didn't
look
at
each
other.
The
neighbors
had
plenty
of
space.
O
O
Feet
five
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
garage,
so
that's
eight
feet
from
the
lot
line
to
the
living
space.
So
that's
how
we
kind
of
we
compromised
so
that
we
could
keep
the
parking
underneath
and
inside
and
then
we
step
back
all
of
our
living
space
to
get
the
requirements
for
the
side,
yard
setbacks
above
the
ground
floor.
O
O
C
K
O
A
O
O
A
P
O
F
C
C
O
Q
Q
Pedo
florence
and
I'm
the
owner
of
the
property,
tony
suero,
who
is
my
neighbor
and
good
friend,
had
an
easement
through
the
property.
At
one
point-
and
I
came
before
the
board
approximately
a
couple
of
years
ago,
because
we
made
an
agreement
basically
to
remove
the
easement
and
I
did
break
off
a
small
piece
of
land
in
exchange
for
removing
the
easement
for
the
anticipation
of
building
this
project.
N
N
N
A
A
Okay,
there's
nobody
who
wishes
to
speak
on
this
so
this,
so
I
think
it
looks
big
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing.
I
think
it
looks
big,
but
that's
my
thoughts
before
we
get
to
the
well.
I
guess
we
should
get
to
the
variance
requirements
first,
let's
even
because
if
we
can't
meet
those,
then
there's
there's
no
need
to
consider
so.
A
A
K
K
A
A
A
C
A
A
F
The
variances
for
the
minimum
watt
size
it
would
require
a
total
of
fifteen
thousand
at
three
thousand
per
unit.
The
minimum
lot
size
in
general,
which
is
ten
thousand
five
hundred
square
feet.
The
maximum
floor
area,
which
is
permitted,
is
one-
and
this
is
two
point
three
one.
The
minimum
front
yard
set
back
again.
Ten
feet
required.
One
foot,
ten
inches
proposed
maximum
side
yard,
a
quarter
of
the
building
height
approximately
nine
feet
as
proposed
the
maximum.
It's
about
5.2
feet,
minimum
radii
20
feet.
F
A
N
N
So
mr
florentino
has,
in
good
faith,
attempted
to
maximize
the
usefulness
of
the
lot,
and
while
this
transaction
eliminated
his
dependence
on
the
abutter,
it
hasn't
solved.
The
problem
that
the
petitioner
has
with
the
irregularly
shaped
lot
bottom
line
is
that
even
in
its
present
configuration
it's
not
possible
to
acquire
add
any
additional
land
to
satisfy
the
zoning
deficiencies
that
the
project
faces.
A
A
A
Do
we
agree
with
his
comment
on
that
that
that
justifies
the
variance
agreeing
with
the
ver
just
agreeing
with
the
variances
still
means
we
have
to
talk
about
the
special
permit,
I'm,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
go
through
the
variance
I
mean
the
he
any.
Any
variance
is
going
to
be
required
of
this
based
on
the
lot
line
the
size,
then
the
shape
of
a
lot,
no
matter
what
gets
built
on
this.
A
F
A
A
But
that's
not
actually
that's
not
the
question
I'm
asking.
Maybe
I'm
answering
it,
there's
two:
he
is
asking
for
a
vr
he's
asking
if
he
would,
if
what
he
stated
on
the
variance,
if
we
would
agree
with
this
makes
sense
it
does.
I
don't
know
say
that
I
agree
that
he
so
I
I
guess
maybe
we
just
talk
to
the
special
permit
first
before
we
get
to
that.
Let's
get
to
the
special
permit,
it'll
be
easier.
I
think
it's
too
big.
A
A
So
that
being
said,
I
think
that
before
we
even
get
to
the
variance
and
in
my
technical
discussion
of
it,
then
I
could
go
look
at
the
permit
and
say
that
I
I
do.
First
of
all,
we
have
to
have
a
motion.
Do
we
have
a
motion
on
this
case
for
the
permit
relative
to
the
special
permit?
Do
we
have
emotion,
you
can
make
a
motion
and
then
either
make
the
motion
the
negative
or
you
make
a
motion
in
the
positive,
then
vote?
No,
I
mean
it's
either
way.
A
A
motion
to
approve
it
and
if
you
don't
approve
it,
you
vote
no,
so
you
make
a
motion
to
hold.
There
are
two
way
you
make
a
motion
to
approve
it.
You
vote.
Yes,
you
make
a
motion
to
prove
it.
You
vote
no
or
you
make
a
motion
to
deny
it
and
vote
yes,
but
you
have
to
make
a
motion.
You
have
to
have
a
motion
that
we're
voting
on,
so
somebody
has
to
make
a
motion
as
to
whether
or
not
they
are
on
this
special
permit.
A
A
A
F
A
F
A
Okay,
let's
connect
the
next
one
up.
This
is
for
special
permit
and
variances
seeking
approval
to
establish
four
residential
units
by
constructing
a
second
floor
above
the
existing
commercial
space
which
does
not
meet
the
current
minimum.
Zoning
requirements
for
front
rear
and
side
yard
setbacks,
open
space,
lot,
size
number
of
off
street
parking
spaces
and
also
exceeds
maximum
density.
As
john
just
said,
the
planning
board
proved
this
with
conditions.
You
said,
john,
yes,
any
what
conditions.
A
Had
some
hispanics
issues
and
they
wanted
to
make
some
improvement.
Oh
you
guys
made
some,
so
I
don't.
I
know
the
planning
board
had
some
concerns
about
aesthetics,
and
so
you
proposed
you
made
some
changes.
So
why
don't
you
talk
us
update
us
on
what
has
happened
since
you
met
with
the
planning
board
or
since
you
met
with
us
last
okay.
N
N
N
Could
you
go
back
please
to
the
front
of
the
building
about
some
of
the
he
called
it
busyness
of
the
roof
overhang
and
the
decorative
part,
so
that
hasn't
been
done
yet,
but
the
petitioner
is
willing
to
to
consider
those
redesigns
in
conference
with
the
planning
board,
but
otherwise
this
was
pretty
much
the
final
plan
that
was
presented
to
the
planning
board
and
that
we're
presenting
to
you
there
would
be
four
small
units
above
well
right
now.
The
building,
as
most
of
you
know,
is
madeline
garcia,
real
estate.
C
E
N
But
again,
trying
to
maximize
the
use
of
the
building
it's
in
the
business
retail
district,
one
of
the
purposes
of
the
district
is
to
establish
residential
over
retail
and
office,
and
this
is
just
the
perfect
place
for
it.
When
you
look
at
the
projects
that
have
gone
up
around
it,
the
project
around
the
corner
on
washington
avenue
the
one
in
the
square,
where
two
stories
were
added
to
to
the
building,
I'm
not
sure
of
the
exact
address
it's
now,
partly
the
blue
building.
N
N
N
Briefly,
we
had
tried
to
establish
a
mutual
easement
with
torf,
really
just
preserving
the
status
quo.
The
way
it's
been
working
for
at
least
since
madeline
has
owned.
The
building
is
that
her
brokers,
whoever
else
comes
to
the
building,
can
use
the
torf
property
to
kind
of
back
over
the
property
line
and
exit
the
parking
lot.
When
torf
has
a
funeral
they're
free
to
park
cars
in
madeleine's
parking
area,
it's
just
been
a
very
neighborly
way
of
doing
things.
We
tried
to
memorialize
it,
it
didn't
work.
We
didn't
have
a
positive
response.
N
The
alternative
plan,
because
of
some
concern
originally
with
the
curb
cut
on
carry
ave,
was
to
make
the
parking
circulate,
where
no
one
would
have
to
back
out
onto
the
street,
but
it
just
seems
to
that.
The
better
configuration
is
to
have
the
two
spaces
in
the
in
the
aisle
there
and
there
are
no
windows
in
the
turf
building
there.
So.
N
R
Okay,
sorry-
and
I
just
like
to
make
a
correction
that
the
only
one
time
that
we
did
agreed
to
use
the
funeral
was
when
her
mom
passed
away
and
she
asked
if
it
was
a
big
funeral.
She
asked
if
she
can
use
my
entire
my
lot
as
well-
and
I
say
yes
so
that
happened
one
time
and
the
fence-
I've
always
kept
it
closed.
Sometimes
we
have
people
cross
around
and
so
for
the
most
part,
we
never
had
an
agreement
with
the
fence.
I've
always
kept
that
close
with
the
gate
is
what
I
mean.
C
H
S
Thank
you,
okay,
yeah
each
parking
space
is
nine
feet
wide
by
18
feet,
deep
standard
parking
stall.
You
have
two,
you
basically
have
the
width
in
that
gated
drive
aisle
for
that
parking
space
without
it
without
a
question.
There
are
no
windows
along
this
side
of
the
building.
Currently
we
would
have.
We
would
provide
a
24
foot,
backup,
backup
driving
aisle
for
the
parking
that
is
in
this
corner,
allowing
for
the
cart
to
basically
back
out
and
and
drive
out
along
an
18-foot
wide
driving
aisle.
So
john.
S
S
H
N
Two
spaces
in
the
aisle
the
original
parking
plan
provided
was
a
tandem
spaces
david.
There
was
enough
room
to
exit
through
washington
avenue,
but
we
all
sat
down
together
and
thought.
Well,
there's
all
that
space
in
the
aisle
behind
the
gate
and
two
cars
can
easily
fit
there
and
be
within
the
required
dimension,
the
dimensional
requirements
for
the
parking
spaces.
N
A
M
M
Our
biggest
concern
is
the
impact
having
an
apartment
building
is
going
to
have
on
the
business,
for
example,
it's
summertime.
We
all
do
barbecues
family
events,
and
I
didn't
quite
see
this
picture,
but
in
the
last
one
there
was
a
deck
overlooking
the
parking
lot
and
my
concern
is
people
up
there
having
a
great
time
as
they
should
and
that's
their
right.
However,
I
will
have
mourners
coming
in
and
out
of
my
parking
lot
as
that's
where
the
family
comes
through
and
often
other
friends.
M
M
At
this
point
it
would
actually
be
harmful
to
me
to
make
an
agreement
with
her,
as
there
is
no
way,
I
will
ask
a
family
member
to
move
a
car
during
a
funeral,
so
somebody
can
pull
in
and
out.
So
one
of
the
other
requests
that
we
had
is
if
she
is
granted
this
change
to
her
property.
Obviously
I
would
really
ask
for
a
large
fence
to
be
placed
number
one.
I
would
like
it
to
be
at
least
a
privacy
fence.
M
S
S
S
And
we
didn't
want
to
presume
putting
in
a
large
fence.
So
in
this
depiction
we
did
not
put
in
the
fence,
but
I
think
obviously
the
owner
is
is
saying
that
she
would
put
a
privacy
fence
there
and
she
actually
asked
me
to
address
your
concerns
about
some
of
the
people
on
the
roof
deck
which
we
were
adding
that
roof
deck
to
meet
the
open
space
requirement
for
residential
units
and
what
what
I
did
was
actually
took
out.
S
Okay,
currently
it's
designed
as
six
foot
eight
inches
tall,
so
just
just
at
a
door
height
the
smallest
door
height,
so
that
even
a
tall
person,
you
know
maybe
a
taller
person
can
can
be
seen.
But
that's
the
that's
the
intent
of
that
change.
That
particular
change
again.
I
just
want
to
stress
that
we
put
in
I
mean
again,
madeleine
wants
to
do
the
best
thing
and
to
improve
the
city
landscape
as
well,
as
you
know,
put
into
a
nice
link
to
this.
M
Again,
amy
tor
feinberg.
I
guess
my
questions
as
well,
for
the
board
or
for
madeleine
are
number
one.
Obviously,
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
noise
in
the
outside.
I
don't
know
what
the
laws
are
with
that,
but
obviously
concerned
about
that
with
having
a
professional
business
next
door
and
also
if
the
board
does
agree
to
grant
her
her
petition.
I
would
like
to
ask
that
she
be
required
to
place
you
know
an
eight-foot
fence
in
the
parking
lot
designating
her
side
and
the
tour
funeral
service
side.
E
T
T
I
always
drove
down
and
said
why
so
many
funeral
homes
as
a
child
right-
and
that
was
my
my
backyard
per
se
with
my
bike,
but
I
also
want
to
say
that
having
madeline
as
a
landlord
in
our
neighborhood,
I
feel
like
it'll
beautify,
our
neighborhood
I've
known
her
professionally,
and
I
know
that
she
keeps
up
with
her
buildings
and
she's
a
great
landlord.
I've
seen
a
lot
of
slumlords
and
a
lot
of
buildings
being
neglected,
and
I
know
that
she
won't
be
that
landlord.
T
A
I
I
I
I
I
know
that
in
that
area,
which
I
happen
to
be
a
neighbor
of,
it
is
the
only
one
visible
from
washington
avenue.
That
is
one
story
as
you're
turning
around
most
of
the
buildings
in
that
area
are
multi-storied
there.
I
myself
from
across
the
street,
have
a
three-story
building,
so
you
see
that
in
relation
to
relationships
to
the
other
buildings
in
an
area,
two
or
three
stories
is
not
going
to
be
out
of
sync
so
and
aesthetically.
I
I
She
is
a
member
of
the
rotary
club,
an
active
member
in
the
community,
thanksgiving
she's
out
there,
giving
turkeys
free
turkeys
to
the
residents.
So
this
is
the
type
of
person
that
you
want
to
see
grow.
I
mean
continue
to
do
well
in
our
community
and
I
hope
that
the
board
will
not
only
look
favorably
towards
the
design
and
the
project,
but
her
past
work
again.
I
A
F
F
A
R
U
And
just
in
regard
to
hearing
respectfully
hearing
what
concerns
were-
and
I
appreciate
that
you
did
address
them
the
best
you
can
and
just
hope
that
it
can
be
amicable
in
terms
of
you
know,
respecting
her
privacy
in
terms
of
building
the
fence,
and
I
appreciate
the
roof
deck
because
I
actually
was
thinking
about
that.
And
I
appreciate
that
that
was
considered
as
well.
U
U
U
A
N
Okay,
so
excuse
me
the
lot's
located,
as
you
know,
in
cary
square,
at
the
intersection
of
washington,
avenue
and
cary
avenue,
and
it's
kind
of
an
irregularly
shaped
intersection.
The
streets
don't
meet
at
a
90
degree
angle
and
they
create
an
irregular
uniquely
shaped
lot
with
an
exist.
The
existing,
but
but.
N
The
size
and
the
shape
of
the
lot
and
the
footprint
of
the
existing
building
make
it
impossible
to
create
any
additional
open
space
and
just
strictly
abide
by
the
restrictions
of
the
dimensional
requirements,
and
this
is
due
in
large
part
to
the
fact
that
the
footprint
is
being
reserved.
The
height
is
being
kept
to
a
minimum
and
just
from
my
own
editorial
comment,
it's
very
easy
to
build
up
and
slap
a
flat
roof
on
a
building,
and
I
think
the
fact
that
that
madeleine
and
david
have
preserved
the
look
of
the
building
and
addressed
concerns.
N
A
N
So
the
petitioner
can't
construct
remodel,
extend
or
alter
the
pre-existing
structure
in
conformity
with
the
restriction
of
the
dimensional
regulations,
which
would
effectively
prevent
any
change
or
progress
or
improvement
to
the
use
of
the
locus
and
the
real
reason.
One
of
the
reasons
for
the
improvement
is
to
fit
the
building
better
into
the
the
br
business
retail.
I
think
it's
br2
zone
with
retail
above
business.
A
A
N
N
A
F
A
C
C
A
A
A
H
C
C
U
C
A
The
next
one
is
20
22
10,
213,
everett
avenue
verdant
to
care
of
doug
meddowitz.
I
don't
know
if
I
pronounced
that
appropriately,
I
apologize
for
special
permit
and
variance
is
seeking
approval
for
the
demolition
of
a
one-story
structure.
The
combination
of
three
adjoining
lots
and
the
construction
of
the
eleven-story
research
and
development
lab,
which
does
not
meet
the
current
minimum
zoning
requirements
for
lot
area,
rare
in
your
front
yard
setbacks.
Thank
you.
Minimum
aisle
width
and
number
of
off-street
parking
spaces
and
also
exceeds
maximum
number
of
stories
and
floor
area
ratio.
V
So,
just
briefly,
I
wanted
to
introduce
the
verdant
team
myself
and
khadijah
hindi
we've
been
developers
for
the
last
10
years,
but
we
come
at
development
a
little
bit
differently,
both
her
and
I
are
phd
scientists
as
well.
We
worked
at
harvard
medical
for
a
number
of
years
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
are
transitioning
from
residential
development
into
the
biotech
development.
We
also
are
joined
by
greg
nolan
who's
here
tonight
and
he
helps
out
with
everything
that's
non-development
in
in
virgin.
Go
ahead.
John
next
slide.
V
This
is
the
team
that
we've
put
together.
That's
all
part
of
this
project,
I'm
not
going
to
introduce
all
of
them.
A
lot
of
them
are
going
to
speak
tonight,
but
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
that
you
know
we're.
This
is
a
large
project
right
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
involved.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
briefly
to
show
this
to
the
board
that
you
know
I'm
not
here
trying
to
do
this.
All
by
myself.
V
It's
a
team
effort
go
ahead
with
the
next
slide,
so
I
I
do
think
it's
important
to
discuss
why
we
chose
this
site.
I
there
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
like
about
this
site.
I've
had
numerous
conversations
with
previous
colleagues
of
mine.
I
saw
a
lot.
I
still
have
a
lot
of
friends
who
are
scientists
who
are
you
know,
working
in
the
biotech
field
and
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
sites
and
and
this
one
was
very
favorable
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
V
The
number
one
reason
is:
it's
accessibility
to
transportation.
This
site
is
close
to,
as
many
of
you
know
the
the
silver
line,
but
there
are
also
bus
routes
that
run
up
and
down
everett
avenue
route.
One
is
is
close
to
the
site.
It's
not
very
far
from
the
airport,
which
you
know
some
people
might
might
be
like.
Why
would
I
bring
that
up?
V
You're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
people
coming
in
and
out
of
town
for
interviews,
and
things
like
that,
so
proximity
to
the
airport,
I
think,
is
really
important
for
the
companies
who
are
going
to
be
renting
in
this
building
and
then
also
all
the
hotels
that
were
that
have
been
constructed
in
and
around
the
site.
I
think,
for
the
same
reasons,
you're
going
to
have
people
coming
into
town
for
interviews,
so
the
proximity
to
housing
also
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
then
all
the
apartments
that
are
being
built
across
the
street.
V
I
think
a
lot
of
the
people
who
work
at
this
building
are
probably
going
to
live
there.
I
think
those
are
very
nice
young
professional
buildings,
and
so
those
are
the
types
of
people
who
who
will
be
working
in
this
at
this
site.
So
I
I
it's
just
a
very
attractive
site
for
for
what
we
were
looking
for.
A
C
O
V
Okay,
so
obviously
we're
here,
because
we
are
requesting
variances
and
special
permits,
so
the
the
main
variances
that
we
are
are
asking
for
are
far
height
and
then
in
the
special
permit
section
where
we
are
according
to
the
zoning
short
on
parking,
but
I
will
address
some
of
that
as
well.
Next
slide,
john
thank.
V
So
I
I
want
to
just
jump
right
into
the
hardships
that
we're
facing
regarding
the
lot.
Obviously,
we
can
talk
about
the
lot
shape.
This
is
a
very
irregularly
shaped
lot.
We
highlighted
the
lot
here
in
red,
so
everybody
can
obviously
see
it.
So
you
know
this
is
causing
issues
with
encroachment
on
setbacks.
V
V
This
entire
site
is
in
the
floodplain,
so
that
also
requires
us
to
raise
the
building
in
and
of
itself.
We
also
did
some
geotech
studies,
so
we
did
some
boreholes
in
the
in
six
different
parts
of
the
of
the
site
there
at
213.
I
would
have,
and
we
found
the
water
table's
really
high,
so
it's
only
about
three
feet
below
ground
and
that
really
takes
out
putting
parking
underground.
V
So
we
we
looked
at
that
a
little
bit,
but
that's
requiring
us
to
put
our
parking
deck
above
ground
as
well,
which
obviously
leads
to
an
increase
in
height
of
the
building
next
slide,
and
then
we've
done
some
environmental
and
through
our
geotech
work.
We
also
found
there's
some
soil
contamination
on
the
site
in
a
few
different
spots,
the
main
the
main
spot
is
closest
to
the
double
tree,
so
we
will
have
some
some
soil
issues
there.
We
are
going
to
remediate
the
the
soil
when
we
tear
down
the
the.
M
V
V
V
That
might
seem
like
a
lot,
but
the
reason
we're
proposing
less.
I
already
talked
about
the
transportation,
but
the
the
main
reason
is:
if
you
look
at
this
slide
here,
the
the
blue
shaded
areas
are
what
we're
considering
the
office
space
in
this
building
and
the
yellow
shaded
areas,
or
what
we're
considering
the
lab
space
in
buildings
like
this
or
in
settings
like
this
you're,
never
going
to
have
an
employee
in
the
lab
and
in
the
office
at
the
same
time.
V
V
Because,
again,
they're
going
to
have
a
lab
space
and
they're
going
to
have
an
office
space
and
they're,
either
going
to
be
working
on
experiments
or
they're,
going
to
be
at
their
office
space
working
on
their
computer
writing
papers
or
or
researching
their
next
experiment.
So
you're
not
going
to
have
a
fully
occupied
four
on
the
research
force.
A
V
V
So
we
don't
that
didn't
come
up
in
the
in
the
planning
board
meeting
we're
not
necessarily
proposing
specific
parking
for
the
the
restaurant.
But
yes,
the
the
garage
is
gonna
have
to
have
some
accessibility
for
parking
for
the
restaurant
yeah.
They
they
won't
be
able
to
park
on
the
street
right
so
yeah
yeah.
Absolutely
so
the
restaurant
will
be
using
some
of
that
too,
and.
V
Good
anything
else,
so
the
other
reasons
we're
proposing
less
parking
is.
Obviously
we
talked
about
the
the
accessibility
to
transportation.
Right
I
used
to
be
a
scientist.
I
know
a
lot
of
scientists.
They
would
prefer
not
to
drive
if
they
can
get
here
using
the
train
or
get
here
using
the
bus
or
ride
their
bike.
V
That's
what
they're
going
to
prefer
to
do
now.
Yes,
there
will
be
some
people
that
have
to
drive
depending
on
where
they
live,
but
they
obviously
would
would
prefer
to
use
the
transportation
access
go
ahead.
John,
you
can
click
through
there's
a
couple
things
here
and
again:
a
variety
of
different
bus
routes
that
run
up
and
down
everett
avenue,
spruce
street.
So
there's
a
lot
of
accessibility
here
and
scientists
don't
mind
walking
five
or
ten
minutes
either.
V
So
if
they
can
get
dropped
off
somewhere
and
walk,
they
will
do
that
next
slide
and
then
we
are
going
to
provide
bike
storage
in
the
garage
as
well
as
some
showers,
so
that
people
who
ride
their
bikes
to
work
will
be
able
to
shower
and
go
to
work,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point.
In
a
way
to
decrease
the
amount
of
traffic
coming
into
the
building
and
then
there's
also
a
as
I
have
you
know,
designated
with
a
little
blue
bike,
there
there's
a
blue
bike
station
there
too.
V
So
there's
there's
just
a
variety
of
ways
to
get
to
this
building
besides
driving
next
slide
and
then
again,
as
I
mentioned,
the
apartment
buildings
across
the
street,
I
think
will
be
something
that
people
will
find
attractive
to
this
building
go
ahead,
john.
We
also
have
already
started
some
some
community
outreach
being
a
scientist
and
and
understanding
that
there
is
a
need
for
exposure
to
science
in
in
the
from
a
from
an
earlier
age
and
the
fact
that
the
high
school
is
right
across
the
street.
V
The
other
thing
that
we
are
are
working
with
the
superintendent
on
is
is
I
am
offering
to
continue
to
meet
with
them
on
a
regular
basis
to
try
to
help
out
with
how
we
integrate
some
of
these
hands-on
learning
techniques
with
the
students
right.
I
think
that
you
know
coming
from
that
field.
I
can
help
out
in
a
way
that
maybe
some
other
developers
can't
so
I'm
going
to
continue
to
donate
some
of
my
time
to
to
work
directly
with
this
with
the
school
system.
V
Could
we
raise
a
fund
of
some
sort
to
sort
of
supplement
the
science
department
or
the
teacher's
salaries,
because,
if
they're
going
to
be
coming
over
to
this
building
and
teaching,
I
I
believe
that
that
that's,
above
and
beyond
their
requirement
of
of
being
a
teacher
at
the
at
the
high
school
and
the
superintendent
and
the
the
principal
were
very
open
to
that.
So
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
conversations
around
and
figure
out.
How
can
we
do
this
in
a
way
that
really
benefits
the
school
and
the
teachers?
V
Teachers
yeah
a
way
to
help
supplement
income
for
the
teachers.
Yes,
yes,
and
then
our
the
the
construction
company
who
we
are
working
with
dpr.
They
have
an
internship
with
high
school
students
for
sort
of
the
non-science
aspect
of
this.
They
will
bring
in
any
high
school
student
who's
interested
from
the
beginning
of
this
project,
so
as
basically
as
soon
as
we
get
our
building
permit
through
the
entire
project
and
basically
allow
them
to
learn
side-by-side
with
the
construction
company
on
how
to
run
a
construction
business
all
the
way
through.
V
You
know
how
you
hammer
in
nails,
so
you
can
get
any
of
that
experience
that
you
want,
which
again
we're
trying
to
find
ways
to
promote
more
than
just
science
here.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
something
really
interesting
that
that
they
provide
we've
also
considered
because
bunker
hill
has
a
lot
of
science
programs,
maybe
finding
a
way
to
and
there's.
V
I
have
not
done
anything
along
this
line,
but
but
just
something
that
we're
thinking
about
is:
can
we
collaborate
or
allow
bunker
hill
to
maybe
use
some
of
the
lab
space
as
well,
since
they
do
have
a
lot
of
science
programs
and
then,
lastly,
there's
obviously
and
you'll
get
more
details
from
from
the
architect
team.
But
on
the
first
floor
of
this
building,
there's
going
to
be
the
restaurant,
that's
going
to
be
publicly
accessible,
we're
not
going
to
take
away.
V
V
I
talked
to
monica
lamboy
about
this
and
she
said
because
originally
we
were
going
to
offer
a
public
parking
space
like
an
accessible
space.
She
didn't
like
that
as
much.
It
provides
a
space
for
potential
skipping
a
school,
so
they
want
us
to
have
a
private
garage,
but
they
said
that
they'd
be
willing
to
work
with
us
and
and
provide
security
if
we
were
going
to
let
them
use
this
use
the
garage
if
there
was
a
an
actual
door.
V
So
we've
had
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
communication
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
community
already
as
we've
gone
through
the
the
planning
department.
Next
slide
and
then
again
there's
going
to
be
jobs
that
are
available
for
non-scientists.
This
is
going
to
be
a
big
building.
We're
going
to
have
full-time
management
company,
that's
going
to
need
to
hire
a
concierge
security,
there's
going
to
be
the
the
restaurant
workers,
building
maintenance,
so
just
a
variety
of
jobs
outside
of
science
as
well
that
this
building
will
bring
to
the
community.
V
It's
not
going
to
be
anything
huge,
but
just
something
interesting
that
the
scientists
can
use,
and
I
don't
know
how
it'll
work
it
might
not
be
available
to
the
community
depending
on
security
access
and
things
like
that.
But
if
we
can
make
it
accessible,
we
will.
But
people
will
need
to
work
there
and
and
manage
that
and
run
that
so
just
trying
to
provide
as
many
different
opportunities
in
the
building
as
we
can.
V
And
so
just
I
want
to
sort
of
end
my
portion
here
just
to
give
you
a
rough
idea
of
the
timeline,
so
we're
in
the
you
know
acquire
zoning
approval
process
roughly.
You
know
three
to
six
months
from
from
when
we
started
with
the
the
zoning
and
planning
department
I
think
from
today
you
know,
depending
on
how
long
and
how
many
meetings
we
we
have
with
the
with
the
zoning
board,
we're
looking
at
roughly
three
years
to
completion
for
this
building
between
all
the
approvals
and
the
construction.
V
Our
construction
team
thinks
it's
going
to
take
between
24
and
26
months
from
the
time
they
start
doing
anything
to
that
lot
until
the
time
it'll
be
ready
for
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
just
thought
that
would
be
something
to
sort
of
leave
you
with
from
my
part
and
then
I'm
going
to
introduce
matt
duros
who's,
our
lead
architect
on
the
project,
thanks
yeah.
W
W
Who
is
our
traffic
engineer
here?
Who
will
be
able
to
talk
about
the
impact
of
traffic
on
the
streets
around
the
site?
And
at
that
point
I
can
continue
on
and
discuss
the
building.
There's
a
lot
of
intention
and
detail
that
we've
put
into
it
to
get
to
this
point,
but
we'll
do
that
at
your
option.
We
can
go
into
as
much
depth
and
take
as
much
time
as
you
like.
Okay,.
W
My
firm
is
fishbook
design,
studio
and
we're
really
the
architect
of
record,
and
we
take
care
of
the
shell
and
the
core
we're
sort
of
the
quarterbacks
of
the
whole
team,
ci
design,
our
well-regarded
lab
consultants
and
really
sort
of
our
our
lab
whisperers
about
the
specifics
of
the
labs,
br
plus
ages,
mechanical
systems
and
I'd
like
to
say
that
buildings
like
this
are
are
really
just
big
machines
that
suck
in
fresh
air
and
blow
it
out
the
roof.
It's
in
in
simple
terms,
that's
that's!
Really.
W
The
job
of
this
building
hayes
and
o'neill
is
a
really
exciting
young
structural
firm.
That's
that's
really
made
quite
an
impact.
Doing
innovative,
efficient
structural
design
in
buildings
like
this
epm
is
a
code
consulting
firm
that
cut
its
teeth
in
the
nuclear
industry,
and
buildings
like
this
also
have
a
a
large
sort
of
regulatory
chain
that
we
have
to
follow.
W
So,
let's
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
just
as
a
project
summary.
This
is
going
to
be
a
biotech
building.
It's
a
speculative
building
that
will
rent
space
to
to
different
sized
companies.
We
intend
for
the
building
to
be
leed
certified
the
the
building
will
meet
international
dark
sky
association
standards.
W
Total
square
footage
is
390
000
square
feet
and
the
leasable
area
is
222
000
square
feet.
We're
proposing
a
an
11
story,
building
with
three
stories
of
parking
in
that
stack
above
ground
conceptual
construction
cost
is
267
million
dollars
and
that's
a
cost
of
635
636
dollars
per
square
foot,
which
sort
of
falls
into
the
expectations
for
this
type
of
project.
W
W
Well,
so
what
what
chelsea
looks
to
us
looks
like
to
us
is
is
actually
a
fascinating
place
in
a
lot
of
ways.
Doug
has
is,
is
kind
of
started
with
the
the
the
strong
point
that
it's
it's
just
this
site
and
chelsea
in
general,
but
the
site
specifically
is
a
sort
of
a
node
of
multiple
transportation
nodes
for
public
transportation
and
it's
it's
approximate
to
this
desirable
housing
and-
and
you
know
those
are
sort
of
the
the
the
mic
drop
bullet
points.
W
That's
sort
of
got
seeds
that
are
planted,
that
we
really
want
to
help
fertilize
and
and
grow
more
of,
and
also
you
know,
we're
basically
looking
at
the
high
school
on
this
site,
we're
staring
at
each
other,
and
you
know
you
know,
there's
other
developers
are
you
know
responsible
and
important.
You
know
think
important
thoughts
and
and
do
things
for
the
right
reason,
but
I
think
doug
and
khadijah
have
an
interesting
passion
about
the
type
of
work.
That's
done
at
this
project
and
see
in
their
own
experiences.
W
You
know,
as
students,
the
the
opera,
you
know
their
their
paths
into
this
on
this
field
and
having
the
high
school
so
close
to
this
project.
For
them.
I
I
think
answers
some
of
that
passion
and
really
these
are
ideas
that
they've
been
talking
about
from
the
very
start
of
looking
at
this
site,
is,
is
being
close
to
the
high
school
and
being
able
to
take
part
in
you
know
the
synergy.
That's
not
just
professional
businesses
in
science,
but
the
synergy.
W
That's
education
and
sharing
look
chelsea
is
in
in
eastern
massachusetts.
It's
a
we
know,
it's
a
culturally
diverse
place.
We
know
it's,
it's
it's
economically
vibrant.
This
is
a
city.
That's
clearly
become
a
place.
That's
on
the
move.
It's
got
a
sophisticated
municipal
government
that
has
reinvented
itself,
and
you
know
really.
What
we
see
is
that
the
the
city
announces
itself
publicly
as
aware
and
caring
about
and
acting
on
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
the
science
community
cares
about
and
that's
that's
attractive
to
us.
W
H
W
We
also
have
bus
stops
on
on
either
side
of
our
block
so
that
the
home
run
that
this
represents
in
terms
of
access
to
public
transportation
is,
is
you
know,
sort
of
undeniable?
You
know
assets
in
this?
This
budding
business
district
are
the
the
homewood
suites
that
the
residents
in
the
doubletree
inn
the
high
school.
We
consider
an
asset
and
then
obviously
the
multi-family
residential
projects
that
are.
E
W
And
going
in
are
important
to
us.
Catalan,
pharma
solutions
is
another
seed
in
in
the
the
biotech
cluster
here,
and
so
we
feel
like
it's
important,
to
be
able
to
co-locate
with
that
and
to
provide
more
energy
there.
You
know
the
this
specific
site
here
in
in
red
is
in
an
interesting
scene
between
the
the
more
sort
of
dense
and
residential
addison
orange
neighborhood
in
the
broadway
west
neighborhood,
which
is
a
little
bit
more
spread
out.
W
It's
got
more
open
space,
and
this
is
the
traditionally
industrial
urban
part
of
of
chelsea,
and
so
you
know
in
in
this
area,
along
everett
avenue,
we're
seeing
that
urban
industry
being
refigured
and
regrown,
and
so
we're
excited
to
sort
of
take
part
in
that
to
see
that.
That's
that
that's
there's
a
lot
of
potential
there
and-
and
you
know,
there's
synergy
for
us
in
that
we
can
look
at
the
next
slide
from
from
the
air.
W
W
W
W
High
school
is
right
along
here
for
to
for
to
be
oriented,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
very
mindful
of
is
that
you
know
we
were
bound
by
a
number
of
conditions
that
we'll
we'll
talk
about,
as
we
continue
on
the
site
that
really
push
us
to
to
work
right
to
the
edges
of
the
site,
and
so
you
know
we're
not
able
to
to
take
part
in
the
greening
of
chelsea.
The
way
we
would
want
to.
E
W
We
can
move
on
from
there
and
we're
getting
into
now
the
existing
site,
I'm
going
to
introduce
rick
salvo
from
the
engineering
alliance
to
talk
through
the
challenges
and
the
the
opportunities
that
we
have
on
the
site
and
jeff
dirks
will
follow
and
talk
about
traffic,
and
at
that
point
we
can
continue
on
and
discuss
the
proposal
for
the
buildings
and
more
specific
details.
If
you
wish
rick.
X
X
X
X
X
X
During
our
discussions
with
the
planning
board,
they
were
looking
for
some.
You
know
for
the
building
not
to
be
kind
of
right
in
everybody's
faces.
They
were
walking
up
the
sidewalk,
so
we
were
able
to
step
the
building
back
with
their
input
and
create
some
plaza
area
that
that
matt
will
get
into
so.
The
access
to
the
parking
garage
is
right
here
through
an
existing
curb
cut,
so
we
won't
be
creating
a
new
curb
cut,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we'll
be
closing.
X
X
The
upper
floors
will
come
right
up
to
the
lot
line.
The
the
ground
level
flow
will
be
will
be
set
in
to
allow
for
vehicles
to
be
able
to
back
into
those
garage
bays.
So
in
both
the
front
and
the
in
the
back,
the
ground
levels
set
back
on
in
the
upper
levels
would
extend.
You
know
pretty
close
proximity
to
the
property
line.
So
if
we
look
at
the
the
zoning
chart,
there
is
a
10-foot
setback,
that's
required
from
both
everett
ave
and
from
beach
street,
which
we'll
be
meeting
on
the
ground
floor.
X
However,
we
are
requesting
relief
for
the
upper
floors
to
extend
into
that
area.
There
is
no
side,
yard
setback,
there's
a
rare
yard
setback
requirement
of
20
feet
and
obviously
we're
looking
for
relief
on
the
floor
area
ratio,
which
is
about
seven
and
a
half
where
two
is
required:
relief
for
the
height
to
allow
11
stories
where
eight
are
required
and
a
height
of
159
feet,
11
inches
where
100
feet
is
required.
So
that's
the
relief
plus
the
parking
relief
that
was
outlined
on
the
chart
that
was
that
was
presented
earlier.
X
X
K
X
K
W
We've
had
preliminary
soil
composition,
testing
done
and
so
and
we're
going
to
design
the
foundations
based
on
you
know
a
deeper
sample,
so
the
the
piles
are
going
to
do.
One
of
two
things
either
bear
on
bedrock
if
it's
available
within
the
reason
you
know
sort
of
the
most
economical
of
these.
Of
these
approaches
bearing
directly
on
bedrock
or
each
pile
will
be
driven
to
a
point
where
it
refuses.
You
know
it.
It
bears
enough
weights
so
that
it's
calculated
you
know
load
can
be
met.
W
P
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
board,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
jeffrey
dirk,
I'm
the
managing
partner
with
vanessa
and
associates,
and
I
think
you
heard
from
the
introductions
we're
the
transportation
consultants
for
the
project
by
way
of
kind
of
a
summary
of
the
findings
of
our
analysis
of
the
project.
It
pretty
much
piggybacks
upon
what
you
heard
from
the
prior
speakers,
which
is
really,
as
you
look
at
the
context
of
the
site
from
a
transportation
perspective.
P
This
is
a
highly
walkable
unbikable
area,
so
we
have
the
silver
line
station
within
a
three
minute
walking
distance.
We
have
two
bus
routes
that
travel
along
everett
avenue,
so
those
are
all
benefits
for
the
project,
but
the
other
thing
is
that
the
city
has
spent
significant
resources
on
improving
everett
avenue
and
improving
the
other
roadways
around
the
site,
so
carter
street,
to
the
north
of
the
site
and
then
to
the
south
of
the
site.
Spruce
street
is
going
to
be
reconstructed
as
well.
P
There's
a
project
that's
under
design
that
will
also
be
there.
So
these
are
all
amenities
of
the
sidewalk
to
the
to
the
project
site
to
really
cut
down
on
not
only
the
traffic
volumes
but
also
the
parking
numbers.
So,
as
you
heard,
you
know,
there's
a
real
engagement
here
to
have
the
tenants
of
this
site
use
alternative
modes
of
transportation.
P
V
A
A
P
One
of
the
things
we
find
there's
a
lot
of
lab
conversions
that
are
taking
place
and
I'm
sure
that's
happening
in
the
city
as
well-
is
that
if
you
compare
it
to
an
office
building
because
of
the
nature
of
the
type
of
traffic
that's
associated
with
these,
it's
off-peak
traffic.
So
we
usually
what
we
find
with
the
lab
buildings
is.
P
The
peak
happens
generally
after
the
commuter
peak
hours,
so
generally
around
10
o'clock
in
the
morning
or
thereabouts,
and
then
there's
a
peak,
that's
outside
of
the
peak
hour
generally,
because
they're
running
lab
experiments
in
the
nature
of
when
they
come
and
go
is
really
tied
to
when
those
lab
experiments
are
taking
place.
So
it's
a
much
different
traffic
generator
than
what
you'd
find
in
the
traditional
office
building.
P
The
city
has
addressed
a
lot
of
that,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
focused
on
with
the
planning
board,
and
particularly
as
it
relates
to
improvements,
is
making
sure
that
it's
safe
to
walk
and
bike
to
the
project
site.
If
we've
got
you
know
these
amenities,
we've
got
the
silver
line
station.
It
needs
to
be
safe
to
get
there
get
to
the
project
site.
P
The
signals
are
detecting
bicycles,
they're
made
to
do
that
to
make
sure
that
in
fact,
that's
happening
and
that
there's
adequate
time
to
actually
for
not
only
a
motor
vehicle
to
pass
through
the
intersection,
but
for
a
bicyclist
to
do
that.
So
it's
great
to
have
these
amenities.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
safe
and
our
analysis
is
suggesting
that
there
are
some
improvements
that
can
be
taken
place
as
a
part
of
this
project
to
provide
that
connectivity.
P
W
Thanks
jeff,
if
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide
and
sort
of
summarize
a
little
bit
so
there's
there's
sort
of
a
narrative
about
how
the
design
evolved
relative
to
the
site
when
we
we
first.
In
fact,
let's
go
back
to
the
previous
slide.
I'm
sorry,
john!
When
we
first
began
sitting
down
and
sort
of
penciling
out
the
project
we,
the
the
you
know,
the
highest
order
of
design
is
parking.
W
You
know
and
that
the
things
that
that
that
are
are
at
least
changeable
is,
is
dry,
vials
and
parking
on
width
and
length,
and
so
that
you
know
kind
of
working
with
the
geometry
of
the
site.
We
really
couldn't
get
much
to
work
without
going
edge
to
edge.
Our
assumption
at
the
time
was
that
the
parking
was
going
to
be
below
ground,
but
there's
there's
really
no
way
to
do
a
double
loaded
parking
layout
without
going
to
sightline
to
sight
line.
W
So
we
we
assumed
it
was
going
to
be
below
ground.
That
was
going
to
be
our
parking
layout
and,
and
we
were
going
to
build
a
building
above
that,
as
we
got
deeper
into
the
the
flood
conditions
and
the
soil
conditions.
We
realized
that
there's
a
you
know,
both
the
floodplain,
the
high
water
table
and
the
the
contaminated
soils
tell
us
that
we're
not
going
to
do
anything
below
ground,
and
so
the
the
parking
garage
came
above
ground
and
came
above
the
ground
floor.
W
So
you
know
those
sort
of
dynamics
between
the
design
requirements
and
the
the
site
are.
Are
what
led
us
to
this
this?
You
know
the
asks
that
we
have
here
tonight.
We
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide
now
to
to
so
to
to
summarize
it
it's
a
it's,
a
building
that
that
has
three
different
types
of
leasing
options.
W
W
So
companies
in
in
seed
stage
and
and
proof
stage
can
can
sort
of
come
in
and
work
in
a
minimal
sort
of
environment
as
they
ramp
up
we're
going
to
provide
spaces
that
are
leasable
at
two
thousand
to
ten
thousand
square
foot
increments.
We'll
also
have
a
single
occupancy
floors
available,
that'll
be
thirty
thousand
square
foot.
W
Well,
let's
just
say
this:
the
the
the
the
type
of
setup
that
we
provide
will
lean
towards
what
will
prohibit
certain
types
of
research.
You
know
I
think
doug
can
be
more
specific
about
what
this
market
is
and
what
we're
we're
gearing
towards.
So
it's
it's
biotech.
It's
biology,
and
you
know
the
facilities
are
going
to
be
tuned
to
that
type
of
work.
We
can
go
into
more
detail
if
you'd,
like.
K
K
M
V
V
The
only
industries
that
continued
to
work-
and
one
of
the
reasons
is
scientists,
always
wear
ppe
scientists
are
always
wearing
lab
coats.
Goggles
masks,
that's
just
normal
daily
life,
so
that's
one
two.
They
tend
to
be
very
sort
of
on
their
own
right
scientists.
Will
these
five
by
five
lab
spaces
will
if,
if
need
be,
and
if
something
like
that
arises
again,
it's
very
easy
to
put
up
sort
of
plexiglas
dividers,
and
things
like
that.
So
obviously
scientists
pay
attention
to
these
things
too.
V
Right
we're
the
first
people
to
to
be
working
on
these
things
and
understanding.
You
know
if
there's
issues,
but
in
general
scientists
are
protecting
themselves
because
there
are
people
working
next
to
them
that
they
may
not
exactly
know
what
they're
working
on,
because
things
are
confidential
right.
These
are
companies
creating
intellectual
property
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
always
a
good
idea
to
protect
yourself
in
terms
of
the
the
science
question
that
you
asked
not
to
get
too
sciency
or
nerdy
on
this.
V
There
are
four
different
levels
of
of
biosafety
level:
bsl,
one
through
four
one
being
the
the
least
invasive
and
the
least
risk
and
four
being
the
highest
in
this
country,
there's
probably
three
or
four
bsl
four
facilities
in
the
entire
country.
Those
are
very
specific.
None
of
that
will
happen
here.
Bsl3
is
also
pretty
restrictive.
V
You
have
to
have
clean
rooms,
it's
more
for
manufacturing
again,
I'm
not
trying
to
throw
anybody
under
the
bus
here,
but
I
would
assume
a
place
like
catalin
across
the
street.
There
is
more
has
more
clean
rooms.
This
building
will
not
have
clean
rooms.
The
idea
here
is
to
keep
it
at
bsl1
bsl2
for
a
couple
of
reasons,
one
that's
what
the
majority
of
biotech
companies
are,
especially
in
the
the
startup
phase,
they're
really
early
stage
and
two
from
a
business
perspective.
We
want
to
keep
it
open
to
as
many
companies
as
possible.
V
We
don't
want
to
be
so
it's
it's
kind
of
counterintuitive.
We
don't
want
to
restrict
the
types
of
companies
necessarily,
so
we
want
the
broadest
range,
but
because
of
that
it'll
be
you
know,
not
invasive
types
of
research.
So
it's
going
to
be
on
the
lower
end
of
the
biosafety
level.
That's
what
most
of
these
buildings
are
as
they're
being
built.
J
J
V
V
Who
companies
like
that
who
are
doing
the
vaccines
and
things
those
are
going
to
be
very
restricted,
very
specific
you're?
You
know
you're
going
to
have
to
be
checked
in
and
out
right
to
make
sure
you
don't
have
the
the
virus.
So
no
we're
it's
not
going
to
be
at
that
level.
It's
it's!
These
are
companies
growing
yeah.
J
V
V
We
don't
have
any,
we
do
not
have
any
plans
for
live
animals
there.
There
are
plenty
of
through
cambridge
and
somerville,
and
just
a
variety
of
play
harvard
medical
school
there.
There
are
facilities
specific
for
that
and
that
stuff's
more
easily
outsourced
to
professionals.
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
scientists
try
to
do,
especially
companies
that
are
growing,
is,
is
hire.
People
for
specific
skill
sets
right.
You
learn
how
to
do
this.
V
You
do
it
really
well,
because
that's
how
you
create
data
and
you
get
more
funding
right
to
try
to
have
a
scientist
do
14
different
things
is
not
the
way
that
science
is
usually
done.
When
I
was
when
I
was
doing
it,
it
was
you
learn
how
to
do.
You
know
certain
types
of
projects
you
collaborate
with
other
people
in
the
company
or
in
the
group,
and
you
grow
the
data
that
way
so
you're
not
going
to
be
trying
to
do
too
many
different
things
at
one
time.
V
V
Yeah,
so
that's
this
industry
is
pretty
it's
pretty
hot
right
now,
so
the
the
demand
is
much
higher
than
the
supply.
That's
why
you're
seeing
all
these
buildings
going
up
in
general?
These
leases
are
five
to
ten
years:
they're,
not
short-term.
They
tend
to
be
longer,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
because
these
companies
are
they're
so
worried
about
when
they
grow
to
the
next
stage
that
they
don't
want
to
be
left
out
in
the
cold.
V
V
That
that's
how
most
biotech
companies
start
and
grow
they
they,
the
normal
way,
is
venture
capital
is
what
comes
in
so
you
you
as
a
as
a
scientist.
If
you
you
start
getting
really
interesting
data,
you
create
a
company
and
you
you
get
as
much
data
as
you
can
for
as
cheap
as
possible,
and
you
get
to
a
certain
point.
You
go
out
and
you
start
pitching
this
to
venture
capital
firms,
and
then
they
make
an
investment.
V
V
V
U
In
terms
of
live
organisms
with
the
biotech
company,
I'm
sure
you
work
with
lots
of
live
organisms
and
the
concern
I
would
have
is
in
terms
of
disposal-
and
you
know
making
sure
it's
the
area
safe,
not
so
much.
Definitely
in
the
lab,
but
outside
there's
a
high
school
across
the
street.
Students
are
always
in
that
area
as
well
as
a
restaurant,
so
in
terms
of
the
sewage
and
the
water
and
the
disposal
yeah.
V
Yeah
no
good
question,
so
that
is
a
different
question
from
the
live
animals.
So,
yes,
there
will
be
bacteria.
There
will
be
what
we
call
cell
culture.
So
those
are
all
living
organisms.
They
can't
survive
on
their
own,
though
they're
required
to
be
given
some
sort
of
food
by
scientists
right.
So
if
you
just
leave
them
there,
they
will
die
so,
but
they
are
still
considered
alive.
If
you
feed
them,
they
will
continue
to
grow,
and
so
in
terms
of
disposal
there
will
be
a
a
company
that
comes
through
at
least
two
times
a
week.
V
V
When
you're
done
with
your
experiments,
you
have
to
pour
ethanol
over
all
your
experiments,
which
just
wipes
everything
out
just
80
ethanol,
and
then
that
goes
down
the
drain
in
that,
in
that
particular
room
and
that
gets
filtered
through
the
the
systems
in
the
building
the
anything
else.
So
if
you
were
doing
cell
culture
in
a
petri
dish,
that's
usually
what
it's
done
in
a
plastic
dish.
That
dish
has
to
be
disposed
of
in
the.
V
If
you've
ever
watched,
a
science
show
those
red
bags
or
red
bins
that
you
see
that
all
goes
into
those
bins
and
that's
removed
by
a
specific
company.
What
they
do
is
they
take
that
they
incinerate
everything
and
but
that's
done
professionally,
that
will
have
to
be.
That
will
be
a
requirement
for
every
company.
W
Oh
sure,
yeah
there's
so
there's
sort
of
a
dance
between
the
regulations
for
for
operation
and
construction
that
this
question
is
sort
of
involved
in.
In
the
you
know,
these
buildings
I
like
to
joke,
are
machines
that
that
suck
in
air
and
blow
it
out
the
roof,
but
they're
also
machines
that
that
neutralize
acid
and
chemical
compounds
in
water
and
they're
machines
that
that
sort,
different
types
of
solid
waste
and
they're
required
to
buy
code.
We're
required
to
to
provide
these
specific
facilities
for
waste
disposal,
storage
and
removal.
U
Thank
you
because
it's
so
important,
because
in
a
community
like
chelsea
with
the
history
of
you,
know
just
all
types
of
toxins
and
the
factories
and
the
tobin
bridge,
and
just
environmental
hazard
as
to
as
late
as
the
asbestos
dump
here
with
the
pile
of
asbestos,
so
just
very
concerning
in
terms
of
the
community
and
you
know,
being
safe.
Environmentally,
we.
W
W
W
W
It's
it's
widely
believed
that
mixing
people
in
different
companies
makes
good
science
and
good
ideas
and
things
that
that
wouldn't
have
been.
You
know,
thought
of
happen
when
people
are
waiting
in
line
for
a
good
cup
of
coffee
or
to
go,
you
know
climb
on
the
bouldering
wall
or
to
do
you
know
so
so,
making
places
where
people
can
have
incidental
conversations
is
actually
an
important
part
of
the
design,
so
the
the
the
climbing
wall
is
sort
of
in
a
way.
W
A
W
If
we
use
this
so
here's
our
ground
floor
level
and
we've
we've
got
a
revision
from
the
the
planning
department.
That's
the
restaurant
in
here,
that's
right,
so
that
the
restaurant
is
right
in
that
section,
and
you
see
that
the
parking
garage
above
spreads
out
to
the
edge
of
the
parking
or
to
the
lot
line,
the
entire
building
above
the
parking
garage
steps
back
20
and
15
feet
so
that
we
can
have
windows,
but
that
you
know
really
the
the
issue
is
the
parking,
then
the
garage
so.
C
W
We
talked
about
the
community
programs
on
the
architectural
design.
You
know
really
we're
we're.
Looking
in
this,
I
think
it's
a
south
west
corner
at
a
piece
of
the
building
that
looks
back
at
the
skyline
of
foster
and
looks
you
know,
sort
of
through
that
at
that
skyline
through
the
sunset
and
in
a
way,
the
way
the
the
sort
of
the
program
works
out.
It
makes
sense
for
us
to
use
this
as
as
a
sculpted
glass
feature
that
we're
calling
the
beacon
and
how
that
evolves.
F
W
Beginning
the
the
balance
of
the
cladding
system
is
is
going
to
be
a
very
simple
ribbon.
Windows
are
punched
windows
we're
going
to
have
a
vertical
slat
solar
control
system?
That's
gauged
towards
the
solar
exposure
as
it
wraps
around
the
building,
that'll
be
the
major
visual
of
the
building
and
then
the
in
this
corner.
Right
here,
which
is
sort
of
a
prominent
corner.
We
intend
a
bar
relief
sculpture
that
will
be
carved
into
the
the
exterior
cladding
of
the
building
and
we'd
like
to
program
that
so
that
it
ties
together.
A
W
W
W
What
we
end
up
with
is
is
because
we
have
mainly
a
western
exposure
here
and
and
eastern
exposure
on
the
opposite
side.
Well,
we're
going
to
cast
an
evening
shadow
into
route
one
and
then
a
a
morning
shadow
gets
cast
across
everett
avenue.
Here,
as
the
day
goes
on,
the
shadows
will
be
cast.
You
know
the
sun
generally
sort
of
washes
this
face
here
and
casts
shadows
across
crowder
street
towards
the
high
school.
W
Thank
you
yeah.
So
some
details
about
the
the
specifics
of
the
leeds
design
in
the
international
dark
sky
association
are
also
listed
here.
At
this
point,
I
I
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide
and
just
leave
that
as
a
a
tickler.
If
you
want
and-
and
we
can
continue
discussing
the
the
building,
design
and
intentions
or
respond
to
questions
and
clarifications.
A
Why
don't
I
I'm
going
to
actually
ask
if
they're?
Quite
it
just
takes
okay,
we'll
continue
to
do
this,
but
I
think
there's
you've
provided
so
much
information.
If
there
are
people
here
who
wish
to
speak
on
it,
I
want
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
I'm
not
going
to
I'm
going
to
open
the
public
hearing,
I'm
not
going
to
close
it.
A
Yet
until
you
continue,
you
finish
your
presentation,
but
I
just
want
to
know
if
there
are
people
here
who
want
to
speak
on
this
before
we
go
any
further,
because
there's
been
so
much
information,
that's
been,
provided
that
I
don't
have
the
chance
to
digest
it.
So
this
there.
Anyone
who
wants
to
speak
on
this.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
tom
ambrosino
city
manager,
so
I
just
briefly
want
to
say
the
city
strongly
supports
this
project.
This
is
the
business
zoning
district.
It
is
a
commercial
district
where
we
try
to
encourage
this
kind
of
development.
This
is
a
major
commercial
development,
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
that
the
city
wants
to
see
in
these
commercial
districts.
This
generates
good-paying
jobs;
it
generates
enormous
economic
benefit
to
the
city,
both
in
terms
of
long-term
property
taxes
and
just
permitting
fees.
G
The
linkage
fee
alone
is
going
to
be
at
least
several
million
dollars,
and
it
aesthetically
is
going
to
make
an
improvement
to
this
area.
So
for
all
of
those
reasons
the
city
supports
it.
It
is
the
sort
of
commercial
project
the
city
wishes
it
could
replicate
in
other
commercial
areas
of
the
city,
and
I
think
the
planning
board
saw
the
benefits
of
this
and
it's
why
it
supported
both
the
site
plan
and
the
recommendation
for
approval
of
the
special
permit
to
this
board
unanimously.
I
And
this
would
be
the
first
one
that
was
part
of
a
of
a
pending
ordinance.
That
was
introduced
by
myself
and
passed
by
my
colleagues
and
is
awaiting
state
approval.
Why?
It's
important,
because
in
good
faith,
the
developers
agreed
to
pay
what
that
mitigation
fee
would
be.
You
know
if
it
was
in
place
while
it
was
filed,
it
hasn't
been
officially
approved,
but
knowing
in
the
spirit
of
being
a
good
neighbor,
they've
agreed,
and
what
this
mitigation
funding
will
do.
And
I
just
wanted
to
explain
to
you.
I
The
linkage
fees
paid
to
the
community
impact
fund
will
be
utilized
in
accordance
to
the
home
petition.
The
creation
of
maintenance
of
affordable
housing,
support
of
social
services
within
the
city,
workforce,
development,
job
creation,
education,
youth,
recreation,
support
for
public
space,
enhancements
traffic
transportation,
improvements
and
capital
construction
projects
of
the
city
provided
the
subs.
Such
projects
appear
in
the
city's
annual
five-year
improvement
and
all
of
this
approved
by
funding
by
the
city
council.
I
Much
like
the
cpa
fund,
its
funds
that
fund
it
will
be
raised,
but
now
every
new
project
that
fits
the
criteria
of
something
that
will
be
impact.
The
neighborhood
will
now
have
a
formula
in
place
and
now
we'll
extract
some
funding
that
will
go
towards
those
those
that's
that
spending
that
I
just
described
first
project
that
will
be
part
of
this,
and
I
think
that
the
fact
that
we're
raising
over
four
million
dollars,
when
I
think
of
my
colleague
leo
robinson,
saying,
we've
got
to
figure
a
way
how
to
fund
our
sports
programs.
I
Four
million
dollars,
I
mean,
give
me
a
break,
no
more
canning
for
the
kids
over
here
in
the
city
square.
So
you
know-
and
it's
great
again
the
enthusiasm
by
this
by
the
team
here
in
front
of
you
not
only
to
be
a
part
of
this
community,
what
they're
saying
how
they
reached
out
to
the
school
department
to
incorporate
our
children
into
education
program
there
on
site
what
it
means
to
that
end
of
the
city,
their
encouragement,
mind,
you
not
the
guarantee,
but
I
know
that
they
didn't
speak
about
this.
I
They
have
encouraged
and
asked
for
animals
to
stay
on
now.
Whether
or
not
the
floramo
family
wants
to
stay
is
going
to
be
a
separate
agreement,
but
they
have
offered
they've
said
we
want
to
keep
you
so
that
is
important
again,
that's
a
separate
business
decision,
but
I
know
that
sometimes,
when
we
see
projects
like
this,
you
worry
all
you
know
negative.
I
We
lose
influence,
but
they
have
already
stated
we'll
do
everything
we
you
know
they
we
can
do
to
offer
them
the
space
within
it's
up
to
them,
whether
or
not
they
want
to
take
it.
So
again,
the
outreach
that
this
group
has
done
the
beautiful
project
that
it
is.
I
know
that
there
were
some
who
spoke
about
the
height
11
stories,
but
I
want
to
remind
everyone.
I
Yes,
three
stories
of
that
is
parking
and
rather
than
have
all
that
parking
all
around
the
building,
much
like
mgh,
the
mystic
mall,
the
across
the
street,
the
l-shaped
building.
They
took
what
I
would
consider
unsightly
cars
and
are
incorporating
it
within
the
building.
So
three
stories
actually
an
eight-story
building,
not
eleven,
because
three
schools
is
parking.
So
that's
why
I'm
I'm
encouraged
by
it.
The
height
doesn't
scare
me:
we
already
have
the
fbi
building
there.
We
have
several
tall
hotel
buildings
there
and,
of
course
I
have
to
stated
by
the
city
manager.
I
C
A
Thank
you.
Is
there
anybody
else
who
wishes
to
speak?
I'm
not
going
to
close
it
just
yet,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
presentation
is
underway,
but
I
okay
well,
so
is
there
anything
else
that
you
feel
that
is
critical,
that
we
know
at
this
time
or
john,
that
you
in
the
planning
department
want
to
have
them
share
with
us,
because
we've
seen
a
lot
of
information,
our
issue
so
is
there
any?
Is
there
more
that
we
feel
that
we
need
from
them
at
this
point
or
additionally,
joan.
U
I
love
and
hope
that
the
mentioned
internships
may
lead
to
job
placements,
trainings
apprenticeship
programs
and
that
ultimately,
employment,
we're
definitely
at
the
forefront
of
workforce
development
here
and
it
needs
to
be
intentional.
So
I
do
appreciate
your
outreach
and
getting
to
know
our
community
and
and
looking
into
partnership,
especially
with
our
youth
in
the
high
school.
So
thanks.
A
F
The
city
manager
basically
said
what
I
would
have
said
anyway.
The
city
the
planning
department
is
in
support
of
this.
This
is
one
of
the
major
components
of
the
city's
economic
development
program,
so
we
are
expressing
support
for
this.
I
just
want
to
bring
up
one
issue
that
rick
had
mentioned:
159
feet,
11
inch
height.
F
W
W
We
can
live
with
what
we're
you
know.
Building
this
complex
and-
and
this
tall
you
know
can-
can
can
grow
easily
if
we're
not
careful
and
so
we're
we're
constantly
trying
to
sort
of
tamp
down
the
the
the
the
need
for
it
to
do
that.
So,
let's
keep
it
at
156
and
let's
amend
our
application
for
this.
This
hearing,
okay,.
F
U
V
V
What
happens
to
his
staff?
He
doesn't
want
to
reopen
with
a
different
staff,
so
he's
working
on
an
alternative
strategy
to
keep
his
staff
together
at
a
different
restaurant
during
the
construction
period.
So
that's
the
biggest
challenge
and
that's
going
to
be
in
flux
throughout
the
entire
project,
so
it
as
as
was
already
mentioned
by
the
team.
V
We
would
love
to
have
them
there
they're
great
people.
They
we've
had
great
communication
with
them
throughout
this
entire
process,
they've
been
really
easy
to
work
with,
but
we're
again
we're
leaving
it
up
to
them
because,
again,
based
on
everything,
that's
going
on
in
this
area
with
the
apartment
and
the
and
the
development
there's
going
to
be
many
restaurants
that
want
to
fill
that
space,
but
we
are,
we
are
reserving
it
for
them
if
they
want
to
do
that.
So
that's
that's
our
conversation.
A
A
Okay,
so
you
have
to
meet,
as
you
know,
all
four
conditions
of
the
variances.
I'm
sure
that
you
should
can
be
able
to
write
given
what
you've
said.
I
could
probably
protect
them
in
my
sleep
now,
your
presentation
was
so
thorough.
A
variance
is
sought
because
of
soil
conditions,
shape
or
topography
of
such
land
or
structure,
and
especially
affecting
such
lander
structures,
but
not
affecting
generally
the
zoning
district
in
which
it
is
located.
W
A
W
A
See
that
was
easy
for
you.
Thank
you
yeah.
I
think
you
have
agreement
so
where
we
have
met
the
variance
requirements,
given
the
we've
met,
the
variance
requirements
and
we've
heard
a
a
very
thorough
presentation.
Do
I
have
a
motion
on
this
wait,
let's
hold
on
before
you
do
that
john?
Let
us
be
clear
about
what
conditions
you
would
propose
would
be
existed,
would
be
included
in
any
any
remote,
any
special
permit
and
variants.
I.
F
Propose
the
standard
conditions
as
applicable
design
review,
which
is
actually
mandatory
in
this
area,
the
linkage
payment,
the
petitioner
offers
that
the
board
accepts
the
partnerships
with
the
schools.
The
petition
office
on
the
board
accepts
the
donations
of
the
street
trees.
I
also
have
a
signage
plan
here.
I
noticed
that
you
did
include
some
signage
information
in
it,
but
it's
not
complete.
I
just
need
some
more.
F
A
A
F
A
C
A
Our
next
case
is
62,
wash
no
yeah,
62
washington,
ave,
bellingham
llc
for
special
permits
and
variances
seeking
approval
for
the
conversion
of
an
existing
residential
structure
from
seven
family
residential
building
yeah.
I
tell
them
to
quite
to
a
commercial
to
an
eight
family
residential
structure
which
does
not
meet
minimum
current
zoning
requirements
for
lot
area
for
irrational
usable,
open
space
and
off
street
parking.
This
is
the
first
time
we've
heard
this,
so
we
will
not
be
making
a
decision
today.
A
A
N
So
for
the
record
david
mindlin,
representing
the
petitioner,
this
is
mark
epker
who's,
a
manager
of
the
petitioning
llc
very
briefly
mark
and
his
group
purchased
a
number
of
units
in
chelsea
a
couple
of
years
ago,
as
a
portfolio
62
washington
avenue.
Excuse
me
it
was
one
of
the
buildings
the
ground
floor.
Where
you
see
the
three
hills
office
sign
was
formerly
jonathan
marcus's
real
estate
office.
N
There
are
seven
apartment
bill
apartments
in
the
building
plus
the
office
mark
has
really
no
use
for
the
office
and
he's
been
unable
to
rent
it,
so
the
space
is
really
wasted.
What
he
would
like
to
do
is
convert
the
office
into
an
apartment,
no
change
to
the
footprint
the
height.
Actually,
no
change
to
the
exterior
at
all.
All
of
the
work
would
be
rearranging
partitions
within
the
unit
parking
is
already
there.
I
believe,
there's
a
slide
showing
the
present
plan.
N
Of
course
it
would
involve
adding
parking
and
requiring
relief.
But
again
it's
right
on
washington
avenue.
Two
buildings
are
right:
next
to
the
silver
line
right
two
buildings
from
the
silver
line
right
down
the
stairs
to
the
silver
line,
bus,
stop
right.
In
front
right
in
the
square
and
that's
essentially
the
project.
C
N
A
F
A
Well,
that's
not
even
emotional,
it's
just
it's
like
we!
We've
opened
the
up
the
hearing
they're,
not
here,
it's
being
it's
gonna,
be
remanded
to
the
planning
board.
In
any
case,
on
august,
2nd
and
we'll
come
back
before
us
on
8
9,
at
which
point
they
can,
they
can
talk
to
us
about
the
it's
a
relatively
small
project,
so
I
don't
think
it
will
require
a
lot
of
detail.
So
are
we?
Okay
with.