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A
Good
morning,
everyone
we
will
call
the
february
14
2022
community
redevelopment
agency
meeting
to
order
hope
everybody
enjoyed
the
super
bowl
and
is
awake
and
ready
to
go
this
morning,
mr
kohler
is
going
to
be
sitting
in
for
mr
margolis
for
the
cra
and
the
work
session.
B
A
It's
a
little
little
creepy
vice
mayor.
Okay!
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
speak
to
any
item?
That's.
D
D
This
is
a
surface
parking
lot
that
the
cra
acquired
through
exchange
a
couple
years
ago,
and
this
parking
lot
serves
apex,
the
nolan,
the
brewery,
apartments
and
co-working
space
coming
in
here.
Until
this
south
washington
apartments
is
built
with
shared
parking.
But
what
you're
going
to
hear
about
today
will
involve
one
two
three
sites
so
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
context.
There.
A
Well,
I
think
we
all
have
the
opportunity
to
go
and
take
a
tour.
It
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
wonderful
and,
as
you
said,
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
going
to
take
a
year,
but
certainly
is
going
to
be
a
nice
addition,
any
questions
councilmember
back
then
I.
E
Just
had
a
comment,
I
did
the
tour
last
week
too,
and
it
was
fascinating.
It
was
it
looks
exciting.
It
reminds
me
of
the
roost,
that's
in
washington,
dc
across
from
where
my
son
and
daughter-in-law
live.
E
So
that's
that's
one
thing
that
I
hope
you
know
they
follow
through
with
and
they
made
note
of,
but
it
just
struck
me
that
that
industrial
look
inside
is
going
to
be
great,
but
it
some
kind
of
ramp
is
needed
for
for
people
for
accessibility,
and
then
they
had
said
they're,
hoping
hope
that
it
would
open
in
like
june
or
july,
which
would
be
exciting.
Is
there
any
way
we
can
expedite
permitting
and
inspections
as
they
move
along
and
move
these
guys
to
the
top,
and
so
they
received
their
permit.
D
D
I'm
in
the
loan
to
grant
agreement
with
949
cleveland
street
llc
for
the
property
at
1011
cleveland
street,
to
extend
the
agreement
to
march
1st
2023
for
building
improvements
to
implement
the
cra
food
and
drink
grant
program
and
authorize
appropriate
officials
to
execute
same
so.
This
is
the
second
space.
A
E
D
Approve
the
second
amendment
to
agreement
for
development
and
purchase
and
sale
of
property
between
the
community
redevelopment
agency,
the
city
of
clearwater
and
blue
pierce
llc,
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
same
this
is
the
former
fire
station
45
site,
that's
being
redeveloped
into
81
units
of
mixed
income,
affordable
housing,
so
between
30
and
80
ami
the
applicant.
If
you
remember,
came
back
a
couple
months
ago,
they've
had
about
five
million
dollars
in
increased
construction
costs
due
to
the
pandemic.
D
The
city
provided
about
half
of
that
amount
through
their
federal
relief
housing
funds,
and
then
they
received
their
county
approval
for
additional
penny
money-
two
million
dollars
last
week
so
now
that
they
have
secured
that
additional
financing
they
are
seeking
to
extend
the
grant
agreement.
We
require
them
to
get
building
permits
prior
to
closing,
to
make
sure
the
property
can
be
actually
constructed.
D
So
they
have
not
been
able
to
do
that.
Yet
they
paused
that
process.
They
got
their
zoning
approval,
but
they
did
not
move
forward
with
getting
the
building
permits
until
they
had
secured
additional
funds.
So
we
are
looking
to
extend
closing
to
december
1st
of
this
year
and
all
the
other
subsequent
dates
for
construction.
A
E
So
I
just
I
wanted
just
a
better
understanding
of
why
that
amended
timeline
is
so
far
out.
I
mean,
is
it?
Is
it
about
permitting
and
are
there
ways
we
can
speed
it
up?
You
know.
D
I'm
very
sorry,
but
I
do
not
have
the
answers
about
permitting
for
you,
okay,
what
I,
what
I
do
know
is
that
we
are
short
staffed
in
the
planning
department,
development
review
department
at
this
moment,
so
they
are-
and
we
have
extraordinarily
high
demand,
which
is
great,
that
we
have
that
demand,
but
it
takes
again.
This
is
more
time
than
it
probably
needs,
but
I
really
want
to
stop
bringing
this
project
back
again
and
again,
so
we're
being
pretty
generous
and
that
at
that
extension,
okay.
E
D
There
are
two
source
of
covid
recovery
act:
funds
that
you'll
hear
of
the
arpa
money
right,
which
we
have
we're
working
on
a
plan.
We
haven't
come
back
to
present
that
yet
as
the
city
with
how
to
spend
that
23
million
about
that,
it
is
and
then
there's
a
separate
bucket
of
cobid
relief
funds
that
the
housing
department
is
administering
through
hud
come
from
hud,
so
that
money
is
coming
from
home
money,
which
is
also
federal
housing
and
urban
development
funds
and
then
the
federal
relief.
D
So
it's
a
different
pocket
of
arpa
money
that
has
to
be
used
for
affordable
housing.
So
those
are
no
interest
loans
over
a
long
period
of
time.
Chuck
lane
would
know,
I
don't
know
if
it's
20
or
30
or
40
years,
but
it
is
all
federal
money
that
is
being
used
to
subsidize
the
project.
Okay,.
E
D
E
Okay
and
then,
finally,
just
as
a
refresher
can
blue
sky
share
with
us,
the
the
energy
efficiencies
that
they're
incorporating
into
that
development
that
they
plan
to
you
know
just
want
to
know
solar
panels,
hybrid
hot
water,
heaters,
infrastructure
for
multiple
ev
charging
stations,
garden
area
covered
bike
area.
Things
like
that.
You.
E
D
Sure
I'll
invite
mr
wilson
up
to
make
that
list.
One
thing
I
do
think
along
that
educational
line
is,
if
you
look
at
the
call
for
the
funding
notices
for
all
this
federal
money,
they
require
all
of
those
things.
So
it's
in
the
federal
legislation
that,
if
you're
building
one
of
these
projects,
you
have
to
meet
energy
star
standards,
you
have
to
essentially
do
green
building,
it's
federal
policy.
H
Sure,
thank
you
very
much,
sean
wilson,
president
of
blue
sky
communities.
We
have
made
several
commitments
for
energy,
efficient
features
and
achieving
energy
efficient
ratings
by
one
of
the
by
one
of
the
several
different
rating
services.
As
to
some
of
the
specific
items
that
you
mentioned
solar
panels,
we
always
try
to
try
to
incorporate
solar
panels,
but
it's
usually
something
that
we
do
as
a
change
order,
because
it's
it's
it's
not
it's
not
something
that
that
is
often
required.
A
Thanks
other
questions,
I
think
we
also
need
to
be
careful
about
talking
about
expediting
certain
projects
through
our
planning
department
versus
others.
All
you're
doing
is
pushing
somebody
out
else
out
of
the
queue,
if
we're
doing
that.
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
cautious
about
that
language.
A
E
D
I
think
with
downtown
zoning,
we
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
right
now.
I
envision
as
this
a
commercial
redevelopment
project
right
so
not
not
a
park.
You
know
not
a
large
art
sculpture.
This
is
going
to.
D
For
businesses,
potentially
housing,
if
mixed
use
can
can
work
there,
certainly
by
having
the
larger
site
I'm
having
this
all
combined,
it
gives
us
more
options.
D
A
Well,
this
certainly
has
been
a
difficult
property
as
far
as
calls
for
the
chief
over
the
years,
so
it
would
be
nice
very
much
like
the
econowin
and
royal
palm
that
we
purchased
to
rid
ourselves
of
this
nuisance.
In
my
opinion,
yes,
so
definitely
going
to
support
it.
Anyone
want
to
speak
to
item
4.5.
D
A
proven
amendment
to
the
agreement
for
the
sale
and
development
of
property
located
at
1250,
cleveland
street
and
adjacent
properties
to
archway
partners
llc
to
extend
the
project
schedule
by
one
year
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
same
so
as
you'll
recall
in
august.
I
can't
believe
it
was
august
of
last
year
we
awarded
the
bid
for
this
property
and
the
developers
from
archway
are
here.
They
were
unsuccessful
in
sale,
funding,
which
is
commonly
referred
to
as
the
four
percent.
There's
the
nine
percent
tax
credit.
Then
there's
a
four
percent
tax
credit.
D
These
programs
are
becoming
hyper
competitive.
They
were
already
competitive
and
they're
becoming
even
more
competitive.
So
we
still
believe
that
if
we
give
them
another
year
that
we
can
increase
the
density
on
this
project,
we're
going
to
look
for
some
pennies
for
pinellas
funds.
We
might
come
back
and
ask
for
a
little
more
city
or
cra
money
to
be
thrown
in
to
make
it
more
competitive,
but
we
have
to.
We
need
to
go
through
the
pro
forma.
D
We
haven't
done
that
yet
a
new
one,
but
what
we're
looking
for
today
is
just
to
extend
this
agreement
by
one
year
so
that
we
can
look
at
those
additional
funding
options.
E
Okay,
so
I
have
a
couple
things
about
this
one.
First
of
all,
I
love
you
know
this
development
and
the
area
and
and
how
archway
had
it
presented
to
us
last
year.
So
I
have
a
couple
questions
about
supporting
this
from
the
expansion
of
81
units
to
100
is
great
to
have
more
of
those
housing
units.
I
wondered
if
we
do
that,
what
the
impact
might
be.
Where
are
those
additional
units
going
to
go?
E
E
You
know.
They've
stated
that
they're
hoping
to
get
this
the
sale
money,
so
the
state
apartment
incentive
loan
program,
which
you
said,
provides
low
interest,
loans
on
a
competitive
and
you've
said
hyper
competitive
basis
to
affordable
housing
developers
each
year,
and
this
money
often
serves
to
bridge
the
gap
between
the
development's
primary
financing
and
the
total
cost
of
the
development
well
in
the
affordable
and
workforce
housing
conference.
I
attended
this
weekend.
E
Otherwise
it
comes
on
our
back
here
in
the
city,
and
this
is
not
right
and
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
make
calls
and
and
get
our
legislators
to
fund,
affordable
housing
incentives
in
this
state
we're
at
a
crisis,
especially
this
region,
and
and
so
to
see
that
as
part
of
the
this
is
how
we
can
make
things
work.
It's
not
going
to
work
because
that
money's,
not
there
right
now
today,
you
know
so
I
found
that
pretty
you
know
it's
been
it's
been.
It
was
a
frustrating
weekend
to
learn
about.
K
K
One
potentially
positive
component
is
that,
instead
of
putting
money
towards
sale,
the
house,
I
believe,
shifted
a
lot
of
the
money
towards
the
ship
program,
which
does
in
fact
go
to
local
governments
to
specifically
for
affordable
housing.
So,
albeit
not
what
we're
looking
for
for
this
particular
project,
they
are
not
potentially
taking
away
all
the
funds
for
affordable
housing,
and
I
think
it
does
have
a
long
way
to
go.
K
The
the
governor
recommended
a
substantial
commitment
for
the
sale
program
as
long
as
well
as
the
senate,
so
but
we're
committed
to
making
the
development
happen,
regardless
of
if
we
are
able
to
obtain
the
sale
funds,
there's
a
wide
variety
of
programs
that
are
out
there,
some
that
are
still
being
put
together
by
florida,
housing
finance
corporation.
K
You
know,
as
as
amanda
knows,
the
the
four
percent
tax
credit
program
when
you
put
that,
together
with
the
tax-exempt
bonds
in
in
debt
that
will
go
on
the
property,
there's
a
gap
that
exists
and
what
our
job
is
to
do
is
to
fill
that
gap
right,
whether
it's
sale,
funding,
ship
funding,
penny
funding
or
funding
from
from
the
city
of
clearwater
we're
going
to
explore
every
avenue
to
number
one
ensure
that
we
get
the
project
built,
but
how
how
that
puzzle
works
together,
we're
going
to
work
collectively
with
amanda
and
your
staff
to
to
you
know
piece
that
together
we
don't
have
that
answer
right
this
very
moment.
K
What
we're
hoping
to
get
approved
today
is
the
extension
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
expand
the
resources
in
time
to
upsell
it
from
the
81
to
100
units
that
gives
us
significantly
more.
You
know
economies
of
scale,
so
it's
a
better
operating
project.
The
construction,
you
know,
becomes
much
more
efficient
when
you
have
higher
density,
and
this
was
kind
of
always
the
plan
when
we
got
the
development
awarded
to
us
back
in
august.
There
just
wasn't
enough
time
from
when
we,
you
know,
received
the
final
award
in
the
contract
to
win.
K
The
applications
were
due
last
year.
That
process
takes
three
to
four
months
to
go
through
the
level
one
fld
bonus
density
program
and
so
we're.
You
know
as
soon
as
we
get
this
approved
here
today.
We're
gonna
release
our
engineers
to
do
all
that.
We've
already
done
a
good
amount
of
the
due
diligence
and
investigative
work
to
make
sure
the
site
does
work
for
what
we're
proposing
here
and
it
does,
and
we
just
got
to
start
the
process
to
go
through
the
hurdles
to
to
get
the
additional
density.
K
Are
you
planning
on
going
up?
Yes
and
as
well?
It's
going
to
get
too
much
so
we'll
just
in
the
site
plan
that
we
provided
already
contemplated
100
units.
So
you
know
what
what
was
already
seen
there
and
it
was
outlined
in
the
in
the
proposal,
but
what
you
all
have
already
seen
there
you
know,
does
show
for
100
units
great.
D
306
south
washington,
this
site
here
and
I've,
invited
today
peter
leach
with
southport
our
developer
and
jacqueline
rivera
with
the
clearwater
housing
authority.
So
I'm
just
going
to
open
up
a
little
bit
about
where
we
are
and
then
ask
the
servera
to
come
up
and
share
a
little
bit
about
how
she
has
entered
into
this
project.
D
I
was
hoping
that
we
would
be
voting
today
on
two
items,
but,
as
you
know,
when
you
have
five
parties
involved
things,
things
can
take
a
little
more
time
to
get
everybody
comfortable,
but
we
will
be
ready
in
march,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
had
plenty
of
time
to
review
the
final
draft
in
our
local
and
development
agreement
and
we
are
in
constant
conversation
with
county's
economic
development
and
housing
staff
with
their
assistant.
County
attorneys
is
removing
these
two
documents
along.
D
So
what
the
structure
of
the
deal
that
we'll
be
looking
at
the
project
will
be
the
same
171
apartment
units
with
a
one
and
a
half
story,
parking
garage
with
40
public
parking
spaces,
the
idea
being
that
this
parking
will
now
come
into
this
site.
And
then
this
will
be
available
for
redevelopment
in
nine
years
from
now
we'll
be
here
before
we
know
so,
the
the
project
itself
is
still
the
same,
but
then
what
we
would
look
at
is
pinellas
county
land.
D
D
So
southport
will
come
in
they'll,
construct
right,
they'll
get
all
the
design
finish
the
construction
plans
and
then
the
housing
authority
will
own
and
operate
it
for
all
all
the
years
to
come.
Normally,
the
housing
authority
is
100
tax
exempt.
In
this
case,
we
have
negotiated
a
revenue
sharing
agreement
which
would
be
400
per
unit,
and
let's
see
the
numbers
here.
D
Hold
on
I'm
not
finding
my
total
I'll
come
back
to
you
on
that,
but
normally,
and
what
southport
estimated
is
that
they
would
have
to
pay
1200
per
unit
because
under
state
law,
if
you're
capped
at
60
ami,
you
basically
get
half
off
on
your
property
taxes,
so
that
would
have
been
a
little
over
two
hundred
five
thousand
dollars
annually.
Well,
because
they're
providing
workforce
housing
which
we
directly
need,
anytime,
you
get
to
80
percent
and
up.
D
You
have
to
pay
the
full
full
tax
bill,
which
is
2
388
per
unit
or
408
000
a
little
over
annually.
So
with
that
full
tax
payment,
this
project
is
not
financially
sustainable
over
the
long
term,
so
we
started
looking
for
alternatives
to
bring
it
to
life.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
find
my
full
number
of
the
payment
and
I'll
invite
up
jacqueline
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
the
housing
authority
and
why
they're
interested
in
being
a
partner
in
this.
L
Good
morning,
thank
you
amanda,
good
morning
we
were
brought
into
this
project.
I
think
chuck
and
amanda
gave
us
a
call
and
told
us
what
the
scenario
was
because
of
who
we
are.
We
were
created
by
state
statute,
chapter
421.
L
L
Twenty
percent
set
aside
for
low
income
we've
done
that
on
our
own
by
issuing
bonds,
because
we
are
allowed
to
issue
debt
and
we've
we've
been
successful
at
that
type
of
program
for
ourselves
where
we
self-subsidize,
and
so
this
particular
project
fits
into
that.
For
us
except
the
whole
thing
is
workforce
housing.
Usually
we
just
do
a
percentage
and
we
spread
it
around
the
the
city
so
we're
not
creating
an
island.
However,
this
is
workforce
housing.
It's
kind
of
right
up
our
alley.
L
We
would
have
to
issue
the
bonds
to
debt
in
order
to
make
this
happen
because,
as
far
along
as
this
project
has
gone,
we'd
like
to
in
the
interest
of
time
is
to
keep
the
developer
as
a
construction
manager,
basically
to
see
through
oversee
the
development.
We
would
hire
the
contractors
ourselves
and
we
would
hire
southport
for
us.
It's
kind
of
a
no-brainer,
it's
workforce,
housing,
it's
what
we
do.
We
manage
our
properties
through
an
instrumentality
called
the
clearwater
housing
development
corporation
we've
been
doing
this.
L
I've
been
at
it
over
25
years
at
clearwater,
we've
been
successful.
Our
investors
are
always
happy
with
us.
Thank
goodness,
we
make
our
debt
service
coverage
ratio,
they
get
the
return
on
their
money,
and
so
we've
been
able
to
do
that.
So
right
now
we're
in
talks
and
we're
working
on
development
agreement
and
documents
with
our
legal
counsel
back
and
forth.
My
board
has
discussed
it
as
well.
We
are
still
in
that
process
with
everything
that's
going
on,
and
so
basically
we're
here
to
try
and
see
if
we
can
make
it
work.
L
We
have
a
consensus
to
continue
to
see
what
these
numbers
are
going
to
look
like,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
good
intentions
are
great.
But
if
our
numbers
don't
work,
it
doesn't
work
if
the
numbers
could
work.
This
could
fit
in
our
portfolio.
Well,
we've
agreed
on
that
much,
but
we
still
need
to
finish
because
numbers
keep
moving
up
and
up
and
up
in
this
scenario,
trying
to
keep
something
affordable.
L
Well,
we're
getting
our
numbers
in
march.
Definitely.
L
Okay
and
our
board
meets
first
week
in
april,
so
obviously,
at
that
point,
if
I
can
attain,
if
they
will,
we
will
need
to
give
a
resolution,
but
right
now
they
are
they're
all
layers
on
the
research
part
at
the
moment.
C
The
good
news
about
this
is
that
I
think
that
most
of
you
approve
or
recognize
how
good
your
housing
authority
is.
That's
one
of
one
of
the
best
in
the
state
and
particularly
for
doing
development
work.
I
think
that
this
project
and
its
potential
and
what
we're
all
after
fits
their
ability-handed
glove.
C
I
I
do
think
that,
with
amanda's
help
and
with
jackie's
help
that
we're
fairly
far
along
in
in,
I
think,
jackie-
and
I
have
our
agreements
done
and
settled
and
going
to
be
presenting
to
your
board
shortly,
and
I
think
that
amanda's
managed
to
get
some
favorable
response
from
the
county
and
they're
part
of
it
and
were
invited
us
to
to
submit
a
new
application
that
jackie
and
I
are
working
on
now
and
that's
the
first
favorable
thing
we've
heard
from
them.
After
they
went
through
all
of
the
people.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir
all
right.
Well,
we
will
look
forward
to
discussing
this
further.
Hopefully,
in
the
april
time
frame,
4.8.
D
And
this
is
just
the
second
part
of
it,
which
would
be
the
interlocal
and
I've
outlined
there
in
the
staff
report
bullet
points
about
just
the
main
tenants
of
it.
So
the
revenue
sharing
would
be
a
little
over
68
000
a
year
that
now
all
of
the
funding
will
95
of
that
funding
will
come
to
the
cra
for
the
next
12
years,
but
after
that
period
of
time
it
will
be
split
between
the
city
and
the
county.
D
I
think,
what's
important
to
note
is
that
any
revenues
this
project
generates
above
and
beyond
all
the
costs
that
it
has
to
cover
it's
going
to
the
housing
authority
and
it
has
to
be
spent
within
the
mission
of
the
housing
authority.
So
this
isn't
a
random
non-profit
right.
It's
not
a
for-profit
and
you
all
appoint.
I
believe
the
housing
authority
board
is
that
correct.
D
N
D
Sorry,
jim
cleveland
street
closure-
I
let
you
know
that
we
had
our
meeting
with
the
400
500
block
property
owners
and
merchants
last
friday.
That
meeting
went
extremely
well
and
we
will
be
getting
back
to
them
via
email
and
at
another
meeting
on
april.
8Th
in
terms
of
what
enhancements
can
happen
on
cleveland
street,
but
I
I
would
not
be
a
good
public
administrator.
If
I
did
not
give
you
a
heads
up
that
this
will
continue
to
be
an
evolving
conversation.
There's
trade-offs
south
side
being
closed,
north
side
being
open.
D
You
know
we
let
the
businesses
know
you
cannot
base
your
business
model
on
having
access
to
the
street.
We
still
have
to
provide
services
on
the
street,
so
we
just
wanted
to
be
very
clear
about
that
that
you
all
are
very
supportive
of
the
indefinite
closure,
but
you
shouldn't,
you
know,
go
to
sleep
at
night,
saying
I'm
going
to
put
my
table
in
a
street
every
single
day
for
the
downtown
coordination
committee.
D
After
talking
with
all
parties
involved,
the
downtown
development
board
has
decided
that
they'll
continue
to
hear
funding
requests
and
invite
people
to
come
to
their
meetings.
The
cra
is
going
to
host
quarterly
coordination
meetings
for
anyone
and
everyone
groups
residents,
otherwise
that
want
to
coordinate
on
activities
happening
in
downtown.
D
D
I
also
met
with
the
ceo
of
the
downtown
saint
pete
partnership
last
week,
jason
mathis,
and
he
was
working
in
salt
lake
city
prior
to
coming
here
for
10
years,
so
he
has
offered
to
you
know
meet
formally
and
formally
with
this
group.
If
we
want
to
have
conversations
about,
how
do
you
work
with
large
institutions
in
downtown
last
thing?
Is
the
north
greenwood
cra
planning
meeting
will
be
happening
on
february
24th
and
there
is
some
confusion.
I
was
on
the
kelly
kelly
show
and
people
thought
it's
already
been
created.
D
B
I'm
personally
the
more
I
look
at
it,
the
more
I
drive
by
there
and
absolutely
nothing
has
happened
to
this
point.
It's
time
I
would
love
to
see
us
take
that
money
back,
especially
one
of
the
agenda
items
here
today.
1351,
if
we're
gonna,
buy
the
idle
spur,
make
a
better
piece
of
property
and
have
someone
you
know
willing
to
come
in
with
a
commercial
operation.
B
I
think
that
would
be
money
much
better
spent
on
a
development.
An
opportunity
like
that
18
apartment
units
is
not
moving
the
needle
in
my
book
and
the
fact
that
the
the
lack
of
progress
that
pro
that
property
is
made
makes
me
even
more
galvanized
in
that
feeling.
So
that's
personal
opinion,
but
I
think
we
we
could
better
spend
that
money
than
on
that
property
in
18
units
period.
D
A
But
we
haven't,
I
mean
I've,
heard
complaints
from
them,
saying
that
they
have
had
delays
in
our
planning
department,
which
I've
been
told,
are
not
accurate,
and
that
there's
also
an
issue
with
the
cross
parking
agreement
with
walgreens
are
those
still
the
case
to
your
knowledge.
D
It
is
true
that
they've
had
difficulty
with
the
access
agreement
with
walgreens,
which
is
very
typical,
anytime
you're,
dealing
with
a
national
chain
realtor
trying
to
find
the
right
person
who
has
the
authority
to
sign
the
piece
of
paper,
and
that's
true,
I
in
my
opinion,
based
on
the
records
with
planning
and
development
department,
is
it
hasn't?
I
don't
know
that
the
project's
been
a
priority
right.
There
have
been
coveted
delays,
certainly
right,
finding
and
retaining
your
architect.
D
They
had
to
go
through
two
contractors
for
demolition
before
one
finally
stuck,
but
they
have
had
two
years
so
also
to
not
have
a
building
permit
after
almost
two
years.
I
think
we
have
to
you
know,
question
so,
not
that
you
know.
I
want
you
to
hear
my
my
pros
and
cons
thinking
out
loud
up
here,
but
I
will
say
it's
a
highly
visible
corner.
D
We
certainly
have
the
funding
we
would
like
to
see
it
improved.
I
also
believe
that
they
have
the
funds
to
do
a
project,
maybe
not
that
project,
but
this
was
an
incentive
grant.
So
if
you
remember,
they
showed
us
the
plan
that
they
would
do
without
the
incentive
was
commercial
on
the
bottom
one
floor
of
residential,
on
top
with
the
incentive
allowed
them
to
add
an
extra
floor
of
residential.
So
this
is
it
it's
an
incentive.
A
F
Member
albrecht
well
you've
answered
my
question.
That
was
my
concern.
You
know
very
visible
corner
seen
it
all
the
time
nothing
happening,
but
I
think
my
questions
have
been
answered.
E
That
was
one
of
my
list
of
questions
too.
So
I'm
glad
that
was
answered.
I
had
some
questions.
Can
you
give
us
any
updates
on
you
know?
I
think
one
of
our
last
meetings.
There
were
11
new
businesses
like
axe,
throwing
the
dueling
pianos.
E
Some
of
those
can
you
tell
us,
give
us
an
update
on
those
what's
going
on
with
some
of
the
other
properties
downtown
like
the
old
telephone
building
that
dunkin
donuts
building
I'm
seeing
some
activity
going
on
there.
So
those
two
things
and
then
the
last
thing
I
had
was
I'd
really
like
to
know
what
we
can
do
about
the
properties
that
are
on
north
fort
harrison
that
are
across
from
the
church
of
scientology's
way
to
happiness
and
those
buildings.
E
So
I
looked
them
up
and
they're
like
26
or
28
north
fort
harrison,
40
north
fort
harrison.
These
storefronts
are
empty
they're
full
of
trash
literally
trash
the
storefronts,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
know
what
tools
do
we
have
available
to
get
owners
to
improve
the
appearance
of
those
things
you
know?
Is
there
code
violations?
I
mean
it's
just
horrific.
It's
been
horrific
and
it
falls
within
the
cra
want
to
know
what
we
could
do
so
I'll.
O
So
it
is
something
that
kind
of
we're
working,
but
in
terms
of
the
cleanup,
that
is
definitely
something
that
we've
been
focusing
on,
we'll
be
announcing
in
the
next
couple
of
days
of
kind
of
the
the
work
that's
going
to
commence
in
the
telephone
building
and
some
of
the
other
buildings
in
the
in
the
500
block,
400
and
500
block.
G
For
the
the
myrtle
and
court
property,
I
was
opposed
to
that
from
the
very
beginning
because
it
didn't
economically
make
sense
for
a
half
a
million
dollars
for
that
small
number
of
apartments.
But
two
years
ago
the
big
sticking
point
also
was
we
can't
get
walgreens
to
approve,
sharing
the
parking
lot
and
two
years
later,
we're
no
closer.
So
I
sure
hope
we're
able
to
you
know,
pull
that
money
back.
G
O
For
that
it's
it's
part
of
the
redevelopment
effort
that
I
just
mentioned,
that
there
is
a
movement
to
redevelop
multiple
buildings
in
the
400
and
500
block,
which
we'll
talk
further
about
the
next
couple
of
days.
Okay,.
G
E
Any
update
on
those
businesses-
you
know
like
that.
I.
D
O
I
mean
I
I
I
could
just
say
that
I've
spoken
with
the
the
owners
of
the
dual
pianos
and
we're
trying
to
help
them
through
the
process.
O
There's
there's
need
for
additional
information
from
them
in
order
to
get
them
to
the
point
of
being
able
to
open
and
have
a
seat
of
some.
E
Okay
and
then
I
also
would
you
know
wonder
what
we
can
is
there
a
way
we
can
keep
station
square
park
open
from
like
nine
in
the
morning,
till
nine
at
night
or
nine
to
11
and
and
allow
more
activity
and
people
to
sit
out
there
and
have
lunch
next
to
the
fountain
and
just
keep
that
open.
I
think
that
would
do
something
to.
O
You
know
the
there
are
a
lot
of
different
elements
in
terms
of
bringing
more
events
back
and
opening
that
and
many
other
things
so
we're
putting
together
a
real
plan
to
kind
of
the
next
phase.
If
you
will
of
reopening
and
kind
of
getting
out
of
what
we've
been
through.
E
So
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
activity
when
it
was
open
over
the
holidays.
During
the
day
the
weekdays
people
were
out
there,
and
you
know
it
wasn't
a
big
congregation
of
homeless
taking
over
it
was.
I
think
I
think
it
sends
a
really
good
message
when
that
park
is
unlocked
and
open
for
people
who
work
downtown
to
use,
as
well
as
tourists
who
come
to
our
downtown
to
come
to
see
clyde
butcher,
and
then
they
want
to
walk
down.
E
D
A
Anything
else
all
right.
We
will
adjourn
the
cra
and
we're
going
to
take
a
15
minute
break
until
we
can
come
back
and
start
pension
trustees.
A
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A
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Q
A
F
N
A
S
S
Request
for
proposal,
1520
was
issued
to
receive
proposals
from
companies
that
could
achieve
energy
savings
through
data
informed
behavior-based
changes
to
maximize
building
efficiency
while
maintaining
fiscal
responsibility.
A
staff
committee
reviewed
proposals
received
from
three
interested
companies
and
synergistic
was
ranked
highest
in
its
ability
to
meet
the
city's
requirements.
S
Another
option
synergistic
offers,
their
larger
clients
is
a
fixed
fee
rate
in
which
the
city
would
pay
a
fixed
amount
each
month
and
keep
a
hundred
percent
of
the
additional
savings
experienced
above
this
fixed
fee
amount
staff
is
recommending.
Council
approve
an
agreement
with
synergistic,
which
includes
this
fixed
fee
structure.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
and
we
also
have
steve
jones
from
synergistic
here
to
assist
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
miss
boyle,
I'm
glad
we
continued
this
because
I
think
this
is
a
better
pricing
structure.
It's
going
to
save
us
if
they
meet
all
of
the
assumed
savings.
Another
1.1
million
dollars-
and
I
know
I
watched
one
of
the
forums
and
some
of
the
candidates
were
misinformed-
that
we
weren't
going
to
follow
through.
This
was
just
to
continue
to
get
more
information,
but
I
will
support
it
under
these
conditions,
because
I
think
we
save
even
more
money,
so
questions
council.
Member
back
then.
E
Yeah,
so
I
have
some
questions
about
what's
up
and
this
is
more
for
the
synergistics
person
sheridan,
probably,
but
what's
the
incentive
for
synergistics
to
do
more
once
they
guarantee
that
they're
going
to
save
us,
you
know
50
000
or
is
it
50
000,
our
monthly
fee?
You
know:
what's
the
incentive
to
go
above
and
beyond,
we
get
that
savings.
So
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
then
a
little
bit
about
what
is
the
difference
between
the
two
different,
the
50
50
split
versus
this
one.
M
In
any
more
of
the
profits,
that
is
absolutely
correct.
I
will
say
it
this
way
the
company's
been
around
for
35
years.
We
pride
ourselves
on
what
we
do,
and
this
is
just
very,
very
honest,
the
better
you
do,
the
better.
We
look
right
and
that's
that's
the
mission
behind
what
we
do
is
to
be
as
effective
and
efficient
with
all
of
our
partners
and
not
just
meeting
the
bare
minimum
of
what
we
say.
We
do
this
company
achieves
a
higher
standard
and
that's
the
standard
that
we
base
what
we
do
on.
E
Do
you
see
any
stumbling
blocks
for
the
city,
then,
to
you
know
fully
implement,
or
I
mean
I
would
think.
Maybe
it
would
incentivize
our
our
employees
to
do
even
more,
because
we
would
realize
all
of
those
savings
we
wouldn't
be
sharing
them.
So
is
there
going
to
be
some
kind
of
an
effort
to
educate
people
that
way?
You
know
like
hey
the
more
we
do,
the
more
we
get
all
these
savings.
M
Yes,
we'll
do
multiple
presentations
to
not
only
through
the
council,
to
the
public
but
to
the
staff.
And
yes,
we
we're
looking
to
grow
a
culture
within
the
organization
that
wants
to
achieve
a
higher
standard.
We
want
the
city
of
clearwater,
as
we
do
all
of
our
partners
to
be
the
best
best
in
class
in
their
in
their
fields.
E
And
then
I
saw
that
there
was
a
you
know:
we're
not
including
the
gas
company
as
their
operations,
but
we
are
including
the
gas
department
building
correct.
M
We
we
do
not
touch
things
that
are
essential
services,
street
lights,
traffic
lights,
your
water
plants.
Those
are
things
that
we
cannot
have
an
effect
on,
because
we
don't
want
to
degradate
the
service,
so
those
will
be
segregated
from
the
program.
E
E
Okay,
so
if
our
our
average
monthly
fee
is
thousand
four
one
one
by
sixty
two
months
is
three
million
four
hundred
and
thirty
seven,
then
we
add
the
annual
purchase
agreement
of
another
eighty
four
five.
So
our
total
as
you've
got
in
this
document
is
three
million
3
521
842,
that's
our
cost
and
then
in
that
contract,
you're
saying
we're
going
to
achieve
about
4
million
in
savings,
so
we're
going
to
save
more
than
we
pay
right.
Yes,
ma'am,
okay,
but
if
we
have
a
50
50
split
and
we
save
two.
E
M
The
the
business
model
that-
and
I
apologize
steve
jones,
I'm
sorry
the
business
model
that
we
approached
the
city
of
clearwater
with
at
first
was
a
50
50
split.
We
still
are
projecting
the
exact
same
total
of
savings
in
the
aggregate
for
the
city
of
clearwater,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out
when
we
talked
earlier
that
the
risk
and
the
reward
are
synonymous
with
each
other.
M
This
guaranteed
fixed
fee,
for
you
just
allows
you
to
obtain
more
of
the
savings
as
the
program
progresses,
as
opposed
to
a
50
split
where
we
would
get
half
of
the
savings
that
you
or
we
would
get
exactly
what
you
got.
S
E
M
M
E
S
E
O
G
F
Add
no,
I'm
just
going
to
agree
with
you
that
I
think
this
is
a
better
way
to
do
it.
I
had
some
concerns
before
I'm
glad
that
we
put
it
off,
so
I
can
really
get
into
exactly
what
you
know
the
savings
would
be,
and-
and
this
is
something
we
can
monitor
as
well
on-
you
know
a
monthly
basis
and
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
M
Thank
you.
We
very
much
look
forward
to
your
energy
manager
coming
on
board
when
that
person
here
she
is
hired.
We
will
send
you
know
two
or
three
people
down
here
and
spend
a
couple
days
and
kind
of
start
from
the
beginning
with
that
individual
to
let
them
know
you
know
the
benefits
of
what
we're
bringing.
M
A
T
T
T
In
addition
to
the
balance
of
the
note,
staff
has
been
unable
to
obtain
proof
of
homeowners,
insurance
and
escrow
has
been
exhausted,
which
means
that
we
may
be
on
the
hook
for
property
taxes,
should
they
remain
unpaid
in
2017,
council
approved
the
department's,
affordable
housing,
loan,
foreclosure
and
loan
forgiveness
policy,
which
is
a
mouthful
it
is
attached
for
your
review.
The
policy
prescribes
the
stuff,
the
steps
that
staff
will
take
to
modify
loans,
prevent
foreclosure
and
the
like.
B
Mayor
well,
as
with
the
information,
I
appreciate
all
the
information
in
the.
In
the
summary
I
mean
the
history
on
this
property
and
03.
It
was
determined
to
be.
They
traditionally
wanted
to
rehab
the
property.
It
was
determined
that
it
was
non-rehab-able,
so
it
had
to
be
torn
down
and
built
a
brand
new
home
on
the
site,
and
basically
it
seems
almost
as
soon
as
it
was
built.
They
still
stopped
were
delinquent
in
payments.
I
mean,
I
think,
clearwater,
I
think
the
city.
B
I
think
you
should
be
commended
for
the
patients
we
you've
shown
and
we've
shown
on
this
property.
I
hate
to
do
foreclosure
to
on
anybody,
but
given
the
history
that
you
provided
to
us,
I
I
see
us
having
no
other
choice.
E
So
I
I
agree
with
councilmember
hamilton,
I
think
the
city's
going
above
and
beyond.
So
my
question
is
so
it
has
a
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
due
in
past
due
taxes
and
I'm
thinking
the
home
is
probably
worth
in
today's
market
a
lot
more
than
a
hundred
and
seventy
thousand.
If
it's
a
four
bedroom
three
bath
yeah.
T
E
E
G
Yeah
when
I
ran
for
office,
I
I
hadn't
considered
evictions
as
part
of
the
job
and
this
that
this
is
a
a
tough
one,
especially
since
a
few
weeks
ago
I
was
looking
at
rental
prices
and
I
I
was
stunned
at
how
high
they've
skyrocketed
in
the
last
few
years,
but
we
have
given
this
person
so
many
chances
and
it's
been
in
default
almost
from
the
beginning.
So
I
I
agree.
We
need
to
move
forward
with
this.
T
I'll
simply
add:
we
brought
the
policy
the
loan
foreclosure
policy
forward
to
council
within
our
regulations
there.
That
policy
is
really
a
departmental
policy
and
how
we
operate
and
try
to
address
loan
defaults,
but
we
did
bring
that
policy
forward
in
part
because
of
this
particular
borrower.
She's
shown
no
regard
for
a
responsible
homeownership,
so
we
were
prepared
to
bring
this
forward
right
around
the
time
of
the
start
of
the
pandemic
and
opted
not
to
do
so.
For
the
reasons
you
just
described.
F
Well,
this,
this
is
a
tough
one.
Whenever
you
foreclose
on
something,
but
you
know,
I
think
something
needed
to
be
done
a
while
back.
I
was
on
the
code
enforcement
board
years
ago
and
we
just
didn't
have
teeth,
I
mean,
then
this
puts
teeth
in
in
it
and
I
think
we've
worked.
The
object
is
to
work
as
much
as
you
can
with
it,
and
then
this
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
terminate
and
then
start
over
so.
T
T
O
T
J
Jennings
point,
the
the
note
in
the
mortgage
will
allow
us
to
recuperate
certain
things
of
taxes.
Escrow
amounts
that
we've
paid
out
attorneys
fees,
so
my
time
that
will
be
spent
on
the
lawsuit
in
terms
of
actual
time
like
that-
probably
not,
but
also
and
I'll
look
into
it
in
terms
of
the
mortgage.
V
Good
morning,
roger
johnson
engineering
manager,
the
lower
spring
branch
improvement
project
is
a
partnership
with
the
southwest
florida,
water
management,
district
and
pinellas
county
to
increase,
hydraulic
conveyance
and
efficiency
of
the
lower
spring
branch
phase.
One
of
the
project
is
complete.
The
bridge
at
sunset,
point
was
completed
by
pinellas
county
last
year.
Phase
two
is
what
we're
working
on
now
we're
at
90
design
on
that
at
that
stage
we
typically
send
all
our
design
drawings
to
all
permitting
agencies.
V
E
I
I
W
Good
morning
my
name
is
omar
tala.
I'm
the
traffic
engineering
manager
requesting
to
approve
a
proposal
to
construct
construction
manager
at
risk
bill,
biltmore
construction
for
400
and
500
blocks
of
cleveland
street
closure,
provide
and
install
removable
traffic
control
devices
to
protect
the
commercial
seating
area
while
still
providing
access
when
necessary
in
the
amount
of
105
400.
O
Well,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
engineering
department
very
much
for
moving
forward
so
quickly.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Questions.
N
W
The
yellow
ones
are
where
the
physically,
they
will
be
physically
located
the
planters,
while
the
bullards
are
on
the
pedestrian
just
at
the
edge
of
the
pedestrian
crosswalk.
They
block
the
crosswalk.
Yes,
sir,.
W
They
are
stainless
steel.
I
did
request
that
we
put
the
plastic
delineators
to
enhance
the
visibility
for
visual
for
for
the
people
who
are
you
know
so
that
they
cannot
be
blended?
You
still
have
to
have
a
visual
effect.
Okay,
so
you
do
not
want
to
have
different
colors.
They
have
to
be
acceptable.
E
N
W
F
W
That
will
act
like
that
and
it
will
act
also
access
to
restaurant
owners
or
drop
off
pick
up
whatever
through
special
permits.
W
Resolution
requesting
f
dot,
lowering
speed
limit
for
vehicular
traffic
to
35
miles
per
hour
and
portions
of
brew
street
to
further
communicate
fdot.
The
city
concerns
in
addressing
reported
crashes
along
the
state
route
road
addressing
north
resident
requesting
to
improve
overall
quality
of
life.
In
the
subject
area
along
drew
street
from
east
boundary
of
north
saturn
avenue
to
the
west
boundary
of
myrtle
avenue.
A
X
Some
people
do
speed,
limits
are
funny.
I
mean
they.
They
always
tend
to
have
a
little
bit
of
creep
up
to
about
five
to
ten
miles
per
hour
tends
to
be
the
tolerance
that
you'll
have
within
the
speed
limit.
As
far
as
the
aggregate,
I
think
the
most
recent
data
that
our
traffic
engineering
put
together
really
showed
their
level
of
compliance
was
a
little
higher
than
we
thought
it
believe
was
95
somewhere
in
that
neighborhood.
X
So
our
level
of
compliance
was,
in
my
mind,
a
lot
better
than
I
thought,
it'd
be
based
on
that
research
or
that
data
we've
been
doing
some
additional
enforcement
details
along
that
and-
and
I
think
they've
been
very
productive-
it
definitely
at
the
40
miles
per
hour.
Those
narrow
lanes
make
it
feel
like
cars
are
going
faster
than
they're
going
fast
than
they
necessarily
may
be
as
far
as
just
a
comfort
level,
but
with
traffic.
X
In
my
mind,
you
can
do
all
the
enforcement
you
want,
you
can
take
any
corner
any
street
you
want,
but
the
moment
you
leave
it's
going
to
always
have
a
tendency
to
creep
back
to
what
originally
was.
So.
You
know
finding
a
speed
limit
that
that
the
engineers
and
everyone
feels
comfortable
with
and
then
having
regular
reoccurring,
periodic
enforcement
to
support.
It
is
what
the
right
formula
is
in
my
mind,.
X
G
There
was
officers
outside
my
neighborhood
a
couple
nights
ago
and
I
got
caught
doing
a
rolling
stop.
I
apologize
for
that
I'll
be
paying
my
ticket
soon,
but
it's
you
know
I
was
happy
to
see
them
out
doing
the
patrol.
W
And
just
for
information
we
do
tend
to
when
we
do
surveys,
traffic
monitoring
surveys
as
traffic
engineering.
We
share
this
data
with
the
police
so
that
they
do
effective
policing
if
they,
if
they
see
patterns,
because
our
survey
captures
a
week,
they
then
they
basically
address
the
issue,
as
the
salvation
shows.
So
we
are
collaborating
between
the
two
departments.
In
fact,.
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
the
staff
for
composing
this
resolution
and
it's
a
little
stronger
than
just
a
letter
and
hopefully,
f
dot
will
lower
that
speed
limit
and
then
residents
can
see
if
that's
really
going
to
make
a
difference.
That's
what
they've
been
asking
for
and
and
we'll
see
that
with
you
know,
enforcement
from
our
police
officers
and
then
that
creep
will
be
at
a
lower
level
right.
If
it's
set
at
40,
the
creek
might
be
45
87
35.
E
F
So
this
this
should
show
that
our
the
council
does
listen
to
the
neighborhoods,
and
this
is
where
you
know
we're
going
to
try
to
make
this
happen,
while
we're
working
on
the
entire
drew
street
problems.
F
B
Voicemail,
well,
I'm
I'm
good.
With
this
resolution.
I
and
I
hope,
f
dot
will
listen.
I
think
35
is,
as
as
the
chief
has
said
when
you
see
the
for
the
average
driver.
When
you
see
four
lanes
two
in
each
direction,
you
automatically
think
it's
a
little
higher
speed
limit
than
if
it's
two
lanes
or
something
of
that
nature,
but
you
know
with
proper
signage
and
whatnot.
I
think
35
is
good
along
what
council
member
albright
and
said,
though
you
know
we
do.
You
know
we,
we
do
listen
to
the
neighborhood.
B
B
One
of
those
speed
bumps
costs
a
lot
of
money.
So
there's
always
all
of
these
factors
are
what
we
are
charged
with,
considering
not
just
oh
yeah,
let's
put
speed
bumps
up
to
slow
a
few
cars
down
going
through
a
neighborhood,
so
you
know
we
do
listen
to
neighborhoods.
We
understand
their
concerns.
A
All
right,
we
will
hear
that
on
thursday
5.1.
Thank
you
appreciate.
Q
Good
morning,
mayor
council,
scott
ellis
fire
chief
clearwater
fire
and
rescue
the
item
before
you
is
to
request
the
approval
of
the
proposal
from
biltmore
construction
company
inc
of
bel
air
florida
at
the
guaranteed
maximum
price,
gmp
of
eight
million
three
hundred
forty
six
thousand
seven
hundred
seventy
one
dollars
for
the
construction
of
fire
station.
Forty
six
before
I
go
on
I'd
like
to
introduce
the
team.
That's
been
working
on
behind
the
scenes
over
the
last
several
years
to
try
and
come
to
to
where
we're.
Q
Q
If,
if
you
please
it
because
it's
a
complex
project
from
day
one
as
well
as
spanning
several
council
changes
in
city
administration
changes,
I
think
it
would
be
best
with
your
approval.
If
I
go
back
briefly
to
where
we
started
and
how
we
got
to
where
we
currently
are.
With
this
station,
there
are
two
absolutes
I've
always
found
in
the
in
the
fire
service
in
the
40
years.
That
I've
been
in
it
if
there's
not
a
fire
station
in
a
community
right
now.
Q
Q
Conversely,
and
very
ironically,
if
there
currently
is
a
fire
station
in
the
community
to
move
it
even
just
down
the
street,
it's
very
is
very
hard
and
very
difficult
fire
station
46
was
originally
built
in
1964
and
then
later
remodeled
into
1980s.
The
current
station
is
two
base
with
all
this
supporting
living
areas.
On
the
first
floor,
with
the
exception
of
a
large
dorm
room
on
the
second
floor,
the
current
building
does
not
meet
any
acceptable
standards
for
nfpa
or
many
of
the
building
codes.
Q
Q
The
station
was
designated
as
a
cip
project
in
2016,
of
which
we
were
concerned
on
the
amount
set
aside
since
in
2017
station
50,
which
was
a
slab
on
grade
three
base
station
in
the
countryside
area,
was
right
about
3.5
million
over
the
next
couple
years.
We're
able
to
put
some
more
money
into
it,
where
in
2020
we're
just
about
just
over
6
million
for
the
project
which
we
felt
comfortable.
Q
This
is
when
we
went
out
to
look
for
several
ideas:
capitalizing
on
the
financial
efficiency,
which
included
either
new
construction
and
or
remodeling
of
the
current
fire
station
that
exists
with
that.
An
rfq
was
sent
out
and
winemaker
jensen
was
awarded
the
contract
and
they
were
awarded
the
contract
because
of
their
out
of
the
box.
Q
Thinking
we
needed
a
a
firm
that
could
take
this
post-it
stamp
area
and
really
make
it
look
like
it's
going
to
to
need
the
needs
of
what
we
needed
and
they
they
hit
it
right
on
the
mark,
as
mentioned
before,
the
complexity
station
makes
it
difficult
to
design.
This
station
is
not
like
any
other
station
that
I've
seen
in
in
the
nation,
and
that's
mainly
because
of
its
engagement
with
the
community.
Q
It
serves
the
residents
of
north
beach,
the
businesses
on
mandalay
and
the
thousands
of
visitors
that
come
to
enjoy
our
beautiful
beach
on
any
given
day.
If
you
sat
there
for
about
an
hour,
someone
will
walk
into
that
station.
Ask
for
directions.
They'll
want
some
parking
information.
They
may
want
their
picture
of
their
child
on
the
fire
truck
to
trade,
a
patch
or
just
to
say,
hi.
Q
Q
Time
and
time
again,
I've
heard
from
not
only
clearwater
beach
citizens,
but
also
those
in
other
areas
of
the
county
and
in
other
counties.
They
just
say
just
go
to
the
fire
station
turn
left.
There's
a
parking
access
here.
There's
beach
access
there,
they
don't
know
the
address,
they
don't
know
the
street.
They
just
know
you
turn
left
at
that
fire
station.
They'll
know
they
even
know
the
fire
station
number
station
46,
as
well
as
all
the
restaurants
that
they
could
go
to
or
if
you
pass
by
the
fire
station.
Q
Q
Q
On
any
given
day
in
early
spring,
when
the
stingrays
are
prevalent,
you
can
see
two
six
to
ten
people
lined
up
on
the
apparatus
bay
station
46
with
their
feet
in
the
in
the
warm
buckets
of
water,
trying
to
reduce
the
effects
of
that
sting.
Q
So
anyplace
else
would
have
put
our
units
coming
out
onto
side
streets
as
for
access
for
response,
which
would
increase
our
response
time
in
the
first
design,
winemaker
jensen
was
able
to
incorporate
the
need
with
the
design
of
the
station
in
a
single
story.
Two
bay
station,
elevated
in
the
middle
of
the
park,
and
the
biggest
reason
for
that
that
I
was
looking
for
is.
Q
I
did
not
want
to
lose
that
interaction
between
the
firefighters
and
the
public
once
you
go
to
a
two-story
station,
for
whatever
reason
we
lose
that
it's
separated
station
45
station
44
on
sand,
key,
very
unwelcoming,
and
we
lose
that
interaction
between
the
firefighters
and
the
citizens
that
come
by.
So
I
was
looking
for
where
that
we
definitely
did
not
want
to
lose
that
interaction.
Q
Additionally,
the
ramp
could
again,
as
I
mentioned
before,
could
not
exit
onto
mandalay,
since
it's
conflicted
with
beach
by
design
code.
It
was
realized
that
this
design
would
not
fit
within
the
allotted
budget
that
we
had
and
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
to
take
a
look
at
something
different.
Q
The
new
stage
new
design
was
to
rebuild,
as
you
see
it
now,
the
next
one,
if
I
can
get
to
that
one
design
allow
for
overcoming
some
of
the
previous
mentioned
issues
with
the
coastal
construction
code.
The
beach
by
design
code
and
also
fema
flood
requirements,
the
one
drawback
was
that
we
had
to
tear
down
the
existing
building,
so
we
would
have
to
have
a
temporary
fire
station
and
another
location
in
mckay
park.
As
this,
this
design
started
to
come
together.
Q
It
was
noted
that
the
close
proximity
to
the
parks
and
rec
storage
facility
would
not
only
be
an
eyesore
but
also
a
fire
code
issue.
It
was
then,
we
decided
to
utilize
some
of
the
space
on
the
lower
level
for
increased
storage
area
for
parks
and
rec
of
which
they
needed
down
on
the
lower
floor
and
any
fema
guidelines.
Q
Construction,
material
and
labor
costs
exponentially
grow.
The
key
concepts
that
we
had
throughout
this
entire
structure
by
this
entire
team
is
we
had
that
team
approach.
We've
had
everybody
involved
from
the
beginning,
all
stakeholders
involved
as
well
as
neighborhoods
and
and
the
communities
I
met
several
times
with
the
communities
out
on
north
beach.
Also,
the
island
way
with
this,
which
this
station
services
to
to
keep
them
abreast
of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
what
we're
the
the
components
of
it
and
and
how
it
was
going
to
look.
Q
We
tried
to
stay
budget
conscious.
We,
I
always
reiterated
and
they'll,
hopefully
testify
that
after
every
design
change
every
time
we
looked
at
a
station,
my
standard
answer
was:
it's
got
to
be
within
budget.
If
it's
not
within
budget,
then
it's
just
a
nice
drawing
on
a
piece
of
paper.
We
have
to
stay
within
our
budget.
Q
The
state
sustained
sustainability
concepts.
We
incorporated
that
from
the
beginning,
not
only
because
of
the
efficiency,
but
also
because
of
the
educational
component
for
all
those
visitors
that
come
by
and
see
that
station
drop
by
for
a
patch
there's
also
the
components
that
they
can
pass
on.
Those
ideas
to
the
to
the
citizens,
those
can
consist
of
solar
array
on
the
roof,
a
rain
garden
for
the
for
the
water,
gas
generators,
bird,
safe
glass
and,
of
course,
turtle
friendly
lighting.
Q
The
other
element
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure-
and
this
one
accomplishes
is
that
community
engagement
elements
for
the
firefighters
it
provides
that
welcoming
of
a
welcoming
atmosphere.
It's
not
separate,
even
though
second
floor.
We
provide
winemaker,
jensen
designed
some
components
inside
that
the
firefighter
still
can
engage
with
the
citizens
in
in
the
look
of
the
station
as
they
pass
by
and
lastly,
it
reuses
a
lot
of
the
old
station
elements
to
keep
that
tradition.
B
Oh,
I
know
this
area
very
well
the
temporary
station
at
mckay
park.
I
know
we're
not
there
yet,
but
how
are
we
eliminating
some
park?
We're
gonna
have
to
eliminate
some
parking
spaces
on
mandalay
for
for
them
to
come
out,
but
people
have
parked
there
for
so
long.
How
are
we
going
to
blockade
that?
Where
is
there
going
to
be
some
some
sort
of
electric
fences
or
anything
to
open
for.
Q
Q
Tried
to
also
on
the
side
street,
there
is
where
the
larger
vehicles
parked.
We
had
to
make
sure
we
kept
some
of
them
up
on
as
well,
but
as
far
as
the
stationary,
there
are
gates,
they're,
not
electric
gates,
they're
manually,
opened
and
closed
on
both
sides
off
the
mount
on
to
mandalay,
which
is
where
the
apparatus
comes
out
on
and
the
one
off
the
side
streets
where
they
would
enter
back
in.
B
And
I
I've
asked
this
question
before
I
believe-
and
I
can't
remember
the
answer
and
I
know
we're
looking
at
putting
solar
on
the
roof,
but
I
think
an
amenity
for
the
people
for
people
on
the
beach
would
it
be.
Is
it
possible
to
put
a
helipad
on
the
roof
of
this
for
emergency,
for
if
there's
someone
who
needs
emergency
evacuation
medically
from
the
beach
during
high
season
during
high
traffic
times,
where
traffic
on
the
beach
is
not
moving?
Well,
it's
and
they
need
trauma
and
have
to
go
to
going
further.
B
B
Shaft
all
the
way
to
the
roof,
we
would
have
to
run
yeah
correct.
I
know
yeah,
but
is
it
but
my
question
is:
would
it
be
possible-
and
I
would
think
the
additional
cost
of
that
is
something
we
could
probably
get
the
county
to
pitch
in
on
county
emergency
services?
B
For
for
that
type
of
thing
I
don't
know
I
may
be
wrong,
but
I'm
just
looking
at
I
know:
they've
had
a
heck
of
a
time
finding
a
location
to
bring
medical
helicopters
in
when
when
the
time
has
dictated
they
need
one,
and
I'm
just
thinking.
You
know
that
type
of
a
facility
would
be
prime
for
it
if
it
obviously,
if
it's
strictly
a
economic
reason-
and
it
just
absolutely
can't
be
done,
you
know
it
is
what
it
is,
but
it's
just
a
concept
that
has
come
to
my.
Q
Mind
I
appreciate
I
can
look
into
what
that
would
be
on
that
note,
because
I've
had
that
question
asked.
Thank
you,
sir,
for
that
by
the
citizens
of
some
of
the
neighborhood
meetings
is
how
you
know
now
that
we
have
the
temporary
fire
station
in
mckay
park,
because
that
was
always
our
landing
zone
for
anything
on
the
beach.
Where
we
landing
a
helicopter,
we
still
have
backup
areas
that
we
have
the
ability
to
get
the
helicopter
in
and
be
able
to
get
those
trauma.
Q
Patients
out
why
that
is
being
utilized
as
a
temporary
flag
station.
Q
Y
To
answer
that
one
yeah
jeff
walker
good
morning,
jeff
walker,
senior
professional
engineer
with
the
construction
services
group.
I
don't
recall
when
the
memo
came
out,
but
there
was
a
request
by
gas
that
all
city
buildings,
the
appliances
be
gas
now
they'll
be
energy
star,
but
they're
they're,
all
natural
gas
appliances,
the
the
water
heaters
are
instantaneous
water
use
which
are
very
efficient.
E
E
It's
not
and
then
the
other
thing,
the
other
question
I
have
so
I'd
like
to
know
when
that
memo
was
created
or
you
know
who
agreed
to
it
and
how
do
we
rectify
it
with
our
green
print
goals
that
were
in
august
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
with
a
generator
I
mean
I'm.
I
understand
this
generator,
but
well.
Y
The
comparison
and
generator
is
diesel.
Diesel
would
have
been
less
expensive,
but
diesel
is
obviously
far
more
less,
creating
less
sustainable
than
natural
gas
and
I'll
look
up
that
memo
for
you
and
I
will
definitely
forward
what
I
received
from
the
natural
from
the
gas
department.
E
Okay
and
then
the
other
thing
is,
while
we
do
have
solar
here,
why
not
have
some
battery
backup
system
as
well?
You
talked
about
this
fire
station
being
an
educational.
You
know
component
to
the
community
and
I
think
if
we
have
some
battery
storage,
if
we've
got
solar,
we
might
as
well
start
with
some
battery
storage
to
get
experience
as
a
city
with
what
is
battery
storage.
Y
The
the
roof
right
now
is
a
butterfly
roof,
so
it's
like
a
dual
mono
sloped
roof
and
we're
using
all
of
it
with
our
solar
array,
which
is
a
thin
film,
like
three
millimeter
flexible.
You
know
high-tech
panels
that
are
peel
and
stick
so
we
have
no
rack
system
up
there
and
our
layout
occupies
the
whole
high
roof.
Okay,
most
of
the
roof.
Okay,
and
that
only
produces,
I
shouldn't
say
only,
but
it's
43
kilowatts
with
77
panels
and
that's
about
25
to
30
percent
of
the
building
load.
Y
Z
Okay,
I
don't
remember
the
just
to
circle
back
on
on.
Z
That
was
mentioned,
there's
actually
a
policy
I
off
top
my
head.
I
do
not
remember
it's
a
council
policy
or
a
just
a
city
manager,
science
policy,
that
that
has
us
installing
natural
gas,
water
heaters
ovens
in
our
city
facilities.
So
we
would
need
to
revisit
the
policy
itself
I'll,
look
and
see
if
it
was
a
council
one
or
a
or
a
city
policy
administration
policy,
but
we
do
have
one
that's.
That
was
the
basis
for
the
memo.
Okay,.
B
And
I
mean
we're
talking
commercial
grade,
the
the
kitchen
equipment
in
our
fire
stations
is
commercial
grade
natural
gas
and
it
it
it's
the
most
efficient
way
to
cook
I
mean
when
you're
doing
large,
when
you're
making
a
lot
of
food
and
our
fire
stations
when
they
eat
they
cook
big,
big
dishes,
and
it's
just
it's.
I
I
think
the
amount
of
in
the
overall
picture,
the
amount
of
natural
gas
consumed
by
our
fire
stations
is
almost
zero
compared
to
the
big
picture
and
and
it
just
but
it's
it
is
what
and
I
don't.
B
If
I'm
not
mistaken.
I
think
the
policy
was
instituted
by
mr
horn
that
we
would
use
natural
gas.
I
don't
think
it
mandates
it
as
it
was
said
earlier,
but
I
think
it's
it
recommends
it
and
moving
forward
from
there,
but.
A
Well,
it
is
a
breathtaking
number-
yes,
sir,
but
certainly
a
station
that
is
long
past
its
time
and
once
we
get
the
hercules
station
done
too,
we
will
really
be
in
a
good
place,
consent,
yeah,
6.1.
AA
Thank
you
good
morning,
kyle
brotherton
planning
and
development.
So
this
case
involves
a
0.272
acre
parcel
of
land.
That's
located
on
the
north
side
of
turner
street
approximately
180
feet,
east
of
south
myrtle
avenue
parcel,
is
currently
vacant,
but
was
previously
occupied
by
two
detached
dwelling
units,
one
unit
in
the
rear,
with
a
carport
and
a
main
unit
in
the
front,
the
request
is
to
change
the
property
zoning
out
designation
from
office
to
medium
density,
residential.
AA
Both
the
current
office
district
and
proposed
medium
density,
residential
district
are
consistent
with
the
underlying
future
land
use
map.
Category
of
residential
office
general.
Therefore,
no
future
land
use
map
amendment
is
required.
The
owner's
intent
is
to
develop
the
property
with
a
detached
dwelling.
However,
no
side
plane
has
been
submitted
at
this
time
and
the
owner
is
aware
that
all
necessary
permits
must
be
obtained
before
development
can
occur,
and
the
community
development
board
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
this
amendment.
At
its
january
18
2022
meeting
you
have
to
answer
any
questions,
questions.
A
I'm
supportive
of
this
east
of
myrtle.
I,
like
the
pattern,
that's
occurring
west
of
myrtle
with
some
of
the
offices.
I
think
there's
great
potential
in
this
whole
area.
Absolutely
redevelopment
really
upgrading
but
in
its
proximity
to
downtown,
is
great,
so
drove
by
this
site.
Just
take
a
look,
it
looks
good,
so
yeah
we'll
talk
about
that.
Further
on
thursday
7.1.
AB
Mayor
council,
dan
mayer,
I.t
director,
council,
we've
had
our
current
website
as
designed
for
the
last
five
years
we
were
due
for
a
facelift.
AB
AB
In
this
scenario,
it's
a
little
more
expensive,
but
we
have
total
control
over
the
pictures
and
the
theme
we
can
be
much
more
seasonally
driven
and
we
have
vastly
superior
email
communication
a
lot
more
robust,
some
ai
involved
in
that
we
did
extend
it
for
an
extra
year
in
terms
of
the
service
agreement.
So
it's
three
years
we
had
just
approved
this
in
september
and
we're
adding
on
another
year
to
that
agreement.
R
Council
we
already
have
that
feature.
Unfortunately,
I
think
there's
been
some
hesitancy
because
it
does
require
some
of
the
electronic
main
plates
and
there's
been
concern.
If,
when
the
system
does
not
work,
it
may
be
more
difficult,
but
we
can
look
into
and
seeing
how
it
would
need
to
be
required
like
what
is
required
now
that
we're
in
this
chamber
to
see
so
it's
something
that
we
were
going
to
pursue
afterwards.
Only
because
of
the
name.
M
R
R
I
wouldn't
say
it's
time
savings.
I
think
it's
more
transparency
during
the
meetings
for
the
people
in
the
in
the
audience.
They
would
be
able
to
see
how
the
votes
actually
go.
It
would
slow
down
the
process
a
little
bit,
because
at
that
point
I
would
have
to
close
the
you
would
close
the
public
comments
and
then
I
would
have
to
wait
for
all
the
votes
to
come
in
so
each
one
of
your
recordings,
but
we're
talking
seconds
maybe.
R
F
Reason
the
reason
I'm
brought
that
up
is
some
of
the
other
committees
that
I'm
on,
which
does
have
a
larger
body.
It's
a
larger
voting
body,
but
it's
you
know
when
you
have
it.
I
think
it's
quick
and
everybody
can
see
who's
voting
in
you
know
for
or
in
opposition,
and
so
it
might
not
be
something
that
would
really
help
us
here
with
five.
You
know
voters
but
just
curious.
A
This
time,
not
necessarily,
I
would
agree,
granicus
is
owned
by
a
private
equity,
firm
yeah,
so
usually
pe
firms
are
eventually
going
to
divest
take
the
company
public.
I
certainly
remember
when
peoplesoft
got
absorbed
by
oracle,
and
we
had
some
issues
when
that
happened.
AB
AB
Not
a
lot
we
do
know
they're
very
committed
to
the
public
sector,
so
the
product
was
bought
by
a
private
equity,
firm,
called
vista.
It's
run
by
robert
smith,
who
is
very
bright.
Guy
who's
really
applied
a
methodology
specifically
to
software
companies,
and
it
has
invested
fairly
heavily
in
the
public
sector
as
well
as
some
private
software
solutions.
AB
AB
So
I
think
this
is
something
they'll
hold
on
to
for
the
time
being.
It
is
something
that
we
deal
with
all
the
time.
With
all
our
software
solutions,
it
could
be
private
equity,
it
could
be
another
company,
just
expanding,
so
it's
been
fairly
dynamic.
The
last
15
years
as
governments
have
gotten
more
sophisticated
in
their
service
delivery
methods
and
their
reliance
on
technology
for
serving
the
public.
AC
Now,
good
morning,
mike
mcdonald,
green
in
aviation
in
2016,
the
city
of
clearwater
and
their
partnership
with
clearwater
ferry
inc
and
in
that
agreement
after
the
first
renewal
term,
it
allowed
us
to
release
the
lane
of
the
vessel
monica's
crossing.
I'm
here
today
to
ask
you
to
go
ahead
and
release
that
lane
through
clearwater
ferry
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer.
Any
of
you
asked
questions,
questions.
A
AD
Morning,
american
council,
chris
cook,
senior
manager
of
parks
and
recreation:
this
is
a
purchasing
item
today.
For
century
event,
services
they've
provided
they've
been
providing
staffing
and
security
solutions
for
us
at
the
msb
here
at
council
meetings
for
the
parking
division,
as
well
as
for
numerous
special
events
and
athletics
tournaments
for
us
for
several
years,
and
we're
looking
to
continue
that
relationship
with
that.
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
AD
Not
not
a
reason
for
it.
No,
I
know
pd
special
operations.
Division,
especially
is
in
communication,
with
them
regularly
when
events
are
being
planned.
Ultimately,
the
security
falls
under
whatever
pd's
direction
is
so
they're
not
really
coming
up
with
any
strategy
for
event.
Solutions,
they're,
just
kind
of
staffing
where,
where
we
determine
people
are
going.
R
AE
Good
morning,
mark
fodor
controller
solid
waste
division.
This
is
a
continuation
of
our
underground
refuse
program
to
allow
for
the
imagine,
clearing
a
program
to
add
a
14
additional
refuse
and
recycling.
B
AE
A
So
if
we
did
not
go
with
this
proposal,
I
don't
know
for
you
or
earl
what
would
the
alternative
costs
both
on
the
capital
side
and
operating
side
b?
And
I'm
assuming
we're
still
going
to
have
normal
receptacles
around
the
park
too,
because
there
may
be
places
that
the
trucks
can't
access.
AF
We
have
to
be
in
there
servicing
those
containers,
and
I
couldn't
tell
you
exactly
how
many
more
we
need,
but
we'd
have
to
be
in
there
servicing
those
containers
two
or
three
times
per
day,
maybe
more,
depending
on
the
event
number
of
people
that
came
to
the
event,
whereas
with
underground
we
we're
in
there
once
a
day
if
that
to
take
away
six
point
six
point:
five
cubic
yards
of
garbage
and
recycling
from
those
units,
so
I
I
can't
give
in
exact,
but
it
would
be
a
lot
more
containers
around
and
then
the
public
space
recycling
when
we
put
containers
out
these
have
been
much
better.
AF
I
mean
they
they're
marked
well,
and
people
have
been
more
thoughtful
about
what
they
put
actually
put
in
the
containers
that
we
have
installed
already,
so
we're
getting
pretty
good
recycling
from
those
containers,
so
any
other
public
space
recycling
that
we've
tried.
Those
containers
have
come
back
with
a
lot
of
garbage
in
it
right.
So
I
I
can
probably
try
to
work
something
up
for
you,
but
I
couldn't
give
it
to
you
right
now,
but
we're
still
going
to
have
other
receptacles.
AF
Yes,
we'll
still
have
other
receptacles
around
where
a
truck
can't
get
to
it,
but
this
will
be
on
the
walkway
as
it
goes
or
roadway,
because
truck
will
be
able
to
access
it
as
it
goes
to
a
park.
We'll
have
approximately
five
within
the
park
itself
and
then
one
on
the
south
end
near
the
parking
area
and
one
on
the
north
end
in
that
parking
area.
A
AF
B
Had
a
follow-up
like,
I
think
you
answered,
these
are
all
located
where
our
tr,
the
the
roadway
or
the
pathway,
the
the
truck
is
going
to
be
able
to
access
all
of
them
with
no
problem.
E
AF
Now
we're
building
out
our
really
are
building
out
our
first
route.
This
this
would
be
represent
phase
two.
The
first
phase
was
seven
locations,
we're
currently
finishing
up
number
six,
which
is
at
the
opposite
parking
lot
number
seven
we're
going
to
the
new
fire
station
that
you
just
approved,
and
then
there
will
be
seven
installed
in
the
magic,
clear
water
in
the
coming
months,
as
as
they
get
through
to
that
phase
of
their
construction.
B
I
was
not.
I
was
not
aware
we're
putting
another
one
of
these
at
the
new
fire
station.
I
mean
we've
got
three
of
them
in
the
rockaway
lot.
Already.
This
one
is
to
serve
the
fire
station.
This
is
forest
first,
oh,
it's
for
the
instead
of
a
dumpster
or
a
compactor
pudding
at
the
fire
station.
Oh
okay,
because
I
was
like
first
people
aren't
gonna
you're
right.
That's
when
you
step
off
the
beach
and
put
them
in
that.
Do
you
think
they're
gonna
stop
and
put
them
in
this
one?
I
think
so.
No!
A
R
AG
So
this
is
amending
section
2.036
of
the
clearwater
code
of
ordinances.
This
is
the
first
reading.
This
is
mr
margolis's
ordinance.
I
participated
in
the
review,
but
he
is
the
one
that
is
asking
for
this
to
occur,
so
I
just
wanted
to
go
over
it
generally.
I
can
answer
some
general
questions
or
you
can
also
defer
until
thursday
for
mr
margolis.
AG
So
in
that
ordinance
there
are
currently
five
sections,
the
first
five
sections.
The
only
changes
is
rather
than
referring
to
city
commission,
it
will
say:
city,
council,
subsection,
six
is
new
and
that
clarifies
that
the
duty
of
the
city
attorney
is
to
supervise
the
city
attorney's
office
and
that
employees
in
the
city
attorney's
office
should
not
be
considered
civil
service
employees.
AG
Seven,
it
will
be
that
the
city
attorney
will
establish
the
compensation
for
each
of
the
employees
in
the
office.
Eight
is
that
the
city
attorney
will
review
for
legal
sufficiency,
agenda
items
involving
the
council
meetings,
work
sessions,
the
cra
and
the
pension
trustees,
with
the
exception
of
board
appointments
and
nine,
is
that
the
city
attorney
will
review
and
approve
billing
from
outside
counsel.
O
Mayor
and
council
today
we'd
like
to
begin
the
discussion
for
a
new
city
hall,
and
so
we
have
a
presentation
I
want
to
kind
of
just
lay
out
the
timeline
today,
we'll
begin
the
discussion
on
the
february
28th
work
session,
where
we'll
be
soliciting
questions
from
the
council
today
and
we'll
be
able
to
respond
to
those
and
then
with
the
hope
of
bringing
the
site
location
and
the
financing
package
on
march
3rd
for
council
action.
Z
Thank
you,
michael
maxwell
assistant
city
manager,
in
20.
I
think,
as
all
all
of
you
know,
in
2018
we
vacated
city
hall
for
a
couple
different
reasons.
One
was
for
the
support
of
magic
clearwater
wanting
to
vacate
that
site
so
that
we
could.
We
could
start
marketing
it
for
redevelopment.
We
also
had
some
cost
efficiencies
that
you
know
that
made
it
make
some
sense
for
us
as
well
not
having
to
to
invest
additional
dollars
into
a
building
that
that
we
knew
we
weren't
going
to
be
in
for
very
long.
Z
And
began
to
begin
a
five-year
lease
at
that
point,
you
know
we
we
the
other
reason
that
we
we
moved
and
had
always
planned
to
move
this
conversation.
One
that's
gone
back
to.
I
think
the
early
2000s
is
to
create.
Z
In
the
downtown,
something
that
something
that
could
help
support
redevelopment
throughout
the
downtown
area
as
well,
while
maybe
not
being
the
focal
point
like
imagine,
clearwater,
it
still
would
have
some
benefits
to
us.
Now.
As
far
as
the
the
reason
for
kind
of
bringing
this
forward
now
we
we
do
have
an
expiring
lease.
I
don't
think
we're
ending
under
any
illusion
that
we
would
be
able
to
not
have
to
extend
at
least
somewhat.
Z
We
haven't
decided
that
yet,
but
we
would
probably
have
to
have
to
extend
at
some
point
as
far
as
the
recommendation
that
we're
bringing
to
you,
it
is
to
construct
a
new
standalone
city
hall
on
the
set
on
the
site
south
of
the
msb,
currently
bmsb,
and
actually
I
have
a
visual
here
for
you
and
I
think,
you're
all
familiar
with
the
site.
But
this
is
the
site
just
south
of
msb.
Z
Z
Z
You
can
also
see
that
this
sort
of
creates
a
campus
for
for
municipal
services,
both
the
missile
service
building
and
the
police
department.
We
think
there's
some
some
functional
efficiencies
that
we
can
achieve,
either
in
moving
some
departments
from
msb
to
city
hall
or
in
just
reorienting
how
they,
how
they
operate.
Z
So
there's
some
some
opportunities
that
we
would
get
into
during
the
design
phase
with
the
with
the
architect
trying
to
try
to
make
it
a
little
more
efficient.
Both
you
know,
and
also
for
for
the
efficiencies
related
to
energy,
those
sorts
of
things
as
well.
Z
Right
now
we
have
a
cost
estimate
of
30
million
dollars
that
is
based
on
what
we
believe
are
initially
good
numbers
they're
based
on
really
two
two
estimates.
One
is
actually
one
estimate,
largo's
estimate
for
their
city
hall,
which
is
much
larger
than
what
we're
talking
about
we're.
Looking
at
about
forty
thousand
square
feet,
they
were
closer
to
80
to
90
000
square
feet.
Actually
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet,
I'm
sorry,
but
the
other
one
was
saved
union.
Z
There's
a
38,
000
square
foot
structure
that
so
it's
very
close
to
our
40
000.
and
it's
it's
come
in
at
and
it's
an
actual
at
a
23.8
million
dollars
is
the
is
the
number
for
them.
We
added
some
escalation
in
and
that's
where
we
got
to
the
30
million
it's
a
little
higher,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
and
we
took
into
account
some
of
the
volatility
in
the
construction
market
right
now
as
well.
Z
So
you
know
we
wouldn't
necessarily
intend
to
make
it
a
larger
number,
but
we
want
to
plan
for
it.
At
the
very
least,
our
plan
and,
as
mr
jennings
said,
we'll
get
into
the
to
the
specifics
of
the
funding
strategy
in
future,
but
but
part
of
that
discussion
on
on
the
thursday
meeting
would
be
to
amend
the
penny
list.
Z
The
reason
we
want
to
amend
the
penny
west
is
a
big
part
of
our
financing
approach
is
transferring
16
million
dollars
over
the
next
eight
years,
not
not
transferring
it
to
the
public
utilities
department
and
reallocating
it
to
our
city
hall
project.
The
utilities
department
in
2017
received
an
allocation
over
in
penny,
two
of
about
20
mil
20
million
dollars.
They
take
they've
got
about
four
of
it
so
far,
and
you
know
that
said
over
the
last
several
years
we've
been
able
to
create
some
different
funding
strategies
in
that
department
which
no.
N
Z
It
would
not
material
effect
materially
affect
the
rates
or
the
construction
timelines,
and
you
know
those
may
be
affected
by
other
things,
but
it
wouldn't
be
because
of
the
16
million
dollars,
so
that
would
need
to
be
vote
that
we'll
have
on
the
I
think
it's
the
third
or
fourth
of
the
of
march
and
we'll
bring
back
to
you.
A
I
I'd
like
a
little
bit
more
on
that
either
in
one-on-ones,
but
I
mean
I'm
taking
you
all
at
your
word,
but
I
it's
hard
for
me
to
understand
how
the
16
million
won't
be
missed
without
raising
rates
that
either
tells
me
that
our
estimates
were
off
on
what
the
projects
were
going
to
be
our
cost
or
the
revenues
that
we
had
to
pay
for.
Z
Z
today
that
six
year
period
is
120
million,
so
part
of
it
was
not
having
identified
the
projects.
The
master
planning
that
water
and
sewer
has
done
has
helped
us
figure
out
where
those
projects
need
to
be,
but
we've
also
been
able
to
find
some
revenues
to
to
handle
them,
but
we'll
definitely
provide
some
additional
information
on
that.
Z
N
N
Z
Z
We
also,
as
I
said,
want
to
create
as
many
efficiencies
as
possible
between
msb
police
and
the
city
offices,
so,
and
we'll
we'll
be
getting
into
a
lot
of
that
during
the
design
phase.
I
also
wanted
to
provide
just
some
visuals
of
other
city
halls
and
see
what
a
sense
of
them.
This
is
the
one
I
mentioned
earlier:
the
23.8
million
dollar
one
again,
38
000
square
feet
this
compared
to
our
40
000.
There
are
some
differences
in
parking
and
those
sorts
of
things,
but
most
most
of
them
to
our
advantage.
Z
So
that
is
one
of
them.
This
is
another
one.
This
is
the
largo
one.
This
is
a
not
an
actual.
This
is
an
estimate
by
the
by
the
architect
and
the
and
the
construction
manager
at
risk.
It's
a
62
million
and
is
about
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet.
They
haven't
got
the
final
numbers,
yet
that
should
be
very
soon
oldsmar.
This
is
an
older
one
from
1990,
so
I
don't
have
the
cost
necessarily
for
this
one,
but
just
to
provide
another
local,
visual
joelle.
AC
Z
Z
This
is,
I
believe,
her
favorite.
I
will
tell
you
that
we
are
not
going
to
achieve
the
price
of
this
one,
which
was
384
million
dollars
in
in
the
2003
2004
timeline.
Apparently
it's
right
around
500
million
in
today's
dollars.
We
will
not
do
that
or
come
anywhere
close.
And
finally,
this
is
the
new
york
city
hall,
obviously
a
very
old
building-
and
you
know
something
that
is
very
iconic
and
movies
and
all
sorts
of
things
so
with.
Z
B
B
A
F
Yeah,
I
look
forward
to
having
those
conversations
too
and
thank
you,
mr
jennings,
for
bringing
this
forward.
You
know
I
was
on
council
when
we
moved
into
the
600.
Actually
you've
brought
it
forward
and
made
that
initiative,
because
we
had
been
talking,
probably
for
20
years,
about
moving
out
of
city.
You
know
the
old
city
hall
and
just
like,
we
do
everything
in
clearwater.
F
E
E
E
I
would
have
stayed
there,
but
my
concerns
are
about
the
budget
and
you
know
if
you're
taking
this
out
of
16
million
out
of
utilities,
I'm
thinking
of
some
things,
I'm
thinking
about
the
state
legislation
that
says
by
2032
reclaimed,
water
can't
go
into
tampa
bay
and
so
that
our
water
department,
our
utilities,
are
looking
to
expand
that
reclaimed
water
infrastructure
here
in
the
city.
Does
that
take
away
money
from
that,
and
I'm
also
thinking
about
the
staffing
positions
that
have
been
empty
for
years
and
some
of
those
departments
I
mean
we
need
to
fund.
E
We
need
to
have
adequate
funding
for
high
quality
employees,
to
work
for
our
city
to
get
things
done
and
make
sure
things
operate.
In
an
efficient,
timely,
effective
manner-
and
I
just
I
wonder
about
I-
I
wonder
about
that-
those
are
things
that
go
on
in
my
head.
When
I
see
that
well,
we
have
16
million
on
public
utilities.
I'm
like
they've,
been
waiting
to
fill
these
positions.
We've
got
this
big
infrastructure
with
reclaimed
water
coming
at
us,
so.
G
N
G
Have
to
pretend,
mr
jennings,
for
hopping
on
this
so
fast
as
he
has
with
so
many
other
items
that
really
need
attention.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
us.
A
A
Z
Z
Which
departments
actually
come
over
and
if
whether
or
not
some
some
move
over
to
the
msb?
Those
are
some
conversations
that
you
know
we
kind
of
are
still
having
internally
and
are
going
to
have
with
the
architect
as
well,
but
but
really
it's
those
departments
moving
over.
I
believe
those
were
the
two,
the
two
major
ones
that
were
coming
over.
I
don't
think
I
could
just
also
speak
to
that.
O
We
have
begun
the
process
to
really
look
at
all
of
our
departments
and
reorganize,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
significant
changes
as
it
relates
to
our
departments
and
the
size
of
those
departments.
And,
honestly,
I
think
you
know
there
was
a
decision.
Of
course
it
was
an
important
decision
made
in
12
15
years
ago
in
0809
to
reduce
300
positions.
O
So
it
is
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
work
together
on
as
to
whether
we
can
start
to
bring
back
some
of
those
positions
in
order
to
keep
or
to
actually
to
accelerate
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
would
really
like
to
see.
Again.
You
know
the
beautification
of
certain
areas,
and
I
mean
it's:
you
got
to
have
people
to
be
able
to
do
the
work,
and
so
that
is
just
a
you
know,
conversation.
Hence
the
reason
why
we
are
looking
at
it
slightly
larger.
A
A
A
O
I
think
it's
also
our
responsibility,
though,
to
look
at
the
impact
on
staff
of
what
we're
asking
them
to
do,
and
so
no
final
decisions
have
been
made,
no
recommendations,
and
certainly
there
will
be
a
lot
of
discussion
with
you
and
the
rest
of
council.
But
you
know
we
are
going
to
have
this
beautiful
new
park.
A
Well,
I
think
this
whole
topic
requires
you
know,
obviously
its
own
work
session
at
some
point,
and
you
know
remembering
back
to
when
this
building
was
built.
I
hope
we
get
an
architect
that
understands
florida.
A
B
Yeah-
and
I
mean
hindsight,
is
always
20
20.,
but
when
we
vacated
the
old
city
hall,
there
were
multiple
reasons.
One
was
the
annual
maintenance
cost
and
upkeep
of
that
building
because
of
the
deficiencies
in
that
building
were
adding
up
and
basically
moving
to
the
600
building
was
very,
very
the
costs
were
very
similar,
but
the
primary
reason
for
vacating,
the
city
hall
when
we
did
was
to
be
able
to
put
that
property
in
the
bluff
development
as
a
bluff
development
opportunity.
B
Now
we
haven't
been
successful,
putting
somebody
in
there,
but
if
we're
sitting
in
that
building
and
don't
know
where
we're
going,
we
couldn't
in
good
faith,
put
that
out
there
to
the
development
community
and
say
here
you
go
it.
You
know,
tell
us
what
you
what
your
ideas
are
so,
but
we
are,
you
know
we
are
where
we
are
today
and
it's
it's
time
to.
You
know,
make
a
commitment
to
build
the
new
city.
All
now
I
am
a
little
worried.
B
I
mean
30
million
dollars
for
a
40,
000
square
foot,
that's
750
a
square
foot.
Wouldn't
you
like
to
have
750
a
square
foot
to
spend
on
what
you've
built
in
your
career?
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
high
number.
That's
why
I'm
saying
we
can
probably
start
it
a
little
lower
and,
as
we
know
exactly
what
we're
going
to
get
for
our
dollars.
B
Z
O
O
I
mean
I
know
we
want
to
move
forward,
but
I've
expressed
great
concern
and
me
and
the
assistant
city
manager,
we've
got
to
play
a
greater
role
in
maintaining
containing
the
costs
escalations
of
some
of
these
projects,
so
we're
going
to
be
much
more
involved,
so
you,
you
certainly
will
have
my
word
that
on
a
city
hall,
where
I
just
get
concerned
about
going
out
there
and
under
budgeting,
and
then
you
have
these
cost
escalations
and
it's
very
difficult
to
have
a
straight
face
when
you
do
that.
O
O
O
A
E
What's
the
onboarding
process,
what's
our
expectations
of
members
once
they're
on
an
advisory
board
and
how
do
we,
you
know?
How
do
we
interact
with
them?
Where
do
they
get
their
their
direction
because
you
know
one
of
the?
So
if
you
go
on
to
this
attachment,
you
know
I've
got
I've
got
what
are
advisory
boards
and
if
you
look
on
our
link,
it's
it's
pretty
basic.
You
know
it.
E
It
doesn't
say
too
much
where
other
municipalities
have
four
or
five
pages
per
advisory
board
with
you
know
a
20-page
document
on
boarding
about
certain
expectations
and-
and
so
I
think
we
can
be
more
clear
on
what
our
advisory
boards
are
there
for
and
and
with
their
purpose.
E
And
so,
if
you
go
to
the
second
page
here
here
kind
of
are
the
questions
I
want
to
ask
if
the
advisory
boards
are
here
to
advise
what
what
are
they
to
advise
on?
Who
are
they
advising
and
how
frequently
right
now
we
get
like
a
once
a
year
summary
of
their
activity,
which
tends
to
be
kind
of
a
summary
of
their
meeting
notes
and
we
discuss
this
or
that
and
and
it's
not
useful.
N
E
E
For
example,
if
we
have
the
affordable
housing
advisory
board,
which
had
the
last
two
months
meetings
cancelled
because
there
apparently
there
wasn't
anything
to
vote
on,
but
those
members
had
an
incredibly
robust
discussion
in
december
about
how
green
print
fits
into
their
task
on
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
They
had
a
lot
of
questions
for
sheridan.
They
had
ideas
about
informing
residents,
about
energy
efficiencies,
to
help
them
save
money
and
all
that
stuff.
So
you
know,
perhaps
we
could
have
a
guest
speaker
come
in
and
speak
to
them
about
different
things
that
are
going
on.
E
We
could
have
amy
foster,
who
is
the
director
of
the
continuum
of
care,
homeless
leadership
alliance,
come
in
and
inform
members
about
what
the
county
is
doing
with
our
homeless
so
anyway,
I
just
I
I
want
to
see
us
engage
with
staff
liaison
to
give
direction
to
advisory
boards.
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing
to
do.
I'd
like
permission
to
do
that.
E
E
I
don't
know
if
they
read
the
agenda,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
you
know,
hold
some
people
accountable
and
have
greater
expectations
of
what
they're
supposed
to
do
on
on
advisory
boards
and
that
falls
into
I'm
sorry.
You
know
we
can
take
these
in
different
sections,
but
that
falls
into
also
the
reappointments,
which
has
been
real
frustrating
to
me
that
our
reappointment
is
simply
based
generally
seems
to
be
based
on
attendance
and
that
we
just
normally
reappoint
people
if
they
want
another
term.
E
I
think
we
should
have
a
reapplication
process
and
they
can
you
know,
and
it's
a
little
different,
it's
a
reappointment
application
and
tell
me:
what
have
you
done?
What
are
you
most
proud
of?
What
did
you
bring
forward?
What
would
you
like
to
continue
to
work
on?
Why
should
I
give
you
another
two
or
four
for
your
appointment?
E
You
know
so
those
are
you
know.
Those
are
some
of
the
things
that
are.
R
So,
just
as
a
clarification
regarding
the
document
online,
that's
meant
as
a
simple
cheat
sheet,
so
to
speak.
All
the
advisory
boards
are
listed
in
our
code,
whether
it's
code
affordances
or
in
the
community
development
code
that
provide
detailed
distinction
in
terms
of
what
their
mission
and
what
their
goal
is.
That's
one
two.
I
think
it's
very
important
to
understand
that
the
advisory
boards
advise
council
as
a
whole,
so
it
would
be
inappropriate
for
one
council
member
to
go
to
a
staff
liaison
and
say
hey.
I
have
an
idea.
R
R
I
think
that's
important
in
terms
of
the
application
I
understand
in
recent
years.
There
is
this
I
desire
to
maybe
amend.
It
is
very
subjective
right
now.
So
if
you
want
to
change
the
application,
I
did
let
mr
jennings
know
that
maybe
it's
a
time
to
change
it.
It
has
been
the
same
application,
but
that's
really
up
to
council
to
decide
how
what
kind
of
application
I
did
provide
the
city
manager
with
different
versions
of
what's
being
used
locally.
R
You
have
from
those
some
municipalities
is
exactly
what
we
have
a
very
subjective
application
process,
and
then
you
have,
for
instance,
st
petersburg.
They
just
have
a
list
of
all
the
advisory
boards.
You
check
off
the
ones
that
you
want
and
you
submit
a
resume,
and
so
those
are
other
items
that
the
council
can
consider.
R
But
in
terms
of
the
the
the
updates
to
council
in
terms
of
what
each
board
is
doing,
council
does,
like
the
mayor,
said,
receives
the
minutes
for
all
the
advisory
boards,
and
that's
really
how
council
is
informed
of
what
is
the
board
doing
and
what
are
they
discussing
so
that
if
you
see
something
in
the
minutes
that
may
need
some
direction
from
council?
That
is
really
council's
opportunity
to
raise
that
question
with
the
city
manager
to
place
it
on
the
agenda.
A
A
We
have
to
have
consensus
that
that's
where
we
want
effort
by
staff
and
the
advisory
boards,
and
if
we
want
to
change
specific,
you
know
applications
to
have
more
detailed
information
as
to
the
skills
of
you
know,
different
applicants
for
different
boards.
I
think
that's
a
better
way
to
do
it
to
ask
specific
questions
that
would
you
know
illuminate
whether
a
person
really
has
the
chops
for
what
we're
going
to
point
them
to.
R
The
other
thing,
as
well
in
terms
of
the
board
meetings,
so
staff
liaisons,
are
aware
and
cognizant
not
only
of
staff's
time,
to
provide
the
meeting
and
and
making
sure
that
the
meeting
is
there,
but
it's
also
for
the
advisory
board
members
we're
cognizant
of
their
time
they're
taking
time
out
of
their
busy
day.
The
last
thing
that
we
want
is
for
them
just
to
hear
a
staff
report
that
does
not
require
any
action.
R
O
You
know
missing
one
month
and
then-
and
just
it's
just
because
of
the
importance
of
that
particular
topic
at
this
time.
I
know
that
I
have
cons
some
concerns
about
the
process
in
which
members
are
selected
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is,
there's
an
application,
but
there
really
isn't
a
body
that
reviews
those
applications
and
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
council,
and
so
one
of
the
ideas
in
which
I'll
just
throw
out.
AD
E
But
couldn't
you
have
couldn't
you
have
the
applicants
come
in?
You
can
schedule
it
from
three
to
four,
the
the
applicants
you
know
come
in
and
council
member
albritton
interviews
them
in
this
room
and
then
I'll
interview
them
in
the
next
room,
and
then
we
could
make
a
recommendation
based
on
our
interviewing
of
people
that.
R
Could
occur
but
one
of
the
reasons
why
now
council
members
received
the
applications,
I
think
about
a
week
or
more
so
ahead
of
time
was
for
that
purpose,
so
that
council
members
could
call
the
applicants
individually.
So
you
already
have
that
opportunity,
presumably
with
the
application
process
so
prior
to
us
actually
putting
items
on
the
agenda.
We
provide
council
members
with
each
of
the
applications,
that's
one,
and
we
also
provide
a
monthly
memo
to
council
advising
of
the
upcoming
vacancies
because
it
is
presumably
at
this
point.
R
R
E
R
So
we
have
used
social
media,
for
instance,
with
the
cdb
appointment.
We
asked
for
it
to
be
continued.
We
posted
a
call
for
applicants
with
the
local
professional
organizations
with
our
own
construction
manager
at
risk
and
our
engineer
of
records.
Our
linkedin
page,
I
posted
on
my
own
linkedin
page,
and
we
got
three
applicants.
R
So
I
think
social
media
is
probably
the
best.
Anybody
will
tell
you
and
I,
as
as
somebody
who's
involved
with
a
hearing
process,
newspapers
or
an
advertisement,
is
not
the
most
effective
form
of
communication,
and
I
say
that
because,
with
all
the
mailing
notices
that
we
do
and
the
advertisements
for
our
public
hearing
items
in
our
newspaper,
we
do
not
have
a
groundswell
of
individuals
who
attends
that.
R
A
They
have
chosen
representative
government.
For
that
reason
they
don't
want
to
necessarily
do
that.
That's
okay!
I
don't
think
that's
you
know
necessarily
all
bad,
but
I
I
don't
think
your
commitment
or
the
rest
of
our
commitment
is
necessarily
what
everybody
out
in
the
public
has,
and
I
think
you
have
to
realize
that
these
are
also
volunteers.
A
I
mean
I
thank
them
all
for
what
they
do.
Some
of
these
agendas
can
be
massive,
especially
for
like
the
cdb.
The
amount
of
homework
that
you
have
to
do
to
really
be
prepared
is
significant.
A
B
B
B
We've
never
really
had
council
members
going
to
the
advisory
board
meetings,
I'm
not
sure,
that's
our
job
to
go
to
an
advisory
board
meeting
or
or
if
it
should
be
part
of
our
job,
and
I
I
question
your
attendance
at
the
advisory
board
being
if
it's
having
a
positive
or
negative
effect,
I
don't
know
I
can't
say
for
sure,
but.
B
B
B
You
know
it
is
the
process
we
have,
but
I
yeah
I
kind
of
go
back
to
the
the
old
you
know
if
it's
not
broke.
What
are
we
trying
to
fix,
and
I
mean
the
advisory
boards
have
done
their
jobs
for
years
and
years
and
we
get
all
the
information
that
we
that
we're
supposed
to
get
and
it's
our
job
to
react
and
respond
to
that
information.
B
A
Well,
I
think
we
ought
to
feel
comfortable
as
a
council
talking
about
things
that
we
want
to
send
to
the
boards
and
then
the
other
thing
is.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
making
the
application
a
little
bit
more
robust
and
specific
to
different
boards,
so
that
people
at
least
identify
why
they
are
qualified.
For
you
know
the
board
that
they're
applying
for
those
are
two
things
that
I'm
very
comfortable
with.
A
E
All
right
so
a
couple
things
I
mean,
I
don't
I
don't
pick
up
some
vibe
that
I'm
intimidating
or
inhibiting
people
who
are
on
advisory
boards.
When
I
sit
there,
I
mean
you
can't
miss
me
because
generally
there's
nobody
sitting
in
the
audience,
and
so
at
least
I'm
there
to
show
that
I
care
and
I'm
involved.
I
think
also
I've
been
pretty
clear
in
communicating
with
residents
and
people
who
volunteer
on
those
boards
that
I
appreciate
their
efforts
that
I
champion
their
efforts
that
I
care
about.
E
Your
statements
that
you
know
if
it's
not
broke,
we
don't
fix
it
and
they're
really
not
doing
things
that
move
the
needle,
don't
really
fit
together
and
and
that
we've
done
it
this
way.
For
years
I
mean
either
they
are
doing
things
that
are
moving
the
needle
and
making
an
impact
and
that's
what
we
need
to
continue,
or
you
know
or
they're
really
not
doing
anything.
And
so
you
know,
if
you
said,
to
be
honest:
they're
really
not
doing
things
that
move
the
needle.
What
are
some
examples.
B
I'm
not
I'm
not
here
to.
I
can't
pull
them
off
top
of
my
head,
I'm
just
the
the
advisory
board
they
meet.
They
discuss
the
items
that
are
on
their
agenda
their
and
they
do
what
they
do.
But
how
far
does
it
trickle
down
where
we
notice
what
they're
doing
I
mean
it
when
it's
something
important?
It
comes
to
us
for
action
when
it's
not
doesn't
require
our
action.
B
E
B
I
just
think
you
know
some
of
us
some
of
our
advisory
boards.
If
we
went
back
if
we
wanted
to
have
an
open
discussion
about
it,
I
think
some
of
our
advisory
boards
either
what
they're
charged
with
doing
or
what
could
either
be
combined
with
a
different
advisory
board,
and
we
could
we
could
lessen
the
number
of
advisory
boards
we
have.
B
E
So
it
seems,
like
I
mean
so
part
of
the
takeaway
so
far
seems
to
be.
Perhaps
we
can
tailor
our
advisory
board
applications
to
particular
boards
and
look
at
that.
Certainly
we
want
to
continue
robust
outreach
and
and
reaching
out
to
people
to
apply
for
these
advisory
boards.
I
was
a
little
disappointed
that
the
pause
on
the
cdb
last
week
or
a
week
or
so
ago
you
reached
out
to
professional
groups,
but
I
didn't
see
a
lot
on
the
city's
facebook
or
twitter
or.
R
E
But
that's
a
judgment
call
you
know
about
more
professional.
I
think
you're
limiting
the
pool
and
part
of
my
irritation
with
that
was
you
know
we.
The
statement
is
we
seek
to
have
diverse
candidates,
social,
economic
and
professional,
and
please
somebody
describe
to
me
what
social
and
economic
diversity
is
and
how
do
we
judge
that
on
that
application,
because
I'm
not
seeing
it,
and
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
a
really
big
part
of
our
conversation
today
as
well-
and
I
linked
you
know
an
application
in
there
from
some.
E
I
think
it
was
an
advisory
board.
I
think
it
was
in
florida,
but
anyway
they
ask
demographic.
I
mean
they
ask
questions
about
your
race.
We
can
and
they
can
be
optional,
but
when
we
want
diversity
we
need
to
be
able
to
ascertain
diversity.
We
have
if
we
want
economic
diversity.
Perhaps
we
have
a
question
about
your
income
range.
Okay.
What
income
range
do
you
have
because
to
have
on
this?
The
cdb?
We
want
diversity
of
social,
economic
and
professional,
and
we
can't
even
articulate
what
that
means
and
how
we're
going
to
judge.
R
That
was
because
planning
realized
that
there
were
no
professional
represent.
There
were
no
professionals
who
submitted
an
application,
so
that's
the
reason
why
it
was
intentional.
It
was
they
felt
we
had
more
of
the
the
typical
real
estate
background
that
we
typically
receive,
and
so
it's
really
more
intentional
to
try
to
seek
for
that
landscape
architecture
or
an
architect
real
estate
law,
those
areas
of
expertise
that
we
were
losing
on
the
board.
A
A
F
I'm
sitting
up
here
taking
all
this
in
and
and
councilman
beckman.
I've
seen
you
in
action
talking
to
volunteers
that
come
forward
in
front
of
council
in
a
way
that
it
makes
me
uncomfortable
as
a
councilman.
The
way
that
you're
coming
down
on
them
for
not
doing
their
job
or
your
perceived
way
that
they're
not
doing
their
job,
and
I
mean
they're,
just
like
I'm
just
a
volunteer.
I
mean
I'm
trying
to
do
the
best
thing.
F
I
can
so
obviously
you're
seeing
something
that
is
missing
and
you're
trying
to
maybe
mold
these
people
in
your
image.
As
to
your
the
way
you
are
with,
you
know,
wanting
to
be
involved
in
the
community
and
not
everybody
is
built
in
your
mold.
I
mean
there's
lots
of
people
that
are
out
there
that
are
diverse
and
they
want
to
be
part
of
the
community.
They
want
to
help
but
they're,
not
maybe
as
an
activist
as
you
are
so.
Hence
they
don't
speak
like
you.
Do
they
don't
speak
your
mind?
F
They
don't
have
like
a
school
teacher,
have
a
million
questions
that
just
you
could
just
pop
off
my
wife's,
like
that.
I
she
can
pop
off
more
questions
than
I
can
answer
in
a
row,
and
I
like
it,
I'm
not
saying
that's
bad,
I'm
just
saying:
there's
people
out
there
different
people
and
we
should
think
we
should
be
thankful
that
people
in
the
community
want
to
be
on
these
boards.
F
Okay,
so
I
think
what
probably
councilman
hamilton
I'm
not
trying
to
put
words
in
his
mouth,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
diverse
boards.
We
have
and
some
don't
really
deal
with
as
much
details
as
other
boards
do
so
I
would
say
the
cdb
is
probably
you
know
the
closest
to
council
on
the
stuff
that
they
get.
I
mean
there,
that's
a
that
board.
There
is
not
just
a
fun
board
that
gets
together.
I
mean
it's
quasi-judicial
and
these
people
have
to
know
and
realize
a
lot
more
than
an
average
board
person.
F
I
don't
think,
there's
a
one-size-fits-all
thing
that
we
do
here
and
I
do
kind
of
agree
that,
if
you're
sitting
out
there
when
these
boards
are
in
to
you
you're
you're
like
here,
I
am
I
want
to
help,
but
to
them
it
might
be.
F
Everybody
is
not
the
same
out
there
and
I
think
we
have
the
people
that
maybe
don't
talk
as
much
as
others.
They
give
us
good
feedback.
They
they,
maybe
not
don't,
aren't
as
talkative
as
other
ones
on
the
board,
but
you
know
if
they
just
don't
do
anything
the
whole
year.
I
kind
of
agree
they
probably
should
be
replaced
with
somebody,
but
everybody
it's
a
little
bit
different
and
they
give
you
know
to
their
board
in
different
ways.
F
I
think
we
could
discuss
it.
Maybe
I
like
putting
it
out
putting
the
bigger
net
out
for
people
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that.
You
know.
I
think
the
cnc
could
help
us.
You
know,
say
hey,
we
need
board
members
and
they
can
go
to
all
the
neighborhood
groups
and
say:
hey
you
think
about
being
on
a
board.
F
They
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
to
throw
a
net
anyway,
that
that's
just
my
two
cents.
I
I
just
don't
want
to
scare
off
and
get
so
critical
about
these
board
members
that
we're
scaring
people
off
going.
I
don't
know
if
I
want
to
do
that.
I
think
we
should
be
welcoming
to
everybody
that
gives
us
input
on
these
boards
and.
A
Well,
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this,
but
I
can
tell
you
that-
and
I'm
not
saying
this
what's
going
on
with
attending
the
meetings,
but
I
will
tell
you
back
in
my
last
go-around:
we
had
a
council
member
that
went
to
all
the
neighborhood
meetings
and
two
of
the
presidents
approached
me
and
said:
can
you
ask
that
person
to
not
come
to
every
meeting?
A
A
So
I
ultimately
did
talk
to
that
council
member
and
they
started
going
every
other
month.
So
there
can
be
a
chilling.
U
A
First
of
all,
are
there
because
they
have
some
level
of
expertise,
hopefully
or
passion,
for
whatever
the
board
is
and
that
they
might
catch
something
or
have
a
different
perspective
than
the
council
or
the
staff
might
have
that's
number
one
and
then.
Secondly,
you
know
that
they
are
there,
as
citizens
too,
to
give
our
staff
perspective
on
what
they
hear
out
in
their
neighborhood
or
just
their
experiences.
A
It
is
a
direct
contact,
not
all
of
our
staff
lives
in
the
city,
so
they
may
not
be
familiar
with
every
little.
You
know,
nook
and
cranny
or
or
how
a
specific
policy
is
affecting
a
neighborhood,
and
I
think
that
is
the
other
purpose
of
having
a
citizen
board,
and
the
last
thing
I'd
say
is:
it
is
really
a
place
to
build
a
bench
for
this
diocese,
because
many
of
the
people
served
on
boards
prior
to
running
for
office,
and
it
gave
them
a
much
better
wealth
of
knowledge
before
they
ran.
A
J
G
Thank
you
for
bringing
up
that
last
point,
because
that
I
feel
has
been
one
of
the
most
important
facets
of
being
on
a
board
as
well
in
defense
of
of
kathleen
as
somebody
who
doesn't
speak
as
much
as
others.
G
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
voters
out
there
in
clearwater
who
appreciate
all
the
questioning
that
kathleen
does
they.
They
see
that
she's
actually
working
to
learn
and
reach
out
to
the
city,
and
I
think
that's
important.
G
I
can't
keep
up
with
her,
but
I
know
that
I
learn
a
lot
from
the
answers
that
she
elicits
up
here
and
I
I
think
there
are
probably
a
lot
of
people
who
might
be
watching
this
out
in
the
community
who
wonder
refresh
my
memory.
What
specific
advice
have
we
gotten
from
these
various
boards
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
because
they're
not
reading
minutes
of
the
meetings.
A
A
I
think
it's
important.
We
get
them
from
the
clerk's
office.
We
just
got
a
wave
of
them
last
week
from
several
different
boards,
so
I
mean
I
recommend
that
I
would
also
say
just
because
some
of
us
don't
ask
as
many
questions.
Some
of
us
have
a
lot
more
experience
than
others
too.
So
when
you
know
you're
doing
12
14
years,
you
may
not
have
as
many
questions
as
time
passes,
some
of
those
diminish
gotcha.
O
No,
I
had
already
oh
no,
no
I'm
good
yeah.
I
I
was
just.
I
was
going
to
comment
what
what
rosemary
had
mentioned
was
in
terms
of
the
the
reason
why
we
we
did
not
use
regular
social
media,
facebook
and
so
forth
was
just
because
of
the
technical
nature
of
the
of
the
of
that
particular
committee.
So,
ordinarily,
we
would
be
on
all
of
the
social
media,
I'm
not
a
social
media
person.
So
I
confuse
snap
face
snap
face
yeah
whatever
it
is,.
R
Something
that
wasn't
added,
I
we
also
share
when
we
do
have
vacancies
or
openings
if
we're
looking
for
not
specifically
for
cdb,
but
for
other
boards.
We
do
reach
out
to
our
past
citizens,
academy
graduates
as
well
and
as
part
of
the
citizens
academy.
I
do
try
to,
I
don't
want
to
say,
push
but
encourage
individuals
to
volunteer
on
advisory
boards
and
that's
also
part
of
neighborhood
state,
something
that
has
been
missing
because
of
the
pandemic.
E
So
we
can
we
give
direction
that
we're
going
to
improve
our
application
process
to
answer
what
social,
economic
and
professional
diversity
is-
and
I
know
that's
just
one
board,
but
I
think
certainly
social
and
economic
diversity
on
all
of
our
boards
would
be
good.
So
what
would
that
look
like
in
an
application
process?
E
And
what
might
a
reapplication
process
look
like
in
order
to
reappoint
someone?
So
if
we
can't
go
to
you
know-
and
I
get
that
all
right-
we
can
call
up
people
and
interview
and
and
get
to
know
them
better
before
we
vote
on
them.
But,
but
I
think,
having
some
indication
of
diversity
on
those
applications
would
help
us
be
more
intentional
in
having
diverse
representation
on
any
of
the
boards
and
then
a
reapplication
process.
I
think
based
not
on
just.
A
A
R
This
okay
hold
on.
A
If
we
ask
that
demographic
information,
a
do,
you
have
quotas
that
you're
looking
for!
No,
what?
If
somebody
says
they
don't
care
to
answer
that
material?
Would
that
disqualify
them.
A
E
A
A
A
So
you
know
I
I've
talked
to
people
from
all
over
the
city
for
different
boards.
You
know,
would
you
consider
being
on
it
and
I
don't
like
labels,
so
I'm
cautious
about
that,
but
I
think
it's
sometimes
relatively
easy
to
figure
out
where
somebody
is
socioeconomically
and
maybe
you
know
certainly
other
categories
you
can
make
a
decision
on
so
okay.
A
If
one
person
answers
them
and
another
person
doesn't
then
todd,
you
know,
ty
goes
to
the
person
that
answered
them.
If
that's
the
case,
I'm
unwilling
to
have
it
on
the
application.
A
R
Because
I
was
going
to
your
thought
I
was
going
to
say:
let
me
draft
some
options
and
questions
and
work
with
the
city
managers
see
what
can
be
presented
to
council,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
two
different
applications,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
reapplication,
I
think
they
should
just
be
required
to
submit
a
new
one
and
new
answers,
but
let
me
have
some
options
and
then
I'll
work
with
john
to
present
that
to
council.
Okay,.
E
And
just
one
last
thing
and
I'm
not
gonna
beat
it
to
death,
but
it
is
true
that
I
have
you
know
I
can
be
critical,
observant
critical,
but
I
think
you
can
have
a
bar
a
standard.
E
You
know
of
expectations
and
I
think
raising
the
bar
can
be
okay,
and
I
would
also
say
on
that
document
that
I
attached
there's
a
big
long
page
about
ways
to
really
appreciate
your
volunteers,
and
you
know
I
know:
we've
had
volunteer
dinners
in
the
past
and
with
cohen
we
haven't,
but
I
mean
I
I
think
I
think
that's
just
as
important
to
be
very
appreciative
of
their
work
and
celebrate
it
and
thank
them.
A
Well,
we
have
always
had
that
dinner.
We
have
given
awards
we've
given
recognition
as
people
roll
off
and
are
terminated
out
as
soon
as
that
is
possible
from
a
safety
perspective.
I
anticipate
that
we
will
restart
it.
So
all
right,
15.2
draft
letter
opposing
senate
bill,
1024
council
member
beckham.
E
Okay,
so
this
is
one
that
I'm
following
closely:
it's
part
of
the
suncoast
league
of
cities,
priorities
relating
to
sustainability
in
the
environment,
and
this
is
a
bill
that
would
it's
called
the
net
metering
legislation
and
I
linked
the
hour-long
testimony
from.
I
think
it
was
last
monday,
and
I
think
it
was
in
the
community
affairs
and
98
of
the
people
who
spoke
were
in
opposition
to
this
bill.
A
lot
of
people
from
pinellas
county,
a
lot
of
solar.
E
Solar
provider
businesses
are
saying
that
they're
they're,
going
to
lose
employees
in
business
it'll
really
affect
their
job
force,
and
so
I
wanted
to
have
the
the
council
give
direction
to
staff
to
draft
a
letter
in
opposition
of
this
legislation.
It
will
make
our
green
print
goals
incredibly
harder
to
achieve.
E
N
E
Have
an
impact-
and
so
you
know
I
I
the
bill
is
being
shaped.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
heard
this
week,
but
it's
it's
one
where
we
need
to
take
a
stand
to
ask
that
the
net
metering
not
go
forward
yeah.
Is
it
being
heard
this
week.
R
No,
but
I
wanted
to
add,
I
did
approach
our
lobbyists
for
some
insight
and
they
did
recommend
that,
since
both
bills,
right
now,
they're
they're,
similar
but
they're,
not
identical.
The
sponsors
are
still
working
to
see
what
consensus
they
can
come
up
with.
So
at
this
point,
because
both
bills
are
moving
along
and
are
well
underway,
they've
suggested
that
if
the
city
writes
a
letter
to
oppose
it
to
make
sure
that
it
includes
specifics
based
on
the
current
legislation,
that's
being
considered.
So
I
I
do
believe
I've.
R
O
And
I
would
just
mention
I
had
it
last
week,
I'd
asked
staff
to
draft
letters
for
the
senate
house
bill,
which
is
what
I
sent
to
all
of
you.
A
I'd
like
to
discuss
this
further
on
thursday,
I
have
a
request
in
to
duke
on
their
perspective,
and
I
just
want
to
hear
directly
from
them.
A
It
is
they're
the
ones
who
are
driving
it,
but
I'm
just
curious
what
the
perspective
is
and
I'd
like
to
have
a
better
understanding.
Before
I
say,
let's
send
the
letter
and
I
think
it
can
wait
till
thursday
I'll
have
that
answer.
I've
already
asked
the
ceo
of
duke
to
get
that
for
me,
so
she
has
responded
great.
E
Can
I
just
ask
that,
when
whatever
response
you
get
from
duke
you
ask
for
clear
evidence
on
the
impact
of
the
if
on
the
infrastructure,
because
that's
been
a
key
trip
up
point-
is
that
there
is
no
evidence
that
flora,
power
and
light
or
others
are
providing
on
what
is
the
cost
or
the
the
financial
impact
to
any
of
the
infrastructure
when
a
solar
customer
has
net
metering
system
up,
and
so
that's
that's.
What
we
need
to
have
is
that
evidence
so
duke
and
provided
that
be
great.
E
Okay,
so
for
future
meetings,
I
would
like
to
know
if
we
could
have
a
discussion
about
a
uniform.
E
Evaluation
for
our
city,
manager
and
city
attorney
that
it's
a
uniform
form
and
we
have
some
sort
of
annual
measurable
goals
that
we
report
that
they
report
on
for
us,
and
so
in
the
past
it's
been.
You
know,
kind
of
up
to
us
individually
of
how
we
evaluate
city
manager
and
city
attorney,
and
I
think
it
should
be
a
little
more
uniform
with
upfront
goals
for
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
then
evaluate
him
on
those
goals.
At
the
end
of
the
you
know,
contract
period
there
for
the
year
well.
A
E
I've
been
waiting
too,
but
in
lieu
of
that
I
think
we
we
still
need
to
have
what
you
know.
As
I
taught
I
started
the
school
year
in
august
and
it's
like
hey,
you
know:
what
are
your
goals
this
year
there
were
department
goals,
there
were
district
goals
and
I
had
personal
goals.
So
I
had
three
different
levels
of
goals
that
my
supervisor
and
I
agreed
on.
Some
of
them
were
dictated
from
the
district
or
the
principal,
and
then
those
are
the
goals
that
I
was
measured
on.
E
I
had
a
mid-year
review
and
then
we
had
you
know
the
annual
review
at
the
end.
How'd,
you
do
on
meeting
your
goals.
I
think
that's
realistic.
I
think
most
people
in
a
job
have
measurable
goals
and
you
have
evaluations
that
are
kind
of
uniform
with
others,
and
so
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
have
that
discussion.
It
was
something
that
was
really
discussed
robustly
in
the
charter
review
committee
and
they
really
couldn't
agree
on
that,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
we
can
discuss.
E
E
As
far
as
how
do
we,
as
a
council
want
to
direct
that
policy,
while
we
look
at
greenprint
and
our
goals
right
here,
because
I
think
our
goals
are
to
reduce
all
carbon
emissions
in
city
buildings
by
2035
or
40.,
I
don't
know
if
sheridan
knows
them
right
off
the
top
of
her
head.
But
if
we
have
that
goal,
how
are
we
going
to
reach
it
if
we've
got
gas,
water
heaters
and
gas
stoves,
and
things
like
that
in
our
city,
buildings.
A
E
Know
we.
A
You
know
just
like
tesla
owners
that
say
zero
emissions
on
their
front
license
plate.
That's
a
bit
disingenuous
unless
their
cars
are
being
exclusively
powered
by
solar,
which
most
of
them
are
not
so
so
we
can
add
those
to
a
future
agenda,
all
right,
good
meeting
everybody.
We
are
adjourned
until
thursday.