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From YouTube: City Council Sub Committee of 4-28-21
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City of Chelsea, via WebEx, Acceptance on Eastern Avenue As City Owned Roadway
A
A
The
subject
matter
to
be
discussed
tonight
is
the
acceptance
of
eastern
avenue
as
a
city
owned
roadway
officials
invited
to
attend
to
the
subcommittee
meeting
is
city
manager,
tom
bamberzino
who's.
Here
we
have
also
alex
train
from
community
development
and
housing
and
assistant
city
manager,
ned
keefe.
A
A
Massdot
has
committed
to
complete
this
work
as
part
of
the
acquisition
of
the
roadway
by
the
city.
Further,
once
the
city
gains
ownership
of
this
roadway,
we
will
issue
a
permit
to
the
nwra
for
a
new
traffic
signal
at
the
intersection
of
eastern
ave
and
griffin
way,
an
improvement
that
the
mwra
will
fully
fund.
A
A
For
reasons
above
I
respectfully
ask
that
the
city
council
approved
the
discontinuance
of
eastern
avenue
as
a
state
highway.
A
draft
order
of
the
order
of
discontinuance
is
attached.
Approval
by
the
city
council
will
complete
the
promise
made
by
the
city
during
receivership
to
assume
ownership
and
maintenance
of
this
roadway
in
return
for
its
reconstruction.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
president,
honestly,
I'm
not
sure
I
can
add
much
substantively
to
what's
in
the
cover
letter.
This
is
a
commitment
that
the
city
made
and
the
state
has
been
asking
us
to
meet
its
promise.
We've
you
know.
Since
the
day
I've
arrived,
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
with
them
over
punchless
items
on
the
roadway.
D
D
We
did
negotiate
one
final
piece
with
them,
which
is
to
mill
and
pave
certain
sections
that
are
a
little
bit
and
disrepair,
and
they
will
do
that
this
construction
season.
They
will
mill
a
small
section
between
central
at
from
the
start
and
then
most
of
it
from
a
point
just
past
willowby
to
broadway
eve,
so
they're
going
beyond
their
jurisdiction.
We
actually
the
state
highway,
I
think,
ends
at
lewis
street,
but
they
will
mill
and
pave
to
broadway.
D
D
We'll
get
a
tiny
bit
of
additional
chapter
90
money
because
we'll
be
adding
a
piece
to
our
roadway,
but
you
know
we
will
be
taking
on
this
responsibility,
paving
the
roadway.
All
everything
will
belong
to
us,
and
but
this
was
a
commitment
the
city
made
to
get
that
street
reconstructed
many
years
ago.
A
A
E
A
couple
of
questions
you
want
to
ask
for
one:
I
don't
believe,
is
this
feasible
for
us
to
get
it?
What
would
be
the
cost
to
us
to
get
this
road
back
because
right
now?
Well,
it's
a
heavily
trafficked
road.
Each
year,
there's
tons
of
cars
there
and,
as
as
I've,
I've
lived
there
for
many
years
all
the
years
that
road
gets
fixed
two
three
times
a
year,
it's
always
getting
fixed.
So
if
we
get
the
state
wants
to
give
it
back
to
us
what?
D
D
We
promise
you
we're
not
going
to
turn
them
over
to
you
that
parkland
next
to
the
bridge
that
we
were
promised
to
give
you
we're
not
going
to
give
that
to
you
all
the
other
things
that
we
rely
upon
the
state
to
work
with
us
on.
You
know
the
state
can
decide
if
you're
reneging
on
your
promises
to
us,
we
will
renege
on
your
our
promises
to
you.
That
is
not
the
way
to
go
about
having
a
relationship
with
the
commonwealth,
for
whatever
reason
the
city
committed
to
take
this
roadway.
D
E
E
C
D
E
D
E
But
okay,
I'm
back
to
the
same
question
again.
You
advise
us
to
get
it
back.
Okay,
for
you,
you
there
should
be
some
benefits
to
us.
The
benefit
to
us
is
that
we
own
a
road
that
right
now
we
don't
have
to
maintain
once
we
own
it.
We
have
to
maintain
it.
We
have
to
pay,
have
to
pay
with,
have
to
do
everything
to
it.
So.
D
C
D
E
E
D
I
will
say
there
is
some
benefit
to
owning
the
road.
It
means
that
you
don't
have
to
get
state
permits
for
anything.
You
want
to
do
so.
Development
along
that
corridor
will
be
easier
for
the
city
and
its
developers.
We
won't
need
state
permitting
approval,
which
can
be
problematic
at
times,
but
didn't.
D
Yes,
but
any
development
still
requires
additional
permits
when
you're
when
you're
accessing
a
state
highway.
So
there
are
additional
permitting
hurdles
that
a
developer
on
eastern
avenue
needs
to
go
through
in
order
to
develop.
I'm
not
saying
it's
a
huge
benefit,
but
there
is
some
benefit
to
the
city
for
owning
that
roadway.
E
Well:
okay,
I'm
back!
I
don't
see
this
is
that
I
won't
ask
any
more
question.
This
is
my
ex
what
I
believe
this
is
for
one
there's
no
benefits
to
taking
this
road
because
develop
not
develop.
They
still
come
to
us
for
permits
two.
That
road
is
a
heavily
trafficked
road,
all
the
years
that
I've
been
there.
E
I
see
that
road
being
fixed
two
three
times
a
year.
Now
the
traffic
is
even
heavier
than
it
used
to
be
so
now
we're
saying
to
the
taxpayers
of
our
city,
or
even
just
to
us
ourselves,
our
counselors
ourselves,
we're
saying:
okay,
we're
going
to
have
the
pleasure
of
the
state
to
give
us
back
the
road.
D
C
E
E
216Th
is
mixed;
it
belongs
to
that's.
Okay,
that's
once,
but
this
part
is
strictly
in
the
city
of
chelsea.
There's
nothing
around
it.
It's
smack
in
the
middle
of
the
city
of
chelsea.
So
I
don't
see
it
no
more
questions.
I
don't
see
any
benefits
to
taking
this
role
back.
We
promised
what
in
1994,
whenever
we
promised,
whoever
promised
then
I
didn't
promise.
I
don't
know
if
my
fellow
council
is
promised
and
there's
no
benefit,
so
why
would
we
want
it.
F
Thank
you,
miss
brother.
I
actually
counselor
cooper
got
around
some
of
the
thoughts
that
I
was
gonna
give.
So
I
won't
share
that,
but
it
seems
to
me
one
thing
is
we
don't
have
the
actual
to
create
what
was
written
and
what
was
promised
and
what
was
expected
of
the
city
other
than
at
some
point
that
we
would
take
control
back
over
the
street
for
the
highway.
F
A
F
Okay,
so
I
got
that
so
now
in
the
event
that
we
keep
our
bargain.
We
take
the
we
take
back
over
the
pop
that
the
hospital
of
the
road
do
we
have
any
legal
right
to
make
changes
as
far
as
traveling
restrictions,
and
you
know,
height
restrictions
and
weight,
restrictions
of
tractor
trailers
and
oversized
vehicles.
D
So
the
roadway
will
be
a
city
roadway.
However,
even
city
roadways
are
restricted,
are
limited
in
the
restrictions
that
you
couldn't
put
on
them.
So,
in
order
to
do
a
heavy
trucking
restriction
on
a
road,
even
a
road
that
the
city
owns,
there
is
a
process
that
the
state
requires
you
to
go
to.
So
I
would
say
it
is
unlikely
that
you'd
be
able
to
restrict
heavy
trucking
on
this
roadway,
even
if
it
becomes
a
city
property.
F
Well,
I
I
mean,
even
if
I
just
kind
of
like
draw
way
back,
I
would
believe
that
was
part
of
the
purpose
of
making
it
uncontrollable
with
the
state
back
then,
now
that
we're
changing
it,
the
city
has
recuperate
conflict.
Recuperator
stated
we're
still
going
to
see
all
that
heavy,
if
not
even
heavier
trucking
than
now,
which
is
unfair
to
the
city,
because
there's
no
limitations
or
there's
no
option
for
us
to
say
hey.
We
want
to
prevent
some
of
this,
because
this
is
no
longer
a
a
highway.
D
You
could
any
the
city
can
petition
for
any
city
street
to
have
a
no
trucking
restriction.
There
is
a
state
mandated
process
to
go
through
once
we
own
this
street.
We
could
pursue
that.
I'm
just
giving
you
the
realistic
sense
that
it
is
unlikely
that
the
state
is
going
to
approve
a
no
heavy
trucking
restriction
on
this
roadway.
Notwithstanding
that
it
will
be
owned
by
the
city.
It's
still
the
state
that
has
final
sign
off
on
all
no
trucking
restrictions,
even
on
a
state-owned
roadway,
even
on
a
city-owned
roadway.
F
F
D
The
document
that
I
have
is
the
letter
to
the
receiver
from
the
certification
secretary
back
in
the
90s,
which
basically
confirms
we're
going
to
reconstruct
this
roadway
you're
going
to
take
it
over
and
that's
the
point,
that's
the
commitment
that
massdot
has
been
relying
upon.
For
you
know,
I
don't.
I
can't
tell
you
what
discussions
took
place
before
I
arrived.
D
I
can
just
tell
you
that,
since
I
arrived
massdot
raises
this
virtually
every
conversation
I
have
had
with
them
whether
we're
negotiating
over
the
viaduct
project
over
any
other
roadway,
they
always
at
the
end,
say,
and
by
the
way,
we're
doing
this
but
you're
taking
over
eastern
ave
when
we're
done
with
all
the
work
right.
I
was
saying
that
was
the
promise
we
made.
F
D
F
D
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
guess
you
know
the
the
immediate
expense
is
going
to
be
the
incremental
cost
of
plowing
this
roadway
next
winter.
The
you
know
the
fact
that
we
will
now
be
responsible
to
the
extent
anything
occurs.
Now
we're
going
to
get
a
pretty
new
roadway,
they
are
doing
million
paving
on
fidel
was
out
there
with
them
in
november
surveyed.
The
street
identified
the
sections
that
needed
repair
and
they
will
be
milled
and
paved
before
mass
d.o.t
signs
off
on
it.
So.
D
B
A
A
A
A
So
you
can
go
all
day
and
say:
hey
we
made
a
promise.
You
know
what
no
the
city
council
or
the
aldermen
at
the
time
did
not
go
on
board
with
this.
They
did
not
sign
anything
nothing.
It
was
a
state
receiver
who
decided
to
make
this
deal
so
no
way
in
heart
in
no
way
in
shape
or
form.
Will
I
ever
agree
that
the
city
made
a
promise
that
wasn't
the
case.
It
was
a
receiver.
A
Yes
did
he
have
all
the
powers
absolutely,
but
it
was
never
the
city
and
I
don't
think
a
mayor
or
any
city
manager
would
have
done
the
same.
Just
I
don't
see
it
happening
because,
quite
frankly,
I
don't
think
he
could
have
gotten
it
past,
any
city
council
any
alderman
at
the
time.
It
was
done
at
a
time
when
this
community
was
at
its
weakest
and
when
it
had
its
own
mole
in
place.
So
let's
not
keep
on
saying
that
we,
the
city,
made
a
promise.
A
We
didn't,
that
was
a
receiver
and
he
worked
for
the
state.
So
it
was
probably
the
state
promising
itself
that
they
would
take
over.
They
saw
an
opportunity
and
said:
hey.
We
got
someone
who's
going
to
agree
to
this,
because
chelsea
never
would
have
agreed
to
this
at
any
other
point
in
time.
So
let's
call
it
what
it
is,
but
this
has
been.
This
has
come
to
us.
I've
been
on
the
council
now
20
years.
A
This
is
the
third
time
that
this
has
come
to
us
first
time
on
the
under
guy
shane
gate
and
then
also
under
jay
astronaut
yourself
and
lots
of
different
reasons
to
why
it
didn't
get
past
the
certain
junctures
most
notably.
I
think
it
was
as
you
state
there
were
some.
There
was
a
a
list
of
items
that
the
city
wanted
to
see.
A
A
A
D
A
D
C
D
We
will
not
be
taking
over
the
lights
at
central,
and
eastern
mass
d.o.t
will
continue
to
maintain
and
repair
those
new
lights
that
they
just
installed.
In
conjunction
with
the
silver
line
about
at
the
bridge,
we
will
not
be
taking
over
those
lights.
Okay,
they
will
be
responsible
for
maintaining
and
keeping
them
upgraded,
they're
out
with
their
brand
new
lights.
H
H
B
H
A
Okay,
tom,
what
is
the
current
grading
condition
of
the
roadway
between,
I
would
say
of
the
of
this
portion
of
massdot
owned
highway.
I
mean,
let's
say,
for
example,
I
mean
they
said
that
they
did
the
work
and
it's
been
repaved
and
so
forth.
What
is
the
current
condition
and
where
are
we
on
its
lifespan?
A
D
I
Yes,
so
so
mass
d.o.t
doesn't
pave
every
year
right
I
mean
I,
I
think
councilman
ricoboro
said
that
the
the
portion
from
from
from
willoughby
around
the
up
to
up
to
the
bridge,
a
certain
portion
of
it,
is
in
really
good
condition
and
that
was
paved
in
in
2015
right
so
six
years
ago.
Essentially
the
roadway
you
know,
yes,
that
is
a
very,
very
busy
roadway,
but
but
pavement
it
can
usually
last
20
years
right.
I
So
so,
just
to
be
clear,
we
we
went
out
there
and
they
showed
us
exactly
what
was
paved
in
2015
right.
So
so
so
anything
that
that
was
not
paved
in
2015
is
going
to
be
repaved
in
the
spring
right.
So
so
that's
that's
the
majority
of
it.
So
so
the
area
around
the
car
wash
that's,
that's
in
really
bad
shape.
A
So
what
does
that
essentially
mean
I'm
trying
to
understand
that
once
when
we
take
over
the
road
we
got
about
20-year
lifespan
on
this
road
right
now?
Is
that
what
we're
saying?
Oh
you're,
that
what
yeah
yeah?
That's
what
I'm
saying
tom,
I
understand
the
your
position
that
having
this
matter
outstanding,
takes
away
from
trying
to
get
anything
else
done
with
all
the
other
outstanding
matters.
A
You
mentioned
the
parking
at
the
underneath,
the
bridge
which
I
had
experience
working
on
myself.
What
are
the
other?
What
are
the
other
matters
that
you
are
working
on
and
are
those
completed?
I
mean?
Is
there
anything
outstanding
still
on
the
table
that
we
will
say?
Look
the
city
council
is
waiting
for
everything
to
be
checked
that
they're
signed
and
then
will
take
over
the
road
versus
you
know,
pre.
You
know
accepting
it
prior
to
those
other
issues
on
the
table
being
left
open
and
then
having
no
bargaining
position.
D
So
completely
unrelated
to
this
project,
we
are
still
negotiating
with
them
for
the
licenses,
for
those
two
lots
that
we
have,
but
I'm
we're
reasonably
close
to
reaching
an
agreement
there,
at
least
on
a
short-term
license,
that
the
licenses
for
those
lots
will
then
be
folded
into
a
more
comprehensive
license
for
all
of
the
lots
under
the
tobin.
But
I
expect
that's
at
least
a
year
or
more
away.
D
D
We
would
like
to
acquire
the
mass
d.o.t
owned
parcel
on
the
northern
side
to
create
a
point
of
access
park,
waterfront
park,
and
so
that's
sort
of
on
the
table
as
a
topic
of
discussion
once
we
get
through
the
tobin
project,
but
that's
probably
two
or
three
years
away.
Realistically
we're
probably
going
to
focus
our
attention
on
the
dcam
site.
First,
I
mean
you
know
how
lengthy
these
things
go.
So
I
really
don't
think
it's
realistic
for
the
city
to
say
until
all
of
that
is
done,
we're
not
accepting
this
roadway.
D
D
D
I
mean
those
consequences
will
far
outweigh
the
additional
cost
to
the
city.
This,
isn't
you
know
this.
Is
this
isn't
a
huge
cost?
It
is
a
cost.
You
take
over
a
roadway,
you
have
to
repair,
you
have
to
plow
it
there's
a
cost
to
this
no
question
about
it,
but
it's
manageable
and
in
my
opinion
this
is
the
right
thing
for
the
city
to
do
and
not
doing
it
will
harm
us
in
the
future.
J
Taylor
and
just
kind
of
briefly,
because
I
touched
upon
it
with
the
president
of
council,
one
of
my
concerns
is,
I
see,
we're
preparing
a
light
and
griffin
way,
so
that
means
we're
going
to
have
lights.
So,
if
we're
heading
towards
the
bridge
and
then
on
the
other
side,
there'll
be
lights.
My
concern
is
the
cars
coming
out
of
griffin
way
should
only
be
allowed
to
take
a
right
and
the
reason
I
say
that
because
I
don't
think
there
was
any
kind
of
traffic
study
or
anything
done.
D
Eastern
avenue,
so
let
me
start
with
the
latter
point,
so
you
know
we
had
to
take
over
snow
removal
for
the
silver
line
we
do
that
we
contract
it
out.
Every
year
I
mean
we're
responsible.
That
was
part
of
the
promise,
for
the
silver
line
was
that
the
city
would
take
control
over
the
greenway
and
we're
responsible
for
that.
We're
responsible
for
the
silver
line
plowing,
and
so
we
do
that
with
a
contract
each
year,
we'll
probably
have
to
do
the
same
here
with
the
contract
in
terms
of
the
light
at
griffin.
D
So
again
I
understand
this
is
a
20
plus
year
effort
that
light
has
been
permitted
twice
by
the
state
to
be
installed
at
griffin.
They
have
a
warrant
they've.
It
passes
the
state's
warrant
for
accidents
for
traffic.
It's
a
light
that
the
records
suggest
the
city
has
advocated
for
long
before
I
arrived
here
to
slow
traffic
at
that
spot,
which
will
allow
not
only
the
mwra
folks
to
exit
from
that
spot,
but
would
allow
neighborhoods
cottage
and
bellingham
to
e
more
easily
access
the
roadway
when
that
light
is
red.
D
D
That
road,
let
me
suggest
this
to
you
once
this
is
our
roadway.
We
will
handle
the
request
for
a
traffic
light.
The
same
way.
We
would
look
at
it
on
any
city
roadway.
We
can
ask
for
an
independent.
We
could
have
our
own
traffic
consultants.
Take
a
look
at
it.
I
would
imagine
that
then
unlikely
to
come
to
a
contrary
conclusion
to
the
state's
own
traffic
engineers.
Who've
twice
looked
at
this,
but
we
certainly
could
do
that.
D
We
could
tell
mwra
we're
going
to
do
an
independent
look
at
this
light
and
not
issue
the
permit
until
we're
satisfied
that
it
meets
the
warrant
and
it
won't
adversely
impact
traffic
on
the
roadway.
That's
a
fair
point
and
the
city
will
have
once
we
own
the
roadway.
The
city
would
have
every
right
to
tell
the
mwra
that
the
council
is
adamant
that
we
want
an
independent
look
at
this.
G
G
G
G
G
D
I
can
imagine
that,
for
whatever
reason
there
might
have
been
an
incentive
for
the
first,
the
state
for
the
city
to
say
yes,
this
roadway
in
particularly
poor
condition.
It's
not
on
your
list
to
get
done.
We
recognize
probably
not
going
to
get
done
for
another
10
years.
Do
it
now
and
we'll
take
it
all,
but.
G
G
So
so
I
think
that
that's
a
fair
point
and
an
important
one.
My
question
is:
will
we
be
able
to
use
this
than
as
as
some
sort
of
a
bargaining
chip
to
you
know,
get
some
additional
thing?
I
know
that
you
know,
for
instance,
I'm
just
throwing
it
out,
but
I
mean
if
the
city
wanted
to
build
a
municipal
parking
lot
somewhere,
and
you
know
we
could
get
some
some
some
help
from
the
state
in
doing
this,
and
you
know.
D
D
Think
you
know
again,
I
don't
want
to
be
put
in
a
position
where
I'm
standing
up
here.
You
know
taking
the
state's
position
on
this.
I
think
the
state's
position
would
be.
You
have
been
holding
this
over
our
head
for
20
years
every
time
you
want
something
you
say,
but
you
know
in
return,
we're
going
to
get
we're
going
to
take
that
street
back
to
you,
and
I
think
they
say
it's
time
now
to
meet
the
to
keep
your
promise.
G
But
but
I
mean
if,
if
if
it
was,
it
was
basically
foisted
on
us,
I
mean,
I
think
roy's
point
is:
is:
is
a
decent
one,
that
this
was
the
state
receiver
that
made
this
promise
and
no
one
else.
So
you
know
none
of
the
citizens
of
chelsea
ever
advocated
this,
and
this
city
council
represents
those
those.
G
There
is
that
as
well,
so
you
know
my,
I
guess
my
question
then,
is
you
know
what
is
it
that
we
can
do
to
you
know?
Are
there?
Are
there
other
things
that
we
could
possibly
do
or
try
to
get
the
state
to
help
us
do
that
would
offset
some
of
these?
You
know
additional
costs
or
whatever
it
is.
I
understand
that
they
may
not
be
that
great,
but
you
know
just
to
just
to
get
it
off
their
books
if
they
wanted
wanted
us
to
take
it
over.
D
D
I'm
telling
my
recommendation
is
the
best
way
we
can
represent
them
is
to
keep
this
commitment
that
we
have
made
and
recommitted
to
time
and
again
whenever
we
make
some
deal
with
the
state.
So
even
the
viaduct
mitigation
package,
part
of
that
was,
and
at
the
end
of
all
this
you're
taking
that
street
back
correct
and
that
answer
is
correct
as
soon
as
you
finish
that
punch
list.
A
But
to
todd's
point
to
my
point
earlier,
you
know
I've.
I
started
that
whole
surplus
process
with
the
property
underneath
the
toby
bridge
in
2012
and
yet
you're
telling
me
we're
still
two
years
away
from
you
know
signing
the
official
licenses.
That's
a
10-year
process.
If
they
want
to
talk
about
delay.
A
J
I
guess
it
would
be
to
the
president.
I
you
know
if
this
goes
back
to
the
deal
that
the
receivership
made
with
them
in
regards
for
the
city
who
was
bankrupt
at
that
time
to
get
the
money
was
this:
was
this
part
of
the
deal
somehow
that
we
would
take
over
eastern
avenue,
but
we
don't
have
any
of
that
information
to
be
able
to
yeah.
A
Well,
I
would
say
that
it
had
nothing
to
do
with
money
because
think
about
it.
If
you
think
about
it,
why
would
you
want
to
burden
a
community
with
an
increase
in
maintenance
costs
if
you're
already
in
a
bad
position
again?
I
think
this
just
had
to
deal
with.
You
know
something
that
the
state
has
been
trying
to
attempt
to
get
rid
of
for
years
anyway,
because
that's
their
policy
to
you
know
this.
This
is
a
one-off,
a
bunch
of
one-offs,
because
it
does.
A
This
piece
of
road
does
not
make
any
sense
for
mass
highway
to
keep
on
its
system.
It
just
doesn't.
I
know
this
and
that's
their
guiding
principle.
It's
a
roadway
in
the
middle
of
nowhere
doesn't
connect
to
anything
else
and
so
forth.
Just
long-term
concern
is
we
know
that
this
is
a
heavily
traveled
route.