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From YouTube: City Council Sub-Committee of 11-7-22
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City of Chelsea, https://www.chelseama.gov/city-council/events/132391
B
A
B
Vito
Council
De
Jesus
and
councilor
Judy
Garcia.
You
have
six
members
present
Mr
chairman,
you
have
a
quam.
The
meeting
is
for
the
form
of
subject
matter:
the
FY
2023
tax
rates
invited
to
attend
a
city
manager,
Tom
amposino,
Ted,
kostick
and
chief
assessor
Jim,
Sullivan
assistant,
assessor,
all
members
of
the
city
council.
Any
members
of
the
public.
A
Okay,
can
we
just
take
a
role
who's
here
that
we
were
invited?
I
know
I.
C
Yes,
so
thank
you,
Mr
President,
so
and
thank
you
councils
I
appreciate
the
chance
to
come
before
you
tonight
and
to
make
a
presentation
on
what
I
expect
will
be
the
tax
rates
for
the
fiscal
fiscal
year
2023..
So
those
of
you
who
have
been
here
before
the
presentation
I'm
going
to
give
tonight
is
pretty
standard.
It's
the
same
format
that
I've
done
in
past
years,
sort
of
going
through
the
way
we
set
the
tax
rate,
what
the
values
are
and
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be
on
various
classes
of
property.
C
There
is
no
vote
necessary
tonight.
There
will
be
a
public
hearing
on
this
tax
rate
on
at
the
meeting
of
Monday
November
21st,
and
at
that
meeting,
I
will
ask
you
to
take
the
two
required
votes
that
are
required
of
every
Municipal
legislative
body,
and
these
are
the
same
votes
that
a
city
council
does
in
every
Community.
There
are
two
required
votes.
The
first
is
a
vote
on,
what's
known
as
the
minimum
residential
factor,
and
that
determines
the
the
split
in
the
tax
rate.
C
We
have
historically
done
a
split
tax
rate
here
in
Chelsea
and
historically
for
the
last
generation
or
more
provided
residential
property
owners,
with
the
best
benefit
we
can,
which
is
the
shift
which
is
to
do
the
175
percent
shift.
It
means
that
commercial,
industrial
taxpayers
pay
1.75
more
than
they
otherwise
would
pay
on
a
flat
tax
rate.
We've
always
done
that
I
would
strongly
advise
you
to
do
that
again.
The
second
vote
that
some
municipalities
take
is
on
adoption
of
the
specific
percentage
of
the
residential
exemption.
C
The
maximum
residential
exemption
Allowed
by
Statute
is
35
percent.
For
the
last
few
years
that
Chelsea
has
been
at
35
and
again
I
will
be
recommending
that
you
do
that
as
well.
Both
those
votes
need
to
happen
following
the
public
hearing
on
November
21st.
Once
those
two
votes
are
completed,
then
the
city
can
submit
to
the
Department
of
Revenue.
It's
request
that
they
approve
our
tax
rate
and
I'll,
be
able
to
tell
you
tonight
what
I
expect
that
tax
rate
to
be.
C
C
First,
you
know
we
always
start
with
how
much
money
do
we
need
to
operate
this
city,
and
so
this
shows
that
for
fiscal
year
23
we
we
need
to
generate
236
million
dollars.
That's
our
total
budget.
That
includes
all
the
amounts
you
have
appropriated
for
FY
23.
It
includes
all
of
our
water
and
sewer
costs
that
have
to
be
paid
for
with
water
and
sewer
rates.
It
includes
the
overlay
Reserve,
that's
the
Special
Reserve.
C
We
have
to
set
aside
each
year
to
pay
for
people
who
come
in
and
get
a
rebate
because
their
taxes
were
deemed
to
be
too
high
because
their
values
were
off.
That
happens
every
year
and
we
give
people
some
exemptions.
We
have
to
take
care
of
that
and
charges
from
the
Commonwealth.
Those
are
the
Cherry
she
charges
that
exist.
C
C
Now.
How
do
we
raise
that?
There
are
three
major
ways
to
raise
revenue
for
a
city.
The
first
is
State
a
the
cherry
sheet,
and
this
year
the
cherry
sheet
is
118
million
dollars.
That's
how
much
we
get
in
rev
in
revenue
from
the
state.
Most
of
it
is
for
the
school
department.
There's
there's
a
there's,
some
money
for
the
city.
C
C
The
local
property
tax
number
is
also
something
we
know
relatively
early,
because
it's
just
a
calculation.
It's
based
on
proposition
two
and
a
half.
You
take
your
total
Levy
from
the
previous
year.
You
multiply
it
by
two
and
a
half
percent,
and
that's
what
you
can
raise
the
next
year,
so
that
72.1
million
dollars
is
what
we
are
allowed
to
raise
in
proposition
to
under
proposition
two
and
a
half
you
can
add
to
that
the
new
growth.
C
Usually,
we
don't
get
that
number
until
October,
because
that
takes
a
lot
of
calculation
by
our
assessors
to
figure
out
what
new
buildings
happened,
what
new
development
occurred
and
then
give
it
a
value,
and
so
typically
it
takes
until
well.
I'll
know
that
property
tax
number
in
December
for
the
next
year,
because
I
just
calculated
from
a
previous
year's
Levy.
The
new
growth,
is
something
that
always
takes
a
while.
We
usually
get
around
beginning
of
October,
so
that
takes
care
of
three.
C
C
C
If
you
can't
do
it
from
local
receipts
motor
vehicle
excise
tax
room
excise
meals,
tax
40,
you
took
tickets
building
permits
Etc,
then
you
have
to
dip
into
reserves,
but
thankfully,
in
fiscal
year
2023
we
do
not
have
to
dip
into
reserves,
because
we
estimate
that
we
will
be
able
to
raise
42
million
dollars
in
local
receipts
just
given
what
our
historical
receipts
have
been
over
the
last
few
years,
and
so
this
year,
as
you
know,
we
did
not
appropriate
any
money
from
reserves
to
balance
this
budget.
That's
not
always
been
the
case.
C
C
This
is
just
going
to
talk
again.
What
just
illustrate
what
proposition
two
and
a
half
really
is
I.
Think
by
now.
Most
of
you
know
it.
You
know
the
last
year's
Levy
was
70.3
million,
multiply
that
by
two
and
a
half,
that's
how
much
new
taxes
we
can
raise
is
1.7
million.
You
add
that
to
the
previous
Levy
and
you
get
the
total
new
Levy
number,
and
then
you
add
on
that
that
the
new,
the
new
growth
and
you
have
your
total
Levy
limit
this
year-
75.
C
3
million-
how
that
75.3
million
is
allocated
among
individual
taxpayers.
That
all
depends
on
the
values
of
their
property.
There's
no
limit
on
how
much
an
individual
tax
bill
can
go
up.
There's
no
two
and
a
half
percent
cap
on
that
the
two
and
a
half
percent
cap,
the
tuna,
the
proposition
two
and
a
half
limit
is
on
the
total
pie.
C
Individ
every
individual
taxpayer
will
be
will
share
in
that
pie
a
little
differently
depending
upon
the
adjustment
in
their
value
and
each
year
we
are
required
to
revalue
property
and
that's
what
the
assessors
do,
and
that
is
what
I
just.
D
C
Individual
properties
can
have
taxes
that
certainly
rise
more
than
2.5
and
we've
seen
that
many
times.
So
what
are
these
values
that
I
talk
about?
Well
again,
annual
valuation
updates
are
mandatory.
You
have
to
revalue
property
every
year
or
dor
won't
let
you
set
a
tax
rate
that
started
in
fiscal
year
2005.
before
that,
you
only
had
to
revalue
properties
every
three
years,
which
made
it
much
easier
for
municipal
leaders,
but
now
it's
every
year,
you've
got
to
do.
You've
got
to
certify
values
every
five
years.
C
You've
got
to
get
into
property
every
10
years,
and
so
there
are
these
schedules
that
dor
requires
to
ensure
that
valuation
stay
accurate
and
current
the
last
year
we
did
a
full
five-year
revaluation
and
got
value
certified
was
in
FY
20.
We
don't
have
to
do
that
this
year.
This
is
what
we
call
an
interim
valuation
year,
I
think
in
fy25,
we'll
have
to
be
back
at
the
full
certification.
C
So
what
is
what
our
assessors
required
to?
What
is
evaluation?
Well,
you're
supposed
to
Value
property
at
full
and
fair
cash
value,
which
is
called
fair
market
value?
What
a
willing
buyer
would
pay
to
a
willing
seller
in
an
open,
fair
market
transaction,
that's
what
the
rules
are,
and
so
usually
that's
easy
for
Residential
Properties,
where
there's
lots
of
sales,
because
basically
you
just
look
at
past
sales
and
then
you're
able
to
determine
what
values
have
on
the
open
market.
C
and
that
is
based
on
sales
in
calendar
year
21..
So
you
can
see
that
Municipal
valuations
always
Trail
the
market
by
around
18
months,
because
for
the
bill
that's
going
to
come
out
in
January
1st
2023.
It's
based
on
sales
that
happened
in
2021,
so
we
are
usually
behind
every
municipality.
This
isn't
unique
job,
so
you're
behind
the
times
by
about
18
months.
So
when
values
are
rising,
people
are
getting
a
little
break
when
values
are
dropping.
C
C
So
this
year
we
did
that
revaluation,
and
these
are
the
changes
in
values.
Everything
is
up,
but
what's
significant
is
what
you
see
at
the
bottom?
Those
Lodge
increases
this
year
for
commercial
and
Industrial
parcels
and
we've
been
closely
looking
at
those
over
the
last
few
years,
because
those
are
the
ones
where
we
felt
we
have
been
undervalued
for
a
while.
We've
been
collecting
income
statements
and
expense
statements
from
lots
of
property
owners,
and
we
feel
like
we
have
a
better
handle
on
those
properties.
C
Now,
that's
still
a
work
in
progress,
I
think
I
had
said
the
last
two
years.
This
is
probably
a
three-year
effort,
but
we
are
well
underway
here
and
you
can
see
that
this
is
where
the
values
are
rising,
the
most
in
fiscal
year
2023
compared
to
fiscal
year,
2022.
there
are
increases
in
Residential
Properties
as
well,
but
not
as
substantial,
and
that
has
an
impact
on
the
tax
rate,
because
it
means
that
these
commercial
and
Industrial
properties
are
going
to
absorb
more
of
the
tax
increase
than
residential
property
owners.
E
Tomorrow
sorry
I
didn't
realize
I
thought
you
had
already
acknowledged
me.
Sorry,
Mr
President,
when
I
just
want
to
know,
do
we
know
how
many
of.
E
C
C
E
E
Just
because
the
the
10
percent
value
change,
I
mean
I,
understand
like
single
families
and
two
families,
I'm
sure
there's
an
incentive,
some
type
of
incentive
for
them
being
unoccupied
right.
C
E
And
I'm,
assuming
that
the
majority
of
those
owner
occupied
residential
units
are
two
and
three
family.
C
It
just
seems
that's
where
the
overwhelming
majority
of
owner-occupied
properties.
C
E
D
F
C
A
C
One
of
the
places
we
specifically
focused
on
this
year
was
mixed-use
properties.
Those
are
typically
large
apartment
buildings
that
have
a
commercial
unit
on
the
bottom
last
year.
If
you
recall,
we
spent
a
lot
of
effort
on
four
plus
apartment
units,
but
we
we
didn't,
do
the
130
plus
that
were
mixed
use,
and
so
we
got
a
really
good
revaluation
on
our
watch
apartment
units
last
year,
but
the
the
ones
that
were
still
a
bit
out
of
whack,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
at
the
council.
C
C
Now,
just
as
we
had
lots
of
appeals
from
apartment
owners
because
their
their
values
went
up
significantly
last
year,
we
are
likely
to
get
lots
of
appeals
from
mixed
use.
We
will
set
aside
a
substantial
amount
in
overlay
Reserve
to
make
sure
we
can
handle
whatever
abatements
have
to
be
given
out
for
that.
E
C
The
two
things
that
we
do
to
help
the
residential
property
owners.
We
have
a
split
tax
rate.
The
maximum
shift
is
175
and
now
you'll
be
asked
to
vote
on
that
presidential
exemption.
35
is
the
max
I
will
ask
you
to
do
that
as
well.
Assuming
you
take
both
of
those
votes
for
FY
23,
then
the
exemption
will
be
worth
28.93
almost
2
900,
the
with
that
exemption.
C
C
C
Usually,
it
goes
down
because
values
go
up.
Okay,.
D
C
So
this
is
the
most
important
slide
for
you
that
you're
going
to
see
next.
This
is
what
you're
going
to
get
calls
on.
What's
my
tax
bill
likely
to
look
like,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
give
you
now
is
what
we
estimate
to
be
the
average
impact
in
these
residential
classes.
It
does
not
mean
that
this
is
going
to
be
those
on
every
individual's
bill,
but
on
average,
this
is
what
we
expect
the
impact
to
be
so
for
a
single.
C
This
is
really
good
news,
so
virtually
everyone
is
seeing
a
reduction
in
their
average
tax
bill.
The
exception
is
single
family
homeowners,
who
are
likely
to
see
an
increase
of
thirteen
dollars
for
the
whole
year,
which
is
half
a
percent,
so
you
can
see
at
the
end
the
annual
percentage
change
again.
These
average
tax
bills
for
each
of
these
classes
of
property,
single
families,
condos
two
families
and
three
families.
C
C
F
C
Because
we
don't
typically
see
this
now,
if
someone
is
still
struggling
with
their
bill,
notwithstanding
this
reasonable
in
this
reasonable
impact,
we
still
have
that
covet
homeowners
assistance
program
that
the
council
voted
a
couple
of
years
ago.
There
was
still
money
left
in
this
account.
This
is
first,
come
first
serve
as
of
about
three
weeks
ago,
when
I
prepared
these
slides,
we
still
had
267
thousand
dollars
left
out
of
that
appropriation
of
750
000.
So
we
continue
to
encourage
people
to
take
advantage
of
this.
C
The
requirements
of
the
program
that
you
set
up
are
that
you
have
to
be
an
owner
occupant.
You
have
to
have
area,
meaning
income
of
no
more
than
a
hundred
percent
of
Ami
and
a
one
film
in
a
condo
you
get
up
to
five
thousand.
This
is
a
pure
Grant.
Two
families
can
get
up
to
eight
thousand
three
to
four
families,
get
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars,
so
for
those
who
might
be
struggling,
we
encourage
you
to
contact
our
Housing
Community
Development
Office.
C
C
We
do
a
couple
of
other
exemptions.
These
are
statutory
exemptions
where
the
council
has
taken
some
local
options
to
bump
up
the
limits,
so
the
cause
17e
exemption.
There's
no
income
limits
to
this.
You
can
make
as
much
money
as
you
want.
You
do
have
to
be
70
years
or
older
for
this
one.
There
are
asset
limits
which
you
can
see
here.
This
exemption
is
has
a
base
value
of
214.40,
but
we
double
all
of
our
exemptions.
That's
another
vote.
C
And
then
the
more
valuable
information
is
this
cause
41d.
This
is
for
people
65
years
or
older,
but
this
does
have
more
stringent
limits.
It
has
income
limits
and
it
has
asset
limits,
but
there
are
certainly
many
owner
occupants
in
Chelsea
who
can
qualify
for
this
if
they're,
65
or
older
I
would
encourage
them
to
contact
the
assessor's
office.
The
value
of
this
exemption
is
a
thousand
dollars
annually.
Again
we
double
all
the
exemptions.
C
C
The
council
has
previously
taken-
and
these
all
remain
in
effect,
so
with
that
got
two
votes
to
take
in
order
to
implement
these
the
impact
that
I
just
mentioned
on
November
21st
after
the
public
hearing,
you
need
to
vote
the
shift
and
we'll
be
recommending
the
vote
to
175
percent
and
you
need
to
vote
the
residential
exemption
and
we'll
be
advocating
for
the
full
35
and
with
that
I'll.
Take
any
questions
the
assessors
are
here
and
John
Ryan
is
here.
If
you
want
to
ask
about
anything,
pertain
to
his.
D
C
I'll
have
to
have
the
assessor
answer
that
I
just
caution
of
residents
who
get
that
tax
bill.
You
only
have
30
days
to
file
for
that
to
contest
your
value.
30
days
from
the
date
you
get
that
tax
bill.
Typically,
we
mailed
them
on
January.
1
typically
means
by
the
end
of
January.
You've
got
to
file
for
that
abatement.
G
Good
evening,
thank
you
Council
for
the
question,
the
assessing
department
for
the
fiscal
year.
22
values
received
175
applications
for
abatement.
You
mentioned
a
low-income
tax
credit
housing,
while
I
can't
describe
the
you
know
the
exact
owners,
because
that's
privileged
information
I
can
say
that
over
half
of
our
abatement
applications
were
for
properties
that
were
low
income,
tax
credit,
housing.
D
G
The
the
state
court-
these
yes,
sir
yep.
D
G
So
low-income
tax
credit
housings
have
a
deed
restriction
and
the
Appellate
Tax
Board,
which
is
the
appeals
court
that
we
go
to
when
our
Board
of
assessors
does
not
agree
with
the
applicant.
You
know
the
both
parties
go
to
the
Appellate
Tax
Board,
their
guidance
through
case
precedent.
That
they've
decided
is
that
we
have
to
use
actual
contract
rent
an
actual
expenses
on
those
low-income
tax
credit
housing.
Therefore,
in
our
experience
here,
those
are
valued
I
would
say
up
to
40
percent
lower
than
what
you
would
see
market
rate
valued
at
all.
Right
thanks.
A
H
On
the
35,
what
is
the
appropriation
or
discount
35.
H
C
Mean
we
don't
I
can
turn
to
this
as
to
how
we
advertise
that
we
have
about
2
800
people
who
have
that
exemption.
How
we
advertise
that
I'll
weave
to
the
assessment.
G
So
we
have
a
little
over
5500
properties
that
would
be
eligible
when
a
new
home
is
bought
in
Chelsea.
You
know:
condo
two
family,
three
family,
single
family.
We
send
in
the
mail
to
them
an
application
for
the
residential
exemption.
By
these
efforts
we
have
about
2
700
households
that
receive
the
residential
exemption.
So
about
half.
G
We
have
to
have
an
application
on
file
we're
very
rigorous
in
sending
notices
in
the
mail
to
them
if
we
do
believe
that
they
live
there,
we
also
do
an
exercise
where
we
pull
the
voting
roles
in
which
is
public
information
and
anyone
who's
voting
here
and
owns
a
home
here
and
is
not
getting
the
residential
exemption.
We'll
follow
up
with
another
notice
in
the
mail
to
make
sure
they're
aware
of
it.
Okay,.
F
From
what
I
see
here
this
year,
you
seem
to
have
done
a
very
good
job.
Everybody
seems
to
be
equal
across
the
board.
You're,
not
killing
three
family
homeowners
anymore,
seems
like
you
only
shift
the
5.3
to
them
this
year.
Why
did
such
a
shift
so
low
to
Three
Families?
What
was
that?
What
did
you
make
up
the
difference
in
four
and
five
families.
C
C
The
values
of
property
are
so
where,
when,
if
you
take
a
look
at
page
10
of
this
sheet,
this
handout
I
gave
you'll
see
where
the
value
changes
have
occurred
and
you'll
see
that
it's
the
large
apartment
buildings
and
the
commercial
industrial
properties
that
are
taking
the
brunt
of
any
tax
increases
this
year,
because
while
everyone's
value
has
gone
up,
their
values
have
gone
up
substantially
more,
and
so
the
tax
pie
is
Shifting
away
from
some
residential
owners
towards
that
category.
This.
F
Is
good
for
you,
it's
always
been
the
three
family
homeowners
have
been
buried
now.
The
next
question
I
have
so
it's
more
beneficial
for
the
city
to
have
Industrial
than
it
is
to
do
more,
affordable
housing
because
affordable
housing
doesn't
give
you
tax
right.
If
you
build
more
affordable
housing
in
this
city
right,
would
the
burden
go
back
to
the
homeowners?
F
Oh,
if
you
had
res
here's.
Quite
the
question.
I
want
to
ask
it's
a
simple
question:
this
you
shift
it
to
the
commercial,
so
they
picked
up
the
difference
more
or
less
so,
affordable
housing
when
you
build
more
affordable
housing.
What
does
that
do?
Does
that
increase
the
tax
burden
of
the
homeowners
that
are
here
or
I
actually
want
to
know
or
all
the
people
outside
who
want
to
know
the
same
thing:
the
more
affordable
housing?
F
C
C
So
from
a
pure
economic
consideration,
it's
always
better
for
a
city
to
develop
what
commercial
and
industrial
property
than
residential
property
you're
going
to
generate
more
tax
dollars
from
residential
and
Commercial
development.
So
that's
always
preferable
from
a
pure
economic
standpoint,
because
it
means
that
your
taxes,
the
pie,
is
going
to
shift
to
commercial
industrial
and
take
the
burden
off
residential
taxpayers.
C
Economic
reason
you
would
rather
have
commercial
development,
but
there
are
often
public
policy
reasons
why
you
want
to
develop
housing,
and
there
are
public
policy
reasons
why
you
want
to
develop
affordable
housing.
If
you
develop
more
affordable
housing,
it
doesn't
mean
that
more
gets
shifted
to
the
other
residential
owners.
Any
new
development,
even
if
it's
affordable,
is
going
to
generate
new
tax.
F
Okay,
but
here's
the
question
I'm
saying
over
here:
isn't
it
more
profitable
to
the
city
to
invest
in
commercial
which
gives
the
maximum
tax
instead
of
more
affordable
housing?
What
it
does
is
it
brings
more
people
into
our
city
one.
Then
you
have
to
have
more
services,
so
it's
a
bigger
burden
and
they're
paying
less
money.
Aren't
they
if
they're
paying?
What
is
the
actual
tax
rate
that
they
pay?
Let's
say:
I
own
a
tree
family
owns
a
tree
family.
Let's
say
our
tax
rate
is
90.
F
A
C
F
F
C
F
C
F
It
doesn't
mean
it's
affordable
for
the
people
of
this
city
and
in
return,
what
happens?
Is
you
look
up
how
many
people
of
this
city
are
actually
living
in
these
affordable
units?
That's
the
thing
you
should
have
a
study
and
see
what
is
the
percentage
of
people,
so
we
build
an
affordable
housing,
not
for
the
people
of
Chelsea
for
them
to
live
here,
but
yet
we
are
taking
up
the
burden
more
or
less.
We
are
paying
higher
taxes.
F
The
people
that
live
here
not
only
the
homeowners,
the
renters,
the
renters,
are
the
one
that
are
paying
the
brunt
because
their
rents
go
up
so
tell
the
actual
what
it
is.
It's
the
renters
that
are
paying
more
of
everything,
so
the
more
buildings
you
have
that
have
this
type
of
affordability,
which
pay
less
money
than
the
rest.
The
people
that
live
here
the
actual
renters,
have
to
pay.
Okay,.
C
F
F
A
E
C
Reasonably
disagree
on
this
I
think
there
are
reasonable
arguments
on
both
sides.
I
happen
to
have
a
pretty
obvious
position
on
this,
but
I'm
not
saying
those
within
opposite
view.
Are
you
know
somehow
you
know
doing
something
wrong?
It's
a
this
is
a
public
policy
debate
that
goes
on
not
just
in
Chelsea
but
everywhere.
I
The
question
is:
do
do
we
put
that
affordable
housing
here
in
Chelsea,
or
do
we
take
a
larger
view
of
the
situation
and
try
to
build
affordable
housing
where
it's
actually
cheaper
to
build
cheaper
to
purchase
land,
making
it
more
reasonable
for
developers
to
to
develop
that
affordable
those
affordable
housing
units?
So
so
this
is
the
like.
I
You
said
that
we
have
done
above
and
beyond
some,
but
not
all,
but
it
seems
like
we've
gone
above
and
beyond
all,
but
one
and
the
only
reason
why
we're
not
the
first
is
because
that
one
is
a
very
tiny
municipality
that
that
that
that
basically
doesn't
have
very
many
units
at
all,
so
so
I
I.
I
Just
to
me,
if
we're
going
to
have
this
discussion,
I
think
that
that,
and
especially
since
we
are
Chelsea
city
council
and
and
and
if,
if
you
know,
sometimes
people
get
labeled,
Pro
or
anti
this
or
anti-that
or
Pro,
this
or
Pro
that.
But
it's
not
that's,
not
really.
The
whole
enchilada,
you
know,
I
think
there
are
other
ways
to
solve
these
problems
without
necessarily
burdening
the
the
the
the
the
taxpayers
of
this
city,
which
are.
This
is
not
a
wealthy
City
I
mean
we
are
we
we
I'm.
I
I
You
know,
people
at
the
state
level
to
try
to
figure
some
of
this
out,
instead
of
always
trying
to
take
the
more
and
more
and
more
burden
on
ourselves,
because
most
people
out
there
in
the
public
think
oh
yeah
we're
for
affordable
housing.
That's
great!
We
want
more,
we
want
more
more
more
more,
but
yet
they
don't
understand
the
economic
kind
of
repercussions
of
of
what's
going
on
when
other
communities
also
need
to
take
up
some
of
this
burden.
I
That
Chelsea
cannot
shoulder
all
this
burden
by
itself
and
the
fact
that
we
are
number
two
out
of
all
those
cities
and
towns
in
the
Commonwealth
I
mean
you
know
it
is
what
it
is.
I'm
I
I
I
believe
that
we
need
more
affordable
housing,
I
really
do
but
I
I
I'm,
just
not
convinced
that
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
room.
We
don't
have
much
room
here
at
all.
C
I
just
want
to
correct
Oneness
underlying
assumption.
Make
sure
people
understand
this
if
everything's,
if
we
build
an
affordable
housing
development,
that
does
not
mean
that
residential
taxpayers
taxes
are
going
up.
What
it
might
mean
is
that
they
may
not
be
as
positively
impacted
If.
Instead
of
building
that
affordable
unit,
we
had
built
a
market
rate
unit
which
would
have
been
valued
more
all.
C
We
had
built
a
major
commercial
development
if
everything
stayed
exactly
the
same
expenses,
didn't
change,
value,
didn't
change,
and
the
only
thing
that
changed
one
year
to
the
next
is
that
we
built
one
large,
affordable
housing
unit.
The
residential
taxes
would
go
down
because
that
building
would
take
up
a
little
bit
of
the
tax
bill.
What
is
true
is
that
you'd
be
even
better.
I
I
Doesn't
mean
your
taxes
are
going
up
because
they're
building
an
affordable
unit-
it's
relative,
though
so
I
mean
so
so.
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and,
but
you
know,
I
just
think
that
I
just
think
that
it's
always
good
to
to
have
more
of
a
balance
of
things,
because
I
mean
in
in
all
kinds
of
ways
in
life.
I
You
know
I,
think
I,
think
having
a
balanced
approach
to
things
is
and-
and-
and
you
know,
I
I
just
want
to
I
just
want
to
interject
this
into
the
discourse
that
that,
if,
if
you're,
if
you're
saying
we
have
enough
affordable
housing
in
Chelsea,
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
enough
affordable
housing
in
the
state
or
that
and
that
if
we
build
affordable
housing
here,
that
doesn't
mean
the
people
in
Chelsea
are
going
to
get
it
because
they're
coming
from
Boston
or
wherever
else
to
we
there's
no
way
to
guarantee
that
to
Chelsea
people.
So.
A
I
Is
not
going
to
solve
the
housing
crisis,
and
so
it's
impossible.
That's
why?
But
people
I
think
people
out
in
the
public
need
to
understand
this,
and
so
it's
they.
Don't
they
don't
misunderstand
that
you
know
if
somebody
says
they're,
you
know
we
need
to
build.
The
other
communities
need
to
start
shouldering
the
burden
instead
of
just
Chelsea
Chelsea's
only
1.8
square
miles,
so
we
we
have
a
dearth
of
property,
so
we
need
to.
I
We
need
to
really
consider
carefully
how
that
gets
allocated
into
into
what
tax,
because
you
know
we
do
have
a
financial
considerations
to
and.
C
I
assure
you
we
do
that
so
I'll
just
give
one
example
just
one,
but
it
it's
going
to
make
my
point.
You
know
we
do
sometimes
say
to
developers
and
owners
on
this
pass,
though
we
want
to
see
commercial,
Industrial,
Development
and
not
housing.
So
the
example
I'm
going
to
use
is
295
Eastern,
that
is
zoned
as
a
Waterfront.
District
housing
is
allowed
by
right
there.
We
were
clear
with
that
developer.
This
is
an
area
we've
always
envisioned
for
commercial
Industrial
Development.
C
We
are
not
going
to
approve
any
Housing
Development
here,
Focus
your
attention
on
commercial
industrial
and
they
did,
and
they
came
up
with
a
project
that
really
works
well
and
was
just
approved
for
a
permit
by
the
zba.
So
you
know
this
is
something
we
balance
like
no
question
economically
for
the
City
commercial
industrial
development
is
the
is
the
gold
standard
for
economic
growth,
but
we
do
balance
that
with
the
need
for
housing,
I'm.
C
A
D
A
Just
wanted
to
say
you
know
we
at
the
council,
we
have
always
been
proactive
with
our
policies
and
we've.
In
past
years,
we've
went
directly
out
of
industrial.
Listen,
let's
build
up
our
industrial
base.
Let's
get
these
companies
in
here.
We've
done
that
the
last
few
years
this
Council
has
taken
a
strong
policy
on
affordable
housing.
So
we
can
get
the
numbers.
Yes,
we
know
a
lot
of
folks
come
from
surrounding
communities.
A
Somerville
Boston,
but
we've
always
put
you
know
factors
in
to
try
to
get
sixty
percent
60
to
70
percent
Chelsea
preferable
residents.
So
it
goes
to
show
what
Chelsea
is
doing
for
Chelsea
folks
here,
not
all
the
time.
Every
100
percent
of
the
affordability
goes
to
Chelsea,
but
we
as
a
counselor
has
done
that
and
we
have
to
keep
an
eye
on
what
we're
doing
here.
We
talk
about
Public
Safety,
we're
talking
about
trash
disposals.
A
This
promotion
tonight
this
recommendation
tonight
it's
very
fair
to
the
residents
and
it
still
include
opportunity
for
affordability
and
also
commercial
buildings.
So
I
understand
that
we
do
have
other
other
ways
that
we
try
to
give
back
with
the
exemptions
and
stuff.
So
again,
I
encourage
each
one
of
you
counselors
to
have
those
questions
to
just
pull
the
city
manager
or
the
department
over
here
assessment
department
and
get
a
thorough
information
that
when
we
have
this
meeting
on
the
21st
of
November,
you
can
make
a
conscious
decision.
So.
C
E
Say
I
don't
really
want
to
get
into
Political
conversations,
but
I
just
want
to
insert
in
here
that
shame
on
the
state
for
not
investing
more
into
the
to
the
housing
Pro
problem
that
we
have
in
this
city
and
for
us
needing
to
do.
Partnerships
like
with
the
one
we
did
at
the
NS
development
and
I
just
want
to
sit.
Go
on
record
that,
while
I
understand
that
we
can't
demand
that
100
of
the
units
go
to
Chelsea
I
prefer
that
at
least
70
percent
is
Chelsea
resident.
E
F
It's
a
great
day
to
have
affordable
housing,
I'm
for
affordable
housing
all
day
long,
but
I'm
for
affordable
housing
for
the
Chelsea
people,
for
people
that
live
in
Chelsea
and
then,
if
you
build
all
those
affordable,
housing
and
people
from
Chelsea
can't
live
there.
What
is
the
point?
You're
not
building
it
for
the
people
of
our
city,
what
I
want
affordable
housing
for
the
people
of
our
city?
F
You
cannot
guarantee
that
to
us,
but
I
think
in
some
ways
this
city
can
put
forth
to
take
to
a
development
you're
going
to
develop
okay,
80
percent
of
the
people
you
put
there
should
be
Chelsea
residents.
I
know,
state
law
doesn't
allow
you,
but
there's
something
with
these
developers.
They
come
that
you
can
say
to
them.
Okay,
maybe
Chelsea
residents
have
preference,
that's
that
you
can
do
that.
None
of
them
have
preference
now.
So
if
you,
the
more
you
build
the
less
people
can
be
here.
We
have
to
go.