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From YouTube: City Council Sub Committee Meeting of 7-27-20
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City of Chelsea
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Chelsea Community Cable TV
A
Okay,
the
reading
of
the
meeting
is
the
meeting
will
be
held
via
video
call
and
in
live
to
discuss
the
following
matter:
discuss
the
removal
in
regard
to
the
christopher
columbus
statue
and
the
history
and
the
historical
commission
in
the
chelsea
arts.
Commission
shall
place
on
their
agendas
to
collaborate
and
discuss
the
replacing
of
such
statues
with
a
memorial
for
original
indigenous
evidence
of
chelsea
to
remember
their
place
in
justice
history.
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A
A
A
So
that
was
the
genesis
of
my
reason
behind
the
order,
and
I
wanted
to
allow
members
of
the
historical
commission
and
the
arts
and
cultural
commission
who
would
probably
decide
what
anything
may
look
like
if
we
do
or
to
replace
it,
to
also
offer
them.
And
I
think
that
would
be
the
bodies
that
would
be
part
of
the
process
and
get
their
thoughts
before
I
relegated
to
them
what
they
had
on
their
opinion.
So
I'll
now
allow
my
cosigners
to
speak
if
they'd
like
by
raising
a
hand.
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B
C
If
this
is
an
interesting
situation,
we
have
one
we
want
to
honor
native
americans.
Yes,
I
agree
with
you.
We
should
honor
them
too,
but
don't
get
rid
of
your
past
embrace
your
past,
because
your
past
will
lead
you
to
your
future.
There's
always
been.
The
thing
is
the
poor
immigrants,
their
latino
immigrants,
the
hard-working
latino
immigrants?
They
spent
all
their
money
to
put
this
statue,
which.
E
C
C
Told
how
it
was
dying,
but
it's
still
their
history
and
it's
still
their
heritage,
and
that
statue
is
the
only
latino
statue.
You
have
there's
no
other
latino
statue.
What
you
want
to
get
rid
of
something
that's
been
there
that
was
done
by
the
hard-working
people
that
they
paid
the
city
never
gave
them
any
money.
The.
C
Is
there
I
asked
90
percent
of
the
people,
don't
know
it
steve,
it's
always
coming.
I
didn't
even
know
it
was
there,
so
you
have
something
that
was
done
by
hispanics.
Why
do
you
want
to
get
rid
of
the
latino
culture
and
the
hispanic
culture?
It's
part
of
it?
Don't
get
rid
of
it,
embrace
it
be
proud
of
it?
Yes,
maybe
columbus
wasn't
the
greatest
as
they
say,
but
he
did
the
greatest
thing.
C
He
brought
us
all
here
without
him,
you
wouldn't
have
the
rest
of
the
culture
that
we
have
today,
so
why
you
want
to
get
rid
of
it.
Not
only
that,
oh
here's
something
else
about
congress.
If
you
know
your
history,
columbus
came,
he
only
landed
in
two
places.
He
never
went
to
anywhere
in
america.
He
only
landed
in
the
irish
then
when
he
brought.
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C
A
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G
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
on
topic,
and
so
I'm
gonna
just
focus
on
the
statue
for
now
since
I
was
born
since
I
remember
my
earliest
memory
of
being
in
school,
christopher
columbus
discovered
america
and
he
came
here-
and
there
was
this-
he
was
this
guy
dressed
as
colonial
clothes,
and
I
remember
coloring
little
turkeys
and
native
americans,
professor
hats.
This
is
what
we
have
been
taught,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
you
can't
discover
a
land
that
was
already
occupied
by
the
original
land
dwellers.
G
So
if
we're
gonna
have
a
statue
in
chelsea
square
in
front
of
a
police
station
as
we're
beautifying
this
community,
it
should
be
something
that
exemplifies
the
diversity
of
this
community
and
not
a
colonizer
that
that
raped,
that
pillage
that
exploited
natural
resources
and
actually
committed
genocide
on
the
original
land
dwellers.
So
yes,
it's
history,
so
let's
put
them
somewhere.
I
don't.
We
can't
erase
history,
but
it's
just
not
an
accurate
depiction
of
the
of
our
history,
our
collective
history
of
the
reality
of
this
country.
Maybe
your
history
and
that's
okay.
G
So,
let's
find
somewhere
else
where
we
could
put
that
statue.
But
I
think
that
if
we're
going
to
celebrate
something
and
have
something
at
the
forefront
in
the
center
of
our
city,
it
should
be
something
that
embodies
our
values
and
not
that
depicts
genocide
or
rape
or
the
killing
of
native
american
people.
My
apologies,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
damage
caused
at
the
hands
of
this
explorer
that
wasn't
a
funky
fellow.
According
to
you
that
came
to
this
country
discovering
a
land
that
was
already
occupied.
G
I
think
I
think
it
sets
a
bad
example
and
as
we're
going
to
continue
to
move
forward
and
try
to
undo
465
years
in
the
making
of
systemic
inequity
that
I
think
it
starts
with
starting
to
depict
characters
that
represent
our
values.
That's
all
I'll
say
on
that
for
now.
Thank
you,
council
president
leah
robinson.
B
Actually,
the
statue
was
not
by
the
police
station
it's
right
across
from
where
the
knights
of
columbus
used
to
be,
and
actually
those
history
books.
The
statue
used
to
be
right
out
here
in
front
of
city
hall.
It
was
originally
moved
down
to
where
president
is
located
right
now.
That's
all
I
want
to
say
to
correct
the
record.
K
Thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me
we
can
okay
great,
so
I
think,
first
of
all,
I
think
that
one
of
the
most
important
steps
that
we
would
have
to
take
in
terms
of
our
decision
moving
forward,
I
mean
we
should
back
up
a
little
bit
and
I
can
explain
my
you
know
my
background.
I've
been
on
the
historical
commission
for
about
two
years
now,
I'm
the
chair
and
I
have
a
background
in
many
of
these
issues.
K
My
phd
from
boston
university
is
actually
from
in
cultural
heritage
management,
so
these
types
of
issues
are
not
unique
to
chelsea
they're
national
issues.
They're
international
issues
and
the
way
in
which
things
are
playing
out
now
has
revived
a
lot
of
these
types
of
discussions
on
a
local
level.
So
one
of
the
first
things
I
think
is
most
important
is
better
understanding
public
opinion
about
the
situation
so
all
of
chelsea.
I
understand
that
they,
I'm
not
it's
totally
clear
about
how
this
initiative
was
inspired.
K
I
do
know
that
there
is
a
change.org
position
online
right
now
that
has
about
700
signatures
or
or
so,
and
that
really
just
calls
for
removal.
It
doesn't
really
discuss
what
we're
going
to
do
say
after
removal
may
move
forward,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
you
know
beyond
just
getting
a
better
sense
of
public
opinion
and
how
we
go
about
that
is,
I
think
something
the
subcommittee
could
discuss.
What
avenues
are
available
to
us
are
potential
legal
matters
that
we
may
want
to
figure
out
before
rendering
a
decision.
K
Many
of
these
types
of
statues
have
been
put
up
by
private
organizations
and
individuals
with
funds,
and
those
funds
have
been
used
to
establish
a
a
trust,
a
legal
trust
of
some
sort
to
be
able
to
continue
the
maintenance
and
care
of
the
statue.
So
that
might
be
something
that
needs
to
be
investigated.
First,
is
that
if
there
was
a
legal
trust
set
up
for
the
care
of
the
statue,
any
decisions
that
are
made
about
how
this
statue
is
going
to
be
treated
needs
to
be
put
forth
to
that
trust
first
for
approval.
K
The
second
part
of
that,
though,
is
ownership
of
the
land
on
which
the
statue
states,
so
we,
you
know-
and
I
understand
I
think,
that
it's
city,
if
it's
city
property-
and
it
would
be
that
most
likely-
the
trust-
made
a
agreement
if
there
is
a
trust
or
the
people
who
funded
the
statute
made
an
agreement
with
the
city
and
the
city
is
either
donating
or
leasing
land
for
to
allow
the
statue
to
sit.
So
that
would
be
another
piece
of
investigation
that
we
would
need
to
understand.
K
Is
that
relationship
between
the
donators
of
the
statute,
their
original
intent
for
that
statue,
and
then
what
is
that
relationship
who's
in
charge
of
the
land
that
it
sits?
Ultimately,
whoever
is
the
land
you
know,
owner
of
this
piece
of
property.
They
get
to
decide
whether
or
not
that
statue
gets
to
sit
there
or
not.
K
If
we
decide
to
to
remove
it
from
this
place,
the
next
step
of
this
process
is,
we
got
to
figure
out
where
this
thing's
going
to
go
because
counselor
recouper
was
right.
People
paid
for
this
statue
and
the
knights
of
columbus
is
pay
for
the
statue,
so
we
should
give
that
option.
Should
we
choose
to
remove
to
the
original
people
that
donated
to
create
this
thing,
an
option
to
figure
out
if
they
would
like
to
take
it
back
and
put
it
on
their
own
property?
K
So
that's
something
that
is
another
step
that
needs
to
be
investigated.
Is
that,
should
we
decide
to
move
it
who's
going
to
take
it
because,
ultimately,
most
likely
what
is
not
going
to
happen?
I
don't
think
that
this
is
something
anyone
wants
is
that
this
statue
is
destroyed,
that
we
we
we
completely
eliminate
it.
K
That
opens
up
a
lot
of
other
a
lot
of
other
issues,
so
I
feel,
like
a
very
diplomatic
method,
would
be
to
have
another
entity
come
in
and
take
ownership
of
it
and
put
it
on
their
property,
and
then
that
opens
up
other
questions
who's
going
to
pay
for
that.
How
will
it
be
done?
Who
will
take
it,
etc?
K
I
will
clarify
and
say
that
very
unlikely.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
have
been
talking
about
other
statues
around
the
country
that
you
know
we
can
take
them
down.
We
can
put
them
in
museums
or
something
or
historical
societies
can
take
them.
But
to
be
very
frank,
many
of
these
institutions
don't
have
the
money
to
care
for
these
things.
K
So
I
think
that
we
should
be
realistic
and
write
that
off
as
an
option
that
we
can
donate
to
a
museum
or
something
or
for
the
likes,
because
there
are
those
institutions,
both
private
and
government,
funded
in
terms
of
historical
protection
and
museums
and
the
like.
Don't
have
the
money
they're
underfunded.
K
So
let's
say
we
move
forward
and
removal
goes
goes
forth.
Okay,
I
think
that
when
it
comes
to
getting
out
what
public
opinion
means,
we
have
to
figure
out
what
motivated
these
individuals,
who
donated
the
money
to
the
statute,
we're
hoping
to
accomplish-
and
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
late
1930s.
K
These
grander
ideas,
these
big
ideas
and-
and
you
know,
maybe
a
solution.
You
know
by
removing
a
christopher
columbus
statue.
I
think
it's
important
to
highlight
that
it's
not
like
a
knock
against
italian
american
heritage.
There
are
so
many
other
italian
americans
that
we
can
honor.
Instead,
that
have
done
better
things
than
what
columbus
has
done
and
maybe
a
solution
is
a
replacement
that
could
be
funded
either
by
the
knights
of
columbus
or
something
or
the
community.
K
That
replaces
the
void
that
would
be
made
by
removing
christopher
columbus,
something
that
honors
italian-american
heritage,
because
I
think
that's
where
one
of
the
big
pushes
against
this
removal
and
removing
christopher
columbus
in
general
is
going
to
to
create-
and
I
think
you
know-
and
then
there
are
other
reasons
why
we
commemorate
christopher
columbus.
It.
You
know
he
symbolizes
immigration
of
new
people
coming
to
america
and
that's
again,
a
nice
thing
that
chelsea
as
a
city
reflects
in
its
rich
culture
and
diversity,
is
that
immigrants
have
come
and
made
this
city
what
it
is.
K
But
then
again,
christopher
columbus,
isn't
necessarily
a
good
symbol
of
that
idea.
So
we
can
certainly
come
up
with
another
alternative
to
that
right
and
think
about
too.
I
think
that
counselor
tamale
said
this
as
well.
Is
that
by
putting
up
and
say
commemorating
christopher
columbus
or
putting
up
a
statue
that
commemorates
immigrants
there
has,
it
makes
louder
the
absence
of
any
commemoration
of
native
americans
original
inhabitants
to
this
land.
K
So
that's
another
consideration
that
we
should
think
about.
Is
that
sure?
If
we
want
to,
you
know,
highlight
immigrants
we
want
to
highlight
native
americans,
you
know,
let's,
let's
think
about
all
the
different
pieces
of
chelsea
that
are
being
amplified
or
being
hidden
away
or
not
amplified
as
much.
K
The
historical
commission
wouldn't
necessarily
be
able
to
say
have
any
say
in
how
the
statue
is
treated,
meaning
where
it
gets
moved.
Who
takes
ownership
of
it?
What
you
know
what
we're
going
to
do
with
it?
But
we
would,
I
think,
and
I
would
have
to
have
legal
counsel,
be
able
to
clarify
this-
have
a
say
about
whether
or
not
it
should
be
allowed
on
city
property,
and
so
I
can't
write
our
opinion
on
that
without
a
consensus
from
the
other
members
of
the
historical
commission.
A
D
D
If
there
is
one
person
who
did
know
and
did
notice,
the
statue
was
there
and
it
affected
them
profoundly.
Then
that
is
that's
the
important
part
of
this
whole
thing.
So
speaking,
as
somebody
who
is
neither
native
american
nor
italian,
I
am
not
proud
to
to
have
that
statue
in
my
city
because
of
what
it
symbolizes
in
terms
of
the
genocide
and
everything
that
took
place
after
christopher
columbus
landed
wherever
he
lived,
and
so
to
that
point.
L
Well,
I
appreciate
being
invited
this
evening
and
I
find
it
very
interesting.
I
did
write
something
that
I
submitted
and
I
I
will
read
it
to
you.
I
have
to
say
I
agree
with
all
of
you
on
many
levels,
but
let
me
just
read
this
what
I
wrote
and
then
perhaps
I
could
make
a
few
more
comments,
brief
comments.
L
It
was
dedicated
on
october
12th
in
1938,
and
by
reading
the
names
chiseled
on
the
sides
of
these
of
these
sides,
it
was
established
by
many
italian
american
residents
who
were
probably
also
immigrants.
No
doubt
many
of
them
were
immigrants.
As
that
time,
chelsea
was,
and
continues
to
be,
a
marvelous
melting
pot
and
entry
into
the
life
of
america.
L
L
We
stand
on
the
shoulders
of
those
who
have
come
before
us,
some
of
it
good
and
some
we
would
rather
not
talk
about,
but
it
is
part
of
who
we
are.
If
the
statue
was
taken
down,
what
would
happen
to
it?
Would
it
be
destroyed
or
moved
to
another
location?
Would
that
change
the
history
of
what
happened?
L
L
Come
here
and
find
this
world,
who
else
would
have
how
different
would
that
history
have
been?
We
don't
know,
we
really
don't
know,
but
I
I
strongly
believe
that
we
cannot
erase
history,
and
I
understand
there
is
a
move
afoot
in
this
country.
To
do
that,
I
don't
agree
with
it.
I
think
we
need
to
learn
from
it
and
to
never
have
it
happen
again.
A
A
I
see
leo
is
raising
his
hand,
but
I
just
off
first
I'll:
ask
you
those
questions.
Would
we
be
able
to
access
those
records?
Obviously,
we
would
if
we
needed
to
go
forward,
but
do
you
think
that
there's
anything
that
the
city
would
still
have
on
record
regarding
any
of
those
you
know,
agreements
possible
agreements
and
points
made
up
points
brought
up
rather
by
ms
allison.
F
So
I
would
say
that
neither
I
nor
the
city
solicitor
has
done
any
research
on
this,
but
I
would
be
very
surprised
if
we
could
find
a
single
document
on
this
matter.
I
mean
given
that
because,
given
how
much
time
has
passed
since
this
statute
was
first
erected,
I
doubt
we're
going
to
be
able
to
put
our
hands
on
any
documentation.
F
F
B
A
K
That
discusses
this
donation.
So
that
might
be
a
point
of
contact
to
reach
out
the
city
can
notify
them
that
there
is
a
potential
need
to
move
the
statue
and
if
they
would
like
to
take
ownership
of
it,
so
that
would
need
to
be
offered
to
them.
Should
this
be
removed
from
public
land.
That's
all
I
had
to
say.
J
Yes,
my
name
is
ernie
korea.
Can
you
hear
me?
Well
yes,
okay,
I'm
over
here.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
am
a
former
long-time
resident
of
chelsea
and
I've
been
a
member
of
the
chelsea
knights
of
columbus
for
45
plus
years,
and
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
council,
but
I
was
a
graduate
of
chelsea
high
school
and
I
have
to
just
because
I
was
from
chelsea.
J
You
know
I'm
not
in
chelsea
now
I
live
in
saugus,
but
you
can't
take
chelsea
out
of
the
out
of
the
city.
You
can
take
sit
the
kick
the
guy
out
of
chelsea,
but
you
can't
take
chelsea
out
of
the
by
the
individual.
So
I
have
to
speak
and
having
said
that,
I'm
here
because
I
have
to
say
I
am
adamantly
opposed
and
we,
the
knights
of
columbus,
are
adamantly
opposed
to
having
the
dot
the
statue
of
christopher
columbus
taken
down
full
disclosure.
J
My
grandfather's
name
is
on
the
statue.
Someone
had
asked
earlier
about
that
frank
v.
Korea
immigrated
from
italy
in
the
early
1900s
and
his
name
is
on
the
statue
and
I
have
a
list
of
all
the
other
people.
I
remember
there
was
a
conversation
earlier
of
all
the
people
who
whose
names
are
on
the
statue.
I
can
read
them
off
later
at
some
point,
because
the
sons
of
italy
were
there,
they
helped
out,
they
helped
move
it
from
here.
J
It
was
right
outside
this
building
and
it
was
moved
from
here
down
to
chelsea
with
the
assistance
of
the
sons
of
italy.
So
I
just
to
stay
on
that
track.
I'm
a
proud
second
generation,
american,
okay,
my
parents,
my
grandfather,
the
members
of
the
knights-
and
I
feel
it's
important
to
remove
the
statue
that
it
would
be
erasing
history.
It
would
be
erasing
american
history
or
even
missing,
erasing
chelsea's
history.
Chelsea
has
a
history
of
of
welcoming
immigrants
of
all
kinds:
it's
not
limited
to
anyone.
J
They
have
a
diverse,
diverse
population
here,
and
I
think
this
it's
important
that
everybody
realize
that
this
statue
was
given
and
donated
as
a
gift.
It
was
a
gift
from
a
bunch
of
people
and
I
can
read
their
names
here.
There's
multiple
societies,
there's
multiple
people
on
that
statue.
There's
got
to
be
at
least
25
to
35
names
on
the
statue
as
well
as
other
organizations.
I
can
read
them
because
they
have
photos
online
if
you
think
that's
important,
but
it
was
installed
think
about
it
was
installed
during
the
depression.
J
J
J
There's
no
question
about
that,
and
I'm
not
saying
anything
about
that,
but
if
we,
if
the
project
to
build
a-
and
I
just
refer
to
it
as
immigrant
pot,
because
I
think
it
should
cover
the
whole
broad
spectrum
that
you
know
it
would
it
would,
it
was
collaboratively,
planned
and
thought
about
by
multiple
types
of
people.
You
know
it
would
it
would
have
enhanced
what
chelsea
is.
It
would
meant
some
past
wounds,
it
would
let
people
talk
and
you
would
be
able
to
educate.
J
J
If
you
tear
it
down,
you
know
you
have
to
build
it
up.
You
don't
take
your
money,
you
got
to
compromise,
please
use
some.
I
urge
you
to
consider
not
to
remove
it,
because
I
I
feel
like
removal
is
like
destruction
and
it
is
divisive
right.
It
won't
build
the
cot.
It
won't
build
any
community
harmony,
it
won't.
You
know
it
won't
accomplish
things
it
tears
things
down.
I
urge
you
know
take
this.
We
have
to
take
this
opportunity.
J
It's
about
chelsea's,
future,
to
listen
to
each
other's
concerns
and
start
a
dialogue.
Please
don't
remove
it.
It's
part
of
chelsea's
history
is
part
of
american
history.
I
have
to
get.
I
want
to
make
a
quote
and
it
was
made
by
george
santana,
although
that's
not
his
spanish
name,
he
came.
He
was
an
immigrant
from
from
from
spain
educated
in
the
united
states
1800s
and
he's
the
one
who
quoted
and
I'm
going
to
give
two
different
versions
of
this,
because
I
don't
know
if
I
have
the
right
one.
J
He
wants
to
those
who
do
not
learn
from
history
are
doomed
to
report.
It
repeat
it.
Excuse
me,
the
other
one
is
those
who
cannot
remember
the
past
are
condemned
to
repeat
it.
So
please
take
a
moment
to
think
about
just
just
the
term
history.
If
you
can
take
a
second,
it's
his
story,
history,
his
his
story,
think
about
it
think
of
who
writes
history.
It's
the
victors,
it's
the
ones
in
power,
it's
it's!
J
Those
who
are
in
charge
so
they're
the
ones
who
put
the
spin
on
what
is
printed
and
what
is
remembered
and
what
is
taught
so
I
have
to
so
now.
We
and
I'm
saying
we
because
it's
the
chelsea
council
and
everybody
else
who
can
who
wants
to
be
heard
on
this
matter
and
the
more
the
merrier
we're
the
history
with
tomorrow's
historians
so
think
about.
You
know,
1938
think
about
2038.
J
J
J
This
is
before
there
was
any
social
nets
where
there
was
any
food
pantries
where
people
depended
upon
each
other
and
the
catholic
church
stepped
in
to
do
that.
So
I
just
just
it
also
it's
important
to
know
that
the
chelsea
council,
the
chelsea
knights
of
columbus
83,
the
child,
was
granted
on
december
17
1983.
J
So
within
10
years,
13
years
or
whatever
it
is.
We
were
one
of
the
first
councils
in
the
country.
There
are
over
hundreds
of
thousands.
Now
I
don't
know
about
hundreds,
but
there's
quite
a
few
around
the
world,
all
right.
Just
briefly
another
member
of
the
knights
of
columbus
president
john
f
kennedy
he
had
his
anything.
J
J
They
supported
civil
rights
and
they
still
support
civil
rights.
Now
they
welcomed
all
ages
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
united
states,
you
know
I'm
just
going
to
throw
a
couple
of
these
side
things
in
here
in
1961
when
they
had
the
march
in
washington
and
martin
luther
king,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
the
right
year,
I
think
it
was
61
or
63.
when
he
spoke
on
the
on
the
steps
of
the
washington
memorial.
The
united
states.
Excuse
me
the
knights
of
columbus,
donated
25
000
for
blacks
to
stay
in
hotels
during
that
period.
J
This
continues
today
w.d
du
bois.
He
published
he
published
the
book.
He
was
the
founder
before
the
naacp
was
established.
He
published
a
book,
the
united,
the
knights
of
columbus,
were
the
ones
who
who
supported
it
and
backed
it
and
they're.
Still.
We
are
still
doing
this
today,
I'm
going
to
say
the
chelsea
council,
I'm
saying
the
national
council,
okay,
so
during
world
war,
one
all
right,
the
behind
the
knights
of
columbus,
opened
up
a
welcome
center
and
outside
the
welcome
center
says
all
our
welcome
all
is
free,
okay.
J
Finally,
I
have
just
to
come
closer
to
home
to
chelsea,
because
we've
been
around
here
for
a
long
time.
I
am
it's
it's
important
to
know
what
what
we
do
here
or
what
we
have
done
over
the
years.
Chelsea
opened
up
the
council
in
1908
after
the
chelsea
fire
to
provide
support
for
people
who
needed
support.
After
all,
this
section
here
we
were
saying
rose,
was
possibly
going
down
and
going
that
way.
J
They
supported
that
each
year
we
sponsor
a
golf
tournament:
okay
and
the
proceeds
of
that
golf
tournament
go
to
different
things:
scholarships
helping
people
who
need
insurance
and
anybody
in
need
can
come.
You
know
we
we
help
out
a
lot
of
people,
especially
the
churches.
We
donated
over
125
thousand
dollars
to
our
lady
grace
church
and
we
built
a
wall.
This
is
going
back
a
couple
of
years
after
after
we
sold
the
council
that
we
had
so
125
000
went
for
that
we
make
donations
to
the
food
pantry
in
chelsea.
Okay,
we've.
J
J
The
reason
some
of
the
proceeds
for
that,
and
that
was
the
50
wheel
drive
was-
was
for
special
needs
or
handicapped
people,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
with
that
was
we
installed
a
chairlift
for
a
resident
in
chelsea
whose
child
was
in
a
wheelchair,
so
we
installed
it
outside
their
house,
but
you
know
I've
gone
on
long
enough
for
your
consideration,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
we
like
the
idea
of
having
an
immigrant
clock?
If
that's
what
it
is
as
opposed
to
ripping
down?
We
want
to,
we
want
to
keep.
J
We
want
things
to
get
better.
We
don't
want
to
get
things
worse
when
you
rip
things
down,
things
get
worse,
that
might
be
my
personal
opinion,
but
and
as
I
can
see
a
consideration,
if
we
this
proposal
to
build
such
a
path
as
a
collaborative
effort,
we
as
a
council
would
bring
up
in
a
future
meeting
for
the
members
to
vote
on,
to
make
a
donation
all
right,
of
course,
that's
dependent
upon
the
majority
of
the
meeting
members
approving
it,
but
drawing
out
the
olive
branch
here,
please
bring
things
back.
J
J
J
We
are
here
to
help
it's
a
fraternal
organization,
and
it's
it's
it's
something
that
I'm
I'm
proud
to
have
been
a
member
for.
45
years
my
father
was
a
member.
My
grandfather
was
a
number.
His
name
is
on
the
statue
and
again
please
build
make
harmony,
don't
make
things
worse.
Thank
you.
God
bless
us.
God
bless
america,
god
bless
chelsea.
A
Was
criticized
they
were
not
well
received
and
a
lot
of
you
know
derogatory
remarks
were
made
towards
the
times
as
they
came,
and
we
know
what
they
are
yeah:
oh
yeah.
They
we
know
what
they
want,
and
it
seemed
that
to
combat
the
the
tried
of
the
the
bad
press
that
they
were
getting
in
some
of
the
hateful
negative
language
that
was,
you
know,
thrown
their
way
that
they
used
this
statue
as
an
italian
community
italian
american
communities,
where
there
are
strong,
italian
communities
that
this
statue
is
placed.
A
A
So
I
think
we
can
agree
to
that.
So
I
originally
stated
that
it
didn't
seem
that
the
statue
of
columbus
in
chelsea
had
particular
relevance
to
the
history
of
chelsea
itself,
because
if
you
really
go
back,
you
know
he
was
the
explorer
hired
by
the
spanish
right
and
the
spanish
and
territories
is
mostly
at
best
south
of
the
united
states.
A
Maybe
we
should
do
something
as
a
you
know,
you
know
a
compromise,
make
it
an
immigration
part
which
you
know
what
sounds
great.
I
mean
we've
had
waves
after
wave
of
immigrants
come
to
this
city,
french,
french
america.
I
mean
first,
canadian,
russian,
jewish
now
I
mean
puerto
rican.
Now
we
have
central
americans,
and
maybe
we
do
something
to
harmonize
that
along
with
maybe
something
historical
to
this
time.
To
this,
this
part,
whether
it
be
samuel
maverick
or
the
indians
that
were
here.
A
I
don't
think
this
community
chelsea
has
enough
space
to
even
think
about
putting
a
statue
up
for
every
single
nation
of
immigrants
that
has
come
across
here,
whether
it
be
french
american,
whether
it
be
mexican,
whether
it
be
a
salvadorian,
every
single
body
would
want
to
have
their
own
space.
If
that
is
so,
I
ask
if
this
statue
is
not
only
a
statue
of
somebody
who
is
now
in
review,
maybe
not
the
best
choice,
but
is
also
really
the
symbolism
of
trying
to
combat
what
was
back
then,
the
negative
of
the
italian.
A
Why
is
the
italian
statue
left
up
and
not
all
the
other
countries
that
have
come
in
and
everyone
has
their
own
piece
of
the
pie
versus
saying
you
know
what
we're
part
of
the
whole
group?
No
one
is
better
than
the
other,
because
I
think
that
in
a
way
there's
an
argument
that,
right
now
today
there
are
salvadorians
living
in
this
community
that,
like
the
italians
before
them,
you
know,
are
being
slurred
at
they
talked
about
the
mob
they're.
Talking
about
you
know,
mx13.
A
Why
not?
We
have
a
salvadorian,
say:
hey,
you
know
what
we're
going
to
put
a
statue
somewhere
in
chelsea,
because
we
want
to
fight
the
bad
press
and
we're
going
to
pick
someone-
and
you
know-
is
that
right
to
say
to
combat
the
bad
press
that
this
group
is
getting
we're
gonna,
because
there's
a
strong
enough
entity
in
chelsea
and
there's
enough,
I
bet
you,
I'm
not
even
a
salvadorian.
A
The
salvadorian
community
and
say
hey:
let's
kick
up
a
you
know,
let's
do
a
kickstart
and
raise
money
to
put
a
statue
in
a
square.
I
could
probably
do
it
and
I'm
sure
there's
enough
support
to
do
because
there's
enough
pressure
on
the
city
council
to
kind
of
accept
at
this
point,
given
the
strength
of
that
community
at
this
point.
But
does
that
actually
make
sense?
A
Is
that
you
know?
Oh,
you
know.
I
know
that
you
know.
Is
it
fair
to
everybody
to
say
we're
going
to
do
an
immigrant
part,
but
we're
not
going
to
touch.
You
know
columbus,
who
a
really
has
no
relevance
to
the
history
of
chelsea
and
isn't
the
best
symbol
for
immigration,
but
really
it's
because
the
italian
community
is
that's
our
guy,
but
at
the
same
time
we'd
say
we
can't
put
a
statue
for
simon
boulevard
and
I
can
name
a
half
dozen
others.
J
It's
it's
it's
a
step
where
you
know
if
the
people
could
come
together,
sit
down
talk
about
it.
Maybe
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is.
It
turns
out.
I
mean
you
make
a
valid
point.
You
know
the
statute,
for
the
knights
of
columbus
is
a
pretty
high
document
statute.
This
there's
over
the
names
on
there
and
I,
by
the
way
I
can
give
you
the
names
of
the
other
people.
If
you'd
like
I
have
a
photo
of
it,
but
it's
it's.
J
J
There's
it's
a
violent
act,
not
so
much
removing
it,
which
is
I'm
glad
there
was
a
conversation
about
removing
it
and
I
hope
it
doesn't
get
removed
and
that's
my
that's
my
original
promise
when
I
say
all
right,
my
I'm
talking
about
the
nice,
you
know
but
sit
down
and
it
it's
there's
multiple
people.
It's
like
your
meetings
here.
Somebody
has
to
someone
has
to
throw
it
in
olive
bridge.
Maybe
that's
what
it
is.
I
don't
know
I'm
you
know.
B
G
G
Said
I
appreciate,
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
the
work
of
the
knights
of
columbus.
I
grew
up
at
the
knights
of
columbus,
with
my
best
friend
the
lanzillos,
and
so
I'm
familiar
with
a
lot
of
the
work
that
you've
done
and
and
I've
like
it's
a
part
of
my
youth
and
I
and
I
really
appreciate
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that,
but
I
do
take
issue
when
we
say
that
defacing
these
statues
nowadays
is
violent.
G
G
I
don't
want
us
to
put
a
statue
up
of
a
puerto
rican
guy
as
proud
as
I'd
be,
if
he's
known,
to
have
raped,
who
admitted
because
christopher
columbus
there's
documents
after
documents
and
historians,
where
he
wrote
a
letter
to
dona
juana
de
la
torre,
saying
that
he
was
enslaving
and
nine
and
ten-year-old
girls
and
selling
them
into
sex
slavery.
Is
this
who
you
want
to
really
be
the
face
of
the
italian
community?
I
just
feel
that
we
could
do
way
better,
and
I
think
that
look
the
people
that
came
before
us.
G
They
got
it
wrong.
They
got
it
before
like.
I
am
so
proud
of
a
lot
of
of
of
our
ancestors,
but
a
lot
of
them
got
it
wrong
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
get
it
right,
and
so
I'm
just
saying
well,
I
was
in
full
respect
to
the
italian
history.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
how
can
we
do
it
in
a
way
where
we
can
commemorate
the
culture,
but
that
we're
not
triggering
systemic
trauma
and
and
and
oppression
that
christopher
columbus
caused?
So
how
do
we
move
forward
from
this?
G
How
do
we,
because
common,
I
don't
understand
how
you
mitigate
oppression?
I
don't
understand
how
you
mitigate
or
come
to
a
common
ground
on
murder
and
and
this
kind
of
thing.
So
I
just
I,
I
really
want
to
figure
out
yeah.
I
would
love
to
come
to
a
common
ground,
but
I
can't
see
one
where
we're
glorifying
the
statue
that
represents
so
much
damage
and
so
much
violence.
A
K
I
think
just
another.
I
know
I'm
not
going
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
historical
commission,
I'm
speaking
individually
right
now.
I
think
one
thing
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
statues
are
not
history.
They're
representations
of
memory
and
memory
is
how
we
want
to
either
elevate
or
ignore
facts
of
the
past.
K
K
One
of
the
problems
we
have
with
these
statues
now
is
that
we
attempt
to
use
individuals,
people
who
are
flawed
to
represent
bigger
grander
ideas
than
ourselves
individually
and
memory,
because
it
evolves
over
time
at
the
time
that
this
statue
was
put
up.
Christopher
columbus
was
an
appropriate
symbol
and
there
are
good
things
about
what
he
did
in
the
sense
that,
as
an
italian-american
symbol,
he
united
a
group
of
people
that
were
marginalized
in
america
at
that
time.
K
However,
because
memory
changes,
we
know
more
now
about
what
columbus
did,
especially
many
of
the
negative
aspects
of
what
he
did
and
their
impact
on.
Why
our
society
is
the
way
today,
because
of
what
we're
learning
through
the
past,
and
with
that
full
knowledge,
you
need
to
accept
whether
or
not
you
want
to
have
columbus
columbus
as
the
person,
both
his
good
and
negative
aspects
being
in
public
space
in
government-owned
property,
and
by
doing
so
of
allowing
that
to
remain
on
government
property.
K
K
I
think,
ultimately,
it's
going
to
have
to
come
down
to
what
the
public
opinion
of
the
citizens
of
chelsea
feel
about
this
statue,
specifically
christopher
columbus,
being
on
public
property.
If
they're
comfortable
with
that,
and
if
they
are
not,
then
we
should
do
what
the
citizens
want
and
find
a
decision
about
how
that
can
changed
and
rectified.
K
I
think,
ultimately,
what
is
going
to
have
to
happen
if
removal
does
take
place
and
I'll
reiterate
this
again.
Now
that
the
we
have
representatives
of
the
knights
of
columbus,
there
will
probably
have
to
be
a
conversation
between
the
city
and
the
people
who
donated
knights
of
columbus
sons
of
italy,
about
where
the
statue
is
going
to
go
because
destruction,
meaning
destroying
it
pulverizing
it
down
the
dust
that
should
not
happen
either.
K
This
is
property
that
has
been
paid
for,
and
so,
therefore,
if
the
knights
of
columbus
are
willing,
that
could
be
an
option
where
they
take
ownership
of
it
and
find
another
place
for
it.
That
could
be
competent,
but
I
don't
think
that
destruction
is
on
the
table
at
all.
That's,
and
I
I'm
not
suggesting
that
that
is
even
something
that
would
even
be
a
remote
possibility.
K
K
A
G
Yeah
he
just
started
a
petition
asking
when
he
I
believe
when
he
heard
that
there
was
an
order
that
was
put
in
about
the
statue
coming
down.
He
put
in
a
petition
asking
for
people
to
sign
on
if
they
wanted
it
to
come
down,
because
it
represented
systemic
oppression
and
everything
that
he
wrote
in
that
in
that
letter
and
he
circulated
it
online
and
managed
to
get
that
many
signatures.
I
don't
know
anything
more
than
that.
C
G
C
Well,
the
first
thing
I
like
to
say
is
everybody
says:
christopher
columbus
is
an
italian.
In
a
time
of
time.
You
look
back
in
history.
There
was
no
liberty,
but
another
thing:
his
name
is
not
christopher
columbus.
His
name
was
actually
it
was
written
to.
The
spanish
name
was
christopher
colon
for
another,
as
they
say
back
in
the
days
when
columbus
came
here
and
my
fellow
counselor
says
she's
puerto
rican
and
he
killed
puerto
ricans.
Okay,
my
children
are
puerto
ricans.
I
read
a
little
bit
about
puerto
rico.
C
Puerto
rico
was
being
invaded
by
natives
themselves.
The
canadian
indians
used
to
go
to
puerto
rico
and
and
kill
people
there,
but
that's
not
the
issue.
The
issue
is
columbus
was
not
in
a
crime.
There
was
no
italy.
The
times
may
be
adopted
as
they're
wrong,
but
it
was
not
a
time
it
was
a
generous
sales
sailor
or
navigator
and
the
sun's
just
saying
that
he
was
even
jewish.
So
nobody.
C
To
spain,
this
is
very
welcoming
it's
statues
all
over
the
place
about
this
gentleman.
If
you
go
there,
you
see
that
I've
been
there.
I
have
not
seen
it
many
times.
You
go
to
the
dominican
republic
and
they
say
where
his
bones
were
buried.
That's
what
he
died
when
he
got
buried
and
they're
still
telling
you
he's
buried
here.
So
he
wasn't.
C
C
E
C
M
C
C
C
C
E
E
C
A
A
Should
he
should
he
as
a
statue,
as
stated
earlier
by
miss
cunha,
be
elevated?
Should
he
be
the
symbol?
Should
he
be
the
one
oh
symbol
of
of
immigration,
of
this,
of
the
of
whatever?
Should
he
be
chosen
as
a
symbol
giving
what
we
know
today
of
his
history?
Should
he
be
the
one
symbol
for
all
of
that,
or
can
we
find
something
better?
That's
the
discussion.
Can
we
find
something
better
to
symbolize,
whether
it's
the
you
know,
the
the
immigrant
history
of
the
city
of
chelsea?
A
C
A
C
E
C
C
C
That's
part
of
your
heritage,
they
say
to
me:
how
is
it
part
of
my
heritage,
because
when
he
came
here
there
was
no
attack.
He
was
part
of
the
spanish
heritage.
So
when
you
get
him
you
say:
do
you
want
columbus
to
stand
for
the
spanish?
No
for
all
the
spanish,
maybe
not,
but
he
was
the
one
that
brought
all
the
culture
of
all
the
hispanics
that
are
here
all
the
latinos
derived
from
him.
Whatever.
C
C
D
E
C
E
J
Yes,
I
have
a
list
of
the
different
societies
that
contributed
to
that
statute
that
was
dedicated
in
1338
and
there's
just
a
couple
of
them:
giuseppe,
garibaldi
society,
independent
italian-american
citizens.
Ladies,
I'm
not
sure
what
that
ladies
auxiliary
some
that's
kind
of
italian-american
improvement,
club
mill,
hill,
italian
americans,
but
that's
because
they.
C
A
I
Hear
me
yeah,
thank
you
and
I
want
to
apologize.
I
get
off
work
at
five.
I
worked
in
boston,
so
I've
been
here
for
a
while.
I
heard
some
very,
very
encouraging
conversation
when
I
voted
with
my
colleague
recuperate
to
have
this
meeting
called
one
of
the
things
a
few
things
that
I
wanted
to
find
out.
I
On
one
hand,
you
hear
that
there's
the
700
plus
residents
that
say
they
want
to
remove
on
another
hand
you
hear
there's
more
residents
than
that
in
the
city
that
potentially
want
it
to
be
stayed
in
place.
My
question
tonight,
you
know,
after
hearing
some
of
the
facts
and
hearing
some
of
the
history
of
this
conversation,
what
we
need
to
do
is
come
up
with
a
plan
with
what
are
we
going
to
do
after
we
hear
what
we
know
and
we
would
be
able
to
move
forward
to
removing
it.
I
Are
we
going
to
have
a
decision
where
11
members
that
was
elected
to
make
that
decision
or
we're
going
to
actually
really
have
some
input
and,
as
we
have
had
with
other
emotional
and
also
critical
issues
that
come
before
our
city?
You
know
the
statute
supports
a
lot
of
things
and
a
lot
of
things.
It's
bad
to
support
us.
Some
of
them
are
good
and
some
of
them
bad.
I
When
you
look
about
what
the
immigrants
wanted,
someone
a
great
statue
that
didn't
know
the
history
of
this
person-
it
was
what
they
wanted
to
display
when
you
find
out
some
of
the
history
of
christopher
columbus
and
some
of
the
things
that
he
got
away
with
some
of
the
things
that
he's
done.
Some
of
the
documents
that's
been
proven.
I
I
He
comes
with
a
lot
of
information,
but
he
still
haven't
said
anything
that
I've
heard
today.
That
said,
who
paid
for
it?
I
know
he
said
there
was
donations
made
in
light
of
different
organizations,
but
if
there's
anyone
on
those
names
that
he
has
living
our
family
members
just
living
that
we
may
all
are
dead.
If
we
decide
to
bring
him
down,
I
think
we
should
be
aware
of
it
and
bring
it
before
him.
I
But
again,
I
think
this
conversation
is
moving
in
a
relative
way.
I
know
my
colleague,
I'm
speaking
with
him
a
lot
but
cooper
always
passionate
about
it
and
again
I
I
just
like
hearing
the
passion
and
also
we
have
to
also
remember,
and
we
have
to
accept
the
facts.
One
of
the
statements,
mr
korea,
was
saying
that
failed
to
learn
from
the
history.
They
repeat
it.
We
will
now
find
out.
I
What's
typical
and
the
nature
of
numbers,
do
we
want
to
repeat
that
by
putting
up
another
statue
and
just
if
we
decide
we're
going
to
remove
it
and
put
up
another
statue,
so
I'm
open
for
compensation?
I
think
the
knights
of
columbus,
many
of
us
had
parties
birth
parties
yeah,
but
no
one
ever
thought
that
they
represented
christopher
columbus.
I
I
Yeah,
you
know
listening
to
the
city
manager,
we
have
not.
We
don't
have
too
much
documentation
on
it,
so
we
need
to
find
out
exactly
what
direction
we
go
in
it.
Whether
it
goes
in
to
making
a
decision
is
really
at
a
public
hearing
or
just
within
ourselves.
We
need
to
leave
with
me
and
also
understanding
what
we're
doing,
how
we
deal
with.
A
H
H
H
A
Okay,
is
there
anyone
else
that
wants
to
say
anything,
I'm
gonna,
we
have
another
meeting
after
this,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
anyone
who
wants
to
have
any
last
words,
so
I
recognize
and
then
and
and
I'll
defer.
First,
I
see
your
hand
counselor.
We
don't,
but
I
want
to
you
know.
We
were
joined
here
by
mr
korea
and
I
appreciate
him
so
I'll.
Ask
you
to
and
you've
been
quiet
for
a
little
while.
J
We
just
wanted
the
nice
water
to
introduce
ourselves
again
because
I
think
we're
getting
a
lot
of
negative
publicity
and
we
didn't
want
that
to
happen
and
the
the
statues
that
were
out
here,
the
one
that
was
right
outside
this
window
until
it
was
moved
down
here
by
the
by
the
by
the
sons
of
italy.
That's
our
symbol.
We
don't
it
there's
so
much
good
that
has
been
done
by
the
knights
of
columbus.
It
was
established
as
a
catholic
organization,
and
it
continues
to
be
done
and
again
I'll
leave
this
property.
J
I
urge
everyone,
please
read
it
it's
ongoing.
It
always
has
been.
There
has
been.
We
try
to
do
help.
We
will
look
into
the
documentation
issue
and
the
other
thing
is:
if
you
want
the
risk
of
the
names
that
are
on
the
statue,
I'd
be
glad
to
email
them
to
you.
If
you
think
you
need
that,
or
else
just
go
down
and
take
a
picture
of
them,
because
I
have
them
on
my
phone.
J
J
We're
making
a
point.
We
want
to
keep
the
statue,
but
we're
also
making
a
point.
Let's
have
an
immigrant
park
because
I
think
that's
the
gist
of
what
we
need
to
do.
We
need
to
come
together,
there's
so
much
dimension
and
diversion
in
our
society
in
our
country
today.
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
have
an
olive
branch
to
bring
people
together
and
that's
all
I
respectfully
thank
you
for
letting
me
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
and.
A
G
Yeah,
it's
more
so
about
what
the
statue
represents,
and
so
that
statue
has
represents
the
disenfranchisement
of
a
lot
of
folks,
and
I
think
that
it's
important
that
when
we
have
this
conversation,
that
we
don't
exclude
anyone
so
that
we
can
kind
of
get
it
right
in
the
past,
they
got
it
wrong.
How
do
we
work
together
to
get
it
right?
I
just
want
to
echo
what
allison
said
earlier
about
about
I'm
not
for
pulverizing
and
knocking
it
down,
I'm
all,
for
we
should
not
be
glorifying
that
figure
on
our
government
property.
I
don't
think.
G
J
C
C
E
C
My
honest
opinion
is,
he
doesn't
represent.
He
represents
a
way
for
me
and
my
my
family
and
all
of
them
to
come
to
this
nation.
If
it
wasn't
for
someone
like
him
to
find
it,
that's
the
only
thing
he
represents
to
me
that
he
gave
millions
and
millions
of
people
the
opportunity
to
come
to
this
nation.
If
we
didn't
find
this,
somebody
else
would
have.
But
the
point
is
he
found
it
there.
C
Nobody's
disputing
whatever
he
did
nobody's
disputing
that,
I'm
not
saying
that
he
did
and
he
probably
did,
but
which
culture
doesn't
the
whole
point.
Is
he
brought
my
ancestors
not
only
the
italian
sisters,
all
my
family
that
were
here
all
of
us
have
something
from
him.
They
came
here,
maybe
young,
like
council
roy
said
on
this
side
there
was
no
spanish
culture,
it
was
all
english
culture,
dutch
culture.
They
were
here.
They
came
here
themselves.
They
themselves
were
no
different
than
columbus
was
they
took
and
they
looted
and
they
took
whatever
they
could
find.
E
C
E
C
C
To
you,
so
what
is
the
whole
point
that
we
want
to
eliminate,
but
can
we
eliminate
it?
Like
the
lady
says,
a
statue
is
just
a
symbol,
but
can
you
erase
and
parry
you
cannot
you
can't
erase
the
statue,
but
not
this,
what
he
did
and
isn't
it
better
to
learn
and
embrace
without
your
past.
You
could
never
find
your
future,
because
you're
always
going
to
look
back
at
your
past
to
look
at
your
future
because
the
wrong
that
you
did
in
the
past.
C
C
Look
at
a
symbol
and
say:
okay:
what
is
the
good
and
the
bad?
Whatever
we
decide
here,
it's
whatever
we
decide.
I
can't
stop
the
decision
of
other
people.
The
only
thing
I
can
speak
is
for
myself
and
I
believe
that
history
can
never
be
erased,
no
matter
how
you
try
to
do
it.
The
only
thing
we
can
do
is
fix
it
and
make
it
better
for
the
next
generation
and
if
they
don't
know
their
past,
they're,
never
gonna
know
their
future,
and
the
past
is
always
coming
back
in
the
future.
I
Council,
chocolate
brings
up
a
nice,
my
good
friend
here,
I'm
a
super.
He
brings
up
a
nice
point
and
the
point
is
he's
probably
gonna.
I'm
gonna
try
to
hit
it
from
another
angle.
If
we're
going
to
get
rid
of
it.
If
we
decide
that's
what
the
city
is
going
to
do,
I
think
also
stated
earlier
that
a
lot
of
folks
that
he
spoke
to
was
like.
Where
is
it
other
than
discovering
america?
I
I
Someone
will
come
up
and
say
what
happened
to
that
statue,
and
I
think
we
owe
it
to
our
residents
of
chelsea
to
let
them
know
that
there
was
after
discussion
after
things
that
was
brought
to
light.
These
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
felt
that
was
not
inclusive
to
what
the
city
of
chelsea
believe
that
stand
for,
but
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
want
chelsea
to
represent
and
learn
from
past
present
and
future.
I
A
A
F
This
we
actually
had
a
meeting
on
this
back
in,
I
think,
maybe
the
late
winter
before
colby
today,
and
this
was
a
presentation.
This
was
a
recommendation
from
me
to
create
another
one
of
these
voluntary
funds
that
residents
support
through
a
voluntary
contribution,
typically
at
tax
time.
It's
one
of
these
things
that
the
state
allows
you
to
include
in
the
residential
tax
bill
and
people
can
make
a
voluntary
contribution.
F
We
have
one
such
fund
of
community
scholarship
fund.
It's
raised
about
eight
thousand
dollars
so
far,
and
so,
if
you
adopted
this,
it
would
operate
the
very
same
way.
It'd
be
a
donation
in
the
tax
bill.
They
would
both
be
included
in
the
tactical
and
then
one
month.
The
third
quarter
bill
when
we
put
a
explanation
of
the
tactical
we'd
have
to
alternate
them,
but
on
three
of
the
four
quarterly
bills,
both
voluntary
the
information
on
both
funds
and
what
this
fund
does
is.
F
It
creates
a
discretionary
fund
to
help
veterans
and
the
difference
between
this
fund
and
what
the
city
typically
does
when
you
appropriate
money
is
in
the
most
of
the
money
that
you
appropriate.
It's
the
the
standards
are
governed
by
strict
statutory
requirements
for
qualification
for
veterans,
so
to
get
the
chapter
115
benefits.
There
are
certain
financial
requirements
that
must
be
met,
and
if
you
don't
meet
them,
you
don't
qualify
and
you
don't
get
financial
support
from
the
city.
F
But
with
this
discretionary
fund,
the
veteran's
agent
would
have
the
ability
he'd
have
some
money
to
help
out
those
people
on
a
discretionary
basis
and
he's
got
a
presentation
as
to
how
he
would
do
it
and
some
of
his
ideas
about
how
the
fund
would
work,
and
so
with
that
said,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
veteran
service
agent.
Francisco.
M
A
J
A
M
With
the
housing
issues
not
not
to
get
out
of
my
lane,
because
it's
not
really
my
area
of
expertise,
but
I
have
seen
over
the
last
four
or
five
years
veterans
falling
into
more
need
to
help
out
with
arrears
and
rent
and
heating
and
electric
issues
for
the
expense.
So
the
purpose
is
to
create
a
comprehensive
resource
and
support
structure
for
our
veterans
and
crisis,
to
be
able
to
complement
the
already
established
state
veterans
services
under
chapter
115
and
at
a
level
of
flexibility
in
serving
our
veterans
outside
of
state
restraints
and
requirements.
M
All
applicants
have
to
complete
standard
state
veterans
services
to
verify
their
veterans
status.
Each
tier
will
have
their
own
qualification
funds
will
be
managed
in
unison,
with
other
similar,
already
existing
programs
to
avoid
inefficiency,
which
is
one
of
the
questions
they
had
before
the
council
had
about
the
how
it
gets
managed.
We
already
have
a
pre-existing
fund
that
they
donate
voluntarily.
M
M
And
when
we
look
at
the
structure,
I
I
kind
of
it's
it's
just
an
attempt
to
to
give
it
a
structure
that
try
to
make
it,
as
layman
is
possible
without
paying
a
lot
of
technical
jargon.
But
I
divided
it
into
four
tiers
and
obviously
they
should
all
come
in.
Any
veteran
in
crisis
should
come
in
and
apply
for
state
veterans,
benefits
and
see
what
we
can
get
out
of
that
first
and
then,
as
we
filter.
Many
of
those
veterans
out
like,
for
example,.
E
M
I
got
one
of
those
and,
and
they
qualify
for
tier
one,
so
there's
no
need
to
even
access
tier
two,
three
or
four
and
the
the
tier
four,
which
is
the
60.3
funds,
that's
sort
of
an
unknown.
We
don't
know,
especially
a
lot
of
the
research,
is
showing
that
from
the
last
stimulus
payment,
a
lot
of
people
held
on
to
their
money,
they
didn't
go
out
and
all
those
memes
about
buying
this
and
buying
that
many
people
are
holding
on
to
their
money
at
the
moment.
M
M
Oh
sorry,
I
apologize.
I
had
the
presentation
over
the
speaker
all
over
the
microphone.
Excuse
me
tier
one,
which
is
the
standard
chapter
115
emergency
services,
which
helps
with
rental
and
utility
arrays.
Unfortunately,
the
state
policy
only
allows
that
as
a
one-time
thing.
So
you
can't
come
back
every
year
and
say
you've
fallen
again
behind
in
red
for
two
years
or
three
years
or
five
years.
M
So
because
of
that
there
are
some
limitations.
Emergency
medical
services
are
also
limited,
for
example,
dental
some,
a
lot
of
insurances,
don't
cover
that
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
dental
insurance,
home
repairs,
clothing.
A
lot
of
these
require
a
good
amount
of
documentation,
but
I
have
been
able
to
get
the
state
to
get
to
be
flexible
on
those
issues
and
must
qualify
by
income,
which
is
too.
M
They're
eligible
and
their
services
will
complement
ours,
so,
for
example,
if
we
only
have
250
to
give
to
four
veterans,
we
can
refer
them
to
caprican
and
and
complement
that.
So
that
way
it
would
be
a
more
comprehensive
package
and
more
of
an
impact
and
a
resource
of
health
to
the
veteran
now
food
support
services.
M
One
of
the
things
that
have
come
up
every
year
is
that
families
who
have
a
very
tight
budget
and
at
that
particular
time
of
the
year,
have
to
buy
clothing
and
gifts
for
the
children
and
the
increasing
expenses
for
food
and
other
resources.
Don't
have
necessarily
enough
money
to
get
thanksgiving
food
and
like
christmas,
food
and
the
turk
is
actually
some
of
the
least
expensive.
Of
that.
M
M
Mbta
ride
charlie
cards,
especially
for
veterans
that
are
looking
for
work,
it'd,
be
nice
if
we
did
help
them
out
by
getting
them
a
card
so
that
they
can
get
to
the
interviews
get
to
the
resource.
Centers
and
those
are
just
some
of
the
suggestions
that
I
got
must
qualify
by
income.
300
of
the
fpl
maximum
must
meet
state
definition
of
a
veteran
must
be
a
resident
of
the
city.
M
M
M
M
It's
intended
to
just
mirror
the
checks
and
balances
that
already
established
with
the
school
fund
internally.
Obviously,
externally
they're
gonna
have
to
qualify
under
various
veteran
statuses,
so
there'll
never
be
funds
for
someone
who
was
never
a
veteran
or
never
wore
a
uniform
in
support
of
our
our
great
nation.
But
it
expands
the
definition
of
of
a
veteran
in
in
support
for
for
our
community.
F
Leo,
I
could
just
do
that
there,
honestly,
there's
not
much
downside
to
this
we're
just
giving
members
of
the
community
opportunity
to
voluntarily
donate
to
this
fund.
My
sense
from
what
we've
been
collecting
from
that
community
scholarships
front
is
that
you
might
get
a
few
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
donations,
but
every
little
bit
helps
and
it
gives
residents
an
opportunity
who
want
to
support.
B
And
this
will
be
a
mechanism
of
being
able
to
go
outside
the
box
and
be
able
to
help
provide
for
those
families.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
support
our
veterans,
who
have
kind
of
put
their
lives
on
the
line
for
us.
I
think,
by
approving
this
honor
will
give
us
a
chance
to
raise
some
money
and
be
able
to
support
some
of
the
veterans
that
live
in
this
community.
A
C
F
F
F
So
I
would
expect
that
you'll
continue
each
year
to
contribute
that
25
000.
Because,
honestly,
I
don't
expect
this
to
generate
huge
amounts.
It
just
doesn't.
I
mean
the
reality
is
in
three
years
with
that
community
scholarship
fund
reflected
about
eight
thousand,
so
it's
about
you're
gonna
get
two
or
three
thousand
dollars.
F
C
Once
it
gets
approved
and
still
all
the
time,
all
right,
okay
so,
but
what
I
understand
francisco's
version
is
this-
will
help
veterans
that
don't
qualify.
They
make
too
much
money
or
whatever.
So
that
will
be
to
the
discretion
of
francisco
or
does
francisco
have
guidelines
themselves
where
they
say:
okay,
you
can
make
60
000
and
you
can
still
qualify.
Would
it
be?
F
C
Understand,
but
if
we
let's
say
for
for
some
unforeseen
reason,
you
have
a
veteran
that's
working,
then
he
makes
80
000,
but
his
expenditure
is
90
000..
So
now
here's
a
veteran
in
need
and
he
can't
qualify.
So
why
do
you
have
a
cat
if
it's
francisco's
discretion?
My
sister
should
decide
himself
if
the
veteran
warrants
making
it.
You
know
what,
if
you
have
a
guy
like
you
turn
around.
He
just
said
yes,
furniture
here
the
rent
is
high,
so
the
average
person
here
needs
to
make
more
than
40
just
to
live
here.
F
But
he's
got
to
create
some
eligibility
standards
and
just
publicize
it.
It
could
be
a
thousand
percent
of
the
federal
property.
Okay,
he
has
set
it
and
whatever
he
wants.
I
expect,
and
francisco
can
certainly
speak
he's
going
to
set
it
at
where
he
sees
the
need
as
people
come
in,
he
sees
where
the
need
is
and
he'll
know
where
to
set
that
up.
C
C
I
believe
this
is
a
good
thing.
It's
at
least
it's
giving
veterans
an
opportunity
to
get
something
like
he
says:
it's
it's
a
good
thing.
I
hope
that
the
city
funds
it
and
contributes
to
it
to
have
some
sort
of,
but
it
should
be
eligible
to
all
veterans.
That's
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
it
should
be
eligible
to
all
of
them
regardless.
C
You
know
what
I
mean
if
the
necessity
arise
and
that
that
poor
guidance
at
that
particular
time.
Oh,
you
don't
bother,
but
yet
he's
still
in
me.
It
should
be
the
other
question
of
whoever's
there
handling
to
allow
such
a
veteran
to
get
something,
even
though
he
doesn't
qualify
at
that
particular
time,
but
the
need
arises
for
it.
So
I
this
is
a
good
thing.
So
it's
a
it's
a
great
thing
and
I'm
supporting
this
as
long
as
it
meets
that
every
veteran
that's
once
and
needs
it
can
get
it.
C
C
It
there's
nothing
wrong
with
trying
to
give
veterans
who
supported
their
country,
something
in
return.
The
whole
thing
I
was
trying
to
say
is
that
there's
a
standard
400
years
there's
a
standard
and
everything
but
certain
times
standards
don't
apply
because
self-proclaimed
reason
things
happen
and
at
that
particular
time
you
don't
qualify,
but
yet
you
still
have
a
need.
C
So
what
I
want
is
the
door
to
be
open
where
at
least
francisco
can
make
a
decision
on
such
a
thing
if
it
does
arrive
and
if
something
like
this
doesn't
happen,
that's
the
only
thing
that
that
is
that
I
really
want
clarified
it.
He
has,
even
though
here
it
says,
400
a
thousand
50
000,
whatever
you
make,
but
a
certain
time.
If
something
arrives
that
that
person
is
in
desperate
need,
but
yet
he
still
doesn't
qualify
under
the
monetary
standard
and
he
needs
it.
M
M
C
A
C
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
mr
president,
I
understand
so,
in
other
words,
we're
going
to
follow
115
what
an
additional
but
an
exception
that
if
it
arrives,
you
don't
have
to
follow
the
strict
guidelines
of
that
you're
going
to
follow
your
own
standard
and
you're
going
to
set
it.
So
this
is
my
understanding
right
that
you're
not
going
to
go
strictly
by
115,
because
this
is
a
separate
fund
from
that,
so
you're
gonna
make
changes
and
more
or
less
when
it
arrives.
M
I
Thank
you,
mr
president,
I'll
be
brief.
So
if
we
pass
this,
if
we've
got
this
indeed
I'm
some
kind
of
define
of
how
residents
can
support
it.
How
do
I
mean?
Do
you
just
mail,
a
check
in
if
you
have
limit
how
much
you
can
give
or
how
do
we
define
it
for
something
we
put
in
with
a
bill
or
something?
How
do
we
get
the
news
out
to
the
residents.
A
As
previously
mentioned,
just
like,
we
do
with
the
scholarship
fund,
it'll
come
in
a
bill,
a
notification
that,
if
you
want
to
donate
extra,
you
can
do
that
and
then
you
send
the
check
in
and
that
will
that
will
be
part
of
it.
It'll
be
a
notice
on
some
of
the
bills
that
the
city
currently
does.
Just
like
the
salsa
program
that
we
have
in
place
right
now,
we
can
make
a
donation
we'll
also
set
up
a
website
on
there.
A
I
A
A
G
G
I
I
B
I
A
Anyone
can
make
a
donation
we'll
have
a
website
that
people
can
make
a
donation
to
there'll,
be
a
press
release
and
anyone
familiar
with
you
know,
I'm
sure
that
the
city
manager
has
a
conversation,
and
someone
says
then
I'd
like
to
make
a
donation
to
the
veterans.
How
can
I
help
they
can
do
that?
I
think
that
torre
can
also
work
with
the
commandant
and
say
you
know
if
there's
anyone
who
she's
in
touch
with
that
wants
to
make
a
donation
they'll
point
to
him.