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B
Welcome
everyone,
paul
casino
council
clerk.
Will
you
call
a
meeting
for
us
please
we'll.
C
C
B
Okay,
so
thank
you
all
for
being
here
tonight.
Obviously
it's
a
public
safety
meeting
tonight
we
have
it's
been
called
because
there's
been
some
increase
in
shootings
and
some
activities
here
on
myself
and
counselor
recuperal
and
counselor
naomi
on
the
subcommittee.
We
wanted
to
get
together
and
address
some
of
the
concerns
not
only
of
the
the
subcommittee
members,
but
also
of
other
council
members
that
had
some
interest
in
being
here
tonight
to
address
these
issues.
B
C
B
Members
of
the
committee
and
also
our
city
manager,
so
that
all
that
you
want
the
chief
to
ask
or
you're
gonna
get
into
a
debating
conversation.
So
if
you
have
something
you
want
him
to
address,
if
you.
D
Why
is
the
trend
of
so
many
shooters
in
our
city?
That's
all
of
us
is
the
concern
of
all
of
us.
Why
is
it
such
a
trend,
and
I
think
I
don't
know
the
reason,
maybe
for
some
offices-
it's
happening
in
our
city,
so
the
whole
thing
is:
why
is
there
so
many
and
why
this
that's
the
concern
of
the
citizens,
because
a.
E
Sure
I
mean
I
mean
honestly
and
thank
you
very
much,
and
it's
definitely
the
concern
of
the
police
department
as
well,
and
just
to
give
you
just
kind
of,
I
guess
a
brief
outline
that
there's
been
a
significant
spike
in
shootings.
No
question
there's
been
14,
separate
shootings,
some
of
which
I
think
I
have
here.
We
have
nine
victims
that
were
received
injuries
as
a
result
of
these
shots
fired
over
the
course
of
about
six
to
seven
weeks
in
terms
of
kind
of
going
back.
E
In
time
of
I
mean
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
during
the
course
of
this
pandemic.
The
pandemic
has
been
seven
months
and
over
the
course
of
the
first
five
months,
crime
was
down
considerably
in
all
areas.
Certainly
there
were
no
shootings,
there
was
narco
would
thank
god.
I
mean
no,
no
homicides,
no
homicides
in
the
last
three
years,
but
come
the
middle
of
august.
E
E
I
try
to
do
my
best
to
not
only
keep
certainly
the
city
manager
informed,
but
to
keep
the
group
informed,
so
you
should
have
text
messages
on
all
the
shootings
that
have
occurred
in
terms
of
your
question.
You
know
why
I
mean
I
really
wish
I
had
the
reason
or
the
reasons
why
I
have
some
theories,
and
some
of
it
has
to
do
with
almost
like
a
a
pressure
cooker
theory
where
again
for
five
months
and
then
months
prior
it's
been,
it
has
been
exceedingly
quiet.
E
Of
blew
off-
and
you
know,
the
first
question
is-
is
something
like
this?
Is
this
specific
to
chelsea?
Are
things
quiet
and
everything,
quiet
in
east,
boston
and
boston
and
in
revere
and
cambridge
and
somerville-
and
the
answer
is
no?
The
answer
is
no.
I
could-
and
I
don't
I
guess
perhaps,
unless
you
want
me
to-
I-
don't
necessarily
have
to
go
through
all
of
them,
but
kind
of
most
recently.
I
just
have
a
text.
E
I
was
on
the
parking
lot
that
just
came
in
from
the
state
police,
and
this
is
from
the
the
most
recent
shooting,
which
was
october
1st,
that
was
on
route
1
at
the
cottage
street,
off-ramp
that
it
was
an
incident
that
took
place
up
at
the
square
one
mall.
Initially
there
were,
you
know,
some
people
were
speculating
that
this
was
road
rage.
It
was
not
road
rage,
it
was
an
incident
where
the
individuals
knew
each
other.
There
were
some
words
that
were
exchanged.
E
State
police
has
some
good
video
from
up
at
the
mall
of
some
interactions
that
took
place.
The
the
victim
in
in
this
case
was
grazed
with
the
bullet
male
party.
He
was
with
his
his
girlfriend
in
their
their
infant
child.
That
was
in
the
back
seat.
It
could
have
been
a
huge
tragedy.
No
doubt
evidently,
the
the
couple
left,
the
the
mall.
E
After
some
words
with
these
other
individuals
drove
home,
they
lived
in
saugus
and
when
they
drove
to
their
house,
they
basically
pulled
up
and
the
motor
vehicle
that
was
involved
with
three
individuals
in
the
motor
vehicle
were
waiting
in
front
of
their
house.
So
again
the
parties
knew
each
other,
they
decided,
and
you
know
to
not
go
home.
Obviously
they
were
smart
enough
to
just
like,
say
we're
gonna
get
out
of
here,
but
some
of
the
individuals-
or
at
least
one
of
them,
saw
them
drive
off.
E
They
pursued
them
down
one
and
they
got
to
the
point
where
they
were
at
the
top
of
the
car
street
off-ramp
and
the
the
victim
drove
off
the
ramp,
and
there
was
a
number
of
rounds
that
were
fired
into
the
vehicle
one
right
by
the
windshield,
the
driver's
window
that
just
missed
his
head,
one
in
the
back
seat.
E
It
just
missed
the
baby
and
then
some
other
rounds
in
the
vehicle
and
the
vehicle
drove
down
to
the
bottom
of
the
ramp,
where
there
was
a
construction
being
performed,
and
it
was
an
officer,
lieutenant
dunn
was
doing
a
detail
and
they
just
kind
of
waved
them
over.
Really
quick
police
were
all
involved
and
the
area
was
certainly
swarmed
with
units
and
so
forth.
At
this
point,
the
state
police
believed
that
the
vehicle
was
involved
that
I
put
out
to
you.
E
Guys
was
a
rental
vehicle,
but
they
do
have
two
of
the
three
individuals
identified.
They
have
a
grand
jury,
that's
been
convened.
They
have
really
good
information
that
two
of
the
individuals
of
the
three
are
also
involved
in
a
shooting
in
somerville
that
occurred
recently
and
again,
I'm
not
trying
to
pass
the
buck,
I'm
just
being
honest
in
terms
of
the
the
environment.
That's
taking
place
on
the
climate
that
we're
in
that
the
the
alerts
that
I
get
for
short
spotter
notifications
that
occur
in
chelsea.
E
I
also
get
the
alerts
for
everett
revere,
some
of
old
cambridge
in
boston
and
it's
you
know.
Some
of
these
alerts
are
really
pretty
much
coming
in
on
a
nightly
basis.
The
vast
majority
of
the
shootings
that
we
have
had
have
been
between
10
30
at
night
to
3
30.
In
the
morning
there
was
one
that
was
down
on
broadway
at
clinton
street,
which
was
about
six
o'clock
at
night,
and
that
was
thankfully
nobody
was
hurt,
but
there
was
a
number,
a
significant
number
of
rounds
that
will
fight
24
25
rounds.
E
It's
amazing
that
nobody
got
hurt.
I
know
that
there
was
a
round
that
went
through
the
one
of
the
addresses
down
there
and
almost
struck
somebody
who
lives
there,
young
child,
I
believe
the
individual
one
individual
that
was
arrested.
He
actually
lives
on
clinton
street.
It
was
weapons
that
were
involved
in
that
he
had
a
weapon
in
the
assailants.
If
you
will,
they
also
had
a
weapon,
they
were
firing
shots
at
each
other.
E
There's
been
three
arrests
made
to
date,
there's
been
five
firearms
that
have
been
seized,
there's
a
warrant
that
was
issued
on
friday
for
the
shooting
that
took
place
the
same
day
october.
1St
is
the
car
street
off-ramp,
which
took
place
earlier
in
the
night,
I'm
sorry
late
at
night,
early
in
the
morning
on
sharmin
street,
for
an
individual
that
was
involved
up
there
in
terms
of
14
shootings.
You
know
the
question
could
come
to
mind.
Are
they
all
related
are
any
related?
Is
there
some
common
denominator?
E
There
are
at
least
two
one,
two
two
separate
incidents
that
are
that
are
related
meaning.
There
was
two
shootings
in
the
area
of
spruce
street
and
bloomingdale
street,
where
the
shootings
are
definitely
related,
and
then
there
were
shootings
on
46
and
I
believe,
44
charming
street.
We
have
the
same
victim,
meaning
one
victim
he
was
shot
in.
The
in
the
leg
in
his
motor
vehicle
was
shot
up
another
time
a
couple
weeks
earlier.
E
This,
as
you
can
imagine,
is
some
things.
I
guess
I
can't
say
allowed
right
to
second,
but
there's
always
more
to
a
story
in
terms
of
not
always
there's
sometimes
more
to
a
story
story
in
terms
of
victims.
That
sometimes
is
some
of
the
victims
have
more
involvement
than
meets
the
eye
at
least
initially
with.
Well.
I
can
say
this
allowed
with
the
most
recent
shooting
on
the
cottage
street
offramp
and
again
I
just
have
this
because
I
have
it
here
for
the
state
police.
E
This
stating
that
the
victim
in
this
case
is
totally
uncooperative,
doesn't
want
to
give
any
information
to
the
police
other
than
what
was
given
that
night.
His
girlfriend
was
on
the
news
that
night
giving
some
information
to
the
one
of
the
reporters
on
scene,
which
was
kind
of
50
of
what
occurred.
The
other
50
was
more
or
less
left
out
so
that
that
is
kind
of
more
or
less
a
common
denominator
is,
is
you
know
I
oftentimes?
The
victims
will
in
well
oftentimes.
The
victims
will
not
want
to
provide
all
the
information.
E
Some
victims
will
provide
no
information,
some
of
it-
I
guess
some
of
it.
I
guess
I
understand
at
times
with
his
concern
for
retaliation
or
concern
for
retaliation
against
family
members,
so
I
guess
you
know.
Certainly
I
can.
E
These
incidents,
the
short
spotted
technology,
is
incredibly
helpful
for
us
in
that
there
are
times
when
some
residents,
for
a
variety
of
reasons
will
not
will
not
call
the
police
so
that
the
shots
water
technology
is
fairly
efficient,
will
notify
us
to
get
on
the
scene
fairly
quickly,
and
you
know
I'm
hoping
that
this
well
we're
always
going
to
hope
and
hoping
there's
a
lid
on
some
of
this
activity
with
some
of
the
the
arrests
that
have
been
made,
but
there's
also
there's
some
individuals
that
that
are
out
there.
E
Some
live
in
the
city,
some,
don't
that
really
truly
have
no
respect
for
the
law.
They
have
no
respect
for
their
their
residents,
some
of
them
haven't.
I
mean
in
one
case
no
respect
for
a
family,
a
blood
family
member
where
they're
they're
related,
you
know
very
closely
related,
and
they
just
you
know
they
just
have
no
regard
for
each.
B
Other,
so
that's
yeah,
so
thank
you
and
we're
gonna
get
back
with
you.
Can
you
just
give
us?
I
mean
that
that
was
a
synopsis
of
what
counselor
did
actually,
but
I
know
some
of
the
counselors
we're
trying
to
get
a
lot
of
this
detail
out
before
we
open
up
the
speaking
direct
proportion.
A
B
Tell
us
where
these
shootings
are
taking
place.
I
know
you
said
once
taken
on
the
kardashian
off-ramp
one's
over
by
clinton
and
broadway.
You
said
there
was
two
over
by
spruce
feed
and
bloomingdale.
There
was
one
on
shaman,
but
for
some
reason,
counselor
believed
that
there's
shootings
that
occur
in
our
city
that
it's
not
being
mentioned,
and
I
know
you
said
over
the
last
six
to
seven
weeks
that
it
started
to
start
getting
a
little.
B
As
you
said,
pressure
off
the
cooker
started
spurring
up
a
bit
and
I
believe
you
said
there
was
nine
victims
and
there
was
probably
14
shootings.
So
just
so,
we
can
get
an
understanding
of
where,
in
the
city
these
shootings
are
taking
places.
Because,
folks,
are
you
give
us
the
report,
and
we
appreciate
that
this
spot
this
spot.
What
do
you
call
it?
The
spot
thing
to
go
up
the
spot
alert
or
what
the
motor
is
called
yeah?
B
I
I
read
it,
but
it's
no
we've
had
it
for
12
years,
yeah
short
spot
shot
spot.
That's
what
I
wanted
to
get
the
perfect
yeah.
I
know
it's
on
spada,
so
I
know
they
go
off
and
we
just
want
to
know
if
you
can
just
tell
us
where
these
shootings
are
occurring.
E
B
No
some
some
some
folks
that
again
leading
up
to
this
meeting
and
ask
them
to
attend,
saying
that
there's
shootings
that
do
not
get
mentioned,
and
I
said
well,
the
chief
gives
the
elected
officials
a
lot
of.
A
B
And
maybe,
if
you
know
we
hear
tonight
where
these
shootings
are
taking
place
and
again
all
these
play
all
these
shootings
you
spoke
of
today
for
one
I'm,
a
city
councilor
didn't
they
have
already
heard
about
all
of
them,
but
we
know
there's
a
few
more
that's
taking
place
and
we
just
want
to
be.
We
just
want
the
public
to
be
aware
that,
what's
going
on.
E
B
E
Will
you
said
a
couple
of
things
that
I'm
going
to
direct
okay,
I'm
going
to
answer
directly.
You
mentioned
that
you
were
insinuating,
that
there
are
shootings
that
are
not
being
reported.
That
is
false.
Okay,
100,
false
okay-
and
you
know
this
because
you
and
I
talk
all
the
time
and
every
shooting
that
takes
place
or
every
serious
incident
I
should
say,
including
shootings
that
takes
place
is
giving
out
to
the
city,
council
and
the
city
manager.
E
I
don't
know
if
every
city
does
that,
but
we
do
that
in
chelsea
for
a
number
of
years.
I
don't
know
if
you're
insinuating
that
there's
some
reason
why
I
guess
I'm
the
chief
of
the
department
that
I
would
be
covering
up
a
shooting.
That
would
never
happen.
No.
B
F
G
E
Record
there's
some
things.
Obviously
we
have
to
withhold
meaning
not
the
shooting
itself,
but
some
of
the
specifics
of
the
of
the
investigation.
What
I
started
to
do
lately
with
with
seth
daniel,
is
give
him
a
version
kind
of
a
different
version
of
the
of
the
message
that
I
give
to
you.
So
he
gets
the
information
in
a
timely
manner
and
then
he
he
follows
up
with
either
me
or
or
captain
houghton,
as
well,
just
so
to
to
address
that
point.
E
But
your
question
about
where
they,
where
they're
happening
the
first
one
occurred
on
franklin,
avenue,
32,
franklin,
ave
and
then
there
was
a
cluster
somewhat
of
a
cluster
around
the
area
of
272
street
300,
spruce
street
and
then
bloomingdale.
E
We
have
a
suspect
that
is,
we
believe,
to
be
involved
in
in
some
of
those
we
have
a
warrant
for
that
individual's
arrest.
I
don't
want
to
give
the
name
out
at
this
point.
No
we're
still
looking
for
the
person
we
had
a
shooting
down
on
essex
street,
the
high
numbers
of
vessel
street.
We
had
two
victims
down
there,
spruce
street
again
295
screw
street
essex
street
again,
but
this
was
the
84.
E
It
was
is
up
a
bit
from
the
previous
one,
actually
standby.
When
I
mentioned
84
essex,
the
the
kick
call
came
in
is
84
essex
on
the
shot
spotter.
That
was
the
one
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
It
was
actually
one
of
those
44
sean.
It
was
in
the
driveway
of
44,
charming
where
a
motor
vehicle
was
shot
up
with
10
rounds.
Broadway
and
clinton
I
had
mentioned
33
clock
out
was
another
one.
182
spencer
avenue
was
another
one,
and
burma
road
was
one
that
was
late
at
night.
E
That
was,
I
gave
you
some
of
the
information
of
an
individual
that
was
by
himself
in
the
housing
development,
and
he
saw
an
image
in
the
kind
of
in
the
darkness.
With
the
hood
on
he
heard
some
he
saw
some
muzzle
flashes,
hurt
some
pops
and
then
he
had
a.
He
had
a
wound
to
his
leg.
So
there
wasn't
much
information
there,
but
we're
still
following
up
in
the
housing
authority
has
been
very
helpful
with
the
surveillance
cameras
and
and
by
the
way
I
mean
for
the
residents
at
home.
E
I
mean-
and
I
mentioned
this-
I
think
in
one
of
the
chelsea
record
articles
the
witnesses
that
do
that
are
in
the
area
and
again,
usually
10
30
at
night
to
3
30
in
the
morning.
There's
not
a
lot
of
witnesses
other
than
the
victims,
but
the
one
that
happened
on
clinton
street.
There
were
witnesses.
There
was
a
lot
of
people
around
the
area
and
they
were
they
were
exceptional
in
terms
of
them
coming
forward
with
information
incredibly
helpful,
as
was
the
mbta
busters
in
the
area
and
so
forth.
B
Okay,
so
I
appreciate
that
and
again
you
know
we
as
city
council,
and
I
think
I
speak
to
some
of
the
city
councils
here
we
get
bombarded
and
we
say
this
is
not
true.
This
is
not
true
and
we
just
that's
why
we
have
these
meetings.
We
have
this
discussion,
so
you
can.
Let
us
know
these
are
the
participants.
B
F
B
Folks,
just
don't
come
to
come
forward
and
even
if
they
get
shot,
they
won't
come
forward
and
say
hey.
This
is
not
the
way
I
handle
it.
So
I
by
no
means
at
all,
I'm
insinuating
anything.
What
I'm!
What
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
we
as
city
councils
and
I
other
city
council
members
who
speak
in
a
moment
that
we
get
stocked
up
and
say
what
that
h-e-l-l
is
going
on
in
the
city
like
it's
a
shoot-up,
gunsmoke
western
and
it's
not,
and
so
for
me
to
defend
that
continuously.
B
I
need
to
know
that
you
know
we
had
a
meeting.
I
invited
some
of
those
folks
that
actually
stopped
stopped
me
and
cornered
me
and
they're
not
here
tonight.
So
that's
an
evidence
that
you
know
maybe
they're
listening
on
the
broadcast,
or
maybe
they
just
don't
feel
comfortable,
but
I
told
them.
I
would
address
the
question
that
they
wanted
to
try
to
get
addressed
well.
E
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud
that
maybe
what
I
could
do
is
the
the
information
that
I
give
to
the
city
councils.
Again,
it's
it's
more
information
than
I
would
release
the
public.
I
could
tweak
that
information
and
generalize
it
and
then
basically
put
right
in
the
message
that,
if
you
want
to
further-
because
usually
I
say
this
confidential.
E
Know
but
use
I
could
perhaps
tweak
it
a
bit
and
and
say
this
is
you're
free
to
disseminate
as
you
deem
fit,
and
then,
if
you
have
your
own
groups,
your
own,
you
know
people
on
your
phone
that
you
want
to
forward
text
to
it
all
hours
or
if
you
want
to
do
it,
I
I
could
be
fine
with
that.
I
mean
I
would
be
fine
with
that
yeah
if
that's
something
you're
interested
in.
B
I
I
honestly
myself,
I
don't
need
to
go
in
that
direction.
I
just
need
to
because
I
I'm
out
there
I
deal
with
folks,
and
I
tell
them
this
is
what's
going
on
in
our
city
and
I'm
100
a
defender
of
what
we're
doing
if
something's
wrong
I'll
stand
up
on
that
too.
But
I
try
to
defend,
and
I
also
believe
that
it's
important
for
us
to
get
together
and
have
conversations
and
let
others
know
also
you
got
another
question.
D
F
D
E
E
We
know
that,
in
terms
of
like
your
area
or
really
any
area,
you
know
people
are
using
drugs,
they
have
to
be
buying
drugs,
someplace,
and
I
think
the
information
that
I'm
able
to
receive
from
from
counselors
from
residents
that
I
pass
on
to
the
professionals
in
our
department
to
conduct
surveillances
conduct
investigations
and
follow
up
with
search
warrants,
which
will
be
helpful.
I
know
been.
E
But
in
terms
of
the
the
quote-unquote
address
of
the
day
I
mean
you're
right
I
mean
they.
You
know
some
of
these
individuals
move
around.
Some
of
these
individuals
will
have
a
reason
to
get
arrested,
get
there's
a
search
warrant
in
the
house.
There's
there's
drugs
seized
money
seized
everything
seized
yet
they're
right
back
at
it
again
months
later,
which
is
nice.
D
E
You're
100
right,
that's
that's
a
huge
problem,
major,
it's
a
problem
everywhere
and
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
new
business
model
for
some
of
the
amazons
and
so
forth.
You
know,
I
know
what
happens
at
my
house.
They
leave
packages
right
in
front
stairs
and
I
think
perhaps
you
know
for
some
of
the
residents.
Maybe
we
can
give
some
advice.
D
D
E
People's
houses-
sure
I
mean
you
know
a
lot
of
it-
is
it's
not
because
I'm
a
police
officer
just
thinking
a
little
bit
of
common
sense.
I
think
maybe,
if
neighbors
know
each
other
and
then
they
can
put
a
little
note
in
their
door
for
the
delivery
person
to
knock
on.
You
know
the
door
next
door
type
thing
and
then
coordinate
and
advance
leave
all
packages
at
that
location.
I
think
at
night
and
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
long
time
with,
like
the
motion
sensors.
E
As
far
as
like
the
lights,
just
people
creeping
in
driveways
and
checking
I
mean
because
these
you
know
some
of
these
people
that
commit
these
crimes.
They
love
the
doctors
and
when
they
start
to
walk
in
a
in
an
area
and
then
a
motion
light
goes
off,
they're
going
to
move
on
so
and
those
are
relatively
inexpensive.
So
I
think
that's
some
good
advice
as
well.
E
B
Cheap,
so
is
this
an
opportunity
for
also
some
of
the
navigators
that
you
have
working
with
you
to
do
some
of
this
outreach
in
the
community
with
some
of
these
areas,
where
we
feel
that
you
know
if
we
knock
on
the
door
and
just
say
hey,
this
is
what's
happening
in
this
neighborhood.
B
Maybe
we
should
have
something
like
a
you
know
what
you
just
explained,
neighbor
to
neighbor,
just
looking
out
for
one
another.
You
know
it's
a
way
that
you
can
also,
you
know,
have
the
engagement
with
the
police
when,
without
the
unifying
guess
the
navigators
to
work
with
you-
and
you
can
also
make
them
aware
of
some
of
the
things
and
some
of
the
safety
precautions.
Maybe
you
can
just
work
with
your
neighbor
and
work
with
them
to
have
a
package
picked
up.
E
Sure
I
mean
honestly,
we
can
do
anything
you
want.
I
mean
we
work
for
for
the
community,
but
at
the
only
reservation
I
have,
I
know
like
the
two
street
navigators
we
have
right
now
like
like
giovanni
brought
up
about
the
drug
problem.
I
mean
they're
really
geared
towards
the
people
that
are
a
substance
use
abusers
if
you
will
and
they
need
assistance.
As
far
as
you
know,
I'll
just
say
this
out
loud
I
wouldn't
want,
because
we
do
a
lot
of
engagement
with
the
public.
E
I
say
we
the
officers,
whether
they're
in
uniform
or
playing
clothes.
I
wouldn't
want
necessarily
to
this
no
longer
for
that
to
no
longer
be
part
of
our
function,
about
engaging
neighbors
in
reaching
out
and
working
together
in
partnerships
to
solve
problems.
Because
of
you
know
some
people
that
may
think
that's
a
bad
idea.
I
think
that's
an
excellent
idea.
It's
a
sustainable
idea,
it's
something
we've
been
doing
in
the
city
for
a
long
time,
and
I
don't
think
you
know
for
any
reason,
for
you
know
that
we
should.
We
should
change
that.
E
I
think
that
you
know
we
have
given
an
example,
and
tom
was
on
an
email
a
short
time
ago,
with
one
of
the
councils
that
you
know
we
have
an
officer
like
stanley
mojica,
where,
if
any
one
of
you
or
anyone
gives
me
reaches
out
and
says,
I
have
a
problem,
and
this
is
the
address
and
a
lot.
It's
kind
of
a
recurring
type
problem.
Someone
like
sammy,
that's
kind
of
what
his
job
is
rather
than
call
the
police
and
send
a
unit
sami.
E
Has
that
conflict
resolution
skill
set
that
he
can
sit
down
with
somebody
during
the
daytime?
Have
that
conversation
hopefully
resolve
it
then
and
there,
but
if
he
has
to
bring
it
up
a
level
because
it's
not
resolved
the
first
time,
then
you
know
there's
always
fines.
We
don't
want
to
find
people,
but
you
know
that
we
have
that
ability,
so
we're
probably
I'd,
say
85
to
90
successful
in
that
regard,
and
you
know
I
would
like
to
continue
with
that.
E
Actually
we
have
other
offices
perform
a
similar
function,
but
not
that
a
civilian
group,
whether
they
work
for
the
police
department.
Somebody
else
couldn't
do
that,
but
I
think
again
in
the
interest
of
furthering
partnerships
and
community
building.
I
would
not
want
to
abandon
that
because
again
it's
been
so
successful.
B
Yeah
I
know
sammy
was
very
helpful
with
myself
and
counselor,
I'm
with
the
fire
crackers
and
also
some
neighbors
and
stuff,
so
that
was
very
helpful.
Counselors
david
naomi.
Do
you
have
a
question?
Would
you
like
to
say
something
to
the
chief.
A
I
don't
I
don't
only
to
just
really
back
up
everything.
That's
been
said
already
and
how
much
I
appreciate
as
a
city
councilor,
that
we
are
privy
to
the
information
that
we
are.
Thank
you
chief
for
that,
and
I
also
think
that
it's
a
great
idea
to
not
necessarily
continue
to
send
those
texts
and
have
them
available
to
the
public,
as
you
can
post
that
information
as
you
do
whenever
the
public
is
wants
to
know
about.
A
What's
going
on
that,
we
are
able
to
direct
them
to
that
to
the
website
and
they
can
get
that
information.
And
I
appreciate
that
all
that
information
is
available
so
that
people,
rather
than
just
hearing
rumblings,
that
they're
able
to
get
a
very
concise
and
clear
picture
of
what
is
going
on
and
how
it's
being
addressed,
because
I
think
that's
really
really
important
and
that
you
know
your
department
is
doing
a
great
job.
A
So-
and
I
also
second
that
I,
that
the
community
involvement
is
a
really
is
really
really
important
and
and
sami,
did
help
also
with
a
resident
in
my
district
who
was
having
an
accident
and
that
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
we're
not
just
having
police
officers
going
to
to
people's
houses
and
and
telling
them
what
they
should
or
shouldn't
be
doing,
but
that
we're
having
you're
having
some
department
who
is
going
and
actually
communicating
and
saying
look
this
is
what's
going
on.
This
is
how
it's
affecting
the
neighborhood.
A
Can
we
work
together
and
try
to
make
this
better
and
in
the
situation
you
know
that
I'm
talking
about?
I
definitely
saw
that
that
that
worked.
So
I
think
overall,
this
is
a
really.
This
is
a
really
really
hard
time.
Shootings
are
up
everywhere,
as
you
said
chief,
so
it's
not
just
chelsea
and
and-
and
I
just
look
forward
to
it
becoming
better
and
thank
you
for
doing
the
work
that
you
do.
This
has
been
great.
Thank
you.
E
And
by
the
way,
if
you
or
any
counselor,
if,
if
it
an
incident,
occurs
and
I
send
something
out
and
for
whatever
reason
you
know
you're
getting
a
lot
of
inquiries
about
what
occurred,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
just
ask
me
one-on-one,
because
all
of
you
most
of
you
do
ask
me
things
one-on-one
if
there's
a
kind
of
like
a
scrub
version
available
or
if
you
could
just
disseminate
what
I
sent
out,
I
will
either
say
yes
disseminate
that
or
I
could
tweak
it
a
bit.
E
B
F
B
Us
it's
good,
but
sometimes
they're
like
well.
Your
city
council
is
supposed
to
say
this
she's
supposed
to
say
all
this,
but
we
know
that
it's
true
and
we
know
it's
tested
and
it's
it's
results,
that's
coming
from
our
department.
So
that's
why
we
had
it.
Mr
manager,
do
you
have
anything
to
say?
Would
you
like
to
give
us
some
a
few
comments
or
anything?
No,
I.
B
Would
say:
okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
can
we
give
some
of
your
comments?
Okay,
great
any
of
the
columns
here
at
the
table
council.
Let.
C
G
E
I
mean
we
could
talk
about
that.
I
mean,
I
know
that
just
trying
to
think
out
loud,
because
I
I
was
reading
something
someplace
in
another
state.
That
was
something
like
that
that
took
place.
I
know
that
the
only
times
that
we
do
anything
like
that
is
during
a
snow
emergency,
but
I
I
think
that
I
was
trying
to
get
someone
brought
it
up
in
this
from
this
group
in
the
past.
E
It's
not
a
bad
idea.
The
only
thing
I'm
trying
to
balance
is.
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
we
want
to
create
some
type
of
panic
with
with
you
know
some
of
the
residents.
I
know
that,
like,
for
instance,
when
we
talked
about
the
the
fireworks
down
in
volk
park,
one
of
the
concerns
initially
was
we
said:
let's
turn
the
lights
on
just
before
the
regular
lights.
B
E
We
did
and
then
the
concern
was
that
some
of
the
residents
may
not
like
that,
because
you
know
it's
their
right,
but
I
think,
like
with
the
you
know,
all
honestly
the
same
with
the
cruise
lines
that,
depending
where
you
live,
they
are
really
bright
and-
and
you
know
so,
we
could
definitely
talk
you
and
I
and
others
perhaps
could
talk
about
that
and
maybe
come
up
with
something
more
specific
and
and
I
would
not
be
opposed
to
it.
If
we
could.
E
G
Yeah,
my
only
other
thought
is:
I
miss
jason
yeah
me
too.
You
know,
I
think
that
was
a
big
part
of
this
community
and
he
had
a
relationship
with
a
majority
of
the
people
in
the
community
and
sometimes
he
was
able
to
filter
information
and
kind
of
cool
things
off.
So
that
aspect
is
gone.
You
know.
B
So
counselor
tug.
I
So
one
of
my
questions-
and
what
I
asked
you
is
asking
me
specifically
about
the
shootings,
is
how
much
of
this
is
gang
related
and
how
much
this
is
connected
to
other
shootings
in
other
communities.
That
is
also
gang
related,
and
you
know
I
think
that
that's
what
you
know
random
shootings,
I
think
frighten
people
less
than
gang-related
stuff,
because
they
they
understand
that
this
is
kind
of
a
you
know,
it's
a
it's
an
ongoing
problem
that
is
hard
to
get
rid
of
and,
and
you
know,.
F
I
You
guys
have
done
a
great
job
in
conjunction
with
the
state
police
and
the
feds
to
kind
of
clean
up
some
of
the
some
of
the
worst
offenders
and
some
of
the
worst
gangs.
So
I
I
applaud
you
guys
for
that,
but
there's
still
this
kind
of
and
that's
what
people
are
coming
and
asking
sure.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
can
address
that
here,
but
if
you
could
that'd
be
great.
E
Yeah,
no
definitely
and
there's
a
great
question.
I
mean
it's
very,
very,
very
rare-
that
the
shooting
is
random,
meaning
someone
just
drives
down
the
street
and
decides
to
just
blow
rounds
off
even
when
there's
rounds
that
are
blown
off
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning,
whether
up
in
the
air
or
a
stop
sign
or
at
a
home
or
in
a
car.
It's
usually
done
for
a
reason
usually
to
send
a
message
to
someone
in
that
area.
E
If
not,
that
that
specific
residence
and
in
terms
of
gang
violence,
you
know
it's
somewhat
of
a
loose
term
that
you
know
there
was
a
time
when
you
know
gang
a
versus
gang
b,
and
you
know
we're
a
bigger
gang,
we're
a
tougher
gang
and
we're
going
to
show
you.
But
you
know
now,
over
the
past,
I'd
say
a
lot
at
least
the
last
five
years
have
done
more.
A
lot
of
it
is
yeah.
These
kids
are
affiliated
with
different
groups.
Sometimes
they
feel
as
though
the
strength
in
numbers
by
by
that
affiliation.
E
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
someone
takes
out
a
gun
and
points
it
at
somebody
else
and
pulls
the
trigger,
and
you
would
think
that
something
serious
must
have
had
to
happen
in
order
for
this
person
to
do
it,
and
then
we
come
to
find
out
that
oftentimes,
the
common
denominator
is
just
the
quote-unquote
disrespect
word,
meaning
someone
got
disrespected
and
then
how?
What
was
the
you
know?
E
What
was
the
mechanism
that
that
occurred,
and
usually
it's
social
media
and
someone
sent
something
out
on
social
media
where
other
people
read
it
on
some
type
of
publicly
available
platform,
and
it's
like
I'm
gonna
show
them
and
I'm
gonna
get
them
back,
and
this
isn't
just
chelsea.
This
is
all
over.
So
in
terms
of
motive
and
giovanni
brought
that
up
at
the
beginning
like.
Why
is
this
occurring?
We
we
often
find
when
someone
is
identified
and
located
and
arrested
and
we're
going
through
the
prosecution
in
terms
of
motive.
Usually
that's
that's
oftentimes.
E
E
Well,
there
is
one
of
the
points
that
you
just
mentioned:
drugs
that
there
were
at
least
two
shootings
that
were
related
to
drugs
related
to
the
sale
of
drugs
related
to,
and
then
you
might
guess.
Well,
what's
the
drug
is
it
heroin
which
is
everywhere?
Is
it
cocaine?
Is
it
marijuana
which
is
legal
in
some
respects,
and
it's
marijuana?
E
I
mean
there
is
still
a
street
market
for
marijuana
and
there
are
incidents
of
homicides
that
have
occurred,
thank
god
not
in
chelsea,
but
right
on
the
outskirts
of
chelsea
and
the
motive
was
the
seal
of
marijuana.
So
that's
that's
still
very
real.
B
J
Yes,
thank
you
for
coming
and
one
question.
J
J
E
So
I
mean
of
the
of
the
14
that
I
mentioned
some
know
each
other
most
don't
most
of
them
were
not
related.
E
Specifically,
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
like
I
said,
we
could
definitely
talk,
talk
offline
and
see
if
we
can
figure
something
out,
but
at
the
same
time
I
could
say
this
that
there
were,
if
not
in
these,
these
specific
incidents,
although
some,
where
the
offices
were
there
in
like
less
than
30
seconds,
because
they
were
right
in
the
area
to
your
point,
there's
been
times
that
I
just
thought
of
one
specifically
where
there
was
a
shooting
in
bellingham
square.
E
Driving
by
while
the
individual
is
walking-
and
you
know
so-
that
some
of
these
individuals,
even
though
there's
increased
presence
of
this
police
presence
in
the
immediate
area,
some
of
them,
whether
they're
under
the
influence
of
drugs,
alcohol
they're.
Just
not
you
know,
not
the
brightest
problems
in
the
world,
some
of
them
just
don't
care,
and,
and
some
of
them,
like
I
say
in
terms
of
the
the
lack
of
respect
for
law
enforcement.
The
lack
of
respect
for
our
owner
is
incredible.
E
It
really
is,
and
usually
again,
the
numbers
are
what
they
are,
but
they're,
usually
young
men,
they're,
usually
young
men,
and
if
I'm
always
on
a
call,
molly
deals
with
a
lot
of
young
men
with
you
know:
dangerous
paths,
if
you
will
they're,
usually
18
people
actually
lower
than
18,
probably
16
to
like
you,
know,
24,
and
so
thank
god
for
for
people
like
molly
and
her
organization
and
others
that
are
trying
to
get
these
kids
out
of
that
that
dangerous
lifestyle.
E
But
you
know
some
of
them,
and
now
it
seems
like
more
more
individuals
want
to
get
their
hands
on
a
gun.
They
feel
a
lot
more
comfortable
when
they
have
a
gun.
Thankfully
most
will
never
use
it,
but
there's
some
now
that
perhaps
would
never
use
in
the
past
and
now
are
not
afraid
to
just
take
it
and
point
it
and
pull
the
trigger
and
the
first
time
they
do
it
and
nothing
happens,
and
they
feel
some
type
of
throw
from
doing
it.
E
J
With
this
increased
activity
of
drugs,
drug
types
that
for
a
while
and
then
the
city
did
all
the
work
was
done
and
they
disappeared.
J
F
J
E
Well,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
know
you're
right
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
this
is
you
know
we
have
where
we
have
between
40
and
50
000
people
in
two
square
miles.
If
we
have
you
know
one
percent
of
the
population,
that's
addicted,
I'm
sure
we
have
more
than
that,
but
if
we
have
one
that's
a
big
number
could
be
four
or
500
people
and
some
of
them
very
visible
on
the
street.
E
E
I
think
we've
come
a
long
way
I
mean,
but
you
know,
will
there
ever
be
a
time
when
chelsea
is
completely
drug
free,
be
awesome
if
there
was
but
you're
going
to
be
realistic
that
you
know
the
issues
that
we
have
to
deal
with
the
society
are
in
society,
so
you
know,
I
think
we
can
just
try
to
be
continue
to
stay
out
and
continue
to
try
to
be
more
innovative
and
creative.
I
know
the
navigators
are
going
to
come
up
here.
E
I
think
in
a
couple
weeks
and
they're
going
to
give
you
their
they
do
a
great
job.
They
really
do
and
I
won't
put
the
card
before
the
house,
but
they
do
a
great
job
and
but
for
individuals
like
that
and
again,
when
I
mentioned
roker
and
other
organizations
that
are
just
out
there,
north
suffolk
mental
health
and
others
just
really
trying
to
trying
to
make
a
difference.
E
You
guys
have
heard
about
the
hub
before
and
rather
than
that's
just
kind
of
sit
back
and
wait,
trying
to
be
very,
very
proactive
and
find
someone
going
down
the
wrong
road
and
usually
with
the
hub.
The
common
denominator
is
mental
health
in
drugs,
and
there's
been
at
this
point
over
800
success
stories.
Some
people
have
fallen
back
into
that
that
trap
a
bit
but
there's
others.
E
Many
many
many
others
that
have
not
so
and
chelsea
kind
of
a
bit
is
is
becoming
the
envy
of
some
other
urban
environments
where
they,
you
know,
what
are
you,
what
are
you
guys
doing
and
how
are
you
doing
again
we're
not
perfect,
but
we're,
hopefully
we're
getting
better
at
it.
You
know
all
the
time.
H
I
mean
one
constraint
that
has
been
a
little
bit
difficult
for
not
just
chelsea,
but
all
of
our
enforcement
to
deal
with
was
covered.
So
covenant
closed,
courthouses
and
covid
required
the
corruption
facility
to
release
probably
more
people
than
they
wished
to.
H
F
H
People
sectioned
getting
them
into
detox
were
less
available
for
us
for
a
fairly
significant
period
of
three
or
four
months
now.
Courts
are
starting
to
reopen.
Facilities
are
starting
to
have
a
little
more
capacity.
A
H
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
mean
I
forgot
about
that.
It's
actual
point
that,
most
recently
we
were
so
to
tom's
point.
When
you
know.
Usually
we
have
some
people,
not
just
that
are
addicted
to
drugs,
but
they're
addicted
to
alcohol
and
they're
very
visible.
We
see
them
about
and
there
was
a
time
where
we
had
a
tool
known
as
a
quote,
unquote:
section
35,
where
we
could
get
them
the
help
that
they
needed
in
on
an
involuntary
basis.
E
In
order
to
do
that,
we
needed
to
take
them
to
the
courthouse
during
court
hours
and
the
court
has
a
protocol
that
they
basically
take
someone's
temperature
before
they
take
them
in
and
of
the
12
individuals,
12
individuals,
in
a
short
period
of
time
that
we
we
took
down,
there
was
11
of
them
that
had
a
temperature
and
they
believed
that
they
were
sick
and
they
would
not
take
them.
So
it
was
kind
of
a
catch-22.
So
you
might
ask.
Well
you
know
who
was
the
police
department?
Can't
you?
E
You
have
someone,
that's
highly
heavily,
intoxicated
we're
going
to
take
them
to
a
hospital,
but
if
they're
just
kind
of
intoxicated-
and
you
know
just
intoxicated
but
they're-
visibly
intoxicated
can't
you
just
take
them
into
protective
custody
down
the
police
station
over
time.
We
always
did
we
averaged
about
500
pcs
a
year.
E
But
now
in
terms
of
coping
is
the
wildcard
like
tom
said,
and
do
we
you
know
we
were
trying
to
limit
the
amount
of
people
that
we
took
into
custody
in
general
in
the
police
station
and
we've
had
a
number
of
we've
had
you
know
over
10
offices
test
positive,
a
couple
out
right
now,
so
because
of
that
you
know
we're
really
trying
to
dance
between
the
raindrops.
E
It's
been
a
challenge,
and
you
know
tom,
and
I
have
talked
at
length
trying
to
come
up
with
that
happy
median
on
how
to
address
this,
but
but
yeah,
that's
glad
to
brought
that
up,
because
that's
that's
a
big
part
of
it.
B
I
was
actually
going
to
bring
that
up
by
thinking
that,
because
of
the
covet
there,
it
has
been
the
absence
of
that
contact
to
go
out
and
reach
out
to
those
folks,
because
we
have
seen
a
lot
of
the
increase
in
it,
and
you
know
what
a
lot
of
the
increase
in
the
folks
said.
The
second
part
of
the
conversation
we
talked
about
bellingham
square
they're,
just
out
there
they're,
just
somewhere
recovering
or
dealing
with
addict
they're,
not
out
there
shooting
it.
Just
it's
a
bad
image.
B
People
just
look
at
that
as
a
bad
image.
It's
nothing
we
really
can
do
but
try
to
offer
the
service
that
we
had
in
place.
Prior
to
that.
So
I
think
you
know
we
have
to
also
look
at
you.
F
B
In
light
of
covert
the
absence
of
the
navigators
out
there
trying
to
really
navigate
and
talk
to
folks
and
try
to
see
it
and
the
right
thing,
so
we
see
this
and
we
know
that,
but
again
it's
always
good
for
the
public
to
realize
that
all
so
I'm
cheap,
I
know
it
comes
with
molly-
wants
to
ask
a
question
or
a
comment,
but
we
talked
about
the
shooting
the
guns,
not
the
shooting.
B
Is
there
any
type
of
initiative
that
you
are
sitting
down
with
your
colleagues
and
and
trying
to
figure
out
yeah
their
guns
here
people
are
using.
How
can
we
get
them
out
their
hand?
Is
I
mean
I
remember
when
it
got
to
a
level
where
there
was
a
lot
of
guns?
We
did
a
buy
back
program
with
guns
and
stuff
like
that.
Have
you,
given
that
any
thought
about
initiatives
how
we
can
get
some
of
these
guns
off
the
street?
B
E
Mean
someone
who
has
their
hands
on
a
gun,
some
of
these
individuals
that
we're
speaking
of
they're
not
going
to
give
the
gun
out.
You
know
ever
the
gun,
buyback
programs,
you
know,
I'm
not
against
them,
you
know
we
could
we
could
we
could
do
them.
A
lot
of
it
is
a
lot
of.
It
is
optics
to
be
honest
with
you.
A
lot
of
it
is.
It
does
not
reduce
gun
violence
and
some
of
these
cities
that
have
have
done
these.
E
They
don't,
but
I
mean
if
it
was
in
terms
of
stats,
and
we
wanted
to
say
that
hey
last
year
we
took
100
guns
off
the
street
and
90
of
them
were
from
the
gun
buyback.
I
guess
the
100
number
looks
looks
good,
but
is
that
really
you
know
a.
C
E
These
guns
come
from.
You
know,
elderly
folks,
that
someone
died
and
they
actually
had
legal
guns
and
they
just
they
were
just
sitting
in
a
house
and
they
want
to
turn
them
in
and
that
that
does
happen.
Now
we
we
are
able
to
get
them
and
get
them
to
a
deal
or
explain
that
they
can
make
some
money
on
doing
them,
but
the
individuals
that
have
you
know
the
kids
on
the
street.
They
they
get
their
hands
on
these
guns.
E
They're,
not
you
know,
for
a
hundred
dollars
or
for
a
gift
card
for
150
dollars,
they're
not
going
to
give
them
up
they
spend
they
spend
some
good
money.
Some
you
know
on
the
street
to
buy
them.
We
have
the
to
your
point.
I
mean:
what
are
we
doing
to
get
the
guns
off
the
street?
We
have
no
secret
I'll,
throw
it
out
there.
We
have
federal
agencies,
one
of
them
is
the
atf.
E
E
Similar
to
the
dea,
when
the
dea
looking
for
drugs,
they
have
individuals
that
come
up
on
our
radar,
that
are
selling
guns
in
city
or
in
chelsea
are
nearby,
and
we
make
these
cases
we
seize
a
lot
of
guns
with
the
help
of
the
atf.
We
have
active
investigations
right
now,
as
we
always
do
active
ongoing,
so
they
that
type
of
our
resource
is
very
valuable
to
us
and
then,
in
addition,
just
offices
on
the
street,
taking
every
precaution
to
be
safe,
and
I
mean
some
a
high
court.
E
You
know
it's,
not
police
officers
can't
walk
up
to
somebody
and
just
look
at
someone
and
think
that
they
look
dangerous
and
stop
them
and
pat
first
thing.
We
can't
do
that.
We
need
a
certain
level
of
evidence
called
reasonable
suspicion,
not
just
that
they're
committing
a
crime
but
separate
and
distinct,
and
we
believe
that
they're,
armed
and
dangerous.
The
court
is
very
specific
on
that.
But
when
those
conditions
are
met,
officers
are
in
in
positions
to
put
their.
A
E
To
stop
them
meeting
from
from
leaving
based
on
certain
information,
pat
first
them
and
and
we've
come
up
with
a
number
of
guns
in
that
respect,
and
then
certainly
just
the
short
spot
that
I
mentioned
initially
that,
because
that
goes
off
and
it's
within
you
know,
30
seconds
of
the
shot
being
fired.
The
scenes
that
we
respond
to
now
are
considered
hot
scenes,
as
opposed
to
the
average
time
when
shots
are
fired
and
someone
picks
up
the
phone
and
calls
the
police.
This
is
on
a
national
basis
based
on
some
research.
E
It's
three
to
five
minutes
so
police
officers,
even
though
I
just
got
the
call
it
was
right
there
in
clinton,
broadway
and
I'm
right.
You
know,
writing
home
depot
and
I'm
there
in
30
seconds.
The
reality
is,
if
that
was
someone
just
calling
on
the
phone,
it's
three
to
five
minutes
people
online,
but
with
the
short
sport
of
technology.
It's
almost
instantaneous
right,
so
less
than
a
minute,
so
that's
been
very
helpful
as
well.
B
Okay,
so
okay,
counselor
are
you
there
can.
K
You
hear
me
yes,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
chief,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
I
I
really
do
appreciate
this
dialogue.
I
I
look
at
this
a
little
different.
I
I
recognize
that
we
tend
to
go
to
the
police
whenever
there
are
shootings,
but
really
there's
nothing
that
you
can
do
to
essentially
stop
them.
You
can
only
respond
to
them,
but
I
guess
my
concern
is
that
we're
seeing
an
uptick
in
mental
health
episodes
and
and
crime.
K
E
Yeah
no
excellent
question
no
sammy,
I
mentioned
sammy
because
we
all
know
him.
I
mentioned
sammy
because
he
comes
from
a
unique
background
in
that
he
worked
for
the
police
department
as
a
civilian
and
he
was
trained
as
a
conflict
intervention
specialist
back
in
the
90s,
and
no
I
mean
there's
many
other
offices
and
a
lot
of
them
honestly
are
our
younger
officers.
Incredibly
skilled.
We
send
them
to
all
kinds
of
trainings
to
your
point.
E
There
is
something
called
the
the
one
mind
campaign,
which
is
an
I
international
association
of
chiefs
of
police
initiative
and
the
the
one
mind
campaign
stresses
or
what
they
advocate
for
is
that
every
single
police
department
have
100
of
their
police
officers
trained
in
mental
health.
First
aid,
which
we
have
100
of
our
officers
trained
in
mental
health,
first
aid,
and
they
advocate
for
20
of
the
police
department
to
be
trained
in
what
they
call
critical
incident
training
and
actually
strike
that
crisis.
E
Cit
crisis
intervention,
training-
and
this
has
to
do
in
our
department.
We
don't
have
20,
we
have
about
40
percent
of
our
offices.
The
training
is
more
intensive.
It's
a
week-long
training.
We
there's
a
training
center
over
in
somerville
we
applied
for
a
grant,
we
received
it.
We
have
grant
funds
to
send
our
officers
to
that
week-long
training
over
the
past
two
and
a
half
years.
Things
have
slowed
down
during
colbit
because
there's
no
in
classroom.
E
A
E
You
know
in
terms
of
without
going
crazy
with
the
cit,
but
it's
a
matter
of
you're
100
right
that
the
common
denominator-
and
many
of
these
call
in
many
of
these
situations,
where
there's
weapons
involved
oftentimes,
especially
when
someone
wants
to
take
their
own
life
is,
is
mental
health.
So
what
we
try
to
do
is
slow
things
down.
If
someone
has
a
weapon
other
than
a
firearm
create
distance.
E
De-Escalation,
all
these
things
are
stressed
in
the
cit
training
and
what
we
applied
for
in
addition
to
that
is
another
grant
and
the
grant
would
be.
This
is
a
trying
to
get
the
exact
name
of
the
model,
there's
a
kind
of
a
co
co-extensive
model
whereby
some
departments
like
we
have
framingham.
We
have
arlington,
they
come
off
the
top
of
my
head
taunton,
they
have
someone,
they
hire
a
civilian,
a
mental
health,
clinician
that
is
assigned
to
the
police
department
and
they
work
they
co-respond
it's
a
co-response
model.
E
They
will
co-respond
with
the
offices
and
they
work
like
a
staggered
schedule,
so
it
won't
just
be
during
the
day,
it'll
be
an
overlap
between
the
day
into
the
night
hours.
But
there's
a
core
response:
we
have
someone
in
crisis,
god
forbid
someone's
trying
to
take
their
own
life
or
something
like
this
rather
than
the
offices.
E
Just
with
that
40-hour
training,
we
would
have
a
professional
respond
with
them
so
that
we
wouldn't
be
in
a
situation
where,
god
forbid,
someone's
someone
has
to
take
someone's
life
or
they
take
their
own
life,
so
so
yeah,
that's
something.
Mental
health
in
policing
in
general,
but
certainly
here
in
massachusetts
with
our
eye
towards
mental
health
is
is,
is
a
significant
goal
for
all
police
departments
and
chelsea.
What
we
want
to
do
is
we.
E
We
hope
that
we
can
be
the
model,
because
we,
you
know
with
100,
assault,
police
officers
or
107
police
officers.
We
we're
not
a
thousand,
you
know
because
we
have
a
number
that's
manageable.
These
are
goals
that
we
can
definitely
attain
and
and
then
hopefully
become
the
model
for
other
other
departments
to
follow
suit.
K
A
K
Addict
or
I
want
to
go
and
kill
somebody
today.
This
is
these
are
symptoms
of
something
that's
a
lot
deeper
and
we
need
to
have
serious
conversations
about
that.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
you
chief
for
kind
of
thinking
that
way
and
and
kind
of
leading
the
way
in
the
police
department.
It's
something
that
you
have
a
great
reputation
outside
of
the
community
and
and
it's
because
the
innovative
way
in
which
you
approach
the
department-
and
I
do
appreciate
that.
K
When
I
see
them
and
say
you
know
you
can't
be
here:
do
you
need
help
that
kind
of
thing,
but
I
just
you're,
seeing
it
a
lot
more,
it's
more
in
your
face,
more
blatant.
So
I
just
wanted
to
co-sign
what
my
colleagues
were
saying
and
thank
you
I'm
all
done.
Mr
chairman.
Thank.
F
E
Well,
yeah
I
mean
we
have
a.
We
have
a
program
that
we've
had
since
1998,
which
is
called
the
pac
program,
which
is
the
police
action,
counseling
team
and
that's
georgia
green.
You
guys
probably
all
know
georgia.
She
works
for
mgh.
There
was
a
time
when
the
pac
team
was
four
members
and
they
would
respond
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week,
but
they
were
usually
geared
more
towards
childhood
trauma.
So
could
be
you
know
it
could
be
a
homicide.
E
It
could
even
be
a
domestic
in
the
with
the
children
present
rather
than
police
officers
do
the
best
they
could
trying
to
comfort
the
child
and
then
that
trauma
could
lead
to
other
problems
down
the
road.
We
would
have
a
clinician
respond
that
night
work
with
the
children
and
then
develop
a
relationship
moving
forward.
We
still
have
that
george
is
still
on
board.
E
She's
phenomenal
does
a
great
job,
but
this
is
the
having
an
embedded
clinician
in
our
department
and
again-
and
I
hope
we
I'm
not
confident-
but
I'm
optimistic-
that
we'll
we'll
get
this
grant.
I
think
we'll
be
a
game
changer.
You
know
to
tamale's
point.
I
think
you
know
that
that
co-response
model
and
mental
health
is
so
prevalent,
not
just
in
chelsea
but
like
all
over,
and
I
think
if
we
can
certainly
just
like
you
know,
be
there.
E
E
I
mean
great
question:
I
mean
the
scary
guns,
meaning
there
was
a
revolver
that
was
recovered,
the
other
night,
which
we
don't
see
many
revolvers
anymore.
It's
just
six
bullets
in
the
silver.
The
guns
are,
you
know
nine
millimeters
40
caliber
weapons.
These
are
guns
that
have
one
bullet
and
then
13
bullets
in
the
chamber.
I
mean
13
bullets
in
the
magazine,
one
in
the
chamber,
so
yeah
a
lot
of
rounds
can
be
fired,
really
quick.
F
B
F
C
D
And
thank
you
for
reassuring
the
people
that
our
city
is
safe.
It's
a
to
all
this.
The
city
has
been
so
bad
besides,
a
rational
shooting
which
is
frightening
to
happen
all
over
the
place,
and
you
can't
you
can't
explain.
I
can't
explain
and
explain
why
it
happened,
and
this
happened
not
just
besides
that
I
said
you've
been
pretty
good,
it's
as
good
as
anywhere
else
to
live.
This
is
good.
You
have
done
the
best
job
you
can
do
and
I
think
it's
a
great
job.
E
So
you
know
I
don't
know
necessarily
if
the
answer
is
is
more
police.
I
think
we
have
to
find
those
individuals
that
are
responsible.
We
have
to
utilize.
Every
mechanism
that's
available
technology
is
is,
is
great
that
we
have
available.
I
mean
you
know.
We
talked
about
crimes
from
20
years
ago.
We
didn't
have
cameras
around
like
we
do
today
the
ability,
the
shooting
that
I
mentioned
on
route
1
the
other
night
I
mean
the
individual
that
decided
to
go
over
the
bridge.
What
happens
when
they
go
over
the
bridge?
E
They
picture
their
license
plate.
You
know
which
led
to
their
identification
in
terms
of
who
they
were
backing
it
up.
Looking
in
the
in
the
mall
private
cameras,
private,
just
the
technology
that
we
have
is
phenomenal.
So,
following
up
on
every
single
lead
that
we
have
hoping
that
we
can
convince
members
of
the
public
to
come
forward
with
information
either.
E
You
know
hopefully
coming
forward
and
identifying
themselves,
but
if
not
even
on
an
anonymous
basis,
so
we
can
follow
up
with
different
leads
is
very
helpful,
but
yes
certainly
find
those
not
flooding
the
city
with
you
know:
200
cops
find
those
individuals
responsible,
hold
them
accountable,
identify
them,
locate
them,
arrest
them,
prosecute
them
and-
and
you
know,
move
on,
but
I
think
that
that's
probably
the
best
mechanism
again
to
your
point,
crime
is-
has
gone
down
in
our
city
year
after
year
after
year.
E
This
is
violent
crime
year
after
year
after
year,
and
but
for
the
past.
You
know
six
weeks
with
this.
You
know
spike,
but
it
is
a
significant
spike,
which
I
I
definitely
recognize
I
would
be.
You
know
like
talking
to
other
police
chiefs
and
saying
how's
things
in
chelsea
and
I
always
knock
on
wood,
but
I
say
things
have
been
incredible.
Things
have
been
incredible,
but
at
the
same
time
there
is
that
balance.
E
Like
I
said
multiple
times
during
this
meeting,
people
are
getting
their
hands
on
weapons
and
they're
not
afraid
to
pull
the
trigger
and
again
all
of
us
in
this
room
where
you
know
we're
from
generation
a
generation
that
we
you
know,
we
were
growing
up
as
kids.
We
never
saw
guts,
we
never
saw
guts,
you
know
I
mean
if
you
heard
of
a
shooting,
you
know
once
every
you
know
five
years.
You
know
it
was
america.
We
just
never
saw
guns
now,
they're
so
prevalent
just
across
the
board.
E
I
mean
with
with
street
prostitution.
You
know,
certainly
you
know,
individuals,
whether
it
be
the
you
know,.
E
That
are
on
the
street
performing
those
functions
or
it's
the
you
know
the
the
men
usually
men.
They
they
go
to
isolated
areas
where
it's
dark
and
they
think
that
you
know
there's
nobody
around.
That's
usually
you
know
the
rationale
behind
it.
Certainly,
but
all
we
can
do
is
continue
to
ask
our
residents
for
help
when
that
occurs,
meaning
if
they
see
this
is
still
kind
of
a
challenge
and
I'll
just
throw
it
out
there
that
you
know
someone.
I
was
going
to
say
a
suspicious
vehicle.
E
What's
this
is
what
is
a
suspicious
vehicle,
a
vehicle
that
they're
not
used
to
seeing
in
the
area,
so
they
call
the
police
and
then
the
police
go
down
there
and
they're
obliged
to
take
an
action,
and
what
is
that
I
mean
that
means
they'd
have
to
roll
up
on
a
on
a
car
in
a
secluded
area
like
you're,
describing
and
perhaps
put
the
lights
on
or
even
a
flashlight,
and
then
it's
like
well,
I'm
just
here
reading
the
newspaper.
Why
are
you
quote
unquote
stopping
me
so
there's
always
that
balance.
E
It's
like
well
we're
not
stopping
you
we're
we're
following
we're
there
for
a
reason
we
got
called
there.
You
know,
following
up
with
the
call
so
trying
to
maintain
that
balance,
always
with
the
you
know
our
mind
towards
enhancing
public
safety,
but
certainly
being
respectful
of
individuals
that
we
encounter
at
the
same
time,
because
you
just
don't
know
some
of
it
might
be
innocent
behavior,
so
try
it.
That
could
be
a.
B
Again,
I
think,
for
the
most
of
us
here
we
hear
the
concerns
in
our
community.
We
did
not
want
to
ignore
this,
and
I
think
I
speak
for
a
lot
of
city
councillors.
We
didn't
want
to
ignore
that
there
was
in
many
of
the
speakers
council
members
tonight
said
an
increase
of
some
of
this
activity
and
from
what
we
hear
from
you
and
the
city
manager
and
some
of
the
recommendations
and
stuff,
and
we
realize
that
some
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
cobra
19.
B
sure
some
of
these
folks
is
on
drugs
or
just
out
there.
You
know
they
don't
have
the
service,
they
don't
have
the
engagement
from
the
navigators
from
the
people
from
you
know,
north
suffolk
or
roka
and
stuff,
and
we
hope
that
you
know
in
the
opening
statement.
B
We
talked
about
the
last
six
seven
weeks
where
we've
seen
an
increase.
Now
that
we're
getting
ready
to
seem
like
we
open
up
a
little
further
in
our
city.
We
hope
that
these
organizations,
and
and
will
get
out
there
be
able
to
navigate
navigate,
is
something
we
think
that
outreach
would
help
folks-
and
we
appreciate
your
time
and
I
apologize
if
you
thought
I'd
cut
you
off,
we,
we
know
you
can
go
all
night
long.
B
We
wanted
to
keep
you
in
here,
get
you
to
answer
some
questions
and
hear
what
we
were
hearing
and
we
wanted
you
to
address
that,
and
I
think
we
did
if
anyone
has
any
more
last
comments,
I'll,
let
them
have
a
say.
So,
if
not,
if
no
one
has
any
comments
for
the
chief
or
the
city
manager.
I'll
close
the
meeting,
and
thank
you
both
for
being
here.