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C
Thank
you
chuck
lane
economic
development,
housing
department,
the
city
of
clearwater,
was
notified
last
year
that
it
would
receive
an
allocation
of
home
art
funds
from
from
hud
the
united
states
department
of
housing
and
urban
development.
Hud
requires
us
to
add
these
funds
to
our
budget
by
processing
a
substantial
amendment
to
our
annual
action
plan.
Our
current
year
annual
action
plan,
the
amount
of
the
allocation,
one
million
six
hundred
thirty
seven
thousand
five
hundred
sixty
seven
dollars
home
art
funds
and
the
arp
of
course
is
short
for
american
rescue
plan.
C
They
have
very
different
guidelines
than
our
traditional
home
investment
partnership
program.
Our
regular
home
program
is
all
about
housing
units
with
home
r
funding
is
required
to
serve
the
qualifying
population,
which
is
the
homeless
or
people
with
incomes
below
50
percent
of
area
median
income
who
are
facing
the
imminent
threat
of
becoming
homeless.
C
We
can
do
this
through
certain
housing
programs,
such
as
rental
assistance
or
new
construction.
We
can
also
do
it
through
public
service
programs.
On
january
20th
city
staff
conducted
a
workshop
for
non-profit
organizations
that
might
apply
for
funding.
We
began
accepting
applications
on
the
following
day.
C
We
convened
the
technical
review
committee
to
review
and
rank
the
completed
applications.
The
trc,
the
technical
review
committee,
recommended
funding
six
six
projects.
One
is
a
housing
development
project
at
the
former
site
of
fire
station
45
this
past
december.
If
you
remember,
I
recommended
a
funding
strategy
to
council
which
included
850
000
of
these
funds
towards
that
project,
so
that
amount
is
included
in
this
allocation
plan.
C
We're
also
proposing
134
750
to
hope
villages
of
america
to
provide
rental
assistance
to
people
exiting
grace
house,
which
is
a
family
homeless,
shelter
and
also
those
exiting
their
shelter
for
victims
of
domestic
violence,
which
is
called
the
haven.
C
The
knowledge
opportunity
council
is
requesting
100
thousand
dollars
to
assist,
assist,
qualifying
people
with
utilities,
fuel
and
rental
mortgage
assistance,
homeless,
empowerment
program
requested
292
thousand
dollars
to
help
families
in
its
trend
in
its
family
transition
program,
which
provides
shelter
and
comprehensive
support
services.
C
The
homeless
leadership
alliance
monitors
clients
that
are
that
are
referred
to
service
programs
throughout
pinellas
county
they've
requested
forty
six
thousand
one
hundred
eighty
dollars
for
what
they
determine
the
financial
assistance
is
needed
to
prevent
or
divert
a
clearwater
person
or
family
from
entering
the
homeless
system
of
care,
with
housing.
Being
part
of
that
solution.
C
St
vincent
de
paul,
community,
kitchen
and
resource
center
has
requested
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
expand
supporting
services
to
help
clients
with
housing,
support
addiction,
recovery,
mental
illness
and
employment
readiness.
So
that's
the
staff
recommendation
for
the
allocation
of
the
home
art
funds.
Creating
this
substantial
amendment
also
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
clean
up
our
current
budget
for
our
use
of
cdbg
and
home
funds.
I'll
briefly,
take
you
through
those
changes.
So,
as
you
all
know,
we're
still
facing
a
challenging
construction
climate,
one
of
our
planned
public
facilities
improvements
project
was
cancelled.
C
This
gave
us
the
opportunity
to
shift
additional
funding
to
other
other
construction
projects
that
came
in
over
budget.
Some
of
the
adjustments
shift
also
under
our
public
service
programs,
and
that
was
really
a
matter
of
the
performance
of
our
sub
recipients
and
spending
funds.
We
have
a
couple
of
new
cdbg
projects
involving
city,
owned
property.
The
parks
and
recreation
department
will
be
constructing
a
recreational
pier
in
lake
valley
in
lake
bellevue,
behind
roche
norton
recreation
center.
I
will
use
ninety
thousand
dollars
towards
that
project.
C
Also,
the
the
elks
logs
elks
lodge
demolition
came
in
well
over
budget,
mostly
due
to
asbestos
found
in
the
building
we'll
use.
Eighty
three
thousand
eight
hundred
eighty
seven
dollars
in
cdbg
to
cover
the
over
budget
amount.
It's
still
a
community
conversation.
We
need
to
have
surrounding
that
demolition.
That'll
occur
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and,
lastly,
the
neighborhood,
affordable
housing
advisory
board,
passed
a
motion
recommended
council
approval
of
this
item.
That
meeting
was
on
may
10th,
so
I'll
take
questions.
Please.
D
Yeah-
I
just
took
this
note,
so
I
just
wanted.
I
understand
the
elks
lodge
demolition,
but
I
I'm
wondering
about
the
ross
norton
recreational
pier
I'm
all
for
that
recreational
pier
out
there.
The
residents
really
want
it.
It
was
there
before.
C
Well,
it's
it's
in
a
low
to
moderate
income
area
and
that
recreation
pier
will
be
available
to
all
of
those
residents.
That's
really
what
it
comes
down
to.
It's
also
we're
not
using
token
funds,
but
that
kind
of
recreational
amenity
is
also
applicable
for
covet
funds
because
it
encourages
outdoor
recreation.
D
Okay
and
then,
when
you
have
on
the
legislative
text,
blue
sky
communities
amount
recommended
875
000,
which
again
I'm
okay
with
with
that
amount
in
it
going
to
blue
sky.
But
what's
the
difference
between
amount
recommended
and
some
of
them,
an
amount
requested?
Did
blue
sky
not
request
those
funds
and
we're
just
recommending
or
what's.
C
D
Okay
and
and
then
I
I
think,
the
hla
amount
requested
that
was
so
specific
forty
six
thousand
one
hundred
and
eightieths
to
share
case
management
with
another
municipality.
That's
my
understanding.
C
C
D
Like
housing,
navigators,
yeah,
yeah
and
homeless,
diversion
and
production,
and
then
I
had
a
question
about
the
remaining
139
137
will
be
budgeted
for
admin
expenses
and
again
I
generally
understand
you
know
that
we
that
they
allow
like
10
for
admin.
It's
is
this
admin
expenses
for
your
department
or
is
it
for
the
admin
expenses
on
where
those
funds
go
to
each
different.
D
C
C
D
I'm
all
for
the
admin
expenses
I
mean.
We
need
that
and
then,
when
we
talk
about
the
peer
construction
and
the
elks
lodge
the
last
part,
when
do
we
anticipate
those
to
start.
C
The
pier
I
built
they're
going
to
start
that
as
quickly
as
they
can.
I
know
jim
helios
is
here
if
he
needs
to
answer
that
question.
Hopefully,
within
the
next
couple
of
months
the
elks
lodge
we'd
like
to
get
it
demolished,
we'd
like
to
begin.
It
later
begin
that
project
later
this
month,.
C
C
F
I
bay
well
jim.
What
was
mentioned
earlier,
though,
is
we
need
to
have
a
community
conversation
prior
to
the
demolition
of
the
elks
lodge
right,
yeah.
C
The
last
cup
we've
had
two
cra
workshops:
north
greenwich
area
workshops,
in
both
of
those
workshops,
we've
heard
people
from
the
community
talk
about.
Well,
let's
save
the
elks
lodge,
let's,
let's
refurbish
it
historic
preservation
and
as
staff.
We
all
understand
the
value
in
historic
preservation.
C
There
is
a
line
when
it
becomes
impractical
as
a
matter
of
cost,
and
I've
had
engineers
through
that
building.
I've
had
our
building
inspectors
through
that
building.
That
building
is
is
too
far
gone
to
take
on
that
effort,
it
would
cost
two
to
three
times
more.
We
know
about
the
tif
funding
with
the
cra
there's
not.
There
may
not
be
a
ton
whatever
we
spend
on
that
on
that
building
is
money
not
spent
elsewhere.
A
A
G
Started
probably
60
to
90
days
just
depending
on
we
can
get
a
contractor
out
there.
Luckily,
we've
replaced
working
on
replacing
some
piers
in
other
parks,
so
we're
working
with
a
contractor
engineering
firm.
So
I
think
they're
ready
to
go
so
that
60
to
90
day
threshold
is
what
we're
looking
at.
F
F
C
A
H
Chuck
this
has
to
do
with
I've
been
hearing
from
some
of
our
citizens
that
in
the
senior
living
facilities
that
their
rates
are
rising
more
than
they
can
afford,
is
there
anything
in
this
package
that
can
help
them
on
some
of
our
senior
living
facilities?
In
this.
C
E
I
So
also
hep
is
requesting
money
for
move-in
expenses
for
homeless
families
with
minor
children
moving
from
their
shelter
to
affordable
housing.
I
I
was
looking
at
the
the
presentation
here
and
the
available
homes
there
are
to
move
people
into.
Can
you
give
us
an
idea
of?
Is
there
a
long
waiting
list
for
homeless
people
to
find.
C
There's
waiting
lists
everywhere,
particularly
at
the
lower
at
the
you
know,
at
the
low
income.
If
you
will
projects
the
the
the
affordable
housing
projects,
workforce
housing,
any
anywhere
where
rent
is,
is
limited.
Based
on
income,
I
mean
there
are
massive
waiting
lists.
You
know
we
we
have
some
projects
in
the
pipeline
and
and
that
will
provide
some
relief.
But
yes,
the
waiting
list,
searches
they're
there
and
there's
not
much.
We
can
do
about
those.
We
keep
referring
people,
people
keep
calling
getting
in
line.
That's
that's
the
best
you.
I
Know
I
applied
for
a
55
plus
place
back
in
2017
and
there
was
a
year
and
a
half
waiting
list
for
that
and
then,
when
my
time
slot
came
up,
I
was
in
the
hospital
and
couldn't
take
advantage
of
it.
So
back
at
the
end
of
the
list,
I
was
trying
to
help
a
homeless
woman.
I
met
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
on
the
street
trying
to
find
a
place,
and
you
know
it
is.
I
It
is
insanely
tough.
Is
this
a
moment
where
we
could
be
talking
about
the
the
feeding
of
the
meeting
that
we
went
to
the
other
okay.
A
J
A
For
every
section,
8
property
that
exists
and
there's
a
lot
more
to
it
than
that,
but
a
lot
of
the
properties
have
escalated
in
price
they're,
no
longer
even
section
8
level.
So
then
they're
moving
to
market
rate
and
then
there's
other
issues
too.
I
D
We
also
have
years
for
permanent
support
of
housing
or
section
8
housing
people
on
social
security
disability,
it's
years
that
they
wait
for
that.
So
it's
it's
a
crisis.
I
did
have
one
other
question
about
the
allocations
and
it
really
has
to
do
with
the
allocation
of
money
to
hope
villages,
and
there
has
been
some
concern
about
their
management
and
administrative
issues.
D
D
You
know
the
eeoc
concluded
it
was
unable
to
conclude
whether
discrimination
took
place
but
granted
the
women
the
right
to
sue,
hope,
villages
which
two
of
them
are
doing.
So
I
just
you
know,
I'm
not
making
any
judgments,
because
that's
in
the
process,
but
are
you,
are
we
doing
anything
I
mean?
Do
you
feel,
obviously
you
must
feel
comfortable,
allocating
that
money
to
hope
villages?
Are
we
going
to
do
anything
different
for
oversight
and
those.
C
So
those
suits
you
referred
to.
We
asked
our
legal
department
to
look
at
that
to
see.
If
really
there
was
a
basis
that
it
might
affect
our
our
funding
levels
and
and-
and
they
said
no-
those
are
allegations
at
this
point,
so
we
proceeded.
C
I
think
the
the
reason
that
the
public
facility
project
that
I
mentioned
that
was
cancelled.
It
was
their
project
to
expand
grace
house,
and
I
think
I
think
that
cancellation
was
really
a
function
of
their
ability
to
manage
that
facility.
At
this
point,
they
lost
a
ton
of
money
from
jwb
that
was
the
management
funds.
They
used
to
run
that
program,
so
yeah
we're
going
to
be
watching
closely.
C
We
always
do
we're
going
to
make
sure
they
spend
the
funds
and
spend
them
appropriately
as
long
as
they
do
we'll
work
with
them,
because
they
do
a
lot
of
good
in
our
community.
You
know
yeah,
there's
been
some
some
criticisms
of
them,
but
they
do
a
lot
of
good
in
our
community
for
these
folks,
particularly
in
the
area
of
family
homelessness,
which
is
an
acute
problem.
I.
K
While
reviewing
this,
I
was,
I
have
to
be
honest.
I
was
very
discouraged
when
I
saw
the
blue
sky
allocation
that
I'm
looking
at
175
000
for
five
units,
just
like
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
and
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
any
other
organizations
out
there
that
would
provide
higher
density,
creative
solutions,
because
at
175
k
for
five
units
really
does
not
does
not
have
a
big
impact.
C
We
put
out
a
notice
of
funding
availability,
that's
how
we
do
this.
We
can.
We
we
had
a
public
outreach
effort.
We
had
a
workshop,
invited
all
folks
that
we
thought
might
be
eligible
to
apply
for
this,
and
these
are
the
applications
that
we
receive.
Now
it's
it's
actually
875
000
towards
blue
sky,
which
you
know
maybe
makes
your
argument
a
little
bit
better.
C
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
if-
and
we
explain
this
in
december-
if
if
we
don't
bring
that
funding
to
blue
sky,
yes,
it's
five
units,
but
none
of
that
project
comes
out
of
the
ground
and
whether
it's
blue
sky
or
another
project,
you
know
we
the
way
hud
works
it
we
fund
a
specific
amount
of
units,
a
finite
amount
of
units,
but
funding
doesn't
come
the
whole
project.
80
units
doesn't
get
built,
so
that's
really
kind
of
how
we
need
to
look
at
it.
F
And
I
would,
I
would
add,
we're
having
substantial
financial
issues
with
all
of
the
affordable
housing
projects.
We
have
171
units
that
are,
I
met
with
the
developer
that
are
on
hold
because
of
the
increases,
and
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
we
can
we,
and
maybe
others,
can
help
fill
the
gap,
because
that
is
a
sizable
addition
to
our
to
our
needs.
K
I
know
there
was
one
I'd
have
to
do
more
research,
but
there
were
some
creative
solutions
up
north
as
well
throughout
europe
of
containers
and
just
very
creative
ways
to
decrease
the
building
costs,
but
increase
the
density.
Therefore,
putting
a
bigger
impact
on
the
numbers
of
people
who
numbers
of
need
so
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
on
that.
F
D
F
D
L
M
Good
morning,
roger
johnson
engineering
manager,
the
city
owns
and
maintains
a
series
of
drainage
channels,
south
of
cleveland
street.
A
recent
inspection
indicated
some
structural
failure
of
the
stabilized
bank.
Rather
than
merely
addressing
this
failure.
Point
we've
decided
to
do
a
holistic
assessment
of
the
ditch
system
to
determine
if
the
current
orientation
and
construction
methods
that
are
present
benefit
both
the
city
and
the
residents.
A
B
J
I
already
have
four
I've
already
down
and
broke
and
I'm
borrowing
from
gas
right
now.
So
I
need
to
get
this
done
as
quickly
as
I
can.
N
Good
morning,
mayor
and
council,
rich
gardner,
director
of
public
utilities
that
are
in
before
you
today
is
the
authorization
of
a
purchase
order
for
sole
source
contract
for
polymer
for
the
water
reclamation
facilities,
polymers
use
the
conditioned
sludge,
making
it
easier
to
de-water
we're
recommending
award
to
polydine
in
the
amount
of
500
000.
This
is
a
one
year
contract
from
july
1
22
through
june
30th
of
23.,
I'm
asking
for
for
you
to
authorize
the
purchase
order
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
O
So,
just
a
few
minor
things
you
know
number
one
I
agree
with
mr
gardner.
This
is
probably
best
described
as
sole
source.
I
think
that,
as
this
item
was
initially
presented,
it
was
described
as
impractical,
but
I
think
sole
source
is
appropriate
here
because,
as
I
understand
it,
the
polymer
that
we
are
using
is
the
only
polymer
we
know
of
today
that
will
as
effectively
do
what
we
needed
to
do
was
correct
the
core
of
it.
So
one
was,
I
just
had
asked
that
we
changed
it
to
sole
source.
O
The
price
of
this
item
is
a
dollar
21
per
pound,
and
that's
what
we've
been
paying
as
of
july
1st,
if
I
understand
correctly
that
price
is
increasing
to
a
dollar
fifty
five
per
pound
from
the
vendor
and
there's
nothing,
we
can
do
we're
kind
of
a
captive
audience
just
like
everyone
else
is
nowadays,
but
I
did
want
to
make
sure
it
was
clear
to
council
that,
even
though
the
item
is
being
approved
prior
to
july
1st,
we
will
in
fact
be
paying
the
dollar
55
per
pound,
because
this
purchase
order
will
go
through
the
next
year.
O
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
council
was
was
aware
of
that
and
we
phrased
that
appropriately
and
then
the
final
thing
was
just
as
mr
gardner
said.
I
do
think
this
is
probably
appropriate
as
a
one-year
contract
rather
than
as
a
renewal
contract
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
for
two
things
number
one,
because,
as
I
understand
it,
utilities
will
be
going
out
to
retest
to
see
what
sort
of
alternative
polymers
may
be
available,
and
if
I
understand
correctly,
that
process
will
take
about
six
months.
O
So
if,
if
that
happens,
we
should
know
well
within
the
year
whether
there
may
be
other
polymer
solutions
that
would
meet
their
needs
and
if
there's
not
there's
not,
but
we
always
know
within
the
year.
The
second
reason
I
would
recommend
a
one
year
agreement
rather
than
a
renewal
is
because
we
don't
really
know
what
our
future
pricing
is
going
to
be
right.
Now.
O
All
we
know
for
sure
is
that
the
vendor
has
promised
us
that
1.55
per
pound
is
what
we
will
pay
from
july
1st
of
this
year
through
june
of
next
year,
but
we
do
not
know
what
that
price
increase
might
be
after
june
of
next
year,
and
they
offered
that
as
a
pretty
clear
disclaimer.
So
I
think
a
one-year
agreement
is
appropriate,
but
I
am
supportive
of
the
item.
I
just
think
we
should
make
it
just
a
couple
couple
tweaks,
that's
all.
D
O
It
would
certainly
be
my
recommendation
that
we
change
it
to
a
one
year.
I
don't
know
that
it
has
to
be
removed
from
consent,
though
you
can
just
make.
B
A
Okay
consent
is
altered
all
right.
Thank
you,
mr
gardner
5.2
surestew.
N
Rich
gardner
assistant,
director
of
public
utilities,
the
item
before
you
today
is
the
purchase
order
for
electric
motor
repair
and
replacement
and
rewinding
services
for
various
motors
used
in
the
water
and
wastewater
systems.
The
contract
is
with
temperature,
armature
works
and
cdc
motor
and
utility
services,
and
it
is
a
piggyback
off
an
existing
contract
with
tarpon
springs.
This
is
a
one-year
contract
through
july
27th
of
2023,
with
an
option
of
three
one-year
renewals
not
to
exceed
an
amount
of
two
hundred
thousand.
I'm
asking
for
your
approval
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
N
N
Rich
gardner,
director
of
public
utilities,
the
item
before
you
today
is
for
the
approval
of
a
contract
for
the
inspection
and
maintenance
of
automatic
transfer
switches
in
the
water
and
waste
water
systems.
The
automatic
transfer
switches
are
used
to
safely
transfer
power
to
and
from
generators.
In
the
event
of
a
loss
of
power,
there
was
one
respondent
to
our
request
for
bids
and
we're
recommending
award
to
ring
power
corporation
in
the
amount
not
to
exceed
two
hundred
thousand.
N
B
Authorize
a
purchase
order
to
train
update
for
the
purchase
of
heating
ventilation,
air
conditioning
replacement
and
repair
parts
and
services,
and
not
succeed,
amount
of
three
hundred
and
five
thousand
dollars.
P
Good
morning,
gary
crotchnick
building
maintenance,
superintendent,
the
building
domains
division
is
responsible
for
maintaining
all
the
hvac
throughout
the
city.
Building
maintenance
is
requesting
authorization
to
piggyback
off
the
omnia
partners,
contract
number
15-jlp,
0,
hvac
products,
installation
services
and
related
products
and
services
through
the
term
of
the
contract,
which
is
expired
march,
31st
2023
for
the
parts
and
services
necessary
to
complete
the
given
scope.
A
Consent
yeah
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
Any
questions
about
7.1
or
7.2
second
readings
and
then
7.3
through
7.11
are
all
to
be
continued.
Some
to
a
date
uncertain.
O
They
are
at
least
seven.
I
believe,
seven
point
three.
Through
seven
point:
eight
there
was
just
a
advertising
issue,
so
not
a
not
a
problem,
but
seven
nine
through
seven,
eleven,
seven,
nine
through
seven
eleven
are
being
duty
and
certain-
I
I
don't
recall
if
these
and
I
know
miss
clayton's
here-
I
don't
know
if
these
were
changing
ownership
yeah.
O
A
F
F
Of
course,
this
has
created
a
lot
of
uncertainty,
as
we
know
with
our
gas
company
employees,
and
so,
if
it's
not
the
will
of
the
council,
the
majority
of
the
council,
to
move
forward
with
a
process
on
the
gas
company.
I
think
that
that
helps
inform,
certainly
what
our
next
steps
would
be
from
a
staff
side.
So
that
was
really
the
reason
for
this
conversation.
So
I'm
happy
that,
and
I
believe
chuck
is
here
as
as
well
so
there
are
any
questions.
A
Well,
I
you
know,
I
had
two
criteria
for
this
to
go
forward.
First,
that
we
could
get
a
fair
price
for
the
gas
system
and
the
second
thing
was-
and
this
has
a
couple
components-
but
that
we
could
take
that
money-
those
proceeds
sequester
them
and
be
able
to
invest
them
and
create
an
annuity
of
sorts
that
would
replace
the
revenue
that
the
gas
system
today
gives
us
which
it
helps,
support
the
general
fund.
It
also
pays
back
a
dividend.
A
We
accrue
a
lot
of
benefits,
it
is
very
unclear
and
I'd
say
we
could
go
on
to
get
an
ag
opinion,
but
that
we
really
cannot
invest
the
proceeds
in
a
way
that
I
think
create
that
annuity
to
replace
the
gas
system's
contributions
to
the
city,
and
my
concern
was:
if
we
got
a
tranche
of
money
that
it
would
be
spent
quickly
and
what
we
would
probably
do
is
add
facilities
facilities
require
personnel,
they
require
maintenance,
they
require
energy,
and
I
think,
right
now
the
city
is
pretty
much
right
sized.
A
I
think
we
have
the
right
number
of
recreation,
centers,
the
right
number
of
libraries
police
stations,
fire
stations.
I
think
we're
you
know
we're
right-sized,
and
so
I
would
be
very
leery
of
having
this
huge
pot
of
money
that
then,
would
be
expended,
and
so
my
my
perspective
is
that
we
move
forward
with
the
gas
company
run.
J
A
As
an
enterprise
fund,
as
it
should
be
and
continue
to
get
the
proceeds
that
we've
been
receiving
I'd
be
utilized
and
I
think
it
can
be
and
should
be
so
at
this
point
I
am
not
willing
to
go
forward
on
the
process.
A
A
They've
been
a
great
asset
to
the
city
for
decades,
as
I
told
them,
this
is
a
very
public
process.
We
do
everything
in
the
sunshine
on
this
diocese.
We
don't
get
to
talk
to
one
another
privately,
and
so
because
of
that
there
are
times
that
the
process
can
be
a
little
messy,
and
certainly
I
don't
want
the
gas
employees
take
this
personally,
because
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
that.
It
has
everything
to
do
with
business
and
exploring
opportunities.
A
This
has
been
explored
back
in
the
90s.
The
decision
was
made
to
go
forward
status
quo.
I
personally
believe
we
ought
to
do
the
same
today,
but
I
think
it
was
worthy
of
our
due
diligence,
councilmember
albrin.
H
And,
as
I
said
before,
you
know
I'm
always
open
to
finding
knowledge
about
things,
but
I
said
before
I
had
no
interest
really
in
selling
the
gas
company.
I
certainly
didn't
want
to
create
angst
with
the
employees
or
city
employees.
I've
always
said:
are
they
a
great
asset?
H
So
I
kind
of
agree
if
we
cannot
protect
the
money
if
we
ended,
if
we
did
decide
at
some
point
to
sell
it
and
that
money
couldn't
be
protected,
it'd
be
it's
the
wrong
call.
So
I'm
fine
with
you
know
letting
you
know
that.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
we
should
drop
it.
I'm
really
not
wanting
to
move
forward
on
this.
I
The
initial
rosy
view
of
of
what
we
could
achieve
by
selling
the
gas
company
seems
to
have
frittered
away
and
the
fact
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
up
for
the
shortfall
of
losing
the
gas
money.
I
think
it's
probably
best
for
us
to
stay
as
we
are
now
status
quo,.
K
K
I've
been
getting
a
lot
of
concern
from
citizens
as
well
as
employees,
and
I
didn't
have
any
answers
for
them.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
we
can
invest
in
such
a
way.
I
don't
know
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be
to
pricing
for
the
citizens.
I
don't
know
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be
for
the
employees
and
it's
a
lot
of
not
having
answers.
A
Well,
we
did
get
some
emails
saying
that
they
were
you
know.
People
were
installing
gas
appliances,
and
things
explained
to
them
that
somebody
was
going
to
continue
to
be
servicing.
It
wasn't
like
the
gas
supply
was
going
to
be
cut
off.
Anybody
who
purchased
the
asset
has
to
get
a
return
on
that
investment,
and
so
they
were
going
to
be
selling
gas,
but
certainly
there
would
have
been
a
lot
more
information
that
would
have
to
have
been
imparted
to
our
citizens.
Vice.
D
So
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
that
we
in
having
this
discussion,
we're
having
it
as
a
regulatory
board
of
the
gas
company
right.
Is
that
correct?
We
oversee
the
rates
right.
We
approve
rates
all
that
stuff,
and
so
we
have
certain
responsibilities
as
the
board
that
oversees
that
public
utility
and
I
think
it's
not
been
discussed
or
cleared,
or
an
onboarding
process
about
what
it
means
to
be
in
charge
of
the
gas
company
and
make
those
sorts
of
decisions
and
who
are
what
our
responsibility
lies
with
you
know.
D
We
are
here
to
run
it
as
a
business
and
make
prudent
business
decisions,
and
so
we
have
to
answer
to
rate
payers.
D
D
D
So
six
thousand
plus
we
have
what
ninety
employees
with
the
gas
company
that
we
need
to
consider,
and
then
we
have
customers
of
the
gas
company
that
ex
extend
beyond
clear
water,
and
so,
if
there,
if
and
when,
when
the
decline
comes,
you
know
clearwater
residents
reap
a
benefit
now,
but
will
they
be
left
holding
the
bag
in
the
future?
And
where
might
that
be?
D
And
where
is
that
point
you
know
we
talked
about
the
value
of
you
know:
buying
low
and
selling
high,
and
if
there
was
a
scuttle
of
you
know
when
we
talked
on
the
diocese
about
the
possibility
of
of
getting
a
broker
and
understanding
what
the
value
of
or
or
would
anyone
want
to
buy
it.
There
was
immediate
interest.
Well,
that
tells
me
that
maybe
this
is
a
high,
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
you
know
to
give
staff
direction
that,
yes,
I
think
it's
prudent
business
to
go
out,
assess
the
value
see
where
it
is.
D
I
don't
think
there's
any
harm
in
knowledge.
As
you
said,
we
don't
have
to
act
on
it,
but
we
do
answer
to
the
employees,
to
the
residents
to
the
customers
beyond
clearwater
and
we're
responsible
for
being
very
prudent
and
financially
responsible,
and
so
I
think
if
we
had
an
assessment
in
the
90s
and
we
haven't
had
one
since
I
think
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
have
one.
D
I
would
also
say:
if
we're
really
talking
about
being
responsible
stewards
of
this
public
entity,
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
exorbitant
amount
of
money
that
is
allocated
for
advertising
and
for
perks
that
we
all
receive
up
here
and
if
we
want
to
talk
about
being
good
to
our
employees
and
we
have
over
two
million
dollars
that
goes
out
to
to
different
entities
in
the
city.
That
rate
payers
don't
have
any
say
in
that
needs
to
be
discussed.
D
I
know
I
will
tell
you
up
here:
I
don't
take
any
benefits
or
perks
from
the
gas
company,
because
it's
a
public
entity.
I
want
that
money
to
stay
with.
I
want
to
keep
rates
low
for
the
ratepayers,
and
I
want
to
keep
salaries
as
high
as
possible
for
gas
employees,
and
so
I'm
up
here
to
to
you
know,
operate
in
full
transparency
and
we
need
to
have
a
bigger
discussion.
If
what
it
is
is
we
want
to
do
what's
best
for
rate
payers
and
employees?
A
F
Staff
has
already
begun
meeting
mayor,
as
you
had
mentioned
earlier.
We
do
need
to
run
things
as
a
business,
and
this
is
certainly
one
of
those
assets.
That
is
a
major
investment
for
the
community,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
also
of
great
benefit
to
the
community,
and
so
today
we
are
seeking
your
guidance
as
to
the
parameters
and
it
they
they
can
be
loose
parameters
you
know,
but
we
just
want
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
where
you
would
like
for
us
to
go
in
the
negotiations
again.
This
is
very
different
for
me.
F
A
Well,
I
think,
with
whomever
we
have
chosen,
there's
going
to
be
ramp
up,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
new
facility.
A
We
certainly
saw
that
back
in
2008
when
we
originally
bought
the
capital
theater,
which
was
in
tremendous
disrepair
back
then
it's
it's
not
the
way
it
looks
today,
then
the
remodel
occurred
at
capital
theater
and
the
two
buildings
that
were
adjacent,
which
used
to
be
the
pat
loki.
What
was
pat
loki
both
times?
A
I
think
we
have
somewhat
of
a
template
in
the
fact
that
we
do
have
an
agreement
on
the
capitol
theater,
which
is
a
little
bit
different
from
the
operating
agreement
out
at
the
hall,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
discuss
as
a
council
is
there
are
going
to
be
shows
that
are
going
to
be
profitable
and
I
think
we
can
all
look
back
at
some
of
the
shows
that
were
extremely
extremely
popular
and
profitable
and
then
there's
going
to
be
some
of
the
community
events
that
are
not-
and
I
think
the
hope
is
that
those
profitable
events
are
going
to
help
subsidize
having
the
community
events.
A
A
The
more
events
that
occur
that
are
popular
and
potentially
profitable,
you're
going
to
be
spreading,
those
fixed
costs
over
more
events,
and
so
those
fixed
costs
per
unit
come
down.
A
J
A
I
mean
certainly
water's
edge
and
some
of
the
other
residents
around
the
core
of
downtown
were
concerned
about
the
amount
of
traffic,
noise
and
other
things,
and
so
we
can
program
it
so
there's
150
events
a
year.
The
question
is
that
the
right
number
I
think,
ruth
eckerd
hall
and
their
pro
formas,
obviously
had
a
five
year,
ramping
up
period
that
they
showed
us.
We
are
also
going
to
be
a
function
of
what
is
touring
for
this
type
of
venue.
A
So
a
lot
of
the
things
that
go
to
the
amp
up
there
in
st
john's
county
are
automatically
going
to
put
us
on
that
routing.
It
just
makes
sense
it's
going
to
reduce
their
costs
as
well.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
my
perspective
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
dynamic
agreement
that
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
balancing
profitability
and
what
has
been
promised
community
over
the
years
through
referendums
and
public
meetings
and
everything
else.
E
H
Of
functions,
I
know
that
we
definitely
want
to
have
the
florida
orchestra
come
in
and
use
that
facility,
and
then
we
want
to
use
it
for
other.
You
know
things
for
for
the
downtown
and
clearwater
as
well
as
bringing
you
know,
just
big
music
venues
acts
down
to
it.
So
I
think
that
I
think
that
ruth
eckert
pretty
much
has
been
involved
with
a
lot
of
the
hearing,
a
lot
of
the
talks
over
the
years,
and
they
got
a
pretty
good
concept
of
what
we're
looking
at.
So.
D
Okay,
so
you
said
we
made
promises
to
the
community
about
how
this
was
going
to
be
programmed
as
well.
I
would
I
would
ask
what
promises
have
we
made
to
the
community
about
how
it's
going
to
be
operated.
O
C
O
A
Is
large-scale
concerts.
A
Some
of
that
is
going
to
again
be
a
function
of
what
is
out
there
on
the
road
for
this
type
of
venue,
something
that
is
programmed
you
know
again
like
in
ruth
eckerd
hall
may
not
be
appropriate,
for
an
outside
venue
may
not
need
the
seating
capacity,
but
I
mean
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
was.
Talks
talked
about
at
length
in
the
public
meetings
going
back
years
and
years,
so
I
just
think
it's
going
to
be
a
balancing
act.
I
don't
think
anyone
has
a
number
that
is
the
perfect
number.
A
A
I
hope
that
a
concert
or
two
will
be
free
so
that
anybody
can
avail
themselves
of
those
we
used
to
have
that
back
in
2009
we
had
a
contract
with
the
orchestra
and
they
came
out
and
did
some
free
concerts
in
the
park,
which
were
extremely
well
received
and
well
attended,
and
I
think
those
are
the
type
of
things
we
want
to
see.
But
you're
going
to
see,
I
think
clearwater
high
wants
to
move
from
daycare
ballpark.
They
want
to
do
their
graduation
down
here.
The
future
of
the
trop
is
in
question.
A
A
D
Okay,
so
I'm
really
nervous,
I'm
I'm
just
nervous
about
some
of
this
talk
about.
It
needs
to
be
dynamic
and
the
promises
that
we
made.
I
think
we
need
to
be
real
clear.
I
think
we
need
to
back
up
and
we
need
to
as
a
council
give
direction
to
staff
and
to
our
residents
about
what
we
expect
with
the
operation
of
our
venue,
and
here
are
some
things
I
think
we
should
consider.
D
What
are
our
priorities
going
to
be?
What
will
we
tell
staff
as
they
go
in
to
negotiate
and
I've
got
about
40
different
questions
that,
I
think
should
be.
You
know
addressed,
but
is
our
number
one
goal
here
to
provide
revenue
or
cost
offsets
for
the
city?
Do
we
want
to
minimally
break
even
or
do
we
want
to
lose
money
and
have
our
residents
subsidize
what
goes
on
at
that
venue?
I
think
we
need
to
be
clear
about
that.
D
For
me,
I
want
to
at
least
break
even
I
do
not
want
to
put
the
operation
of
that
amphitheater
on
the
backs
of
our
residents.
We
have
to
look
at
what
is
the
accessibility
and
affordability
for
residents?
What
does
it
look
like
that
they
may
get
to
use
that
I
asked
for
ovg's
contract
with
savannah
that
they
had
said
here
was
most
similar
to
how
they
would
present
operating
our
venue
in
their
contract
with
savannah.
D
So
we
also
have
to
know
or
have
an
agreement
about
what
is
our
intention
with
the
promotion
of
local
artists
and
community
events,
so
this
would
be
the
graduations
the
you
know,
the
dog
show
the
talent
show
the
local.
You
know
whatever
we're
gonna
have
battle
of
the
bands
at
that
venue,
the
well-being
of
our
charitable
operator
and
its
continued
mission.
Are
we
here
to
ensure
you
know?
Certainly
we
want
the
success
of
ruth
eckhart
hall,
but
how
does
that
you
know?
How
does
their
health
factor
into?
D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
our
residents
aren't
subsidizing
this
venue
and
then
the
serenity
of
nearby
residential
developments.
I
mean
what
we
promised
as
far
as
a
number
of
operational
days
with
with
water's
edge
and
the
different
residents
in
the
area.
D
D
As
far
as
I
want
to
communicate
to
residents
that
you
will
not
be
subsidizing
the
operation
of
this
venue
that
it
will
at
least
break
even
so
those
are
the
priorities.
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
going
forward,
providing
revenue
or
cost
offsets
for
the
city,
accessibility
and
affordability
for
residents,
promotion
of
local
artists
and
community
events,
the
well-being
of
the
sustainability,
ongoing
sustainability
of
ruth
eckerd
hall
in
its
mission
and
then
the
quality
of
life,
and
these
are
no
particular
order
of
you
know
the
surrounding
residents
around.
D
Imagine
clearwater,
because
if
we
have
119
events,
which
was
a
conservative
number
and
and
that
was
operating
with
a
loss,
what
does
the
quality
of
life
look
like
for
people
who
live
down
there?
If
we're
going
to
try
to
break
even
so
that,
I
think,
is
kind
of
a
starting
point,
and
then
you
know
the
word
dynamic
makes
me
nervous
because,
ultimately
we're
looking
at
a
contract,
we
need
a
management
contract
for,
however
long
it's
going
to
be
three
years
five
years
ten
years,
and
that
means
it's
not
dynamic.
It's
a
contract
with
expectations.
D
You
know
the
ovg
has
profit
share,
you
know
so.
Ovg
has
guaranteed
payments
in
years,
three
through
nine
of
a
ten-year
contract,
fifty
thousand
dollars
was
paid
to
savannah
in
years
three
and
four
and
a
hundred
thousand
was
paid
to
savannah
in
years
five
through
nine,
they
have
profit
sharing
for
every
year,
based
on
minimum
net
operating
revenue
of
one
million
dollars
from
twenty
percent
revenue
share
up
to
fifty
percent
of
the
revenue
share
if
they
make
up
to
two
million
dollars.
D
K
A
A
A
But,
but
is
somebody
paying
an
access
fee
for
that?
No,
I
don't
think
so.
Are
they
paying
for
the
green
space?
Okay,
so
none
of
that
area
generates
anything
right.
This
is
the
only
component
in
the
park
that
could
generate
a
revenue
to
help
offset
the
stuff.
That
is
an
amenity
that
doesn't,
mr
hallios.
A
A
And
those
areas
aren't
generating
any
revenue.
Is
that
correct,
okay,
so
and
how
many
days
a
year,
I
know
what
it
used
to
be,
but
we
used
to
have
access
to
ruth
eckerd
hall
in
the
capitol
theater
for
city
events.
G
A
I
I
think
we
we
missed
a
truly
transformative
moment
for
the
downtown,
nothing
against
ruth
eckert
hall,
but
I
believe
ovg
would
have
given
us
a
real
boost
to
make
the
downtown
work.
I
would
hope
that
we
don't
have
a
long-term
contract
as
we're
negotiating
right
now
and
that
there's
a
possibility
to
revisit
this.
I
In
case
we're
not
ramping
up
the
way
we
should.
A
Comments
that
were
made-
and
I
think
ovg
mr
marco
list-
did
they
not
have
seven
things
that
they
were
objected
to
in
the
rfq.
O
When,
whenever
we
issue
either
an
rfq
or
an
rfp,
you
know
the
city
will
issue
a
series
of
criteria
and
vendors
are
always
given
an
opportunity
to
take
exception
to
certain
things
that
are
that
we
say
are
things
that
we're
looking
for
did
not
list
any
exceptions
at
this
point,
but
obg
did
have,
I
believe,
six
or
seven
exceptions
that
they
took.
A
I'm
almost
certain
it
was
seven
in
fact,
I'd
bet
on
it,
so
I'm
just
gonna
pull
them
up
real,
quick.
A
Which,
as
I
recall,
lightning
evacuations.
D
D
I
think
it
was
like
from
5
to
7
30
and
almost
very
frequently.
During
the
summer
we
were
back
into
the
building
for
a
couple
hours,
because
we
had
an
alarm
of
lightning
was
detected
seven
miles
away,
and
then
we
had
to
wait
for
it
to
clear.
How
do
you
anticipate
handling
that?
So
that's
one
question,
then
I
got
a
follow-up
one.
Okay,.
Q
Again,
I
would
work
with
the
city
on
the
like
park
and
rec,
especially
who
deal
with
it
at
tournaments
and
define
what
is
what
are
the
laws
as
far
as
evacuation
goes
with
the
minutes?
If
there's
I
know
in
some
cities
it
lets
a
an
alarm
goes
off,
and
that
means
it's
a
40
40
minute.
You
know
time
that
nobody
can
can
be
back,
but
certainly
with
the
use
of
the
library
area.
The
pavilions
that
are
covered,
I
mean
not.
Every
show
is
going
to
be
9
000.
Q
I
know
that's
kind
of
a
question.
Same
thing
would
be
dealt
with
at
festivals
when
they've
been
there
in
the
past
or
jazz
holiday,
but
for
the
4000
setup
you
know
that's
going
to
be
dealt
with
differently.
Undercover
then
it
will
be
with
the
four
to
five
more
on
the
lawn.
If
that
need
be
so
I
would
say
once
it's
once
it's
erected,
we
can
see
what
areas
are
going
to
be.
Q
You
know
suitable
for
coverage,
and
then
you
know
we
spoke
to
other
emptiers,
where
they
let
them
actually
go
back
to
their
cars
upon
pre-entry
if
they
anticipate
it.
The
open
doors
later
you
communicate
with
the
artist
in
some
cases
you
don't
do
the
opening
act
and
say
because
you
don't
you
want
the
headliner
to
play,
we
say:
look
we
got
lightning
coming
we're
going
to
go
right
with
you
guys
at
eight
o'clock.
Instead
of
you
know,
it's
just
all
a
conversation.
You
know
it's
it's
the
world
of
outdoor
venues
in
florida.
D
I
know
it's
gotta
be
a
nightmare,
but
I
think
you
know
it's
a
part
of
the
conversation,
but
it's
also
gonna
be
part
of
the
contract
right.
And
so,
if
I'm
thinking,
if
you've
got
billy
joel
coming
and
there's
a
a
lightning,
let's
say,
there's
a
lightning
delay
of
an
hour
and
a
half
or
you
know-
and
maybe
his
contract
says,
look.
M
D
Waiting
longer
than
an
hour
or
whatever,
and
so
then
we
have
a
noise
ordinance
that
says
we're
only
having
noise
up
to
midnight
on
you
know
weekdays
and
then
now
he's
he's
gonna
come
back
out
and
start
his
concert
restart
his
concert
and
he
needs
to
have
that
noise
ordinance
suspended,
maybe
to
go
to
one
o'clock
to
get
the
full
concert.
You
know
value,
so
those
things
would
have
to
be
part
of
it
right
and
those
would
have
to
be
then
put
into
our
noise
ordinances
at
the
city
level.
D
A
Q
A
forced
major
counter
clause
there's
also
a
rescheduled
jazz
holiday.
We've
actually
extended
hours
with
permission,
the
night
of
show
and
some
storms
came
in
not
until
one,
but
we
got
past
it
with
approval.
So
I
think
mayor's
right
that
this
should
be
a
discussion
and
we've
also
had
event.
Q
So
I
mean
the
proper
way
is
to
speak
to
the
artists
about
returning,
and
you
know
it's
it's
the
worst
case
for
the
crowd,
but
they
want
to
see
the
artist
so
yeah
it's
a
day
later,
a
month
later,
yeah
you
know,
relationships
help
in
that
regard
and
things
don't
become
so
black
and
white.
When
you're
dealing
with
artists,
we've
dealt
with
and
say,
look
don't
leave
these
people
in
the
lurch.
Let's
come
back
and
do
what.
D
You
can,
I
hope,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
thought
of
was
well
okay.
So
if
the
concert
had
billy
joel's
concert
had
to
get
rescheduled,
does
that
mean
clearwater
high
school's
graduation?
That
was
scheduled
on
this
night
and
billy's
like
this
is
the
only
time
I
can
come
sorry
clearwater,
high
school.
Q
D
You
know:
do
you
have
any
expectations
on
security?
Metal
detectors.
Is
that
part
of
the
management
contract?
All
that
kind
of
thing
I.
Q
Q
Also,
we
have
we
have
instituted
or
experimented
with
a
product
called
zonar
several
years
ago,
which
is
the
safest
and
fastest
way
to
nail
clipper
in
your
pocket,
and
it
makes
it
a
more
pleasurable
experience.
It
gets
folks
in
quicker,
but
it
also
checks
for
things
that
they're
not
even
aware
we're
checking
for
which
is
part
of
the
safety.
It's
called
zona
they're,
actually
built
out
of
pinellas
park
and
they're,
constantly
updating
and
and
by
testing
at
the
hall.
They've
found
just
ways
to
to
tweak
it
and
make
it
better.
Q
Super
bowl
came
in
at
the
time
last
year
and
there
was
an
article
in
the
times
about
this
product,
how
wonderful
it
is,
and
they
came
to
the
ownership
and
said
we
need
40
of
these
for
super
bowl
for
all
the
right
reasons
you
know,
so
those
are
things
that
we
do
and
we
spent.
We
spend
money
on
that.
Q
That's
part
of
the
things
that
the
public
doesn't
understand:
they're
they're,
you
know
they're
five
figures
per
unit,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
about
the
safety
and
it's
about
more
than
just
the
pat
downs
and
the,
and
it
just
makes
the
experience
wonderful
for
the
patron
and
and
themselves
I'm
getting
into
the
venues
faster
and
knowing
that
we've
checked
for
everything
imaginable,
and
so
that's
hope
that
answers
you
a
little
bit.
D
Q
There's
some
there's
some
programs
that
you
know
we're
just
quite
honestly,
shocked
that
they're
not
running
to
all
of
us,
including
parking
rack,
and
about
working
in
the
concert
business
you
know,
and
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
have
like
a
job
fair
day
or
a
volunteer
day.
Where
we're
you
know,
volunteers
of
all,
ages,
for
all
positions
can
be
filled.
That's
it
that's
a
lot
with
what
the
amphitheaters
do,
especially
in
the
summer
time.
Q
If
you
look
back
probably
last
month
through
all
the
amphitheaters,
there
was
a
job
fair
day
and
a
volunteer
day
where
they
have
they
do.
That
kind
of
you
know
coordinating
that.
So
that's
that
should
be
a
new
aspect,
but
absolutely
if
we
can
get
any
of
the
community
from
in
from
any
of
the
counties
coming
down
to
to
work
and
help
that
just
you
know,
mitigates
costs
and
it
keeps
them
inspired.
It
spreads
the
word
about
where
they
work
and
those
are
the
best
cheerleaders
and
marketers.
We
could
have.
D
Do
you
anticipate
playing
a
part
in
seating
selection
and
the
basic
sound
system?
You
know
just
for
small
things,
that'll
be
on
our
property.
Q
Well,
I
think
les
I
think,
pat
from
yes,
I
mentioned
last
month
about
not
buying
anything
to
elaborate
sound
system.
I
think
we
do
need
a
basic
system
for
the
graduation
anytime.
You
don't
have
to
rent
that
I
think
in
the
discussions
with
chris
cook
and
our
tech
meetings,
we
did
allow
for
a
space
where
we
can
store
some
basic
microphones
and
speakers
and
monitors
that
can
be
used
for
assemblies
of
of
the
basic
kind.
Most
of
that
works
most
of
the
local
artists
we
use
at
ruth
eckerd
on
our
two
volunteers.
Q
We
do
our
two
free
stages
and
we
hire
local
talent
every
night
and
they
usually
bring
their
own
little
sound
system
that
again
would
accommodate
the
capacity
that's
intended
for
that
size.
If
we
get
a
local
artist
to
play
in
front
of
4
000
people,
obviously
we'll
have
a
proper,
sound
system,
it's
going
to
be,
as
you
call
a
local
more
of
a
local
event
that
is
for
a
few
hundred
people.
Their
sound
system
that
they
bring
would
be
more
than
conducive
for
that.
D
Q
G
Q
Most
of
what
would
be
in
that
summer,
scheduling
obviously
would
bring
it
in
and,
as
somebody
mentioned
earlier,
it's
in
and
out
there's
no,
I
don't.
I.
We
also
strongly
disagree
with
duncan
webb's
assessment
of
just
about
everything,
including
staffing
he's,
not
an
amphitheater
guy,
so
two
million
dollars
in
losses,
that's
by
having
all
those
full-time
employees
and
unnecessary
equipment
concerts,
come
in
and
come
out
the
same
day.
So
you
can
dispute
any
of
that
assessment
of
the
cost
that
that
requires
utilizing
the
venue
and
killing
days
and
killing.
Q
Events
that
you're
talking
about
concerts
come
in
and
out
festivals
could
be
a
little
different.
I'm
not!
I
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
jazz
holiday.
I
know
they
have
some
infrastructure
related
to
food
and
other
things
and
and
booth
spaces
that
you
know
they
may
be
able
to
get
it
in
in
four
days
and
out
I
mean,
I
think,
tradition
allowed
the
ability
to
come
in
those
days,
because
typically,
nothing
was
there
in
the
park.
So
to
say
they
took
to
take
their
time
and
load
in
and
load
out.
D
D
Q
Q
So
we
think
that
while
expert
is
a
word
that
is
thrown
out
the
window,
we
went
out
for
free
and
got
seven
other
tangible
amphitheaters,
that
we
showed
them
as
related
to
cost
and
to
actual
experience.
So.
D
So
because
this
was
sent
out
as
an
rfq
and
not
an
rfp,
so
we
don't
have
a
specific
proposal,
so
I
would
ask
you
know:
obg
indicated
and
again
I'm
just
looking
at
their
savannah
contract,
because
that's
what
they
again
said
they
would
kind
of
operate
off
of
they
would
be
able
to
invest
five
million
dollars
as
a
grant
to
be
used
for
improvements
to
the
arena
or
to
customize
it
prior
to
or
close
to
the
opening.
Can
you
do
anything
similar,
or
do
you
anticipate
that
I.
Q
Would
like
to
see
where
the
five
million
dollars
was
coming
from
if
they
were,
as
you
said,
stroking
a
check
that
would
be
very
different
from
what
they
typically
have
been
doing
in
savannah
and
in
virginia
that
they
talk
about
a
seating
program.
Those
are
seating
contracts
where
they
sell
the
chairs.
Q
I
want
to
get
back
to
your
accessibility
issue.
They're
selling
those
chairs
for
two
to
seventy
five
hundred
dollars
per
chair,
that
is
in
pole,
star
magazine
in
the
may
issue
to
document
because
they're
doing
it
in
austin
as
well.
So
are
they
fronting
you
the
money
and
getting
reimbursed
okay?
So
when
they
said
it
was
so
popular
they
added
more
seats.
Q
These
are
a
way
that
constrict
the
public
from
getting
the
seats.
So
if
you're
a
couple,
that's
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
You
spend
for
the
right
to
be
able
to
purchase
tickets
for
that
for
the
rest
of
the
year.
Is
that
the
kind
of
amphitheater
you
want?
I
just
want
to
be
because
we
can
answer
this
one
way
or
the
other
if
they're
stroking
five
million
dollars
and
getting
reimbursed
out
of
that
those
contracts.
D
A
O
C
D
O
G
Q
D
Gonna
get
two
million
dollars
or
something
rain
or
shine,
or
no
matter
how
many
seats
you
sell
right,
and
so
it
seems
like
in
these
contracts
that
we're
going
to
somebody's
making
money
based
on
food
and
beverage
based
on
parking
based
on
premier
seating.
You
know
this
exclusive
kind
of
experience,
and
so
is
that
pretty
much
accurate
like.
Q
Q
So
the
ones
that
know
they
can
sell
out-
and
I
100
agree
with
this-
I
mean
they
deserve
that
money
because
they're
the
best
of
the
best.
So
when
you're
a
concert
promoter
there's
risk.
Typically,
you
get
the
the
minimum
amount,
the
artists.
Typically,
that
are
the
artists
that
deserve
what
they
get,
are
walking
away
with
the
lion
share
of
the
money.
But
it's
about
generating
the
excitement
and
it's
about
generating
the
interest
of
that
experience
that
you've
created
so
some
nights,
you're,
happily
surprised
by
a
middle
artist.
Q
But
the
excitement
it
causes
with
the
press
and
the
excitement
it
causes
with
in
the
community
is,
is
worth
a
million
dollars
and
that's
part
of
when
you
do
a
volume
of
shows
whether
it's
250
at
the
root
act
in
the
capital
or
70
to
80
at
coachmen.
Some
nights
are
gonna
you'd
make
less
on
ones.
You
think
you're
going
to
make
more.
That's
where
public
perception
is
around
a
lot
of
the
time
that
we
paid
a
hundred
dollars
and
they
start
counting
seats
and
go
oh
they're.
Q
That's
where,
like
mayor
said,
you
build
them
up
through
the
through
the
smaller
venues
and
along
the
way
they
play
for
more
reasonable
fees
and
in
our
minds,
they've
earned
it
if
they
went
through
three
venues
and
sold
out
and
they're
working
their
way
to
four
000.
Then,
let's,
let's
roll
the
dice
together,
you
know.
D
So
you
know,
ovg
had
a
profit
sharing,
they
had
a
guaranteed
payment
granted.
It
was
little
in
the
first
three
years.
I
think
it
was
did
I
say:
50
000
and
then
in
years
three
through
nine
it
was
a
hundred,
but
they
always
have
profit
sharing
as
well.
Do
you
anticipate
that
kind
of
agreement
with
us?
I
mean
you've
heard
me
say
I
don't
want
taxpayers
to
be
on
the
hook
for
this,
and
so
words
like
economic
driver
and
a
big
catalyst.
Q
Q
The
public's
paying
for
it
by
buying
the
seat,
so
I
really
can't
answer
that
in
a
apples
to
apples
and
and
I'd
probably
defer
to
susan
crockett
on
on
the
the
profit
sharing
part,
especially
as
we
haven't
even
started
negotiation
yet,
and
we've
also
clearly
stated
that
we
do
not
want
a
fee.
Q
So
you
know
I
really
can't
answer
that
just
yet.
I
think
we
you
know,
like
I
said
in
in
in
the
tournament
I'm
going
to
negotiate
this
on
this
diet
right.
No
I'll
shut
the
conversation
down
so
well.
That's
that'll
come
in
conversation.
D
Yeah,
but
these
I'm
just
being
real
transparent
about
these-
are
some
of
the
things
I'm
going
to
be
looking
at
in
a
contract
that
I
think
my
residents
are
are
concerned
about.
I
would
you
know,
communicate
that
I
have
no
problem
with
people
paying
big
dollars
for
premier
seating.
I
mean
if
they
want
to
sit
close.
They
should.
Q
Q
F
E
Q
So
the
accessibility
part
you're,
emphasizing
is
going
to
be
drastically
dwindled
by
letting
the
open
market
get
those
seat
contracts.
We're
not
fans
of
these.
It's
the
worst
way
to
run
into
this
kind
of
a
deal.
We
want
the
public
to
have
those
seats
and
the
community
to
have
those
seats
and
be
the
the
same
fair
way.
You'd
get
them
by
by
you
know,
10
o'clock
on
saturday
morning
trying
to
get
out
go
on
and
get
them
are
we
talking.
Q
And
okay,
and
they
won't
stop
they'll,
make
more
okay.
It
just
means
those
will
be
two
thousand
dollars
instead
of
seventy
five
hundred,
if
you're
15
rows
back
and
that
again
I
don't
know
the
deal
they
were
talking
about,
but
you
can
be
a
lot
more
generous
when
you
know
you've
got
several
million
dollars
coming
in.
Q
So
I
said
if
you
should
not
be
announced
so
we'd
rather
keep
accessibility
prices;
fair,
not
have
anybody
getting
access
to
these
seats
to
be
able
to
resell
them
and
then
you're
dealing
with
seating
contracts
that
we
don't
want
to
manage.
Quite
honestly
right,
that's
a
whole
other
contract
that
you're
saying
they're
what
they're
allowed
to
do
with
their
tickets.
D
D
Okay
and
then
I
think
we
should
give
direction
about
any
expectations
that
the
city
is
receiving
any
certain
number
of
free
tickets
to
any
events,
and
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
appropriate
for
us
to
be
receiving
free
tickets
to
events.
Q
We're
happy
to
work
with
whatever
quantity
is
fair
and
that
works
within
your
parameters.
Everything
is
conveyed
to
the
artists
that
they
know.
What
inventory
then
is
coming
off
the
system
as
complementary,
because
we
do
need
that
for
radio
you
know
for
promotions
and
whatever
else
and
artist
seats
and
whatnot.
So
that's
all
figured
into
the
deals.
Mr.
F
Jennings,
I
will
say
that
that
is
a
traditional
point
of
discussion
in
this
type
of
contract
negotiation.
It
is
so.
E
E
F
The
board,
if
that's,
if
that's
the,
but
that
would
be
up
to
the
council.
O
I
would
definitely
distinguish
a
situation
where
we're
taking
free
tickets
from
a
vendor
versus
a
situation
where
we
are
negotiating
as
part
of
a
contract.
If
part
of
our
contract
negotiation
says
that
ruth
eckard
will
provide
us
or
reserve
so
many
seats,
then
that's
all
factored
in.
As
mr
rossi
said,
the
artist
will
factor
that
in
and
ruth
eckerd
will
factor
that
in
as
part
of
their
available
inventory,
and
so
they
know
where
their
revenue
numbers
lie.
O
I
don't
have
any
problem
from
a
legal
perspective
if
we
negotiate
that
with
our
vendor
and
it's
provided
as
part
of
the
vendor
agreement.
As
mr
jennings
said,
we
do
own
the
venue,
it's
our
property,
so
there's
nothing
wrong
legally,
with
the
city
negotiating
a
contract
whereby
council
or
for
that
matter,
city
employees
can
make
use
of
our
own
property
candidly.
O
The
situation
that
is
much
more
problematic
is
a
situation
where
those
types
of
freebies
are
not
part
of
the
contract,
and
that
becomes
a
problem
for
two
reasons:
number
one
from
a
state
ethics
perspective
that
could
violate
state
gift
law,
so
I'd
actually
feel
much
better
if
it
was
in
the
contract
and
then
second,
it's
actually
a
problem
for
the
vendor
too,
because
ruth
ecker
wants
to
be
able
to
have
predictable
numbers
so
that
they
can
manage
the
flow
of
all
of
this.
O
So
if
they
know
up
front
that
these
are
the
expectations
and
they're
reserving
so
many
seats,
it's
a
lot
easier
for
them
to
plan,
also,
as
opposed
to
just
having
one-off
situations
where
they
have
to
give
a
ticket
to
this
person
or
that
person.
So
that's
a
long
way
of
saying
that
I
would
be
comfortable
with
doing
it
as
part
of
our
contract
negotiation.
D
Our
residents
mentioned
an
expectation
that,
because
you
ruth
eckerd
hall,
is
a
non-profit
you'll,
have
lower
price
tickets
to
headliner
events.
And
can
you
explain
to
me
how
that
works.
Q
Sure
the
the
out
of
the
box,
immediate
discounts,
will
come
in
the
form
of
compared
to
a
for-profit
company,
will
be
in
the
seven
percent
tax
one
and
number
two
using
our
ruth,
accurate
ticketing
compared
to
ticketmaster
or
another
broker.
Our
service
views
are
way
lower.
So
what
really
should
matter
to
the
consumer
is
the
out
the
door
price.
The
artist
a
lot
of
time
sets
the
price
of
the
ticket
and
then
from
there
you
based
on
capacity
they'll.
Q
You
know
they'll
say
across
the
board
this
summer,
where
99
79
59
and
they
figure
in
in
your
capacity
where,
how
many
of
each
you
have
from
there
your
service
charge
or
tax
are
added.
On
top,
we
won't
have
sales
tax.
So
if
it's
a
20
ticket
that
14
that
would
have
been
I'm
sorry,
the
dollar
40
would
be
omit.
It
obviously,
and
then
we
brought
up
susan,
had
a
chart
comparing
ruth
eckert
ticketing
to
ticketmaster.
Our
fees
are
15
to
18
percent.
Q
Theirs
were,
I
believe,
40
to
62
percent.
So
that's
a
that's
in
your
packet
on
a
chart,
so
a
20
ticket
out
the
door
for
us
is,
you
know,
15
to
18
on
top,
whereas
they
would
have
7
percent
and
another
40
plus.
So
if
they
really
it's,
not
the
artist
ticketing
cost,
it's
going
to
be
the
out
the
door
price
that
matters
on
your
out
of
your
pocket
or
on
your
credit
card.
So
those
are
the
areas
that
are
when
we
say
we
can
definitely
do
it.
Q
The
other
part
is
if
it's
an
artist
that
is
not
dictating
tickets.
We
because
of
you,
know
what
we
do
like
you
know.
We
want
to
keep
the
tickets
reasonable,
especially
as
you
get
further
back
or
if
they're
long
tickets
compared
to
under
the
under
the
cover
and
then
through
time,
we'll
realize
the
this
amenity,
how
important
it
is
to
those
coming.
Q
The
means
you
know
as
far
as
like
we're
under
the
cover
we're
protected
from
the
rain
and
the
sun,
or
it's
like
it's
beautiful
night,
I
don't
want
to
be
under
their
cover.
I
want
to
be
on
the
grass
these
are
these
come
with
trial
and
error,
like
we
said,
so,
you
can
determine
that
down
the
line.
A
lawn
ticket
can
be
no
more
than
x
if
we're
controlling
the
price.
D
That
sounds
great.
I
can
understand
that.
Okay,
so
our
residents
have
voice
support
for
sustainable
practices
at
this
venue.
Do
you
know
you
know,
can
you
do
you
feel
comfortable
in
putting
that
in
a
contract?
What
does
that
look
like
and
are
you
you
know?
Are
we
going
to
give
direction
that
we
want
all
compostable
materials,
no
styrofoam,
no
single
use
plastics.
Is
that
reasonable
expectation?
D
Q
That's
all
part
of
the
contract
discussion.
We
have
examples
like
in
saint
augustine
and
emily
that
that
use
that
is
there
a
higher
cost
for
those
straws
and
plates,
and
does
that
mean
that
the
hot
dog
or
the
soda
now
becomes
more
because
of
that?
These
are
things
that
we
want
to
be
open
and
transparent
to
the
public.
Q
On
that
susan
bragged
about
our
low
concession
prices,
we'd
like
to
keep
that,
however,
going
to
these
products,
if
it
means
everything
costs
more
that'll
have
to
be
reflective
in
the
price
to
get
into
to
the
prophet,
like
you
talked
about,
but
we're
open
to
any
all
technology
in
that
field,
certainly,
like
I
said,
there's
there's
no
better
time
than
now.
We've
got.
We've
got
all
of
our
alliances
with
amphitheaters
and
arenas
around
the
country
in
theaters,
and
we,
our
conferences
and
our
conference,
calls
and
our
florida
presenters
network
and
flower
facility
managers
network.
Q
The
minute
and
innovation
comes
out.
Everybody
wants
it.
You
know
from
saint
augustine:
did
the
water
bottles
to
the
stations
and
then
every
kid
in
school
got
us
in
obviously
an
amphitheater
water
bottle
to
bring
home
in
their
backpack,
and
it
just
you
know,
and
it
just
it
flows
through
the
community
that
way,
so
whatever
amenities
are
or
innovations,
I
should
say,
are
out
there.
We
want
to
you
know
with
the
newest
venue.
We
want
to
have
that.
You.
Q
D
Just
to
make
sure
you
know
that
I'm
you
know
answer
to
residents
who
are
very
vocal
about
that
is,
if
I
could
have
a
sense-
and
I
think
for
transparency,
what
is
the
cost
of
the
contract
or
profits
or
whatever
to
have
it
fully
sustainable
or
sustainable
at
maybe
this
level
this
level
in
this
level
versus
not
having
that
at
all,
because
I
need
to
answer
to
constituents
that
have
voiced
very
loud
concerns
about
that.
You
know.
Q
D
You
know
sherry
heilman
has
spoken
about
having
it
absolutely
give
her
a
call
after
what
would
make
her
happy,
what
she
feels
is
is
appropriate
there
and
and
what
the
cost
is
of
it,
so
that
we
can
be
real,
close.
Q
K
D
I
have
a
lot.
I
have
a
few
more
so
well.
A
A
You
can
talk
to
mr
jennings.
You
can
distribute
some
of
the
issues,
but
I
feel
like
we
have
gone
beyond
and
I
think
been
very
reasonable
with
the
amount
of
time
for
your
questions,
but
I
think
you
are
trying
to
negotiate
a
contract.
That
is
the
responsibility
of
our
staff
to
negotiate
and
then
bring
back
to
us.
D
Well,
I
think
it's
our
job
to
give
staff
direction
about
what's
important
to
us,
and
you
know
I'm
representing
the
things
that
I'm
talking
about,
and
you
know
what
about
noise
ordinances
if
concerts
get
delayed
the
people
who
live
at
water's
edge
care?
About
that
I
mean
I
I
as
a
council
member,
need
to
go
out
and
speak
to
residents
about
what
this
park
is
going
to
be
like
and
answer.
I.
D
D
D
F
F
So
we
just
want
to
be
clear
on
on
how
that
will
impact.
But
I
think
what
I
would
prefer
is
to
be
able
to
take
all
of
your
guidance
and
and
be
able
to
to
talk
with
ruth
eckerhall
and
and
negotiate
through
the
proper
channels.
D
Okay,
but
I
do
have
another
question
and
this
this
really
because
you
know
what
I
am:
I've
been
real
transparent,
I'm
an
incredibly
frugal
person
and
I
am
very
environmentally
conscious.
Those
two
things
I
try
to
live
my
life
that
way
in
ethical
ways
and
whatever,
but
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
we're
going
to
maximize
revenue
and
in
reading
the
contracts
premier
seating
is
one
way
it
looks
like
another
way
is
some
pro
as
food
and
beverage.
D
You
know,
I
know
enough
when
I
go
to
a
ballgame
and
I'm
paying
ten
dollars,
for
you
know
a
can
of
soda,
it's
ridiculous,
but
whatever
you
know
you're
captured
there,
and
so
we
don't
have
you
know
a
premier
dining
experience
capacity
that
I'm
aware
of,
and
so,
if
you
could
explain
to
me
what
it's
going
to
look
like
there
for
maximizing
food
and
beverage
revenue,
because
I'm
envisioning,
we
have
food
trucks
around,
because
our
charter
precludes
us
from
building
any
kind
of
a
kitchen
or
food
service
area,
correct.
Q
Well,
that
was
the
other
proposal
the
obg
had
mentioned
premier
dining.
We
never
mentioned
premiere
dynamics.
I.
Q
Actually
mentioned
was
keeping
the
concerts
not
as
the
triple
headers
that
are
most
typical,
with
their
company's
mantra,
where
you're
going
to
have
people
there
for
six
and
seven
hours
typical
of
the
amphitheater
in
tampa
two
intermissions
that
doesn't
help
our
downtown
businesses
at
all.
Q
There
will
be
some
some
events
that
are
larger
scale,
that
we
say:
let's
that's
a
great
show.
Let's
do
that
and
that
does
have
two
intermissions
that
might
be
for
an
entirely
different
audience
than
say
the
clear
sky
audience
we're
going
to
maximize
the
the
the
time
there
to
make
sure
we
have
quality
selections
like
like
the
hall,
where
we're
constantly
having
innovations
in
wraps
fresh
food,
healthy
food
choices
in
not
just
this
level
of
wine,
but
a
higher.
Q
The
public
has
said
that
that
price
of
wine
is
great,
but
we're
not
we're
not
opposed
to
paying
a
little
more
for
a
better
quality
listening
to
what
they
want
and
and
and
it
disperses
the
line
from
being
one
giant
line
for
the
five
dollar
glass
when
there
might
be
an
eight
dollar
option,
similar
with
craft
beer
same
thing.
So
once
again
we
go
through.
We
haven't
even
done
a
walkthrough,
yet
we're
going
to
see
we're
looking
at
as
a
blueprint.
Q
So
hopefully
we
can
see
where
we
can
have
our
food
and
team
in
there
and
maximizing
where
they
can
keep
lines
down,
because
that's
the
cancer
of
our
industry
and
disbursing
quality
and
variety
throughout
with
whatever
food
sources
we
can.
But
our
goal
was
not
fine.
Dining
down
there,
it
was
going
to
be
a
a
quality
experience
with
the
best
in
entertainment
and
not
keep
them
trapped.
Q
There
like,
like,
we
said
so,
bless
you,
so
that's
that's
what
direction
we're
coming
from
and
again
once
we
get
through
and
see
the
venue
and
see
what
other
areas
can
be
there
sure
food
trucks
are
great,
especially
if
you're
incorporating
the
other
parts
of
the
park
immersed
with
the
showtime,
but
that's
all
coming
with
you
know
in
inheriting
this
massive
space
and
and
best
utilizing
and
still
taking
care
of
our
businesses.
Q
D
Know,
managing
those
you
know,
food
trucks
or
whatever
do
it
all
the
time
we
do
it
all
the
time
and
and
and
that's
all
built
in
a
subcontract
like
with
you
and
a
trump
people,
we'll.
E
D
E
D
D
Does
it
mean
seating
and
a
food
experience?
I
mean
I
mean
again,
that's
in
the
weeds.
I
guess
we
can
go
go
back
when
you
when,
when
it
was
reported
in
the
tampa
bay
times
that
the
council
agreed
that
a
conservative
schedule
would
work
best,
that
schedule
would
mean
the
amphitheater
would
be
active
119
days
of
the
year.
D
Is
that
what
how
do
you?
You
know?
How
do
you
envision
how
many
number
of
concerts
for
full
activation?
That's.
Q
Q
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
take
five
years
to
get
to
85
events,
but
we
and
in
all
fairness
to
obg
as
well,
neither
of
us
had
any
any
quantity
direction
on
on
the
amount
of
shows
that
were
going
to
be
needed
or
requested.
The
last
thing
we
had
was
that
35
number
we're
35
to
40
and
that's
what
we
based
our
proposal
on.
Q
Q
From
so
we're
happy
to
to,
like
I
said,
mayor
mentioned,
the
more
more
volume
and
the
more
you
know,
quantified
approach
to
the
to
the
concerts
will
lead
to
more
profits,
more
activity,
downtown
and
and
and
therefore
more
hopefully,
more
in
the
other
parts
of
the
park.
Q
Correct
in
normal
years
versus
you
know,
unfortunately,
we've
had
to
deal
with
the
last
two
years,
but
normal
healthy
years.
It's
and
again,
I
think,
we're
in
a
better
position
simply
because
of
our
southern
location
compared
to
we'll
be
able
to
do
winter,
shows
and
and
add
to
that
heavy
traffic
in
the
summer,
which
is
a
win-win.
D
F
I
do
I
have
a
very
good
sense
of
what
the
council
now,
of
course,
there's
no
unanimity
amongst
all
five
of
you,
but
I
believe
that
we
can
negotiate
a
fair
and
equitable
agreement
with
ruth
eckert
that
will
maximize
the
opportunities
for
the
city,
but
also
take
in
into
account
the
community
impact.
F
So
this
is
going
to
be.
You
know,
as
I
said
in
the
beginning,
this
is
a
new
business
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
trial
and
error
and
and
scale,
and
so
we're
going
to
have
to
work
very
closely
with
with
ruth
eckerd
hall,
to
figure
out
what
is
most
appropriate
across
the
board.
You
know
food,
the
the
of
course
the
the
venue,
the
artists,
the
you
know.
There
may
be
artists
right
that
may
not
work
here
in
in
clearwater
and
because
of
complaints
or
whatever.
F
A
D
Q
I
have
already
half
a
dozen
artists
on
hold
for
next
summer
that
I've,
just
that
couldn't
wait
for
this
venue
to
be
built
because
they
simply
will
not
play,
as
I
mentioned,
in
a
drape
cut
down
these
artists,
who
would
come
in
for
some
multiple
nights
and
that
have
skipped
over
the
market
for,
and
we've
been
promising
this
for
several
years-
that
this
beautiful
vision
of
a
of
an
amazing
venue
will
be
built
and
they
keep
asking
when
is
it
ready?
They
already
know
another
year
another
year
and
now
they're
ready.
Q
Q
Maybe
so
it's
a
work
in
progress
we
like
to
get
the
body
of
it
done
as
soon
as
possible,
we're
looking
forward
to
the
walk
through
next
week
and
our
meetings
and
working
with
all
you
guys
individually-
and
here
you
know
it's
a
partnership
like
like
the
other
hollands.
Are
you
know
so.
Q
Hope
soon,
as
possible,
I
mean
honestly-
I
mean
I
don't
know.
What's
going
to
be
in
front
of
us,
I
mean
susan's
laid
out
some
things
that
are,
you
know
that
are
pretty
prominent
and
that
what
we're
willing
to
not
like
not
contest
anything
not
wanting
a
fee.
We
certainly
have
our
strong
feelings
against
the
seating
licenses.
We
think
the
morally
they're
not
right,
we
think
we're
like
ruth
eckerd,
is
like
the
number
one
most
hated
venue
in
the
country
for
scalpers.
We
are
just
like
on
a
rampage.
Q
Q
It
disputes
everything
that
you're
talking
about
about
the
public
will
pay
whatever
they
have
to
pay
to
get
these
tickets
and
it's
a
sin,
but
we
can
control
that
and
get
it
to
our
localized
and
really
monitor
those
seats
and
if
we
find
them
doing
something
against
the
statute.
Remember
our
ticketing
company
is
not
ticketmaster.
It's
a
private
company.
Q
We
don't
have
to
necessarily
go
buy
the
dollar
a
ticket
or
you
can
sell
okay,
it's
more
of
like
we're,
going
to
really
make
it
a
pain
for
them
to
transfer
their
tickets,
and
we
do
that
up
until
the
night
of
the
show
when
they
try
to
change
a
name
at
the
door.
I
mean
this
is
a
really
serious
epidemic
in
our
business,
especially
when
it
comes
into
a
brand
new
business,
with
a
high
risk
outdoors
and
high
priced
artists
coming
through.
Q
We
want
to
keep
all
the
money
in
the
spirit
of
the
deal
between
the
artists,
you
guys
and
us
that's
where
the
money
should
stay,
because
that'll
bring
it
back
to
help,
make
it
better
tomorrow.
We
don't
want
this
going
to
somebody
sitting
in
texas
that
can
actually
return
their
unsold
inventory
and
sell
for
10
times
the
price.
Okay.
So
that's
what
these
seating
contracts
will
do?
Q
You
lose
all
control
of
those
seats,
whereas
we
can
keep
it
local
first
ones
are
gonna,
get
it
and
that's
the
way
it
should
be,
and
if
they
don't
want
to
buy
the
80
tick
and
they
can
only
afford
the
50,
then
they'll
have
access
to
the
50..
When
you
start
selling
these
contracts
out
it
is,
is
it
is
all
the
hard
work
we've
done
to
make
it
to
where
we
are.
That's
sending
it
right
down
the
tubes
and
we're
emphatic
about
that.
I.
E
D
Hours
and
and
paid
way
way
too
much
money,
sometimes,
and-
and
I
love
that
philosophy
and
fully
on
board,
but
I
also
want
that
you
know
you're
able
to
break
even
or
return
a
profit
to
the
city.
So
if
we
can
make
those
two
things,
work.
Q
F
Yes,
mr
rossi
brings
up
a
very
good
point,
which
we've
been
talking
about
for
quite
some
time
it
it.
It
does
take
at
least
a
year
to
begin
booking
out.
F
A
F
I'm
very
confident
we'll
be
able
to
work
out
an
agreement
and
it
will
be
a
priority
for
us.
But
again,
as
we
all
know,
these
things
take
time
and
I'd
hate
to
lose
the
opportunities
that
could
potentially
be
coming
our
way
because
of
that
delay.
But.
F
A
Items
to
be
put
on
the
agenda
in
the
future.
Did
you
want
to
put
the
feedings
mr
bunker?
Yes,
okay,
any
other.
D
Items
I
thought
I
had
asked
about
that
at
a
previous.
D
My
thing
is
not
working,
I
would
like.
I
had
a
couple
things.
Oh,
the
clearwater
neighborhoods
coalition
gave
us
each
a
binder
about
some
suggestions.
They
had
for
community
development
board
and
other
things,
and
I
was
thinking
we
should
probably
put
it
on
a
work
session
agenda
to
talk
about
it
in
public.
D
I,
in
their
cover
letter
to
me,
they
had
said
you
know,
they're
going
to
set
up
meetings
with
us
one
on
one
yeah.
So
if
we
could
have
that
sometime,
probably
after
the
one-on-ones,
the
other
thing
I
had
was,
I
don't
know
the
process
of
recognition
of
a
resident
or
someone
in
the
community.
That's
done
something
good,
but
bill.
Poulin
is
the
master
gardener
who
is
in
charge
of
our
clearwater
community
garden
up
where
I
have
a
plot.
D
Many
others
have
a
plot
and
he's
done
a
phenomenal
job,
and
he
told
me
a
month
or
so
ago
that
he's
going
to
be
moving
leaving
the
state,
and
I
just
thought
it
might
be
nice
to
have
a
recognition
of
him
and
all
that
he's
done
with
that
community
garden.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
have
to
have
consensus
up
here
how
that
works.
D
I
wanted
to
say
that
and
then
I
wanted
to
say
one
other
little
thing
so
this
was
this
weekend.
I
was
at
the
shopping
with
a
vibe
and
the
motown
theme.
It
was
hot
and
it
was
fun
to
be
out
there.
D
But
a
resident
came
up
to
me
and
talked
to
me,
and
she
said
you
know
I
wrote
she
wrote
in
about
some
resident
who
was
putting
up
a
new
fence
and
the
fence
was
going
to
a
but
a
sidewalk
out
in
the
countryside
area,
and
there
was
some
issue
about
the
fence
couldn't
be
constructed,
the
way
it
was
originally
and
how
did
all
that
work,
and
so
I
sent
that
email
on
to
john
and
john,
I
think,
sent
it
to
gina
planning
and
the
you
know
the
result
was
someone
contacted
this
woman
and
the
fence
got
put
wherever
she
wanted
it,
and
you
know
the
resident
who,
who
I
saw
on
saturday
said
you
know
this
woman
had
just
lost
a
spouse
and
things
were
not
going
well
and
just
was
it
just
made
all
the
difference
in
the
world.
D
She
said
to
her
just
to
have
that
you
know
prompt
response
from
the
city
from
planning.
Things
got
worked
out
in
a
positive
way
and
she
said
you
know
she
had
tears
in
her.
She
said
it
made
a
huge
difference,
so
I
just
wanted
to
communicate
that
those
little
things
you
know
they
make
a
difference
to
people
and-
and
it
just
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
good.
Our
city
does
and
our
residents
do
appreciate
it
whether
it
gets
communicated
or
not.
A
A
F
Jennings
yeah-
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
mention
tonight-
is
the
third
of
our
four
community
meetings
and
strategic
planning
in
harpa
at
clearwater
beach
at
6,
00
pm,
and
then
tomorrow
night
we
have
the
same
meeting
at
the
countryside,
library
at
6
pm.
A
Mr
margolis
anything
yes,
sir,
and
it
looks
like
this
storm
may
affect
us
coming
out
of
mexico,
so
you
know
time
to
get
prepared
for
storm
season.
Tomorrow
is
day
one
mr
albritton.