Chelsea, MA Unsorted, 13 May 2021

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City of Chelsea

A

We could go so I'm going to wait like another week and then I'll be good.

B

A

The green means they're on yes, okay, we're going to call the meeting to order. Welcome everybody! Thank you so much for being here um so first to take attendance.

A

We have commissioner vega you're here mike's here, yep james here, guido, okay, great um adoption of the minutes for april 8th meeting. Can I get a motion to approve.

C

A

Great. Thank you.

A

Clerks updates.

D

Sidewalk sale, application last meeting, you guys wanted um a sample and I sent it on with the packets and um it's published, and we want to see how many people will take advantage of the sidewalk sales for the outdoor seating.

D

We still have about five or six applicants still waiting for their site plans.

D

I got three today before I left work which I have to forward over to mike mcintyre, so you can look at it, so we're still waiting on that um and the taxi service and offices in the taxi cab parking we've been having an issue with the parking of taxi vehicles because of the fact that zoning is limited and reggie's in chester on chestnut street is no longer available and two taxi cab companies used to park their taxi cabs there, and for the past two years the city manager has been relaxed on enforcement enforcement because of the uber delivery issues around taxis, they were being phased out.

D

So, however, they were in assistance at our taxi stand, so we have two one on in market basket and one at the chelsea bellingham square.

D

As far as taxi office, our regulations require a chelsea taxi company to have an office in chelsea. They don't have won well and has.

D

Sorry, um so they don't have there's two companies that don't have offices in chelsea and those are the ones that were in reggie's um and we think that this requirement would need to be enforced and um we're also notifying all of you of the complexities of taxis in chelsea, and we are in renewal season and that's it I mean I it just it's hard for them to find a place, and we don't know if we need to change the zoning or but yeah.

D

That's the update, I'm just giving you an update on taxis and that's it.

A

Thank you any questions. Yes, I have a question.

C

So, who would be able to help them find a location or who's working in terms of the city to see if they don't find a location? What do we do to accommodate a small business.

B

We were supposed to have a meeting, I think, last wednesday we were supposed to have a meeting last wednesday. I think it got pushed to next week, myself, john, the priest, cheryl and we've got some ideas. I don't I don't have a concrete answer, but we're working on it. Okay, perfect.

A

Okay, thank you. Thank.

D

A

Okay, this is my first time actually officially leading this meeting, so I will absolutely mess up so just bear with me. I looked my fellow commissioners to help me out and so, let's get started.

A

First up public hearing to consider a petroleum license: an installation of new storage tanks for beechum realty, llc, dba, dennis k, burke oil at 310, beechum street chelsea mass- the notice here by given that a public hearing will be held by the chelsea licensing commission on thursday may 13th at 6 pm and the city council chambers, 500 broadway, to consider revoking suspending. Oh sorry wrong.

A

One notice here by given that a public hearing will be held by the chelsea licensing commission to may 13 thursday at city hall, to consider a petroleum storage license application for beecham realty dennis burke oil. Please be advised that you must notify all abutters via certified return receipt. Mail of this.

D

Hearing state your name and address.

A

Yeah name and address.

E

Good afternoon um good evening for the record hussein savage kid with freeman peterson inc out of salem new hampshire, and I have.

F

E

Great, I have some of the um mailing green cards. I don't know I'll get it after all right.

E

Basically, it's the existing gas station site at 410 beechum street they're, looking to redevelop the site currently um there's a large building uh fuel canopy, some underground storage tanks and some above ground storage tanks on the facility.

E

um They have about thirty, six thousand gallons of existing storage for underground tanks and there's three thousand gallons for asts about above-ground storage tanks. All that would be removed from the property we're putting in new two new, actually three new tanks. The first tank would be twenty thousand gallon double wall fiberglass.

E

The second would be a twelve thousand, it's again a twenty thousand gallon tank, but it's split in two compartments, twelve thousand gallons on in one and eight thousand gallons in the other, and that's um gasoline, so there's twenty thousand gallons diesel, 20, 000, gallons of gasoline and then the third tank is a diesel exhaust fluid tank which is not regulated by epa or the mass dp.

E

It's basically a it's, an additive that the truckers put in their um in their fuel tanks to lower the emissions. So that would also be provided um again. The building would be removed, new smaller kiosk and just a canopy providing both gasoline and diesel fueling. So we're just looking for an increase. An amended storage license, basically for the um basically 1 000 extra gallons of gasoline storage.

C

Great, do you have a blueprint? Can you present it? I.

E

Do it it was submitted with the application? Okay, but I could um I have an easel or I don't know where the best place to set anything up is here. You.

C

Can set it up from where you are yeah yeah?

C

I know, but I just didn't know the area yeah, it's very small, so I apologize, but it's very small to see it in the stuff that you guys submitted. Sorry, okay, okay,.

A

A

Yeah, sorry, just so, people can hear you that are watching online.

E

Sorry about that, so um two 10 000 gallon underground storage tanks containing diesel inside the building underground that are filled on the exterior of the building. We have four four thousand gallon gasoline tanks in this location, then there's three above ground storage, tanks, one thousand gallons each in this area. This is the existing fueling canopy and just a wide open driveway.

E

What our proposal is to again demo pretty much the entire site come in with one overhead canopy in this location, uh kiosk over here two sorry, two fueling lanes for um diesel trucks closer to the road here and then gasoline fueling back here and there would be an offering for like um retail diesel for, like you know, the volkswagens or whatevers that have um diesel. The new tanks would be in this location, underground and above that, tanks would be eight inch concrete mat.

E

People can drive over those. So again the 12 and 8 in this location, 12 000, regular 8, 000, super 20, 000 gallon diesel and a 8 000 gallon def tank, and then the plan that I submitted shows the underground piping. That would be provided to the new dispensers driveways.

E

We we worked out the driveways with, I know, there's a roadway project going on, so we went back and forth with the consultant for the city on the driveways and we kind of worked those out.

E

We went in front of the conservation commission, I believe a few months, a few months back got their approval.

F

Fire departments.

E

All set fire department so after we get this fuel storage license, the next step would be to take that fuel storage license. We prepare a fire suppression plan submit that to the fire department they would review approve, or you know, comment on the plan. We take that submit it to the state fire marshal's office and get our self-serve approval from from the state fire marshal's office.

A

Any other questions or questions um so uh open up to the public. Are there any comments.

A

Okay, so someone else.

C

Is to approve second.

A

Great all in favor, thank you.

A

Okay, next up is a disciplinary public hearing notices here by, given that a public hearing will be held by the chelsea licensing commission on thursday may 13th at 6 pm at city council chambers to consider revoking, suspending or modifying the amusement entertainment license of mo brothers, llc dba, latinos, falcon billiard and bar at 158 broadway for violating city of chelsea licensing, commission rules and regulations.

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Section 2.11 b, which states no entertainment at the licensed premises, may be conducted in a manner such that the noise from the entertainment can be heard outside the boundaries of the licensed premises. Complaint is attached.

G

Good afternoon my name is nelson molina. I live in 51, marble street apartment one. So um what the problem was that we accidentally bought. Well, we didn't accidentally, we bought two doors that didn't have no insulation inside of it. So at the time we didn't know that the sound was coming out and we eventually heard that our name was brought up in the in the meeting and then we found out what was going on. So since that day we started figuring out, like you know, try to fix a problem stuff like that officer.

G

Santiago was able to help us. You know, come down there and tell us what we need to do and this, and that so I mean we got everything um completed. I got some photos here. If I can give it to you guys.

C

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C

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G

So what we did is uh we bought some acoustic um panels for the doors and they're fireproof and they got professionally installed and what you see in the in the back of the door is this kind of like tar, soundproof um thing that I guess the sound doesn't come out and we tested it, and we I mean it's pretty good right now, no sound comes out and nothing like that.

C

Can you explain the last page.

G

Oh um cheryl told me that I can't have a doorbell in the back, so I took it off yeah and um officer. Santiago told me that I needed two more cameras and they got installed too yeah.

F

When did you do this work? uh Well,.

G

It got done by last week on friday because um our camera guy couldn't um come until thursday. No it came out like tuesday. I think it was.

F

Is the complainance here?

F

Is the noise guard better.

A

Sorry, what I couldn't hear you.

A

You need to come up and speak. Thank you.

H

This weekend, we could still hear base coming into our condo unit.

F

Was was it better or the same.

H

It sounded less, but you could still hear the base.

F

How close do you live to the establishment.

H

A

It 30 feet yeah right.

F

A

I guess my question is: has it always been when you moved in? Has the noise always been there or is it recently? It's been more like, I guess, what's been.

H

So we moved in like at the start of the pandemic um like last may, so there wasn't anything noticeable, I'm also assuming there may have not been business happening. Then I don't know what bars were able to do back in early 2020, but I would say, within the last three four months is when we've really noticed it, especially on the weekends.

F

Okay, thank you.

A

And I guess um officers has there been noise complaints in the past.

I

For the complaint, this was during covert, so if they just moved in and made everything was shut down.

A

Yeah, I understand that there's.

I

A I know, I'm not sure. If uh isd approved this uh this place holds 225 people, we don't have a nightclub license. I know the city wants to look into that. I think we need to evaluate what a family restaurant is. If there's been, there wasn't close to 200 people, the officer will say because they were watching a fight or a soccer match. I think this commission needs to address the license. Is it a restaurant?

I

Is it a family, restaurant or is it a nightclub or was it uh because I think we could pull the food receipts and I'm sure 200 people didn't buy food, um he doesn't well, he can beg to differ with you, the officer who did the investigation, everything we ask him to do. He complies yeah, but until the commission wants to take a stand on what they want in the neighborhood, it's going to be a nightclub.

I

If you think it's a restaurant, it's not a restaurant. You go by tonight. The disco lights will be flashing and sometimes it's not crowded. Sometimes it is crowded, uh but the police are handcuffed. We go by the occupancy. The occupancy is 225 people. uh So if this woman lives behind that, that's what she's going to get 225 people right- music people loitering leaving late- that's what it is, but the police continue to go there. We just an officer santiago, will uh give his uh observations, uh but for the police perspective, it's just.

I

If that's what it's going to be like that's what it's going to be. You know you should not come before the board all the time, because under their current restrictions, they're not violating anything right. I think I told one of the city councils there may have been 180 people, there's no one, there's no way. We can count every person, they have cameras, they he does he's the only business. We told him to go with red shirts. His security was red shirts. uh He they policed the uh front area. Well, I didn't.

I

I never knew about the back area where the complaint was talking about, but that's the issue at hand right.

A

And I guess my question is, I guess: has there has noise been a complaint in the neighborhood? Has this been like an ongoing noise issue or is it I.

I

Can't you know something we're all in the pandemic mode, but.

A

Before the pandemic, before that, there's.

I

Always been issues out front loading, but that's a business. The upfront of the business is but.

A

That's not noise.

I

Business districts like so people, if they disperse pretty quickly, I think their security does a good job trying to get them out of there. uh I mean our offices. I never really hear too many complaints that there's an issue upfront. I believe it may have been a fight weekend. That was, you know, moved off. I I don't. I haven't seen the report yet uh when you have 200 people, if you don't think, there's going to be noise, there's going to be noise. That's that's the issue.

I

200 people are going to leave at 1 in the morning twelve, but.

A

Yeah, it's a it's a bar yeah, it's a buck.

I

It's uh and that's that's the issue, the occupancy and there's an upstairs and downstairs. um So you know it's a much bigger place. It's very tough for us to view uh there is no windows in front there's a small stained, glass kind of opaque viewing area that we can't see, but you can see the disco lights flashing.

I

So, like my point, is to the police for us they comply with 90 of the stuff they're supposed to do they come. We we just like the officer, will testify what he observed. The door was one of the issues and he continually was with him working on the door.

A

F

According to the letter from the resident, the complaint seems to be the music, not the patrons.

A

No, that's well! That's what I said. I mean basically what you're saying.

F

Oh, maybe you can just turn the music down.

G

That's there, I bought a machine in which I'm able to now to control the volume. So now the djs can't control the volume there. So I control it. So whenever you know I come in there and I feel like it's too loud, I can turn it down. It's the overall volume of the of the system. So now I can control that.

F

Are the speakers facing towards the rear.

G

No, I I took those. I took the speakers that were near the the side of that door. I put them yeah, I put them a little bit more forward, I mean if you go back there, I don't hear anything.

A

Yeah I mean, I think my my sense is that it's yeah it's a lot of stuff. I just.

C

Want to ask so how is the camera system is it working.

G

Yeah, the chemistry is working now and it has been working, so it's been working the whole time, yeah and um food wise, we're actually making 70 on food and 30 on liquor because everybody has to buy food. Now you know- and if I mean it's, not a family restaurant, I only let in people that are 21 plus, I don't let in younger people. You know.

A

Yeah, I mean basically to me it sounds like an oh sorry officer. Do you wanna yeah.

F

Maybe maybe you should add this insulation board to the brick too all back wall. I don't think it'd be that costly to just glue it on there. I.

B

I would like to inspect it and see the ul specs first before you add any more to it. Just make sure I know it says it says flame resistant, but I just don't know until I see the specs that it meets code.

F

I would recommend we lay this on the table until the next meeting and see if the situation gets better and we'll contact the resident before the june meeting yeah.

A

That's all I just I want to talk about.

F

C

I would say that I that, in addition to that, I would love to figure out a way to call the establishment what it is. If we name it, a family, restaurant. Fine, if we're changing our guidelines to make it a functional hall or an entertainment hall, then let's you know we can do that if, but we cannot have something to that is perceived as a restaurant and be something else. So I said.

C

So I want to make sure that whatever it's happening there, that you ask permission to run it the way that you guys want to run and we make a decision. But I do I just hate the perception that we think that it's a restaurant, but it's not really a restaurant, because there's this collage there's entertainment et cetera, et cetera. So I want to make sure that, like captain holton said, let's name what it is and we can then, as a board figure out what to do about it.

F

Let me let me ask one more question: what time do you serve food until.

G

12 and after 12, we don't let nobody else in okay.

G

Now, when we, when we apply for the license 2016, we told you, um we told the licensing board what we were going to do exactly what we were going to do so. Yeah.

A

I mean it is a billiard and bar like that's the title.

G

That's exactly what we're going to do upstairs, so I mean, I don't know, are.

B

You using upstairs not really are you using an upstairs space too.

G

B

As a as a function hall.

G

No, we told you guys that we're gonna have it like a billionaire bar upstairs.

B

Okay, so upstairs is about but no bill. You are the billion tables upstairs no.

G

We took them out because they were covered. Okay,.

B

So, what's up it's just uh opening up.

G

Tables we got tables all around, so everybody has to be sitting down.

C

Santiago, you have anything to add.

J

I was assigned to, I was assigned by captain to just uh just doing an inspection.

J

Talked about the door and stuff- and he did you know insulate the door he went out. He did his own research best way to kill the noise. um I was actually there when he had to turn him up. I waited outside you're gonna hit the thump.

J

It is music, I mean I'm close to the building, so his name is we'll probably hear some thumping, but he didn't turn it down enough where you go inside, it might be loud inside, but you really can't hear it at night outside unless you're standing behind the door, but with that he went out research behind some companies he's even talking about I'm getting a soundproof door which is really expensive. I did my own research on it, so if he's willing to do that so again, he's compliant with everything. I've asked him to do.

J

Yeah from the music from checking ids to even wearing a red, shirt and stuff like that. So he's been really helpful with that. um As for the cameras he had to fix some of the cameras downstairs, he fixed the angles. The right way. He actually updated his system, which was really good.

J

um So he's going to comply with everything, but if the board, if the console wants me to come back- and you know I don't know- maybe get some video and some sound video of how much the mucus is playing- I don't know, um but I can always check- I mean the other thing is also too I mean everyone was in the city. You could go check yourselves so.

C

I wish that we can table it for the for the reason of the neighbor who's complaining.

G

C

Inspection service to go and take it or look at what was done and and fire codes and all that stuff. So if it's okay with the board yeah, can we table it and then we can make a decision.

F

J

He got all the stuff done, he did his research and again some of the stuff was fun, and but he has to check with isd most of all check out.

F

Did he fix the camera yeah.

J

He did it all okay, he does it. If I ask him he'll, do it the next day? Okay, so.

C

A

For the continuation, my one last question is it: are there other complaints or is it? Is it the complainants here or have there been other noise complaints about the billiards and.

I

A

Sorry I have to go to the mic. Sorry yeah.

I

We had an issue the other night. I haven't reviewed it yet, but for noise complaints, I think it was only the letter that was brought before.

A

The board: okay, okay, thank.

J

So I was the first half going to last half uh we received. uh Actually one of our officers were going home, stop notice, two males fighting in the middle street and one male attacking the female. They did come from his bar.

G

J

It started it started off at there and then the security did their job and say: hey, you guys can't come in so when they left. So that was the only thing that would happen there that they.

F

G

J

With it, this is people again who are coming from other establishments try to come in, but the security guys will just stop saying nope just leave. I just.

F

Want to make it clear that the door is for exit only for an emergency.

A

Yeah, it's not to be.

F

Open and closing that's.

A

Why he added a sign yeah? Is there anyone else from the public? Oh sorry that I just make sure anyone else wants to speak as well.

F

Okay motion to continue.

A

Second, okay, all in favor. Okay, thank you. We'll continue this at the june meeting, captain.

F

Home, can you give the complainant some contact information, so you can be in touch with her for the next meeting.

F

Great motion to adjourn.

A

All in favor thanks everybody.

A