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From YouTube: Inspiring Generations with Celeste Williams
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City if Chelsea, Guest: Grace McKinnon
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A
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A
A
B
B
B
Country,
it's
a
documented
crisis
in
this
country
and
it's
an
intergenerational
crisis.
You
know.
Throughout
the
20th
century
we've
seen
escalating
levels
of
involvement,
destruction,
impact
on
families
with
substance
abuse
histories.
So
it's
not
likely
to
end
anytime
soon.
So
how
we
respond
really
matters.
We
have
to
start
by
acknowledging
the
situation
within
our
community
and,
like
you
said
earlier,
all
communities
up
and
down
no
matter
religion,
race,
creed,
color,
nationality,
all
are
impacted
in
the
global
challenge.
We
have
with
substance,
abuse
and
mental
health
right.
A
A
Situation
right
now
is
that,
because
I
went
to
school
for
family
and
community
systems,
which
is
the
long
name
for
social
work,
and
when
I
now
I'm
going
to
get
personal
because
it's
something
that
you
know
someone
out
there
can
relate
to
that.
I've
been
going
through
it's
depression
but
clinical
depression.
A
A
few
of
them
would
be
ptsd,
bipolar,
alzheimer's,
dementia
bipolar
disorder
and
we're
going
to
get
into
a
conversation
about
someone
in
history,
a
woman,
because
this
is
woman's
mind.
So
we
want
to
highlight
women,
strong
women,
who
you
wouldn't
think,
had
mental
health
at
all
any
mental
health
issues
and
we're
going
to
go
back
into
the
60s
right.
Now
we're
going
to
go
back
into
history
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
miss
jacqueline
kennedy
and
coretta
scott
king.
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What
did
they
go
through?
What
were
they
diagnosed
with?
And
is
it
because
they
had
money
to
get
treated
for
their
mental
health
illnesses?
It
wasn't
public.
I
mean
it
is
public
now,
but
back
then
it
was
a
big
stigma
on
mental
health
to
say
you
have.
Mental
health
would
mean
that
you
were
shunned
in
your
community.
A
You
lost
your
job,
your
children
would
go
to
school
and
people
would
bully
them
and
pick
on
them,
because
your
parent
is
crazy.
You
know
these
were
the
names
that
they
had
for
mental
illnesses,
just
that
someone
was
just
crazy
yeah.
You
know
it
couldn't
have
been
any
trauma
or
anything
that
they
went
through.
That
caused
these
things
but,
like
I
said,
we're
going
to
get
into
some
history
parts
of
people
who
suffer
from
mental
illness
and
then
we'll
come
up
to
the
time
where
we
are
now
dealing
with
mental
health
and
covet.
B
I
like
that,
you
selected
jacqueline
kenny
kennedy
and
coretta
scott
king,
because
these
ladies
were
emblematic.
They
were
icons
bigger
than
life
globally.
They
presented
an
image
of
what
women
were
supposed
to
be.
It
was
very
idealized,
I'm
a
baby
boomer.
I
was
a
little
kid
in
the
60s
and
the
civil
rights,
I'm
a
civil
rights
baby.
B
You
know
for
black
people,
we
were
training
our
children
to
go
forward
and
fight
for
civil
rights,
putting
them
right
on
the
line
and
the
parents
were
really
committed
to
teaching
children,
how
to
not
only
endure
not
only
to
survive
but
to
thrive
and
aspire
in
their
life
choices,
and
they
would
cite
coretta
scott,
king
and
jacqueline
kennedy,
especially
for
me
as
a
female
to
say:
that's
a
lady
okay.
This
is
how
she
carries
herself
with
all
the
tragedies
and
challenges
you
need
to
use
that
model
on
how
you
will
behave
as
you.
B
B
Okay,
the
challenges
that
jackie
kennedy
faced
and
coretta
scott
king
faced,
they
announced
in
their
later
memoirs
and
the
autobiographies
and
all
the
other
journalists
coming
in
and
investigating
their
lives.
You
know,
jackie
kennedy
had
multiple
issues
with
reproductive
problems.
She
had
stillborn,
she
had
miscarriage,
she
had
the
deaths
of
her
husband
and
her
brother-in-law.
B
She
had
an
absent
father,
I
mean
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on
coretta
scott
king
appeared
to
be
more
socially
able.
She
was
from
the
black
upper
middle
class.
Well-Educated
generations
within
her
family
had
been
college
educated.
She
was
a
pianist
accomplished
in
her
own
right,
but
in
her
marriage
she
assumed
the
role
of
the
helpmate,
as
jackie
kennedy
did
in
her
marriage.
Okay,
the
roles
of
women-
that
was
the
idealized
role.
You
are
a
help,
mate
too
okay
and
that
kind
of
chokes
down
on
people.
B
Sometimes
not
everyone
does
well
in
harness
or
be
in
a
permanent
segment.
So
for
me,
as
a
child
of
the
50s
and
the
60s,
I
found
that
model
hard
to
take.
I
was
technically
doing
the
right
things.
I
was
a
nice
little
colored
girl,
well-spoken,
well-mannered,
quiet
credit
would
have
been
proud
of
me,
but
in
my
own
head
in
my
own
heart
there
were
challenges
yeah,
you
know,
so
the
roles
that
people
assign
us
are
probably
meant
to
help
us
and
figure
out
how
to
fit
into
society.
B
I
was
a
bookworm
I
read
and
researched
and
tried
all
kinds
of
techniques
and
self-help
books
and
therapies.
I
was
trained
as
a
peer
counselor.
You
know
I
had
lots
and
lots
of
resources
because
the
people
around
me
believed
in
me,
but
if
you
don't
have
people
who
believe
in
you,
you
need
to
believe
in
yourself.
A
B
Got
no,
it
was
very
clear
in
the
60s
that
number
one.
It
was
a
rare
thing
to
acknowledge
mental
health
issues
and
then,
when
you
went
to
get
services
the
services
were
very
spotty
and
very
stratified.
If
you
had
money,
you
can
get
anything.
If
you
don't
have
money,
the
services
were
poor
quality,
state
institutions
and
the
streets
yeah,
okay,
so
most
definitely
jackie's
life
was
challenged,
but
she
had
the
advantage
of
being
able
to
get
better
quality
care
than
most
citizens
and.
A
B
Yeah
and
you
can
go
forward
in
history
if
you're
looking
for
big
female
icons-
princess
diana-
yes,
you
know
for
another
generation
that
would
be
their
reference.
Yes,
every
generation
has
its
own
context.
You
know
if
you're,
a
millennium,
the
the
generational
trauma,
might
be
the
bombing
of
the
world
trade
center
right.
Okay,
right
right
in
this
generation
covet,
yes,
okay,
yes,
and
one
of
the
points
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
it's
incumbent
upon
each
generation
to
teach
the
next
how
to
survive.
B
What
are
their
techniques?
What
are
the
resources?
What
is
the
messaging
that
needs
to
have
happened
so
that
you
too,
in
the
current
generation,
can
know
that
you
can
survive
this
too
shall
pass
and
that
how
we
survive
and
how
we
thrive
is
by
each
one
teach
one
to
borrow
a
phrase
from
the
70s
okay.
So
each.
A
B
In
families
there's
a
lot
of
theories
about
it,
I
mean
I,
I
think
the
simple
common
sense
answer
is:
how
could
I
be
in
a
family
where
there's
stress
and
dysfunction
and
all
kinds
of
things
going
on
and
not
see
it
and
not
be
impacted
by
it?
How
could
I,
how
could
I
not
use
it
as
a
follow
this
path
or
don't
follow
this
path?
You
know
so
for
me,
that's
the
simple
answer.
It's
a
decision
we
have
to
make
as
we
decide
how
to
build
our
own
futures.
B
Well,
you
may
not
recognize
crazy
as
crazy
when
you're
young,
if
you've
always
grown
up
with
it.
It's
just
the
way
of
the
people
around
you.
You
know
it's
just
the
way
you
are
and
it's
you
need
to
have
it
brought
to
your
attention.
Sometimes
it
it's
distance.
That
brings
it
to
your
attention.
Okay,
you
you
move
away
from
the
family
or
you
age,
up
and
you're
on
your
own,
and
you
stop
and
reflect
and
whoa
that
was
kind
of
wild
strange.
B
But
even
if
we
recognize
our
situations
as
being
a
little
off
the
beaten
path,
we
don't
necessarily
see
it
as
so
deficient
that
it
needs
professional
care.
Okay.
So
that's
why
I
think
talking
helps
yeah.
The
community
needs
to
announce
these
issues
and
talk
about
them
openly.
Instead
of
hiding
behind
closed
doors
right.
A
A
A
A
Yeah
you're,
stupid,
you're
stupid.
It's
a
job
right
women.
We
have
a
heavy
job,
so
you
dream
of
those
things
and
then
they
don't
work
out
that
can
be
traumatizing
in
itself,
because
we
have
this
picket
fence.
We
have
this
image
image
of
what
a
family
should
look
like
that
can
be
damaging
in
itself,
because
now
you
have
to
get
your
mindset
ready
to
say
I'm
going
to
be
a
single
parent.
A
Whoever
heard
of
that
that's
the
way
I
was
thinking,
that's
not
possible.
The
women
that
I
see
in
my
family,
the
women
that
are
raising
me,
are
not
single.
They
had
husbands,
some
of
them
their
husbands,
abused
them
and
they
didn't
leave
them.
These
were
the
images
of
some
women
I
had
you
know
there
was
a
woman
in
my
family,
one
of
my
uncles,
I'm
not
gonna,
say
his
name.
A
B
Well,
there
are
heavy
consequences
to
prolonged
exposure
to
abuse.
In
that
story
we
have
the
innocence
of
a
child
recognizing
a
dangerous
situation.
We
have
the
denial
of
adults
in
the
situation,
justifying
it
by
idealized
references
to
love,
marriage
duty
whatever,
and
then
you
have
the
habitual
reinforcement
of
a
man,
who's
been
taught
to
hyper
masculinize
yeah.
You
know
and.
A
Thinking
that
this
is
normal,
I'm
gonna
let
some
guy
abuse
me
and
I'm
gonna
go
back
tomorrow,
and
I
did
I
did,
but
that's
where
my
mental
health
started.
That's
where
the
depression
started.
You
know
I
wouldn't
want
to
talk
to
anybody
about
it
about
the
abuse
so
that
set
in.
For
me,
I'm
not
gonna.
Do
anything
yeah,
I'm
not
gonna,
be
social
because
to
be
social,
your
friends
are
not
knowing,
and
then
you
can't
talk
about
it,
like
I
said,
coming
up
in
the
60s
with
stigmatizement
as
well.
A
B
Well,
it's
very
brave
for
you
to
share
your
story.
Unfortunately,
that
story
is
a
common
thread
that
goes
throughout
the
history
of
women
because
of
women's
place
at
the
center
of
the
family,
being
responsible
for
procreation
being
responsible
for
child
rearing
being
responsible
for
the
care
of
the
elders.
B
It's
it's
burdensome
and
challenging
to
complain
because,
on
the
one
hand,
we're
being
told
it's
an
idealized
role
and,
on
the
other
hand,
we're
having
the
work
that
it
takes
to
get
that
done,
dismissed
and
minimized
right.
So
how
does
a
healthy
ego
balance
all
that
out
right
and
keep
integrity
with
the
self
yeah?
So.
A
A
Yes,
and
to
get
services,
because
I'm
not
a
rich
woman,
so
back
then
to
get
services.
I
could
not
get
any
so
self-medication.
Oh
okay,
what's
my
rope?
There's
the
dragon,
I'm
not
afraid
to
talk
about
it!
That
was
my
road
and
when
self-medication
wasn't
working
anymore,
I
start
seeking
help
and
I
couldn't
get
any
services.
I'm
going
to
say
it
again.
B
And
there's
a
lot
of
that
in
the
mental
health
community,
when
the
industry
realized
that
there's
a
level
of
care,
like
you,
said,
a
transition
that
needs
to
happen
that
can't
be
satisfied
the
same
way
with
a
psychiatrist
right
or
a
psychologist.
They
all
have
their
place
in
the
system
of
care,
but
the
development
of
peer
counseling,
drug
counseling
advocacy
by
people
in
transition.
B
That
is
when
I
came
into
the
story
that
was
my
entry
okay
into
mental
health
issues,
and
that's
how
I
became
a
mental
health
advocate.
I
didn't
have
drug
issues
that
wasn't
my
entry.
It
was
seeing
that
we
need
to
put
more
hands
to
this
work
and
people
who
are
good
listeners
who
can
be
empathetic,
who
can
be
clear
about
helping
others
bound
draw
boundaries.
B
A
Like
you
said
it's
transitioning,
but
now
I
want
to
mimic
now
I
want
to
mimic
my
counselor
okay,
so
I
enroll
at
cambridge
college
and
I
want
to
know
more
about
this
counseling
thing
right,
so
I
take
the
class
to
be
a
social
worker.
Okay.
That
was
my
major
that
was
going
to
be
my
career,
but
at
the
same
time
I
just
finished
nursing
program
and
I'm
helping
elders
with
dementia,
alzheimer's
schizophrenia.
A
I
mean
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on,
and
these
disorders
were
different
from
just
the
clinical
depression
that
I
was
seeing
and
I
used
to
say
to
myself
if
this
is
what
I'm
trying
to
get
over
this
now-
and
this
is
what
I
got
to
look
forward
to
when
I
get
older-
we
don't
want
to
go
back
down
that
road.
Oh
the.
A
A
Learning
how
to
reinvent
myself
to
enter
into
society
again
and
be
a
productive
being
so
that
I
can
help
others,
and
so
that's
my
mission
now
to
be
honest
about
what
I've
gone
through
and
I'm
gonna
keep
that
conversation
going,
because
what
I've
gone
through
and
what
those
women
in
the
past
went
through
to
stay
strong.
There
are
women
still
doing
that
yeah
and
there's
no
stigma
as
strong
as
it
was
back.
Then
today
I
mean
still.
B
People
really
want
to
be
heard
right
and
that's
a
skill
set
that
is
special
and
unique
and
not
it
does
not
require
a
degree
right
if
you
can
offer
a
listening
ear
to
someone
in
distress
right
now,
we're
talking
about
women's
history
month
right,
but
I
don't
think
it's
polarized
men
against
women.
If
you
can
help
that
woman
share
her
story,
okay,
connect
to
the
resources
that
she
needs
to
advance
herself
and
her
life
goals.
B
A
A
A
Okay,
because
I
used
to
have
so
much
issues
with
taking
pictures
and
being
on
camera.
I
had
to
muster
up
the
courage
and
the
way
I
did
that
was
when
I
took
a
class
with
ricky
velez
here
at
cztv,
and
that
was
the
first
time
that
I
graduated
from
anything
in
a
long
time.
So
I
was
so
excited
that
I
learned
about
the
tripod,
the
camera,
how
that
was
working.
They
have
new
ones
since
then,
so
I
might
have
to
take
another
class,
but
it
gave
me
enough
courage
to
do
this.
What
I'm
doing.
B
Well,
I
like
that
you
reference
taking
off
the
mask,
because
we
have
to
unmask
all
of
our
fears
and
issues
around
mental
health.
We
have
to
unmask
the
hidden
history
of
women.
You
know.
We
also
need
to
know
that
one
of
the
reasons
I
wear
this
amulet
for
this
show
is
because
it
passes
from
generation
to
generation.
B
A
So
one
more
experience
that
I've
had
that
frightened
me
really
bad
and
I
I
thought
I
was
gonna,
do
something
bad,
because
there's
a
woman
that
has
tourette's
syndrome.
Oh
yes
and
I
didn't
understand
this,
this
disorder
and
she
was
for
using
profanity
and
she
wanted
to
attack
me
and
I
was
getting
ready
to
throw
hands.
Yes,
I
was
like
who
does
she
think
she
is
saying
all
this
stuff
to
me
uh-huh,
but
it
wasn't
directed
towards
me,
but
I
didn't
realize
it
was.
I.
A
Throwing
hands
right
but
when,
when
it
happened
like
I
wanted
like
I
said,
I
wanted
to
throw
hands,
but
in
that
moment
I
looked,
I
saw
her
and
I
said
I
seen
this
woman
before
I
I
said
I
I
don't
want
to
go
to
jail,
so
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
hit
her
because
I
don't
know
what
it
is
that
what
it
is.
It
could
be
something
who
knows.
I.
A
A
B
A
A
B
B
A
What
people
you
know
that
I
talked
to
about
it
to
heal.
You
know
what
they
said
to
me.
If
you
would
have
hit
her,
she
wouldn't
have
been
a
day
in
jail
because
she
has
mental
health.
Do
you
think
because
of
a
person,
not
just
women,
like
you,
said
overall,
because
they
have
mental
wealth,
you
think
that
gives
them
a
free
pass
to
abuse
people.
B
Another
conversation
yeah:
it
is
possible
to
understand,
I
think,
deep
in
our
souls
as
individuals.
We've
all
had
moments
where
we
could
consider
being
the
aggressor
okay,
so
it's
how
we
discipline
and
train
and
set
boundaries
to
control
ourselves.
That
makes
the
difference
in
this
scenario
back
to
your
original
question.
No,
no
one
has
a
past
to
be
abusive,
but
being
confronted
with
that
abuse
with
their
abuse,
how
we
handle
them
changes.
A
B
B
The
alternative
is
to
leave
them
out
in
the
streets,
okay,
and
that
we
know
doesn't
work
right
and
that's
how,
for
example,
in
chelsea,
that's
how
we
created
a
major
mental
health
agency,
the
people
that
actually
came
from
east
boston
to
chelsea
north
suffolk
was
started
in
response
to
the
de-institutionalization
of
people
who
had
mental
health
issues
and
community
members
said
we
don't
want
our
people
left
out
like
this,
because
those
people
who
are
with
mental
health
challenges
and
acting
out.
They
are
family
too.
A
That's
right
and
that's
right
and
that's
what
my
training
at
school
kicked
in
and
said
it's
going
to
take
the
people
that
are
well
in
the
community
mm-hmm
to
hold
up
the
ones
that
are
not
well
to
support
yeah
for
support,
and
I
am
loving
this
topic
and
we
are
pressed
for
time.
Okay,
I
love
having
you
here,
miss
grace
you,
you
bring
the
knowledge,
you
also
bring
the
strength,
and
we
know
that
many
women
look
up
to
you
and
adore
you
and
we're
going
to
always
love
you
up.
Well.
Thank
you.
B
A
A
If
you
are
feeling
any
type
of
disorder
or
illness,
I
mean,
like
I
said:
I've
gone
through.
You
know
such
things
in
my
life,
if
you
can
relate,
you
know,
take
that
self-inventory!
Look
inside
yourself!
Try
to
you
know
see
if
there's
something
off
about
your
own
self.
You
have
a
doctor.
Talk
to
your
doctor.
A
B
A
Remember
in
2022
we're
still
trying
to
take
off
that
mask
and
for
some
of
us
it's
it's
a
missile
thing
and
we're
going
to
get
through.
I've
got
mine
right
here
and
I
got
mine
right
here,
but
I
was
scared
to
take
it
off.
Like
I
said,
but
here
it
is
again
my
face
and
I'll
see
you
next
time
on
inspiring
generations.