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B
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E
C
Rector,
please
remember,
to
turn
off
your
cell
phone
so
that
they
do
not
become
a
distraction
during
the
meeting.
Please
also
refrain
from
having
conversations
in
this
room
so
that
we
might
hear
all
the
testimony
given
today
to
ensure
a
complete
record
of
the
sports
action.
We
ask
that
each
individual
wishing
to
speak,
including
the
applicant
speaking
to
the
microphone
at
the
podium
in
front
of
us,
clearly
state
your
name
and
spell
your
last
name
for
the
clerk
now
I'll.
C
C
C
C
Seeing
none
board
has
adopted
a
consent,
agenda
format
and
the
consent
items
are
identified
as
such
on
the
agenda
consent.
Agenda
items
are
those
items
for
which
the
planning
and
development
department
recommends
approval.
The
applicant
is
in
agreement
with
any
opposed
conditions
and
no
written
objections
to
the
case
have
been
received.
Today.
C
At
800,
pennsylvania
avenue,
owner
clearwater,
neighborhood
housing,
services,
inc
applicant,
frank,
cornier,
clearwater,
neighborhood,
housing
services,
location
is
.16
acres
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
pennsylvania,
avenue
and
seminole
street.
The
board
is
reviewing
a
proposed
detached
dwelling
use
in
the
medium
density,
residential
district
for
the
property
located
at
800
pennsylvania
avenue.
The
project
includes
a
height
of
15.
Feet
provides
a
minimum
of
two
off-street
parking
spaces
and
requests
allowable
flexibility
for
such
setbacks
and
a
six
foot
fence
in
the
front
is
the
runway
wishing
to
having
this
item
removed
from
today's
consent.
C
At
1002
jones
street,
the
owner
is
clearwater,
neighborhood
housing
services,
inc
applicant,
frank
cornier,
clearwater,
neighborhood,
housing
services,
location,
0.16,
acres,
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
pennsylvania,
avenue
and
jones
street.
The
board
is
reviewing
a
proposed
detached
dwelling
use
in
the
medium
density,
residential
district
for
the
property
located
at
1002
jones
street.
The
project
includes
a
height
of
15.
Feet,
provides
a
minimum
of
two
off
street
parking
spaces
and
requests
allowable
flexibility
for
set
vacs
and
a
six
foot
fence
in
front.
C
At
900
laselle
street
owner
clearwater,
neighborhood
housing
services,
inc
applicant,
frank
cornier,
clearwater,
neighborhood,
housing
services,
location,
0.17,
acres,
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
roosevelt
avenue
in
lasalle
street.
The
board
is
reviewing
the
proposed
detached
dwelling
use
in
the
medium
density,
residential
district
for
the
property
located
at
900
cell
street.
The
project
includes
a
height
of
15.
Feet,
provides
a
minimum
of
two
off-street
parking
spaces
and
requests
allowable
flexibility
for
setbacks
and
a
six-foot
fence
in
front.
C
C
C
Within
the
tourist
district
and
a
small
hotel
character
district
of
beach
by
design
for
the
property
located
at
401
and
405
415
and
419
coronado
drive
and
406
410-4200
drive,
the
project
will
be
100
feet
in
height,
proposes
a
minimum
of
199
off
street
parking
spaces,
the
project
requests
allowable
flexibility
from
height
setback
requirements
and
the
design
guidelines
of
beach
by
design
in
a
two-year
development
order.
Is
there
anyone
here
wishing
to
have
this
item
removed
from
consent?
C
1006-1008-1010-1012-1020-1026
and
1032
blantsby
littlejohn
trail
and
1012
railroad
avenue
and
605
and
607
and
611
and
615
and
623
and
631
palm
bluff
street
the
owner
is
palm
bluff
development
group
llc.
The
applicant
is
robert
pergolisi
krykov,
craig
kazarjan
and
sean
p
cashion
gulf
coast.
Consulting
location
is
2.162
acres
bound
by
palm
bluff
street
blanchby
little
john
trail
to
the
east
cedar
street
to
the
south
and
north
gallatin
avenue
west.
C
The
proposal
includes
a
building
height
of
45
feet
in
the
d
district
and
55
feet
in
the
sea
district,
a
minimum
of
106
off
street
parking
spaces
with
the
following
requests
and
the
d
district
requests
three
dwelling
units
to
be
allocated
from
public
amenities,
incentive,
pool
allowable
flexibility
from
setback
requirements,
building
entry,
location
and
treatment,
finished
floor,
elevations
and
location
of
parking
in
the
sea.
District
request,
allowable
flexibility
from
setback
requirements,
height
and
landscaping
is
the
randomly
wishing
to
having
this
item
removed
from
today's
consent.
H
C
Are
you
talking
about
this
project
right
here
at
this
point
in
time?
It's
not
if
you
want
to
remove
it
from
consent
to
discuss
items,
it
would
have
to
be
removed
from
consent
item
and
then
go
into
the
normal
course
of
the
meeting.
This
particular
point
is
just
for,
if
everybody's
in
agreement
with
the
proposal
on
it
and
what's
been
done,
it
gets
approved.
If
not,
then,
if
you
want
it
to
be
removed
to
open
it
for
discussion,
that's
up
to
you.
C
I
C
C
We
will
now
move
on
to
the
regular
agenda.
The
cases
we'll
hear
today
will
be
a
level
two
quasi-judicial
hearing
all
level.
Two
cases,
such
as
flexible
development,
are
considered
quasi-judicial
hearings
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
community
development
board
reviews,
the
application,
the
staff
report,
correspondence
and
all
evidence
presented
today
and
makes
a
final
decision
decision
subject
to
appeal.
C
Any
other
professionals
who
desire
to
be
qualified
as
an
expert
witness
shall
so
request
at
the
beginning
of
the
case
and
present
a
resume
to
each
board
member.
The
board
shall
determine
whether
or
not
to
qualify
the
person
as
an
expert
and
in
what
field
of
study
at
the
beginning
of
each
level
two
case,
I
will
ask
for
anyone
who
wishes
to
request
party
status
to
come
forward
and
state
your
reasons.
Party
status
may
be
granted.
C
Our
first
level
two
case
so
we'll
be
going
in
case
number
one
and
then
go
back
to
the
one
that
was
removed.
Is
that
correct?
First,
okay,.
C
C
B
L
At
this
time,
as
I'd
also
like
to
introduce
david
ojeda
from
our
engineering
department,
since
there
are
questions
related
to
traffic,
if
I
may.
M
L
L
L
The
property
has
split
zoning,
meaning
it
has
two
different
zoning
districts
to
the
north.
Is
the
commercial
shown
in
red
to
the
south
is
the
downtown
zoning
district
and
though
it
has
different
zoning,
it
has
been
designed
as
one
cohesive
project
trying
to
balance
those
rules
and
regulations
of
two
different
zoning
districts.
L
L
L
L
L
L
However,
there's
generally
one
point
person
who
kind
of
coordinates
with
each
of
those
specific
technical
reviewers
manages
their
comments
and
gets
to
go
to
all
the
meetings
and
that
person
is
david,
which
is
why
he's
here
today,
so
it
has
been
reviewed
by
a
specific
traffic
person
in
the
engineering
department.
Okay,.
G
It's
just
just
a
question
because
I
looked
at,
I
should
have
called
the
country
on
the
phone
today.
What
kind
of
commercial
do
they
envision
on
the
on
the
trail?
Do
they
give
you
any?
It
does
not
required
for
the
approval,
but
I
was
just
curious.
What
type
of
commercial
on
the
ground
store?
It's
a
fabulous
project.
I
thought,
but.
L
N
Good
afternoon
robert
pergolizzi
aicp,
planner
and
professional
transportation,
planner
with
gulf
coast,
consulting
13825,
icot
boulevard,
suite
605
in
clearwater
and
I've
been
sworn
and
I've
been
recognized
as
an
expert
before
this
board
for
10
12
years.
I
want
to
address
traffic,
we
did
do
a
traffic
assessment.
It
was
submitted
with
the
application.
N
N
N
I
don't
know
about
a
restaurant,
maybe
like
a
shop
that
might
sell
non-alcoholic
drinks
to
trail
users,
snacks,
snacks,
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions.
Trail
mix,
yeah.
N
C
C
H
H
Ke
I
live
on
palm
bluff,
so
your
voice
cute
little
1925
bungalow,
it's
adorable
anyway.
My
concern
is
that,
with
the
traffic
study,
the
consideration
of
blanche
b
littlejohn
road
is
basically
a
single
car
road
and
it's
not
a
a
passable
road
really
at
the
witch.
So
that's
a
concern,
also
our
roads
up
that
way,
north
garden
at
a
certain
point,
gets
narrower
we're
part
of
the
original
street
system
in
clearwater.
H
H
I
wish
I
had
more
questions
to
ask
you.
I
came
here
for
more
information,
but
number
one
is
the
the
width
of
the
roads
they're
about
as
wide
as
the
trail
itself.
So
please
take
a
look
at
that.
Thank
you.
N
N
On
our
eastern
boundary
between
the
property
and
the
trail
is
blanche
b,
littlejohn,
also
known
as
railroad
avenue,
there
is
a
condition
of
approval.
It
is
a
very
narrow,
one-lane
street.
The
fire
department
noted
that
during
their
during
their
review-
and
we
have
a
condition
of
approval-
that
we
need
to
widen
to
meet
fire
department
standards
and
that
will
be
done.
B
C
The
board
is
reviewing
a
proposed
484
square
foot
dock
as
accessory
to
a
proposed
single
family
home
in
the
low
medium
density,
residential
island
estates,
neighborhood
conservation,
overlay
district
for
the
property
located
at
873
harbor
island.
The
project
is
82
feet
in
length
and
requests
the
fallable
flexibility
for
length.
C
Q
No
sir,
I'm
an
agent
for
the
parsis
who
are
the
budding
neighbor
at
879
harbor
isle.
They
are
the
budding
neighbor
received
notice
and
again
I'm
acting
as
an
agent
for
them
today.
Q
C
O
Q
M
Thank
you
so
I
live
on
the.
I
have
the
adjacent
property
that
I
own
867
harbor
island,
which
is
south
of.
C
S
E
E
T
Island
and
I'd
like
to
speak
today
at
some
point,
if
I
could-
and
I
live
on
the
open
water
side
where
the
proposed
dock
is
going
to
be
placed,
and
so
just.
C
C
I
thought
we
had
to
come
up
and
register
that'll
be
at
that
time.
So
if
it's
not
okay,
so
you're
wishing
to
not
have
that
right.
Okay,
so
is
there
anyone
else
wishing
party
status
so
to
speak?
Everybody
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak.
That
wants
to
speak
on
the
matter.
Whether
or
not
you
have
party
status
or
not
so
again.
C
For
this
case,
the
granting
of
party
status
entitles
you
to
these
additional
rights
personally
testify
present
evidence
of
documentaries,
submittal,
present
witnesses,
conduct
cross-examination
of
any
witnesses.
Present
argument
appeal
the
decision
of
the
board
to
a
hearing
officer
or
to
the
circuit
court.
C
F
Mr
chair,
at
this
time
would
ask
that
the
board
accept
miss
melissa,
hawke
baker
as
an
expert
in
general
planning
zoning
redevelopment
planning,
lane
development
code
and
land
development
code
amendments
special
area
plans
in
overlaid,
districts,
site,
plane,
review,
landscape
architecture,
historic
preservation,
comprehensive
sign
programs
and
all
other
matters
that
she
is
about
to
testify
upon.
I
have
a
motion.
I
F
Next
step,
mr
chair,
I
would
like
to
have
the
board
recognize
mr
david
ojeda,
as
an
expert
in
civil
engineering,
land
development
utilities,
construction
and
building
experts,
storm
water,
fema,
federal
emergency
management
agency,
flood
plain
regulations
and
all
other.
Q
F
C
Second,
we'll
do
this
on
a
single
vote
to
approve
all
three
as
expert
witnesses.
All
those
in
favor
aye
opposed
saying.
None,
please
proceed.
V
V
V
Thank
you,
okay.
So,
yes,
the
site
is
873
harbor
island.
It's
a
2.2,
63
acre
of
piece
of
land.
It's
located
on
the
east
side
of
harbor
island
about
200
feet,
south
the
terminus
of
harbor
island
and
the
zoning
district
is
the
island
estates,
neighborhood
conservation,
overlay,
district
of
the
low
medium
density,
residential
zoning
district
with
the
future
land
use
of
residential
urban
and
it
is
surrounded
by
a
detached
single-family
homes
to
the
north,
the
west
and
the
south,
and
to
the
east
is
the
waterway
that
is
clearwater
harbor.
V
The
proposed
application
is
for
an
accessory
dock
use,
and
while
this
is
being
reviewed
by
the
city
of
clearwater,
the
issuing
entity
for
all
dock
permits
is
pinellas
county,
marine
and
navigation
and
as
a
requirement,
all
applications
that
go
before
them
must
first
go
to
the
local
jurisdiction
for
approval,
and
once
they
get
local
jurisdiction
approval,
then
the
application
moves
on
to
pinellas
county,
but
pinellas
county
is
the
ultimate
issuing
entity
for
all
doc
permits.
V
Our
code
covers
docs
under
section
3-601,
subsection
c,
and
that's
the
community
development
code
and
for
a
property
such
as
this.
The
size
of
the
dock
is
initially
based
on
the
waterfront
property
length.
This
property
features
84.5
feet
of
waterfront
property
length,
and
the
proposed
dock
is
exceeding
the
buy
right
permitted
length,
so
the
buy
right
permitted
length
is
50
percent
of
the
property
length.
That
is,
everybody
gets
that
all
day
long.
V
V
V
The
code
also
does
allow
for
tie
poles.
Tie
poles
may
extend
up
to
18
feet
from
I
mean
up
to
an
additional
50
percent
beyond
the
the
dock
of
50
feet.
So
I'm
mincing
words,
but
essentially
they
would
be
allowed
by
the
code
to
put
tie
poles
out
up
to
50
feet
beyond
the
end
of
wherever
the
deck
the
dock
would
be
so
they're
proposing
to
have
them
at
18
feet
beyond
where
the
dock
will
end.
V
The
proposal
actually
supports
both
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
well
as
the
code.
The
comprehensive
plan
includes
in
it
the
conservation
element
which
specifically
states
that
the
city
is
vested
in
protecting
environmentally
sensitive
areas.
V
C
C
V
Yeah-
and
that
is
anything
that's
any
doc
that
would
be
proposed-
gets
that
that's
by
right.
That's
listed,
that's
not
in
the
deviation
section
of
the
doc.
V
So
I
think
the
applicant
will
further
clarify
that,
because,
while
there
are
you
know,
I
did
I,
I
didn't
actually
do
the
survey,
but
that
is
something
the
applicant
will
attest
to
of
how
they
did
the
survey
and
exactly
where
the
seagrass
beds
extend
to
I'm
sorry.
C
K
G
G
W
Good
afternoon,
mr
chairman,
before
I
start
my
time,
a
brian
oaks
625
porch
street,
on
behalf
of
the
applicants
aaron
and
ian
snyder,
who
are
looking
forward
to
relocating
here
from
north
carolina
and
looking
forward
to
getting
the
benefit
of
using
their
property
per
the
law.
Before
we
get
started.
I'd
like
to
certify
two
expert
witnesses,
I
did
provide
you
with
a
packet
of
information,
so
everything
that
we're
going
to
be
showing
on
the
overhead
is
also
in
front
of
you
today,
including
the
resume
of
mr
al
carrier.
W
W
Secondly,
we
have
mr
roger
menendez.
Mr
menendez
is
a
certified
ecologist.
He
did
do
the
survey
of
the
seagrasses
that
we'll
be
addressing
and
answer
further
questions
about
he's,
also
an
aicp
planner.
So
I'd
like
to
have
him
certified
in
the
areas
of
environmental
sciences,
ecology
and
in
planning,
and
his
resume
is
also
before
you.
O
W
W
It's
all
about
following
the
law,
the
law
as
it
exists
today,
not
as
it
existed
20
years
ago,
not
as
what
we
would
like
it
to
say,
but
what
we're
required
to
do.
This
is
not
a
case
where
you
have
a
hotel
asking
for
flexibility
to
go
from
50
feet
in
height
to
100
feet
in
height,
and
we
have
to
go
through
a
bunch
of
flexibility
criteria.
W
This
is
a
case
where
the
law
mandates
and
dictates
that
if
we
want
to
use
our
property
for
a
dock,
we
want
to
build
a
new
dock
that
we
have
to
build
it.
This
way
we
are
not
asking
for
anything
more
than
what
we
are
required
to
ask
for,
and
that's
not
just
a
city
of
clearwater
requirement.
It's
a
pinellas
county,
water
and
navigation
requirement.
They
will
not
permit
a
dock
that
impacts
seagrasses
and
they
have
a
very
liberal
interpretation
of
what
impacting
seagrasses
is.
W
We
also
have
to
have
potential
review
by
the
fdp,
and
sometimes
you
have
reviewed
by
the
army
corps,
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
multi-step
development
review
process.
This
is
not
a
request
of
convenience.
My
client
is
not
asking
for
anything
more
than
it's
required
to
ask
for.
I
want
to
make
that
very
clear.
This
is
the
seagrass
study
that
shows
the
40
feet
of
impact.
The
seagrass
area,
mr
menendez,
will
testify
more
about
that
in
a
moment.
I
think
there's
also
a
misconception
a
lot
of
the
docs
that
you
know.
W
I
think
that
the
opposition
is
going
to
compare
us
to
are
non-conforming
about.
60
percent
of
the
docs
island
estates
are
non-conforming.
That
means
that
if
you
wanted
to
create
a
brand
new
dock
at
that
house,
you
would
have
to
lengthen
the
dock,
that's
per
the
comprehensive
plan
and
that's
also
per
the
law.
I
put
the
code
section
in
front
of
you
because
I
want
you
to
have
it
at
your
ready.
The
docks
can
go
up
to
250
feet.
W
Okay,
under
the
code,
they
can
go
up
to
250
feet
and,
as
miss
hawk
baker
said
what
we're
asking
for
is
by
right,
42
feet
from
the
40
feet
that
pinellas
county
and
fdp
is
going
to
require
us
to
start
at
I'm
going
to
now.
I
also
just
want
to
also
show
you
in
this
area:
849,
harbor,
island
and
843
harbor,
island,
four
houses
and
five
houses
down.
They
have
a
76
foot
dock
and
a
73
foot
dock,
and
you
can
also
see
tide
poles
throughout
this
area.
W
X
Thank
you
brian.
So,
basically,
not
only
does
pinellas
county
water
navigation
have
to
approve
the
dock
and
have
to
approve
whatever
impacts
are
going
to
occur
to
the
sea
grasses.
The
fdep,
which
is
now
in
hand
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
as
well
as
florida,
fish
and
wildlife
conservation
commission,
are
the
lead
agencies
for
the
management
of
florida
sea
grasses.
X
So
when
you
do
when
you're
going
to
do
dock
permitting
you're
going
to
have
to
determine
if
there's
the
presence
of
seagrasses
and
if
there
are
going
to
be
sea,
grasses
and
other
natural
resources,
you're
going
to
have
to
do
a
benthic
or
seagrass
survey.
So
how
do
we
do
this
benthic
or
seagrass
survey?
So
we
start
at.
X
We
start
at
the
seawall
and
every
10
feet
every
10
feet:
okay,
every
10
feet.
We
use
a
quadrant,
a
meter
square
quadrant
and
we
determine
the
percent
coverage
of
seagrasses
in
that
in
that
square
meter.
Now
why
this?
The
reason
we
do
this
is
this
is
an
accepted
mode
by
ecology
by
the
agencies
by
academics.
That's
that's!
What's
done,
okay,
so
we
started
at
the
seawall
and
we
went
out
toward
toward
the
the
channel
and
so
right
up
against
the
sea
wall.
X
The
sea
grasses
aren't
really
all
that
thick
but
they're
there,
but
as
you
move
away,
they
come
in
and
they're
anywhere
from
65
to
70
coverage.
It's
it's
all!
It's
very
lush!
Okay!
When
you
get
to
40
feet,
it
starts.
It
starts
to
fade
out
and
once
you
get
to
what
41
42
feet,
the
seagrasses
go
away.
Now.
Why
is
this
the
case?
X
The
reason
this
is
the
case
is
because
I
was
going
to
show
you
in
a
minute
the
depth.
Once
you
get
to
a
certain
depth,
the
seagrasses
start
to
peter
out
the
reason
they
do.
That
is
for
multiple
reasons.
First
of
all,
there's
less
light.
There's
turbidity,
there's
potential
impact
to
them.
So
they're
not
happy
there
and
so
closer
40
feet
where
it's
shallower,
they're
happy
there
they're
going
to
be
lush,
you're
going
to
grow
and
it's
going
to
be
good.
X
So
if
you
look
at
this
this,
this
document
right
here,
you'll
see
that
after
30
feet
it's
about
70
percent
coverage.
Once
you
get
past
30
feet,
it
starts
to.
It
starts
to
fade
away,
and
once
you
get
past
40
feet
a
little.
They
go
away
and
at
just
past
40
feet,
there's
a
drop
off
in
the
depth.
Y
Hello
carrier:
I
want
to
reiterate
that
we're
not
asking
for
any
any
additional
setbacks
from
the
neighbors
any
variances.
Y
Y
Y
Y
This
next
slide
I
wanted,
I
wanted
to
show
and
demonstrate
that
from
the
seawall
to
the
shoal,
it's
approximately
eleven
hundred
feet
and
then
there's
a
series
of
three
markers
buoys
that
are
out
there
on
those
buoys.
They,
they
they're
slow
people
boating
to
slow
down
between
the
markers
in
the
seawall
that
the
slow
wick
minimum
zone.
Y
So
the
the
markers
there
are
for
slow
speed,
minimum
wake.
The
aerial
shows
the
I
guess,
the
the
dock
size
relative
to
the
other
docks
that
are
up
in
the
in
that
area,
and
then
it
also
shows
that
you
have
275
feet
to
navigate
between
the
seawall
and
those
and
those
buoys.
Y
Y
This
is
a
little
difficult
to
see,
but
I
wanted
to
show
that
we
did
the
symmetry.
We
got
grade,
elevations
of
the
sea
floor
from
the
seawall
out
past
those
channel
markers
and
once
you
get
past
the
seagrass,
it's
a
pretty
constant
six
foot
of
depth,
measured
at
mean
low
tide,
so
at
mean
low
tide,
you're
going
to
have
a
constant
depth
of
about
six
feet
from
the
seagrass
out
past
those
buoys.
Y
And
the
last
slide
I
have
for
you
here
kind
of
shows:
there's
multiple
docks
throughout
throughout
the
city
of
clearwater
on
basketball,
not
there's
docks
that
are
90
feet
and
the
tide
pools
reach
out
to
110
feet
on
sunset
in
osceola.
Y
You
can
see
some
docks
that
are
out
there
270
feet,
most
of
them
average
about
200
feet
every
site's
different.
The
reason
why
you
have
to
lengthen
the
dock
is
because
dep
in
pinellas
county
is
not
going
to
let
you
impact
the
seagrasses
or
the
seabed.
So
it's
imperative
that
wherever
your
boat
mowers
at
low
tide,
it's
not
banging
the
bottom
and
you're
not
covering
seagrasses.
W
Yeah
real
briefly,
can
you
explain
mr
flannery's
question
about
why
a
non-conforming
existing
legally
established
dot
could
be
rebuilding
its
current
footprint
and
a
lot
be
allowed
to
affect
the
seagrasses,
whereas
why?
What
we're
doing
building
a
new
dock
is
not
allowed
to
affect
the
seagrasses
so.
Y
If
the
dock
is
historic
and
spend
there,
you
have
the
right
to
rebuild
the
dock
in
the
same
footprint
that
it's
that
it
sits
at.
If
you
want
to
modify
that
dock,
then
any
impacts
to
seagrasses
would
be
looked
at
by
the
city
and
by
dep
and
by
pinellas
county.
In
this
particular
case,
they
have
a
small
stamp
size
dock.
Y
W
Miss
frames
are
almost
out
of
our
time,
so
please
do,
but
I
have
30
seconds
so
I'd
like
to
use
it.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
what
we're
asking
for
is
the
absolute
minimum
we're
required
to
ask
for.
We
don't
want
to
be
here
at
a
public
hearing
having
neighbors
upset
at
us.
My
clients
are
moving
into
the
community
they
reached
out
to
their
adjoining
neighbors
several
months
ago
about
this.
They
understood
that
their
neighbors
would
be
objecting
to
it
and
that
this
is
the
process.
W
But
what
I
want
you
to
remember
is
we're
following
the
law.
The
laws
that's
written
today
requires
us
to
be
40
feet
from
the
sea
wall
and
then
we're
entitled
to
that
42
feet
from
there
as
of
right,
we're
following
the
rules,
we're
following
the
law
and
that's
what
this
board
is
here
to
do
as
well.
Thank
you
thank
you
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have.
F
G
G
G
First
of
all,
you're
putting
in
a
a
big
book
of
boat,
lift
real
big
boat,
lift
correct
and
how
long
of
a
boat
could
that
lift
up?
30
40
my
neighbors
was
45.
G
W
Yes,
I
also
just
need
to
put
on
the
record
under
florida
law.
This
board
is
not
allowed
to
consider
impacts
on
views
over
adjoining
properties,
so
under
florida
watts
very
well
established
the
fountain
blue
case
from
the
70s
that
a
property
owner
is
not
entitled
to
a
view
over
their
neighbor's
property,
and
there
are
other
docks
in
this
vicinity.
Just
a
couple
doors
down
that
have
basically
the
same
length.
G
Y
Y
G
X
X
So,
for
instance,
I'm
sorry,
sir,
if
if
the,
if
it
didn't
go
down,
if
it
kept,
it
was
flat
and
it
stayed
at
four
feet:
there'd
be
seagrasses
all
the
way
to
the
channel.
G
That's
funny,
and
so
it's
it's
just
a
issue
of
I
mean
it
could
go
on
on
and
on.
We
could
have
the
next
person
come
in
and
say
if
we
want
120
foot
as
long
as
they
don't
get
the
end
of
the
waterway,
couldn't
we,
the
next
person
on
a
pro
next
door,
could
find
a
different
seagrass
expert
and
have
it
go
out
further.
X
I
mean
no,
not
so
much,
I
mean
if,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
at
the
literature,
if
you
talk
to
people
from
agencies,
if
you
talk
to
academics,
they're
going
to
tell
you
that
the
water
quality,
the
depth
and
the
turbidity
are
going
to
are
going
to
decide
where
the
sea
grasses
are
there's.
Also
the
issue
with.
X
If
we
were
to,
if
they
were
to
use
that
dock,
if
they
were
replaced
that
platform
what's
going
to
happen,
is
when
they
bring
in
their
boat,
they
would
prop
dredge,
basically
dredge
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
surface,
with
their
prop
and
then
whatever
sea
grasses.
Are
there
they're
going
to
tear
up
and
they're
going
to
make
more
turbidity
and
even
the
seagrasses
that
aren't
impacted
by
the
prop
they
might
die
off,
because
the
increased
turbidity
in
that
area.
G
G
I
maybe
I
ask
our
counsel:
do
they
have
a
right
to
change
their
dock?
Is
that
something
that
that
they
have
a
a
given
right
to
do,
or
is
that
because
they
want
to
do
it,
I
mean,
could
they
are
they
entitled
to
have
a
dock
on
that
property?
Do
you
know?
Is
there
any
way
to
ask
a
question?
The
city's
code
allows.
E
E
To
me,
and
I
want
to
sort
of
guide
the
board
back
to
to
the
criteria
that
you're
looking
at
the
water
quality,
the
natural
resources,
the
wetlands
habitats
and
the
marine
environment
are
what
you're
assessing,
but
only
as
an
in
relation
to
the
dock,
not
in
relation
to
the
boat,
so
whether
the
boat
may
cause.
E
I
forget
what
called
it
propeller
dredging
is
not
an
issue
for
you.
It's
a
function
of
the
dock
itself.
If
the
dock
itself
of
lesser
length
poses
a
threat
to
the
marine
environment,
natural
resources,
wetland,
habitats
or
water
quality,
then
a
criteria
a
has
been
met.
There
are
four
others
that
you'll
need
to
consider.
G
And
I
understand
we
can
only
here
decide
on
what
our
our
powers
are
here.
I
understand
that
I
just
do
I'm
thinking
very
heavily
of
neighbors
who
are
going
to
be
suffering
from
this.
I
guess
the
answer
is
every
one
of
them
goes
out
to
84
feet
and
that's
what
happens?
G
That's
what
I'm
looking
at
doing
now,
not
84,
but
now
that
I
can
know
I
put
pilings
out
there,
I'm
all
set
I
put
pilings
out
there,
stop
those
be
those
jet
skiers
go
by
put
a
while
between
the
two
and
kind
of
save
some
manatees,
while
I'm
at
it.
G
C
O
And
actually
maybe
your
question:
what
changed
between
the
documents
that
we
received?
That
said
the
grasses
were
at
30
feet
and
this
new
docker
now
so
the
typo.
X
We
had
two
different.
We
had
two
different
of
these
of
these,
these
graphics
and
we
correct.
O
It's
hard
it,
it
doesn't
just
gives
me
the
depth
and
percentage.
It
doesn't
give
me
a
distance,
it
just
talks
about
quadrant
numbers
and
because
you
don't.
O
X
G
E
I
agree
with
you
like
you're
asking
questions.
I
don't
know
my
impression
of
this
at
this
juncture.
Is
this
what
I
my
question
is
the
applicant
has
told
us
that
they're
they
have
a
certain
as
of
right
entitlement
to
length,
then
they're
going
to
add
the
variance
on
top
of
it.
I
don't
know
that
that's
the
that
may
be
a
portion
of
the
city's
code
that
I'm
going
to
independently
familiar
with.
C
E
You're
really
discussing
the
minimum
variance,
it
will
make
possible
the
reasonable
use
of
the
of
the
land
right.
So
if,
in
this
case-
and
I
don't
know
if
pinellas
county
has
told
the
applicant
something
different-
maybe
the
pinellas
county
may
have
told
the
applicant
that
you
must
go
to
82
feet
or
we
will
not
approve
it.
But
I
think
that
it's
perfectly
permissible
for
this
board
to
inquire
as
to
whether
70
feet
may
work
as
to
whether
60
feet
may
work.
E
Unless
there
is
a
portion
of
the
code
that
says
you
get
the
entitlement
plus
the
variance
length
which
I
and
I've
I've
not
seen
that
before
point
of
clarifier.
If
your
entitlement
is
whatever
your
entitlement
is
x,
it's
x,
plus
that
you're
really
determining
right
in
terms
of
the
variance.
What
is
the
appropriate
addition
to
x
that
makes
it
possible
for
the
applicant
to
use
the
land.
E
W
So
I
I
think
I
need
to
to
respond
to
mr
flannery.
This
application
was
reviewed
by
the
city's
environmental
department
as
part
of
all
the
disciplines
that
review
the
application.
If
you
look
at
the
staff
report,
the
city's
environmental
department
said
in
the
staff
report
that
this
application
was
supportable
and
was
the
minimum
necessary
to
protect
the
marine
life
and
the
seagrasses
that
were
being
impacted
as
per
the
survey.
W
This
is
the
first
step
once
we
get
a
development
order
here.
Hopefully
we
will
move
on
to
pinellas
county.
We
know
from
experience
that
pinellas
county
will
not
allow
us
to
impact
the
marine
life
and
the
seagrasses
and
pinellas
county
is
going
to
be
looking
at
the
exact
same
survey
that
you've
been
provided,
and
mr
carrier
can
tell
you
and
I'll
have
to
tell
you
in
a
second
he's,
actually
gotten
approvals
before
from
the
local
government,
and
then
the
county
came
back
and
said:
no,
you
gotta
lengthen
it.
W
So
the
risk
is,
if
you
cut
it
down
to
70
feet,
or
you
know
you
say
well
we're
just
going
to
make
it
70
feet,
because
we
don't
think
the
seagrass
is
really
good
that
much
farther
than
30
feet.
Well,
then,
water
and
navigation
and
kelly
hammer
lever
levy
are
going
to
look
at
it
and
they're
going
to
say
no.
No,
that
was
wrong.
You've
got
to
go
back
to
the
cdb
and
reapply
all
over
again
and
get
that
extra
10
feet
or
we're
not
going
to
give
you
your
dock
al.
Can
you
address
that.
Y
Everything
says
correct:
we
just
went
through
a
for
example.
A
dock,
that's
280
feet,
long
in
town
of
bel
air
got
all
the
way
through
the
process
got
through
their
process.
The
municipal
process
got
through
pinellas
county
got
through
fdep
and
army
corps
went
out
and
swim
and
said
it's
too
short
need
to
go
out
and
we
ended
up
putting
another
78
feet.
On
the
end
of
a
200
280
foot
dock,
we
had
to
go
back
through
the
whole
process,
all
over
again
back
to
the
miss
valley
back
to
pinellas
county
to
get
their
approvals.
Y
I
don't
like
being
here
in
front
of
you,
so
we
always
try
to
design
the
dock,
so
we
don't
have
to
come
back
or
have
some
sort
of
contention,
but
I
believe,
with
my
experience
in
roger's
experience,
that
we've
designed
a
dock
that
we
don't
think
is
going
to
come
back.
We
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
through
pinellas,
county
and
fdep.
G
W
G
G
W
Y
Correct
correct:
there
is
like,
like
I
mentioned,
on
this
stock
here,
two
doors
down:
there's
tide
poles
that
stick
out
72
feet
from
the
dock.
That
dock
was
just
reconstructed,
I
think
within
a
year
or
two
I
do
have
the
permit
here.
If
you
want
to
see
it
from
pinellas
county,
the
the
tide
poles
were
existing.
The
homeowner
opted
to
leave
the
tide,
poles
and
redo
his
stock,
but
he
left
the
tide
poles
out
at
approximately
72
feet.
I.
Y
Yes,
so
once
we
get
through
this
process,
we
work
with
the
city
staff
they
have
requested.
We
put
like
3m
tape,
white
tape
on
the
piling
the
most
furthest
out
piling.
I
will
add,
as
we
go
through
the
process,
for
instance
the
decking
from
the
seawall
out
to
about
40
feet.
Maybe
a
little
bit
more
will
be
a
great
material
that
will
allow
sunlight
to
penetrate
through
that's
normal,
a
normal
requirement,
wrapping
the
piling
for
boar
worms.
That's
that's
another
requirement.
Y
Typically,
municipalities,
pinellas
county,
don't
want
lights
on
piling
that
stick
out
that
far
they'd
rather
have
the
reflective
tape
and
have
it
maintained.
O
F
Not
to
my
knowledge,
stupid
city
council,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
city's
position
on
the
code
requirements
for
length.
I
was
just
speaking
with
miss
lauren
matzke
about
this,
and
our
interpretation
is
you're,
allowed
a
certain
amount
of
length
by
right
under
our
code
without
having
to
go
through
a
level
one
approval
process
or
greater.
And
then,
if
you
want
more
length,
then
which
is
the
case.
F
Have
to
apply
for
flexibility,
and
the
applicant
is
saying
for
the
record
that
they
understand
that
this
is
a
flexibility
application,
but
they
are
saying
that
the
state
and
county
requirements
are
more
stringent
than
ours
and
actually
require
them
to
go
out
further
than
what
is
typically
allowed
under
our
our
length
that
you
could
ask
for
without
flexibility.
Is
that
correct,
mr
angst?
I.
W
W
W
F
F
C
C
It
starts
at
the
minimum
base
level
for
flood
elevation.
That
means
a
flood
elevation
on
a
piece
of
property.
So
if
you
start
at
11
and
a
half
feet,
that's
where
your
elevation
on
your
building
starts
from,
even
if
your
property
is
at
six
feet
existing.
Am
I
wrong
there
am?
I
am
I
elaborating
correctly,
or
am
I
doing
it
wrong?
So
if
you
have
a
piece
of
property,
that's
at
six
foot
of
elevation,
you're
building
height.
C
P
C
Let's,
let's
go
on
to
presentation
by
persons
with
party
status,
we'll
each
have
five
minutes
maximum
and
we're
going
to
start
with
mr
cressman.
Q
Q
Mr
chairman,
I
do
have
a
powerpoint
to
walk
you
through
if
we
could
pull
that
up.
Please
again,
my
name
is
todd
pressman,
I'm
here
as
an
authorized
agent
for
the
parsees,
who
are
the
a
budding
owner
on
the
north.
If
I
could
draw
your
attention
to
the
powerpoint
that
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
please
a
loud
doc
as
I
have
is
42.2
requesting
82
feet
for
the
dock,
much
further
out
with
the
type
holes.
Q
I
have
that
as
a
94
percent
variance
requested
from
what's
allowed
at
42
to
82
feet
and
then
plus
type
holes.
So
I
see
this
my
math.
This
is
a
major
variance.
This
is
the
site
and
you
can
see
that
there
is
doc
uniformity
and
it
is
a
question
how
you
look
at
this
now.
These
are
our
measurements.
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
differ
a
little
bit,
but
you
can
see
throughout
the
entire
terminus
that
the
status
quo
runs
from
about
30
to
40
feet.
There
is
one
at
71
feet.
Q
I
have
it
at
71
feet
by
buying
recollection
there's
only
two
docks
that
have
tide
poles.
This
is
controlled
by
the
lot
with,
as
we
all
know,
mr
chairman
board
members,
mr
flarey
had
this.
The
most
important
piece
of
information
is
what
you
have
not
been
told.
Nor
has
the
staff
been
told
when
you
look
at
this
dock,
you
have
66
000
pound,
lift.
That
is
an
extraordinary
super
lift,
which
means
a
massive
boat.
Q
In
our
opinion,
what
you're
shown
is
a
boat
on
the
south
side,
but
what
you're
not
shown
at
all
is
the
boat
that's
proposed.
On
the
other
side,
it's
never
been
presented
to
the
staff.
It
was
not
presented
to
you
until
mr
flannery
asked
that
question.
It's
sort
of
like
a
magician
who's,
performing
a
sleight
of
hand.
In
my
opinion,
who
says,
look
over
here
with
a
flash
and
does
the
trick
behind
his
back.
They
have
not
shown
that
to
you,
they've
not
disclosed
to
you,
and
that
is
what,
in
our
opinion,
is
driving.
Q
Q
This
is
our
rendition
for
google
measurement
81.9
feet
plus
18
feet
for
tide
poles.
That's
just
under
100
feet.
That's
roughly
two,
two
and
a
half
times
the
status
quo
of
what's
out
there.
As
I
showed
you.
Let's
talk
about
criteria
because
the
applicant
barely
did,
in
my
opinion,
criteria
number
one
is
not
in
the
harmony
scale,
bulk
coverage
density
or
character.
Well,
it's
clearly
not
in
the
character,
because
by
status
quo
I've
shown
you
it's
twice
as
long
criteria,
number
two
will
hinder
or
discourage
appropriate
development
and
use
of
adjacent
land
of
buildings.
Q
This
is
going
to
be
a
major
public
safety
issue.
Let
me
tell
you
why-
and
you
will
hear
this
as
facts
from
the
neighbors
who
lived
next
to
this
site
very
close
on
how
boat
traffic
occurs.
Those
are
facts
and
they
will
contest.
They
will
test
to
that,
because
people
take
a
shortcut
on
this
terminus,
as
you
can
see
here,
both
north
and
south,
and
they
cut
it
close,
and
we
have
pictures
and
some
videos
to
show
you.
Q
Here's
a
high
speed
approach,
another
close
approach:
this
is
a
large
boat
coming
in
at
night
boat
traffic,
large
boat
traffic
at
night.
This
is
another
close
approach.
This
is
the
human
crafts
being
pushed
out
just
by
the
current
dock.
That's
out
there,
so
it
does
not
meet
criteria.
Number
two
in
our
opinion,
hinder
or
discourage
appropriate
development
use
of
the
adjacent
lands
and
buildings
will
not
meet
criteria.
Q
Three
adversely
affect
the
health
or
safety
of
persons
residing
or
working
in
the
neighborhood
of
the
proposed
use,
there's
also
clear
code
criteria,
which
is
included
in
your
staff
report.
The
staff
responds
to,
and
mr
flannery
some
other
members
started
to
ask
this.
What
is
the
minimum
deviation?
What's
the
reasonable
use?
Well
by
my
math,
it's
a
94
variance.
That's
the
darn
big
variance
that
you're
thinking
of
approving.
But
the
point
comes
back
again
is
how
big
is
the
boat?
It's
50
feet.
Clearly,
a
smaller
boat
could
work.
Q
My
understanding
is,
you
have
to
have
a
finding
of
all
criteria
the
father
referred
to
and
the
others
were
in
the
staff
report,
so
this
will
clearly
be
dangerous,
unsafe,
tragic
way
to
happen.
In
our
opinion,
the
shortcut
path
pushing
of
human
voting
outward
the
uniformity
of
shorter
docks
coming
around
the
top
of
the
terminus,
creates
a
conception
in
our
opinion
of
uniformity,
of
close
passage.
Q
Q
F
Q
J
O
Q
Q
O
F
A
G
O
Q
Well,
my
understanding
is
40..
I
may
have
picked
that
up
for
the
one
on
the
one
slide
that
showed
us
30.,
which,
which
slide?
Is
that,
sir,
that
one
well
that
was
just
taken
from
the
applicant
or
the
applicant
on
the
on
the
online
seminar
by
the
applicant.
Q
Without
speed,
the
seagrass
goes
40
feet.
That's
one
story.
The
other
story
is
how
big
is
this
boat,
which
has
been,
in
our
opinion,
hidden
from
this
board
and
hidden
from
the
city
and
not
disclosed?
That's?
What's
driving
the
variance?
That's
what's
driving
a
significant
variance,
because
clearly,
if
it
were
a
40-foot
boat,
they
wouldn't
be
asking
for
as
much.
F
You
made
a
comment
earlier
about
how
we
were
here
to
review
the
dock
and
not
the
boats.
The
criteria
don't.
Q
The
criteria
the
criteria
speaks
to
what's
a
minimum
variance,
what's
pushing
the
applicant's
variance
is
how
large
the
boat
is
they're
presenting
to
you.
That
is
strictly
the
seagrasses,
but
the
simple
fact
of
the
matter
is:
if
they
had
a
40-foot
boat
or
a
30-foot
boat,
it
would
be
much
less
variance,
and
that
would
be
a
minimum
variance.
D
C
Q
Now
I
I
will
summarize
by
saying
in
the
applicants
in
his
application,
they
refer
to
putting
the
boat
sideways,
that
it
would
work
for
them,
which
is
kind
of
contradictory
in
my
opinion,
because
they
talk
about
how
they
have
to
have
depth
of
the
dock.
Going
all
the
way
out
we
are
bringing
doc
bring.
The
boat
in
sideways
evidently
would
be
a
way
for
them
to
go,
which
again
does
not
meet
the
criteria
that
I
pointed
out
for
the
safe
use
and
for
minimum
or
reasonable
use.
Q
S
F
Q
B
M
She'll
do
it
so
I
I
live
at
867,
harbor
island,
those
old
boston,
whalers
that
were
in
the
video.
That's
my
backyard
and
the
people
planning
to
build
a
dog
came
over
on
july
january,
10
to
my
house
and
asked
for
the
sign
off,
and
I
said
I
don't
feel
comfortable
doing
it.
So
they
said
well,
we'll
just
put
our
50
foot,
they
did
say
they
had
a
50-foot
diesel
sport
fishing
boat,
new.
You
want
to
keep
on
lift,
they
said,
we'll
put
it
sideways.
M
I
said,
that's
fine,
but
then
they
indicated
they
don't
want
to
block
their
view.
So
let
the
record
be
set
that
they
were
very
clear.
They
didn't
want
to
block
the
view,
that's
why
they
wanted
to
go
out
and
regarding
the
seagrass
I
guess
I'm
a
little
confused
because
it
has
been
30
feet
40
feet.
I
was
there
when
they
did
the
survey
because
they
were
in
my
yard-
and
I
said,
excuse
me:
what
are
you
guys
doing
with
your
equipment
in
my
yard?
M
So
they
explained
to
me,
but
when
you
put
the
50-foot
boat
on
the
lift,
as
as
they're
describing
you're
going
to
cover
about
10
feet
with
that
boat
of
the
sea
grass,
so
I'm
getting
confused
here.
It's
a
little
contradiction
that
you're
trying
to
save
the
seagrass
but
you're
putting
a
boat
that's
going
to
cover
the
seagrass
over
over
the
distance.
M
Regarding
you
know
is
this:
can
you
see
that
all
right,
so
what
we
did
my
son
and
I
we
went
around
using
google
maps
and
size
the
docs,
like
many
other
people,
did
the
important
thing
is.
If
you
look
at
these
points,
these
people
43
feet,
they
have
166
feet
of
water
furniture
per
the
code.
They
can
be
out
80
some
feet
next
house
dan
baird
33
feet.
He
just
redid
his
dock
july
of
2018..
H
M
And
this
is
my
opinion,
I'm
not
speaking
for
him,
because
the
liability
of
it
people
whip
around
that
corner
and
you're
going
to
get
sued.
I
mean
it
cracks
me
up
these
people.
If
they
build
this
stuff,
they
should
put
a
sign
on
it.
Sue
me
because
that's
what's
going
to
happen.
So
if
you
look
at
the
next
next
stocks,
40
feet
38
feet.
Mine
is
actually
36
feet,
9
inches,
because
I
just
measured
it
and
then
you
have
100
foot
structure,
it's
82
foot
dock,
but
it
has
another
slip
which
I
question.
M
You
read
the
city
code,
all
the
coats,
two
mooring
places
for
a
dog
for
a
boat,
you
they
have
two
lifts
and
they
have
a
slip.
I
took
my
boater
safety
navigation
in
south
carolina.
Maybe
things
are
different
in
south
carolina
and
florida,
but
when
you
have
eight
pilings,
that
is
called
a
boat
slip,
a
wet
slip.
So
that's
three
slips,
so
I'm
confused
why
this
has
even
gotten
to
where
it
is
because
it
makes
no
sense.
You
have
boats
jet
skis
everybody
coming
through
there
and
you're
going
to
put
an
appendage.
M
That
is
farther
twice
as
far
as
everybody
else's,
so
I
did
a
little
study
and
I
know
I'm
trying
to
move
for
the
time
here.
On
sunday
I
sat
on
my
dock
and
I
fished.
But
what
did
I
do?
I
said
I'm
going
for
an
hour,
I'm
going
to
count
boats
fried
in
the
sun
a
little
bit,
but
I
counted
boats,
68
craft
went
past
me
in
an
hour,
it's
a
very,
very
crowded
area
and
it
is
so
hard
to
get
video.
Last
sunday
night
there
was
a
triple
engine
boat.
M
It
blew
past
near
the
docks,
flew
one
direction
and
about
an
hour
later
flies
the
other
way.
You
have
kids
who
paddle
board.
You
have
kids
with
pontoon
boats.
Their
parents
are
pulling
them
into
the
wake
zone.
You
are
crowding
the
snow
wakes
up.
You
know
what
we
measured.
Those
buoys
move
on
a
daily
basis
at
275
feet
come
over
to
my
house,
because
they're
not
275
feet.
Those
buoys
are
160
feet.
My
neighbor
and
I
measure
they
move
every
day.
M
They
move
with
the
currents
and
you
are
crowding
a
no
wake
zone,
you're,
making
it
a
hazard,
a
definite
hazard
to
the
people
of
the
community,
and
if
you
look
at
the
level,
I'm
not
an
attorney,
I'm
a
businessman,
the
flexible
standard,
if
it's
detrimental
to
the
public
interest
and
welfare,
and
this
is
detrimental
to
the
public
interest
and
welfare,
and
I
think
the
point
that
todd
was
trying
to
make
the
standard
42
foot
that
they're
allowed
I'll
do
some
kentucky
math.
You
want
to
put
your
boat
on
the
lift.
This
way
it
doesn't
fit.
M
E
M
M
So
with
that
said,
it's
not
if
it's
when
a
tragedy
is
going
to
occur
and
I
think
it's
a
liability
for
everyone
in
the
community.
C
Our
next
party
status
counter
buffyglio.
R
I'm
connor
belfolia,
I'm
a
resident
on
island
estates.
I've
lived
on
island
estates
in
harbor
island,
my
whole
life
almost
23
years
now,
I'm
an
active
fisherman
paddle
boarder
kayaker
and
I
do
a
lot
of
boating
in
the
area
and
one
thing
that
everyone
states
that
is
a
is
is
common.
Is
this
is
a
blind
curve
here
and
you
can't
see
when
you're
driving
on
a
boat
here,
you
can't
see
the
boats
way
over
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
times.
R
F
R
F
D
A
no
wake
zone
all
the
way
around
there.
Yes,
the
actual
navigable
waterway
is
far
out
beyond
that.
No
wake
zone.
R
R
R
Walkway
out
to
the
the
dock
which
their
attorney
mentioned,
but
nowhere
in
any
of
their
information
states
that
they're
going
to
do
the
grading
to
save
the
seagrass.
It's
they.
It
states
specifically
in
there
that
it's
a
composite
decking
all
the
way
out
and
then
all
their
boats
are
going
to
hang
over
and
cover
the
seagrass
as
well.
R
R
A
R
A
34-foot
boat
that
they're
planning
to
put
here,
which
is
way
too
much
boat
for
the
property.
No
one
on
island
estates
has
boats
this
on
this
side
of
the
street.
That
are
this
long
and
this
many
boats
for
the
for
the
size
of
the
lot.
It's
overkill,
they
could
put
you
know
a
smaller
boat
or
even
keep
their
bigger,
boat
or
marina
and
keep
their
smaller
boat
here
sideways,
and
everyone
would
be
happy
with
it.
Instead
of
going
out
100
feet
out
into
the
waterway.
R
And
another
thing
that
I'd
like
to
address
is
everyone
talks
about
these,
these
docks
that
are
out
here,
yeah,
73
feet
or
76,
or
whatever
people
are
saying
they
are,
but
these
aren't
at
the
point
here.
This
is
totally
different
here,
driving
on
a
boat
or
any
type
of
watercraft.
You
can
see
this
and
it
naturally
pushes
your
way
out,
but
right
here
around
the
curve
when
you
come
around
and
it's
a
hundred
foot
off,
that's
a
major
change
from
the
eight
foot
dock.
R
S
So
I
don't
want
to
basically
resay
some
of
the
there's
a
lot
of
good
points
made
on
about
safety,
and
I
want
to
reiterate
how
dangerous
this
really
is
from
a
standpoint
of
people
going
around
that
corner
not
expecting
to
see
100
foot
dock
sticking
out
that
far,
I
can't
overstate
how
dangerous
that
is
going
to
be.
If
that's
approved.
S
One
thing
I
do
want
to
bring
out
that
hasn't
really
been
talked
about.
A
lot
of
this
discussion
has
been
on
about
the
sea
grass,
and
I
don't
know
why
that
particular
lot
has
that
much
sea
grass.
I
would
venture
to
think
it's
possibly
because
there's
been
no
boating
activity
in
there
at
all
for
years.
I
can.
I
can
test
that,
because
I
I've
been
to
that
that
neighborhood
constantly
almost
on
a
daily
basis,
so
there's
no
boating
activity
there.
So
that's
possibly
why
the
sea
grass
has
developed
to
the
extent
that
it
has
so.
S
My
comment
would
be:
if
all
of
a
sudden,
you
put
a
50-foot
boat
in
there
and
there's
two
ways:
they
can
approach
that
lift.
They
can
approach
it
basically
going
toward
the
sea
wall
and
if
they
do
that,
and
they
put
it
on
the
lift
the
waters.
I
think
one
of
the
gentlemen
stated
that
it's
six
foot
deep
there,
a
50
foot
boat,
has
two
large
propellers
that
is
stirring
up
a
lot
of
sediment,
that's
being
driven
on
that
sea
on
that
sea
grass.
S
So
my
my
question
to
one
of
the
experts
on
seagrass
is
the
likelihood
that
seagrass
will
survive
with
that
much
turbidity
constantly
being
thrown
at
it
in
the
future.
If
the
boat
is
is
actually
moored
there,
the
other
approach
would
be
for
them
to
come
in
the
other
way.
So
the
bow
the
boat
sticks
out.
S
If
they
do
that,
their
propellers
will
be
right
in
the
seagrass,
so
I
don't
see
any
reasonable
way
that
lift
cannot
can
be
used
without
harming,
if
not
destroying
the
sea
grass
and
the
entire
purpose
of
this
is
to
protect
the
sea
grass
and
you
don't
have
just
one
boat.
You
have
two
boats,
so
you
have
the
same
issue
on
the
other
side
of
the
dock,
with
the
smaller
boat.
Again,
they
can
come
in
pointing
toward
the
sea
wall,
and
even
if
they
do
that,
they're
still
going
to
stir
up
a
lot
of
sediment.
S
So
I
don't
know
who
can
address
that
question,
but
I
would
I
would
like
someone
to
discuss
the
possibility
of
that
of
that
seagrass
surviving
in
that
environment
and
and
and
in
summary,
I
just
like
to
state
that
I
would
hope
that
the
city
of
clearwater
would
take
the
safety
of
this
residence
as
its
number
one
priority.
B
C
Q
I've
been
appointed
by
two
of
florida
governors,
governor
jeb
bush,
to
the
tampa
bay
regional
planning
council.
I
was
reappointed
by
governor
bush.
I
was
then
appointed
by
governor
bush.
The
southwest
florida
watch
management
district
governing
board,
of
which
my
fellow
colleagues
on
the
governing
board
thought
enough
of
me
to
elect
me
as
chairman
of
the
governing
board
for
a
year,
I
served
on
swift
mud
for
about
eight
or
nine
years.
I
was
then
subsequently
reappointed
by
governor
crist.
All
those
appointments
also
included
a
reappointment
or
appointment
by
the
florida
senate.
Q
So
my
experience
and
then
through
my
business,
I've
handled
hundreds
literally
hundreds
of
zoning
and
land
use
cases
throughout
the
entire
region,
from
citrus
county
to
manatee,
county
and
throughout
the
region.
Here,
okay,.
Q
W
There's
cross-contamination
and
then
public
so
you're
good.
They
will
not
escape
you
outcomes.
Mr
chair,
if
you
would
indulge
me,
I
know,
mr
president
got
two
extra
minutes.
I
I
do
have
some
cross
examination
for
the
city
staff,
which
I
think
will
be
brief,
but
I
would
like
to
ask
mr
carrier
three
specific
questions
that
were
raised
by
the
party
status.
W
Folks
is,
I
think
that
will
streamline
those
questions
and
get
that
before
the
board
now,
so
you
don't
have
to
try
to
remember
to
ask
it
in
an
hour
from
now
or
one
of
those
things
so,
mr
carrier,
why
don't
you
stand
here
and
you
can
use
the
ammo
if
you'd,
like
one
of
the
questions
that
we
heard
was
that
the
real
secret
to
this
is
that
we
have
a
50-foot
boat?
So
we
need
the
42
extra
feet
to
get
the
50-foot
boat
in
there
does
the
size
of
the
boat
matter
at
all.
Y
Yes,
we
tried
to
get
the
lift
as
close
as
we
possibly
could
to
the
sea
wall
with
accommodating
that
50-foot
boat.
We
put
the
bow
of
the
boat
right
at
the
edge
of
the
sea
grass.
The
boat's
going
to
be
out
of
the
water
sunlight
can
penetrate
underneath
the
boat
during
certain
periods
of
the
day
and
then
in
the
evenings
and
mid
mid
day.
It's
the
seagrass
is
getting
not
shaded
by
the
boat,
but
in
terms
of
the
length.
Y
W
Y
So
it's
a
big
sport,
fish
boat!
It's
got
twin
diesels,
it's
got
inboards.
I
think
the
draft
on
it's
like
four.
I
think
you
said
four
four
and
a
half
feet.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
when
he
does
pull
the
boat
in
and
out
off
the
lift
that
he
has
enough
clearance
between
the
bottom
of
the
props
and
the
seat.
Bed
where
the
props
are
gonna
be
sitting
is
approximately
you're.
Y
Gonna
have
a
six
foot
depth
there
at
mean
low
tide,
so
you're
going
to
have
about
18
inches
to
two
feet
of
water.
Underneath
the
props
it's
going
to
mitigate
when
he's
putting
the
boat
on
the
left
and
taking
it
off,
it's
going
to
mitigate
any
turbulence
or
any
contact
with
the
seabed.
So
we
try
and
put
the
boat
in
a
position
where
it's
not
going
to
interfere
with
the
seagrasses
or
cause
detrimental
damage
to
the
seagrasses.
W
Well,
I'm
sorry
two
more
quick
questions
for
my.
Maybe
I
might
get
getting
to
you
or
answer
your
question
in
terms
of
the
alternate
design,
flipping
sideways
and
making
the
dock
shorter.
We
heard
a
lot
about
that.
Did
you
consider
that
and
is
that
feasible
and
if
not,
why
not.
Y
I
did
if
we
can
go
to
the
overhead.
Y
So
the
snutters,
when
they
first
approached
approached
me,
he
had
two
designs:
two
schematic
designs:
one
was
like
the
design
we
have
with
the
boat's
dial
in
and
the
other
he
had
sideways.
So
I
I
just
sketched
this
up,
I'm
sorry,
it's
so
rudimentary.
Y
So
typically
we
don't.
I
don't.
I
don't
like
these
designs,
because
if
this
guy
sells
his
house
in
my
opinion,
he
now
has
to
build
an
82-foot
dock
to
accommodate
what
he
wants.
You
now
block
off
his
access
to
his
books
and
he
has
to
redesign
his
thought.
That's
why
I
steered
him
away
from
doing
a
parallel
warning.
W
And
final
question:
I
think
you
already
answered
this
from
me
as
currently
designed
will
the
boat
shave
the
seagrass
or
no
very
minimally,
okay,
so
minimal
impacts
on
the
seagrasses?
Did
you
have
additional
questions?
Thank.
G
G
With
this,
what
would
happen
if
you
designed
the
sander
say
somebody
had
a
35
foot
boat
or
32
foot
like
my
neighbor
has,
would
that
be
a
problem?
We
could
make
it
a
lot
shorter
and
also
how
wide
is
this
boat?
I
just
don't
in
my
mind.
I
see
it
actually
getting
on
her
neighbor's
property,
because
these
boats
are
not
quite
as
vertical
as
they
appear.
G
They,
the
the
lift,
is
there,
but
you
end
up
with
the
you
put
a
canopy
on
top.
Of
course
you
put
all
sorts
of
stuff.
On
top
of
these
things,
you
know
it's
just
not
a
low
boat.
These
things
are
like
30
feet,
15
feet
high
because
you
sit
up
above,
and
you
can
do
all
this
stuff
and
stuff,
and
you
have
a
bin
mini
top
and
everything.
So
you
actually
have
a
pretty
good
structure
sitting
out
there.
G
You
might
as
well
just
stay
on
your
boat,
but
that's
a
so
that's
a
giant
boat.
So
we're
asked
to
give
a
really
big.
Allow
this
applicant
to
have
a
really
big
boat.
Is
what
we're
really
asking.
If
he's
wanted
a
24
foot
john
boat,
would
that
be
okay,
or
why
are
we
doing
all
this?
For
that
and
the
second
question,
while
I
have
you
what's
the
purpose
of
the
pilings,
I
don't
know
anybody
else
that
has
those
that
means
somebody
could
tie
their
boat
sideways,
couldn't
they
they
could
legally.
G
Y
Y
W
Mr
flannery,
let
me
answer
that
question
for
you,
so
we
are
agreeable
to
a
condition
of
approval
that
says
there
will
be
no
permanent
mooring
of
boats
on
those
tight
on
those
tide,
poles
and
they
would
only
be
used
as
guide
poles
or
in
an
emergency
king
tide
for
very
temporary
use,
but
we
are
agreeable
to
a
condition
of
approval
that
says:
we're
not
going
to
permanently
tie
the
boats
on
that
tie.
Pole.
G
I
mean
that's
part
of
the
danger
right.
There
is
on
top
of
everything
else
coming
around,
but
those
out
sticking
out
in
the
middle
of
everywhere
I
mean
I've,
we've
sailed
up
there
sure
and
I
don't
know
why.
They're
it's
very,
very
convenient
and
nice,
but
if
there's
a
king
tide
or
is
there
a
hurricane
coming
through
that
boat,
says,
there's
a
crash
in
everybody's
house
anyway
that
60
now
that
giant
boat's
going
to
just
crash
into
every
neighbors
anyway.
I.
Y
Hurricane,
but
the
reason
why
we
put
the
poles
on
the
east
side
a
lot
of
times.
You
get
your
strongest
blows
strongest
wind
out
in
the
northeast
during
the
cold
fronts
that
blow
through
and
that
particular,
if
he's
going
to
tie
the
boat
up,
it's
nice
to
be
able
to
have
him
to
have
some
road
or
some
lines
out
on
the.
What
would
be
the
east
side
of
that
dock
right?
Y
G
I'm
sorry,
I
have
to
admit,
I
have
a
house
much
like
that,
and
I
have
not
had
the
courtesy
of
having
all
that
I
just
have
to
get
my
boots
out
of
there.
In
my
neighborhood
I
I
mean
I
seem
to
be
able
to
live
with
it
for
45
years,
somehow
without
having
type
holes
and
all
that
other
stuff
and
wrecking
my
neighbor's
view
doing
it.
But
that's
not
a
view
question,
but
it
is
a
question
of
why
you
have
to
have
typos
out
there
that
will
be
in
the
middle
of
the
waterway.
G
That
will
really
be
a
danger
for
starter
and
the
second
one
is
why
we
have
to
have
such
a
big
boat.
Essentially,
why
can't
he
tie
up
in
a
marina
have
a
smaller
boat
like
everybody
else?
Why
are
we
as
a
board,
making
the
decisions
of?
What's
the
the
guidelines
that
we're
supposed
to
be
in?
They
have
to
show
us
there's
a
necessity,
not
that
it's
okay,
we
don't
have
any
objection
to
it.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out.
G
W
E
Y
I
just
sketched
that
up,
because
I
heard
the
question
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
everybody
a
graphic
view
of
why
I
don't
suggest
people
have
parallel
docs
in
that
situation,
because
you
have
to
cross
over
other
people's
repairing
lines.
Y
W
Okay,
miss
hawk
baker.
How
are
you
good?
Okay,
if
you
just
come
up
here
and
we'll,
ask
you
a
few
questions.
I'm
gonna
ask
you
about
the
staff
reports,
so
we
can
just
read
along
together.
This
is
on
page
three
of
the
staff
report.
I
just
want
to
confirm.
Was
this
application
reviewed
by
the
environmental
division
of
the
engineering
department?
Yes,
it
was
and
did
they
find
that
it
met
or
exceeded
all
the
criteria
for
approval,
including
the
criteria
in
the
conservation
plan
element.
W
V
W
Okay
and
that's
all
laid
out
in
your
staff
report
correct,
and
was
it
also
reviewed
by
mr
gandhi,
the
marine
aviation
department
director
and
reviewed
and
found
to
be
supportable
and
safe?
Yes,
with
that
additional
condition
of
approval
regarding
the
tide
pools.
W
Okay
and
in
your
report,
you
talk
about
non-conforming,
existing
docs
versus
the
future
of
docs
out
there
and
what
the
plan,
what
the
new
community
obama
code,
or
the
code
of
1999
community
obama
code,
not
so
new
and
the
comprehensive
plan
for
c
in
terms
of
what
those
docs
are
going
to
look
like
related
to
the
new
concerns
in
the
code
about
environmental
impacts,
seagrasses
and
marine
life.
And
you
talk
about
that
in
this
paragraph.
Could
you
just
give
us
a
little
bit
of
a
right.
V
So
what
staff
did
is
we
just
looked
at
our
area
docs
and
went
to
the
county
website
and
pulled
the
the
permit
to
get
a
look
at
you
know
what
are
the
other
docs
that
are
out
there
and
what
are
the
dates
that
correlate
to
when
they
were
constructed?
V
W
W
W
V
W
W
V
Boat,
isn't
part
of
the
application,
the
application
and
the
code
speak
to
the
dock,
and
that's
what
staff
is
charged
with
looking
at
in.
V
V
E
Know
I
agree
just
testified
that
it
wasn't
the
application
clear
that
it
is
for
purposes
of
the
record.
Did
the
city
do
any
analysis
of
whether
any
dock
between
43
feet
and
81
feet
would
pose
a
threat
to
the
marine
environment,
natural
resources,
wetland
habitats
or
water
quality?.
W
I
do
have
one
more
one
additional
question.
W
In
terms
of
the
view
we've
talked
about,
the
view
isn't
considered
over
a
neighboring
property
owner.
The
view
is
not
in
the
code
as
it
relates
to
whether
this
dock
should
be
approved
or
not,
there's
nothing
in
the
the
code
or
the
law
that
allows
the
board
to
consider
the
impact
of
the
view
on
neighboring
property
owners.
Is
that
correct.
V
Correct
the
the
community
development
code
does
not
include
anything
regarding
a
viewshed.
W
G
For
you,
so
from
your
permitting
point
of
view,
your
job
is
to
see,
if
you
know,
say
I
wonder
where
carry
a
100
pound
refrigerator.
If
I
used
a
large
truck
sign
with
you,
whatever
it
is,
and
it
meets
the
minimum
requirement,
it's
not
you're,
not
you
you!
Your
your
job
is
just
to
make
sure
that
it's
it's
not
less
than
the
code
but
say
they
asked
for
a
200-foot
dock.
Would
that
be
okay
with
you?
G
The
city,
if
the
city
was
the
city,
if
they
asked
for
200,
would
that
be
okay
limits
for
200.
If,
if
you
ask
for
200
instead
of
100,
what
would
in
your
code
would
limit?
I
mean
trying
to
figure
out
who's
governing.
What
here
is
yours
is
to
sort
of
make
everything
work.
Ours
is
to
make
sure
that
it
works
for
the
people.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
see
if
we
both
have
different
hats
here,
which
is
fine
the
way
it
should
be
yeah.
V
I
mean
the
I
don't
know
what
the
initial
intent
of
the
code
was
when
it
was
written
in
1999.
I
wasn't
working
for
the
city
of
clearwater,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
what
the
city
is
charged
with
is
looking
at
our
code
and
comparing
whatever
the
applicant
is
proposing.
V
Where
does
it?
How
does
it
meet
our
code
or
where
does
it
fit
within
whatever
deviations
the
code
is
providing?
That
is
all
we're
charged
with
looking
at
and
then
that
information?
You
know
the
applicant
continues
to
move
on
to
pinellas
county
and
they
get
into
more
of
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
it.
They
have.
You
know
additional
review
because
they're
the
entity
that
issues
the
actual
permit.
We
don't
ever
issue
permits
for
dogs.
G
And
I'm
not
putting
on
the
spot,
I
don't
mean
I'm
just
trying
to
see
whose
hat
where,
where
you
know,
which
are
when
everyone
has
a
different
role
to
play,
did
you
review,
for
we
have
six
guidelines
in
our
in
our
code
here
that
we
have
to
meet
so?
Did
you
review
the
one
that
says?
Will
guideline
number
two
which
will
hinder
will
not
hinder
or
discourage
appropriate
development
and
use
of
len?
G
V
And
the
the
statement
is
provided
in
the
staff
report.
Do
you
want
me
to
read
it
sure?
The
proposal
includes
a
480
foot
square
foot
dock,
which
is
important
to
note,
because
our
code
then
says
somewhere
below
when
you
get
into
another
section,
any
dock
that
is
500
square
feet
or
greater
automatically
falls
into
a
different
category,
whether
it's
for
a
single
family
home
or
whether
it's
for
a
hotel.
V
It
then
pushes
it
into
a
different
type
of
review.
So
it's
critical
that
you
know
it
was
stated.
This
dock
meets
that
level
of
review,
for
it
to
be
considered
less
than
the
500
square
feet.
So
I'm
sorry,
I
digress,
but
the
proposed
dock
is
typical
of
nearby
waterfront
properties.
V
V
Mark
perry,
wrote
this
staff
report,
so
it
does
say
the
word
visual
in
it
and
I
would
have
to
pull
up
the
actual
code
of
the
general
applicability
criteria
to
the
let's
see
here
the
code
is
listed,
it
does,
it
does
mention
the
design
of
proposed
development,
so,
under
the
one
element
of
the
general
applicability
criteria,
it
does
in
include
a
visual
acoustic,
olfactory
and
hours
of
operation
impacts
on
adjacent
properties,
but
it
doesn't
it's
not
specifically
talking
about
a
view
shed
or
protecting
a
view
of
somebody
else's
across
somebody's
property.
V
You
would
have
to
ask
mr
seaman
who
wrote
the
code.
I
think
he
passed
away,
so
none
of
us
can.
D
V
Yeah
and
the
general
applicability
criteria,
every
single
application
must
answer
those
questions.
Then
it
goes
on
and
the
specific
criteria,
which
relates
to
the
flexibility
that
they're
seeking
this
is
not
a
variance.
Our
code
doesn't
include
that
process.
This
is
flexibility,
and
our
code
specifically
talks
about
deviation
and
that
deviation,
that's
being
provided
for
is
within
the
extent
of
the
environmentally
sensitive
resources.
W
I
have
one
final
question
now
based
on
mr
flannery's
line
of
questions
that
hopefully
will
help
us
out
so
he's
talking
about
the
general
applicability
criteria.
Final
number,
six
section,
3-914
a6,
it
says
the
design
of
the
proposed
development
minimizes
adverse
effects,
including
visual
acoustic
and
olfactory
and
hours
of
operation,
impacts
on
adjacent
properties.
W
So,
as
it
relates
to
this
criteria,
it's
talking
about
the
design
of
the
dock
in
this
case,
and
that
would
be
potentially
an
architectural
design
feature
and
that
usually
is
being
applied
to
a
structure
that
is
not
a
dock
correct,
and
in
this
case
we
aren't
building
a
house
correct,
even
though
we
could
and
the
code
doesn't
dictate
the
size
of
the
boat
lift,
it
only
dictates
the
length
of
the
dock
correct,
correct.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
G
V
Is
very
we'll
have
a
house,
but
you
can
only
have
a
covered
roof
over
boat
lift,
but
that
is
not
included
with
this.
G
V
Well,
once
again,
the
that
applicability
criteria
is
typically
written,
for
you
know,
let's
say
something:
that's
going
to
generate
a
lot
of
traffic
physically
to
the
site
it
it's
not.
You
know
they're,
it's
not
factoring,
specifically
in
a
dock
per
se,
and
because
this
is
a
boating
community,
where
pretty
much
everybody
else,
property
along
all
of
the
fingers
of
island
estates
has
the
opportunity,
if
they
don't
already
to
have
a
boat
and
have
a
dock.
V
G
Just
on
the
health
and
safety
issue,
as
was
shown
on
this
previous
drawing
a
significant
concern,
is
the
fact
to
me.
This
is
to
me
is
that
people
travel
along.
I
know
it
says
no
wake
zone,
but
that
means
they
go
anything
they
go
fast
and
the
fact
that
it's
going
to
jam
them
all
the
way
out
into
that
waterway.
I
mean
they're
going
along
as
they
do
now
and
in
front
of
my
house
the
same
way,
and
they
have
to
go
way
out
around.
G
V
G
W
AA
I'm
eric
gandy
how
the
director
of
marine
in
aviation-
I
have
testified
before
council
or
spoken
before
council
many
times,
but
this
will
be
my
first
appearance
before
everyone
here
so
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
once
I
follow
up
with
you.
W
Thank
you
prior
to
becoming
the
director
of
muni
aviation
did
you
spend
a
basically
a
professional
lifetime
of
public
service
as
a
clearwater
police
department
officer.
AA
AA
Correct
it
probably.
W
W
It's
fair
to
say,
as
a
lifelong
law
enforcement
officer,
public
safety
is
most
important
to
you.
Is
that
correct,
that's
correct,
and
in
reviewing
this
application
you
took
into
consideration
life
safety
issues.
Is
that
correct?
I
did,
and
you
found
this
application
to
me
to
exceed
the
criteria
for
approval.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,
I've
got
a
diagram
here
that
shows
the
depths
and
it
shows
the
depths
out
to
the
slow
speed
marker
alignment.
AA
Any
vessel
operator
has
to
maintain
control
their
vessel
at
all
times
and
be
responsible
for
their
wake
and
what
they're
doing
that's
not
happening
there.
Clearly.
So
certainly
I
made
a
mental
note
to
call
my
counterparts
at
the
pd
and
have
a
conversation
about
that
enforcement
because
it
did
come
up,
as
I
was
the
patrol
major
and
then
later,
as
the
deputy
chief
of
people
violating
that
no
wake
zone.
AA
But
in
consideration
for
this
I
looked
at
those
tie
poles,
specifically
as
an
issue
only
at
night
and
only
under
conditions
where
I
suspected
people
would
be
respecting
the
no
wake
zone.
So
that
was
my
evaluation
at
that
time
and
made
the
recommendation
regarding
reflective
material
on
those
tie
poles.
AA
I
will
tell
you
that
that
certainly
my
department
is
responsible
for
maintaining
that
no
wake
zone
with
the
expectation
that
people
respect
that
no
wake
zone,
it's
not
a
channel.
It's
not
designed
to
delineate
a
channel
to
traverse
it's
to
exclude
people
on
plane.
So
that's
the
idea
behind
a
no-wake
zone.
AA
I
will
say
I'll:
have
my
staff
evaluate
the
distances
as
per
the
ordinance
under
which
it
was
established?
So
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
the
enforcement
component.
But
beyond
that,
I
didn't
see
an
issue
when
I
took
into
account
there's
a
70
foot,
six
foot
dock,
several
houses
away
and
someone
could
conceivably
come
and
tie
a
boat
with
18
foot
beam
and
effectively
do
the
same
thing,
because
that
was
my
consideration
for
this
particular
project.
W
AA
Yeah,
there's
nothing
that
precludes
you
from
end
tying
to
any
of
these.
These
docks
so
conceivably.
You
could
come
tight
to
the
end
of
any
of
one
of
these
longer
docks
parallel
to
the
seawall.
I
wouldn't
do
it,
it
might
tear
up
your
boat,
but
you
could
do
it
and
there's
nothing
that
we
could
say.
No,
you
can't
do
that
and.
W
So
what
we're
talking
about
from
the
safety
issue?
It's
really
an
enforcement
issue-
is
that
right,
based
on
what
I
saw
absolutely
and
in
your
experience
you
know
it.
It
seems,
like
you
know,
from
your
experience
that
you
did.
You
don't
feel
like
this
application,
and
the
design
of
this
doc
poses
any
kind
of
public
safety
issue
and
that
the
issue
related
to
the
videos
that
you
saw
is
really
an
enforcement
issue.
That's
unrelated
to
this
application
is
that
fair.
W
Here,
we've
got
three
tide:
poles
at
861,
harbor,
island
and
we've
got
a
76-foot
dock
on
a
70-foot
dock
right
down
the
street.
Can
you
just
explain
again
in
your
professional
opinion?
What
are
we
seeing
in
this
picture
and
what
does
that
mean
from
your
perspective?
Is
it
life
safety
issues.
AA
I
didn't
see
them.
I
I
thought
that
nighttime
operations
is
high
poles,
but
you
should
be
operating
off
plane
at
a
slow
speed
which
negates
that
problem.
W
AA
Yes,
so
the
old,
the
dunedin
pass
channel
markers
are
still
in
existence
on
the
north
side
of
that
east-west
channel,
and
it's
probably
five
six
hundred
feet
off
off
the
sea
wall
there
to
those
markers
and
you've
got
pretty
good
water
all
the
way
through
there.
Thank
you.
Those
are
all
my
questions.
AA
J
AA
Yeah
I
mean
after
seeing
what
what
mr
president
had
and
some
of
the
neighbors
have
spoken
on.
Certainly
our
anticipated
behavior
and
actual
behavior
are
quite
different,
but
I
see
that
probably
based
on
my
law
enforcement
background.
As
an
enforcement
issue,
I
mean
that's
a
problem
when
they're
ripping
around
that
corner.
AA
G
AA
Tie
poles
throughout
the
city,
that's
not
a
unique
feature
and,
and
and
I
think
that's
the
misunderstanding,
what
what
you
know
18
feet
beyond
that
dock,
when
the
tide
poles
could
be
50,
I
don't
know
the
purpose
for
a
50-foot
type
hole
in
my
own
opinion,
but
they're
tie
poles
all
over
the
place.
They're
unmarked
type
holes
all
over
the
place.
Oh.
G
G
Because
I
know
personally,
I
do
see
a
on
behavior
on
behalf
of
the
city,
the
the
most
concern.
I
have
really
is
the
type
holes
a
lot
of
the
points
that
are
being
made.
I
can
I'm,
I'm
I'm
open
on
understanding
the
tide.
Poles
really
give
me
a
lot
of
worry
because
they
are
really.
Why
are
we
thinking?
You
know
some?
We
can
give
them
a
ticket
if
they
crash
into
the
tide,
poles.
G
Well,
I've
worked
for
the
utilities
for
years
and,
having
sued
many
times
for
lights,
getting
trucks
getting
run
into
with
all
their
lights
on
they
they
still
get
sued
up
to
kazoo,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
the
city
getting
sued
for
tie
poles
out
in
the
middle
of
where
which
also
could
be
used
to
plant
a
third
boat
out
there
on
that
on.
That,
so
is.
G
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
that
does
okay,
but
I
do
yes,
I
am
making
a
statement
here.
So
thank
you,
but
that's
what
I
want
to
know
and
have
your
your
opinion
on
that
which
I
appreciate.
Thank
you
and.
W
I
hope
you'll
retrieve
them.
You
want
to
move
on
with
the
other
cause.
Q
So,
as
I
heard
you
present
to
the
board,
you've
been
aware
of
this
area
for
many
many
years
couple
decades.
Was
that
correct,
right
and
you've
recognized
it.
As
I
heard
you
say,
as
a
problem
area
that
people
don't
respect
the
wake
area,
and
I
believe
I
also
heard
you
say
that
you're
aware
that
people
don't
respect
wake
here
or
they
come
in
close
to
this
area,
cutting
the
corner.
AA
A
AA
Q
AA
They've
taken
enforcement
issues
in
the
past
and
and
the
challenge
you
have
any
kind
of
and
I'll
speak
to
it
from
a
law
enforcement
background.
I
guess
is
what
you
want
me
to
do,
but
anytime
you
take
enforcement
action.
It
has
to
have
it's
a
learned
behavior,
so
you
may
not
necessarily
enforce
from
the
same
people
that
tell
two
friends
and
tell
two
friends
and
get
the
reputation
of
enforcement.
Q
Q
V
A
Q
B
M
Well,
I
was
confused
on
when
they
when
they
asked
about
the
the
attorney
asked
the
talk
builder
about.
M
My
question
is
regarding
the
question
from
the
attorney
about
the
dock
builder
and
the
size
of
the
boat:
does
that
dictate
how
far
out
you're
going
to
put
the
the
lift
and
the
size
of
lift
and
things
like
that?
If
it
was
a
30
foot
boat,
would
you
need
a
66
000
pound
lift?
Would
it
have
to
be
that
far
out?
So
I
would
like
some
clarification.
Just
from
my
perspective,
if
you
have
a
very
big
draft
boat,
you
need
to
be
in
deeper
water.
Y
M
What
he
said
is
well
we'll
put
our
50-foot
boat
sideways
one
boat,
not
two,
and
he
said
we'll
just
go
out
build
a
dock
won't
be
any
big
deal
and
they
didn't
want
to
do
that,
and
I
said,
sounds
fine
with
me,
but
they
didn't.
They
said
they
didn't
want
to
block
their
view.
So
that
was
an
option.
They
said
single
vote,
not
two.
You
described
two
a
single
slip.
He
was
talking
to
me
about
a
single
slip,
but
the
question
is.
Y
And
this
is
the
answer,
the
attorney's
question:
you
know
how
far
out
would
we
have
to
go
if
you
could
zoom
in
how
far
would
we
have
to
go?
If
you
paralleled
the
boats?
Roughly
speaking,
I
came
out
40
feet
right.
I
gave
an
extra
five
feet
in
buffer
for
this.
For
the
seagrass
I
have
an
18
foot
slip
for
the
smaller
boat
and
then
the
20
foot
for
the
bigger
boat.
The
overall
length
is
89
feet.
Y
Yeah
I
mean
so
it's
longer
it's
and-
and
I
don't
recommend
it
because
to
access
the
slips.
You
impact
the
neighbor
to
the
south,
which
I
believe
is
you
right.
That's
me
so,
if
you're
willing,
I
guess
I
don't
want
to
tell
them
you're
if
you're
willing
to
give
up
your
right
to
never
build
the
doctor
so
that
we
always
have
access
to
their
slip.
Y
M
Neighbor,
oh,
you
make
perfect
sense.
I
I
just
feel
like
we're
trying
to
put
10
pounds
of
sugar
in
a
five
pound
bag
you
if
they
would,
you
could
purchase
a
lot
that
can
facilitate
large
boats.
You
get
to
a
point
where
you're
trying
to
you're
trying
to
build
a
marina
at
an
84-foot
lot.
That's
I
mean
it's
just
my
question
is:
do
you
see
this
often
that
people
want
to
take
a
small?
Our
lots
are
small.
You
can
go,
spend
some
serious
money
and
get
some
real
waterfront
lots.
M
Y
One
boat:
I
think
you
have
a
large
lot.
I
think
it's
very
wide,
because
we
can
accommodate
the
entire
dock
structure
without
asking
for
any
setback
variances
to
set
that
we're
only
asking
for
a
variance
to
the
length.
So
we
can
get
beyond
the
seagrass
because
of
the
size
of
the
boat,
which
I
get
is
connected.
No
we're
only
we're
only
asking
for
42
feet.
The
usable
portion
of
that
dock
is
only
42
feet,
which
we
have
every
right
to
get.
M
One
other-
and
this
is
when
you
guys
I
mean
we've
met
before
when
you
guys
were
out
doing
the
survey.
I
asked
you,
I
don't
know
if
you
were
one
of
the
other
gentlemen.
You
said
that
yeah
we
did
one
in
saint
pete
and
they
got
out
of
the
you
know
to
cancel
the
contract
because
it
had
sea
grass.
So
that's
a
kind
of
a
taboo
and
I
don't
know
it
was
you
know
that
was
one
that
wasn't,
maybe
a
younger
guy.
That
was,
in
my
yard,
doing
some
stuff.
M
You
know
he
was
on
the
boat
with
you
guys,
but
I
said
well
what
happens
if
you
own
the
lot
and
he
said
well,
there
are
mitigation,
you
can
you
can
there's
companies
that
replant
seagrass
in
the
surrounding
area?
So
if
you,
if
you
are
only
allowed
to
go
out
42
feet,
you
can
he
said
you
can
pay
people
do
it.
You
pay
to
get
this
seagrass
different,
seagrass
replanted
in
the
area,
and
then
you
don't
have
to
go
out
as
far
it
might.
Y
X
X
Okay
and
there'll
be
people
with
literature
and
articles
and
publications.
Oh
we
replanted
this,
and
we
planted
that
that
I'll.
That
all
sounds
good,
but
it's
not
the
case.
The
seagrass
is
the
one
of
the
highest
level
of
natural
communities,
just
like
a
cypress
stone
and
you
can't
go
out
and
build
a
cypress
dome
overnight
same
with
sea
grass,
so
you
could
but
you're
going
to
be
throwing
up,
throwing
away
money.
M
D
Okay,
I
have
some
experience
with
doing
exactly
that.
I've
been,
I
was
a
civil
engineer
and
civil
designer
for
years.
The
problem
with
it
is,
you
can
try,
but
as
he
said
until
it's
rooted
every
time
the
tide
there's
a
it,
takes
the
seagrass
away
and
then
dep
or
whichever
is
going
to
monitor
it,
they'll
be
coming
out
every
year
for
10
years
to
see
if
it's
planted
and
if
it's
not
you
have
to
recede
replant
replant
replant
you,
you
can't
protect
it.
A
B
S
Keeps
on
coming
up
that
it's
not
the
size
of
the
boat,
that's
dictating
this,
but
then
everything
that
I'm
hearing
is
the
size
of
the
boat
dictates
this.
So
I
just
want
some
clarification
from
either
the
dock
builder
or
the
attorney
whether
the
size
of
the
boat
is
dictating
this
I
mean
if
they
had
a
24
foot
boat,
28-foot
boat
and
they
can
build
a
dock
parallel
to
the
sea
wall
and
not
have
any
issues.
W
B
S
Him
go
right
ahead.
Well
I
mean,
can
you
have
something
beyond
a
kayak
parallel
to
the
seawall?
Can
you
have
a
28-foot
boat
parallel
to
the
seawall,
with
the
lift
parallels
to
the
sea
ball?
It's
all
I'm
asking
and
not
extend
near
as
far
out
as
you
can
there's
a
lot
of
manila
states.
If
you
drive
around
there's
that's
a
little
bit.
S
S
Yeah,
I
remember
that
diagram
and
you
were
mentioning
that
you
cannot
get
into
that
without
going
across
that
lot.
I
and
I
dispute
that.
I
think
if
you
had
a
50-foot
boat.
Yes,
you
couldn't
you're
right,
but
if
you
had
a
28-foot
boat
you
could.
I
see
it
on
iowa
states
down
every
single
canal.
There
are
multiple
boats
that
are
parallel
to
the
sea
wall.
There's
no
issues
with
getting
into
the
lift
whatsoever
and
you're
saying
in
this
particular
case,
it's
not
possible
and
my
question
my
question
is
you:
it's?
Y
You
couldn't
do
it
with
the
other,
smaller
30-foot
boat,
that
they're
proposing
to
put
here,
because
this
stuff,
this
stock,
can't
be
any
closer
than
20
feet
from
this,
and
this
is
the
scale
can't
be
any
closer
than
20.
The
lip
balm
is
right.
No,
the
dock
structure
itself
can't
be
any
closer
to
20
feet.
So
you
move
this
over
to
here.
S
20.
you're
left
well
you're
putting
you're
putting
the
lift
on
the
other
side
of
the
dock.
I'm
saying
you
terminate
the
dock
and
then
you
put
the
left
there
you're,
putting
the
lift
on
the
other
side
of
docking
yeah
right
that
way,
you're
getting
it
closer
to
the
property
line.
I'm
saying
terminate
the
dock
then
put
the
lift
out
there.
There's
dozens
and
dozens
of
lifts
on
the
united
states
like
that,
but
dozens
but
and
you're
saying
that's
not
possible.
No
anything's.
Y
Yeah
anything's
possible,
but
the
property
owner
has
a
right
to
have
two
mooring
locations
right,
interesting
and
we're
asking
for
just
two
well.
I
actually
got
some
three,
no
because
when
this,
when
this
boat
sits
on
this
lift,
you
can't
mow
a
boat
there,
because
the
the
the
stern
on
the
boat's
gonna
stick
out
slightly
past
that
piling.
So
you
can't
put
any.
S
Y
S
Two
and
two
excuse
me
in
five
years
the
way
he
answered
that
question.
He
said
if
you
put
two
a
boat
on
each
lift,
you
could
put
a
boat
there.
It
couldn't
be
a
50-foot
boat,
but
it
could
be
about
there
in
my
mind,
I
understand
that
as
a
morning
slip
now,
how's
that
that's
not
interpreted
as
immortal
life
is
beyond
me.
Okay,.
Y
Y
S
Understand,
which
is
I
understand,
you
don't
keep
on
going
with
that?
What
he's
trying
to
establish
is
that
you
can
put
a
boat,
let's
say
on
a
catwalk
where
there's
no
typos,
yes,
you
could,
but
in
the
under
the
under
the
definition
of
the
city
of
clearwater
or
or
even
in
the
county,
that
is
not
a
mourning
slope.
Could
you
put
a
boat
there?
Yes,
but
it's
not
concerned
okay,.
T
It's
tough,
we
greeks,
you
know,
if
you
can
spell
it
now,
you'd
be
an
honorary
greek.
I
wish
my
wife
were
here
because
she
would
articulate
this
better
than
myself.
You
know
we
talk
about
sea
grass
and
sea
life
she's
one
about
human
life.
I
mean
this
is
an
accident
waiting
to
happen.
It's
not
like.
We
don't
want
somebody
to
have
a
dock
okay,
but
when
you
stick
it
out
there
a
hundred
feet
with
tide,
poles
and
everything
I
mean
it's
an
accident
waiting
to
happen.
T
I
know
when
I
belong
to
carnival
yacht
club.
You
know
I
live
about
10
doors
south
of
this
location
at
15
whatever,
but
both
come
flying
through
there.
A
lot
of
boats
going
to
carnival
to
and
from
are
you
know
they
reciprocate
with
other
yacht
clubs.
They
come
through,
they
don't
know.
What's
around
the
corner,
they
come
zipping
through
there
same
with
the
other
way
I
mean
and
then
on
bad
weather
days.
T
Sometimes
blinding
rain
boats
are
rushing
like
heck,
getting
back
home
to
get
their
boats
put
away,
and
I
mean
I
can't
even
see
him
hardly
and
they're
going
100
miles
an
hour
to
get
back
to
their
dog
they're,
going
to
hit
something
if
they
make
that
corner
sharp.
So
we've
got
to
keep
that
in
mind.
I
think,
because
we're
looking
at
a
lawsuit
waiting
to
happen,
not
just
you
know
you
folks,
on
the
board,
but
the
taxpayers,
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
millions
of
dollars
in
lawsuits
down
the
road.
T
I
know
a
friend
of
mine
represented
the
kid
that
you
know
died
and
not
didn't
die,
got
paralyzed
from
the
accident
on
gulf
debate
with
hulk,
hogan's
son.
I
mean
that
kid
got
a
lot.
You
know
the
family
got
a
you
know
multi-million
dollars
with
kids
paralyzed
for
life,
we're
going
to
be
ruining
families
for
lives.
If
we
continue
to
take
a
chance
like
this,
I
mean
it's
sad
but
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
harm
and
a
lot
of
sadness
and
a
lot
of
families.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AB
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
brad,
mike
it's
m-e-I
and
as
an
anti-ck
and
I
live
at
720
harbor
island.
I'd
first
like
to
start
off
by
saying
thank
you
for
your
service
and
serving
our
city.
I
don't
think
that
any
of
our
neighbors
wants
to
keep
our
another
neighbor
from
getting
their
rights
to
have
a
boat.
AB
You
wouldn't
have
had
81
homeowners
on
island
estate,
sign
a
petition
they're
not
signing
for
that.
There's
a
perception
that
it's
it's
a
danger,
and
I'm
also
here
representing
carlawell
yacht
club,
1039,
10
39
el
dorado
avenue,
and
we
already
have
a
challenge
now
with
larger
boats
as
they
try
to
transit.
They
can't
go
through
the
mandalay
channel
because
of
the
ridge
height.
AB
So
there
are
times
where
some
of
our
boats
up
to
90
feet
cannot
get
through
due
to
the
depth
of
the
water,
so
they
hug
the
the
shoreline
now
they're,
not
traveling
at
high
speeds.
But
when
you
have
that
wet
slip
at
the
t,
that's
not
lit
it's
dark
fog,
whatever
there
could
be
an
issue
with
somebody
not
seeing
it,
because
this
is
a
thirty
percent
premium.
AB
AB
Hopefully
I'm
not
on
video
violating
no
egg
zones,
but
at
night
at
night
it
is
dark
to
the
east,
and
so
I
try
to
stay
as
close
as
I
can
to
the
shore,
so
that
I
have
some
light,
because
I
don't
really
go
without
a
light.
I
mean
I
don't
have
a
spotlight
that
I
use.
So
I
don't
think
this
is
about
us
interpreting
the
city
code.
I
don't
think
this
is
about
us
keeping
our
neighbor
from
having
their
right
as
a
property
owner.
AB
I
think
this
is
about
there's
a
perception
that
there
could
be
a
safety
issue,
and
so
I
know
you
have
a
very
difficult
decision,
but
hopefully
you'll
take
into
consideration.
Maybe
some
studies
warranted
to
determine
whether
or
not
having
those
tie
poles
with
a
wet
slip
at
the
end?
That's
not
lit.
I
don't
know
that
the
reflective
material
on
the
pile
is
actually
going
to
to
do
that
because
I'll
tell
you.
AB
AB
Z
You
know
interesting
listening
to
the
city
and
the
planners,
I
have
two
lifts
on
my
dock.
My
seawall
is
about
83
84
foot
wide.
I
was
denied
an
extension,
so
I'm
right
about
40
feet.
I
have
two
lifts.
I
was
not
allowed
to
put
in
tight
poles
on
my
40-foot
dock
and
was
actually
told,
while
in
the
city
offices,
that
it
would
potentially
be
a
hazard
to
boats
going
by
who
wouldn't
expect
them
out
that
far.
Z
So
this
is
about
half
the
distance
of
what
we're
talking
about
and
I'm
all
the
way
down
the
middle,
where
you're
not
being
funneled
through
that
corner.
So
I
think
there's
a
little
disparity
or
discrepancy
in
how
we're
treating
different
residents
for
some
reason.
I
don't
quite
know
why
the
second
piece
of
it
is,
I
have
four
children,
7
10,
10
and
12,
and
they
do
wakeboard
they
tube
they
kayak
and
my
wife
does
as
well
what
this
would
do
as
we
go
to
go
around
the
island
which
we
do
with
the
children.
Z
Z
I
would
love
my
tide
poles.
Today
too,
I
don't
have
them
so
please
consider
the
safety
aspect
of
it.
I
know
there's
ways
around
things
and
attorneys
like
to
get
cute
with
laws
and
regulations
and
twist
them
a
little
bit,
but
you
have
been
misled
to
what
that
area
is
what
that
funnel
would
look
like
from
a
safety
perspective,
especially
for
my
four
young
children,
who
are
out
there
on
a
weekend
basis.
K
You
know,
for
all
the
reasons
he
just
stated:
the
safety
of
the
kids
kayaks
paddle
boards
coming
around
that
then
that
needs
to
be
considered
on
this.
As
far
as
those
eight
ties
that
you're
running
for
boat,
if
you
all
really
think
they're
not
gonna
bore
another
third
boat,
there
we're
in
la
la
land
they're
specifically
putting
that
there
for
a
third
boat,
because
if
you
can't
maneuver
a
50-foot
boat
into
a
slip,
you
shouldn't
be
driving
a
50-foot
boat.
So
let's
get
real
about
that.
K
K
K
AC
The
granting
of
the
requested
deviation
will
be
in
harmony,
harmony
with
the
general
intent
and
purpose
of
this
section
and
will
not
be
injurious.
I
may
not
be
pronouncing
that
correctly
injurious,
I
believe,
to
the
area
involved
or
otherwise,
detrimental
or
of
adverse
effect
to
the
public
interest
and
welfare.
AC
AC
I've
lived
out
there
on
island
estates
for
21
years,
and
it
is
a
beautiful
community,
I'm
truly
blessed
and
you
guys
have
done
a
great
job
of
enforcing
rules
out
there.
We
have
I'm
going
to
tell
you.
I've
never
heard
so
much
concern
complaint
about
this
issue,
and
this
was
just
one
street
that
I
walked.
So
you
all
need
to
know
that
people
are
very
concerned.
I
think
we
need
to
consider
public
welfare,
that's
you
and
this
slip
business.
AC
That's
out
at
the
end,
get
ready,
because
you're
going
to
have
everybody
on
out
of
the
states
want
one
of
those
slips
for
that
purpose.
We'll
put
we'll
sign
we'll,
say:
hey
we're
not
going
to
use
it
other
than
for
that
purpose.
Believe
me,
you're,
going
to
have
to
staff
up
like
crazy
to
enforce
that
rule,
because
I'll
be
the
first
in
line
for
that
back
it
down.
That
is
crazy,
and
what
does
that
have
to
do
that
slip?
AC
B
C
We'll
now
go
on
to
closing
remarks
by
the
planning
and
development
staff.
None
closing
remarks
by
persons
granting
party
status
stay
in
the
same
order.
Please.
Q
Q
Our
opinion,
the
criteria
is,
it
fails.
Minimum
variance
or
minimum
request
fails
reasonable
fails,
safety
fails,
character,
fails
scale
and
a
lot
of
it
is
about
a
big
boat
and
the
best
question
came
from
mr
flannery
who
asked
that
question,
because
what
speaks
loudest
is
what
no
one
was
told
or
disclosed
or
had
transparency,
and
that
was
the
size
of
a
very
large
boat
and
a
sixty
six
thousand
pound
lift.
Q
Q
M
Can
we
get
close
to
the
microphone?
Please
I'm
learning,
but
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all
for
your
service
to
our
community.
It's
very
important
and
I
appreciate
it.
I'm
not
gonna
you've
heard
everything.
I
don't
have
any
new
new
information.
It
is
about
safety.
I
mean
I
don't
wanna.
I
don't
wanna
see
somebody
decapitated
at
the
house
next
to
me
the
dock.
Next,
to
me,
I
don't
wanna
see
a
tragedy.
M
I
don't
wanna
be
part
of
that,
but
you
know
please
do
the
right
thing
and
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
service.
Thank
you.
W
Good
afternoon
again,
mr
chair
board
members,
brian
unks,
on
behalf
of
the
snyders,
who
are
still
very
happy
and
excited
to
be
moving
here
to
clearwater
and
are
looking
forward
to
being
very
good
neighbors
going
forward.
They
understand
the
concerns
that
their
neighbors
have.
We
feel
respectfully
that
we've
answered
all
of
those
concerns.
Your
harbor
master,
former
lifelong
law
enforcement
officer,
director
of
the
marine
division
founder
of
the
marine
division.
Intimately
familiar
with
this
area
has
answered
all
your
questions.
W
W
W
Your
neighbor
doesn't
get
to
tell
you
in
the
united
states
of
america
how
large
your
boat
gets
to
be.
Okay.
What
is
in
front
of
you
is
the
criteria
in
section
3-601,
specifically
related
to
docs
docs
may
go
up
to
a
maximum
of
250
feet.
Okay,
the
maximum
length
is
250
feet
that
could
be
asked
for
in
this
case.
As
of
right,
we
can
go
to
42
feet
in
this
case.
The
law
says
we
can't
start
until
we
get
to
40
feet.
W
So
all
we're
doing
is
adding
the
as
of
right
length
to
the
earliest
place
that
we
can
start
per
pinellas
county
water
navigation
in
the
city
of
clearwater,
as
it
relates
to
impacts
on
marine
facilities
and
the
seagrass.
So
your
job
today
is
to
apply
the
law.
The
fountain
blue
case
is
very
clear.
You
do
not
have
a
right
to
a
view
of
your
neighbor's
property,
the
visual
impacts,
minimizes,
the
adverse
visual
impacts,
that's
talking
about
architectural
features
and
that's
really
talking
about
more
traditional
structures,
not
docs.
Mr
gandy
is
an
expert
on
safety.
W
We've
talked
about
the
kathleen
bay
versus
fagin
case
out
of
the
second
dca
that
case
talks
about
what's
competent,
substantial
evidence
in
a
land
use
hearing
and
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
lay
witness
testimony
about
noise
safety.
Those
types
of
things
is
not
complex,
substantial
evidence.
We
have
followed
the
law,
we
have
followed
the
rules,
we
are
and
will
be
good
neighbors
we're
asking
for
the
minimum
that
we're
entitled
to
ask
for
it's
a
property
right
respectfully.
W
B
E
To
deliberate,
I
just
want
to
note
a
couple
of
items.
The
first
is
that
a
petition
has
been
submitted
to
the
clerk.
I
don't
believe
y'all
have
seen
it,
but
if
you
have
I'm
going
to
instruct
you
to
disregard
it
in
your
deliberations
and
for
the
simple
reason
that
the
people
who
signed
it,
some
of
them
may
be
or
may
not
be-
I
don't
know,
but
they
are
not
here
to
be
cross-examined
and
for
you
to
judge
their
credibility.
E
Okay,
so
it
is
not.
It
is
not
really
permissible
for
you
to
rely
on
on
those
things.
You've
not
been
able
to
see
them
hear
them.
The
applicant,
moreover,
has
not
been
able
to
cross-examine
them
and
to
test
the
weight
or
sufficiency
of
their
evidence.
Okay.
E
E
Your
attention
any-
and
I
think
that
he's
correct-
that
section,
3-601
c
g3,
all
those
subsections
guide
you
here,
a
through
d,
yes,
a
dock
up
to
250
feet
is
permitted
by
the
code.
That's
the
max
that
you
could
absolutely
that
you
could
consider
if
the
request
was
for
251,
it
wouldn't
be
before
you,
but
the
as
of
right
length
is,
I
think,
42
feet.
E
That
criteria
dovetails
with
subsection
c,
where
it
says
that
the
deviations
sought
to
be
granted
is
the
minimum
deviation
that
will
make
possible
the
reasonable
use
of
the
applicant's
property,
and
I
say
that
because
ms
huck
testified
that
the
clearwater
code
does
not
provide
for
variance
I'm
going
to
respectfully
but
forcefully
disagree
in
this
instance.
E
This
is
these
criteria
are
variance
criteria.
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
of
doing
variance,
applications
for
docs
up
and
down
the
beaches
for
many
years,
and
those
are
the
criteria
established
by
common
law
for
variants
and
then
subsequently
codified
in
many
city
and
county
codes
throughout
the
state.
E
Those
are
just
you
can
call
it
a
deviation.
You
can
call
it
a
you
know,
you
can
call
it
a
variance.
You
can
call
a
basketball,
a
basketball,
a
round
thing
or
a
spherical
object,
but
you
call
it
a
variance
or
a
deviation.
It's
it's
a
variance
under
under
the
law
here.
So
he
is
mr
angst
is
correct.
You
should
confine-
and
you
have
the
general
criteria
and
then
consider
these
four
criteria,
a
b
c
and
d.
In
your
deliberations.
E
C
K
G
I
I
understand
that
the
applicant
has
a
right
to
build
a
dock,
and
the
code
describes
what
that
can
be
and
they
proceeded
to
build
within
what
they
could
do
with
that
code,
and
it's
agreed,
I
don't
have
any.
I
can't
even
tell
them
what
size
boat
they
could
vote
on.
It
couldn't
tell
my
neighbor
that,
and
I
didn't
even
try,
because
that's
their
they're
right.
G
G
Luckily,
I
had
one
on
my
cell
phone
and
I
could
actually
see
the
islands
before
I
ran
into
them,
but
I'm
not
going
to
see
a
tide
pool
out
there
in
the
middle
of
the
waterway
and
I
don't
care
what
happens.
I've
been
enough
litigation
now
to
know
that
if
you
put
something
that's
a
hazard
that
could
be
interpreted
as
a
hazard
someone's
going
to
pay
for
attorney's
fees
to
battle
that
thing
up,
I
don't
see
any
reason
we
should
stick
our
neck
out
to
the
tide.
Poles
in
the
middle
of
you
can
work.
D
That's
if
you
put
beacon
lights
on
on
if
they
want
channel
markers,
I
don't
know
why
you
couldn't.
G
G
Would
a
very
reasonable
thing
to
ask
now.
My
more
dream,
requests
and
I'll
admit
it's
more
of
a
dream
is
that
we
ask
the
the
pinellas
county
authorities
to
say
what
the
maximum
that
they
will
allow
instead
of
us
saying
we'll,
take
anything
and
you
tell
us,
pull
us
back,
it'd
be
nice
to
see
what
they
said
first
and
then
we
say
we'll
allow
that,
and
I
I
don't
know
how
that
would
really
operate.
I
know
it's
probably
not
the
past
that
things
go
but
the
rest
of
it.
G
I
can
just
say
that
I
I
that
is
my
big
I
wish
we
could
take
out
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
remove
do
not
allow
the
type
holes.
That's
the
only
thing
that
I
would
like
to
that.
I
can
really
do
anything
about,
although
I
feel
with
the
residents
out
there
and
everything
else.
I
I
I
can
only
do
what
the
coach
says
right.
N
O
I
just
have
a
question,
so
is
the
from
the
environmental
impact.
We
can
only
look
at
the
dock
and
not
what
vessels
are
attached
correct.
Okay,.
E
Really,
where
the
boat
comes
in,
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
these
applications
on
what
they
said,
the
boat
was
discussed
today,
but
I've
seen
a
lot
of
applications
where
the
applicants
aren't
quite
as
savvy
as
our
applicants
and
they'll
come
in
and
say
I
need
a
a
lengthier
dock
because
I
got
a
bigger
boat.
I
need
more
draw.
I
need
more
water
right,
that
that
happens
a
lot
and
it
really.
It
really
speaks
to
the
hardship
element
of
the
criteria
before
you.
That's
essentially
considered
a
self-created
hardship
and
it
ordinarily.
O
E
D
B
D
One
of
the
things
that
I
understand
the
concern
of
the
the
homeowners-
I
really
do
one
of
the
problems
that
well
the
point
that
they're
making.
If
somebody's
going
from
around
the
corner,
hit
the
polls,
anybody
who
comes
around
corner
and
hits
the
poles
at
any
speed
is
breaking
the
law,
so
they're
going
to
be
the
ones
responsible
for
the
damage
and
they're
responsible
for
whatever
happens
to
them.
D
So
that's
it's
kind
of
irrelevant
to
this,
because
it's
it's
a
no
wake
zone.
So
that's
that's!
If
they're
going
fast
enough
to
do
damage
they're
going
too
fast,
so
other
than
that
everything
fits
into
it.
I'm
I'm
trying
to
find
a
reason
why
not
to
allow
it
to
happen?
Well,
we
have
no
ordinance
that
says
you
can
only
have
a
40-foot
boat
here
or
you
can
only
have
a
30-foot
boat
here.
We
don't
have
anything
that
says
this.
D
If
you
get
it
into
the
of
the
ordinances
or
into
the
to
what's
we
do
what
we
use
to
take
into
consideration
of
these
permits.
That's
great,
but
it's
not
there.
So
all
of
that's
actually
mute.
So
really
I'm
as
the
permit
stands
as
it
is.
It's
a
legal
permit.
I
I
want
to
say
certainly
on
the
safety
issue.
I
risked
my
own
life
three
days
ago
in
that
same
area
for
two
hours
on
a
paddle
board.
So
I
understand
I
understand
the
challenge
with
remote
traffic
over
there
and
the
safety
I'm
over
there
fairly
often,
I
know
your
neighborhood
well
from
both
the
street
side
and
the
water
side.
So
I
understand
all
that
and
my
challenge
is,
I
don't
know
if
our
ruling
on
this
dock
impacts
the
safety.
I
The
problem,
I
think,
is
mr
gandhi,
said
it's
more:
the
boat
traffic
coming
through
there,
people
speeding
and
people
people
not
not
playing
by
the
rules
and
heavy
boat
traffic
on
particular
times.
I
Our
our
charge
is
that
we
have
to,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
you
know,
apply
the
approval
criteria
and
and
and
weigh
the
competent
substantial
evidence
presented,
and
in
this
particular
case,
all
of
our
expert
witnesses
have
have
said
that
it's
it's
within
the
approval
criteria
and
should
be
approved,
and
so
as
much
as
I
understand
the
concerns
and
and
appreciate
the
the
beauty
of
your
neighborhood
and
the
surrounding
water.
I
think
I
think,
in
this
case,
pretty
limited
in
in
applying
the
evidence.
That's
been
presented
to
the
approval
criteria.
J
Sam,
I
mean
that's
my
problem
too,
is
I
have
my
hands
tied
in
the
public
safety
aspect
that
can
I
deny
a
permit,
based
off
of
that
you
know:
do
the
safety
doo-doo,
as
my
fellow
board
members,
said
bad
actors,
so
to
speak
and
and
how
they
handle
it.
So
because
we're
going
to
have
all
these
people
they're
going
to
act
a
certain
way.
We
can't
allow
this
because
it's
just
going
to
happen.
J
I
don't
have
the
legal
right.
I
think
to
do
that.
I
can
only
stress
that
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
by
the
city
and
enforcement.
I
deal
with
that
on
the
beach
too.
We
have
bad
actors,
no
wake
zone,
people-
and
this
is
something
this
meeting
should
bring
cause
that
we
shouldn't
have
a
problem
that
should
be
continuously
happening
and
we
need
to
do
something
about
it.
The
city
needs
to
invest
in
enforcement
and
and
protect,
because
I
am
a
paddleboarder.
J
I
do
go
out
there
too,
and
it
is
something
that
I
have
children
and
I
want
them
protected
if
I
could
say,
but
I'm
not
my
right
to
deny
a
permit
based
off
of
that
safety
criteria.
Unfortunately,
but
it
is
definitely
well
noted
in
something
that
I
will
personally
be
looking
into
myself
to
make
sure
that
enforcement
does
happen
as
best
as
my
ability.
C
I
don't
know
that
I
would
be
reluctant
to
support
a
proposal
without
the
tide
polls
either
mike,
but
I
do
know
that
this
permit
will
have
to
be
reviewed.
It
doesn't
stop
here
if
it
goes
through.
Pinellas
county
is
going
to
look
at.
This
dep
is
going
to
my
belief
is
going
to
have
regulation
on
this.
If
not
swift
mud,
I'm
not
sure
about
that,
but
there's
going
to
be
additional.
C
C
My
first
comment
was
also
to
do
about
something
horizontal
parallel
to
the
to
the
shore
as
well,
but
then,
and
when
you
came
up
here,
I'm
like
if
I
was
that
neighbor
doing
it,
but
that
boat
would
be
pulling
in
front
of
my
backyard
every
day
to
pull
in
and
pull
out.
I
think
would
be
more
detrimental
to
me
as
the
neighbor
than
somebody
coming
straight
in
straight
out,
so
I
wouldn't
want
that.
C
So
I
I
I
think
I
got
to
lay
it
right
there,
but
I'm
just
hoping
if
there's
a
motion
on
the
board
one
way
or
the
other.
G
It
needs
the
you
need
the
reading
out
of
your
book,
though
mike
you
need
that
hold
on
it's
in
your
book
mike
I
got
the
book
yeah
it's
in
there
number.
G
C
G
The
tie,
poles
are
the
four
that
are
beyond
the
into
the
beyond
the
dock.
Okay,
so,
okay.
A
G
E
All
right
before
you
vote
on
the
motion,
I've
been
advised
by
or
requested
by
attorney,
aung
to
confirm
which
tide
poles
per
slice
we're
talking
about.
It
looks
to
me
like.
There
are
tide
poles
generally
to
the
south
and
north
at
approximately
the
same
parallel
line.
B
C
But
with
amended
yeah,
that's
gonna,
be
that
yeah,
you
could
just
say
with
amended
approval
with.
C
P
B
V
And
this
is
for
a
project
at
24.25,
mcmullen,
booth,
road
and
an
unaddressed
parcel
right.
Next
to
it.
The
applicant
has
requested
a
one-year
extension
from
the
community
development
board
for
the
case
number
and
address
as
mentioned,
and
this
is
to
extend
the
deadline
to
apply
for
building
construction
permit
to
june
16
of
2023.
V
Any
other
extension
must
come
to
the
board
and
at
the
given
time,
because
of
the
delays
with
the
supply
chain
and
building
materials,
the
applicant
is
requesting
that
one
year
extension
from
you,
I
can
tell
you
that
there
are
permits
on
file
with
our
office.
They
have
one
permit
issued
for
clearing
and
grubbing.
That
is
not
necessarily
a
substantial
enough
permit.
V
You
can't
start
construction
with
that,
so
the
other
applications
that
are
on
file
are
in
review,
but
they're,
just
they're,
so
close
and
yet
so
far
away
so
they're
asking
for
the
one
year
extension
we.
V
D
C
C
I
D
I
would
most
to
extend
it
the
year.
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
have
the
information
in
front
of
me
so.
C
Director,
it's
not
a
level
two
application,
so
it's
just
a
motion
and
approval
j
on
this
thing.
Is
it
just
motion
a
motion
to
approve
somebody
wants
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
fld
to
read
the
case
number.
G
If
you
want
to
yeah,
I
moved
fld
like
time
extension
for.