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A
A
A
C
A
Okay,
please
remember
to
turn
off
your
cell
phone,
so
they
did
not
become
a
distraction
during
the
meeting.
Please
also
refrain
from
having
conversations
in
this
room,
so
we
might
hear
all
the
testimony
given
today
to
ensure
a
complete
record
of
this
board's
actions.
We
ask
that
each
individual
wishing
to
speak,
including
the
applicant
speaking
to
the
microphone
at
the
podium
in
front
of
us,
clearly
state
your
name
and
spell
your
last
name
for
the
clerk
now
I'll.
E
A
Thank
you.
Everyone,
agendas
of
today's
meeting
are
on
the
podium
to
your
left
near
the
entry
door.
Also
on
this
podium
are
a
roster
of
the
community
development
board,
melissa
city
staff
experts
and
their
resumes,
the
board's
rules
of
procedure
and
the
annual
schedule
of
this
board.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
to
review
and
approve
the
minutes
from
last
month's
meeting.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
yeah,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
figure
out
who's
who
set
up
behind
the
mask,
but
we'll
work
through
that
today.
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is
citizens
to
be
heard.
Is
anybody
here
today
to
speak
on
a
matter
that
is
not
on
today's
agenda.
A
Nice,
there
being
none
we'll
continue
on
with
our
regular
agenda
for
the
meeting.
This
board
has
adopted
a
consent,
agenda
format
and
consent.
Items
are
identified
as
such
on
the
agenda
consent.
Agenda
items
are
those
items
for
which
the
planning
and
development
department
recommends
approval.
The
applicant
is
in
agreement
with
any
proposed
conditions
and
no
written
objections
to
the
case
have
been
received.
To
date.
Items
may
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
today
by
a
member
of
the
board,
a
member
of
the
staff
or
any
person
in
the
audience
for
questions
or
objections.
A
I'll
read
each
item
in
the
consent
agenda
item
and
if
any
person
wishes
to
remove
this
item
from
the
consent
agenda,
please
associate
or
raise
your
hand
and
we
remove
it
from
the
consent
agenda.
Items
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
will
be
heard
in
the
regular
order
of
the
meeting
items
that
remain
in
the
consent
agenda
will
be
approved
with
a
single
vote.
A
Our
consent
agenda
item
today
is
case.
Fld,
2020-05012
and
tdr2020-0-7003
at
400-405-4849-4111,
east
shore
drive
the
owner
is
411
es.
The
applicant
representative
is
john
bodziak
and
also
brian
angst,
and
the
property
is
located
in
the
east
and
west
sides
of
east
shore
drive
and
we're
reviewing
proposed
74
unit
overnight
accommodations
use
and
the
transfer
development
rights.
F
Mr
I
mean
I
have
a
couple
of
questions:
I'm
not
sure
that
they're
substantive
enough
to
remove
from
consent
agenda,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
that
I'd
like
to
ask
and
get
some
clarification
on
and
if
it
deserves
being
removed,
then
we
go
at
that
point,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
you
want
to
handle
that.
A
I
think
I
think
the
best
way
to
handle
that
would
be
to
technically
remove
it,
but
instead
of
having
the
staff
do
a
full
presentation
on
it,
you
can
ask
your
questions.
They
can
address
those
and
if
we
need
to
go
further
through
the
presentation
we
can
go
from
there,
that
makes
sense.
Is
that
permissible?
Yeah.
G
A
Do
it
that
way,
then
there's
an
election,
you
don't
have
a
rule
addressing
it.
Okay,
since
we
don't
have
a
rule
and
that's
permissible,
then
if
you've
got
a
couple
of
questions
and
we
can
have
the
staff
representative
come
forward,
we
could
address
those
questions
and
if
we
need
to
remove
it
and
have
further
inquiry,
we
could
do
so.
F
First
question
is
related
to
parking.
I
see
that
we've
got
double
loaded
parking,
that's
considered,
valet
parking
and
we
also
have
self
parking,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
handled
through
the
development
agreement,
specifically
how
it's
handled,
but
my
understanding
or
is
that
a
mixed
parking
structure
with
both
south
park
and
valet
parking
is
challenging.
And
how
is
that
handled
in
perpetuity
how's
that
regulated?
H
F
E
One
project:
I'm
not
traffic
engineering
for
the
record
ellen
crandall
this
project
before
you
is
for
the
hotel
only
through
the
hd
and
originally
it's
to
include
a
proposed
marina,
the
docks
weren't
finalized.
So
they
didn't
come
forward
as
part
of
this
project,
but
the
intent
is
to
have
also
a
marina
facility.
E
The
hotel
is
allowed
and
able
to
request
and
have
valet
parking,
which
can
be
the
double
stacked.
The
marina
is
not,
and
so
that's
why
they
have
this.
This
kind
of
overall
site
plan
addresses
the
parking
for
both
uses,
even
though
the
proposal
and
the
details
today
are
for
the
hotel
only,
which
is
why
it
has
the
mix
of
the
parking.
A
F
Condition
approval
is
it
and
is
it
part
of
the
development
agreement
as
well,
which
we
don't
review
or
I'm
just
curious,
because
I've
never
seen
a
mixed.
I've
never
seen
it
mixed.
It's
always
been
one
or
the
other,
and
and
this
one
is
distinctly
mixed
and
also
requiring
a
lot
of
use
of
double
stack,
which
means
there's
no
going
back,
essentially,
half
your
parking.
If,
for
some
reason
it's
not
valet
park.
E
E
I
F
A
I
think
so
as
well.
I
think
that
especially
we're
going
to
have
a
condition
that
makes
more
sense
that
respect
okay.
So
then
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
go
through
the
procedures
for
the
quasi-judicial
hearings,
because
there
are
no
items
that
aren't
up
for
consent
today
and
and
then
we'll
proceed
with
this
case
and
again
staff.
The
presentation
can
be
fairly
short
because
now
they're
getting
to
the
heart
of
these
few
questions.
So
all
level
two
cases,
such
as
flexible
development,
are
considered
quasi-judicial
hearings
and
acquisitions.
A
Additional
hearing,
the
community
development
board
reviews
the
application,
the
staff
report
correspondence
and
evidence
presented
today
and
makes
the
final
decision
subject
to
appeal.
This
board
has
previously
qualified
all
the
city
staff
who
will
testify
as
experts
in
the
area
of
professional
training,
education
and
expertise
experience
the
list
of
the
staff
experts
on
their
resumes
are
in
the
handbook
on
the
podium
near
the
entry
door.
Any
other
professionals
who
desire
to
be
qualified
as
an
expert
witness
shall
so
request
at
the
beginning
of
the
case
and
present
a
resume
to
each
board
member.
A
The
board
shall
determine
whether
or
not
to
qualify
the
person
as
an
expert
and
what
field
of
study
at
the
beginning
of
each
level
two
case
I'll
ask
for
anyone
who
wishes
to
request
party
status
to
come
forward
and
state
your
reasons
party
status
may
be
granted
if
the
person
requesting
such
status
demonstrates
that
he
is
substantially
affected
person.
The
board
will
then
determine
whether
or
not
to
grant
party
status.
A
I've
already
read
into
the
record
the
description
of
today's
only
level
two
case.
I
don't
believe
I
need
to
read
that
again.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
present:
is
it
okay
to
skip
the
presentation,
since
we
have
some
requests
for
party
status?
Just
does
anybody
in
the
room
want
to
request
party
status
in
this
matter?
A
H
A
Motion
made
a
second
second
motion
made
in
second
in
a
discussion
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye.
All
opposed
motion
cares.
Okay,
mr
nuremberg's
concerned
an
expert
in
the
matters
and
back
to
the
discussion
we
left
off
we're
suggesting
it
might
be
worthwhile
to
have
a
condition
of
approval.
Clearly
addressing
the
parking
question.
F
Yeah
and
I'm
not
sure
what
that
condition
would
be
at
this
moment,
but
it's
I
guess
specifically
that
it
is
clear
that
you
know
that
the
valley
parking
remains
in
perpetuity
as
a
condition
of
approval
for
all
valet
parking
spaces.
H
H
F
D
A
F
Okay,
okay
for
my
second
question,
second
question
is
related
to
city's
position
on
lockout
units
and
are
they
allowed
and
if
they
are
allowed,
are
they
considered
part
of
the
primary
unit
secondary
to
it
or
are
they
considered
their
own
units.
F
Yeah
units
that
can
be
identified
and
isolated
as
their
own
units
self
supported
stand
on
their
own.
The
configuration
of
I
think
I
counted
44
units
appear
to
be
lockout
units
which
would
potentially
bring
the
hotel
units
to
74
plus
44,
which
I
know
we
don't
have
parking
for
and
just
curious.
If
the
conversations
come
up,
if
it
is
something
that's
reviewed
at
zoning
level,
and
it.
H
Has
not
come
up
at
all
throughout
the
review
process
from
hda
to
current.
It
was
just
that
the
request
is
for
74
units
and
that's
the
amount
of
units
that
they
will
be
approved
of
based
on
the
hda,
where
they
got
eight
units
and
the
11
units
from
the
tdr,
as
well
as
the
55
they
are
approved,
so
any
type
of
additional
units
would
kind
of
put
them
in
violation
of
what
their
development
approval
if
it
gets
approved.
H
Therefore,
they
would
be
subject
to
whatever
needs
to
be
done
for
them
to
make
sure
that
they
are
only
maintaining
74
units
as
well
as
approved
by
the
community
development
board.
But
there's
been
no
discussion
about
creating
any
type
of
other
type
of
configuration
of
rooms
themselves,
other
than
74
individual
hotel
accommodation
units.
F
Okay,
I
mean
I
just
I
don't
know
so
I
bring
the
question
up,
because
the
plans
definitely
appear
as
though
they
would
have.
They
have
the
ability,
with
a
central
interior,
locking
door
between
units
and
the
ability
to
isolate
one
bedroom,
one
bath
units
as
individual
hotel
rooms.
H
I
think,
from
staff's
perspective
that
we're
looking
at
the
requests,
I
understand
the
plans
look
one
way.
The
request
is
one
way
we
look
at
what
they're
exactly
asking
us
for
they're,
saying
the
city
based
on
the
hda
tdrs.
They
won
74
dueling
units
they
allowed
55
outright.
They
went
through
a
process
to
gain
the
additional
units
to
get
to
74
and
that's
how
I
reviewed
it
based
on
the
belief
that
they
are
requesting
74.
F
So
with
I
mean
I
don't
know
that
I'm
in
a
position
to
propose
a
solution
for
that,
but
I
don't
know
what
we
do
with
it.
But
when
I
look
at
it
it
definitely
appears
that
way,
and
I
don't
know
that,
there's
a
mechanism
to
regulate
that
at
a
later
date
and
considering
the
parking
concerns.
It's
just
a
legitimate
concern
on
my
part.
H
C
Has
a
follow-up
question
to
that?
I
just
want
to
clarify
your
question.
I
think
it's
a
great
question,
you're
saying
if
you
have
a
a
unit
one
unit
and
have
the
door
in
the
middle
that
you
can
lock,
and
so
you
could
essentially
rent
it
out
as
two
units
does
each
side
have
a
shower
and
everything
in
it.
E
C
A
Okay,
so
it
does
sound
like
a
really
good
question
and
I
guess
someone
could
also
direct
to
the
applicant
and
see
if
they
can
explain
what
their
process
would
be
for
registration
and
limitation
on
the
use
of
the
rooms
in
that
regard.
Is
there
someone
here
from
the
afternoon
prepared
to
answer
or
address
that
question.
B
Mr
chair
brian
625
court
street
mcfarlane
ferguson
mcmullen
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
411
eslc.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
address
these
questions.
First,
this
is
subject
to
a
development
agreement.
The
development
agreement
was
unanimously
approved
by
the
city
council
last
year
in
2019
and
was
unanimously
amended
in
october
to
extend
the
time
to
get
the
site
plan
approval.
We
would
have
hoped
to
have
been
here
before
you
a
few
months
ago,
but
obviously
with
the
pandemic
and
things
going
on
it's
a
few
extra
months
to
get
here.
B
So
we
appreciate
the
staff
working
with
us
on
that
and
the
opportunity
from
the
council
to
keep
this
project
moving
forward
in
terms
of
the
the
quote-unquote
lockout
units.
The
total
density
allowed
is
74
units.
If
they
were
to
exceed
that
they
they
can't
they're,
they
would
get
their
co
pulled
and
they
would
they
would
have
their
development
agreement
terminated
by
the
city.
So
there
is
no
legal
right
or
way
for
them
to
do
that.
B
That's
my
understanding
that
it's
the
intent
for
this
to
be
operated
by
a
flag
or
some
type
of
professional
hotelier.
So
I
I
would
think
that
the
risk
of
them
risking
their
financing,
risking
all
the
things
that
you
have
to
do,
to
construct
a
hotel
on
the
beach
to
to
try
to
get
around
the
density.
I
just
don't
see
that
as
a
viable
concern
other
than
the
fact
that
it's
subject
to
the
development
agreement.
B
So
if
it
did
happen,
if
it
did
happen,
the
city
would
be
able
to
terminate
that
and
shut
the
business
down
and
actually
take
away
eight
of
the
eight
of
the
74
units
based
on
the
density
reserve.
So
you
do
have
the
ultimate
protection
contractually
against
that
from
happening.
So
it's
not
just
left
up
to
code
enforcement.
It
literally
could
be
something
where
the
city
manager
and
the
city
council
terminate
the
development
agreement,
and
I
think
the
city
manager
will
be
entitled
to
pull
the
co
without
even
going
through
the
code
enforcement
process.
J
F
Okay,
I
guess
the
question
I
would
have
is:
would
it
be
unreasonable,
as
a
condition
of
approval,
to
remove
the
door
that
separates
from
the
interior
of
the
one
unit,
what
I
would
call
the
lockout
unit
to
the
main
unit?
Let
me
ask.
A
F
Be
that
the
communicate
the
there
would
be
a
communicating
door
within
the
unit
to
there
cannot
be
a
door
that
can
lock
that
separates
one
bedroom
and
bath
from
the
main
unit.
Probably
can
say
that
a
lot
more
elegantly,
if
I
think
about
it,
but
essentially
I'm
trying
to
ensure
that
the
no
door
can
be
installed.
That
creates
a
separate
lockout
unit.
F
It
has
a
mechanism
by
which
it
can
enter
into
a
secured,
so
there's
a
doorway
from
the
hall
that
leads
into
a
hallway
and
then
there's
a
lock
or
there's
the
potential
for
a
locked
door
into
both
the
bedroom
and
the
main
unit,
the
bedroom
and
bathroom.
So,
essentially,
you
could
enter
in
through
one
door
and
have
you
know,
unit
74a
and
unit
74b
with
an
interior
potential
for
locking
them
separately
from
each
other.
So
the
door
would
be
the
one
that
so
once
you
enter
off
the
hallway
you're
in
the
unit.
A
So
does
that
I
think
that
way
you
described
it
that
there
would
be
no
door
installed
to
create
a
separate
lockout
unit.
As
between
the
units,
I
think
that
to
me
is
clear
enough
from
the
standpoint
of
adding
a
condition
for
approval,
if
we're
good
with
that.
Okay,
good
point.
A
Questions
all
right.
Does
anybody
have
any
other
questions
of
either
staff
or
the
applicant?
I
know
we're
not
doing
any
normal
order
of
things,
but
there
being
nobody
with
party
status
and
the
way
this
one
started.
I
think
that
we're
probably
good
to
go
from
there
unless
there's
any
other
public
discussion,
any
any
comments
from
the
public
on
this
matter
there
being
none,
then
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
public
comment
on
it
and
either
deliberate
as
a
board
or
consider
a
motion.
F
So
I
moved
to
approve
case
number
one
based
on
the
evidence
and
testimony
presented
in
the
application,
the
staff
reporting
at
today's
hearing
and
hereby
adopt
the
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
state
in
the
staff
report,
with
the
conditions
approval
as
listed,
and
the
additional
two
conditions
of
the
valet
parking
will
remain
in
perpetuity
for
all
for
all
of
the
double
loaded
parking
spaces
and
condition.
Two
would
be
that
no
no
door
can
be
installed
within
the
unit
that
creates
a
lockout
additional
lockout
unit.
B
A
Motion
made
and
seconded
do
we
have
any
further
discussion
on
this
there
being
none
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
say:
aye
aye,
all
opposed
emotion,
carries
unanimously
with
the
conditions
of
approval,
as
amended
all
right
that
takes
care
of
that
item
on
our
agenda.
Thank
you
all.
Next
we
have
our
director's
items,
which
is
the
draft
of
the
fort
harrison
avenue.
Complete
street
concept
plan
leave
miss
mattsky
present
to
us.
K
Just
a
second
good
afternoon,
lauren
naske
planning
and
development.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
y'all
today.
I
know
that
on
the
long
range
side
we
don't
get
to
y'all
as
often
but
her
previous
requests.
We
do
try
to
bring
some
of
these
larger
projects
to
you
for
discussion
and
preview
prior
to
going
to
city
council.
K
K
First
I'll
give
a
quick
reminder
of
what
complete
streets
are
and
then
recap
what
we've
done
in
terms
of
finalizing
the
concepts
and
I
will
walk
through
each
of
the
segments
with
you.
There's
a
lot
of
detail
I'll
try
to
go
quickly,
but
also
still
cover
things,
and
you
can
just
stop
me
if
you
need
to.
K
So
I
added
this
quote
because
we
used
it
when
we
were
presenting
the
complete
streets
implementation
plan
a
couple
years
ago
now
for
city
council
approval,
I
think
it's
particularly
applicable
to
the
fort
harrison
corridor
because
it
traverses
you
know
the
morton
plant
hospital
campus.
It
goes
through
downtown
and
the
old
clearwater
bay
neighborhoods,
and
then
it's
also
adjacent
to
our
lake
bellevue
and
north
greenwood
neighborhoods
complete
streets
are
about
providing
safe
and
comfortable
travel
options
to
people
of
all
ages
and
abilities.
K
I
think
there's
a
misconception
that
when
you
say
it's
a
complete
street,
it
means
that
it
has
to
serve
every
mode
of
travel
in
every
single
street.
But,
just
like
we
don't
prioritize
freight
travel
on
every
single
road,
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
prioritize
spaces
for
people
riding
bikes.
That
being
said,
our
streets
should
be
safe
for
everyone,
no
matter
how
they
choose
to
travel.
K
K
Before
I
dig
into
the
plan,
I
wanted
to
explain
a
little
bit
of
the
differences
between
demonstration
projects
and
permanent
installations.
More
commonly
demonstration
projects
are
being
used
because
they
allow
cities
to
use
less
expensive
materials,
such
as
paint
flex
posts
and
sometimes
even
just
traffic
cones
to
quickly
install
designs.
It
also
allows
the
cities
to
test
how
the
proposed
modification
works
and
if
it's
not
working,
if
it's
not
an
improvement
after
all,
then
you
haven't
gone
through
the
expense
of
engineering,
design
and
construction
before
you
found
that
out.
K
This
particular
slide
shows
an
illustration
of
both
a
demonstration,
refuge
island
and
a
permanent
installation
which
we're
probably
familiar
with
refuge.
Islands
are
areas
that
provide
a
place
for
a
person
crossing
the
street
to
wait
safely
and
look
both
ways
before
crossing
that
second
lane
of
travel,
so
it
reduces
that
distance
significantly
for
them.
I
point
that
out,
because
that's
one
of
the
things
that
are
proposed
in
almost
all
of
the
segments
and
then
quickly.
This
is
a
second
variation
of
a
demonstration
project
in
a
permanent
installation,
intersection
bulb
outs.
K
K
This
map
shows
the
limits
of
the
study
area,
which
is
from
bel
air
road
at
the
south,
end
to
north
myrtle
avenue
and
alt
19
at
the
northern
end.
In
total,
the
corridor
is
about
3.2
miles
that
was
studied
briefly.
There
were
several
other
plans
that
have
been
completed
in
the
last
several
years
for
roads
that
either
cross
or
impact
fort
harrison
hdr,
which
was
our
consultant
for
the
project,
did
not
evaluate
any
of
those
specific
plans,
but
I
did
want
to
highlight
the
main
ones,
because
you
know
they're
right
within
the
project
area.
K
This
one
in
particular,
is
a
part
of
an
fdrt
study
for
alt-19.
It
went
the
direct
the
the
length
of
it
much
further
south,
but
in
this
particular
space.
This
is
that
where,
where
fort
harrison
turns-
and
you
have
to
sit
at
the
light
at
fairmont
and
they're,
proposing
a
roundabout
there,
improved
operations
at
this
signal
would
allow
the
corridor
it
would
reduce
any
potential
delays
later
on
through
any
of
the
other
projects
proposed.
K
Additionally,
many
of
you
might
be
familiar
with
the
north
marina
area
master
plan.
This
also
preceded
our
complete
streets
work,
but
it
includes
some
design
concepts
for
the
area
of
fort
harrison
in
and
around
the
seminole
boat
ramp,
so
it
incorporated
in
some
of
the
complete
streets
ideals
such
as
wider
sidewalks,
to
support
the
businesses
and
on
street
parking,
and
last
more
recently,
we
did
the
complete
drew
street
project
this.
This
one
mostly
just
crosses
fort
harrison.
This
is
the
the
city
segment,
which
is,
if
you're
looking
at
it.
K
K
As
part
of
this
project,
we
convened
a
visioning
team,
a
project
visioning
team.
That
was
a
part
that
was
made
up
of
business
owners
residents,
representatives
from
our
institutions,
local
agencies
and
city
staff.
This
allowed
us
to
have
discussions
with
both
the
technical
staff
and
those
otherwise
affected,
so
we
all
learned
from
each
other.
While
we
were
discussing
those
changes,
we
walked
the
corridor.
K
We
took
the
jolly
trolley
and
hopped
off
at
numerous
places
along
the
corridor
during
our
first
meeting,
which
allowed
us
all
to
experience
the
corridor
first
hand,
and
then
we
got
back
together
and
discussed
some
ideas,
those
led
to
some
of
our
goals,
and
then
the
committee
reviewed
all
of
our
proposed
concepts
and
last
as
part
of
our
engagement,
but
not
last,
I
guess,
but
also
part
of
our
engagement.
We,
instead
of
doing
a
full
public
workshop,
although
I
realize
it
says
public
workshop,
we
set
up
a
booth
at
blast
friday.
K
This
at
our
booth,
we
were
able
to
speak
with
a
wide
variety
of
attendees
increase
awareness
of
the
project
and
then
also
encourage
them
to
answer
our
online
survey,
which
was
going
on
at
the
time-
and
this
is
a
word
cloud-
we
had
an
interactive
thing
where
they
could
text
a
word
that
described
their
future
vision
and
the
more
time
someone
said
it,
the
larger
the
font
got
so
it
added
that
interactiveness
to
it.
K
Then
we
had
the
public
input
survey
and
we
used
metroquist,
which
we've
used
in
the
past
for
drew
street.
This
allowed
us
to
gather
more
information
regarding
what
people
thought
about
the
corridor
and
maybe
what
trade-offs
they
might
be
willing
to
make,
and
that's
what's
reflected
generally
in
the
image
on
the
right.
K
K
This
is
the
southern
segment
which
was
further
divided
out
into
two,
because
the
character
kind
of
changes
a
little
bit
half
about
halfway
through
this
is
from
bellaire
road
to
bellevue
boulevard
in
this
area.
There's
four
lanes,
it's
undivided,
so
there's
no
left
turn
lane
for
cars
to
use
to
get
out
of
the
way
I'll
provide
a
variety
of
images
for
each
segment,
which
were
all,
of
course,
in
your
report.
K
The
icons
that
you
see
here
are
used
to
signify
the
type
of
design
strategy.
That's
used
in
a
specific
specific
location,
for
example,
this
symbol
that
circle
there
shows
where
refuge
islands
are
proposed
in
this
instance
at
wildwood
way,
just
south
of
bel
and
just
south
of
bel
air
road
and
then
as
another
example.
The
little
paint
brush
is
used
to
show
where
a
painted
intersection
intersection
could
be
used
as
part
of
place,
making
and
identity.
K
So
this
this
shows
two
different,
the
two
different
section
drawings,
the
existing
situation
and
the
proposed
with
the
road
diet,
hdr
reviewed
or
analyzed
the
ability
to
to
reconfigure
the
existing
travel
lanes
to
go
from
four
lanes
to
three
utilizing
that
third
lane
as
a
as
a
turn
lane
a
left
turn
lane
and
it
also
the
the
proposed
concept.
Also
then
utilizes
some
of
that
extra
space
to
add
landscaped
islands
along
the
east
side
of
the
road
keeping
costs
in
mind.
K
K
Since
this
was
a
road
diet,
there
was
some
additional
traffic
analysis
completed
and
the
the
analysis
showed
that
the
the
level
of
service
would
would
decrease
during
the
peak
hour
only
and
that
would
be
from
a
level
service
c
to
a
level
of
service
d
and
based
on
the
average
daily
traffic
counts
that
was
completed
for
this.
The
peak
hour,
travel
was
between
four
and
five
pm.
So
during
that
one
hour
of
the
day,
you
would
anticipate
some
delay.
K
Since
there
was
a
road
diet
proposed
for
this
particular
segment,
there's
additional
more
detailed
concepts
provided.
So
that's
what's
shown
now
on
your
screen
again.
It'll
convert
the
four-lane
road
to
two
lanes,
and
I
want
to
emphasize
it's
really
intermittent
left
turn
lanes
or
left-turn
lanes
with
intermittent
landscaped
islands,
as
opposed
to
proposing
landscape
islands
through
the
duration
of
it,
with
only
little
little
bits
to
turn
and
that
that
allows
us
to
use
the
islands
to
create
that
friction
and
slow
traffic
a
little
bit.
So
so,
there's
not
as
much
speeding.
K
K
It
serves
the
martin
plant
hospital
campus,
there's
lake
view,
which
is
at
the
southern
portion
or
kind
of
in
the
middle
there.
Between
bellevue
and
chestnut
lake
view
road
which
connects
fort
harrison
to
alt-19,
which
serves
as
kind
of
a
they
call
it
a
bypass
of
downtown,
but
it
does
go
through
downtown.
So
it's
just
an
alternate
way
to
get
to
downtown
when,
as
a
project
team,
we
discussed
that
particular
intersection
a
lot
because
people
don't
really
seem
to
use
the
bypass,
and
that
was
one
of
our
tasks
like.
K
Could
we
somehow
reconfigure
the
lakeview
intersection
or
do
something
to
help
kind
of
get
more
traffic
to
take
that
versus
fort
harrison?
Where
there's
you
know,
tends
to
be
some
back
up
in
and
around
the
court
chestnut
pair,
but
there's
limited
existing
right-of-way,
so
there's
not
enough
right-of-way
to
accommodate
a
solution
like
a
roundabout,
which
was
what
we've
discussed.
K
So
that's
why
you
don't
see
something
further
there,
but
in
the
plan
we
talk
very
briefly
about
you
know
some
wayfinding,
signage
or
other
options
may
still
be
available
to
try
to
try
to
get
traffic
there
in
this
particular
area.
There's
already
three
lanes
of
traffic.
So
if
the
road
diet
doesn't
need
to
continue
up,
there's
a
lot
of
mature
trees,
as
you
know,
especially
in
and
around
the
morton
plant
campus,
so
those
already
create
a
different
environment
than
what
we're
trying
to
deal
with
north
and
south
of
it.
K
K
I
think
the
sections
are
best
to
use
to
illustrate
what
those
changes
are
landscape
islands
again
replacing
in
one
area,
you'll
see
on
the
the
top
picture,
the
existing
there's,
the
three
lanes
plus
in
some
areas,
there's
an
unbuffered,
narrow
bike
lane.
It's
only
about
four
feet.
When
we
were
out
walking,
it
really
doesn't
get
much
use.
People
tend
to
stay
on
the
trail
or
use
the
sidewalks
to
connect
to
the
trail.
K
So
by
by
shifting
around.
What's
between
the
curbs,
you
could
replace
those
narrow,
on-street
bike
lanes
to
add
landscaping,
and
that
would
allow
you
in
this
instance.
You
would
need
to
move
the
curb,
but
you
could
widen
the
sidewalks
that
kind
of
connect
through
and
around
the
trails
and
still
maintain
that
buffer
from
the
travel
lanes.
K
That
was
one
of
the
recommendations
from
the
pvt
that
was
integrated
in
and
then
additionally
there's,
it's
proposed
to
add
two
different
refuge
islands,
like
that
previous
picture,
one
at
lakeview
road
so
directly
on
lakeview
road,
not
on
fort
harrison,
where
the
pinellas
trail
crosses
and
then
also
north
of
pine
street,
there's
an
existing
crossing,
adding
a
refuge
and
then
an
rrfb
one
blinky
lights,
and
that
would
be
at
the
crossing
that's
near
the
museum,
so
there's
the
existing
crossing,
and
that
would
make
that
just
that
much
nicer
for
people
crossing
from
the
museum
to
the
retail
and
restaurants.
K
On
the
other
side,
I'd
like
to
highlight
again,
since
this
is
an
area
where
morton
plant,
obviously
they
have
different
demands
and
users
and
we
have
to
accommodate
ambulances
and
other
things
since
they
participated
as
part
of
the
project
visioning
team.
We
were
very
much
aware
of
any
of
their
concerns
related
to
how
changing
this
continuous
left
turn
lane
into
something
more
intermittent
might
affect
them.
We
would
really
work
with
them
in
terms
of
locating
future
landscape
islands
and
confirming
that
future
refuge
islands
wouldn't
necessarily
conflict.
K
This
is
the
detailed
concept,
because
this
kind
of
finishes
up
that
corridor,
but
this
only
captures
it's
not
for
the
whole
the
whole
segment.
This
captures
just
there
to
the
lakeview
lakeview
road
section,
so
it
shows
where
the
widened
trail
section
would
be
where
it
parallels
fort
harrison
and
then
also
where
that
refuge
island
would
be
on
lakeview
about
halfway
through
the
segments
so
segment.
Two
now
we're
officially
into
two
extends
from
chestnut
street
to
drew
street,
and
this
is
really
in
the
downtown
core
of
our
downtown
planning
area.
K
K
K
The
blinky
lights
installed,
so
just
adding
those,
and
that
would
be
possible
only
if
the
lanes
are
reconfigured
and
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
here
that
I'd
like
to
point
out.
There's
two
alternatives
within
this
plan
that
propose
removing
the
left
turn
lane
in
a
couple
of
sections.
So
this
section
drawing
shows
fort
harrison.
Looking
north
from
cleveland
street
on
the
west
side
is
the
narrow
sidewalk
that
currently
exists.
K
K
The
second
left
turn
lane
elimination
is
shown
in
this
area.
Hdr
proposed
it
to
eliminate
the
northbound
left
turn
lane
at
pierce
street.
This
is
the
area
in
front
of
the
fort
harrison
hotel,
where
currently
deliveries
primarily
take
place
in
that
center
turn
lane
and
the
pedestrian
drop-off
takes
place
more
or
less
on
the
sidewalk.
K
K
The
new
zone
would
allow
for
freight
and
delivery
to
be
moved
to
the
side
instead
of
in
the
middle
of
the
street,
and
it
would
also
then
allow
for
that
sidewalk
to
be
a
full
width.
Sidewalk
again,
the
church
of
scientology
was
also
a
member
of
our
project,
visioning
team,
and
if
you
saw
on
the
plan,
they
provided
some
additional
renderings
of
what
this
could
look
like.
They
were
supportive
of
the
idea.
K
Our
last
segment
is
from
drew
street
to
north
myrtle
avenue.
This
is
as
you're
moving
north
out
of
downtown,
although
the
first
half
of
it
probably
is
within
downtown.
The
portion
between
eldridge
street
and
cedar
street
was
included
within
the
north
marina
area
master
plan.
So
some
of
those
designs
overlap
with
this,
but
aren't
aren't
necessarily
drawn
in
these
concepts
north
of
cedar
street.
The
adjacent
context
changes
primarily
to
single-family
residential
as
it
carries
on
up.
Although
there's
the
brewery
and
a
few
other
businesses
up
there.
Brewery
was
part
of
our
pvt
as
well.
K
The
sidewalks
in
this
area,
they're
in
relatively
poor
condition,
they're
they're,
not
necessarily
too
narrow,
but
our
pvt
members
commented
when
walking
in
this
area
that
there
wasn't
enough
buffer,
and
so
it
really
didn't
make
for
a
comfortable
walk.
And
additionally,
there
was
a
lack
of
shade.
K
So
starting
at
the
southern
end
there
between
drew
and
eldridge
it
there's
there's
not
a
lot.
That
needs
to
be
done,
but
you
could
evaluate
where
adding
some
of
those
intermittent
median
islands
would
be
possible
where
you
know,
there's
a
continuous
left
turnley,
but
it
doesn't
turn
to
anything
so
there's
opportunity
to
repurpose
some
of
that
space.
K
K
And
last
tucked
in
at
the
very
end
of
the
report,
we
always
like
to
include
a
high
level
analysis
of
what
it
could
cost
to
do
this
this
in
particular.
This
report
assumes
limited
changes
to
the
curve
lines,
except
in
those
areas
that
I
pointed
out,
and
it
also
includes
some
milling
and
re-striping
to
accomplish
a
lot
of
what
was
proposed.
K
That
being
said,
the
city
has
planned
a
future
utility
construction
project
along
fort
harrison
avenue
that
will
actually
require
a
full
reconstruction
of
the
majority
of
the
corridor
in
the
span
of
about
four
or
five
years,
so
that
project
would
be
done
in
phases,
and
this
was
a
great
opportunity.
This
shows
that
if
we
have
the
plans
in
place
and
a
city
project
comes
forward
like
a
utility
project
when
they
have
to
rebuild,
we
can
rebuild
how
we
want
it
to
be,
and
that
saves
costs
in
the
long
run.
K
But
again,
many
of
the
many
of
the
things
that
you
saw
here
have
the
ability
to
be
done
in
that
demonstration
or
quick,
build
approach
prior
to
the
larger
reconstruction
project.
So
if,
for
some
reason
that
got
delayed
or
we
didn't
have
budget
for
this,
we
would
like
to
look
for
those
opportunities
to
see
and
test
and
get
things
going.
A
C
Have
did
I
miss
the
roundabout
up
in
the
corner,
but
that's
fine
did
you?
Did
I
see
the
roundabout
on
there?
I.
C
C
B
K
That
was
our
first
foray
into
a
demonstration.
Project,
planning
and
development
worked
with
the
community
up
there
several
years
ago,
now
kind
of
following
the
momentum
from
the
north
marina
area
master
plan.
K
That
plan
called
for
adding
on-street
parking
and
narrowing
the
roads,
and
so
that
was
our
first
opportunity
to
to
reconfigure
a
portion
of
it.
I
think
our
alarm
we'd
hope
to
do
a
larger
stretch,
so
unfortunately,
like
it's
kind
of
limited
where
it
is,
I
don't
remember
obviously
the
exact
data
from
the
time,
but
we
did
use
the
opportunity
to
measure
traffic
counts
and
speeds
before
and
after
the
event-
and
we
did
see
that
speeds
came
down
with
that.
K
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
sustained
as
people
got
more
used
to
it,
but
something
like
that
could
be
done
for
the
whole
stretch,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
more
effective
use.
But
that
was
our
first
attempt.
It
was
a
lot
of
fun
painting
with
everyone
you
may
I
don't
know
if
you
remember,
but
initially
we
had
planter
boxes
out
there
as
well,
and
the
kids
had
painted
the
planter
boxes
at
the
north
greenwood
center
and
we
installed
them
with
the
community
and
it
was.
C
C
Everything
and
all
the
lights
are
off
and
everybody
walks
any
way
they
want,
and
I
didn't
I
was
so
surprised
if
that
wasn't,
if
it
was
considered,
could
they
take
a
look
at
that
one
location
because
there's
right
now,
you
have
this
light
that
light
that
light
that
light
that
light
and
and
scramble
seems
to
work
quite
well.
In
fact,
I
think
I
got
it
from
the
city
of
it
one
of
those
things
they
said
to
me.
K
We
do
have
one
scramble
out
there
and
I'm
trying
to
remember
exactly
where
I
thought
it
was
where
the
trail
crosses,
but
of
course,
I'm
drawing
a
blank
right
now.
So
I
don't
know
they
have
the
diagonal
paint
and
it's
worked
really
well
and
I
believe
that
is
how
it
how
it
functions.
But
I
know
that
true.
C
C
Bellevue
at
where
the
trail
crosses,
where
the
those
kale
trousers
yeah.
J
Great
presentation,
I
really
like
to
study
one
thing
that
came
to
mind:
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
municipalities
do-
and
I
think
pinellas
is
looking
at
doing
this
in
north
pinellas
as
well-
is
not
only
incorporating
landscape
strips
but
incorporating
storm
water
areas
and
rain
gardens
within
those
strips
and
in
a
lot
of
situations.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
where
you
have
on
the
side
where
you
have
a
crown,
so
you
can
make
bulb
outs
and
install
storm
water
planters
and
different
flow
through
planters
that
allow
infiltration
in
florida
friendly
plantings.
K
I
believe
that
they're
doing
something
like
that
as
part
of
the
third
phase
of
the
cleveland
street
project
that'll
be
our
first
area
to
do
a
separated
bike
lane
and
with
more
of
the
rain
garden
techniques.
I
might
be
misspeaking
though,
so
I
don't
think
engineering
is
still
here
to
be
able
to
answer
that,
but
but
yes,
as
part
of
a
more
robust
program,
if,
if
we
had
the
support
and
the
budget,
that
would
be
something
that
would
absolutely
make
sense
but
you'll
in
those
concepts
there
were
like
we
kind
of
maintained
and
separated.
J
Yeah,
but
I
understand
yeah
and
there's
many
situations
with
and
there's
so
many
different
types
of
facilities
that
you
can
actually
do.
Some
retrofits,
where
you
have
flow
through
planters,
so
you're
not
doing
a
lot
of
grade
changes,
but
you
can
still
generate
a
concept
that
still
acts
like
a
rain
garden
allows
infiltration
for
a
lower
expense.
So
you
know
it
seems
like
there's
options
out
there
so
be
great
if
that
could
be
explored.
J
The
other
thing
I
was
wondering
about
is
you
talked
about
striping,
bulb
outs
and
creating
temporary
conditions.
Have
you
have
you
thought
about
maybe
using
some
artists
to
do
something
artistic
in
those
areas
has
that
been
explored?
I've
seen
some
larger
cities.
Do
that
as
well?
Have.
K
You
seen
tampas,
they
just
did
one
so
I
I
we've
not
had
very
specific
conversations
about
that,
but
I
would
imagine
that
would
be
something
that
we
would
consider,
certainly
with
the
partnership
with
our
public
art.
We
just
did
our
first
painted
intersection
in
the
city
over
the
weekend,
so
with
the
the
neighborhoods
program
and
our
place,
making
in
public
aren't
really
really
moving
forward.
That
would
definitely
be
a
good
opportunity
to
go
beyond
polka
dots,
even
though
I
love
polka
dots
right.
J
K
So
as
it
relates
to
the
boat
traffic,
I
know
that
again
so
there's
kind
of
like
this
lays
them
to
a
certain
degree,
but
the
north
marina
area
master
plan
when
we
refine
things
and
go
into
full
construction
drives
we'll
kind
of
merge
those
two
and
when
we
were
doing
the
streetscape
aspects
of
the
north
green
area
master
plan.
We
specifically
left
12
foot
lanes
for
several
blocks
there
to
to
accommodate
the
boat
traffic
and
call
made
sure
that
the
the
left
turn
lane
was
maintained
in
that
particular
at
the
seminal
intersection.
K
F
Any
other
questions
question
on
the:
what
was
the
traffic
analysis
done?
That
supports
reducing
four
lanes
to
sort
of
two
three
lanes
to
two
lanes
on
the
south
section
of
fort
harrison,
because
I'm
just
surprised
with
the
amount
of
traffic
that
goes
through
there,
that
going
down
to
two
lanes
is
really
a
good
long-term
solution.
K
I
did
I
did
not
rent
my
appendix
and
so
the
only
page
that
I
printed
doesn't
have
it,
but
I
think
I
want
to
say
it
was
done
in.
We
were
working
on
the
project
in
january
february.
Time
frame,
I
can
say
that
the
the
average
daily
traffic
in
that
area
is
about
19
000
cars,
which
is
right
in
line
with
the
kind
of
good
candidates
for
a
road
diet.
F
And
then,
and
specifically,
I
want
to
make
sure
it
certainly
didn't
happen
during
codewood,
so
that
would
be
good
and
then
the
other
thing
is
heading
north.
Coming
up
to
the
chestnut
court
street
intersections
is
on
a
regular
basis,
backed
up
you
know
significantly
at
that
location.
I
didn't
see
anything
specific
unless
I
missed
it
trying
to
address
improving
the
flow
through
that
area,
because
everybody's
looking
for
outlets
they're
running
through
the
strip
malls
they're
going
around.
K
So
I
am
not
a
traffic
engineer,
and
I
know
that
signal
timing
is
is
very
difficult
to
finesse.
That
particular
area
is
where
east-west
travel
has
has
the
right-of-way.
So
at
a
certain
point,
there's
there's
just
not
much
you
can
do
unless
you
shifted
the
signals
there.
K
K
I
drive
fort
harrison,
even
though
I
know
I'm
going
to
stop
at
that
same
place
every
time,
because
I
find
it
to
be
a
nicer
drive
than
myrtle
avenue,
mural
avenues,
they're,
very
green
and
leafy,
but
there's
nothing
to
look
at.
So
you
know
a
congestion
problem,
isn't
necessarily
always
a
bad
thing
to
have,
but
I
do
know
like
when
you
start
getting
people
who
get
frustrated.
It
starts
to
create
an
unpleasant
environment
as
well.
K
Really
is
the
the
pinch
point,
but
unless
the
unless
the
city
wants
to
change
their
signalizations,
I
think
that's
really
the
only
you
know
it's.
It's
not
there's
no
ability
to
create
more
lanes
than
that
in
that
particular
area
either.
So,
but
it's
definitely
something
we've
talked
about
like
the
is
there
anything.
F
K
K
They
have
also
created
a
construction
grant
program
and
that
would
be
you
apply
for
up
to
a
million
dollars
five
years
out.
This
would
be
a
project
that
would
likely
be
a
contender
if
we
chose
to
apply
for
that,
but
we
got
that
same
grant
program
funding
for
the
concept
drawings
for
drew
street
that
was
their
first
year
and
then
you
know,
took
a
year
off
and
then
went
back,
and
so
I
think
they've
just
finished
their
approving
cycle
four
or
five.
Now.
F
Is
there
any
discussions
on
you
know
specific
areas
where
they
would
definitely
benefit
the
owners
directly
adjacent
like
private
public
funding,
any
kind
of
joint
partnership
in
that
or
any
private
dollars
being
added
to
it?
Is
that
an
option
or
a
thought.
F
Know
just
in
areas
that
just
in
areas
that
are
you
know
specific
to
that
are
really
really
geared
to
help
specifically
like
in
front
of
like
the
fort
harrison.
For
example,
I
mean
that's
a
terrible
situation
there
and
it's
you
know,
there's
definitely
dollars
involved
in
that
and
improving
that
it,
but
it
really
benefits
fort
harrison
hotel.
More
than
anything
I
mean,
is
there
any
opportunity
for
private
participation
in
the
funding
sources.
K
I
Perhaps
on
the
back
of
other
city
utility
projects
so
that
we
can
have
funding
for.
I
F
C
Mike
okay,
three
more
comments:
yeah,
it
was
a
good
report
by
the
way.
Thank
you.
One
of
them
has
to
do
with
trying
to
drive
down
there.
How
often
you
have
two
lanes,
four
lanes
where
you
can
actually
cast
somebody,
because,
as
it
is
right
now,
if
you
come
down
older
than
19
and
stay
along
at
the
fort
harrison
route,
you
follow
somebody
that
goes
23
and
4
and
a
half
miles
an
hour
with
a
somehow
out
of
state
tag.
C
All
the
way
down
from
tarpon
springs
to
largo,
and
there
there
is
there.
I
can
remember
going
north
as
a
place
to
pass,
but
south
they
just
hold
you
up
forever.
At
least
that
is
there.
Can
they
see
if
there's
a
place
available
where
you
can
have
four
lanes
where
you
can
go
around
the
person?
That's
going
real
slow
by
the
way
that
you've
been
down
for
25
minutes
on
that
road.
Any
that's
just
a
thought.
K
Well,
I
imagine
you've
experienced
where
someone
has
illegally
used.
The
continuous
left
turn
lane
to
pass
cars
and
that's
a
little
terrifying.
It
happened
to
me
just
a
few
weeks
ago,
so.
K
Much
of
this
has
right-of-way
with
that
would
not
support.
You
know
a
third
travel
lane.
You
know,
in
addition
to
the
the
continuous
turn
lane.
So
that's
why
we're
looking
at
really?
How
can
you
repurpose
this
turtleneck
that
you
know,
especially
through
downtown,
turns
to
nothing
because
there's
no
curb
cuts,
which
is
exactly
what
we
want
in
downtown,
but
I
do
understand
your
point.
K
C
The
my
second
thought
is
that
the
has
the
traffic
study
should
have
been
a
dual
one,
with
myrtle
and
fort
harrison.
At
the
same
time,
maybe
it
was
maybe
it
wasn't,
but
right
now,
as
you
there's
two
reasons
to
take
fort
harrison,
this
is
prettier,
but
also
that's
miserable.
C
The
lights
on
myrtle
are
real
bad,
so
we
know
the
special
shortcut
and
we
go
around
through
that
little
neighborhood
and
we
cut
across
here
instead
of
wait,
10
minutes
at
that
light
that
never
changes,
because
it's
all
priority
for
fort
harrison
and
I
would
think
a
traffic
study
should
be
both
the
parallel
roads,
alter
the
19,
myrtle
and
fort
harrison
combined,
because
otherwise,
why
is
this
happening?
It's
like
a
mirror.
It's
a
has,
no
connection,
and
they
are
connected.
C
People
choose
one
or
the
other
because
of
how
hard
how
long
it
takes
to
drive
on
hurdles
versus
just
sitting
there
and
plugging
up,
especially
through
the
scientology
and
then
the
public's
area.
So
anyway,
I
thought
I'd
throw
that
in
to
make
sure
that
the
hdr
has
looked
at
them
in
parallel
what
they
can
do
to
make
myrtle
faster
to
take
some
load
off
of
maybe
the
house.
Maybe
I
just
didn't
see
that.
K
Well
so
a
portion
of
myrtle
is
is
city
and
then
the
rest
of
it
turns
into
alt-19
and
of
course,
the
state
studied
that
in
detail
as
part
of
their
alt-19
study-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
will
scare
you
or
not,
but
in
terms
of
the
alt-19
portion
they
were
looking
at
additional
traffic
calming
and
other
things.
So,
while
hdr
scope
was
really
limited,
just
to
analyzing
that
very
southern
section
where
a
road
diet
was
proposed,
there
was
certainly
knowledge
of
some
of
these
other
changes.
K
Additionally,
I
know
fdot
has
requested
forward
pedellus
the
the
transportation
agency
to
start
working
with
the
local
communities
to
evaluate
or
dig
more
into
their
proposed
concepts
for
alt-19.
So
I
imagine
these
conversations
will
be
going
on
concurrently
because
you're
correct
it's
not
it's
not
appropriate
and
it's
difficult
to
talk
about
one
and
to
only
consider
one
without
looking
at
the
other.
You
know
good
transportation
planning
evaluates
it
as
a
network.
It
really
is
a
network,
so
it's
not
a
goal
to
shift.
K
You
know
solely
or
displace
all
of
that,
but
hdr's
analysis
shows
that
you
know
again
that
one
intersection
from
three
seconds
to
seven
seconds
and
your
safety
wasn't
the
same.
You
know
safety
wasn't
a
concern
along
fort
harrison
as
it
was
when
we
were
evaluating
drew
street.
The
impetus
just
wasn't
the
same,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
in
those
areas
where
there
is
a
lot
of
pedestrian
traffic.
You
know
just
getting
the
cars
to
go
the
speed
limit,
I
mean.
C
C
Nobody
mentioned
sunset
point
and
it's
been
closed
for
a
year
and
a
half,
you
can't
drive
from
sunset
point
from
north
fort
harrison
to
keene.
They've
had
this
intersection
and
then
they
that
went
in
and
that
is,
is
ludicrous.
A
nice
term
to
use-
or
I
know
it's
a
state
road
but
is,
and
I'm
thinking
back
on
north
ford
harrison
it
it
doesn't.
It
seems,
like
I've,
been
a
traffic
engineer
enough
to
know
what
goes
on
utility
engineering
to
understand
how
they
fit
together
and
it
seems
like
they
didn't.
C
They
said,
let's
get
this
one
done
and
then
we'll
do
the
next
one
and
then
we'll
do
the
next
one
then
we'll.
If,
if
they're
going
to
do
the
same
thing
on
north
fort
harrison,
we
might
as
well
just
another
year
and
a
half
of
being
shut
down.
Can
they
can
I
send
a
report
back
to
the
traffic
department
here
at
least
work
with
the
state
and
asked
them
if
they
could
coordinate
the
utilities
with
the
other
stuff,
so
we're
not
shut
down?
C
Another
road
back
to
where
I
was
drew
street
was
supposed
to
be
a
major
road
and
we
said
well.
We
can
take
the
traffic
off
of
sunset
point
road,
but
it's
been
shut
down
for
a
year
and
a
half.
So
all
the
traffic
studies
and
everything
don't
really
count
because
they've
everybody's
been
going
on
drew
street
so
anyway,
could
they
see
if
they
could
coordinate
a
little
bit
better
if
they
have
to
do
something
on
northport
harrison?
If
this
coordination
was
not
really
well
done
so.
K
Sunset,
that
is,
that
is
all
county
projects.
You
know,
I
I
assume
that
their
engineering
and
our
engineering
coordinated
and
unfortunately
the
the
I
well.
I
know
that
they
did
because
we've
managed
to
fit
in
some
utilities
work
at
the
same
time
while
the
roads
are
already
dug
up,
but
I
do
know
that
that
has
taken
a
long
time.
I
do
not
know
why,
as
it
relates
to
fort
harrison
and
any
of
that
particular
road,
you
know
it's
it's
all
city
roads,
so
all
of
the
city
utilities,
storm
water
and
everything
it.
K
K
K
To
remind
us
to
coordinate,
I
think
that
all
the
jurisdictions
are
getting
better
at
it
and
all
the
city
departments
are
getting
better
at
it,
because
we
certainly
aren't
perfect
and
there's
a
long
history
of
it,
not
necessarily
working
the
way.
We'd
like
it
to
yeah.
We've
just
started
having
coordination
meetings
with
the
county
and
forward
pinellas,
both
engineering
and
planning.
C
Last
one,
I'm
sorry
to
bother
you
last
one
is
the
landing.
I
never
looked
at
the
final
site
plan
on
the
landings
and
I
know
it
didn't
pass,
so
it
gives
us
more
time
to
do
something.
Whatever
my
point
was
not
the
landings,
but
that's
the
place.
To
put
you,
we
identified
there's
very
few
east
west
roads
in
clearwater,
especially
north
of
drew
street.
C
It's
a
real
problem,
that's
why
I
put
so
much
load
on
on
through
and
druid
and
all
those
and
that
and
road
going
through,
the
landing
should
be
considered
by
our
city
department,
so
while
that
airport,
while
that
golf
course
isn't
there,
if
we
can
take
a
road
through
there,
it
might
be
useful
to
look
at
anyways
the
master
plan,
suggesting
as
a
master
planning
issue.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
Sure,
great
time
to
say
it's,
the
the
department
has
kicked
off
its
update
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
there
will
be
times
where
we're
coming
in
front
of
you
to
discuss
many
things.
We're
going
into
data
and
analysis
phase,
then
we'll
be
moving
and
divisioning
our
scope
of
work,
we're
working
with
hdr
again.
So
it's
part
part
hdr
and
part
city
staff
and
we'll
be
bringing
updates
to
you
throughout
that
process.
K
A
K
Everybody
got
a
lot.