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From YouTube: City Council Sub Committee of 5-19-21
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City of Chelsea, Discuss Open Meeting Law Complaint
A
A
So
the
reason
for
this
meeting
is
to
discuss
a
complaint
that
was
received
by
the
city
council
and
referred
to
our
law
department
on
a
possible
or
open
meeting
law
complaint
that
was
filed
with
the
attorney
general
and
we
had
the
the
law
requires
us
to
respond
within
14
days.
Fatima
right
now
is
handling,
I'm
sorry
handing
out
a
copy
of
the
complaint
that
was
filed.
A
And
the
evidence,
so-called
evidence
from
that
complaint
of
what
this
was
about-
you'll
see
that
the
there
is
an
open
meeting
complaint
form
the
instructions
for
filing
it
and
what
the
instructions
are
for
a
public
body
that
receives
it.
So
if
you
read
the
second
paragraph
of
that,
the
instructions
for
a
public
party
that
receives
a
complaint,
the
chair
must
disseminate
the
complaint
to
the
members
of
the
public
body,
which
we
are
doing
right
now.
A
The
body
must
meet
to
review
the
complaint
within
14
days,
usually
22
to
22
calendar
days.
This
is
what
we're
doing
now
and
after
review,
but
within
the
14
days
the
public
body
must
respond
to
the
complaint.
In
writing.
It
must
be
sent
to
the
complainant
a
response
and
a
description
of
any
action.
The
body
public
body
has
taken
to
address
the
allegations
in
the
complaint.
A
A
A
Exhibit
d
is
the
apparently
a
copy
of
an
original
order
that
they
are
focusing
on?
This
was
the
one
regarding
an
order
that
I
had
introduced,
asking
the
city
manager
to
present
a
possible
plan
of
action
for
taking
either
by
friendly
eminent
domain
or
friendly,
taking
the
following
parcels:
the
description
of
the
parcels
and
the
map
that
accompanied
the
original
order.
A
C
Hi
everyone,
so
everyone
should
be
aware
of
the
open
meeting
law
that,
basically,
everything
that
you
do
as
a
public
body
needs
to
be
open
and
transparent
and
notif,
and
the
public
needs
to
be
reasonably
noticed.
So
what
you
don't
know
is
that
there's
several
facts
behind
this
during
the
pandemic.
The
official
city
board,
as
you
know,
we
discussed
in
one
of
the
meetings
last
summer
or
late
spring-
was
that
we
were
using
the
online
website
under
the
city
clerk's
department
to
post
all
agendas
for
the
city.
C
Normally
we
just
post
on
the
bulletin
board,
but
people
could
not
access
city
hall,
but
the
official
bully
to
board
is
our
official
notice
to
all
cities
and
we
need
to
discuss
with
the
clerk's
office
if
we're
going
to
continue
making
the
website
our
official
bulletin
board.
So
normally
what
happens?
Is
the
city
clerk
posts
all
agendas
for
every
boarding
commission's
meeting,
including
the
city
council?
C
But
I
think
when
fatima
started
or
sometime
around
the
pandemic,
the
city
council
secretary
would
get
the
agenda
date
stamped,
and
this
was
after
the
interview
with
the
city
clerk's
office,
fatima
malaya,
the
city
council
secretary.
I've
even
spoken
to
the
city,
manager's
assistant,
lourdes
alvarez
and
to
kate
lent,
who
is
our
innovation
person?
C
So
the
city
council
secretary,
would
take
the
agenda
and
get
it
time
stamped
at
the
city
clerk,
but
bring
it
back
and
post
it
herself
on
both
the
city
council
city,
clerk's
calendar,
the
city
calendar
and
also
on
the
city
council
webpage
for
ada
compliance.
That's
the
american
with
disabilities
act.
We
have
to
do
a
different
format,
sort
of
under
the
word
for
ada
compliance
for
people
to
understand
it
and
read
it.
C
So
what
happened
in
this
situation
was
that
there
was
an
original
complaint
date
recorded
as
opposed
to
what
was
alleged
that
we
untimely
noticed
what
was
happening
in
the
city
council.
We
have
to
follow
our
own
deadlines
and
notice.
The
city
council
agenda
with
all
topics:
48
hours,
48
business
hours
before
the
meeting
on
monday
night,
so
friday's
too
late.
It
has
to
be
on
thursday,
so
fatima
did
around
one
quarter.
Two
on
thursday
posted
an
agenda.
C
However,
she
found
out
she
needed
to
revise
the
agenda.
There
were
several
different
changes
in
the
agenda.
The
first
was
we
removed.
The
fair
share
agreement,
because
that's
what
counselor
garcia
wanted,
but
we
also
added
which
we
probably
should
not
have,
but
we
added
the
orders
around
the
collective
bargaining
agreements.
The
collective
bargaining
communication
was
on
there,
but
the
actual
agreements
orders
that
the
city
council
was
going
to
vote
on
was
not
on
the
final
on
the
original
agenda.
C
So
early
friday
morning,
she
revised
the
agenda
had
a
time
stamp.
The
problem
is,
is
when
she
posted
it
in
both
locations,
the
original
was
removed.
You
can't
do
that
and
the
clerk's
office
doesn't
do
that,
but
fatima
wasn't
told
that.
So
that's
the
issue
with
what
happened
with
the
agendas
and
notification.
C
C
I
believe
fatima
and
louis
have
worked
out
how
they're
going
to
do
the
ada
compliance
on
the
city
council
website,
but
at
all
times
the
original
should
be
there.
So
when
you
see
the
word
where
he
was
just
reading
about
dates
and
times
so
when
it's
revised,
it's
really
dates
and
times
as
it's
updated
same
word,
but
people
get
confused
and
so
lotus
is
working
that
out
with
I.t.
C
C
It
was
a
error
in
the
mechanics
of
posting,
a
revised
agenda
and
revised
agendas
up
for
errors.
So
the
fact
that
council
garcia
wanted
something
we
view
we
removed
was
too
late.
She
should
just
withdraw
it
the
night
of
the
council
meeting
and
not
discuss
it
that
night,
inadvertently
forgetting
to
input
the
the
orders
was
probably
too
late.
You
can't
add
orders
and
orders
are
what
you
vote
on
so,
therefore,
even
if
the
communication
was
there,
the
public
did
not
know
you
were
actually
going
to
vote
on
those
orders.
C
C
So
then
they
talk
about
notice.
So
in
both
agendas,
council
avenger
nader's
order
as
to
the
parcels
was
in
there.
So
there
was
no
change
in
that
notice.
It
was
notified
on
the
eighth
and
it
was
notified
on
the
ninth
both
times
it
was
time
stamped.
The
problem
is,
is
in
the
wording.
Counselor
avon
geneta
attached
a
map
and
parcels.
C
However,
it
didn't
list
the
parcel.
So
if
anybody
read
that
agenda,
it
could
have
been
any
parcel
in
the
city
of
chelsea,
it
didn't
say,
see
attached,
listed
parcels
to
give
someone
a
notice
that
they
should
call
up
and
find
out
what
the
parcels
are.
We
didn't
even
do
that,
so
what
we
should
do
in
the
future
is
that
if
there's
a
list,
it's
either
written
out
on
the
agenda
or
it
says,
see
attached
list
available
in
the
in
the
city
council's
office.
C
So
what
factamara
and
I
worked
out
is
that
on
all
agendas,
if
you
wish
to
see
the
orders
they
are
available
in
the
city
council's
office
and
then
the
last
allegation
happens
to
be
that
we
didn't
inform
the
public
again,
you
didn't
vote
on
it
that
night,
so
there
was
no
violation,
it
was
a
request
for
the
city
council.
I
guess,
if
you
read
the
order
for
the
city
manager
and
staff
to
look
into
whether
or
not
these
parcels
are
appropriate
for
eminent
domain,
taking
pretty
much
all
we
did.
C
C
C
First
time
we've
been
hit
up
with
a
complaint
for
an
open
meeting
law,
but
it
was
more
about
the
clerical
part
of
it
not
an
intention,
but
on
behalf
of
the
city
council,
and
we
just
need
to
be,
especially
since
we've
been
remote,
careful
about
our
agendas
and
how
we
state
the
orders
that
are
written
differently
than
what's
in
the
agenda.
We
have
to
be
specific
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
all
originals
are
kept
at
all
times.
B
A
C
So
one
if
it's
going
to
be
on
the
agenda,
which
is
posted
before
monday
night,
that's
when
the
bill
should
be
filed
right,
it's
sort
of
like
our
committee
reports.
When
you
take
something
out
of
committee-
and
you
know
you
are
gonna-
take
it
out,
it
should
be
on
the
agenda.
It
shouldn't
just
show
up
monday
night
in
our
practice,
because
people
on
sort
of
like
the
tiff
monday
night,
nobody
knew
that
was
gonna,
be
there
not
one
person.
C
So
if
you're
gonna
complain
about
it,
there's
gonna
be
a
problem
with
that,
because
if
it
was
coming
out
of
committee,
it
should
have
been
under
committee
reports
or
something
like
that.
We
don't
really
do
committee
reports
recently.
We
used
to
do
them
in
the
past.
They
used
to
be
written,
or
at
least
verbally
stated
on
the
floor,
but
they
got
a
copy
of
this.
After
the
fact,
they
requested
a
copy
of
this
after
the
fact.
So
it
was
after
your
meeting
which
had
all
of
that
information.
C
So
everything
you're
going
to
discuss
or
deliberate
upon
should
be
part
of
your
agenda,
not
meaning
word
for
word.
If
you
say,
if
you
want
a
copy
of
it
contact
the
city
council's
office,
you
can
share
it,
but
we
get
our
packets
friday,
so
they're
available
friday.
So
all
these
late
orders
late
communications.
C
The
reason
you
read
them
is
because
you
did
not
have
them
timely
enough
for
people
to
see
them
and
be
before
the
council
meeting.
So
we
really
really
should
stick
to
our
deadlines
unless
it's
an
emergency
measure
or
someone
who's
speaking,
who
wants
to
speak
or
be
read
during
a
public
hearing
information,
you
know
I
mean
that
statement.
A
C
I
think
that's
a
very
nice
thing
to
do
and
I
don't
see
any
reason
wrong
for
doing
it.
I'm
not
saying
it's
mandatory
because,
for
example,
resolutions
may
change,
they
may
be
updated,
but
you
have
it.
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
you
would
not
just
scan
it
in
because
she
scans
it
anyway
and
post
it
on
the
website.
C
D
Thank
you
cheryl.
Thank
you,
mr
president,
for
having
this
meeting
calling
it.
I
actually
had
that
question
on
the
on
my
notes
here,
for
instance,
if
we
have
a
issue
or
a
counselor
that
would
like
to
bring
something
from
out
of
subcommittee
and
vote
on
it
tonight.
Is
that
a
violation
of
the
open
meeting
law
because
it
wasn't
stated
on
the
original
agenda.
C
D
C
Because,
then,
all
of
a
sudden,
even
for
your
own
fairness,
when
you
take
things
out
of
subcommittee,
nobody
knows
what
it
is.
They
don't
know
what
it
said.
They're
always
looking
around
for
a
piece
of
paper.
If
it's
already
in
the
packet
you're
voting
on
what
you,
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
and.
C
A
D
A
D
So
just
bear
with
me
so
moving
forward.
We
have
an
item
from
the
subcommittee
on
the
agenda.
There's
no
hypothetically,
there's
no
mention
on
the
agenda.
What
if
we
have
on
the
agenda?
It
was
going
to
be
community
committee
reports
and
we
have
public
safety
and
you
know
bargain
in
agreement
in
that
night
we
act
from
the
subcommittee
of
public
safety
to
take
a
committee
report
out
and
then
vote
on
it
will
that
be
sufficient.
D
D
D
C
A
D
C
Correct:
that's
why
they
require
it
a
half
an
hour
before
closing,
so
they
get
to
it.
They
don't
just
close
and
not
do
the
job,
but
they
ask
that
the
clerical
staff
that
is
doing
the
agendas
of
all
boards
and
commissions,
do
it
so
that
they're
not
scrambling
around
and
they
do
it
correctly.
So
I
think
that's
why
there's
a
330
deadline
for
staff,
but
not
a
3
30
deadline
for
posting
of
the
agenda.
D
A
C
D
C
So
I
would
tell
you
four
o'clock
and
then
staff
would
run
down
at
five
past
four.
So
that's
why
process
wise
is.
We
say
3
30,
you're
hanging
on
to
it
too
much
counselors.
You
can't
get
to
fatima
at
quarter
of
four
and
think
she's
going
to
get
it
all
typed
in
already
and
be
able
to
let
ahead
and
run
it
down.
I
I
mean
you
got
to
be
fair
to
people
who
need
to
walk
out
the
door
at
four
o'clock
when
you
have
all
week
to
put
something
on
the
agenda.
D
Yeah,
but
we
and
again
playing
the
devil's
advocate
here.
We
know
that,
but
that's
not
our
intention,
but
the
reality
is.
We
have
up
until
four
o'clock
so
whether
she
get
there
quarter
to
four
or
ten
or
four.
We
still
have
that
we
would
hope
a
professionalism
of
our
office.
Here
we
would
meet
that
3
30
deadline,
but
we
do
have
to
four
o'clock.
C
Well,
if
it
makes
you
feel
better,
you
have
to
four
o'clock
counselor
I
mean
they
don't
turn
anybody
away.
It's
just
an
internal
process
that
under
union
contracts
we're
not
going
to
force
overtime
because
a
counselor
needed
something
on
an
agenda
and
it's
running
down
five
past
four
and
the
office
is
closed.
So
I'm
just
saying
to
you
is
that
we'd
like
to
set
deadlines,
so
everybody
follows
them,
but
you
know
the
city
clerk's
office
has
never
turned
anybody
away.
A
C
C
C
C
C
A
C
A
C
A
C
A
C
A
A
C
A
E
I'm
a
little
confused
on
a
few
things,
a
few
things
here,
one
when
things
appear
on
the
agenda.
You
know
you
mention
about
the
tip,
so
the
tiff
was
presented
a
while
ago
and
then
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
it
went
to
conference.
It
was
in
conference
and
this
board
has
a
right
to
pull,
take
it
out
of
conference
and
make
a
motion
and
move
it.
E
C
So
the
whole
thing
is
what
I'm
saying
is
that
you
voted
on
something
that
the
public
did
not
know
was
coming
up
for
a
vote.
They
all
could
have
showed
up
that
night
if
they
were
for
it,
if
they
were
against
it,
taking
it
out
of
conference
is
one
thing
putting
it
on
the
floor
to
be
voted
is
another
thing.
Oh.
E
E
A
E
E
C
C
A
collective
bargaining
thing,
but
it's
not
a
a
past
practice.
Can
you
know
I
mean
it
can't
violate
the
law,
and
I'm
just
saying
is
that
diff
is
just
something
I'm
mentioning
because
it
just
happened,
but
we
do
it
a
lot.
We
take
things
out
of
committee
and
then
we
move
to
have
something
under
suspension
and
everyone
hasn't
even
read
it
yet
and
it
just
it.
Just
gets
adopted,
sometimes
out
of
a
committee
that
violates
as
a
resident
a
member
of
the
public,
watching
it
or
being
in
attendance.
C
E
E
Well,
it
takes
me
back
into
a
situation
we
had
last
year
in
regards
to
taking
something
out
of
committee
and
vote
on
it,
because
there
was
a
deadline
that
we
need
to
get
it
passed.
Then
it
was
a
question
from
me
whether
it
was
legal
or
not,
that
my
opinion
never
should
have
happened,
but
we
were
advised
that
it
was
okay
to
vote
on
it.
C
C
C
I
said
because
of
the
way
that
you
always
do
it
there's
an
argument
here,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
the
attorney
general
would
say,
fix
that
and
that's
why
I'm
offering
and
recommending
that
if
you
know
you're
going
to
take
something
out
of
committee,
it's
hard
when
it's
a
monday
night
subcommittee.
But
if
you
know
thursday
just
put
it
the
order
that
you're
going
to
vote
on
on
the
agenda.
E
F
F
A
Would
think
that
that
should
be
part
of
the
we
do
right
now
have
a
a
movement
or
an
order
to
do
a
revive
rival,
revision,
revision
of
our
of
our
city
council
rules,
and
we
should
be
including
that
not
only
about
how
we
act
towards
each
other
and
civility,
but
also
how
these
orders
are
presented
and
so
forth.
That
should
also
be
part
of
the
our
rules
we
currently
just
have.
Typically,
the
rules
discuss
the
manner
of
operation.
C
Perfect
and
the
public
record
stuff
has
been
sent
to
fatima
and
actually
lord
s,
because
we've
given
to
all
department
heads
every
a
refresher
on
it,
I
we
did
a
powerpoint
and
senior
staff.
I
know
I've
shared
it
with
my
staff
because
we
get
the
public
records
request.
I
will
enforce
through
department
heads
that
they
share
that
with
their
staff.