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From YouTube: DPW Public Hearing of 7-13-21
Description
City of Chelsea, The proposed increase of solid waste collection fees, and the proposed increase for water and sewer rates.
A
I
will
start
by
reading
the
the
the
notice
of
public
hearing
in
accordance
with
section
1.15
part,
4
of
the
city
of
chelsea
administrative
code,
section
22-64-b,
establishment
of
solid
collection
fees
and
section
3065,
establishment
of
water
sewer
and
trash
billing
rates
of
the
ordinance
of
the
city
of
chelsea.
On
tuesday
july
13th,
at
6
pm,
we
will
be
holding
a
a
public
hearing
for
interested
residents
to
have
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
concerning
the
proposed
increase
of
solid
waste
collection
fees
and
the
proposed
increase
for
water
and
sewer
rates.
A
My
name
is
fidel
maltes
and
I
am
the
commissioner
of
public
works
for
the
city
of
chelsea.
I
do
want
to
to
present
a
few
slides
prior
to
to
announcing
the
the
rate
increases
so
just
to
remind
everyone.
This
is
a
an
annual
process
that
we
undertake
where,
where
we
have
to
evaluate
and
by
law,
we
need
to
increase
the
the
rates
in
order
to
to
meet
our
cost.
A
Essentially,
we
are
not
allowed
to
to
to
run
at
a
deficit.
Therefore,
we
evaluate
all
of
the
costs
that
are
incurred
every
year
and,
and
that
is
how
we
set
the
the
rates
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
The
the
rates
that
we
are
announcing
tonight
will
be,
in
effect
starting
the
the
the
july
bills
which
which
are
going
out
to
residents
at
the
end
of
this
month.
A
So,
just
to
give
everyone
a
a
an
overview
right
of
the
challenges
that
that
that
the
department
of
public
works
faces
as
we
set
these
rates.
The
the
the
first
and
biggest
challenge
in
my
opinion
is
that
the
the
the
majority
of
our
of
our
of
our
cost
for
water
and
sewer
are
are
tied
to
the
the
assessment
that
is
is
given
by
the
mwra.
A
The
mwra
is
a
is
a
a
regional
entity
that
provides
water
and
treats
the
the
sewer
for
chelsea.
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
slide
in
for
fy22,
the
mwra
is
proposing
a
combined,
I'm
sorry,
an
increase
of
6.7
percent
for
water
and
an
increase
of
five
point.
Four
four
percent
for
sewer.
This
is
a
combined
f.
Five
point:
seven
percent
increase
to
our
our
cost.
Also.
A
A
Nobody
have
not
been
able
to
recoup
a
lot
of
our
costs,
and
finally,
this
is
something
that
we
have
talked
about
during
the
cip
hearings
during
our
budget
hearings,
and
it
is
essentially
that
we
have
a
lot
of
aging
infrastructure
and
with
engineering
with
aging
infrastructure
comes
two
big
things.
One
is
the
the
cost
of
large
investments
and
also
the
cost
of
of
of
repairs.
A
So
this
light,
it
is,
is
essentially
a
snapshot
right
of
how
our
budgets
are
made
up.
So
the
the
pie
chart
on
the
right
shows
the
the
combined
expenses
for
our
water
enterprise
and
the
pie
chart
on
the
on
on
the
right
shows
the
combined
expenses
for
our
sewer
enterprise.
As
you
can
see,
in
gray,
the
majority
of
our
costs
are
are
incurred
from
the
cost
of
the
mwra
water
assessment
and
and
again
on
the
table
of
at
the
bottom.
A
So
this
is
a
a
visual
way
of
showing
what
what
I
spoke
about
earlier,
that
the
the
the
larger
users
in
fy
21,
which
is
the
year
that
just
ended.
We
saw
a
a
large
decrease
in
the
consumption
of
water
in
those
users,
and
we
attribute
that
to
to
hotels
being
closed
to
to
our
our
large
office
buildings
being
closed.
A
And
finally,
you
know
referring
back
to
to
our
aging
infrastructure
in
chelsea,
we
have
had
a
large
support,
both
from
the
state,
the
federal
government
and
our
city
council
in
terms
of
continuing
to
invest
in
our
infrastructure.
However,
we
we
do
still
have
a
lot
of
infrastructure
that
has
to
be
replaced
and
we
are
aggressively
working
on
it,
but
undoubtedly
it
does
have
an
impact
on
our
cost.
A
So
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
share
the
proposed
increases
for
this.
Also,
this
upcoming
fiscal
year.
So
on
the
table,
what
we
are
showing
is
chelsea.
We
separate
the
our
users
into
into
three
tiers
tier
one
are
homes
that
use
from
one
to
one
thousand
cubic
feet
per
month.
Tier
two
are
our
homes
that
use
from
1001
to
2
500
cubic
feet
per
month,
and
tier
3
are
our
large
users,
which
use
25
100
cubic
feet
or
more.
A
So
what
what
I
am
highlighting
in
the
right
and
in
the
red
is,
is
the
proposed
increases
in
fy
22.?
So,
as
you
can
see
for
tier
one,
we
are
proposing
an
increase
of
2.5
for
tier
two.
We
are
proposing
an
increase
of
two
point,
six
percent
and
for
tier
three,
which
are
which
are
our
biggest
users.
We
are
proposing
an
increase
of
five
percent.
A
What
I
also
want
to
to
to
highlight
is
that,
if
you
recall
in
the
last
two
fiscal
years,
we
have
really
tried
to
hold
our
increases
as
much
as
possible
in
fy
20,
we
reduced
our
combined
increase
for
tier
one
and
tier
two
to
one
percent
and
in
fy
21,
with
with
with
recognition
of
the
impacts
of
covid.
We
we
held
the
the
increases
for
tier
one
and
tier
two
at
zero
percent.
So
again
in
fy
20
it
was
one
percent
in
fy
21.
A
So
what
I
did
here
is,
I
took
six
communities
that
I
feel
are
are
comparable
to
us.
It
is
those
communities
that
are
that
are
are
closest
to
us,
and
we
we
basically
compared
what
is
the
cost
of
water
and
sewer.
So,
as
you
can
see,
chelsea
has
a
combined
cost
for
120
100
cubic
feet
per
year
of
1700
and
80
cents,
and
and
the
the
this
slide
shows
that
there
are
several
communities
like
riviera,
summerville
and
winthrop
that
are
more
expensive
than
chelsea.
A
B
Okay
over
here
I
see
on
the
page
before
you
said
over
here,
it
says
more
than
ever.
Costs
are
highly
highly
subsidized
by
the
general
tax
levy.
So
why
can't
this
city
do
the
same
thing
as
malden
does
so
to
the
people
outside
tax,
leaving
means
that
they're
being
taken
up
to
the
city
taxes,
the
taxes
are
subsidized
in
the
water.
B
C
B
So
I
want
that
people
to
understand
that
that's
what
it
is.
So
when
you
came
up
here
before
I
know
you
gave
a
moderate.
Your
explanation
is
fairly
well
done.
Why
you
know
why
you
need
it
and
why
you
don't
need
it,
but
when
you,
what
I
want
to
understand
is
we
have
a
water
department?
What
was
the
amount
of
money
we
saved?
Can
we
subsidize
that
towards
it,
or
is
that
already
being
subsidized
to
keep
the
rates
lower.
A
A
A
A
A
We
can
definitely
have
that
conversation,
but
it
it's
a
longer
conversation,
so
so
the
way
that
it
is
set
up
now
it's
an
enterprise
fund,
so
so
in
the
enterprise.
All
of
the
costs
that
are
incurred
in
that
enterprise
have
to
be
covered
in
that
enterprise
right.
So
so
we
can't
borrow
from
the
tax
levy
in
the
current
setup
that
we
have
right,
so
so
the
the
the
savings
that
we
have
incurred
with
with
with
with
dpw
taking
over
the
water
department
and
in
the
budget
hearings.
A
I
assured
that
the
the
savings
are
a
lot.
I
mean
we're
we're
talking
about
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
that
that
that
we
think
we're
we're
going
to
save
in
fy
22..
That
is
the
reason
why
in
fy21
and
then
in
fy
20
and
in
fy
22,
we
are
able
to
hold
the
the
the
the
increase
as
as
little
as
possible.
B
Good
explanation
to
the
people
can
understand,
because
you
have
to
explain
if
you're
saving,
why
is
it
going
up
so
now
you're
telling
them
you're
saving
is
actually
compensated
for
going
up
higher
because
that's
saving
a
spread
on
the
cost
of
fixing
it
to
fix
the
enterprise
fund.
Most
people
don't
know,
I
didn't
know
what
an
enterprise
fund
was
simple
put
enterprise
fund
is
the
money
the
city
uses
to
fix
the
water,
the
pipes,
the
sewer,
your
meters,
whatever
it
needs
and
that's
covered
through
your
water
okay.
B
So
what
mr
fidel
told
you
in
some
ways,
it's
the
accurate
way
that
he
explained
to
you,
but
there's
some
things
here
that
I
still
I
wanted
the
people
to
know
exactly
to
understand.
So
this
is
a
simple
way.
What
you
explained
is
a
simple
way
because
they
could
come
back
and
tell
you
and
say
well,
mr
fidel.
If
we
save
seven
hundred
dollars,
why
did
you
raise
it?
You
rate
the
reason
you
raised
it
because
that's
700
made
up
the
difference
that
you're
losing
in
the
enterprise
fight.
B
So
that's
that's
the
bottom
line
that
you
explain
to
the
people
because
they
won't
understand
if
you
tell
them
you're
saving
700
to
a
million
dollars
and
then
you're
still
raising
the
rate
so
where's
the
money
going.
You
explain
to
it
where
it's
going.
So
that's
a
now.
The
next
question
I
have
so,
in
other
words,
an
order
for
the
city
for
itself,
like
you
like
it
says
over
here
in
this
part
here
for
the
city
to
keep
us
water
rates
down,
because
water
rates
is
a
mortgage.
Most
people
is
a
mortgage.
B
Even
if
you
use
a
low
amount.
Your
minimum
you'll
pay
is
300
and
if
you
own,
a
single
family
home
and
there's
only
two
people
you're,
probably
averaging
out
a
hundred
dollars
a
month,
if
you
own
a
true
family
home
or
three
family
home-
and
you
got
even
if
you
1700
1800,
it
still
comes
up
to
300
or
more
so.
In
other
words,
how
do
we
gonna
stop
the
steam
rolling
of
becoming
a
bigger
mortgage
it'll
be
like
a
bigger
mortgage
payment?
B
So
the
only
way
that
I
can
see
from
this
is
to
being
subsidized
through
the
tax
you
would
have
to
you
know
each
year,
if
you
have
a
surplus
of
money
from
the
taxpayers,
if
some
of
it
should
be
like
revere
like
here,
you
said,
everett
a
slot
a
lower
because
they
have
tax
leaving,
so
that
means
they
use
their
tax
dollars
to
subsidize
the
homeowners
who
own
this
stuff.
So
I
was
wondering:
is
that
possible
for
us
to
do
the
same
thing.
A
Yeah
that
I
said,
as
I
said
earlier,
that
that's
a
larger
conversation
that
I
think
you
know
has
to
be
had
with
the
larger
council
right
I
mean
my
understanding.
Is
that
it
it?
It
would
require
a
charter
change
right,
I
mean,
and
it
would
it
would
require
for
it
not
to
be
set
up
as
an
enterprise,
but
I
do
want
to
answer
your
point
counselor
about.
A
A
B
I
don't
want
to
say
I
never
say
what
I
do,
but
I
was
an
instrumental
part
in
doing
that
and
getting
that
20
for
people
65
years
or
older,
which
at
one
time
when
they
gave
a
10
discount
the
city
would
only
give
you
10
discount
on
the
apartment
you
lived
in
now.
If
you
have
a
three
family
home,
they
give
you
if
you're
a
senior
citizen,
twenty
percent
on
all
your
flaws.
Thirty.
A
A
B
So
to
give
people
more
flexibility,
I
made
it
from
zero
to
a
thousand
a
thousand
to
twenty
five,
but
there
has
to
be
another
way
right,
mr
fidel,
it's
got
nothing
on
you.
It's
got.
It's
got
to
do
with
the
people
living
here.
We
don't
want
to
drive
them
out.
We
don't
want
the
tenants
to
pay
more
money,
and
I
understand
that
the
city
itself
has
to
sustain
itself.
B
A
The
underly
array-
you
know-
and
that's
something
very
important
right
so
so
this
year,
counselor,
the
the
mwra
gave
us
an
increase
of
five
point.
Seven
percent
right
so
so
that
their
increase
is
actually
twice
as
high
as
the
increase
that
we
are
giving
right
and
and
and
we're
able
to
keep
our
our
increase
low
up
compared
to
what
they're
giving
us.
B
I
commend
you,
for
you
know
what
you're
doing
it's
a
good
thing:
you're
trying
to
help
you're
trying
not
to
hurt
the
water
consumption
people
so
much.
You
have
to
do
what
you
have
to
do.
I
understand
that,
but
I
still
don't
get
it.
Why
does
that
nwra
charge
us
more
money?
What
is
the
reasoning
behind
them
charging
us
more?
B
Well,
we
can't
we've
been
trying
to
fix
our
system.
That's
what
you
and
mr
ambrosino
and
the
rest.
I've
been
trying
to
do
by
separating
our
pipes
and
connecting
it
and
doing
because
our
system
is
old.
It
won't
be
done
now
we'll
be
done
within
a
few
years.
Okay,
that's
the
reason
they
told
me
so
once
we
finish
all
this
right,
the
nwra
shouldn't
have
any
more
reason.
Is
that
the
reason
why
they
charge
us
more
money
because
we
discharge
more
water.
A
It's
definitely
one
of
the
reasons
it's
one
of
the
reasons,
so
so
what
what
you
are
referring
to
is
that
a
a
a
lot
of
our
pipes
are
are
combined
right,
so
so
rain,
water
and
sewer.
Yes,
yes,
go
on
the
same
pipe
right,
so
so
we
we
are
paying
for
all
the
rain
water
that
it
is
going
on
those
pipes
right.
But
in
order
to
to
separate
it,
we.
B
B
The
answer
I
just
said
you
know
I'm
redundant,
I'm
going
back
to
the
same
question,
but
the
thing
is
they
say
because
we
use
more
water
because
we
use
more
drain
water
and
but
isn't
this
some
way
that
they
can
compensate
us
for
that,
could
they
say?
Oh
well,
chelsea
has
an
old
age.
You
know
ancient
system
right,
so
let's
give
them
a
break.
C
A
We,
you
know
what
I'll
say:
counselor
is
that
we
luma
molet,
who
who
who
works
in
in
my
office.
He
is
part
of
the
executive
board
and
and
every
year
that
that
the
mwra
announces
those
increases.
We
we
fight
for
this
right.
We
we
we
advocate
for
a
lower
increase,
both
our
city
manager
and
myself.
We
go
talk
to
the
board
and,
and
we
really
try
to
fight
for
a
lower
rate
every
year
every
year.
A
B
In
the
long
run,
they're
the
ones
that
win,
they
determine
your
rate.
So,
in
other
words,
let
me
put
it
bluntly
and
the
way
it
had
so
that
people
can
really
understand
what
it
means,
how
the
only
way
you
ever
ever
ever
ever
gonna
see
your
water
rate
lower
as
if
it's
subsidized
to
your
tax,
just
like
everett
does,
because
otherwise
your
rates
are
gonna,
go
up
each
year
according
to
what
the
nwra
charges
and
how
much
money
the
enterprise
fund,
how
much
money
comes
into
that
fund.
B
So
the
water
department
of
our
city
with
mr
fidel
and
mr
luke.
They
have
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
money
for
them
to
function,
so
I
could
fight
until
I'm
blue.
I
can
fight
until
I
turn
22
colors,
but
it
wouldn't
matter
unless
we
as
counselors,
my
fellow
councillors
determined
that
we're
going
to
have
to
do
something
like
ever
did
to
subsidize
our
water
in
some
way.
So,
even
if
each
year
it
increases
it
increases
a
minimal
amount.
They'll
increase
a
half,
a
percent
one
percent.
A
Yeah,
the
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
add
counselor
is
that
you
know
we.
We
heard
your
concerns
about.
You
know
the
the
the
price
of
water
in
the
last
two
years,
and
we
we
discounted
a
lot
to
one
population
right
and
it
was
seniors
and,
and
those
seniors
are
now
enjoying
a
30
discount
which,
which
is
very
nice
and
and
very
heavy
right.
I
mean,
if
you
recall,
commend.
B
C
A
I'm
getting
at
counselors
is
that,
a
few
months
ago,
when
you
were
setting
the
the
tax
rate
right,
our
city
manager,
what
what
he
he
suggested
is
actually,
instead
of
holding
down
the
the
taxes
for
everyone,
you
know
what
what
he
suggested
was
was
putting
a
little
money
aside
right
for
those
people
that
that
needed
it
right.
So,
if
you
recall
the
the
council
yeah.
A
B
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
is.
Mr
fatale,
I
can't
tell
you
what
the
solution
is.
I
don't
know
what
it
is
I
just.
I
can
only
how
to
say
it.
Let
me
put
an
easy
way.
I
can
only
ask
you
to
see
if
it's
possible
to
do
such
a
thing.
I
don't
know
how
it
is
because
I'm
not
the
brain
set
of
the
water
and
sewer
department,
I'm
just
a
simple
man
that
tries
to
understand
what
it
is
and
I
want
the
rest
of
the
people
to
understand
the
same
way.
B
B
Nobody's
saying
that
you
want
the
rates
to
go
up
higher
the
city
whatever
it
is,
the
forces
to
beat
are
making
it
to
go
higher,
but
it
cannot
go
so
high
at
a
point
where
your
payment
is
so
high
that
the
person
can't
you
know
what
I
mean
you
have
to
make
it
where
water
is
a
necessity
of
life,
don't
use
the
necessity
of
life
to
kill
us
sure.
I.
A
A
So
so,
a
few
years
ago,
if
you
recall
we,
we
we
tried
to
to
implement
a
another
discount
right,
I
mean,
and
unfortunately
we
didn't
make
it
through.
But
there's
a
movement
now
of
a
lot
of
communities
are,
are
implementing
a
a
low
income
discount
right
so
so
similar
to
what
what
the
council
did
with
the
with
with
the
rates
right
for
taxes
that
you,
you
set
aside
some
money
for
those
homeowners
that
can't
afford
their
you
know
are
having
issues
financially
so.
B
B
So
if
you
really
want
it
like
you
just
said,
communities
are
doing
that
now,
so
why
can't
in
other
words,
maybe
next
year
or
the
year
after
the
year
after
that,
eventually,
in
the
long
run,
you
should
try
to
implement
something
like
that
where
people
that
are
within
a
budget
limit
should
be
able,
you
know
if
they
can't
afford
it,
they
shouldn't
have
to
lose
their
homes
or
they
shouldn't
have
to
charge
their
tenants
outrageous
prices
for
them
to
live
there
yeah.
You
know,
I
agree,
I
that's
a
good
thing
and
yeah.
B
I
ain't
got
much
more
to
say
about
how
you
run
your
operation.
You
know,
I
don't
know
I
I
I'm
not
you
you're
you
and
I'm
just
me
from
what
I
see
you
try
to
keep
the
cars
down.
I
was
all
I
wondered
you
said
to
us
before
when
mister
the
other
council
asked,
you
said:
we're
saving
the
money.
Now
you
explain
to
the
people
that
the
money
you're
saving
is
going
towards
the
enterprise
fund.
B
That
was
low,
so
you
subsidized
it
in
some
ways
that
money
that
you're
saving
you
subsidize
it
through
the
water
and
sewer
through
the
enterprise
fund.
So
that's
one
way
to
explain
to
the
people
where
the
savings
are
going
and
as
far
as
the
other
thing,
you
have
no
control
how
much
the
mw
rate
charges
us.
B
So
if-
and
I
can,
I
still
don't
know
the
explanation
they
gave
me
years
ago.
It
doesn't
set
well
with
me
that
they're
charging
us
because
we're
throwing
more
water
if
it
rains
more.
So
the
city
of
chelsea
has
to
hope
that
it
doesn't
rain
when
it
rains
we
get
paid,
we
pay
for
it,
but
in
the
long
run,
here's
the
basic
question.
I
want
to
ask
you,
mr
fidel,
and
I
want
all
the
homeowners
and
everybody
to
understand
in
simple
words,
is
there
going
to
be
a
formula
to
help
the
homeowners
that
are
here?
B
Yeah
is
there
any
way
you
you
know?
I
know
you
we're
helping
the
seniors.
Fine,
that's
good!
How
about
the
average
homeowner?
Is
there
any
way
that
we
can
help
them?
Do
you
proceed
a
formula
in
the
near
future
or
in
the
far
future?
Whatever
it
is
that
you're,
you
propose
something
where
you
have
money
put
aside
for
low
income.
They
have
it,
they
can't
afford
it.
That's
one
way,
but
it's
that's
only
helping
one
sector
of
it
right
is
there
a
way
we
can
help
everybody.
B
Those
are
people
that
fall
between
the
cracks
they
make
more
money
than
their
standards,
but
still
have
problems
so
for
those
type
of
people
there
should
be
some
help
somehow
somewhere,
but
I'm
asking
you
and
you
can
tell
all
the
public
outside
whoever's
watching
this
right.
The
simple
thing
is
that
anywhere
in
the
near
future
that
you
perceive
helping
the
people.
A
You
know,
I
think,
that
that
what
we
are
doing
counselor
is,
as
you
said,
we're
trying
to
keep
our
costs
down.
We
are
trying
to
deliver
really
good
service
and-
and
I
hope
that
the
the
residents
are,
are
seeing
a
change
or
seeing
a
difference
that
when,
when
someone
calls
311-
or
they
call
dpw,
we
are
answering
those
calls
right
away,
we
are
are
making
fixes
right.
I
mean
right
away
the
the
idea
that
that
costs
up
are
going
on
are
going
up
tremendously.
B
B
B
Sure
I
thank
you
for
what
you
said
and
I
thank
you
for
explaining
to
the
people
what
everything
is,
and
I
hope
that
eventually
you
will
come
across
mr
fidel
in
a
way
to
help
the
public
more
because
you
have
done
you
explained
very
well
where
the
savings
went.
The
savings
went
to
fixing
and
to
the
enterprise
that
was
low,
and
maybe
the
people
outside
can
understand
I'll
repeat
it
again.
The
only
way
you
ever
gonna
see
your
water
bill
go
down,
it's
plain
and
simple:
if
you
subsidize
it
like
ever,
it
does.
B
Otherwise,
the
only
way
is
for
the
council
itself
to
turn
around
and
put
some
fund
aside
to
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
subsidize
the
water
for
the
city,
a
percentage
of
it
and
if
we
have
extra
money,
otherwise,
whatever
mr
fidel
and
his
department
is
doing
it's
fine,
it's
a
good.
You
know
it's
a
good
job,
they're
doing
a
great
job.
They
try
to
minimize
the
cost
they're
trying
to
do
what
they
can,
but
they
can
only
do
so
much.
I
guess
the
rest
is
up
to
us.
A
The
trash,
yeah
and
and
I'll
just
add
that
that
trash
as
a
whole
in
the
country,
it
is
in
a
very
difficult
situation
because
of
the
cost
of
recycling
right.
So
so,
as
you
know,
the
the
cost
of
recycling
has
has
gone
up
tremendously.
Now.
One
difference
in
in
in
the
way
that
we
charge
for
trash
is
that
it
is
not
an
enterprise
fund.
A
It
is
actually
subsidized
by
our
taxes,
so
so
the
the
we
have
historically
never
raised
enough
money
to
to
fully
cover
the
cost
of
our
of
of
our
trash
cost
and
every
year
we
have
to
give
up
from
our
tax
dollars
a
lot
of
money
towards
our
our
trash.
Now
in
chelsea,
we
we
are
lucky
in
some
ways
that
that
we
we
have
a
a
a
resident
or
a
homeowner
incentive
right.
A
A
So
with
all
that
said,
what
in
trash,
what
we
are
proposing
is
an
increase
of
eight
percent,
so
so
eight
percent,
eight
percent
in
in
trash
cost,
and-
and
I
do
want
to
share
that-
that
right
now,
as
you
know,
counselor
we
are
in
a
little
bit
of
flux
with
with
our
our
contractor,
so
we
we
managed
to
to
to
to
extend
our
contract
for
one
more
year.
Right,
I
mean,
and
that
was
done
really
because
of
covid.
A
B
B
That's
the
increase
for
trash,
that's
moderate,
but
the
part
that
you
just
said
right
is
an
interesting
part
where
you
said
right
now
we
were
able
to
adjust
with
the
contract
that
we
have
now
so
now.
What
happens?
If
you
cannot
get
a
contractor
like
that,
could
you
see
an
increase
of
your
trash
to
25
at
one
time.
A
So
I
sure
hope
not
counselor
I
mean
we
both
tom
and
I
are
our
city
manager
and
I
are
are
constantly
negotiating
this
with
with,
with
our
current,
a
contractor
and
other
contractors
in
the
area.
Right
so
I
mean
so
so
we
are
going
to
work
as
hard
as
we
can
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen
in
chelsea
the.
B
A
So
the
the
what
the
city
manager
responded
is
that
when
we
looked
at
it
two
years
ago,
you
know
the
the
the
the
cost
of
the
hauling
was
was
a
lot
lower
than
it's
going
to
be
right.
So
so
what
he
essentially
said
is
that
if
the
prices
of
a
contractor
keep
going
up
a
lot,
then
it
might
make
sense
for
us
to
look
at
this
again,
but
what
he
he
he
responded
is.
Essentially
you
know,
let's,
let's
watch
it.
Let's,
let's
see
in
the
next
two
years,.
A
B
A
B
B
A
Yeah
well,
the
the
the
recycling
cost
is
interesting
right,
I
mean
so
so
one
year
ago
it
it
was
very
high.
So
so
we
were
paying
almost
twice
as
much
to
to
get
rid
of
of
recycling
as
as
we
were
for
for
trash
right.
So
so
the
the
market
is
changing,
though
right
and
and
things
are,
are
stabilizing.
You
know
there's
things
that
are
outside
of
our
control.
You
know,
and
that
is
why
I
can't
answer
the
question
that.
B
You're
telling
me
I
put
you
on
the
spot,
it's
the
wrong
thing,
but
more
or
less
the
people
can
have
an
idea
right
that,
if
let
me,
let
me
put
it
in
a
basic
term,
okay,
so
that
people
can
understand-
and
I
understand
if
the
rates
don't
stabilize
and
this
trash
hauling
stuff
doesn't
stabilize
itself
in
the
near
future.
You're
going
to
be
doubling
your
trash
if
they
hauling
companies
decide
that
they're
not
going
to
stabilize
or
if
the
cost
of
having
your
recycle
triple,
because
you
said
that
recycle
doubled
within
a
year.
B
So
I
get
where
you're
coming
from
so
that
all
depends
on
whatever
the
hauling
companies
decide
to
do
and
how
it
is
that
they
charge
us
for
the
rates.
If
we
get
a
good
contract
with
the
company,
we
have
a
lower
rate.
If
we
cannot.
That
means
that
people
expect
a
higher
rate
plain
and
simple.
Is
that
an
easy
way
to
put
it
yeah.
A
No,
the
only
thing
that
I
would
add
is
is
that
our
city
manager
and
myself
I
mean
we-
we
were
constantly
talking
to
to
not
only
our
contractor
but
also
contractors
in
the
area.
As
you
know,
there's
there's
a
we
holler
in
revere
that
we
talked
to
quite
a
bit.
There's
there's
many
haulers
in
the
area
that
that
want
our
business.
So
we
are
going
to
work
as
hard
as
we
can
to
to
to
make
it.
B
B
Now
most
little
cities
are
trying
to
implement
the
same
thing
that
we
did
absolutely
they're
trying
now
so
we're
ahead
of
the
game,
we're
we
were
farther
ahead
than
the
rest
in
some
ways,
because
it's
happening
all
over
now.
It's
not
just
happening
here.
When
trump
does
it,
I
think,
does
revere
do
it,
I'm
not
sure
they.
You
know
they
all
they
all.
Would
they
all
pay
now
right
and
we
still
have
them,
but
we
are
still
relatively
low
and
I
cannot
the
question.
B
B
Not
out
there
trying
to
kill
the
people
with
your
ta
with
your
rates,
so
that's
to
be
commended
when
you're
not
trying
to
kill
the
people.
If
the
people
understand
how
it
operates,
they
will
you
know,
no
one
wants
to
pay
anything
more.
I
don't
you
don't
nobody
wants
to
pay
more,
but
there
has
to
be
a
limit.
How
much
you
can
actually
pay
right,
mr
fidel
sure,
so.
C
B
A
Sure
I
mean,
and
as
our
city
manager
answered
it,
it's
something
that
we
we're
going
to
look
that
closely
and
and
we're
thinking
that
you
know
in
another
two
years,
we'll
look
at
it
again,
so
we
we
first
looked
at
it,
as
you
know
it
in
in
2019.
We
we
looked
at
it
and-
and
it
didn't
make
sense,
then
in
2021
we
looked
at
it
again
and,
and
it
looked
a
little
better,
but
but
not
as
good.