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So
we've
assembled
a
lot
of
information
to
share
with
you
today,
I
apologize
that
it
is
a
lot
and
it
may
be
a
little
bit
overwhelming.
Please
don't
hesitate
to
interrupt
along
the
way
through.
If
you
have
questions
or
comments
to
make,
you
have
a
written
version
of
this
I'm
afraid
in
the
rush
we
got
the
second
newest
version.
There
are
a
couple
of
tiny
changes
that
are
in
the
version
I'm
presenting
here,
but
it's
basically
this
this
same
version
that
will
march
through
together.
So
off
we
go
so.
C
My
brief
is
that
there
are
divergent
opinions
on
this
plan
for
an
amphitheater
relative
to
the
original
Bancho
plan.
So
our
job
is
to
make
recommendations
on
the
optimal
concept,
including
issues
related
to
purpose,
functional
capabilities,
flexibilities
seating
options,
amenities
and
covering
options.
So
really
to
me,
what
it's
boiling
down
to
is:
what's
the
bout,
the
right
balance
between
the
amphitheater
and
the
park
now
this
is
the
halfway
point
of
our
work.
This
is
just
what's
the
right
concept.
The
second
half
of
the
work
is
his
preliminary
business
planning.
How
do
you
program
it?
C
How
do
you
operate
it
and
how
do
you
financially
sustain
it,
and
then
that
is
the
work
we'll
be
doing
over
the
next
four
weeks,
so
the
market
assessment?
So
that's
the
work
we're
doing
today
and
whenever
we
do
these
studies,
we
are
always
asking
and
answering
four
questions,
and
this
is
in
my
proposal,
number
one
who's
the
audience
so
who
lives
here
who
visits
here?
What
do
they
like?
What
do
they
want
is
their
capacity
and
propensity
in
the
market
to
support
the
the
venue.
C
What
is
the
level
and
nature
of
demand
on
the
part
of
users,
local
groups,
promoters,
educators
and
others
who
want
access
to
this
space?
Three?
What
is
your
regional
competitive
opportunity
relative
to
the
other
facilities
and
for
what
is
the
best
project
to
advance
community
goals?
We
always
try
and
you
know,
change
it
from
simply
a
supply
demand
question
to
in
a
community
investment
decision.
How
do
we
wisely
spend
our
resources
in
order
to
move
our
community
in
the
direction?
We're
going
context
is
very
important.
C
There's
been
a
lot
of
work
and
study
of
this
sort
of
plan
for
years.
Key
milestones,
the
imagined,
clear
water
plan
included
this
idea
of
the
green
for
a
car
loan
with
the
state
of
the
art
van
shell,
and
this
was
the
result
of
a
community
of
driven
planning
process.
2018
downtown
redevelopment
plan
noted
the
importance
of
the
green
to
support
a
variety
of
activities
to
support
downtown
redevelopment
discussions
both
before
that
and
after
that,
with
Ruth
Eckerd,
Hall
and
others
sort
of
brought
this
idea
forward
that
maybe
the
amphitheater
should
be
bigger
better.
C
You
know
more
exceeding
the
idea
of
a
cover
and
and
that
it
would
do
more
to
drive
downtown
and
it
would
generate
net
revenue
for
the
benefit
of
the
community,
so
goals
for
the
project.
So,
looking
back
at
imagine,
Clearwater
we
sort
of
took
out
the
following
goals:
make
the
waterfront
the
heart
of
Clearwater,
celebrate
the
city's
authentic
history
and
identity,
provide
public
access,
safe
and
beautiful
natural
amenities,
connect
to
the
rest
of
Clearwater
and
be
a
catalyst
for
more
vibrant
downtown
to
drive
economic
and
fiscal
well-being.
C
We
heard
those
in
our
interviews
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
in
the
interviews.
We
also
heard
a
lot
around
Drive
the
revitalization
of
downtown
and
generate
sufficient
revenues
to
subsidize
operations
of
the
entire
site
kind
of
a
hope
for
the
project.
It's
also
important,
contextual,
a
to
understand
the
Charter
restrictions.
So
again
we
we
have
to
work
with
these.
Prohibit
the
the
restrictions
prohibit
the
sale
donation
lease,
our
conveyance
of
the
property
designated
recreation
space
on
the
city's
comp
plan.
C
The
property
can
be
leased
for
an
existing
use
charter
restrictions,
prohibits
the
development
or
maintenance
of
the
property
for
other
than
open
space
and
public
utilities
together,
it
does
provide
for
city-owned,
Bancho
and
associated
facilities,
including
removal
pursuing
the
Charter
restrictions,
prohibit
the
sale
donation
or
lease
or
other
transfer
or
use
of
the
property
for
other
than
city
facilities
without
a
referendum.
And
finally,
the
green
must
be
used
for
public
Sparks
parks
and
places
of
recreation
only
alright.
So
that
sets
the
stage.
C
The
next
thing
I'd
like
to
do
is
talk
about
some
of
the
broader
forces
and
trends
in
this
world
of
developing
outdoor
facilities.
There
are
four
trends
that
I'm
going
to
identify
for
you.
One
is
that
venues
now
support
or
audiences
want
a
broader
experience,
so
it
isn't
simply
about
coming
in
sitting
down
in
your
seat
facing
the
front,
enjoying
the
show
and
walk
home.
There's
a
lot
more
around
what
happens
before
after
enduring.
C
That
makes
the
experience
better
so
opening
it
up
earlier
food
and
beverage
operations,
the
ability
to
move
around
all
of
these
things
become
increasingly
important,
particularly
for
younger
audiences.
The
second
trend
is
temporary,
pop-up
and
retractable
elements.
This
idea
of
trying
to
have
things
that
kind
of
be
adjusted
in
the
venue.
The
third
trend
not
really
new,
but
sort
of
reemerging.
This
idea
of
integrating
venues
into
the
landscape,
that's
sort
of
a
element
of
landscape
architecture,
and
finally,
this
is
something
happening
all
over
the
entertainment
business.
C
C
So
a
number
of
wineries
are
doing
this
and
again,
their
objective
is
to
sell
wine
and
to
build
awareness
and
support
for
their
brand.
So
a
lot
of
the
experience
around
a
performance
is
the
wine
tasting
and
drinking
and
partying.
Before
and
after
the
performances.
This
is
an
example
of
a
venue
in
Pittsburgh
called
stage
AE,
so
outdoor
50-500
uncovered
seats
plus
another
2,400
indoor.
C
In
addition
to
the
outdoor
space,
they
have
a
three
independent
concert:
spaces,
an
indoor
music
hall,
an
indoor
Club
and
an
outdoor
amphitheater,
it's
partly
owned
by
the
Steelers,
and
you
can
see
in
one
of
those
images
it's
behind
the
football
stadium.
So,
along
with
live
music,
it's
used
for
professional
wrestling
and
a
range
of
sort
of
experiences
beyond
the
performances.
C
C
E
C
This
is
in
Austria,
it
is
an
old
fortress
dating
to
the
back
to
the
1200s.
It
was
modernized
in
2006
and
you
can
see
the
retractable
roof
there,
where
it
sits
all
bunched
up
in
the
middle.
It's
a
membrane
that
opens
up
onto
that
entire
area
which
can
hold
about
there's
4,000
people
under
cover
when
it's
in
that
open
size.
C
Here
is
in
Miami
is
a
project
currently
underway.
This
is
the
clips
and
amphitheater
the
city
has
it's
an
existing
amphitheater,
but
what
they're
doing
now
is
installing
this
ring
and
a
retractable
cover
over
the
amphitheater.
So
it's
interesting
because
they've
made
a
they've
made
a
deal
with
Florida
Power
&
Light.
C
That's
installing
solar
panels
on
the
top
of
it
that
generate
power
that
they
get
the
revenues
from,
but
the
seeding
is
in
the
first
close
part
is
covered,
so
you
have
essentially
2,600
seats,
2700
seats
that
will
be
covered
by
that
retract
of
the
roof
and
then
another
7,200
people
on
the
lawn.
Not
here's
a
just
I
couldn't
resist,
showing
that
this
one
from
a
Roman
amphitheater
in
Verona,
where
they
are
now
in
the
process
of
approving
the
funding
for
a
membrane
roof
that
goes
over
the
entire
amphitheater.
The
capacity
inside
theirs
is
15,000.
C
C
But
the
key
is
this
sort
of
five
acre
lawn
that
works
very
well
as
a
community
amenity
about
six
thousand
tall
uncovered
for
events
there.
This
I
promise
is
it
the
craziest
one.
This
is
an
amphitheater
in
Korea
that
is
essentially
sculpture.
It's
you
can
see.
It's
all
built
these
sort
of
terraces
that
you
sit
on
coming
down
to
the
front,
so
it
has
a
capacity
of
of
just
a
couple
of
thousand,
but
it's
an
interesting
sort
of
built
in
on
the
landscape,
one
more
Oh,
two
more.
C
This
is
a
in
Clifton
Forge
Virginia,
it's
a
smaller
amphitheater
only
about
five
hundred
capacity,
but
it
was
it's
built
into
the
landscape.
It
was
actually
designed
by
Virginia
Tech
architecture,
students
and
it
works
very
well
in
that
part
setting
some
permanence
around
bench
seating.
But
the
stage
is
beautiful
and
looks,
looks
terrific
there.
My
last
one
is
this
crazy
project
in
Germany
this
place
called
the
grass
and
egg
castle
I'm.
Sorry
it's
in
Austria.
They
have
a
very
successful
summer,
music
festival
there.
C
It
used
just
to
be
sitting
on
the
lawn
they've
now
built
this
amphitheater
that
converts
just
to
a
sort
of
a
public
amenity
and
resting
space
when
it's
not
in
use,
so
lots
of
interesting
changes
and
trends
in
this
world
of
public
facilities.
Now,
let's
come
back
to
Clearwater
and
look
at
the
market.
You
have.
C
We
struggled
with
this
question
of
how
far
to
people
how
far
to
most
people
travel
to
get
to
an
event
in
downtown
Clearwater,
the
way
that
we
sorted
that
out,
finally
was
doing
this
mapping
exercise,
and
this
is
from
for
events.
This
is
easy:
top
bryan
adams,
george
clinton
and
see
blue.
So
we
mapped
the
distribution
of
ticket
buyers
and
that
50-mile
radius
got
us
65%
of
the
audience.
I
think
we
could
go
out
a
little
bit
further,
but
we
wouldn't
really
capture
more
because
the
35%
are
either
seasonal
residents,
not
based
here
or
visitors.
C
Coming
in,
so
we
decided
to
look
at
that.
50-Mile
ring.
What's
so
interesting
about
it
to
me,
is
first
the
the
Clearwater
population
growing
to
125,000
by
2024.
But
if
you
look
at
that,
50-mile
radius,
you
are,
will
be
approaching
a
four
million
permanent
population
by
2024
right
I
had
no
idea
that
that
area
was
that
dense
and
populated
characteristics
that
were
interested
in
the
best
predictor
of
arts.
Participation
is
educational
attainment.
C
How
far
you
go
in
school
generally
predicts
how
you
participate
in
in,
and
this
is
more,
the
traditional
performing
arts
so
going
to
the
symphony
in
the
ballet
in
the
Opera.
You
have
relatively
low
levels
of
educational
attainment
on
the
part
of
permanent
residents,
others,
pure
with
graduate
degrees,
and
for
you,
with
bachelor's
degrees.
I,
should
just
note
on
all
these
charts.
The
orange
bar
is
clear.
Water.
The
red
bar
is
that
50
mile
radius
and
the
blue
bar
is
the
USA,
so
just
for
comparison
purposes
right.
C
So
you
see
the
orange
bar
up
at
the
top
less
than
50
miles
in
the
country.
A
household
income
distribution
again
Clearwater
has
fewer
households
with
a
household
income
of
greater
than
150
thousand
also
the
case
in
the
neck
income
category
down
and
lots
of
folks
with
a
household
income
of
less
than
25
thousand
and
in
that
25
to
50
thousand
range.
The
next
chart
shows
there.
C
There
is
a
growth
in
that
income,
but
it's
still
in
the
Clearwater
that
income
still
staying
substantially
below
the
50
mile
radius
income
and
the
National
hustling
age
distribution,
not
a
surprise
here.
A
significant
chunk
for
the
population,
65
plus,
even
more
so
in
Clearwater
than
in
the
50
mile
radius,
which
I
thought
was
interesting
and
and
not
so
many
kids,
17
and
under,
and
also
the
18
to
24
in
terms
of
race
and
ethnicity.
C
We
didn't
do
as
well
as
collecting
information
about
seasonal
residents,
I'm
afraid
in
our
two-week
span
and
if
anybody
has
a
great
data
source
that
tells
us
about
the
demographics
of
people
who
live
here,
part
time
I'd
love
to
get
it.
But
we
do
know
anecdotally.
This.
This
pie
chart
is
showing
us
that
about
9%
City
Clearwater
housing
units
are
sort
of
occupied
seasonally
recreational
eager
occasions.
C
So
maybe
that's
our
our
seasonal
population
count
not
that
big
I
think
it's
significantly
better
going
out
a
little
bit
further,
but
we
do
know
that
that
is
a
that
is
an
older.
That's
an
old
segment,
also,
eight
in
terms
of
age.
It's
a
higher
income
segment
and
it's
higher
education
segments.
So
it
is
kind
of
a
prime
group
for
us
in
terms
of
an
audience
we
do.
C
We
did
get
pretty
good
information
on
visitors
to
Clearwater
in
the
region,
so
5.2
three
rooms
sold
in
2017
coming
as
couples
or
families
they're
coming
for
the
beach
and
because
of
the
weather,
12%
of
them
surveyed,
attended
a
festival
or
special
event,
so
we're
in
there
somewhere
with
our
our
facility.
Many
of
them
have
been
here
before,
and
most
of
them
do
not
feel
that
any
improvements
are
needed
to
enhance
the
visitor
experience.
C
Well,
you're,
not
clamoring
for
more
I
would
always
contend
that
the
tourism
business
is
intensely
competitive
and
you
always
have
to
be
offering
more
in
order
to
hold
on
to
your
market
share
a
mean
age
53,
so
a
little
bit
younger,
but
good,
92,000
in
main
household
income,
lots
from
Florida,
but
also
the
rest
of
the
country,
and
we
did
this
other
exercise,
which
was
a
lot
of
sort
of
counting
in
order
to
make
a
simple
point.
So
we
compared
Tampa
st.
C
Pierre
water
with
three
other
metropolitan
areas
to
look
at
who
had
more
or
less
amphitheaters
and
the
and
not
just
the
number
of
amphitheaters,
but
we
we
estimated
the
number
of
seats
in
each
venue,
so
we
could
say
something
about
seats
per
capita
right.
So
and
in
this
case
it's
not
physical
seats
standing,
you
know,
Elan
seat
is
a
seat
right,
so
we
looked
at
Denver,
San,
Diego
and
Charlotte
as
MSAs
you,
your
MSA
population,
is
the
second-biggest
of
that
group.
C
The
other
venues
have
five
six
and
three
outdoor
venues:
the
total
capacity
of
those
you
have
thirty-four
thousand
four
hundred.
They
have
forty
two
thirty,
five
and
thirty,
seven
so
on
a
per
capita
basis,
and
that
includes
coachman
park
as
it
is
today,
with
its
fifteen
thousand
seat
capacity.
So
the
point
is
that
you
are
not
over
served
in
this
idea
of
changing
that
Park
out
to
the
new
amphitheater
or
bandshell.
Still,
as
you
add,
a
market
capacity
range
within
what
these
other
communities
do.
C
So
there's
not
a
growth
sort
of
under
count
nor
over
count
you're
pretty
much
in
the
range,
as
you
are
now
I'm,
sorry
for
the
small
print,
but
this
is
just
more
information
at
your
leisure
on
the
different
amphitheaters
in
those
karpova
markets.
The
one
thing
I'd
note
is
that
there's
about
18
on
there
and
only
two
of
them-
have
covered
seating
lots
of
lawn
seating
and
some
uncovered.
C
So
our
market
analysis
leads
us
to
conclude.
The
market
is
large
and
growing.
Significant
differences
between
full-timers
season
errs
and
visitors
suggest
the
need
for
a
segmented
approach
to
programming
and
market
meaning
it's
not
one
show.
That's
going
to
get
everyone
there.
You
have
to
do
different
kinds
of
programs
and
market
them
differently
in
order
to
attract
the
diversity
of
the
market.
There's
some
opportunity
for
culturally
and
linguistically
specific
program,
visitors,
traveling
for
beach
and
weather.
That
segment
is
attractive
in
two
ways:
one
when
it's
an
act
that
people
will
travel
to
see.
C
You
know
if
it's
you've
got
ZZ
Top
fans
who
will
get
on
a
plane
and
come
so
a
destination
level
act,
but
also
we
see
in
our
business.
It's
it's
hard
to
get
visitors
to
come
to
a
venue,
but
when
you
have
sort
of
a
destination
like
the
park
with
multiple
amenities
and
things
to
do
that
becomes
a
significant
tourist
destination.
So
we
love
the
idea
of
this
park
within
the
larger.
C
Imagine:
Clearwater
development
as
a
tourism
development
tool,
comparable
markets
that
analysis
suggest
to
us
that
the
region
has
the
capacity
to
support
the
new
amphitheater
within
the
current
inventory.
Alright,
and
we
did
another
analysis.
This
is
basically
every
mm
Plus
capacity
amphitheater
and
ban
Shale
in
Florida
water.
C
So
these
are
the
local
venues
with
our
so
the
the
venue
in
Tampa,
mid
Florida,
19900
total
with
10,000
covered
in
10,000
lon,
essentially,
there's
our
12
five
four
coachman
perk
and
Janice
lot
now.
The
next
two
are
all
of
these
other
regional
facilities
and
I'm,
going
from
the
largest
capacity
down.
So
there's
you
see,
there's
a
field
up
at
the
20,000
level.
C
It
drops
quickly
to
10,000
and
under
for
total
capacity.
Remember
this
I
need
to
keep
reminding
myself
of
this
not
to
get
too
hung
up
on
the
seated
fixed
seated
capacity.
I'm
sorry
exceeded
capacity
versus
lung
capacity.
In
many
of
these
cases,
it's
the
total
capacity.
That's
the
number
that
matters
more
than
that
this
decieded
capacity
so
you'll
see
in
that
first
page
of
that
of
the
twelve
or
so
venues.
Five
of
them
have
covers.
C
There's
lots
of
under
that
flexible
seating
column,
you'll,
see
only
if
a
few
wise,
meaning
flexibility
and
the
venue
itself
most
are
owned
by
cities.
There's
a
bunch
of
them
have
private
operators
like
SMG,
Live,
Nation
and
so
on.
The
next
page
shows
5,000
see
it's
down
again
only
a
couple
that
have
covered
seating,
limited
flexibility
and
down
in
the
lower
capacity
ones.
They
tend
to
be
operated
by
local
government,
rather
than
the
next
exercise
was,
was
sort
of
understanding
how
the
current
coachman
department
is
used.
C
C
Terrific
you've
got
George
Clinton,
but
then
all
the
other
festival
like
jazz
and
the
holiday
carnival
and
the
boat
parade
and
the
blues
festival
that
was
28
days
of
events,
but
significant
is
that
hundred
and
three
beside
that
that's
the
number
of
days
you
had
to
spend
erecting
and
dismantling.
So
you
got
28
days
of
use,
but
you
spent
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
time
putting
in
this
place
together
and
pulling
it
back
apart
again,
then,
with
all
the
community
groups,
we
we
tried
to
get
at
what
they
want
going
forward.
C
So
we
interviewed
these
guys
and
talked
about
how
much
they
would
use
it
and
what
capacity
range.
So
it's
a
slick,
it
doesn't
include
everyone
who
was
in
there
last
year.
These
were
everyone
we
were
able
to
meet.
So
it's
18
days
of
use.
They
were
interested
in
the
bandshell.
Of
course
you
know
a
proper
covered
stage.
C
Only
one
of
them
really
wanted
seating,
and
only
one
of
them
was
interested
in
cover.
The
capacity
range
for
them
is
generally
sort
of
there's
a
lot
in
that
seven
to
nine
thousand
range
and
a
little
bit
under
that
the
the
tricky
one
there
is
the
Jazz
Festival
there,
attendances
inman
been
in
that
six
to
nine
there,
their
existing
event,
attendances
have
been
in
that
range
in
there
discussing
with
us,
they're
interested
in
a
total
capacity
approaching
fifteen
thousand.
So
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
to
reconcile
that.
C
So
then
we
have
a
Ruth
Eckerd
hole.
That's
come
forward
as
potential
promoter.
They
did
some
events
in
coachman
apartment.
They
want
to
they've,
said
20
events
potentially
a
year.
They
are
saying
that
they
need
or
they
need
and
want
3,000
to
4,000
exceeded
capacity.
Undercover
live
nation
in
AEG.
We've
had
some
contact
with
they
interested
in
presenting
interested
in
routing
very
concerned
about
the
gun,
laws
and
the
prospect
of
that
in
the
park,
but
generally
interested
and.
C
C
Gonna
well,
I'm
gonna
come
back
to
it
a
little
bit
later
on
all
kind.
Some
more
comment,
so
alright,
so
just
based
on
what
we've
seen
on
the
market
thing,
let's,
let's
sort
of
think
about
seating
capacity.
So
these
there
are
these
sort
of
boutique
venues
that
have
sort
of
three
to
five
thousand
total
capacities.
C
Only
one
of
those
has
covered
seating.
Our
thinking
is
that
the
seated
component
of
the
venue
we
we
could
probably
bring
that
down
a
little
bit
into
that
2500
to
3000
range.
There's.
No,
you
know
in
the
terms
of
local
and
regional
venues,
there's
no
sort
of
there's
a
gap
there
that
we're
feeling
with
this
venue
that
we
think
makes
sense,
and
let
me
also
said
something
about
lawn
capacity,
so
that
comperable
venues
have
indicated
in
the
research
we've
done
and
you'll
see
some
more
as
I
keep
going
here.
C
A
C
These
long
seating
folks
are
also
likely
to
be
food
and
beverage
consumers
which,
as
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
later,
is
we
think
really.
The
key
is
the
revenue
driver
for
venues
like
this,
so
our
sense
is
that
the
lawn
capacity
could
be
closer
to
10,000,
but
we
wouldn't.
We
wouldn't
want
that
to
reduce
the
park
size
if
the
park
sizes
is
terrific
and
we
wouldn't
want
that
lawn
capacity
to
limit
that,
and
then
we
still
have
to
sort
out
with
the
Jazz
Festival
how
to
accommodate
them.
C
So
in
conclusion,
the
first
part
of
this
there
is
a
market
opportunity
for
a
band
shell
or
an
amphitheater.
So
we
think
that
the
amphitheater
concept
works
from
a
market
perspective
and
supports
some
community
goals.
We
think
that
the
original
concept
works
from
a
market
perspective
and
supports
other
community
goals.
So
in
fact,
what
we're
going
to
put
forward
today
is
a
slightly
different
concept
that
also
works
from
a
market
perspective
that
responds
to
more
community
goals.
So
that's
where
we're
headed.
So
let
me
talk
about
those
two
existing
concepts
and
then
introduce
the
third.
C
So
the
original
dance
show
concept
functionality
was
sort
of.
It
could
occasionally
be
used
for
community
events
and
touring
entertainment.
There's
a
gentle
slope
down
to
the
banjo
that
that
supports
you,
get
relatively
good
sight
lines,
but
still
supports
other
park
activities.
The
capacity
was
going
to
be
as
many
seats
that
are
needed
for
specific
events,
total
capacity
as
high
as
18,000.
That
was
what
I
saw
in
the
imagine.
Clearwater
report
point
a
small
stage
at
it.
C
Actually,
it's
not
that
smallest,
a
2,400
square
feet,
which
is
a
pretty
good
stage
size
for
a
range
of
events,
the
minimal
tech,
the
idea
being
that
most
of
the
tech,
sound
of
lighting
comes
with
touring
product,
temporary
food
and
beverage
outlets
brought
in
for
events
permanent
and
temporary
restroom.
So
the
challenges
around
this,
what's
the
risk
and
financial
downside
of
not
covering
the
audience,
is
the
stage
and
audience
area
large
enough
to
attract
the
performers
the
community
wants
and,
and
and
what
about
this
sort
of
idea
of
a
portable
seating.
C
So
to
answer
those
I'm
going
to
tell
a
few
more
detailed
stories
about
existing
amphitheaters
around
the
country,
this
is
in
Simsbury,
Connecticut,
suburban
Hartford
population
is
25,000.
This
city
built
the
structure
and
they
tried
to
operate
it
for
a
while.
Then
they
turned
it
over
to
a
501c3
I've
done
some
work
for
them,
so
I
know
them
fairly.
Well,
it's
a
it's
a
tiny
organization
with
a
full-time
staff
of
one
and
but
the
board.
C
Everyone
on
the
board
is
out
there
at
every
event,
selling
tickets
and
doing
security
and
everything
it's
a
very
sort
of
roll-up-your-sleeves
make
the
place
kind
of
work,
and
it
has
been
successful
for
what
it
is.
So
you
see
it's
a
before
the
stage
was
built.
It
was
just
a
big
recreational
park,
it
soccer
and
lacrosse
and
everything
so
they
built
the
stage
at
one
end
of
the
park.
C
Okay,
so
they
get
in
a
typical
season.
There
are
five
performances
by
the
Hartford
Symphony
two
or
three
commercial
performances.
So
they're
not
getting
a
lot
of
you
know.
The
big
puck
acts
the
problem
for
them.
There
is
that
there's
bigger
venues
in
Hartford
and
in
Oakdale
not
far
away
that
really
get
the
big
commercial
entertainment.
So
they
don't,
they
don't
get
a
lot
of
that
they
get.
They
have
a
blues
festival,
food,
festivals,
flea
markets,
it's
the
start
and
finish
for
a
lot
of
community
runs
and
rides
of
30
events
a
year.
C
The
total
operating
budget
is
400,
grand
and
and
last
year
they
should
have
surplus
$12,000.
So
they
made
a
tiny
little
bit
of
money.
They
are
close
to
the
historic
Main
Street
of
Simsbury.
They
have
a
very
sort
of
strange
relationship
with
the
merchants,
even
though
you
know
all
these
people
showing
up
to
events
or
spending
money,
the
merchants
get
very
mad
about
losing
their
parking
because
everyone
who's
coming
to
event
parks
in
their
parking.
So
there's
always
been
sort
of
tension
around
that
idea.
C
The
great
thing
that
they've
done
is
you
can't
really
see
it
in
this
slide?
It's
not
really
better.
There
there's
a
kind
of
a
wall.
That's
2
feet
tall,
that
is
a
semicircular
outside
around
the
stage
and
inside
that
wall.
In
front
of
the
stage
you
can
put
theater
seats
or
tables
and
chairs,
so
for
all
the
Hartford
Symphony
events,
that's
what
they
do
and
it's
premium
VIP
seating.
C
They
serve
a
full
meal
to
the
people
sitting
up
there
and
they
and
they
day
and
the
symphony
together,
to
make
lots
of
money
doing
that
in
case
of
bad
weather.
They
had
a
couple
of
rain
dates
historically,
but
they
don't
do
that
anymore.
They
find
that
people
have
made
a
plan
to
come.
It's
very
difficult
to
adjust
that
plan
to
to
the
next
night.
Some
have
some
of
the
acts
have
purchased
insurance,
but
that
they
don't
really
recommend
doing
that
when
their,
so
they
try
and
track
the
weather.
C
They've
got
sort
of
folks
that
keeping
an
eye
on
lightnings
and
storms
coming
in
and
and
last
year,
only
one
event
was
impacted
it
and
ended
halfway
through
the
event.
They
are
installing.
These
sound
towers
that
you
see
here
are
temporary
and
they
build
those
at
the
beginning
of
each
year,
they're
now
in
buying
and
installing
permanent
towers,
so
that
they
don't
have
to
deal
with
taking
those
down
and
putting
them
up
when
the
park
here.
C
C
Khoka
booth
is
a
is
a
terrific
amphitheater
in
Cary
North
Carolina,
and
it
it's
more
of
the
bandshell
concept
really
because
it's
just
the
stage
structure
the
seating
is,
is
this
lawn?
It
is
owned
by
the
city
operated
by
SMG
they
who
they
to
whom
they
pay
sort
of
a
management
fee.
So
in
there
every
year,
they've
got
ten
Symphony
dates:
12
to
13
national
concerts.
They
had
Vance
Gill
last
year
and
Paul
Simon
the
year
before
so
they're
getting
good
good
acts
to
the
building.
C
They
it's
an
open
venue,
meaning
multiple
promoters
can
bring
their
acts
there.
It's
not
an
exclusive
relationship,
six
food
festivals
and
a
number
of
cultural
festivals
in
any
festival
and
the
biggest
single
draw
there
every
year
is
that
is
the
chinese
lantern
festival.
They
do
high
school
music
festivals.
They
do
a
summer
film
series
they
run
their
runs.
That
begin
and
in
there
so
there's
about
50
events
a
year.
C
There's
a
staff
of
a
dozen
but
they're
not
on
the
town,
payroll
they're
on
the
SMG,
so
the
cost
of
the
town
in
2018
was
net
350
grand
in
other
years.
It's
been
as
low
as
about
150,
but
so
150
to
350
has
an
annual
cost
of
the
year
that
the
city
staff
that
I
spoke
with
there
say
you
know
we
are
City.
Council
is
more
than
happy
to
pay
that
councillors.
Whenever
they
bring
people
to
town
they
bring
them
to
the
to
the
park
they
to
show
off
the
amphitheater.
C
They
get
huge
value
out
of
it
in
terms
of
being
a
community
amenity
and
asset
I've
got
a
couple
more
good
pictures
here.
It
is
from
so
there's
a
lake
behind,
so
you
see,
there's
the
structure
and
the
lawn
extending
it
to
the
right.
This
is
from
the
stage,
so
the
other
interesting
thing
they
have
there
is
at
the
back.
You
see
that
structure,
that's
called
the
Crescent
and
it's
their
version
of
sort
of
a
premium
seating
area.
So
it's
more
of
a
fixed
structure
and
see
if
I
won't
yeah
there.
C
It
is
so
it's
a
fixed
structure.
There
they're
basically
front
porches,
so
there's
little
rooms
and
closed
room
and
in
front
of
that,
like
a
porch
where
you
put
out
seats,
there's
a
separate
concession
area
for
that,
and
that
does
very
well
for
them.
Financially,
it's
a
big
part
of
helping
their
their
sustainability.
C
They
don't
have
problems
with
rain.
They
say.
They've
only
had
a
couple
of
events
in
the
past
couple
of
years
that
have
rained
out
when
the
rain
comes
and
they've
got
people
tracking
storms.
They
send
people
back
to
their
cars,
but
North
Carolina.
The
wetter
weather
pattern
is
usually
it's
a
it's
a
blow
through,
as
they
say,
and
they
come
back
into
concert
resumes
when
that's
oh
interesting
that
they
do
have
there
were.
C
There
was
some
residential
development
around
there
before
was
built
and
there's
been
a
lot
more
since
it
was
built
so
they're,
pretty
sensitive
to
noise.
There's
a
decibel
limit
of
95
100
feet
from
the
stage
and
there's
also
at
10:30
p.m.
curfew,
so
they're
trying
to
sort
of
manage
that
as
well.
They,
the
town,
does
not
regret
the
lack
of
a
cover,
because
they
feel
it
would
spoil
the
beauty
of
the
location.
C
Ok
closer
to
home.
This
is
the
historic
Bancho
on
Daytona
Beach,
80
years
old,
4500
capacity.
It's
all
stone
so
apparently
that
what
the
city
does
is
they
rent
seats
to
folks
to
come.
We
want
to
sit
for
performances,
they
rent
lawn
chairs,
it's
owned
by
the
city
operated
by
their
cultural
Services
Division.
They
do
ten
community
events,
five
days
of
cheerleading
competitions
Jeep
week
and
some
other
events.
C
So
now
now,
let's
turn
the
amphitheater
concert
the
thing
that
evolved
from
the
original
concept,
the
idea
there
was
to
attract
more
wolf
class
artists
and
entertainers
to
Clearwater
bringing
audiences
from
around
the
region,
generating
more
revenue
and
driving
downtown
spending.
Oh,
the
focus
was
on
those
large
music
events,
the
idea
most
recently
plus
or
minus
thirty
five
hundred
seats
under
cover
maximum
capacity.
Fifteen
thousand
the
seats
can
all
be
moved,
but
the
rule,
but
the
rake
is
fixed,
large
permanent
covered
stage.
The
actual
stage
isn't
bigger
than
it
was
in
the
banjo
concept.
C
They
are
there
wanting
a
more
you
know,
more
exclusivity,
more
sort
of
the
idea
of
getting
some
control
over
the
overall
thing
and
the
more
they're
able
to
do
there,
the
more
likely
they
are
to
invest
in
the
capital,
investment
of
the
amphitheater,
so
challenges
does
the
venue
align
with
the
goals
of
the
Clearwater?
Can
it
be
profitable?
Can
it
be
restored
as
a
park
after
performance?
Well,
let's
have
an
impact
on
downtown
Clearwater
and
then
the
capacity
issue
so
some
more
stories
so
Pompano
Beach,
so
3,000,
it's
all
seated.
C
You
see
that
sort
of
structure.
It's
basically
because
of
the
rate
of
the
seating
it's
isolated
from
the
park
behind
it,
so
it
doesn't
really.
It's
not
like.
You
have
lawn
seating
behind
that.
That's
the
rank
that
you
have
to
get
in
order
to
have
good
sight
lines
with
those
fixings
the
stage
so
to
dictate
that
it
is
what
it
is.
And
then
the
concessions
are
in
that
sort
of
back
wall
that
sort
of
opens
up
for
for
food
and
and
pivot,
so
3,000
fixed
uncovered.
C
C
That's
not
working
so
well,
but
what
is
interesting
is
the
city
is
now
as
allocated
3.5
million
dollars
to
put
a
cover
over
the
amphitheater
there.
They're
gonna
do
that.
Okay,
here's
a
couple
more
images
of
the
amphitheater:
it's
not
a,
not
a
beautiful
venue.
Here's
anthrax
performing
there
recently
not
high
quality,
alright
Cynthia
woods,
Mitchell
Pavilion
is
really
one
of
my
favorite
amphitheaters
in
the
country.
I
have
worked
with
these
guys.
Historically,
this
is
really
one
of
the
great
models
of
a
community
amphitheater.
C
They
opened
probably
it's
25
years
ago.
The
woodlands
is
a
planned
community
north
of
Houston,
so
they
and
they
built
this
amphitheater
specifically
to
build
awareness
of
their
community.
This
is
a
way
to
sort
of
become
known
in
the
Houston
region,
so
the
amphitheater
was
built.
For
that
reason,
it
was
originally
meant
to
be
the
home
of
the
summer.
A
C
The
symphony
Opera
Ballet,
but
then
would
also
bring
in
commercial
touring
product.
It's
a
12-acre
site
to
get
all
of
that
on
6500
covered
seats
and
lawn
seating
for
another
10,000
because
of
the
original
purpose.
There's
a
full
orchestra
pit
for
the
ballet
opera
to
use,
but
they
don't
really.
They
use
it
now,
occasionally
more
as
a
mosh
pit
and
unless
so
as
an
orchestra
pit.
C
If
the
building
comes
to
life
in
many
ways,
43
contemporary
entertainment
events
and
they
are
promoted
by
Live
Nation's,
so
there's
a
deal
with
Cynthia
woods,
Mitchell
pavilion
and
Live
Nation
to
bring
that
commercial,
entertainment
to
the
building
and
and
they
are
sharing
risk.
So
the
Live
Nation
sort
of
attracts
and
pays
for
the
acts
and
the
building
brings
the
building
and
all
the
staff
means
support
and
they
split
the
proceeds
of
that
together.
C
So,
in
addition
to
that,
there's
15
performing
arts
groups
Symphony
ballet
opera,
but
not
as
much
was
originally
planned,
some
rentals
to
big
churches
and
high
school
graduations.
They
they
believe
that
38
out
of
those
sort
of
40
or
so
shows
every
year,
make
money
on
a
net
basis
or
the
direct
revenues.
Minus
direct
cost
equals
sort
of
net,
but
they're
there.
What
they
contend
is
that
the
way
that
they
make
money
on
these
shows
is
through
the
food
and
beverage
operations.
C
It's
you
know
the
the
artists
fee
and
promotion
matches
the
gate,
and
it's
the
food
and
beverage
that
really
sort
of
drives
the
revenue
in
the
facility.
They
also
have
an
event
center
next
door
that
is
smaller,
rentals.
Their
operating
budget
remember
some
of
the
smaller
ones,
but
their
operating
budget
is
42
million
dollars
a
year,
because
that
includes
all
the
ticket
sales
of
the
events,
but
they
also
have
a
full-time
staff
of
30
people.
So
they've
got
a
building
next
door
that
they
run
fully
developed
staff
plus
325
seasonal
staff
as
well.
C
They
they
and
say
that
of
that
forty
million
dollar
budget.
Forty
two
million
dollar
budget,
the
earned
revenue
component-
is
four,
so
they
had
the
annual
fundraising
nut
for
The
Woodlands
is
two
million
bucks
and
again
the
woodlands,
which
is
now
a
Township
soon
to
be
a
city,
is
happy
to
pay
that
two
million
dollars
annually
because
of
what
they
get
in
their
community
as
an
amenity
quality
of
life,
building
sort
of
the
brand
and
and
so
on.
They
don't.
They
don't
all,
chose
our
rain
and
shine
with
the
cover.
C
They
don't
have
any
walk-up
business
anymore,
they're
not
so
concerned
they
don't.
They
do
get
no
shows
on
a
bad
weather
night.
Last
year
they
had
two
shows
two
shows
that
were
interrupted,
the
crowd
stayed
and
the
show
went
on
their
their
brain
issue.
The
thing
they're
more
concerned
about
is
longer
term
damage
to
the
lawn
with
sort
of
days
of
rain.
The
only
shows
they've
actually
canceled
work
because
of
the
hurricane
last
year
and
they
have
to
cancel
four
performances.
There
is
housing
close
by.
C
C
There
is
a
overhead
shot
of
the
cover
and
the
lawn
there.
We
are
looking
out
from
the
stage
and
now
st.
Augustine.
So
here
is
here's
an
amphitheater
I
think
this
one
has
been
brought
to
you
before
I
think
you've
seen
several
of
these
examples
before,
but
st.
Augustine
has
never
been
brought
to
you
as
a
successful,
profitable
amphitheater.
C
So
it's
owned
and
operated
by
the
county.
It
is
open,
it's
an
open
venue
again,
multiple
promoters,
forty
nine
hundred
seats,
thirty
three
hundred
of
which
are
under
cover
and
another
sixteen
hundred
not
covered.
So
no
the
steeper
much
steeper
right
of
this
venue.
It's
not
like
our
lawn
seating
venues.
It's
a
steeper
break
in
order
to
so
all
those
people
inside
the
the
structure
of
the
amphitheater
itself.
C
What's
interesting,
there
is
that
they
have
two
other
venues
with
it:
a
backyard
which
is
a
uncovered
thousand
capacity
venue
behind
the
main
and
then
what
they
call
the
front
porch,
a
large
deck
that
hosts
two
to
300
people.
They
do
lots
of
F&B
I'm.
Sorry,
lots
of
VIP
things,
comprehensive
food
and
beverage
offer
operations,
weekly
farmers
market
on
the
front,
porch
40
live
entertainment
events
a
year.
It
doesn't
really
work
for
outside
community
rentals,
the
sort
of
the
cost
to
get
in
there
and
on
this
stage
is
substantial
and
there
is
no.
C
You
know
it's
not
a
part
of
a
part
because
of
that
rake.
It's
a
like
Pompano
Beach,
it's
sort
of
its
isolated
structure
there.
Their
budget
is
about
14
million
and
in
2018
the
is
that
the
county
I
think
made
from
them
about
1.1
million,
and
this
is
that's
the
first
year
after
the
expansion
of
that
venue.
So
the
first
year.
C
C
If
the
rental,
if
the
event
is
a
rental,
buy
or
co-promotion
the
the
firearm
policy,
there
is
that
it's
it's
live
nation
to
decide
whether
guns
are
allowed
on
them,
they're,
not
that
was
significantly
theirs,
underneath
there's
the
front
porch
and
that
other
venue.
So
now,
what
we're
saying
is:
let's,
let's
consider
a
slightly
modified
concept.
C
So,
let's
from
the
original
banjo
concept,
let's
push
capacity,
functionality,
flexibility
and
technical
capabilities
in
order
to
support
some
of
these
large
events
that
you
want
to
get
while
trying
to
minimize
the
scale
and
impact
of
the
of
the
facility
so
as
to
honor
the
park
concept
sounds
easy.
You
know
now
start
talking
about
how
difficult
that
is
to
do
so.
We
want
to
support
not
just
performances
but
community
events
as
well
as
the
large
tournaments.
C
So
again,
maybe
we
can
push
that
seeded
capacity
down
a
little
bit
under
3000
2500,
and
you
know
we're
good
in
terms
of
total
capacity
with
10,000,
although
I
wouldn't
want
to
compromise
the
overall
sort
of
concept
in
doing
that.
So
the
other
thing
we
can
do
is
is
explore
the
integration
of
the
structures
into
the
park,
looking
at
flexible,
safe
seating
systems,
a
flat
floor
component,
retractable
elements
and
pop-up
amenities
and
in
stage
the
challenges
around.
That
is
the
technology,
and
this
is
the
key
one.
C
Is
the
technology
sufficiently
advanced
to
support
flexible
seating
systems
and
a
retractable
roof
in
a
cost-effective
manner?
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
more
examples,
but
again,
can
it
be
done
in
a
cost-effective
way?
Can
those
amphitheater
elements
be
sufficiently
minimized
so
as
not
to
compromise
the
perk
concept?
C
So
here's
a
great
example
of
an
attempt
to
do
that.
This
is
an
Addison
Texas,
suburban
Dallas.
It's
called
Addison
theater
park.
It's
a
flexible
mix
used
park,
370
thousand
square
feet
in
total
water
and
electrical
hookups
are
throughout
the
site
and
there
are
three
distinct
performance
areas
that
can
be
built
up
for
performances.
They
have
big
events
like
taste
at
Addison,
or
cover
offense
concerts,
movies
and
art
shows.
C
This
is
the
this
is
the
entire
park,
so
the
ellipse
is
that
picture.
I
just
showed
and
you'll
see
the
site
for
the
big
stage
there.
When
that
stage
is
not
in
use.
It
looks
like
that,
so
the
entire
stage
disappears
all
of
the
back
stage
and
stage
support
functions
are
underneath
built
into
it,
as
well
as
all
the
power
requirements
and
so
on,
and
here
is
the
lawn
being
used
for
performances,
community
events,
so
it's
managed
by
the
town.
C
The
whole
park
is
owned
as
an
event
space,
which
is
significant
in
terms
of
how
it
gets
used
and
and
all
the
City
events
at
the
park
are
subsidized
by
a
hotel-motel
tax
phone.
So
they've
got
a
specific
funding
stream,
there's
one
more
show
in
the
public,
art
and
fountains,
also
on
the
Berks
Meissner
part
I'm.
Sure
some
of
you
been
there
in
Boca
Raton.
C
This
venue
has
been
struggling
forever.
I
was
over
there
trying
to
help
them
20
years
ago,
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this
thing
work.
They
had
a
non-profit
running
it
for
a
while.
Now
it's
been
now
it's
owned
and
operated
by
the
city.
There
was
previously
an
exclusive
relationship
as
I
understand
what
Live
Nation.
Now
it's
an
open
venue,
3,600
temporary
seats
and
4200
standing
room,
so
they
get
five
to
six
live
music
concerts
promoted
by
one
of
the
big
guys.
C
City
gets
a
per
ticket
charge
on
that
three
live
music
events
promoted
by
a
local
group
15
days
for
festivals,
15
days
for
community
rentals
10
days
of
other
city
presented
events,
so
an
annual
operating
budget
about
a
million
bucks
and
they
get
they
gain
a
little
bit
back
on
the
bottom
line.
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
sec
covered
seating.
What
they're
doing
now
is
they're
putting
a
tent
over
the
facility.
You
see
in
that
image,
this
one's
better,
so
the
Performing
Arts
groups
like
the
symphony
have
set.
C
Renting
this
tent
and
for
four
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
here,
they
put
the
tent
up
for
a
two-month
period
when
they
have
all
those
performing
arts
events,
the
city
charges,
the
user
is
an
extra
two
grand
a
day
to
try
and
recover
some
of
that
money.
Interestingly,
now
the
city
has
received
a
bit
for
a
retractable
roof.
The
cost
is
nine
million.
C
They.
They
don't
have
to
cancel
events
that
only
we've
done
a
sort
of
a
couple
of
times.
They
don't
think
that
a
covering
would
help
them
so
much
it's
more
of
these
sort
of
the
traditional
performing
arts
audiences.
Wanting
that
cover
for
city
sponsored
events,
firearms
are
allowed
with
proper
permits.
So
this
is
another
place
that
has
a
similar
issue.
Then
you
do
the
city
attorney
determined
that
they
can
do.
A
screening
and
police
officer
manages
sort
of
checks.
The
permits
offers
a
place
to
store
guns.
C
When
it's
not
in
use
really
it's
it's
a
daily
gathering
place,
but
it
isn't
really.
It
doesn't
really
serve
as
a
perfect
there's,
a
big
yoga
class
going
on
and
and
finally
a
sin
amphitheater.
So
this
is
a
newer
project
in
Nashville
owned
by
the
city
ten
year
contract
with
Live
Nation
2300
temporary
seats,
4,500
lawn
seats,
the
park
was
originally,
it
was
going
to
be
a
downtown
Greensburg
city
said
it
would
be
parked
first
and
and
when
the
contract
was
awarded
to
the
operator,
they
said
this
site
would
be
always
a
perk.
First,
since.
C
Been
a
lot
of
tension
in
the
community
because
it
essentially
isn't
operating
as
a
perk.
It's
a
concert
venue
with
limited
access
and
availability,
so
the
rentals
are
rare
because
the
minimum
charges
for
them
to
get
in
are
beyond
community
resources.
The
city
does
pay
I'm.
Sorry.
The
operator
pays
about
400
grand
plus
a
portion
of
ticket
and
confessor
concession
sales
to
Nashville.
C
They
they
were
thinking
of
covered
seating,
but
didn't
do
it,
then
what
they
do
have
there
is
that
temporary
seating
on
the
front
part,
so
it
all
comes
out
for
specific
performances
and
goes
away.
Weather
is
rarely
a
problem.
They
have
had
lots
of
issues
with
sound
complaints
in
the
neighborhood
and
they've
just
installed.
Apparently
this
very
sophisticated
sone
monitoring
system.
That's
had
a
big
impact
on
bringing
the
sound
down
when
it
needs
to
be
brought
down
and
reducing
community
complaints.
C
So
that's
just
well
here's
a
view
from
the
stage
of
ascend,
and
here
it
is
sort
of
lawn
seating
out
there.
There
it
is
without
any
seats,
so
you'll
see
it
still.
It's
still
the
back
part
of
it
has
some
slope,
but
it's
still.
Theoretically,
you
know
could
be
a
perfect
setting,
so
the
issue
has
come
up
throughout
all
of
this
around
the
profitability
of
amphitheaters.
C
What
do
you
potentially
get
as
a
city
when
you
do
this,
so
we've
collected
as
much
as
we
could
in
two
weeks
how
these
venues
do
so
it's
a
little
bit
different
for
every
venue
how
we
calculated
this,
but
basically
st.
Augustine,
the
county
in
2018,
got
1.1
million.
Remember
that
includes
two
other
venues
and
it
also
includes
revenues
from
parking.
C
C
Mentioned
in
the
Nashville
400
grant,
but
I
would
contend
that
you
know
they're
they're,
politically
paying
a
price
for
that.
The
community
is
not
necessarily
thrilled
with
the
way
that's
been
guarded,
Daytona
Beach,
they
make
56
net
the
city
Pompano
Beach,
with
its
new
deal
with
AEG,
made
a
little
bit
of
money.
Last
year,
Simsbury
my
staff
of
one
got
a
$12,000
budget
on
a
35
$12,000
profit
on
the
35,000,
but
Coco
booth.
C
F
C
Even
though
their
their
earned
income
is,
you
know,
97
percent
of
their
budget
there's
still
an
annual
fundraising
requirement
of
two
million
dollars.
So
that's
where
we
get
so
to
other
things
again,
this
the
these
outside
threats.
That
I
would
encourage
you
to
sort
of
take
a
position
on
this.
One
is
the
the
presence
of
guns,
so
we
you
know
we
did
talk
about
it
with
various
users
and
promoters
and
others.
There
is
a
lot
of
concern
of
promoters.
C
Their
product
here
and
the
prospect
of
having
guns
out
there,
but
you
are
doing
it
now.
The
other
thing
we
heard
from
several
of
the
groups
is
there
has
to
be
a
workaround
vote.
Unquote,
there
has
to
be
a
way
around
this
problem.
What
can
it
be?
So
you
know
I
think
you've
already
worked
pretty
hard
at
this
question,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
much
further
you
can
go
with
that,
but
that's
sort
of
the
challenge
that's
been
laid
out.
The
other
threat
is
in
just
something
that
we
heard
a
lot
in.
C
Our
interviews
is
the
increasing
traffic
and
road
congestion
might
dissuade
ticket
buyers
so
ways
that
you
can
address
that
with
the
county.
Essentially,
so,
in
summary,
covered
seats,
excellent
tech,
sound
and
lighting
rigging,
its
own
expanded
backstage,
will
attract
strong
promoters
who
look
higher
level
artists,
who
will
attract
regional
audience
audiences,
who
will
positively
affect
downtown
Clearwater
right,
better
facility
promoters,
artists,
audiences,
downtown,
the
fully
developed
amphitheater
serving
a
range
of
community
goals
and
other
things
beyond
driving
revenue
we
don't
think
is
likely
to
generate
significant
profits
for
the
city.
C
The
key
driver
and
again
remembers
from
the
discussion
about
food
and
beverage
operation.
So
not
only
it's
not
only
do
you
have
to
invest
in
the
stage
in
the
backstage
in
the
cover,
you've
got
to
really
have
significant
the
food
and
beverage
operations
to
really
tried
that
in
that
room,
the
latest
seating
plan
and
cover
we
think
can
be
reduced
slightly.
More
importantly,
there
should
be
a
deeper
exploration
of
the
opportunities
for
temporary,
flexible
and
retractable
elements
so
as
to
enhance
the
park-like
setting
when
the
amphitheater
is
not
in
use.
C
This
will
allow
the
project
to
serve
the
other
important
goals
that
came
out
of
the
community
input
process
and
also
important
within
that
to
us
is
maintaining
the
the
slight
rate.
The
thing
that
allows
you
to
keep
using
it
as
a
park
when
it's
not
in
use
and
finally,
as
I
just
said,
I,
would
encourage
you
to
take
a
position
on
those
outside
threats
dealing
with
traffic
congestion
when
it
comes
and
so
on.
C
This
is
my
final
slide
here,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
a
couple
of
questions:
do
you
think
that
we
have
fairly
described
the
situation
and
the
prospects
for
the
product
project?
Do
you
think,
there's
additional
information
that
we
need
to
collect
in
order
to
move
forward,
then
I'm
sure,
as
we
march
through
this
together,
we
might
talk
about
the
physical
planning.
That's
now
appropriate
to
sort
of
answer.
C
D
D
F
D
E
Well,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
your
input
today
or
wisdom.
Your
guidance
I
have
two
questions
off
the
top
of
my
head.
You
suggested
that
the
optimum
or
optimum
number
of
seating
2,500
to
3,000,
if,
if
st.
Pete
already
has
a
venue
that
has
2,000
and
and
Ruth
Eckerd
Hall
eyes,
2,200
shouldn't,
we
be
looking
at
a
little
larger
venue.
E
C
There
there
burrow
there
are
several
reasons
why
I've
talked
about
the
idea
of
reducing
that
seating
capacity.
The
first
thing
is
that
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
think
about.
The
total
capacity
is
being
equally
important
as
the
seat
of
the
president.
The
second
reason
is
that
we
see
that
a
lot
of
the
other
venues
in
Florida
and
around
the
country
have
have
a
split
where
2,500
seats
under
cover
seems
to
work
pretty
well.
First,
the
promoters
are
gonna
want
more
than
that,
because
that's
that's
better
for
that
help.
Them
make
more
money.
C
The
other
thing
is
that
you
know
I've
introduced
this
very
complicated
idea
of
retractable
elements.
You
know
they're,
you
know
moving
seating,
finding
it's
smart
way
to
move
seating
in
and
I
thinking
about.
This
idea
of
a
retractable
cover
and
my
suspicion
is
that
the
fewer
seats
you're
trying
to
do
that
with
the
easier
and
less
cost
prohibitive
it
might
be
so
I'm
trying
to
give
the
occurs
the
design
team
to
explore
that,
because
it
may
be
it's
impossible
in
terms
of
the
other
reason.
C
I've
just
left
it
as
that
range
2500
to
3000
is
that
the
second
part
of
my
work
is
writing
the
operating
budget.
So
I
want
to
be
able
to
drill
down
on
that
issue
within
the
operating
budget,
but
my
short
answer
is
I.
Don't
think
that
dropping
those
seats
will
prevent
you
from
getting
the
ax
that
you
want
to
get.
C
Yes,
if
you're,
if
it
helps
you
know,
you
have
less
sound
and
inside
the
cover,
you
still
have
the
folks
outside.
So
you've
got
up.
You
still
have
to
have
the
same
speakers
going
beyond
the
cover.
So
if
there
was
just
an
event
seats
under
cover,
the
sound
level
can
come
down
quite
substantially.
If
you
still
got
people
out
on
one,
the.
G
It
was
an
extremely
comprehensive
amount
of
information
study
in
two
weeks,
a
lot
of
valuable
stuff.
There
were
several
things
that
stood
out
for
me,
so
I'm
gonna
go
specifically
straight
to
a
few
questions
regarding
the
footprint
the
entire
sky
size
of
the
stage.
I
think
you
said
her
band
show
was
twenty
four
hundred
and
that,
whether
its
name
but
theater
bench
or
whichever
direction
we
go,
that
2,400
you
thought
would
be
enough
was
that
after
calm
cat
conversations
with
the
Florida
orchestra,
2400.
C
G
G
Secondly,
the
this
is
the
CD
number
and
I'm
gonna
ask
a
few
questions
off
of
the
same
kind
of
direction.
Mr.
Koerner
plant-
and
you
gave
some
explanation
and
it
was
a
matter
of
balance
and
I
want
to
go
back
to
this.
Our
conversation
when
I
suggested
to
you
scale
the
size
and
scale
of
this
pavilion
band,
show
with
the
entire
coachman
park
and
I'm
gonna,
go
to
just
a
couple
examples:
the
Cynthia
woods
and
the
st.
Augustine.
G
How
many
acres
is
Cynthia
woods,
total
Park
and
then
the
percentage
of
of
there,
and
what
also
interesting
to
note
I
think
what
they
wanted
to
accomplish
in
Houston.
They
wanted
a
signature
iconic,
which
is
very
similar.
What
we're
trying
to
do
now,
I'm,
not
even
suggesting
anything
that
large,
although
the
numbers
aren't
that
off
but
I
the
scale
is
really
important
to
me:
the
scale
the
entire
park
they
have
and
what
was
their
massing
for
their
so.
C
C
G
Park
is
going
to
be
really
a
dedicated
certain
amount
of
space
for
the
entertainment
area
and
then
the
rest
of
it
is
which
is
substantially
a
large
footprint.
So
to
me,
scale
is
really
important,
and
so,
when
you
consider
whether
it's
2,500,
3,000
3,500,
would
that
scale
of
say
something
even
the
size
of
let's
that
scale
down
to
the
st.
Augustine
question,
the
percentage
of
mo'ne
acres,
somebody
refresh
my
memories
are
coaster:
3,
acres,
yeah,
so
st.
Augustine
entire
footprint,
how
many
acres
is
theirs
with
their
covered
seating?
You.
C
G
G
What
percentage
will
this
entertainment
piece
of
this
total
park
occupy
on
this
part,
because
I
think
that's
important
for
citizens
to
understand
and
if
we're
cutting
back
the
seating
to
2,500
to
balance
the
concerns
with
the
citizenry
and
the
cost
of
a
retractable
roof
which
which
I
don't
I?
Don't
when
you
talk
about
scale
the
total
park,
I
don't
find,
first
of
all,
I'm
sure,
feasibly.
G
You
gave
one
instance
where
they're
going
back
now,
and
especially
all
the
concert
venues
there
they're
covering
their
seedings
and
if
they're,
coming
back
and
spending
nine
million
dollars
to
put
a
retractable
roof
in
that,
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
for
us
to
even
consider
doing
that.
So
if
the
that
the
compromise
in
the
2500
seating
is
based
upon
that
part
of
that,
because
the
retractable
roof
would
be
cheaper
to
cover
that
many,
it's
like
what
are
we?
What
are
we
compromising
by
cutting
back
on
the
seating?
G
We
don't
want
to
lose
that
to
st.
Pete,
because
we've
been
told
by
aje
been
told
by
several
folks
that
if
we
don't
build
this
right,
st.
P
Tampa,
those
who
are
already
enjoying
economic
issue,
huge
economic
stimulus,
they're
going
to
build
it,
and
then
we
will
miss
this
market.
So
I'm
not
sure
the
2500
is
good,
it
might
work.
We
may
fill
it
all
the
time,
but
where
are
we
now
five
ten
years
into
the
future?
So
I
had
a
couple
other
questions.
The
total
acreage
can
I
reserve
the
right
to
come
back.
G
H
H
You
know
be
preferable
to
be
indoors
at
Ruth,
Eckerd
Hall,
someone
who
can
sell
more
than
2500
seats
is
what's
gonna,
be
looking
at
our
venue
here,
because
it's
not
a
2500
seat
venue,
it's
25
to
3,000
seats
covered,
which
would
be
your
premium
seats,
higher
ticket
cost
and
then
the
lawn
itself
to
be
able
to
put
your
larger
number.
The
capacity
on
them
am
I
missing
something
there.
That's
right,
I
mean
they're,
not
really
competing.
We're
not
compete
at
Country.
C
Different
experience
and
again,
you
know
our
contention
is
that
the
the
trend
in
these
facilities
is
is
away
from.
You
know,
just
the
traditional
fix
eating
amphitheaters
to
amphitheaters
that
have
more
flexibility
than
more
options,
and
particularly
for
younger
people.
The
way
that
they
want
to
experience
these
events
is
different.
They
want
to
be
able
to
move
around,
they
want
to
dance,
they
want
to
do
different
things
and,
and
so
we're
stressing
a
total
capacity.
Number
of
10,000
to
us
is
equally
important
as
the
number
of
seats
that
you
have
America
and.
H
I'm
and
I'm
a
little
cautious
in
your
presentation
and
I
look
forward
to
getting
into
the
no-gun
discussion,
but
you
also
relied
or
suggested
fairly
heavily
that
the
profitability
of
it
falls
to
food
and
beverage
or
could
fall
towards
food
and
beverage.
But
historically,
for
us,
everything
has
been
done
by
outside
vendors
and
the
city
does
not
participate
in
the
revenue
of
the
food
and
beverage.
That
of
the
events.
To
my
knowledge,
some
booths
yeah,
you
know
so
it's
it's
yeah.
H
F
B
D
I
Written
well,
a
couple
of
things:
I
want
to
discuss
and
since
we're
talking
about
it,
the
food
and
beverage
I
always
visualize
this
as
not
having
the
same
kind
of
food
and
beverages,
jazz
holiday
or
the
C
blues
festival
where
they
bring
yeah.
You
know
have
the
food
vendors
down
there,
because
this
is
something
that's
gonna
to
me.
It's
always
been
something
that
will
help
downtown
restaurants
and
in
people.
So
you
know
by
the
time
we
figure
out
where
we're
gonna
be
parking,
putting
a
parking
garage.
I
I
You
know
this
is
a
lot
different
than
a
lot
of
the
ones
you've
shown
because
we're
on
a
I
mean
I
saw
that
are
on
the
beach
on
some
of
those
well
we're
on
up
a
bay
on
a
bluff
and
right
in
our
downtown
and
when
Harbor
View
gets
torn
down
next
month.
People
are
gonna,
see
this.
It's
just
gonna
open
wide
up
to
this
new
venue
that
we've
been
imagining
for
a
couple
of
years.
Now,
that's
matching
Clearwater
and
to
me
it's
not
a
it's.
I
I
Think
part
of
the
the
draw
is
not
going
to
be
just
who
we
have
playing
there,
but
I
mean
I,
see
a
lot
of
different
types
of
things
going
on
down
there
and
people
will
come
just
to
say,
hey,
let's,
go
see
a
sunset
and
listen
some
music.
You
know
right
on
the
water
and
that's
our
biggest
at
least
to
me.
It's
always
been
the
wild
part
of
this
whole
thing.
I
So
I
think,
if
we're
looking
to
try
to
make
money
that
we
ought
to
not
be
looking
on
the
food
and
the
beverage
part
of
it,
I
mean
we
can
have
some
of
that
down
there
for
the
convenience
during
the
show
that
people
can
get
something,
but
we
want.
We
don't
want
to
take
away
anything
from
downtown.
At
least
that's
my
thought.
D
D
D
You
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
and
I
think
I'm
hearing
that
we're
disagreeing
or
some
of
us
are
disagreeing
about
the
flexibility
in
terms
of
why
do
people
come
to
an
event
and
what
kind
of
an
event
are
you
gonna
have
if
you're
gonna
have
a
paid
event,
people
are
gonna,
come
because
they're
gonna
pay
for
the
artists,
at
least
in
my
opinion
and
they're.
Not
necessarily
you
know,
you
said
something
about
people
come
early,
they
stay
late,
so
I
guess
our
dilemma
is
how
do
we
encourage
them
to
take
advantage
of
what
mr.
C
You
are,
you
are
bound
to
have
flexibility
because
of
the
turbo
restrictions.
You
cannot
have
seating
that
sits
permanently.
It
has
to
move
in
and
out.
So
we
already
know
that,
so
the
trick
is
to
develop
seating
systems
and
ways
where
it's
easy
to
move
it
in,
and
even
where.
There's
flexibility
within
that.
C
You
know
for
a
Florida
Orchestra
performance
that
that
audience
will
want
to
sit
and
see
no
question,
but
we
might
be
able
to
get
them
to
do
as
often
happens
in
other
classical
music
venues
is
that
they've
picnicked
on
the
lawn
for
the
performance
or
eaten
in
downtown
before
the
performance,
but
then
they
want
to
come
and
sit
in
the
fixed
seats.
Journal
show.
D
It
in
my
mind,
I'm
thinking
that
this
area
is
not
going
to
be
something
you're
going
to
come
and
just
watch
a
sunset
when
there's
an
event
going
on,
because
white
am
I,
gonna
pay
to
go
watch
before
the
sunset
on
the
Saturday
went
on
a
Friday
or
the
Thursday
I
can
come
down
and
it's
an
open
venue.
So
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind.
The
flexibility
is,
is
the
key
to
all
of
this
and
not
put
something
that
is
too
large
and
while
I
understand
were
where
you
were
going.
Mr.
C
With
regards
to
the
cost
of
building
that
to
the
retractable
and
the
flexible
loans,
I
get
quote
a
couple
of
sort
of
exorbitant
price
tags
or
adding
a
roof
for
doing
a
retractable
roof.
Those
are
projects
where
they're
coming
in
after
the
fact
of
trying
do
something
that
wasn't
originally
in
the
design.
My
hope
is
that
you
will
at
least
allow
your
design
team
to
explore
a
little
bit
what's
possible
on
this
site
as
a
part
of
the
design
going
in.
C
I
G
I
G
G
J
J
J
B
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
yeah
cuz
the
other
thing
that
that
that
I
don't
really
want
to
see
happening
as
what
we
do
now
is
bringing
in
right.
You
know
two
weeks
to
put
on
the
Jazz
holiday
with
you
know,
setup
and
teardown
I
mean
we
want
to
have
things
there
and
just
kind
of
go
in
and
have
it
happen
and
then
be
available
after
that
for
the
public
to
go
back
out
in
the
park.
So.
A
E
H
I
B
I
believe
mr.
Webb
is
intending
on
when
we
need
to
do
is
to
the
second
part
the
financial
feasibility
he'll.
Do
it
based
on
having
that
back
of
house
in
it.
So
the
all
the
electrical
that
occurs,
all
of
the
not
keeping
maintenance
that
will
all
be
factored
into
the
business
plan
that
it's
gonna
do
and.
H
And
I
think
one
of
the
other
things
that
gets
lost
is
it
make
it
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
when
you
look
at
the
entire
imagine
clear
water
plan
with
with
all
of
the
park
area
to
on
the
north
end
and
the
estuary
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
on
the
south
end
and
everything
else,
we
haven't
taken
any
of
that
land
away
for
this
project.
This
project
is
all
fitting
within
the
area
that
was
allotted
for
it,
correct
that.
B
H
Gonna
get
into
the
significant
slump
discussion
right
now,
because
I
can
tell
you
right
now:
you're
you're,
at
sea
level,
down
there,
you
can't
dig
into
the
ground
because
you're
gonna
hit
water
and
to
have
to
build
any
significant
slope.
We're
gonna
have
to
basically
it's
gonna
wall
off
the
I.
Don't
think
we
can
have
any
significant
sloping
to
it.
Personally,
that's
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure.
If
anybody
disagrees
with
that,
but
it
just
can.
It
is
gonna,
be
what
it
is.
H
D
G
You
just
a
clearing
in
my
mind
the
stage
that's
down
there
right
now
this
weekend,
and
that
will
be
there
next
weekend.
That
is
Chris's.
That's
60
by
40
that
superstructure
that's
rented
right
now
and
the
conversations
with
the
Florida
orchestra
is
they
can
fit
fine
without
that,
so
our
stage
would
actually
this
the
new
proposed
stage
would
be
skinnier
in
the
back
but
wider
in
the
front.
G
B
G
G
H
G
No
I
just
mean
they're
gonna.
They
want
to
program
six
to
eight
concerts.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
if
they're
good
everybody's
good,
so
the
other
thing
I
want
to
do
is
so
I
know.
I
went
to
the
with
the
weekend
festivities
blast.
Writer
was
great
by
the
way.
5,000
people
in
attendance
Friday
night
was
fantastic,
great
seafood
and
Blues
Festival
next
weekend,
but
I
think
we
had
Sunday
night
office.
8,000
people
in
coachman
Park
this
coming
weekend,
is
sold
out
12,500
tickets.
G
Now,
if
our
total
park
capacity
is
gonna,
be
10
we're
already
downsizing
what
we
want
and
I'm
just
gonna
suggest
to
the
rest
of
the
council
and
I
know,
mayor
I
think
we
all
agree
on
iconic
I
think
we
all
agree
on
capacity
for
the
future.
I
think
we
really
have
to
consider
and
I'm
not
looking
for
Cynthia
woods,
but
something
more
in
line
with
st.
Augustine,
because
we
have
such
a
massive
footprint
we're
all
most
of
the
asphalt's
going
to
go
away.
G
C
F
G
C
Mean
it's
it's
not
that
big
I
don't
think
you
have
to
you
know
the
idea
of
me
me
saying
ten,
thousands,
probably
okay,
it's
it's
not
a
big
deal
to
the
offering
15,000
or
18,000,
because
the
fact
is
it's
a
park
when
it's
not
in
use
and
it
isn't
like
it's
removed
from
park
use
if
it's
within.
So
you
know,
I
said
you
most
of
the
time.
You
really
only
need
along
to
pass
a
10,000,
but
I
wouldn't
want
you
to
reduce
the
size
of
that
area.
C
G
G
D
Iii
think
I
think
what
we're
hearing
is
that
he
needs
some.
You
know.
Are
we
comfortable
with
some
flexibility?
You
know
to
try
to
figure
out
exactly
what
will
work
best.
We
will
never
be
able
to
provide
enough
seated
capacity
for
certain
events.
You
know
we
will
never
be
able
to
provide
enough
standing
room
or
long
seating
to
certain
events.
We
can't
build
to
the
maximum.
You
know
just
like.
We
can't
provide
enough
lanes
on
a
highway,
so
there
will
never
be
a
traffic
jam.
D
We
have
to
figure
out
what
will
work
more
frequently
and
be
more
suitable
for
a
variety
of
different
types
of
events.
You
know
we
have
how
many
events
at
the
park
now
and
in
only
one
or
two
of
them
get
up
to
above
10,000,
so
it
would
be
foolish
to
build
for
15,000
when
we're
not
even
there.
Yet,
with
what
we've
got
you
know,
and
and
let's
keep
in
mind
again-
we
can't
do
anything
permanent.
You
know
we
can't
have
permanent
seats
there,
so
we
can't
look
at
the
st.
D
D
I
C
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
thing
to
have,
because
there
are
some
events
that
you
that
they
don't
want
to
have
any
roof
at
all,
and
they
don't
want
to
have
any
seats
at
all.
They
want
grass
all
the
way
down
to
the
front.
I
also
think
that
the
technologies
are
advancing
rapidly,
such
that
the
costs
associated
with
some
level
of
a
retractable
roof
is
at
least
worth
exploring,
and
the
third
reason
is
is
not
having
that
roof.
G
I
I
D
H
C
C
F
I
I
I
got
I
asked
to
have
a
detailed
drawing
which
mr.
Maxwell
did
give
me.
That's
scalable
and
I
did
scale
out
after
the
roof
extension
of
we
were
talking,
3,500
seats,
I
think
well
I.
Maybe
it
was
even
for
that
we
had
an
area
bigger
than
a
football
field
left
over
in
the
green
area,
which
is
huge
compared.
We
have
now
a
kosher
park.
So
this
was
my
question
with.
If
we
put
18,000
people
in
that
thing,
is
the
fire
marshal
gonna
say
no
or
so
you're
gonna?
B
J
B
I
H
A
Mr.
horn,
you
know
with
you
know
right
now,
if
we
just
look
at
what's
on
our
table
right
now,
jazz
holiday
is,
is
always
gonna,
look
to
put
as
many
people
in
the
park
as
they
can
get
there,
and
so
let's
say
we
have
3,000
comfort,
seating.
You
know
they're
gonna
push
to
get
as
many
people
to
come
in
that
grass
area
behind
it.
On
the
other
hand,
if
you
look
at
awhile
splash
event,
you
know
I'm
gonna
limit.
A
You
know
how
many
people
were
gonna
have
in
that
type
of
an
event,
because
there
are
other
dynamics
that
need
to
be
managed,
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
be
interested
in
having
you
know,
15,000
people
in
that
part
when,
when
we
know
what
our
challenges
are
there,
it's
a
great
event-
everybody
loves
it,
but
it's
a
different
managed
event
compared
to
a
Jazz
holiday,
and
so
there
will
be
other
events
where
the
focus
won't
be
on
the
max
capacity.
The
focus
will
be
on
the
niche,
the
niche
audience.
A
You
know
we're
at
C
blooms
this
weekend
and
that
seems
to
be
that
will
continue
to
grow,
but
it
is
a
niche
group
and
and
they
seem
to
be
pretty
comfortable
with
seven
or
eight
thousand
people
there
and-
and
you
know,
I
see
that
as
fitting
in
very
nicely.
You
know
over
a
couple
of
days,
but
there
may
be
other
groups,
you
know
as
well.
Yes,.
B
Just
one
last
comment
on
the
18,000
Syrah,
where
they,
if
we
went
to
that
number,
because
that's
basically
just
based
on
me
on
the
green
area
that
does
push
out
the
other
amenities,
such
as
the
restrooms,
because
you
need
to
bring
in
other
restrooms
and
the
food
service,
all
those
things
out
into
other
areas,
the
hardscaped
park,
so
the
footprint
open
becomes
larger
and
you're
gonna
have
to
close
down
more
areas
of
the
park.
That's
just
if
you
go
to
a
bit
of
the
high
end.
Just
you
know.
G
B
G
Would
agree
with
you
Mike
and
you
mayor
is
that
if
we
have
those
one-off
events
weather
a
bit
like
Jazz
holiday,
brings
in
Lady
Gaga
or
whatever,
to
have
the
capacity
to
stand
them
up
shoulder
to
shoulder
our
mercial
approval
is
gonna,
be
a
one-off
and
we
need
more
infrastructure,
we're
pretty
good
written
for
let's
so
that
can't
happen.
I
wanted
to
just
touch
one
last
question,
because
Florida
orchestras
is
well
loved.
The
night
Tampa
Bay
area
and
to.
G
For
doesn't
how
many
of
our
shows
they're
willing
to
do
one
of
the
things
that
several
of
these
venues
utilizes
is
it's
about
the
VIP
area,
food
and
beverages.
But
you
talk
about
a
flat
surface
out
in
front,
so
in
the
options
that
you
come
back
with,
that
would
be
a
very
popular
sale
item.
This
VIP
table
potential
front
side
somewhere,
maybe
not
front
sides,
but
something
like
that,
especially
for
an
audience
like
the
floor
Orchestra.
So.
C
Chris
Sprague
and
the
design
team
are
very
worried
about
what
that
does
to
site
lines.
I'm
gonna
try
with
them
to
negotiate
an
area
of
front.
Maybe
I
can
get
a
few
hundred
people
up
front
to
do
something
without
really
missing.
Can
I
ask
one
question:
backup
counsel,
because
mr.
Allbritton
excuse
me
if
I
mispronounce,
that
you
raised
a
good
point
about
driving
downtown
spin
know
that
we
really
dug
into
the
question
of
the
profitability
vamp
of
these
amphitheaters,
because
that
kept
coming
up
in
our
you
know.
Bottom.
C
If
you
really
want
to
drive
bottom-line
profitability,
it's
really
about
food
and
beverage
operations,
but
many
of
you
said
in
the
interviews.
The
project
is
is
more
than
anything
else
about
driving
downtown
development
in
downtown
revitalization,
so
in
my
business
plan
can
I
can
I
pull
back
on
going
a
hundred
percent
on
food
and
beverage
in
order
to
respond
to
that
other
goal
of
driving
downtown
revitalization.
C
I
Saying
they
they
probably
need
something
down
there,
cuz
I,
get
fun
middle
of
confident
I
get
thirsty.
I,
don't
want
to
walk
back
up
the
hill
together.
You
know
I'd
like
to
get
something
there,
but
I
don't
want
to
take
the
opportunity
for
somebody
they
have
dinner.
You
know
out
of
a
food
truck
when
they
could
be
eating
downtown
and
then
going
down
the
event.
So
let.
D
Series
on
things
that
we,
you
know
from
my
perspective,
it's
a
whole
lot
better
to
have
something
down
there,
that's
going
to
attract
people
not
just
for
the
special
events,
but
so
that
they
come
back
when
there's
nothing
going
on
at
that
Park,
so
that
they
can
support
the
downtown
businesses
and
use
the
the
park
as
it
as
something
extra
we're
not
building
this
park.
It
is
my
view
no
I
I.
Think
we
have
to
keep
that
in
mind
is
what
I'm
saying
I
could.
I
Be
flexible
but
I.
That
is
just
something
that
I'm
passionate
about
is
cuz.
I,
think
that
this
is
gonna
be
a
real
spark
for
the
downtown
and
I
don't
want
to
just
like
when
we
have
events
downtown
I,
don't
like
to
bring
in
a
lot
of
food
vendors
and
put
them
right
in
front
the
restaurants,
yeah
Louella.
A
Ok,
we
have
created
a
culture,
an
entertainment
culture
right
now
to
your
point
that
if
I
come
down,
I
will
get
a
full
meal
among
those
vendors
that
we
are
currently
using
to
support
the
events,
so
it
is
highly
unlikely,
see:
blues
jazz
holiday,
some
of
the
other
concerts
Hispanic
heritage,
that
I
will
go
downtown
and
eat
a
meal
after
I've
been
down
here.
You
know,
that's
like
what
you're
saying
there
are
some
relevance
to
that
because
of
how
we
have
kind
of
cultivated.
You
know
how
people
meet
those
food
and
dining.
A
These
I
was
sitting
here.
Thinking
earlier
and
I'm
thinking
to
accomplish.
Councilmember
all
prisons
go.
We
we
really
have
to
limit
how
much
how
many
food
options
and
drink
options
we
have
here.
If
we
want
people
to
be
encouraged
to
go
downtown
to
eat
cuz
right
now,
you
know
I'm
sure.
That's
not
a
second
thought
Oh
unless
they
like
clear
sky
or
they
have
a
passion
for
Thai
food
or
something
like
that.
We're
a
destiny.
A
D
I
B
True,
that's
right:
it
is
just
real
quickly.
I
did
pull
up
some
of
the
numbers
for
revenues
for
the
2017-2018
season.
Those
smaller
concerts,
Third,
Eye,
Blind,
Sammy
Hagar,
both
at
89%
of
the
revenue
was
food
and
beverage.
You
look
at
something
like
a
sieve.
Lose
it
was
closer
to
about
36
percent
of
the
revenue,
so
it
does
vary
by
this
by
the
different
type
of
event.
Duncan
will
get
that
information
and
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
try
to
work
through
that.
We
will
have,
of
course,
parking
options
upstream
up
on
the
side
of
Osceola.
B
G
Two
more
comments
on
that.
Please,
on
the
food
thing,
it's
like
the
parking,
it's
an
it's
an
absolute
necessary
amenity.
This
is
imagine
Clearwater,
that's
supposed
to
be
the
stimulus
for
the
active
edge
in
Osceola
which
will
migrate
to
downtown
the
the
goal
of
imagine
Clearwater
is
not
to
give
them
food
options.
Convenience
the
amenity
of
eating
down
there
and
force
them
to
either
come
early
enough
to
eat
downtown.
It's
supposed
to
stimulate
that
bring
people
on
a
regular
basis
and
then,
if
they
choose,
the
whole
idea
is
to
bring
development.
G
B
G
Except
in
the
case
of
Jazz
holiday,
where
there's
and
I
don't
yeah,
their
vendors
paid
quite
a
bit
to
be
there,
but
we
have
a
captured
audience
of
I
mean
they're,
getting
twenty
five.
Thirty
thousand
people
for
four
days,
for
instance
on
Jazz
holiday.
They
recover
their
vendor
fees,
I'm
happy
to
do
it
well.
I
D
Gonna
close
by
repeating
my
favorite
thing
is
that
if
we
do
a
good
job
on
all
of
this,
people
are
gonna,
come
back
not
just
for
the
special
events.
They're
gonna
come
back
to
coachman
park.
To
imagine
clear
water
to
the
downtown
because
of
everything
else
that
goes
on
in
this
special
events
is
that
the.