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From YouTube: 4/1 Clearwater Special Council Work Session.
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4/1 Clearwater Special Council Work Session.
The agenda for the meeting can be found on the city's website at http://bit.iy/clearwaterCityCouncilMeetings
B
B
The
apartment
today
is
the
second
half
of
his
report
back
to
us,
and
it's
really
going
to
focus
on
the
financial
model
and
the
business
plan.
So
that's
what
we're
gonna
lead
off
today's
conversation.
We're
follow
we'll
follow
that
with
Darrell
block
from
stanza.
You
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
retractable
versus
permanent
options
and
Chris
spray
to
Ashok
is
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
seating
options
that
are
out
there
and
then
I'll
finish
up
with
some
some
information
about
the
interactive.
What
has
been
exempted
to
us.
B
You
know
with
that
I
would
encourage
all
of
the
council
to
use
this.
As
an
information
gathering
meeting,
we
have
four
items
that
we're
focused
on
as
far
as
one
for
its
interaction
on
Thursday
and
obviously
this
is
a
very
complex
issue.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
different
things
today
and
probably
between
now
and
Thursday,
so
I'm
keeping
open
mind
the
items
that
we're
going
to
look
at
giving
some
direction
on
for
Thursday.
C
Yes,
Duncan
Webb,
the
president
with
management
services,
New
York,
all
right
so
I'm
here
today,
to
give
you
the
second
part
of
a
feasibility
study
on
this
idea
of
the
amphitheater.
What
we've
done
so
far
is
investigated.
The
overall
idea
does
it
make
sense,
so
we
looked
at
the
characteristics,
relevant
trends
in
the
marketplace,
the
level
and
nature
of
hand.
What
is
the.
C
Opportunity
and
then
really
importantly,
what
is
the
best
project
to
advance
community
goals?
You'll
recall
this
is
a
slide
that
I
presented
at
the
last
month,
so
we
like
the
idea
of
covered
seats,
excellent
technology
and
expanded
backstage,
because
the
table
looks
strong
promoters,
quality
artists
who
will
attract
regional.
C
D
C
Let's
test
the
proceeded
capacity
in
a
2,500
to
3,000
seats
with
a
total
capacity
of
15,000,
and
then
our
discussion
after
we
decided
to
I,
will
build
the
distance
plan
based
on
the
3,000,
see
the
capacity
which
which
are
done
so
now
we
head
into
the
business
plan
particles,
talk
about
governance,
programming,
staffing,
the
leadership
facility
management
perform
on
operating
budget
and
then
critical
path.
So
we
accomplish
this
work
through
another
round
of
interviews
with
users
and
promoters
more
work
with
city
staff,
Parks
and
Rec
staff.
C
C
Per
se
I'm
sure
we
may
have
different
opinions
about
what
should
be
at
the
top
of
the
list.
I
don't
have
to
get
stuck
on
so
contribute
to
the
economic
vitality
of
Clearwater
and,
more
specifically,
to
the
revitalization,
don't
attract
and
support
during
arts
and
entertainment
to
the
Clearwater
region.
C
Make
the
waterfront
the
heart
of
Clearwater
celebrate
the
city's
authentic
history
and
identity,
provide
public
access
to
safe
and
beautiful
natural
amenities,
connect
to
the
rest
of
the
Clearwater,
generating
sufficient
revenues
to
sustain
operations
and
provide
affordable
access
to
well
equipped
facilities
for
the
benefit
of
look
for
parts
or
message.
There
really
is
a
very
tall
order
from
the
management
perspective
to
do
all
that.
But
let's,
let's
see,
if
we've
built
a
model
that
might
succeed,
let
me
say
something
else
about
these
carpets.
C
So
this
in
this
round,
we
have
extensive
interviews
with
six
minutes
into
our
esteemed
the
amphitheater,
our
telepathy,
the
Red
Hat
and
Rowley
Meisner
in
Boca,
Pompano
Beach
and
the
ascent
Besant
Park
amphitheater
in
Panama
Beach,
and
we
really
dug
into
the
minutiae.
How
do
you,
how
did
your
ticketing
system
opera?
How
do
you?
How
are
you
in
charge
of
food
and
beverage,
or
how
do
you,
what
other
contractors
the
place
to
do
that
really
helped
us
get
a
good
handle
on
what
might
work?
C
C
Where
you
are
at
risk,
you
are
buying
putting
it
on
you,
you
paid
the
fees
and
the
marketing
and
all
that
to
put
on
the
event
you
collect
the
box
office
proceeds
and
then-
and
you
hope,
and
and
and
you
hope
that
you
make
a
little
bit
of
a
margin.
Then
there
are
festivals.
Presenting
to
me
is
a
one
night
for
one
day:
things:
festivals
are
the
multi
day.
C
Events
that
you
already
have
here,
I
put
on
through
the
city
or
local
organizations
as
partners,
then
nonprofit
rentals,
which
would
include
Ruth's
effort
as
a
mom
precedent,
so
they
might
rent
it
in
order
to
do
presenting.
So
in
that
case,
you
are
not
at
risk
commercial,
rentals,
so
groups
like
Live,
Nation
and
AG
and
others
coming
in,
has
a
record.
We
believe,
according
to
the
Charter,
that
that
sort
of
activity
is
a
corporate
that
we
can
rent
it
out
for
that
and
then
various
community
events,
because
we
really
think
importance
at
this.
C
So
governance
is,
is
pretty
straightforward
because
we
really,
we
can't
have
an
outside.
It
can't
be
kind
of
a
police
arrangement
and
the
other
thing
that
we've
learned
and
was
really
reinforced
with
our
research
on
all
these
top-level
venues
is
don't
get
into
an
exclusive
relationship,
lose
one
presenter
or
promoter.
You
want
to
be
what
they
call
an
open
promoter
arrangement
where
different
promoters
are
able
to
come
and
present
their
work.
Are
there
just
as
a
straight
rental?
Well
with
you
as
a
coconut,
say
where
the
city
might
take
some
risk
initially.
D
C
C
D
C
Now
this
you
know
it's
a
little
bit
deceptive.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
other
people
working
on
the
amphitheater,
but
you
know:
80%
of
them
are
contract
event-based
for
backstage
front-of-house
security,
cleaning,
food
ticketing
or
mostly
Oh
event
based
contract
step,
so
they're
there.
There
are
only
these
full-time
positions.
C
C
Whom
the
park
has
been
developed
and
that
they
can
act
as
ambassadors
for
the
project
in
the
community,
so
this
Clou
folks
from
the
Downtown
Development
Board
there,
what
are
Downtown
Partnership,
the
neighborhoods
coalition,
the
regional
chambers,
local
arts
and
culture,
nonprofits
homeowners
associations
and
also
a
local
law
enforcement.
Ladies,
we
would
also
first
want
to
have
a
city
of
Clearwater.
D
C
Now
we
get
into
the
sort
of
the
details
of
sort
of
day-to-day
operation,
so
the
first
struggle
is
always
around
who
gets
first
dibs,
who
gets
the
gets
a
crack
at
the
calendar
before
the
prison,
we're
gonna
say
start
with
festivals
because
they
have
such
a
long
lead
time
and
they
really
need
to
nail
things
down
with
an
advance
then
on
profit
rentals.
Maybe
so
we
put
the
festivals
a
year.
Our
nonprofit
rentals
pavement
so
then
come
other
community
events
and
then
come
presenting
in
commercial
rentals.
C
Six
months
out,
they
tend
to
be
that's
generally,
okay
with
with
them
because
of
the
nature
of
their
when
things
are
going
on
the
road
and
how
many,
what
kind
of
notice
they
need.
Now,
it's
never
as
neat
and
tidy
as
that
there's
always
exceptions
and
always
lots
of
sort
of
jockeying
for
dates
on
the
calendar.
You
know
what
presenter
premier
pulls
up
and
says:
I've
got
an
opportunity
to
bring
such
and
such
an
artist
here,
they're
coming
through
Florida,
so
there
there
are
always
exceptions
to
these
rules.
E
C
Will
be
reoccurring,
events
at
the
same
time,
just
tangent,
so
one
of
my
very
favorite
art
facility
managers,
her
trip,
was
whenever
she
had
to
open
up
the
calendar
for
the
next
year.
She
would
invite
the
the
Broadway
gang
and
the
ballet
and
the
Opera
and
Symphony
opera
into
a
conference
room.
She
would
put
a
white
calendar
down
on
the
conference
table
and
she
would
say
alright,
you
guys
work
it
out.
C
I'm
gonna
be
back
in
two
hours
and
you
have
to
reserve
me
the
20
dates
for
things
that
I'm
single
night
things
that
I'm
going
to
present
good
luck
and
it
worked
through
whatever
process
they
used
to
schedule
it.
So
the
constant
access
is
really
important
in
here.
The
key
for
us
is
setting
rental
rates
that
give
some
favor
and
preferences
to
community
organizations
and
nonprofits,
and
then
now
you
know
for
a
formal
operating
budget.
It's
just
we
don't.
C
D
C
A
venue
that
is
the
first
step
walking
up
the
market
in
towards
the
idea
of
exerting
monopolistic
control
and
we've
seen
this
happen,
a
lot
around
the
country
where
these
larger
organizations
come
in
and
attempt
to
gain
control
of
the
market.
You
remember
your
economics
101.
You
would
recall
that
that's
a
bad
thing,
because
when
one
organization
controls
the
market,
three
things
after
one,
the
price
goes
up
to
the
supply
goes
down
and
three
equalities.
C
So
the
absence
of
competition
is
a
bad
thing
and
something
we're
going
to
avoid
in
the
way
that
you
want
to
write
this
thing,
including
beverage
operations.
So
I've
already
said
that
flexibility
is
theater.
We
think
that
it
should
be
extensive
for
some
events,
but
less
so.
For
other
words,
we
recognize
the
importance
of
supporting
downtown
restaurants,
food
and
beverage
establishments,
and
we
want
you
to
be
flexible
in
the
way
that
you
respond,
that
some.
D
C
C
It's
a
competitive
way
to
put
the
right
product
to
place,
and
you
know
the
world
of
ticketing
is
changing
for
family
from
probably
in
a
span
of
15
years,
it's
gone
from
a
hardware
business
to
a
shop
or
business,
to
a
licensing
business
to
a
cloud-based,
something
right
and
there's
these
waves
of
new
companies
and
consolidations,
and
we
really
have
to
stay
up
with
them:
technical
labor.
We
really,
we
would
stress
the
importance
of
building
the
labor
pool
necessary
to
run
events
in
the
park
and
in
backstage
for
audio
video
or
lighting
sound
projections.
C
C
Motivated
behavior,
various
facilities
have
around
Florida,
have
other
very
ways
of
managing
firearms
seems
to
be
the
most
common.
One
is
they're
able
to
suggest
that
the
person
running
the
event
there's
a
renters
promoter,
it's
their
rules
that
apply.
If
there
was,
we
had
the
tire
arms,
then
that
becomes
the
way
that
the
venue
permits
are
other
menus.
C
We
were
surprised
at
how
much
energy
facility
managers
around
the
country
put
into
making
sure
that
they're
getting
along
with
their
neighborhoods,
both
in
terms
of
the
noise
level
and
curfew
times
for
events
in
the
time
of
social
media,
some
things
bad
happens
or
something
the
people
are
like.
It's
with
the
storm
of
communications
that
landed.
C
And
you
have
to
be
raped
with
that,
but
the
better
thing
is
to
have
the
policies
in
place
to
minimize
complaints.
There
was
one
project
we
were
looking
at
recently
in
the
Ascend
amphitheater.
They
have
these
fancy
the
sound
meters
that
they're
running
around
with
during
the
events
and
monitoring
sound
levels
so
that
they
can
very
quickly
sort
of
resolve
the
problem
and
in
their
situation,
as
a
result
of
that,
apparently
they
reduced
neighborhood
complaints
by
a
factor
of
two
three
all
right
now
on
to
the
pro
forma
operating
budget.
C
So
I
built
this
with
the
help
of
city
staff
and
trying
to
understand
the
way
that
you
do
budgeting
and
cost
levels
and
revenue
levels.
Here,
it's
also
informed
by
some
of
these
comfortable
projects.
You
know
all
these
venues
are
prepared
to
share
their
financials
with
us,
but
we
we
got
some
information
on
the
confidential
basis.
Other
information
that
was
our
theories
of
building
these
pro
forma
operating
budget
is
that
it's
all
about
activity.
C
This
pro
forma
is
particularly
complicated
because
there's
four
different
types
of
events
and
we've
suggested
five
different
configurations
for
the
entity.
Now
they're,
probably
there
multiple
configurations,
but
in
order
not
to
lose
our
minds,
trendin
figure
it
out
what
we,
what
we
decided
was.
We
would
look
at
five
configurations.
So
first
is
the
festival
configuration
so
there's
no
seating.
It's
15,000
people
in
a
big,
open
space,
you've
got
food
and
beverage
and
all
the
other
things
happening.
C
You
have
a
big
single
event,
so
the
tow
capacity
is
15
and
then
of
that
you
have
3,000
seated
and
they
are
also
undercover
for
small
of
it.
We
decided
to
try
something
different.
We
were
doing
a
total
capacity
of
5,000
and
there
we're
covering
3,000,
but
not
the
CD,
just
to
see
what
that
was.
The
fourth
configuration
is
of
total
capacity
3000,
but
it's
all
seeded
into
a
card.
So
it's
essentially,
this
is
our
audience.
That
looks
like
me
later
wants
a
seat
to
be
covered.
C
You
know
Tiffany
or
something
so,
there's
no
long
behind
that
and
then
the
run
ride,
type
events
where
it's
just
about
the
stage
and
sort
of
entertainment
on
the
stage.
But
people
are
coming
through
with
lights
and
dogs
and
rings
and
James.
So
we
so
we
did.
Although
there's
20
different
little
exercises,
then
that
say
what
happens
when
it?
You
have
a
free
event
in
that
configuration
or
a
nonprofit
rental,
a
commercial
rental
or
presented
event,
so
I'm
just
going
to
show
you
one
example
of
that.
C
So
this
is
when
the
city
presents
professor,
so
we're
saying
in
year
one
they're
going
to
do
two
festivals.
They
average
two
days
each
and
there's
another
four
days
of
preparation
for
each.
So
it's
eight
days
of
preference.
It's
totally
twelve
days
of
use
associated
with
two
festivals.
We
project
a
conservative
attendance
of
fifty
percent
of
capacity,
so
that
means
seventy-five
hundred
people
a
day
or
thirty
thousand
for
the
tour.
We
said
it
ticket
price
of
thirty
bucks
for
two
day
event.
We
stand
have
ticket
sales
of
nine
hundred
thousand.
C
Then,
what
we're
proposing
is,
there's
a
we're
going
to
sell
some
extra
goodies
to
for
sort
of
a
VIP
experience.
So
that's
a
separate
little
area
where
they
can
stand
or
glass
of
wine
or
some
extra
food.
Some
you
know
goodies
that
we
can
offer
them,
so
they
we're
gonna,
say
the
10
percent
of
our
audience
goes
for
that
and
they
paid
twenty
phone
books.
The
person
to
do
that,
so
that
generates
another
seventy
five
and
we
have
sponsorship
7,500
bucks
for
each
event,
dang.
So
that's
another
30
grand
our.
C
So
whenever
somebody
buys
a
ticket,
you
know
they're
the
ticketing
fees.
On
top
of
that,
this
is
a
pretty
conservative
number
relative
to
what
you
have
to
pay
with
a
water,
commercial
events
250
there
and
then
the
food
and
beverage
member.
This
is
we're
going
all
including
beverage
for
our
festivals,
so
we're
projecting
the
per
capita
expenditure
is
25
bucks,
that's
750!
C
C
Those
revenues
its
1.8
million
dollars
for
those
festivals,
then,
over
on
the
right
side,
we
have
our
expenses,
so
the
average
towel
cost
per
day
is
$150,000,
so
we're
paying
for
towel
600
grand
$40,000
per
day
of
event,
day
of
marketing,
so
that
160
pounds,
production
costs
of
$25,000
event,
management
cost,
which
includes
security.
All
that
kind
of
stuff
is
another
$50,000
of
this.
So
that's
two
hundred
thousand
a
cost
of
our
VIP
services
is
ten
bucks
per
campus,
so
we're
charging
25
we're
paying
temps.
C
E
C
And
like
it's
happening
a
lot
buildest,
so
you
can
now
use
it
to
develop
other
configurations
and
test
various
changes
in
the
physical
plan.
If
you
think
the
ticket
prices
are
too
high
or
too
low,
it's
cool,
so
it
becomes
a
model
that
you
can
use
a
couple
of
summary
pieces
from
it.
So
what
we're
saying
is
that
there
are
year
1.
C
There
are
42
event
days
so
a
day
where
something
is
going
on
and
124
uses
that's
having
all
the
loading
in
and
out
and
that
grows
to
46,
so
I'm,
being
very
conservative
in
this
five
year
span.
The
rental
attendance
is
93
thousand
four
hundred
to
the
presenting
attendance
d
8070.
So
the
total
attendance,
the
total
number
of
people
who
enter
an
event
in
the
year
one
is
150
mm.
It
grows
270
more,
but
this
is
the
financial
summary.
C
So,
on
the
income
side,
there
are
only
two
numbers
because
we
did
through
that
exercise
and
every
kind
of
event.
We
did
all
the
gross
revenues
and
expenses
in
order
to
achieve
a
net.
So
there's
two
income
lines:
there's
one
is
a
net
from
presenting
and
one
is
a
neck
from
rentals
know,
get
some
900,000
and
you're
1
and
1/4
really
gets
that
we
have
our
full-time
staff,
our
part-time
staff,
our
event
staff.
D
C
Computers,
a
city
chargeback,
we
figured
in
some
ways
to
that
we
can
plug
in
to
see
the
elements
to
get
some
of
the
services
in
order
to
get
with
our
collaborators.
The
bottom
line,
for
you
all,
is
the
building
in
the
year
before
it
opens.
You
have
to
spend
a
bunch
of
money
and
if
you
look
at
anything
batteries,
there's
four
hundred
eighty
thousand
dollars
annually,
but
by
the
fifth
year
of
operation,
you
are
generating
an
operating
service.
So
when
we
gear
why
it's
340,
here
down
to
19
1.8
41.
C
So
I
think
that's
a
first
of
all
I
believe
the
numbers
are
conservative
and
you're
pushing
hard
on
anything
and
I
think
that's
also
a
good,
realistic
expectation
on
your
part
to
get
it
to
the
level
low
operating
surplus
by
year
five.
So
you
know
these
I'm
making.
You
know
a
thousand
assumptions
in
these
to
build
these
budgets.
It's
a
big
risks
really
in
this
case,
are
really
about
whether
or
not
the
activity
cops.
E
C
C
Then
I
checked
with
the
219
and
they're
theoretically,
okay
they're
sort
of
into
programming
and
costing
in
this
second
quarter
of
the
year
heading
into
schematic,
design,
design,
development,
Kirk,
Dawkins
construction
and
commissioning
it's
a
little
type
of
the
theoretically
achievable
and
then,
from
my
perspective,
it's
important
to
start
to
see
both
planning
for
operations.
Well,
they
have
things
you
have
to
do
around
putting
staff
in
place
and
policy
and
contracting
for
ticketing
systems
and
clearing
out
food
and
beverage
operations.
C
So
I'll
just
finish
with
like
to
quote
the
fellow
that
taught
me
how
to
do
this
for
30
years
ago
used
to
say
two
things
to
me.
First
thing
you
said
was
Duncan
takes
a
long
time
for
something
to
happen.
70
and
that's
in
reference
to
these
approaches
we're
very
often
they
bump
along
for
a
long
time,
and
everyone
gets
very
frustrated
at
how
slow
it
is
cumbersome.
C
C
Have
them
very
quickly,
so
the
second
thing
he
said,
which
is
related
to
the
first
he
said
now.
Can
we
make
work
in
the
Earth's,
it's
all
about
politics
and
economics,
so
the
thing
that
makes
these
projects
finally
take
off
when
they
do
is
when
we
can
light
up
the
community
argument
and
the
creative.
A
G
H
D
D
C
Operating
model
is
that
there
is
very
roofing
time
and
seating.
The
counting
goes
but
I'm,
not
assuming
that
we
have
any
kind
of
super
fancy
automated
system
where
the
seating
disappears
and
readers
when
I'm
putting
in
the
full
labor
costs
associated
with
change
overs.
The
way
I
have
to
do
them
now
great,
we
get
a
system,
that's
makes
the
changeover
easier,
but
the
model
is
long.
I
J
C
As
I
think
he
was
still
attract
the
same
high
quality
part.
You
want
then
necessarily
having
a
four
thousand
seats.
Undercover
seated
for
couple
of
reasons.
One
I
think
the
total
capacity
numbers
more
important
than
the
seat
I.
Think
of
having
15,000
people
able
to
come
to
this
and
not
be
seated,
is
terrific
and
I
think
it
also
reflects
the
future
I
think
a
lot
of
younger
people
are
less
interested
in
our
fixed
seating
events
and
more
interested
in
things
where
they're
roaming
around
also
we've
seen
a
lot
of
other.
C
The
more
seats
you
building
the
more
structure
you
build,
the
harder
it
is
for
you
to
return
to
a
place
setting
when
the
space
is
not
induce,
isn't
it
so
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
the
hot-button
issue,
as
the
project
continues
to
move
forward.
I
know
my
argument
over
you.
You
will
have
heroes.
You.
J
A
A
A
A
D
G
I
think
you've
answered
it
about
the
seating
and
the
more
I've
thought
about
this,
and
even
going
to
you
know
spring
training,
Phillies
games,
I,
see
everybody
in
the
stadium
and
then
I
see
a
lot
of
people
out
on
the
green
and
I.
Think
in
the
more
I
thought
about
it.
He's
still
gonna
have
15,000
base
for
15,000
people,
so
3,000
seats
isn't
enough,
for
you
say:
hey.
G
People
can
put
blankets
or
whatever
I'm
fine
with
that.
Well,
let
me
ask
you
about
restrooms
I,
know
you're
putting
up
part
of
the
design
architecture
thing,
but
how
do
these
other
facilities?
Because
we
certainly
don't
want
to
build
restaurants
for
15,000
people,
because
I
maintenance
on
that
would
be
terrible.
So
what
do
you
recommend
for
that?
We
should
have
in
the
park
for
restrooms,
so
the
design.
G
C
D
G
Has
always
bothered
me
because
I
always
been
visioned
in
my
head
he's
connector
seats.
It
would
just
pop
up
five
seats
at
a
times
when
his
sore
and
then
I
started
thinking
about
working
a
store
all
that
stuff.
Nobody
could
tell
me
I
didn't
want
to
have
to
invent
the
wheel,
but
nobody
could
show
me
anything
and
that
people
are
using
like
that.
So
you're
figuring
just
a
regular
like
we
have
now
a
full
seat
that
can
be
flattened
out
and
we
just
have
a
crew
come
in
and
set
up
and
take
down.
I
feel.
C
G
H
A
Thank,
You
meryt,
appreciate
all
the
work.
I
feel
that
there
were
some
issues
that
really
weren't
answered
and
I'm
going
to
present.
Some
of
these
questions
to
you
I'm
one
nervous
and
absolutely
opposed
to
the
3000
C
peso
I'm,
going
to
tell
you
why
you
talk
about
the
total
capacity
being
15,000
and
that's
really
what
we
should
be
focusing
on
yeah.
The
current
market
trend
suggests
that,
first
of
all,
there
is
an
absence.
There's
a
whole.
H
These
boutique
facilities
that
that
will
handle
the
7500
before
I,
give
you,
for
instance,
the
15,000
that
works
for
multi-day,
festivals
and
oftentimes.
When
you
you
look
at
the
recorded
attendance,
even
with
our
vegetables,
even
jazz
holiday
you're,
a
seating
capacity,
even
we
haven't,
had
a
so
lot
proud
of
fifteen
sixteen
thousand
since
Kenny
G,
so
total
capacity.
Fifteen
thousand
may
be
just
fine,
but
what
in
fact
currently
the
market
is
demanding
where
there's
a
big
hole,
I'm
not
being
fulfilled.
H
H
Conferences
all
of
the
high
school
graduations
I
promise
you
there
is
no
venue,
we
won't
be
putting
our
stage
on
spectrum.
Fielding
will
be
using
this
part
so
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
don't
necessarily
take
issue
to,
but
I
just
want
to
clarify
and
in
my
mind
so
that
the
community
can
hear
me
is
that
you
talk
about
this
part.
This
waterfront
become
in
the
heart
of
Clearwater
yeah.
You
were
hired
to
look
at,
you
were
consulted
for
the
amphitheater
and
its
surrounding
grass
areas.
H
I
will
suggest
at
the
heart
of
down
to
the
water.
Is
the
entire
66
acre
project,
not
just
the
amphitheater,
so
three
thousand
to
me
does
not
fill
that
void
in
the
market
and
we've
heard
it
from
and
profitability
I
think
also
is
going
to
make
a
difference
because
yeah
there's
going
to
be
the
rental
fee,
but.
E
H
Also
a
percentage
of
the
ticketing,
so
the
more
VIP
tickets
yourselves,
the
normally
will
make
there
so
I
think
these
are
valid
points
and
we
don't
I've
heard
it
over
and
over
not
just
from
Ruth
Becker
ball.
A
combination,
but
attendees
is
that
it
is
about
the
experience
and
if
we
don't
build
it,
either
Jeb
vinegar,
but
let
this
is
going
to
do
in
safety,
and
so
I
worry
about
going
too
small
and
I'm
not
being
brought
into
the
future.
So
the
three
thousand
is
not
the
right
number.
A
C
Argument
on
the
part
of
motors
is
compelling
the
threat
that
somebody
else
is
gonna
do
it
is
nerve-wracking,
but
I'm,
just
gonna
stand
by
my
experience
of
venues
that
actually
get
no
operated.
That
I
think
I
would.
Rather,
you
were
in
a
position
of
being
a
little
bit
under
built,
silent,
no
events
and
and.
A
H
C
D
C
Made
choices
about
how
they're
going
to
pretend
that
they
are
the
and
all
the
venues
we
looked
at.
They
are
that
sort
of
aberration
in
terms
of
profitability
and
I
think
the
thing
that
they
do
better
than
anything
else
is
food
in
there.
So
the
more
seats
are
my
mind
are
really
about
driving
more
food
and
record
charge.
Well,
I
think
you
can
I
think
you
can
approach
that
level.
C
I
Don't
know
if
it's
necessarily
a
question
but
I'm
gonna,
try
to
former
this
woman
I
think
we're
getting
caught
up
on
the
you
know
the
number
right
now
but
I
mean
when
you
talk
about
covered
seats
once
the
Sun
Goes
Down
I,
don't
care
if
it's
covered
or
not
we're
talking
about.
You
know
how
many
of
our
events
take.
How
many
of
our
events
take
care
take.
Take
a
course
you
know
or
take
take
place
in
the
middle
of
the
day.
I
At
the
heat
of
the
day,
it's
and
we're
talking
about
covered
seats,
that's
what
they
are
covered
seats.
You
know
we're
fortunate
here
to
have
the
kind
of
weather
that
we
don't
lose
a
lot
of
things
to
to
the
weather
precipitation.
But
you
know
that's
a
chance
everybody
takes
around
here.
We
live
with
that.
I
I
C
A
A
B
Just
while
he's
doing
that
down
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
built
the
rate
based
on
the
2%
as
we
discussed
in
February
was-
and
it's
not
exactly
2
percent-
that's
around
2%
was
because
of
the
effect
of
the
retaining
wall
at
the
back
end
of
the
Grand
River
early
designs
showed
a
steeper
people
rating
and
much
higher
retaining
wall
or
something
around
campus.
So
that
was
a
reason.
B
K
C
C
A
I
Important
I
think
one
of
the
other
importance,
even
as
important
enough
one
important
point
says
right
now
and
coach
from
Clark
when
there's
an
event
going
on
coaching
part,
Curtin
park
is
closed
and
the
only
thing
else
down.
There
is
a
concrete
parking
lot
when
this
is
done.
Even
when
there's
an
event
going
on
we're
not
going
to
be
shutting
down
the
other
areas
of
the
park,
there's
going
to
be
other
areas
for
people
to
come
to.
B
K
I
think,
from
the
public's
perspective,
we're
very
seasonal
right
now
as
well,
where
we
do
most
of
our
events,
either
in
the
in
the
spring
or
in
the
fall
because
of
the
the
cost
of
setting
things
up.
If
there's
infrastructure
there,
you
know,
hopefully
we'd
be
able
to
spread
that
impact
out
farther
we're
right
now
there
are
certain
months
of
the
year
where
it's
it's
closed,
for
events
for.
A
L
L
And
what
might
be
applicable
to
this
project
specifically?
So
essentially,
there
are
three
different
types
of
retractable:
roof
systems.
There
are
fabric
types,
there
are
solid
types
which
could
be
carbon,
it
could
be,
glass
could
be
metal,
but
it's
solid
wood
and
then
there
and
those
are
essentially
available.
It
means
off-the-shelf
of
the
type
of
configurations.
Then
there
are
custom
systems
which
could
be
virtually
anything
you
can
think
about.
So
those
are
the
three
basic
types
that
we're
looking
at
now
and.
L
So,
as
far
as
the
first
type
is
concerned,
the
fabric
types
you've
probably
had
seen
some
of
these
before
and
things
like
out.
There
were
dining
terraces
and
things
like
that
they're
intended
to
cover
relatively
small
sections,
something
in
the
neighborhood
of
an
18
by
24
foot
space.
The
image
that
shown
here
has
multiple
sections
grouped
together,
so
it
can
effectively
cover
a
larger.
D
L
L
L
The
second
type
of
system
is
a
is
a
solid
type.
You
can
see
an
image
on
the
bottom
right
that
peaked
roof
section
is
the
operable
section
and
what
happens
is
those
center
panels
that
meet
at
the
top
of
that
Ridge
actually
slide
down
and
cover
the
lower
sections?
And
those
are
these
happen
to
be
polycarbonate
in
this
case
they're
about
ten
feet
wide
each
and
they
just
have
an
array
of
them,
so
it
can
cover
as
much
space
as
you
want.
L
It
is
obviously
a
better
system
when
it
comes
to
having
a
better
protection
for
rain,
but
there
are
limitations
again.
There
is
structure
when
you
look
at
the
image
on
the
bottom
left
that
structure
those
trusses
are
in
place,
because
it's
supporting
not
only
the
sections
that
move
but
the
sexuals
they
stack
on
top
of.
L
So
again,
it's
important
to
note
that
the
structure
doesn't
go
away,
but
the
roof
panel
that
covers
it
does
and
then,
of
course,
the
third
system
is
the
custom
system
and
that's
anything
that
you
could
imagine
and
they
come
in
both
large
and
small
sizes.
But
you
see
that,
most
typically
in
a
larger
size,
this
is
the
Arthur
Ashe
Stadium,
where
they
played
us
open.
L
You
can
see
that
center
section
it
kind
of
splits
apart
in
the
middle
and
the
entire
section
in
the
center
then
becomes
open
just
by
virtue
of
the
way
that
the
structures
configure,
and
it
is
obviously
quite
larger
than
the
text
words.
You
could
imagine
the
size
that
that
might
take
in
this
particular
project.
L
There
are
other
systems
such
as
this
one
that
do
allow
the
entire
structure,
in
addition
to
the
canopy
system,
to
be
retracted,
but
they
require
guides,
they
require
rails.
They
require
something
for
that
structure
to
slide
along
its
face
in
place
in
our
particular
project.
Chances
are
that
system
would
be
on
the
ground
if
the
structure
itself
wanted
to
move
as
well
as
the
retractable
can't
be
particle.
So
the
fact
is
that
there
is
infrastructure
that
is
in
place;
it
doesn't
all
mash
and
go
away
in
this
particular
type.
L
L
This
project
we
saw
last
time
when
Duncan
was
looking
at
different
comparables.
This
is
that
festival,
space
in
Austria
and
these
canopy
systems
kind
of
collapse
toward
the
center,
and
it
shows
it
employed
and
then
in
the
non-employee
sort
of
version
of
that
non-deployed
and
you
can
see
the
cables
in
the
structure
that
requires
that
it
is
required
to
maintain
it's
operable.
Characteristics
are
in
place
all
the
time.
L
So
what
you
see
on
the
right
is
what
it
looks
like
when
there's
not
an
event,
so
that
system
is
there
and
there
are
other
ways
of
doing
this.
Obviously,
but
the
point
I'm
trying
to
illustrate
is
that
the
system
and
the
structure
stays
and
there's
always
something
there
and
then
the
last
two
projects
I
wanted
to
show
the
one
on
the
left
is
a
custom
version
of
that
retractable
canopy
system,
that
is
on
those
curved
beams.
L
L
L
So
some
considerations
to
keep
in
mind
we're
thinking
about
retractable
systems.
What
we're
looking
at
here,
just
based
on
the
size
and
the
scale
of
it
it
has
into
the
category
of
being
customer.
We
look
at
alternatives
where
we
can
keep
a
logic
or
shape,
but
they
all
exceed
the
size
that
any
system
that's
currently
manufactured
affordance.
So
anything
that
we're
talking
about
is
a
custom
system
and
the
maintenance
associated
with
this
is
greater
than
it
would
be
with
an
actual
group.
L
The
maintenance
that
we
would
have
on
a
fixed
roof
for
the
canopy
would
be
very
similar
to
what
you'd
expect
for
a
roof
of
any
building.
There's
cleaning
things
like
that
that
you'd
have
to
think
about
when
it
comes
to
a
retractable
system,
there's
all
the
mechanics
that
make
it
retractable
that
you
have
to
maintain.
There's
the
guides.
There's
the
motors
there's
all
the
function,
parts
that
you
have
to
make
sure
are
operating
when
you
want
to
operate
so
depending
on
frequency
with
which
you're
using
it.
K
L
As
the
costs,
the
costs,
unfortunately,
are
extremely
variable.
Based
on
the
system,
that's
chosen.
We've
been
hearing
from
different
manufacturers
that
we've
talked
to
them
from
our
false
estimator
that
a
large
chunk
of
the
cost
that
you
in
a
half
that
is
canopy,
is
actually
the
structure
itself.
That's
supporting
it,
whether
it's
your
tracker
or
not,
the
increase
to
a
retractable
system
could
be
anywhere
from
about
15
to
50
percent.
More
than
the
structure
that
you
need
just
to
provide
the
place
with
retractable
systems.
To
keep.
Does
that
make
sense.
G
So
some
of
the
pictures
you
showed
us
are
in
other
parts
of
the
United
States,
but
seeing
how
we're
right
here
in
the
hurricane
alley,
I'm
sure
that
would
contribute
to
the
cost
or
something
even
the
structure
like
I
can
see
going
with
some
kind
of
fabric.
But
that's
the
part
that
doesn't
worry
me
is
so
structure
on.
That
would
have
to
be.
M
L
G
L
Yes,
it
and
then
that's
what
I'm
suggesting
before,
if
you're,
in
a
situation
where
you're
actually
using
it
a
lot
and
there's
probably
in
some
cases,
less
maintenance
than
if
you
were
to
stay
fixed
in
one
one
position
for
a
long
period
of
time,
but
there
are
rails,
there
are
barriers,
there
are
wheels.
There
are
things
that
have
to
be
irritated
in
order
to
work,
and
you
do
have
to
expect
some
sort
of
maintenance
associated
with
that.
L
There
are
some
systems,
some
of
the
fabric
systems
there
they're
pulled
by
cables
that
retracted
and
in
other
systems
they
have
motors
that
actually
move
it.
So
it
depends
on
the
weight
of
the
system
system.
There's
no
question:
there's
increased
maintenance
because
the
parts
are
muted.
They
don't
have
to
make
sure
that
they're
there's
nothing.
B
G
G
H
L
So
the
ones
like
the
Arthur
Ashe
Stadium
as
an
example,
is
probably
among
the
more
expensive,
because
that
entire
center
section
goes
away.
So
the
sections
are
much
larger.
The
mechanics
are
much
bigger
than
order
to
let
you
figure
everything,
that's
bigger,
associated
with
that
system.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
here
would
be
to
try
to
refine
things
in
a
way
where
the
sessions
are
smaller,
there's
more
of
them
and
they're
smaller
and
hopefully
keep
things.
I
think
the
most
cost-effective.
L
But
we
have
had
a
number
of
conversations
with
different
manufacturers
that
are
nations
to
get
into
more
design
more
refinement.
That's
why
they're
hesitant
in
giving
us
an
exact
number,
because
we
haven't
really
fully
developed
that
system
and
I
agree
that
15
to
50
percent
is
a
pretty
big
range
and
my
guess,
based
on
the
overall
square
footage
and
size
that
we're
talking
about
it,
doesn't
seem
like
it
compares
really
with
some
of
the
stadiums
that
we
see,
but
the.
L
H
B
The
peepers,
like
me,
just
put
a
meeting,
were
arranged
of
nine
point:
six
to
seven
point:
three
million
for
the
structural
canopy,
so
the
in
place
structured,
campus,
nine
point,
six
million
to
eleven
point:
three
million
were
fixed
with
a
fixed
and
the
retractable
option
would
add
another
six
hundred
thousand
to
one
point:
five
million,
so
that
version
is
on
the
lower
side.
Of
that,
then,
will
give
you
a
the
you
know,
the
visual
of
that
sink
and
you
can
see
it
but
I.
B
E
We
don't
have
program,
we
don't
have
programming
because
of
the
web
and
because
of
how
the
crowd
has
responded
to
those
hot
humid
that
hot
humid
timeframe
the
canopy
serve
as
in
our
minds
for
a
while
there
to
be
the
the
aspect
that
makes
those
summertime
events
occur
and-
and
so
you
know,
I
think
well,
I
think
that's
the
that's
kind
of
been
the
issue.
What's
driving
what's
driving
the
canopy?
E
What's
driving
the
canopy
has
been
and
you're
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
stand
pregnant
if
I'm
wrong
has
been
the
desire
to
utilize
the
park
year-round
as
opposed
to
the
typical
seasonal
timeframes
that
we
have
used.
I
think
it
would
be
rather
difficult,
keep
it
during
those
seasonal
times
to
ramp
up
to
the
kind
of
programming
you
with
character.
Here,
where
you
say
just
remember
your
remember
those
conversations
it
went,
it
range
anywhere
from
having
something
there
every
night
to
be
certainly,
and
they
permit
higher
than
what
we're
currently
doing
now.
So.
H
H
The
rest
of
the
drivers
are
to
make
it
enjoyable
destination,
or
whether
it's
a
non-profit
and
to
increase
tickets
and
to
increase
or
decrease
risk
of
providing
devices.
So
it's
not
just
to
make
it
at
12
year
round
parking
a
much
better
community
asset
that
can
be
utilized
all
year
long,
but
to
to
be
more
of
an
enticement
for
Greater
programming.
H
I
But
I'm
just
talking
from
experience
cloth
awnings
are
you
know,
fabric
awnings
we've
got
those
on
the
patio
at
the
Pavilion
and
in
about
two
months,
we're
going
to
be
in
the
process
of
taking
them
out
and
putting
it
on
the
roof,
because,
while
they
look
great
and
they
they're
they're
wonderful
when
they're
new
and
they
have
a
little
bit
of
water
repellent
property
over
time,
the
Florida
Sun
takes
that
water
repellent
property
away,
and
are
we
trying
to
create
you
know?
Or
do
we
want
these
covered
seats?
I
We
want
the
covered
seating
to
be
a
dry
place
in
inclement,
weather
I
would
I
would
say
yes,
so
I
think
we're
looking
I
think
personally
we're
looking
at
a
permanent
roof
or
if
you
want
retractable,
it's
got
to
be
a
hard
surface.
That's
going
to
be
probably
more
expensive,
but
I
can
also
tell
you
that
that's
a
little
more
severe
out
on
this
on
the
beach
itself,
because
of
the
sand
that
the
salt
air
wreaks
havoc
on
the
mechanics
and
we
are
at
high
salt
air
environment.
I
So
you
know
from
a
cost
standpoint
and
maintenance
standpoint:
a
fixed
permanent
roof.
I
think
is
going
to
be
our
best
bet,
and
that
also
provides
an
area
of
shade
when
there's
nothing
going
on
and
in
the
summer
people
can
be
down
there.
They
can
be
in
the
shade
and
get
out
of
it.
You
know
up
underneath
it
so
I
think
that's
for
me.
I
You
know
we
spent
a
lot
of
money,
putting
those
retractable
awnings
in
at
the
Palm
billion
and
they've
been
great
most
of
the
time,
but
when
it
does
rain
in
a
high
wind
situation,
they
have
to
be
retracted
because
they
wound
it
and
at
the
grains
everybody
that's
sitting
out
on
that
patio
has
to
pick
up
their
dinner
plate
and
run
inside
because
it's
not
work.
So
it
is
that's.
D
J
J
L
Space
around
there's
no
question
about
it.
I
think
that,
with
regards
to
it
being
retractable
or
not,
I
think
we
would
probably
if
we
could
have
an
opportunity
to
study
both
systems
with
a
fixed
shape
and
say
what
does
it
really
look
like
with
an
actual
manufacturer
to
give
us
some
real
costs
and
some
real
ideas
about
one
of
the
mechanics?
L
L
L
D
A
You
might
my
concern:
is
that
anything
that
we're
talking
about
is
going
to
take
our
green
space
because
of
the
structure?
That's
gonna
need
to
be
there
to
support
it,
whether
there's
an
event
there
or
not.
Yes,
in
the
bigger
area
that
we
try
to
cover,
then
the
less
space
would
remain
open
in
folks
green.
A
A
A
But
what
we're
talking
about
is
different
types
of
a
bath.
Okay,
we
can't
just
talk
about
paid
offense
with
seats,
okay
and
right
now.
The
majority
of
what
we
have
is
that
you
know
you
know.
Another
example
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
in
st.
Petersburg
has
had
the
Ribfest
closed
a
bit
in
a
park
area
that
is
no
longer
gonna
going
to
occur
because
because
of
the
cup,
but
that's
a
festival,
and
it
has
been
very
successful
in
the
past.
A
G
A
A
A
A
B
A
G
Comment
is
that
I
think
it
neat.
You
need
to
have
a
fixed
part
over
the
stage,
because,
more
importantly
than
somebody
gangrena,
if
the
musicians
are
out
there
with
all
that
equipment,
if
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
gets,
we
don't
have
want
to
have
any
leaking
coming
down
on
that
and
have
an
ATAR
everything.
So
that's
why
I
kind
of
drew
my
attention
to
this
one
with
a
fixed
and
then
the
part
that
comes
out
from
that,
but
so
that's
the
only
thing
I
would
suggest
is
whatever
we
do.
L
D
H
Thank
You
America
I
mean
that's
gonna,
be
that's
a
no-brainer,
that's
a
given!
That's
what
we
have
that's
what
we
have
now
you
have
to
have
that
we
can't
call
it
an
it.
Just
call
it.
A
slap
I
want
to
approach
this
from
the
community
program
inside
because,
first
and
foremost,
we're
supposed
to
retain
the
community
character
and
availability
for
the
community
set
aside,
the
fact
the
entire
Park
is
six
acres,
we're
talking
less
than
four
acres
for
this
and
I'm
going
to
follow
dr.
H
Kunduz
comments
where
there's
roughly
two
football
fields
left
not
under
cover,
even
if
we
only
did
the
3505
your
study,
here's
a
thing
that
said
3,500
seats
is
the
Curtis
size.
Training
per
butene
outside
is
that
the
community
will
have
not
only
two
football
fields
which
they
can
do
they're
there,
whether
it's
frisbee
toss
picnic
whatever
they
want
to
do
out
in
the
sunshine
12
months
out
of
the
year,
given
the
conditions,
but
then,
with
this
cover
area,
all
of
the
other
things
that
we've
all
talked
about.
H
The
the
operational
portion
of
maintaining
live
grass
under
that
covered,
roof
or
retractable
roof
doesn't
make
sense,
artificial
turf
or
some
product,
and
at
a
two
percent
rate,
they'll
still
be
able
to
do
any
community
ask
things
they
want
to
do.
I,
don't
I'm
gonna
get
to
another
important
point,
because
this
may
be
someone
in
the
audience
may
be
able
to
answer
this
or
someone
on
staff.
The
Florida
orchestra
wants
to
come
and
they
were
looking
to
possibly
what
conversations
did
we
get?
H
How
many
events
did
they
want
to
do
here
and
the
reason
I
ask
this
is
and
on
the
stage
is
a
question
by
this
in
the
diagram
you
have
an
area
to
call
flex-space
in
front
of
the
stage.
So
what
I've?
Since
subsequent
conversations
have
said?
Well,
Florida
orchestra,
they
sell
VIP
tables,
they're
gonna
put
15
people
at
a
table,
white
linen
and
their
crowd
might
be
all
white
linen
tables,
but
not
necessarily
chairs.
So
artificial
is
absolutely
the
only
way.
H
I
see
this
going
and
as
opposed
to
snap
and
lock
in
CDs,
because
Florida
orchestra,
if
they
do
15,
shows
a
year,
they're
gonna,
sell
100
tables
so
covered
seating
for
only
3,000
seats
may
not
be
enough
for
12th
person
capacity
table
which
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
primary
users
as
far
as
the
community
organization,
different
demographic,
so
I
wanted
to
throw
that
point
out.
There
I
forgot
what
my
question
was.
J
B
E
If
I
could
make
one
comment
about
Florida
orchestra,
they
have
never
been
bachelor
about
telling
us
what
kind
of
space
they
need
in
order
to
optimize
their
concert
making.
So
the
focus
in
our
conversation
with
them
has
been
on
producing
concerts
I,
don't
think,
we've
had
any
conversations
about
other
aspects
of
what
they
would
like
to
see
in
front
of
the
stage.
H
C
There
was
a
slide
we
showed
in
our
last
presentation
about
Simsbury,
where
the
Hartford
Symphony
is
their
summer
season.
They
do
four
concerts
and
they
incredible
wall.
They
set
up
tables
for
their
VIP
customers
at
a
table
and
they
make
a
bunch
of
money
doing
this.
So
that's
the
model
which
is
widely
used
and
it
makes
sense.
M
You
asked
about
sort
of
what
those
last
time
I
was
here.
You
asked
me
about
the.
What
are
the
removable
sort
of
plug-in
options?
Are
I've
done
some
research
with
our
firm
around
the
country,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
the
design
team
we
have
not,
and
my
update
is
to
tell
you
the
week
we're
not
currently
aware
of
any
manufacturer
that
offers
a
standard
non
customized
off-the-shelf
product.
That
is
a
bank
of
four
or
five
chairs
that
stab
as
because
just
into
into
the
ground,
a
number
of
the
scenic
manufacturers.
M
We've
talked
to
have
chairs
that
could
be
removed,
but
there
would
still
be
a
rail
or
some
supports
that
doesn't
then
support
the
idea
of
that
seating
bowl
being
available
for
park
use
because
there'd
be
rails
for
whatnot.
One
of
the
vendors
that,
in
fact
the
Daryl's
been
talking
to
is
a
park.
Furniture
manufacturer
who's
investigating
the
possibility
of
modifying
their
products,
but
they're
not
confident
they
can
make
it
work
and
it
would
come
at
a
pretty
significant
cost
increase
over
a
standard,
folding
stacking
chair.
M
You
know
it
has
the
connotation
that
is
uncomfortable
and
it's
not
you
know
a
pleasant
experience
to
sit
in,
but
some
sort
of
stacking
chair
that
stored
densely
you
know,
so
you
can
get
20
or
some
of
those
even
get
40
on
it
on
a
cart,
so
they
stacked
very
tall.
You
can
roll
them
in
and
out
of
storage,
there
is
storage
planned
in
the
park
wide
area
for
that
certainly
any
sort
of
five
or
four
or
three
Bank
chair
these
gonna
not
store
as
efficiently.
So
it
requires
from
the
more
storage
space.
M
So
we
haven't
gotten.
You
know
it's
very
early
days
to
start
talking
about
specifically
which
chair
might
be
used,
but
certainly
the
the
trending
indications
would
say
to
us
that
to
give
you
the
most
flexibility
in
the
most
efficient
use
of
your
money,
would
we
just
continue
to
think
that,
and
this
is
have
Duncan's
built
with
the
performers?
I
understand
it
continue
to
think
about
stacking
chairs
that
gang
together?
M
That
gives
you
also
the
flexibility
so
that
when
you
have
a
bench
that
one
use,
tables
and
chairs
you
can
use
those
chairs
for
that
and
not
have
to
have
an
inventory
of
stacking
chairs,
and
your
bank
receipts
gives
you
the
flexibility
to
set
that
rope.
Spacing
you
know,
certainly
with
the
3000
seat.
Layout
has
an
X.
You
know
has
a
certain
row
cap
and
that
would
be
the
narrowest
you'd
ever
want
to
get.
M
But
if
you
had
an
event
where
you
only
needed
2,500
or
something
you
could
play
with
row
depth
and
give
everybody
a
little
bit
more
room
in
the
rump.
So
you
know
the
flexible
part
of
the
park
that
comes
into
play
with
you
know,
sort
of
following
that
dam.
So,
barring
you
know,
certainly
what
I
would
think
as
we
go
forward
in
the
design
process
would
be
to
continue
to
study.
M
Those
options
will
continue
to
engage
TV
manufacturers
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
something
that
is
more
quickly,
I'm,
not
sure
not
going
to
be
quicker,
because
it
takes
more
people
to
set
up
those
multi
bank
chairs,
but
continue
to
investigate
that
as
well
as
then,
when
we
get
to
the
point
where
we're
ready
to
talk
about
what
are
the?
What
is
the
physical
chair?
That's
a
conversation
that
will
involve
a
lot
of
people,
some
mock-ups
and
layoffs,
the
chairs
under
slogan
and
sort
of
getting
into
it.
I
M
Absolutely
correct
and
the
way
they
sort
of
graphically
something
there
assumes
that
there
will
be
multiple
internal
miles
and
that
the
road
deaths
chair
of
chair
depth
is
set
up
to
accommodate
my
head.
You
know
if
it's
ten
chairs
in
a
row,
you
know
that
defines
a
minimum.
We
generally,
whether
it's
amphitheater
or
performing
arts
theater
or
multi-purpose
theaters,
don't
ever
want
to
plan
for
less
than
three
foot
spacing
if
you've
been
to
some
of
the
old
vaudeville
houses,
the
Broadway
houses,
who
may
find
as
narrow
as
thirty
inches
or
even
28
inches.
M
H
H
M
Yes,
stacking
chairs
certainly
have
changed
a
lot
something
minimally
as
big
as
this
or
a
little
wider,
probably
would
be,
or
to
have
very
Council
members
would
be
where
I
want
to
see
us
and
mechanisms
which
are
absolutely
required
by
that
hold
the
chairs
together,
so
that,
as
the
fire
marshals
will
tell
you
so
that
you
know
when
the
next
event
happens,
those
tears
don't
interrupt.
The
path
I
think
are
getting.
Much
are
much
more
robust.
Then
you
know.
M
Maybe
what
you
have
you
know
on
your
Cheers,
which
I
don't
know
every
time
that
so
there
there
are
intentional
attachment
points
on
the
stacked
chairs
so
that
they
are,
you
know
not
simply
relying
on
the
recliner
console,
but
yes,
agree
fully.
That
folding
chairs
can
be
a
stacker
community,
comfortable
and
robust.
A
B
A
D
B
B
As
I
said
earlier,
we
have
not
capitalized
them
over
their
useful
life
of
it's,
the
back
of
house,
which
I
didn't
mention
earlier.
They
came
to
their
5.1
billion.
Is
the
estimate
that's
pretty
consistent
with
what
we
saw
back
in
October
when
we
talked
and
then
10
billion
third,
to
cover
the
structural
coverage.
B
Retractable
on
Thursday
I
should
be
able
to
have
capitalized
those
in
and
be
able
to
show
you
what
impact
it
may
have
on
the
general
fund
financial
perspective,
operated
plus
capital.
You
know,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
get
those
as
useful
white
hairs
as
correct
as
possible.
So
you
get
a
good
number.
The
other
issue,
I
would
say,
is
I.
Think
it's
really
important
as
far
as
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
moving
as
fast
as
we
can
things
like
things
like
what
we
were
just
talking
about
with
mr.
B
B
B
B
G
Our
one-on-ones
with
you,
you
did
show
me
some
modifications
to
the
plan
that
I
liked
having
to
do
with
parking,
and
that
kind
of
thing
then
also
entry
pavilion.
So
that's
good
I'd
like
to
get
maybe
some
conversation
on
all
that
going,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we
move
forward
on
this
part
of
the
pervane
part
of
it
as
well.
So.
H
B
B
J
J
A
A
For
example,
I
I
came
here
and
I
still
want
a
retractable
structure
but
I'm
beginning
to
feel
that
that's
not
going
to
be
feasibly
as
possible
or
economically
possible,
but
what
I
do
want
and
I
hope
that
y'all
will
agree
that
what
we
need
is
something
iconic
that
something
stands
out
that
you
know
we
can
be.
You
know
proud
of
as
a
city
whether
it's
used
as
a
park
or
used
for
events,
and
you
know
to
do
that.
A
You
know
it
may
be
just
3,000
and
I'll
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
a
little
larger.
But
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
whole
area
was
designed
not
as
a
big
permanent
out.
You
know
it's
not
designed
to
be
a
st.
Augustine,
amphitheater,
that's
different
type
of
facility,
and
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
because
you
know
our
residents
are
expecting
certain
things
from
us.
B
A
We
need
to
decide
that
we
need
to
decide.
You
know
what
type
of
grouping
we
do
want
or
do
we
want
any
you
know,
maybe
maybe
we'll
decide.
We
don't
need
a
room
yeah.
Maybe
maybe
we
can
decide
that
if
we
do
something
else,
we
don't
need
the
routine
I.
Don't
you
know
talk
to
mr.
Maxwell
and
the
staff
in
between
now
and
then
on
that,
because
that
that's
a
question
that
is
going
to
you
know
it's
gonna
dog
us.
You
know
until
we
have
that
final
conversation.
A
And
then
we
didn't
discuss
the
right
any
today
and
I
know
mr.
Cundiff
had
brought
that
up
a
couple
of
times
but
help
us
no
just
bring
some
clarity
to
that
because
I
know
that
was
one
of
the
points
that
that
you
were
raising
mr.
Maxwell
right.
E
B
My
move
over
here,
you'll
see
this
was
sort
of
this
portion
of
I'll
go
down
and
you'll
see
the
rest
of
it
portion.
This
is
the
stage
here
right
in
this
area,
and
this
is
the
seating
area,
that's
the
rate
for
the
seating
area
down
through
here.
Okay,
now
this
is
a
big
jump.
I
apologize,
yeah
below
here
you
can
see
where
they
actually
showed
pull
back
a
little
bit
so
so
this
is
the
rear
portion
of
the
green,
and
it
is
just
something
that
we
a
retaining
wall.
K
F
E
F
And
rendering
underneath
this
was
very
original,
very
preliminary
stuff
when
we
had
just
a
fan
shop,
so
just
a
stage
along
the
seats
weren't
there
or,
if
designate
an
area
for
certain
policies,
it
was
just
a
wide
open.
Green
with
a
band
saw
at
the
end
we
sloop
the
lawn
from
the
damage.
So
all
the
way
out
to
the
cream
are
the
end
of
the
green
near
the
drop-off.
Plaza
was
a
2%
slope
that
required
a
retaining
wall
at
the
end
to
hold
up
the
law,
approximately
14
and
5
feet.
At
most.
We
have.
B
F
To
how
the
High
Point
Edward
so
that
we
could
reduce
the
retaining
wall
on
that
side
of
the
green,
so
we
can
play
with
that
high
point
design
process.
The
movement
in
the
lawn
is
only
going
to
be
a
foot
or
two
in
the
long
area
itself
and
that
the
seating
area
we're
not
going
to
destruct
use
and
that
area
people
feel
I
guess
he
won't
be
standing
with
more
casual
event
that
takes
place
on
that.
You
know,
sadly,
so.
D
F
As
you
move
forward
with
the
design
process,
we
can
start
to
manipulate
some
of
the
slopes
on
the
green.
Now
the
slope
Center
can
see
here
the
rate
that
were
referring
to
those
are
set
for
visual
people
being
able
to
see
older
people
BD
a
view
or
a
tapas
and
people,
and
that
is
critical
sure
shook
has
set
those
because
he
has
definite
ears.
F
H
F
H
D
H
F
Would
adjust
they
would
adjust?
Yes,
so
would
essentially
be
higher.
So
if
you
are,
you
will
be
increasing
the
percent,
because
you
want
to
make
sure
you're
providing
enough
area.
It's
a
lon,
that's
one
directed
towards
the
stage
I've
directed
away
same
thing
with
the
scene
here,
but
again
it's
going
to
get
a
little
bit
wider
as
far
as
depth
into
the
lawn.
H
F
M
Why
we're
saying
no
is:
if
we
increase
the
see
count,
we
would
not
want
to
lower
the
front
flat
sections
further.
We
compensate
for
the
extra
we
just
work
it
out
in
all
the
way
before
summer's.
You
know,
we
don't
want
to
get
the
stage
so
tall
that
you're
your
first
few
rows
are
looking
up
more
than.
A
G
G
F
F
A
F
A
A
But
my
concern
is
after
when
we're
not
having
that's
their
what's
the
potential
risk
to
the
city
for
injuries,
because
we
hear
all
the
time-
or
you
know
all
the
time
about
some
of
the
ballplayers
not
really
likely
to
play
on
artificial
turf
compared
to
to
grass
and
I.
Don't
it?
Is
that
an
issue
that
we
need
so.
F
A
I
If
we're
gonna
have
some
sort
of
track
in
the
ground
there
and
then
we're
gonna,
have
the
chairs
go
on
the
rack
on
the
tracking
and
slide
into
position
for
use
when
you're,
not
that
tracking
has
to
be
basically
imagine
even
some
of
the
to
protrude
above
ground
and
when
you
do
that,
that's
gonna
be
a
metal
track
for
treating
above
ground
level.
Somebody
tripping.
H
H
Of
ourselves
is,
is
design
face,
stop
yes,
but
I'm
sure
there
would
be
that
one
of
the
things
we
saw
was
the
artificial
turf
which
I'm
and
I
see
the
quality
of
artificial
turf.
You've
used
it,
the
Long
Center,
that's
really
good
stuff,
and
it's
rubberized,
and
it's
soft,
so
I
guess
I'm
thinking
that
might
be
the
latest
and
greatest.
But
what
I
saw
and
one
of
the
things
that
mr.
weather
showed
us
one
of
the
amphitheaters.
H
It
had
the
artificial
turf
roll,
but
maybe
it
was
real
grass
on
that
particular
one
and
the
walkways
were
like
the
rubberized
cement.
So
that
not
only
does
it
delineate
it's
it's
re
face,
but
then
you
have
all
this
grass
area
where
all
the
other
activities
take
place
and
it
also
delineate
more
precisely
where
the
chairs
get
and
hugging
is
set
up,
which
is
easier
for
anybody.
That's
having
to
set
up
or
thoughts
of
chairs.
So.
B
We'd
like
to
we'd
like
some
direction
on
those
items
that
I
asked
that
I
mentioned
before,
which
I
will
run
back
through
here.
B
B
This
is
gone
a
little
small
on
the
air.
Let
me
zoom
in
here
a
little
bit
also,
you
know
the
rake.
We
just
talked
about
a
little
bit
about
the
rake,
making
sure
that
you
know
in
general.
You
know
you're
not
looking
at
the
one
that
has
the
ten-foot
retaining
wall,
which
I'm
fairly
certain
you
are
not
and
something
more
consistent.
E
E
Now
you
know
we
we
try
to
enter
perfection
sometimes,
unless
you
were
talking
about
questions,
keep
aversion.
What
I
would
like
to
know
is
that
between
now
my
thirsty,
if
it
appears
that
we
just
don't-
you
ought
to
just
not
rain
or
a
thirsty
decision,
then
I
think
we
should
focus
on
how
best
to
use
that
time.
If
focus
on
those
areas
where
you're,
where
you
still
seem
to
be
struck,
you
know
decision
and
one
way
we
will
know
that
is
just
to
check
with
each
of
you
between
now
and
Wednesday.
G
E
E
It's
so
in
that
context,
I
mean
I,
think
it
was
a
Conservancy.
The
lease
in
the
plan
was
to
see
this
managing
the
whole
area
right,
so
he's
not
talking
about
managing
the
whole
area.
His
Advisory
Committee
was
primarily
focused
on
the
entertainment
venue.
It
doesn't
mean
that
that
committee
couldn't
do
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
that.
So
that's
why
I
think
we'll
fold
that
into
our
conversation
around
that,
in
terms
just.
G
G
Cushman
Park
is
that
this
should
be
a
park
that
you
used
all
the
time,
not
just
for
performances,
but
there
should
be
something
going
on
all
the
time
in
the
park
and
that's
why
we're
an
underused
park
until
we
have
performances
and
then
it's
overuse
now
so
I'd
like
to
see
you
know
all
aspects
of
the
park
being
talked
about
and
what
we
can
do
to
get
more
people
to
enjoy.
It.
B
There,
just
so
everyone
understands
both
Duncan
and
Chris
will
not
be
in
attendance
on
Thursday.
That
doesn't
mean
you
can't
ask
them
any
questions.
We
can
work
together
and
if
you
have
any
that
come
up
that
we
need
to
talk
to
either
of
them
about
we'll
make
sure
that
we
we
get
the
answers
to
those
questions,
and
we
do
have
some
conversation.
It
just
won't
be
at
the
meeting
here
and
we'll
have
to
go
to
work
through
it
that
way,
but
the
other
folks
from
Stantec
will
be
here
as
well.
Our
staff.
H
Not
in
the
pro
forma,
which
was
not,
it
did
good,
which
was
not
a
performer
which
questioned
our
covenant
brought
up
was
the
naming
rights.
Do
we
have
data
information?
What
kind
of
revenue
that
generated
to
do
that?
For
instance,
we
talked
about
utilities,
maybe
Duke
Energy's
pace
for
the
roof
and
put
solar
panels
up
there,
which
ultimately
eventually
I
mean.
Is
that
ever
have
you
ever
looked
into
something
like
so.
C
C
You
know
if
it's
a
dealer
where
somebody
writes
a
check
for
X
million
dollars,
it
makes
more
sense
to
apply
that
to
the
capital
budget,
or
sometimes
it's
more
like,
like
a
five
year,
license
agreement
where
our
company
pays
an
annual
fee
to
put
their
name,
something
in
which
case
it's
more
appropriate
to
put
that
in
in
the
offering.
But
we
have
work
to
do
to
carry
that.