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City of Chelsea, Committee on Rules and Regulations Meeting, https://www.chelseama.gov/city-council/events/128596
B
C
C
B
C
Well
great
so
today
thank
you
so
much
counselor
taylor
and
councilor
vieneda
for
being
here
today.
The
purpose
of
the
meeting
is
to
discuss
and
revise
our
rules
and
regulations.
Thank
you
for
submitting
written
suggestions.
So
today
we
will
cover
rule
number,
eight
rule
number,
38,
rule
number,
40
and
rule
number
41..
So,
let's
start
with
rule
number
eight.
On
page
two,
we
have
rule
number
eight
written
as
follows.
C
Speaking
decorum
and
I'll
start
reading,
the
rule
as
it
is
now
and
the
proposed
change
presented
by
counselor
taylor
counselors
will
speak
only
on
the
question
under
debate.
No
debate
will
be
allowed
by
the
president.
Unless
there
is
a
motion
on
the
floor,
each
counselor
will
speak
only
once
on
the
question
before
the
council.
No
counselor
shall
hold
the
floor
for
more
than
five
minutes
before
any
debate.
One
counselor
may
yield
his
her
time
to
the
maker
of
the
motion.
C
If
the
five
minute
time
is
insufficient,
the
person
who
yields
their
time
will
not
be
allowed
to
speak
on
the
motion.
Counselor
todd
taylor
proposes
the
following:
no
counselor
should
use
language
that
is
profane
or
is
used
to
offend
insult
or
defame
another
counselor.
If
a
counselor
breaks
this
rule-
and
there
is
a
subsequent
objection,
the
offending
counselor
must
apologize
and
have
the
comments
taken
down
or
the
offending
counselor
will
be
prevented
from
speaking
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
as
much
as
possible.
C
Counselors
must
try
not
to
refer
to
the
other
counselors
by
name
but
as
the
counselor
from
district
or
the
counselor
at
large.
If
a
counselor
mentions
another
counselor
by
name
during
debate,
the
counselor
mentioned
shall
not
be
prevented
from
speaking
to
rebut,
regardless
of
whether
that
counselor
has
already
spoken
on
the
matter
and
may
not
be
ruled
out
of
order
by
the
president,
so
counselor
taylor.
C
C
So
I
will
go
ahead
and
read
time
limits
for
communications,
all
communications
from
the
city
manager,
communications
address
and
again
this
is
the
the
original
format.
All
communications
from
the
city
manager,
communications
addresses,
the
city,
council
and
petitions
must
be.
First
must
first
be
deposited
with
the
city
clerk
and
time
stamp.
No
such
communication
or
petition
time
must
be
first
deposited
with
the
city
clerk
and
time
stamped.
C
No
such
communication
or
petition
time
stamped
later
than
4
pm
on
the
thursday
preceding
a
regular
meeting
she'll
be
presented
to
the
city
council
at
the
meeting,
unless
unanimous
consent
of
the
council
should
have
been
first
obtained
for
the
same
so
now
the
proposal
by
council
office,
so
this
actually
is
presented
to
us
by
our
council
staff.
No
such
communication
or
petition
time
stamped
later
than
4
pm
on
the
wednesday
preceding
a
regular
meeting
shall
be
presented
to
the
city
council
at
that
meeting,
unless
unanimous
consent
of
the
council
should
have
been
first
obtained.
C
A
B
A
C
E
I
I
disagree
with
that.
You
know,
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
have
done
as
a
city
council
is
try
to
come
up
with
mechanism,
try
to
prevent
things
happening
and
things
escalating
into
such
embarrassment
as
a
council
that
we
should,
you
know,
take
actions
where
we
have
to
try
to
prevent
these
outbursts
from
council
members
direct
attacked
on
councils.
I
just
don't
see
where
this
language
gives
us
any
lead
way
in
preventing.
E
I
I
if
it
comes
up
an
insult,
come
up
or
if
some
language
comes
up
where
we're
talking
directly
to
maybe
a
counselor's
name
is
mentioned,
I
just
don't
think
we
need
to
escalate
it
by
offering
you
know
back
and
forth.
I
think,
by
having
the
chair,
whether
it's
the
chairwoman
or
the
chairperson
man,
they
would
get
an
emotion
on
the
floor
and
let
the
council
members
make
a
decision
that
you
know.
E
D
D
Is
is
conflating
the
two
issues.
One
issue
is
for
decorum
purpose
and
if
somebody
says
something
they
need
to
either
take
it
down,
take
down
the
comments
or
that,
if
they,
if
they
refuse
to,
then
there,
then
they
can't
speak
for
the
remainder
of
they
can
still
vote
on
things,
but
they
would
not
be
allowed
to
speak
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting
now.
D
You
know
I
I
think
these
are
pretty
basic
and
if
somebody's
making
an
accusation
or
a
charge
or
whatever
it
is
or
just
mentions
their
name,
they
should
be
able
to
have
that
extra
time
to
rebut
whatever
they
whatever
they
said.
Otherwise,
things
are
left
hanging
and
it's
not
fair.
So
either
we
throw
out
rules.
D
E
Yeah,
I
agree
with
that.
If
you
finish
counselor
taylor,
but
again
it
states
it
in
the
first
part
of
the
rule
number
eight,
it
says,
council
will
speak
only
on
question
under
debate.
That's
the
rule!
Anything
else
other
than
the
rule
alleviate
into
this
here
cut
these
comments.
Here,
that's
in
red
goes
outside
of
the
rules.
E
D
C
C
C
C
C
E
E
On
the
rule,
no
council
member
should
call
another
council
member
by
name
or
directly,
it's
through
the
chair,
and
we
need
to
tighten
up
on
that
by
allowing
someone
to
get
heated
in
a
debate
and
say
well,
counselor,
you
know
bluefish
and
counselor
buffalo.
My
name
was
mentioned.
I
want
to
have
a
rebuttal
of
what's.
It
opens
up
an
argument.
It's
unnecessary
and
unfair
to
the
public.
D
I
mean
I,
I
I'll
disagree
and
leave
it
at
that.
I
I
don't
think
it
opens
up
any
kind
of
heat
at
anything.
I
think
that
people
can
be
perfectly
reasonable
without
being
heated
or
it
doesn't
have
to
be
an
argument
or
devolve
into
chaos
it
as
long
as
people
adhere
to
the
rules,
and
so
from
my
perspective-
and
this
is
why
we
had
a
meeting
in
the
last
term
in
closed
session,
to
determine
that
these
rules
needed
to
be
changed.
I've
submitted
the
necessary
changes,
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
My
comments
will
stand.
E
A
D
D
D
Does
that
what
does
that
matter?
I
got
the
right
relevant
to
well.
We
all
do
respect.
I've
got
the
right
to
propose
a
change
to
the
rules,
no
matter
where
it
comes
from.
If
I'm,
if
I
wanted
to
make
up
any
rule,
I
wanted
and
submit
it.
I've
got
the
right
to
do
so.
So
look
I
mean
this
is
part
of
what
I'm
talking
about
folks
is
that
we
need
to
have
rules
that
we
all
live
by.
D
C
Okay
and-
and
I
will
clarify
to
members
of
the
public
who
are
present
here
today,
but
also
members
of
the
public
who
are
watching.
It
was
clearly
stated
in
the
previous
meeting
that
any
counselor
is
welcome
to
submit
in
writing
any
suggestion
any
edit
any
changes
they
would
like
to
see
to
to
the
rules.
So
right
in
front
of
us.
We
have
a
list
of
the
rules
I
have
been
reading
at
the
very
beginning,
the
rule
as
it
stands,
and
then
the
proposed
rule.
B
The
the
person
that
misquotes
another
counselor,
even
if
it
was
in
the
newspaper,
a
misquote
or
something
you
have
the
right
to
stand
up
under
personal
privilege
and
defend
yourself.
It's
not
in
debate
to
someone
else.
It
wouldn't
be
in
debate
to
the
newspaper.
It
wouldn't
be
in
debate
to
another
council
and
mention
your
name
improperly.
D
Right
yeah,
that's
all
I
think
he's
looking
for
and
and
the
chair
and
the
chair
does
not
have
the
power
to
rule
somebody
out
of
order.
If
they're
trying
to
call
a
point
of
pre
point
of
clarification,
a
point
of
order,
you
must
that
person
must
be
recognized
by
the
chair
and
if
they
do
not,
the
chair
is
wrong.
C
C
So
I'm,
okay
with
it,
you
can
I'm
fine
with
that
number
38.
We
move
on
to
rule
number
38.,
so
time
limits
of
communications.
Yes,
that's
where
we
were
so
the
former.
This
was
a
proposal
by
our
council
office
and
it's
it's
our
staff
asking
us
to
asking
us
that
no
such
communication
or
petition
time
stamped
later
than
4
pm
on
wednesday
preceding
a
regular
meeting
shall
be
presented
to
the
city
council
at
that
meeting,
unless
unanimous
consent
of
the
council
should
have
been
first
obtained
for
the
same.
C
B
Okay,
the
reason
being
that
we
need
a
48
hour
notice
to
post
and
if
we
get
it
in
like
at
four
o'clock
on
a
thursday,
we
wouldn't
meet
the
proper
time
I
mean
she
would
have
to
whose
other
administrative
assistant
would
have
to
start
typing
everything
out
at
five
o'clock
and
and
then
we'd
have
to
bring
it
and
get
it
posted
by
the
clerk
downstairs
and
the
clerk
downstairs
wouldn't
be
there
to
put
it
on
the
web.
In
the
proper
time.
E
B
B
B
If
you
come
in
at
five
minutes
or
four
with
an
order
and
has
to
be
typed
out
by
the
time,
say
you
have
ten
riders
or
more
counselors
come
in
five
minutes
or
four
we're
not
going
to
meet
the
court
downstairs.
Tell
them
wait,
don't
close
your
office,
they
have
to
put
it
on
the
web
and
post
it
and
it
wouldn't
meet
the
48
hour
requirements.
A
C
What's
written
in
black
is
the
way
that
it
was
the
way
that
we
were
supposed
to
follow
it
what's
written
in
red,
it's
what's
being
proposed
and
what
we
currently
practice
now.
So
all
that
fatima
and
our
clerk
are
asking
to
have
in
writing
officially
under
our
rules
the
practice
that
we've
been
doing
lately,
which
is
what
you've
already
been
accustomed
to.
So
we
submit
petitions
no
later
than
4
p.m.
On
wednesdays.
So
now
it's
just
having
having
having
it
in
writing
to
update
this
rule
to
reflect
what
we
have
been
currently
doing.
C
E
C
So
now
we
can
move
on
to
question
number
40,
which
is
public
comment
question
it's
on
the
next
page,
the
pres.
So
the
current
rule
reads
as
follows:
the
president
of
the
city
council
may
set
a
time
limit
on
the
public
comment
section
of
the
meeting,
no
person,
the
city
council.
Sorry
no
person
may
address
the
council
for
a
period
longer
than
four
minutes.
Any
person
wishing
to
address
the
city
council
must
first
state
their
name
and
address
for
the
record.
C
No
member
of
the
city
council,
including
the
chairperson,
shall
answer
or
respond
to
any
questions
posed
by
their
public
by
the
public,
except
by
written
communication.
No
sooner
than
the
next
meeting,
no
member
of
the
chelsea
city
council
should
be
allowed
to
speak
or
address
the
council
during
the
public
comments
session
proposed
by
councillor
taylor.
C
This
is
a
new
proposal.
No
person
shall
use
language
that
is
profane
insulting
or
threatens
violence.
Furthermore,
defamatory
or
slanderous
language
may
not
be
used
during
public
speaking.
If
any
counselor
objects
to
any
such
comments.
In
violation
of
this
rule,
then
the
speaker
must
retract
the
comments
or
lose
the
right
to
publicly
comment
for
that
meeting.
Likewise,
any
public
communication
must
not
use
the
aforementioned
language.
D
D
F
D
C
So
I
will
quickly
make
my
comment
on
this.
I
am
alarmed
by
this
simply
because
I
feel
that
it
really
limits
the
public
speaking
portion,
the
communication
portion
of
it
who's
doing
the
policing.
Who
is
you
know
when
someone
comes
here
to
speak,
it's
very
difficult
to
know
one,
what
they're
going
to
say
and
two
who
will
have
the
authority
to
decide
that
what
the
person
is
saying
it's
slanderous
or
is
defamatory.
C
If
a
child
comes
here
and
says
you
know,
I
have
been,
I
don't
know
molested
by
one
of
by
someone
or
presents
any
sort
of
accusation
who
am
I
or
who
are
we
giving
the
power
to
say
no
you're,
lying
or
you're?
This
is
a
defamation,
so
that's
the
part
that
is,
that
is
conflicting
to
me.
Also,
the
the
part
where
it
states.
C
If
a
counselor,
you
know
if
a
counselor
objects
to
a
public
communication,
it
may
not
be
read
at
city
council,
I
I
I
don't
you
know,
and
and
it's
so
it
gives
way
too
much
power
to
the
council
to
allow
us
to
allow
public
comment
to
be
either
in
their
favor
or
whatever
it
is.
I
think
public
speaking
should
remain
public,
the
public
speaking
portion
for
people
to
say
whatever
they
want
to
say
because
it's
their
first
amendment
right.
That's
my
perspective
on
this.
C
I
don't
believe,
there's
been
all
the
instances,
the
seven
years
that
I've
been
a
city
counselor
people
have
come
here
to
express
their
feelings,
their
emotions,
their
thoughts
and
I've
seen
it
as
as
productive.
They
hold
us
accountable
and
I
think
that's
important.
So
that's
where
I
stand
with
that.
I
do
not
want
to
limit
the
public
speaking
portion
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
I
have
never
felt
threatened
here
in
a
sense
of
my
life
being
at
risk
by
any
constituent
by
any
means.
C
I
understand
you
know
your
your
input
for
question
number,
eight
and
and
our
decorum
and
our
responsibility
as
colleagues,
but
in
terms
of
the
public.
I
think
they
have
the
right
to
to
express
themselves
as
as
they
see
fit,
but
before
I
let
you
go
back,
is
there
any
other
counselor
here
who
wishes
to
speak
counselor
brown?
Thank.
E
F
But
I,
when
I
read
the
first
sentence
and
I
again
understand
where
you
say
well:
where
is
the
line
of
defamatory
or
whatever?
What's
the
line?
If,
if
it
was
me
to
write
the
first
sentence,
I
would
say,
no
person
shall
use
language
that
is
profane
racist
or
threatens
violence
and
then
and
may
not
be.
You
know
in
that
language
cannot
be
used
in
you
know
as
part
of
public
speaking,
because
I
think
that
that's
where
we
stop
it
beyond
that.
I
think
that's
where
it
gets
a
little
muddy.
A
A
F
F
D
D
D
D
D
I
don't
care
about.
You
know
prattling,
on
about
about
free
speech
rights.
There
are
slander
laws,
there
are
libel
laws.
This
is
where
the
government
has
restricted
speech,
and
rightly
so,
rightly
so
so
for
this
body
to
bring
up
free
speech
issues.
This
is
the
this
is
the
farthest
thing
from
from
restricting
free
speech.
This
is
this
is
restricting
inflammatory
speech.
D
D
D
D
C
F
F
F
Aside
from
that,
so
I'm
not
the
same.
We
shouldn't
have
it
in
books
and
so
forth,
but
I'm
just
thinking
the
number
of
times
we
actually
had
to
use
it
versus
actually
going
and
putting
something
in
the
books.
But
some
guidelines
is
great
again.
I
think
that,
hopefully
you
will
go
and
take
my
amendment
for
what
it
is
and
I
can.
A
F
F
C
D
A
A
D
Happens
once
in
20
meetings
or
or
if
it
happens,
every
meeting
these
are
rules
that
are
reasonable
and
and
rules
that
we
should
conduct
ourselves
by
if
you're,
if
you're,
if
you're,
if
you're
saying
well,
we
shouldn't
include
slanderous
and
and
defamatory
language,
because
it
really
doesn't
happen.
I
can
only
think
of
a
couple
times.
C
A
comment
being
defamatory
or
slanderous
is
something
that's
handled
and
decided
by
a
court
correct,
not
by
public
opinion.
So
that's
why,
when,
when
I
make
the
comment
and
the
reason
why
I'm
alarmed
by
it
and
not
alarmed
in
a
horrible
way,
but
it's
very,
I
don't
want
to
be
the
person
who
makes
that
judgment,
because
I
know
that
that
judgment
can
only
be
made
by
a
court,
but
I
agree
with
you:
I
100
agree.
No
person
should
use
language
that
is
profane
racist
or
threatens
or
incites
any
violence.
C
I
agree
with
that
and
now
that
you
explain
the
last
sentence,
if
any,
if
any
counselor
objects
to
a
public
communication,
it
may
not
be
right
at
city
council.
I
agree
with
what
you've
just
explained.
My
only
suggestion
and
edit
would
be,
if
you
just
clarify
that
you
know
if
any
counselor
objects
to
a
public
communication
that
includes
profanity
and
insults
threatening
language,
it
may
not
be
read
by
city
council.
That's
the
only
thing
I
would
add
to
it,
but
other
than
that,
I'm
okay
with
that,
are
you
councilor
brown?
Are
you
okay,.
A
B
B
A
F
C
C
B
The
reason
why
we
requested
that
is,
there's
been
disputes
now
from
certain
councillors,
I'm
not
going
to
say
names,
it's
not
what
that
that
we
didn't
type
it
out
right.
I
didn't
say
that
you
know
things
of
that
nature,
so
the
office
feels.
Why
should
we
be
accused
of
something
we're
not
we're
only
taking
what
you
give
us.
So
if
you
give
it
to
us
in
writing,
that's
the
way
it
goes
in.
A
C
F
C
F
F
F
F
Just
the
member
of
the
affirmative
side
and
typically
the
whole
purpose
of
reconsideration,
was
that
in
the
time
that
they
voted
within
the
24
hours,
new
information
came
out
and
said:
oh,
if
I
had
known
that,
if
new
facts
have
come
out
to
light,
I
wouldn't
have
voted
for
something,
and
that
would
change
my
vote.
So
I
would
plan
on
putting
something
that
would
only
a
allow
someone
on
the
affirmative
side
to
file
reconsideration
and
obligate
that
person
to
change
and
vote
negative.
E
C
B
A
B
Quickly
say
the
vote
went
3-7.
It
was
defeated
if,
if
you're
on
the
prevailing
side,
you
can
move
for
reconsideration.
So
if
it
was
three
to
seven,
it
was
defeated
and
you're
on
the
prevailing
side.
You're
in
the
negative.
You
could
call
for
reconsideration,
not
the
person
on
the
affirmative
side.
Okay,.
A
D
That
I
actually
believe
that
it
would
behoove
the
city
or
or
when
we
when
we
try
to
submit
a
budget
to
purchase
a
robert's
rules
book
for
every
counselor
so
that
they
can
learn
and
know
robert's
rules,
so
so
that
when
these
questions
that
are
already
covered
under
robert's
rules
come
up,
we
can
actually
adhere
to
the
rules
instead
of
just
trying
to
to
wing
it
and
do
whatever
we
want,
because
that's
not
really
playing
by
the
rules.
That's
that's!
D
You
know
that
that's
the
thing
that
makes
for
chaos
and
heated
heated
things
when
the
rules
aren't
adhered
to,
so
I
I
would
just
make
that
comment
that
that
that's
a
pretty
small
investment
that
could
have
a
a
big
benefit
if,
if,
if
next
go
around
every
counselor
or
every
new
county,
as
long
as
you're
counselling,
you
have
an
addition.
You
don't
need
a
new
one
every
year,
but
if
a
new
counselor
comes
that
should
be
in
their
packet
robert's
rules
of
order.