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A
Good
morning,
everybody
hope
you
have
recovered
from
your
turkey
comas
and
this
blustery
day
that
we're
dealing
with
we'll
call
to
order
the
november
30th
2020
work
session
to
order
item
2.1.
C
All
right,
mayor
council,
I
want
to
tell
you
here
kind
of
briefly
summarize
what
our
intention
is
to
to
walk
through
today
with
you
one
is.
I
wanted
to
originally
bring
you
the
rfp
this
week,
the
city
attorney's
office
and
my
office
and
the
cra
director
we're
still
in
the
process
of
reviewing
the
rfp.
C
I
think
we've
got
a
very
good
initial
draft
of
a
31-page
document,
but
there
are
a
few
things
that
we
want
to
tweak
and
and
make
sure
is
kind
of
where
it
needs
to
be
before
we
bring
it
back
to
you.
We
still
intend
to
do
that
at
the
next
meeting
in
december.
If
all
goes
well
and
we
will
have
it
as
we
had
indicated
you,
we
want
to
do
earlier,
we'll
have
it
distributed
out
there
on
the
street
before
the
end
of
the
year.
C
Even
if
the
official
advertisement
comes
a
little
bit
later,
that'll
kind
of
be
the
period
of
time
where
we're
somewhat
limited
through
the
purchasing
process,
but
we
will
have
it
distributed
to
the
the
folks
who
were
on
our
original
list
and
then
some
additions
that
we've
had
conversations
with
over
the
next
few
months,
so
that'll
be
coming
up
at
the
next
meeting.
C
Today
we
want
to
go
over
a
couple
of
things
with
you.
One
is
the
the
value
engineering
cost
summary
we
have
the
park
down
to
approximately
55
million
dollars,
we'll
go
into
a
little
more
detail
with
you
on
that.
So
we
have
a
park
construction
plan
that
matches
the
resources
that
you
all
have
identified
to
bring
the
table
for
it.
C
What
we
will
suggest
to
you
is
once
we
go
through
the
the
value
cost
summary
then
we'll
follow
that
up
with
a
brief
overview
of
the
plan,
I
will
tell
you
that
I
believe
that
the
consultant
team
has
done
an
outstanding
job,
trying
to
preserve
the
the
central
components
of
what
was
most
important
to
the
plan
in
terms
of
the
water
features.
Some
children
family
play
areas
as
well
as
the
our
major
priority
installation
there,
which
is
the
the
amphitheater
and
the
stage
event.
C
C
We
be
able
to
move
forward
with
that
in
terms
of
costing
and
finding
out
moving
towards
construction,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
there
aren't
other
opportunities
for
us
to
look
more
closely
at
some
of
the
other
components
of
the
plan
that
you
may
or
may
not
want
to
add
back
depending
upon
how
much,
if
any,
additional
resources
you
want
to
bring
to
the
table
and
also,
I
would
suggest
that
those
might
be
some
very
good
areas
that
are
available
for
us
to
to
look
for
neighborhood
partners
on
in
terms
of
either
sponsoring
or
developing
some
of
the
additional
components
of
the
park
that
people
might
have
naming
rights
to
and
so
on.
C
C
D
Good
morning
tim
kurtz
engineering,
construction
manager
and
project
manager,
we've
been
busy
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
just
crunching
numbers
and
making
sure,
and
is
he
alluded
to
we've
simplified
things
and
but
kept
most
of
the
major
components
I
have
with
me
here.
D
D
Okay,
so
I
have
with
me
today
ken
duty
from
skanska
and
he
worked
with
us.
We
went
through
every
line
item
of
every
building
of
every
component
and
he
developed
this,
which
shows
the
overall
costs
and
I'll.
Let
him
walk
you
through
that
and
then
we're
going
to
follow
up
with
the
view
of
the
park
and
I'll.
Have
someone
from
stantec
come
up.
E
Council,
I
appreciate
you
having
me
here
today
to
give
you
an
update
on
our
new
project.
Imagine
clearwater
beautiful
project.
It's
going
to
be,
and
the
good
thing
is
it's
going
to
include
most
every
bit
of
the
original
program
that
we've
all
intended.
So
the
update
we've
had
a
lot
of
work.
That's
taken
place
working
with
stantec
over
the
last
few
weeks,
as
tim
and
others
have
mentioned,
we
have
made
some
value
engineering
more
or
less
just
in
some
materials
and
some
different
types,
but
we've
maintained
all
the
different
elements
with
very
few
exceptions.
E
So
we
have
the
band
shell
building
we
have
the
canopy.
We've
got
the
the
that
65
000
square
foot
coverage
for
the
canopy.
We've
got
all
of
the
the
dock
master
building
the
interactive
water
feature,
restrooms
contiguous
right,
separated
from
that
building.
E
We've
got
the
the
interactive
water
feature
itself,
very
large,
very
spectacular
water
feature.
We've
got
the
the
the
boat
house
so
we'll
be
doing
the
renovations
of
the
boathouse.
So
I
speak
to
all
these
different
elements.
Just
I
know
they're
in
your
mind,
and
I
just
want
to
touch
base
and
make
sure
you're
seeing
that
the
program
is
still
there.
We've
got
all
of
the
the
interactive
links
and
the
hardscape,
which
are
very
important
through
the
you
know
the
pathways
throughout
the
park.
E
We've
got
the
green
area,
it's
spectacular,
lawn
area
right
in
the
middle
as
you're
looking
out
through
the
causeway.
We've
got
the
the
the
featured
steps
and
the
planter
staircase
right
down
by
the
the
water
water's
edge.
We've
got
the
the
clomar
wall
included,
which
will
for
sustainability
will
be
a
great
thing.
I
know
we're
still
looking
through
with
fema
and
all
that,
but
we've
got
that
that's
in
the
park,
okay,
so
sustainability,
great
thing
to
have.
E
I
won't
be
worried
about
that
that
it
goes
around
the
banshel
building
and
the
dock
master
building
we've
got
the
parking
it's
all
intact.
Complete.
I
mentioned
some
of
the
ve
efforts,
some
of
the
parking
you'll
notice
in
a
little
bit
of
detail,
some
of
the
fine-tuning
that
we
did
to
get
to
the
monies
that
are
available.
E
E
E
Okay,
that'll,
be
something
we
continue
working
on
as
a
as
a
team
and
I'm
confident
we
can
continue
finding
ways
to
put
things
back
in
the
park
for
the
couple
things
that
are
not
right
now,
so
the
gate
bay
building
is
one
and
then
we've
got
a
water
feature
that
we're
actually
at
the
gateway
area
that
will
price
as
an
alternate
other
than
that
we
have
all
of
our
trees,
100
of
the
landscaping
in
in
quantity
and
count
that
was
originally
planned.
E
All
the
parking,
as
I
mentioned
the
lake,
it's
footprint
we're
we're
playing
with
the
overall
footprint
of
the
lake
right
now,
not
in
its
totality,
but
only
to
make
available
more
dirt
that
we
can
create
on
site
so
we're
looking
at
the
bank
creating
some
borrowed
dirt.
So
we
don't
have
to
import
as
much
again
the
lake's
going
to
be
there.
We
might
dig
the
bottom
of
the
lake
another
foot
deeper.
E
E
We've
included
coachmen
gardens
only
with
the
trees,
and
we
we
took
out
the
the
shell
walkway
pads
through
the
garden,
and
we
took
out
some
of
the
ground
cover,
but
we
replaced
it
with
sod
for
right
now
and
we'll
be
taking
ad
alternates
at
bid
time
to
see
whether
or
not
that
garden
goes
back
in
with
with
the
different
planting
elements
that
make
up
those
interactive
walkways.
Okay,
but
in
a
nutshell,
we've
maintained
everything
and
we've
gotten
it
to
the
just
over
55
million
dollars.
As
michael
mentioned.
E
A
D
Okay
yo:
this
is
an
overview
of
basically
we
had.
I
think
it
was
118
pages
that
we
brought
down
to
this.
We
didn't
start
with
the
overall
budget
that
we
saw
when
they
did
their
their
estimate
based
on
the
latest
plans,
but
essentially
what
we
did.
We
just
simplified
as
much
as
possible.
So
you
don't
see
tile
veneers
on
the
exteriors
of
the
buildings.
You
don't
see,
there's
tile
inside
on
the
wet
walls
where
you
have
plumbing
fixtures,
everything's
going
to
be
paint
and
stucco
on
the
outside
drywall
and
paint
on
the
inside.
D
We
can
add
those
things
later.
He
mentioned
the
gardens,
we
thought.
Maybe
at
time
we
have
a
conservancy
or
the
clearwater
garden,
club
or
other
interested
parties.
Perhaps
they
want
to
contribute,
and
that
could
happen
during
as
we
move
forward
with
construction
as
well.
So
we
will
bid
a
lot
of
these
things
as
bid
alternates.
The
main
reason
the
gateway
building
was
removed.
Is
we
no
longer
have
the
big
fountain?
There's
no
longer
will
call
or
cash
room
there,
because
the
venue
is
far
north
into
the
park.
D
It
really
didn't
make
sense
to
spend
those
resources
there.
We
can
show
you
the
site
plan
if
you'd
like
to
walk
through
that
or
he
can
elaborate
and
show
you
what
you're
seeing
on
the
let's.
A
A
personally,
to
kind
of
see
what
some
of
these
larger
numbers
include
personally,
but
let
me
ask
you
just
a
couple
quick
things:
are
there
any
pavers
anywhere
in
the
park
outstanding?
A
Do
we
have
a
list
of
what
was
eliminated?
Yes,
that's
something
I'd
like
to
see
at
some
point.
Is
there
room
for
art
and
other
additions
if
a
conservancy
works
absolutely
there.
D
We've
got
locations,
we
are
also
moving
a
piece
of
art
and
absolutely
throughout
all
the
walk
systems
and
the
walls.
E
Well,
the
salt
water
with
the
lateral
movement
in
the
tide
changes.
I
would
imagine
the
salt
water
is
going
to
be
down
probably
around
seven
feet,
five
six
feet
depending
on
the
seasons,
but.
E
Right,
okay,
so
so
the
pond
the
lake
is,
it's
got
a
liner
it'll,
always
be
fresh
water.
When
we're
digging
it
it,
there
becomes
a
critical
curve
where
it
it's
less
cost
effective.
So
the
more
the
deeper
we
go,
then
we
have
to
add
back
liner
and
we
have
to
put
a
cap
on
the
liner.
So
we
only
have
a
little
shallow
area
that
we
can
increase
it
right
now.
D
D
A
F
Yeah,
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
liked
about
the
park
was
the
active
edge,
the
bluff
walk,
and
I
understand
that
some
of
that's
been
eliminated.
Could
you
elaborate
on
what
you've
taken
out
on
that?
We.
D
Have
left
all
the
block
walk
on
the
north
side
from
the
library
down
to
cleveland
street,
we
did
eliminate
the
pedestrian
bridge
going
to
the
south
side
of
cleveland
street,
as
well
as
the
bluff
walk
along
that
area.
Our
thought
is,
is
that
at
the
development
of
that,
we
really
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
on
the
city,
wall
fall
site
or
what
their
elevations
would
be
so,
rather
than
go
through
what
we've
kind
of
been
through
on
beach,
walk,
trying
to
preserve
and
protect
something.
D
F
Okay
and
the
other
question
I
had
was,
I
really
see
a
need
to
do
something
with
the
trail
instead
of
going
across
chestnut
and
court.
I
mean
that
could
stay,
but
I
always
thought
we
could
go
down
turner
and
then
go
over
to
the
bridge
down
to
the
park
and
then
through
the
park
over
to
drew
street
and
then
back
up.
I've
talked
to
this,
with
wit
blanton
as
well.
F
I
think
we
can
get
some
federal
money
for
that,
because
I've
been
talking
to
him
about
a
year
on
that.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can't
allow
for
the
trail
to
go
through
the
park.
You
know
it'll
bring
a
lot
of
people
in.
We
can't
do
it
on
the
bluff.
We
can
do
it
down
on
the
water
side
and
then
back
up
drew
street.
That's
exactly
what
we've
done
for
the
most.
D
Part
all
the
trails
in
the
park
are
at
least
12
feet
and
because
they
are
also
used
for
occasional
and
emergency
use.
We
have
heavier
depth
concrete,
but
it
will
all
be
broom
finish
so
from
the
surface.
You
won't
know
the
difference
between
the
pedestrian
walk
and
where
the
public,
you
know
or
bicyclist,
and
we
could
designate
along
the
water,
although
I
think
it's
probably
going
to
be
used
a
lot
more
than
just
by
a
bicyclist
and
trail
users.
So,
but
there
are
adequate
means
to
get
through
and
around
the
park
even
during
an
event.
D
G
Back
through
that
other
okay
council
member
hamilton,
I
get-
I
guess
I
see
the
you
know:
nine
million
dollars
for
the
bandshell
lawn
seating
canopy
does
this?
Does
this
number
include
the
actual
seating?
Well.
D
The
physical
seats
we
do
have
an
allocation
for
seating,
but
the
thought
is
rather
than
pay
for
a
high
level
seat
that
may
or
may
not
last
we're
thinking
the
best
way
to
approach
that
would
probably
be
lease
the
seats
initially.
G
So
the
answer
is
no.
This
doesn't
include
the
physical
seats
themselves,
okay,
yeah,
I'm
yeah,
I'm
excited
or
I'm
glad
to
see
the
number
get
you
know
down
at
55.
G
G
We're
gonna
have
some
great
opportunities
to
get
corporate
sponsorship
for
certain
elements
and
whatnot
of
the
park,
and
so
that's
I'm
not
as
concerned
as
a
lot
of
people.
A
lot
of
the
naysayers
out
in
our
community
are
about
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
that
was
my.
That
was
the
number
that
kind
of
jumped
out
at
me
was
and
does
that
include
the
seating
and
since
it
does
not
we're
good.
D
Well,
that
that's
certainly
a
big
part
of
it.
The
other
side
of
it
was
just
the
fit
and
finish
when
we
first
started
this
project.
D
We
had
solicited
what
everybody
wanted
from
every
department
from
the
council,
and
we
put
it
all
in
and
what
we've
had
to
do
is
just
go
in
and
simplify,
for
example,
like
the
chairs,
just
the
furnishings
in
the
building,
rather
than
pay
a
middleman
and
then
scan's
gonna
handle
that
it's
probably
going
to
be
more
prudent
to
do
that
as
a
city
purchase
direct
and
the
city
forces
go
in
and
put
those
pieces
of
furniture
in
anything,
that's
built
in
or
has
to
be
plumbed
in,
we've
left
in
there
and
again,
as
the
final
gmp
for
the
park
comes
in
we're
going
to
have
everything
we've
taken
out
listed.
D
I
So
when
you
just
to
kind
of
follow
up
on
council
member
bunker's
question
we're
talking
about
55
million
today,
but
that
doesn't
include
that.
So
when
we
were
campaigning
the
number
out
there
was
64
million
dollars
for
imagine
clearwater,
it's
still
at
64
million,
because
the
10
million
is
like
administrative
costs
and
all
that
is
that
correct.
Their
incumbent.
D
Funds,
the
the
fees
we
already
paid
to
our
consultant
team
design.
Anything
that's
come
off,
I
mean
even
the
two
hundred
dollars
is
the
minimum
we
have
to
allow
for
public
art
is
in
the
incumbent
fund,
so
we've
just
made
sure
we
cataloged
everything
we
know
has
been
spent
on
the
project
that
we've
already
said
we
are
going
to
spend
and
whatever
was
left
was
the
55.
I
I
Sounds
like
some
of
those
things
are
cosmetic
like
not
having
tile
on
the
outside
just
stucco
and
paint
and
things
that
we
can
add
in
later.
Okay,
I
have
a
question
about
it.
Actually,
it's
more,
I
guess
for
mayor
hibbard,
why
why
do
you
not
want
papers
or
why
is
papers,
not
a
good
thing
in
the
park.
A
Because
I
look
back
at
what
we
did
on
cleveland
street
with
pavers
and
I
think
they're
a
maintenance
nightmare,
they
tend
to
start
sinking,
and
so
you
get
floating
edges
and
the
other
issue
is,
I
mean
they
crack.
They
float
they're
a
real
maintenance
problem.
It's
one
of
the
things
I
look
back
at
and
the
architect
frank
belimo
said
it's
not
going
to
be
a
problem
with
the
under
layment
that
we're
going
to
use
and
everything
else.
A
Well,
that
isn't
the
case
and
they
can
be
dangerous
when
you
get
a
floating
corner
and
somebody
catches
it.
So
I
prefer
what
we
did
on
beach
walk,
which
was
colored
concrete.
I
know
there's
some
staining
issues
with
that,
but
it
is,
I
think,
a
much
better
surface
and
it's
a
lot
less
expensive
in
the
first
place.
So
that's
the
reason
I
asked.
I
D
D
I
I
too
would
like
a
list
of
eliminated
items
with
their
prices,
and
I
would
like
a
number
associated
with
any
of
these
gas
torches
that
are
going
to
be
sponsored
or
paid
for
by
the
gas
company.
I'd
like
to
know
what
that
number
is,
you
know.
That's.
D
Still
in
there,
and
also
we're
working
on
the
consumptive
use
of
etus
for
torshay,
because
the
owner
of
the
park.
I
Will
have
to
pay
for
that?
Absolutely
so
I'd
like
to
know
what
those
are
we're
still
working
it.
Okay
and
then
you
said
that
there's
a
the
playground
is
going
to
be
near
the
lake
is
that
lake
going
to
have
to
you
know:
is
there
going
to
have
to
be
some
kind
of
barrier
between
the
playground
and
the
lake.
D
I
Okay,
so
we
don't
have
any
cost
for
the
seats,
the
rental
of
seats
or
purchase
and
storage
of
seats.
That's
not
factored
in
just
yet.
The.
D
Storage
area
is
factored
into
the
building
and
we
do
have
a
cost
allowance
for
seats
and
again
we
will
leave
that
in
there
for
an
adult
okay,
so
we
will
at
least
be
aware-
and
we
have
actually
someone
proposed
a
chair,
but
the
price
was
so
they
were
500
a
piece.
So
I
really
couldn't
come
forward
with
that.
So
yeah.
I
So
a
couple
of
times
people
have
mentioned
we're
looking
at
sponsorships
or
conservancy
a
great
opportunity
for
corporate
sponsorships
to
add
things
back
in
can
can
we
get
a
report
or
some
kind
of
information
about
what
other
municipalities,
how
how
many
sponsorships
they've
gotten
comparable
municipalities,
you
know
in
florida
or
nationwide,
because
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
hang
our
hat
on
that.
How
likely
that's
going
to
happen?
A
Well,
I
think
we
can
look.
You
know
to
what
the
naming
rights
out
at
spectrum
have
been
as
an
example,
and
I
think
you
can
also
look
at,
for
instance,
ruth
eckerd
hall.
A
I
mean
for
the
capital
theater,
the
naming
rights
were
two
and
a
half
million
dollars,
so
pretty
significant
one
of
the
things
you
have
to
start
thinking
about
is,
I
don't
know
how
that
works
with
the
charter,
so
miss
aiken
might
want
to
weigh
in
on
that
one,
and
then
the
other
issue
is
one
of
the
big
questions
that
people
are
asking
around.
The
country
with
naming
rights
is
normally.
If
it's
a
corporate
naming
right,
they
put
it
a
year
limitation
on
it.
A
A
J
I
D
D
So
we
decided
to
go
back
with
stantec
and
we
were
going
with
a
hard
cover.
The
number
of
structural
supports
increased,
there's
a
lot
more
steel,
other
things
and
the
price
wound
up
going
up
so,
but
because
we
have
a
revision
in
the
number
of
columns
and
support
members,
stanska
went
back
to
bird
air
and
one
of
their
vendors
and
it
can
be
done
and
significantly
less
and
we
haven't
worked
through
all
the
details,
but
it
seems
like
the
prudent
way
to
go,
and
we
do
have
some
renderings
that
show
that
so.
I
D
Did
get
numbers
both
for
the
hard
roof,
but
when
that
went
away
we
also
have
numbers
for
the
band
shell
as
well.
At
this
point
because
of
the
roofing
membrane
we're
going
on,
it
would
be
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
to
go
with,
but
we
do
have
a
price
it
could
be
worked
out
during
construction.
If
we
elect
to
go
that
way,
it's
just.
It
was
a
little
cost
prohibitive
when
we
were
putting,
I
didn't
necessarily
want
to.
But
there
are
certain
things:
it's
like
the
power
stations
for
charging
cars.
D
We
had
10
of
them
and
I
think
we
can
still
do
them,
but
I
think
we'd
rather
go
back
through
duke
and
see
what
they
can
do
for
us,
rather
than
paying
a
third
party
and
we're
going
to
be
working
with
them
on
a
few
other
cost-saving
measures,
so
we're
confident
we're
going
to
get
them,
and
I'm
just
not
sure,
because
I
don't
know
enough
about
them.
If
they
should
be
that
low,
it
might
be
better
to
raise
them
up
and
have
them
up
at
the
developable
parcels.
I
In
our
plan
to
move
forward
with
those,
but
one
thing
when
I
look
at
saving
money
and
and
making
these
decisions
about
whether
or
not
it's
a
hard
roof
over
the
amphitheater,
if
we,
if
you're
saying
it's,
it's
cheaper
to
do
the
fabric-
and
that
seems
you
know
logical,
but
if
we
did
a
hard
roof
and
put
solar
panels
on
it,
we
could
calculate
how
much
money
we'd
save
by
having
those
solar
panels.
Perhaps
it
pays
for
the
hard
roof.
That's
up
there.
The
difference
in.
D
K
G
G
K
D
Been
there
for
over
30
years-
and
I
know
the
commercial
air
side
over
in
tampa
tia
that
one
went
in
when
I
was
on
my
internship
in
82
and
I
haven't
heard
any
comments
that
it's
leaking
but
because.
A
K
D
A
L
A
D
And
I'm
going
to
have
greg
from
stantec
he's
one
of
the
site
planners
and
landscape
architects
for
stantec
that
work
with
us
as
a
team
to
go
through
the
prices
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
plan,
most
of
the
major
elements
are
here.
There
are
a
few
things
that
were
reduced
one.
I
did
want
to
point
out
just
the
coachman
gardens
that
was
all
along
the
south
east
corner
of
the
green
we've
left
the
trees
in
the
irrigation
and
we
put
soda
in
its
place.
It's
just
all
the
detailed
plantings
and
stuff.
D
If
it
truly
is
a
founder's
memorial
garden,
we
have
a
design
for
it.
We
know
what
that
costs,
but
there
may
be
others
interested
parties
that
want
a
little
more
personalization
into
those
garden
spaces
that
speaks
more
to
what
the
community
might
want
in
those
areas,
but
we
don't
know
who
those
people
are
yet
and
but
I
think
it's
coming,
and
that
could
be
done
at
any
time
now
or
in
five
years
or
in
between.
L
Okay,
good
morning,
mayor
and
council,
so
you
have
the
plan
before
you.
How
do
we
get
it
to
go
back
up?
We
mean
it's
not
on
the
lawn.
I
don't
know
that.
A
Oh
sure,
not
part
of
your
job
description
right.
L
L
The
changes
of
the
most
part
been
cosmetic
and
also
just
reducing
things,
for
instance,
the
play
area.
That's
next
to
the
lake.
We
have
quite
an
elaborate
system
of
structures.
There
are
multiple
structures,
really
a
a
large
play
area.
We
reduced
that
down
to
just
the
core
central
element
of
it,
so
we
still
have
a
significant
play
area.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
quite
challenging
and
a
fun
experience
just
has
less
elements.
So
that's
to
me
a
good
example
of
how
we
reduce
costs
same
on
building
elements.
L
So
you'll
you'll
find
the
band
shell
and
the
amphitheater
area
and
the
canopy.
That's
all
there.
The
plan
hasn't
changed.
It's
the
same
floor
plan,
the
same
program
uses
inside
the
bandshell.
Nothing
has
changed
there,
it's
all
exactly
as
you
have
seen
before,
but
by
looking
at
details
and
finishes
we're
able
to
reduce
costs
working
with
scansket.
L
L
Like
we
mentioned,
we
did
eliminate
the
south
bluff
walk
area,
but
a
lot
of
that
had
to
do
with
not
knowing
what
the
future
considerations
that
the
city
hall
site
would
be
like.
So
it
didn't
make
sense
in
terms
of
trying
to
coordinate
that,
but
the
north
walk
is
still
intact,
so
that
still
remains
I'm
trying
to
think
of
other
things.
You
know
the
the
whole
cleveland
street
drop-off
area.
That's
still
there,
the
plaza
area
that
leads
through
the
interactive
water
feature
and
towards
the
dock
master
building
and
play
area.
L
L
I
I
don't
know
any
other
specific
things.
You
know
we
talked
about
hardscape
and
the
main
change.
There
was
just
simplified
the
finishes
we
did
have
some
exposed.
Shell
aggregate
finishes
in
some
color
in
key
locations,
and
that
was
eliminated.
It's
all
gray,
broom
concrete
now,
but
all
the
pathways
and
the
circulation
systems
stayed
the
same.
L
Anything
else
I
mean
landscape
was
another
key
one.
You
know
we,
we
kept
the
quantity
of
trees
and
palms,
but
we
reduced
the
sizes
of
those
to
to
get
the
cost
down
so
take
a
little
bit
more
growing
time,
but
that's
a
good
thing
about
landscape
that
does
over
time
grow
in
any
specific
questions.
I'd
be
glad
to
help
you
voicemail.
F
D
D
Is
what
we've
done
for
now
is
we've
allocated
as
much
asphalt
parking
remain
as
possible
until
such
time
as
we
have
a
developer
for
that
parcel,
because,
basically,
you
would
lose
three
tiers
of
parking
immediately
if
we
didn't
show
it
on
the
plan,
and
I
just
think
trying
to
be
straightforward
and
out
front
of
what
we're
going
to
have,
at
least
for
the
short
term,
that
there
will
be
an
impact
there
when
a
lot
does.
But
I
don't
know
what
portion
of
that
lot
will
have
public
parking
on
it.
A
Okay,
it
just
that
was
one
of
my
questions
to
vice
mayor.
It
doesn't
look
like
there
remains
much
from
the
harborview
property
for
the
rfp
on
the
three
sites.
Michael,
do
you
want
to
address
that
sizes
are
the
same
or
would
we
you
know
be
adding
some
public
parking
to
whatever
structure
would
be
built
on
the
hardware.
C
F
B
C
All
right
I
mean
it's
just
not
shown
on
this
plan,
but
it's
probably
what
well
that's
the
three
tiers
of
the
parking
lot.
That's
shown.
D
D
C
C
F
If
that's
helpful,
you
know
we're
talking
about
pricing
and
that's
a
big
part
of
it.
I
think
I
know
it's
in
the
rfp.
I
would
like
to
have
it
shown
as
redevelopment,
I'm
not
really
worried
about
parking
for
the
library
because
whatever
goes
in,
there
will
probably
have
public
parking
if
it
is
a
hotel
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be
yeah.
C
All
that
will
be
shown
in
the
rfp
we'll
have
basically
surveyed
drawings
of
the
properties
that
we're
going
out
for
proposal
on
the
purpose
of
this
drawing
is
to
show
you
a
55
million
dollar
park
that
matches
our
resources
that
you've
identified.
So
this
is
not
attempting
to
show
you
any
other
details
about
the
bluff
properties
per
se,
so
that
parking
there
will
be
altered.
We
can
alter
it
on
this
concept
as
well,
if
that
makes
it
more
clear,
but
nothing
is
changing
with
the
block
properties.
I
C
Only
we're
going
to
ask
you,
after
a
while
to
to
not
pursue
the
library
project,
so
the
only
decision
that
we'll
have
for
you
on
thursday
night
is
your
reaction
to
that
request.
C
I
I'd
like
to
know
the
difference
between
the
originally
proposed
bells
and
whistles
playground
versus
the
somewhat
scaled
back
playground
here.
So
I'd
like
to
see
what.
D
I
G
Council
member
hamilton-
I
get,
I
guess,
I'm
not
yeah.
I
understand
everything's
going
on,
but
in
the
original
concept
before
we
move
the
bandshell,
the
the
lawn.
The
great
lawn
was
kind
of
a
combination,
great
lawn
when
there's
nothing
going
on,
but
when
there's
a
concert
going
on,
it
was
going
to
be
used
for
for
seating
area.
G
Now,
the
great
lawn
it
looks
basically
almost
as
big
as
it
was
originally
and
there's
absolutely
nothing
there.
I
mean
obviously
a
wide
open,
green
space
is
nice,
but
does
it
have
to
be
that
big?
Would
we
be
better
off
shrinking
it,
maybe
20
25
and
making
some
of
the
other
amenities
a
little
larger?
I
don't
know
I
mean-
and
I
know
we're
late
in
the
game
to
be
doing
this.
It's
a
lot
more
money.
G
I
guess
you
know
10
years
down
the
road
if
we
want
to
make
it
smaller
and
add
something
we
can
do
it
at
that
time,
but
it
just
seems
to
me
you
know
the
great
lawn
at
the
in
the
original
design
was
kind
of
multifunctional.
K
L
Actually,
just
maybe
to
help
sense,
a
scale
you
could
dash
in
in
that
great
lawn,
a
soccer
or
football
field.
It's
nearly
that
size.
So
the
thought
is
when
there's
not
a
you
know
a
concert
or
venue
going
on
it.
It's
a
place
where
you
know
someone
downtown,
wants
to
have
a
soccer
club
with
kids
and
set
up
the
nets
and
practice
and
have
games.
They
can
do
that
or
families
want
to
go
there
for
a
picnic
and
just
you
know,
throw
frisbees
and
fly
kites.
They
can
do
that.
L
It's
it's
actually
a
great
open
space,
in
my
opinion-
and
you
know
from
the
from
the
gateway
plaza,
particularly
that
upper
looking
out
over
the
lawn
to
the
bay,
I
think
in
terms
of
when
there
might
be
you
know,
holidays
with
fourth
of
july
fireworks.
If
we're
allowed
to
do
that
in
the
future.
All
those
kinds
of
things
this
is
going
to
be
a
great
usable
space
for
multi-events.
I.
G
Don't
disagree
with
you
on
the
frisbee
throwing
and
some
of
the
you
know
very
pedestrian
recreational
uses,
but
when
you
put
soccer
cleats
in
that
grass,
it
tears
it
up.
I'm
not
interested
in
putting
I'm
not
interested
in
allowing
soccer
clubs
down
there
with
their
cleats
on
to
really
tear
this
grass
up.
A
Well,
we've
had
some
we've
had
some
football
yeah
squads
down
in
coachman
park
during
coven
yeah,
because
I've
watched
it
from
a
friend's
balcony
and
we've
gotten
complaints
about
how
torn
up
it
has
become.
Mr
alias,
can
you
come
chime
in
about
you
know?
We
we've
got
a
lot
of
other
places
for
soccer
to
occur.
A
N
Yeah,
jim
helios
parks,
direct
director,
as
you
indicated
mayor
with
kovid,
there's,
been
some
kind
of
free
range
play
that
has
occurred,
so
we
will
be
monitoring
that
and
you
know
that
space
in
particular
is
going
to
be
more
of
a
recreational
passive
space
instead
of
an
active
recreational
space.
So
you
know
having
staff
stationed
down.
There
will
allow
us
to
enforce
those
regulations
and
that
way
that
will
not
occur.
I
I
think
pickup
games
and
parks
are
good.
You
know
I
could
I
I
my
kids
played
soccer.
I
know
about
soccer
cleats
and
football
cleats
and
all
that,
but
you
know
I
I
don't
and
and
now
is
not
the
time,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to
micromanage
a
big
open
green
space.
If
people
want
to
kick
around
a
soccer
ball,
families
want
to
come
and
play.
A
And
I
don't
mind
families
coming
and
playing
with
some
kids
and
kicking
around
a
ball.
What
I
saw
was
people
out
there
with
cones
and
they
were
setting
up
obstacle
courses
and
the
turf
was
literally
getting
mutilated
and
then
what
we
get
is
you
know
other
citizens
who
want
to
be
green
kind
of
pristine.
Now
they
want
us
to
replace
the
sod.
N
Yeah
we
define
that
as
structured
play,
so
you
know
we're
a
structured
activity
like
you
said.
If
it's
a
father
and
son
out
there
kicking
around
a
soccer
ball
or
playing
catch,
that's
not
something
where
we're
going
to
go
run.
People
off,
but
as
the
mayor
indicated,
when
there's
cones
set
up
and
an
actual
organized
game
where
you
have
you
know
people
that
actually
should
be
using
one
of
our
athletic
facilities.
That's
when
staff
will
approach
them
and
give
them
that
option
to
use
that.
D
I
can
have
stamps
to
come
up
and
go
through
the
bird
air
renderings
if
you'd
like
to.
A
K
K
K
E
So
we've
got
posts
that
will
allow
those
tie
backs
to
get
raised
right
now.
We've
also
included,
as
we
continue
working
through
this
some
additional
monies
to
handle
that
as
well
as
some
additional
cat
walks
and
light
battens
and
infrastructure
that,
as
we
get
working
with
stantec
and
greg,
you
can
probably
communicate
to
that.
We've
allocated
resources
within
our
estimate
to
be
able
to
account
for
those
the.
E
If
you
will,
the
space
frame
look
to
the
main
structure
going
down
the
middle.
That
is
consistent
with
what
was
previous.
So,
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
done
with
the
different
shape
with
the
fabric
based
on
the
tensile
and
the
cables.
E
E
This
is
one
approach,
there's
some
other
approaches
where
it
comes
up
in
cones
at
different
points.
I
can
go
through
a
couple
more
of
these.
If
you
want
to
speak
to.
L
L
So
a
lot
of
things
that
he
mentioned
still
need
to
be
worked
out,
but
we
feel
comfortable
in
terms
of
the
approach,
this
type
of
delegated
design
and
the
structural
all
those
things
we
know
we
can
work
it
out
and
we
feel
comfortable
with
the
pricing
that
we
have
with
it
there's
still
some
engineering
that
needs
to
happen,
particularly
on
what
the
cat
walks
and
the
supporting
the
audio
visual,
the
lighting,
all
those
elements
that
still
needs
to
be
worked
out.
You
know,
with
this
type
of
a
vendor
arrangement.
A
A
E
L
E
It's
just
going
through
some
of
the
other
renderings
again.
These
are.
These
were
just
quick
renderings
that
you
have
different
approaches.
L
L
A
Actually,
there
is
one
other
thing:
where
are
you
on
structure
for
a.
A
Conservancy,
because
I
would
like
to
see
a
committee
put
together
to
start
exploring
it
further
and
get
ahead
of
that
curve.
I
did
meet
with
john
thomas,
who
is
the
chair
of
the
botanical
gardens.
He's
had
quite
a
bit
of
experience
up
in
massachusetts
where
he
came
from
with
a
structure,
and
I
think
there
are
other
people
that
we
can
put
on
a
team
to
start
looking
at
that.
G
C
All
right,
let
me
that's
in
my
my
notes
here
I
want
to
cover
with
you.
You're
very
present
very
want
to
briefly
talk
about
our
next
options,
kind
of
where
we
go
from
here
with
this,
and
that
will
include
the
conservancy
issue.
C
It's
from
a
timing
standpoint.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
an
opportunity
for
us
to
move
forward.
If,
if
you
all
like
the
general
overall
concept
plan,
where
it
is,
it's
been
a
rather
challenging
redesign,
we
thought
just
moving
it
from
the
middle
to
the
north.
End
was
going
to
be
fairly
straightforward,
there's
just
a
lot
of
underground,
so
it's
a
it's
a
tough
site,
but
we've
accomplished
that
we
have
our
our
our
park
plan
down
to
the
resources
that
we
you
had
identified.
C
So
what
I
would
suggest
that
we
do
at
this
point
going
forward
is
that
we
kind
of
two
tracks.
One
is
an
internal
staff
review
and
analysis.
This
will
be
really
kind
of
led
by
team
wise.
I
think
we
can
transition
this
towards
parks,
since
it's
going
to
be
parks,
property
ultimately,
but
do
an
internal
staff
review
and
analysis
that
you
all
likewise
do
a
review
and
analysis,
and
we
can
talk
to
you
in
some
of
our
one-on-one
meetings
about
things
that
have
been
value
engineered
out
that
we
may
want
to
put
back
in.
C
So
we
can
develop
a
plan
for
that,
but
in
the
meantime,
that
will
not
keep
skanska
and
stantec
from
going
forward
with
nailing
down
construction
costs
to
build
the
the
basic
premise
of
our
park.
C
Assuming
with,
if
you're
happy
with
that
today,
and
I
think
the
consultants
who
have
indicated
to
you
that
pretty
much
most
of
the
all
the
important
ingredients
to
the
park
are,
are
there
and
truly
it
will
be
a
spectacular
waterfront?
I
believe
just
as
is
presented
with
you
to
you
today,
but
ultimately
we'll
be
back
over
the
next.
This
is
something
we
need
to
do.
Probably
the
next
you
know
90
days
or
so
is
to
come
back
with
you
and
see.
C
If
there's
some
other
priorities
that
you
want
to
stretch
to
be
able
to
obtain
from
a
resource
standpoint,
and
then
then
we
can
have
that
conveyed
as
alternate
ads
with
with
our
construction
team,
but
at
least
they'll
be
able
to
spend
the
next
90
days
preparing
to
to
to
get
a
park
to
ready
to
permit
and
construct.
C
So
if
we
would
ask
you
to
consider
that-
and
I
think
that
leads
us
to
the
your
question
mayor
in
that
now-
is
the
timing-
we've
got
about
two
years,
24
months
in
construction,
from
what
I'm
told
at
our
current
kind
of
design,
options
to
get
our
parks
director
to
take
the
lead
on
working
with
you
and
in
terms
of
how
you
want
to
approach
conservancy
friends
of
the
park
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
develop
a
more
specific
strategy
as
to
how
we
want
to
move
forward
with
that.
C
So
I
would
suggest
for
your
consideration
this
kind
of
concept
for
how
we
might
move
forward
over
the
next
90
days
as
we
prepare
for
for
the
permitting
of
the
the
plan
that
you
saw
this
morning
and
then
consider
any
other
changes
that
you
want
to
make
in
the
in
the
meantime-
and
I
I
just
want
one
last
com
comment
on
the
the
canopy
and
the
overall
seating.
I
actually
like
the
direction
that
this
is
going
with.
The
the
more
the
fabric
of
approach
quote.
Unquote.
C
I
think
that
allows
us
to
look
at
revisit
some
of
our
straight
shade
structures
in
the
park
and
maybe
incorporate
a
similar
design
in
some
of
those
staged.
Shade
structures
that,
with
the
canopy
material,
that
kind
of
gives
it
a
common
theme
flowing
throughout
the
park.
So
I
think
there's
some
some
good
options
there
and
that
also
may
continue
to
save
some
more
dollars
along
the
way.
So
any
rate,
I
think
that's
those
are
good
things.
C
So
with
that
I'll
await
your
direction.
Oh
and
as
I
did
indicate
one
last
comment
for
purposes
of
this
plan,
I
think
we
did.
In
fact
I
wanted
to
separate
out
over
the
last
couple
of
years
we've
thrown
everything
in
under
the
imagine
clearwater
umbrella.
Imagine
clearwater
is
coachman
waterfront
park,
so
what
we're
showing
you
today
is
the
park
and
the
park
that
matches
the
resources.
C
We
approached
them
separately,
we're
going
to
recommend
shortly
on
this
agenda,
that
you
will
not
move
forward
with
the
library
project
and
take
a
different
approach
with
that
over
the
next
year
or
so,
and
but
I
want
to
come
back
to
you
and
revisit
in
the
near
future
the
the
funding
of
the
park
project
or
the
bridge
project,
because
I
think
the
bridge
project
would
be
a
a
fantastic
accompaniment
to
what
we're
doing
with
the
park-
and
I
think
that's
probably
one
I
just
want
to
you-
know-
want
to
talk
to
the
finance
director
and
and
be
able
to
bring
you
kind
of
a
way
that
we
can
comfortably
move
that
bridge
forward.
C
I
don't
think
that
needs
to
be
delayed
very
long.
Frankly,
we
could
be
under
construction
with
that-
probably
first
half
of
next
year,
because
it's
very
close.
Basically,
it's
just
a
matter
of
the
financial
resources
to
allocate
to
it.
But
this.
A
Was
our
priority
so,
with
that
conclude
any
questions
for
mr
dog
vice
mayor,
okay,.
F
You
know
we've
been
talking
about
imagining
cold
water
for
a
long
time,
and
I
was
really
excited
last
summer
that
looked
like
we
were
going
to
start
probably
now.
So
until
the
the
issues
came
up
with
the
money
and
then
we
had
to
take
a
closer
look
and
do
a
lot
of
value
engineering.
Okay,
so
now
you're
telling
me,
are
we
90
days
out
from
start
or
are
we
120
days
out
I'm
here
and
we
may
not
get
started
till
permitting
and
everything
until
next
summer.
C
It's
what
I've
heard
is
before
that
who
wants
to
attend.
C
I
think
we
have
some
work
getting
going
now
with
with
duke
and
their
infrastructure
work,
so
we'll.
D
Be
following
that
that
is
correct.
The
duke
work
is
well
underway
and
our
anticipation
is
if,
if
all
goes
as
planned,
and
we
move
forward
as
we
were
directed.
P
D
I
think
we
could
come
in
with
a
gmp
for
the
initial
park,
work
and
utility
work
and
go
ahead
and
get
started
shortly
after
the
first
of
the
year
and
proceed
with
that
and
then
come
in
with
a
final
gmp
for
the
finish
and
the
bandshell
and
everything
once
those
design
documents
are
done.
They
can
put
those
out
on
the
street
and
get
prices,
so
there
would
be
two
gmps
that
we
go
for,
but
we
still
anticipate
having
it
in
and
done
by
the
fall
of
2023.
K
E
Cost
of
dude
right
now
is
already
encumbered
the
24
months
that
will
be
done,
but
24
months
doesn't
include
the
enabling
work
that's
taking
place
now.
Okay,
that's
what
I'm
asking
we're
we're
at
100
dvds
with
our
documents
for
the
park
right
now,
so
with
the
value
engineering
and
the
approach
of
approving
what
we
actually
finish
in
the
cds
and
permit
docs.
E
As
that
finishes
up,
it
allows
us
to
then
bid
it
appropriately
with
the
actual
scope
that
we're
going
to
install
and
that'll
take
place.
As
tim
mentioned
soon
as
we
get,
those
documents
are
able
to
fit
it
out.
Permit
it
concurrently-
and
I
imagine
we'll
we'll
start
before
the
end
of
the
first
quarter
right,
but
if
we
phase
and
do
an
early
gmp
on
some
of
the
the
demolition
and
earth
work,
we'll
start
the
24
months.
F
I
It
sort
of
overlaps
with
another
agenda
item,
but
mr
delk
mentioned
that
you
know
this
coachman
waterfront
park
is
the
park
and
the
park
that
matches
the
resources
and
does
not
include
the
library
and
the
bridge
and
so
down
on
our
agenda.
We're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
library
which
is
6.4
million.
So
if
we've
got
you
know,
we've
got
a
55
million
dollar
park
here,
plus
10
million
dollars
in
prep
costs
and
all
that
administrative
stuff.
I
A
P
Good
morning,
mayor
council,
sheridan
boyle
sustainability
coordinator,
so,
as
the
city
manager
said,
we
thought
it
best
to
go
over
a
few
terms
that
are
frequently
used
within
a
sustainability
and
resilience
context
to
make
sure
we
are
all
on
the
same
page.
So
I
will
briefly
go
over
these
12
terms,
and
I
also
wanted
to
provide
a
short
update
on
the
clearwater
green
print
update
process,
which
I
will
do
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
P
So,
to
start,
we
have
the
word
sustainability.
This
word
can
be
used
in
a
variety
of
contexts,
from
business
plans
to
supply
chain
reports
and
more.
However,
in
regard
to
our
own
communities
and
their
development,
we
look
to
the
1987
united
nations
definition
of
sustainability
as
meeting
the
needs
of
the
present,
without
compromising
the
ability
of
future
generations
to
meet
their
own
needs.
P
P
P
P
So,
while
sustainability
is
primarily
focused
on
what
we
can
do
now
to
positively
impact,
the
future
resilience
is
focusing
is
focused
on
improving
our
response
to
challenges
in
the
here
and
now,
as
well
as
those
of
the
future.
P
And
while
mitigation
is
often
used
within
a
sustainability
context,
adaptation
is
used
as
a
tool
of
resilience.
So
it
is
the
action
of
adjusting
a
system
in
response
to
an
actual
or
expected
climactic
stimuli
and
the
resulting
impacts.
So,
as
discussed
on
the
previous
side
slide
about
resilience,
adaptation
focuses
on
the
now
and
the
future.
As
an
example
of
adaptation.
Now
we
could
look
to
the
use
of
living
shorelines
to
decrease
the
effects
of
storm
surge
while
an
example
of
adaptation
in
the
future
would
be
to
build
all
critical
infrastructure.
P
P
P
A
term
that
may
be
simpler
to
define
is
renewable.
In
order
for
something
to
be
considered
renewable,
it
must
have
the
ability
to
continually
be
used
without
the
risk
of
depletion,
so
there
are
six
common
forms
of
renewable
energy.
Many
people
are
familiar
with
wind
and
solar,
but
are
less
familiar
with
the
other.
Four
hydropower
is
the
most
commercially
developed
form
of
renewable
energy.
It
involves
capturing
kinetic
energy
of
moving
water
and
converting
that
energy
into
electricity.
P
This
process
happens
on
a
hydroelectric
dam
on
a
river,
tidal
energy
utilizes,
the
twice
daily,
tidal
currents
of
the
ocean
to
drive
turbine
generators,
geothermal
energy,
utilizes,
extremely
hot
water.
Under
the
surface
of
the
earth
to
generate
electricity
and
provide
other
heating
and
cooling
applications,
most
geothermal
reservoirs
actually
occur
in
the
western
portion
of
the
country
and
finally,
biomass
energy,
and
which
is
the
conversion
of
solid
fuel
made
from
plant
materials
that
or
plant-based
carbon-based
materials
that
decompose
without
oxygen
present,
and
they
convert
that
into
electricity.
P
P
P
Carbon
sequestration
naturally
occurs
through
the
biological
process
of
photosynthesis
in
plants
in
which
a
plant
takes
in
carbon
dioxide
and
stores
that
carbon
and
its
own
biomass,
artificial
methods
of
carbon
sequestration
are
developing
in
which
a
carbon
capture
system
is
installed
on
an
industrial
facility
and
that
carbon
is
then
stored
in
a
reservoir
rather
than
released
into
the
atmosphere.
So
we're
seeing
this
happen
more
and
more
with
our
larger,
like
oil
companies,
shells
specifically,
and
then
we're
also
seeing
it
with
the
cement
industry.
P
Energy
efficiency
is
the
method
of
reducing
energy
consumption
by
using
less
energy
to
perform
the
same
task,
it
can
be
achieved
by
improving
building
design
and
an
example
here
would
be
designing
a
building
where
you
can
maximize
the
use
of
natural
light,
rather
than
using
electricity
to
generate
light.
Another
method
of
energy
efficiency
is
the
innovations
and
technology.
P
P
P
P
The
environmentalists,
on
the
other
hand,
may
think
of
green
space
only
as
a
preserve
or
an
area
with
a
large
ecological
function,
and
while
we
on
the
municipal
side
of
things
generally
define
green
space
as
any
vegetated
area
within
an
urban
environment,
so
this
can
be
a
recreation
field.
Park
preserve
empty
field
or
even
some
municipalities
classify
green
space
as
a
cemetery.
P
P
So
biodegradable
is
a
label
we
see
on
a
variety
of
products,
something
is
biodegradable
when
it
is
capable
of
being
broken
down
into
harmless
products
by
the
action
of
living
things
meaning
microorganisms
over
time.
However,
there
is
no
definite
timeline
in
which
a
material
must
be
broken
down
by,
in
order
for
it
to
be
considered
biodegradable.
P
Compostable,
on
the
other
hand,
is
more
specific
in
order
for
a
product
to
be
labeled
compostable,
it
must
be
capable
of
being
broken
down
into
harmless
products
by
the
action
of
living
organisms
in
a
composting
environment
within
90
days.
Composting
can
happen
in
two
ways:
in
a
backyard
system
or
in
a
commercial
facility.
P
P
So
that's
it
for
our
terms.
As
I
mentioned,
I
wanted
to
provide
a
brief
update
on
the
clearwater
green
print
update
process.
We
are
working
with
the
firm
wgi
to
fine-tune
the
next
clearwater
green
print
update.
They
will
be
conducting
a
feasibility
analysis
for
our
strategies
and
we
will
be
working
to
incorporate
more
measurable
goals.
So
the
plan
in
its
essence
is
retaining
very
similar
form.
We're
going
to
still
have
the
same
eight
topic
areas
that
are
the
main
priority
for
us
to
reduce
our
greenhouse
gases.
P
We
are
working
with
wgi
to
incorporate
more
measurable
goals
in
those
existing
strategies,
as
well
as
provide
update
over
the
last
nine
years
of
where
we're
at
both
as
a
city
and
as
a
global
community.
When
it
comes
to
greenhouse
gases,
we
also
are
going
to
be
looking
at
some
of
the
plans
that
have
come
out
in
our
neighboring
communities
over
the
last
nine
years
that
weren't
available
when
greenprint
was
first
created
in
2011,
because
it
was
ahead
of
its
time
and
make
sure
that
we
are
also
producing
and
updating
a
plan.
I
I
have
just
a
comment
I
have
about
the
term
green
space,
because
I
know
that
that's
a
sensitive
one-
and
I
think
from
my
understanding,
is
when
we
have
a
conversation
with
an
audience
or
a
you
know
a
resident
or
anyone
when
we,
when
we
are
sitting
down
and
having
a
conversation
about
green
space
with
someone
at
the
onset
of
that
conversation,
we
need
to
come
to
an
agreement
with
whomever
we're
speaking
with
about
what
is
the
definition
of
green
space
as
we
engage
in
this
conversation,
because
when,
when
you
mentioned
any
vegetated
area
within
an
urban
environment
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
know
our
wreck
spaces
or
if
we
talk
about
a
ballpark,
it
doesn't
include
the
clubhouse
or
anything
that
has
concrete
the
parking
area.
I
So
when
we
say
we
have
this,
this
much
acreage
of
parks
and
rec
or
whatever
we,
whoever
we're
talking
with,
we
need
to
understand.
Does
that
mean
things
that
have
vegetation
or
does
it
mean
rec
centers,
or
does
it
mean
trees
or
are
we
excessive?
Does
it?
Is
it
flood
zone
or
wetlands
that
are
protected,
that
we
can't
access?
So
I
just
I
think
it's
I'm
glad
you
discussed
the
nuance
of
it
and
that
I
think
it's
dependent
on
it's
incumbent
upon
whoever
has
that
conversation
to
have
an
understanding.
F
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
you're
right.
I
think
she
did
say
that
there's,
like
three
definitions,
you
know
you've
got
the
municipal
thing,
so
I
mean
if
we're
talking
about.
F
If
we
are
talking
about
peop
with
people
about
green
space
yeah,
I
think
we
ought
to
affirm
right
up
front
okay.
This
is
the
position
of
the
city.
Is
this
and
then
you
know
you
may
have
a
leaning
toward
one
way
or
another,
but
I
think
that
would
help
to
establish
ground
before
you
get
too
far
into
it.
Yeah
and.
G
You
go
three
miles
north
you're
at
the
landings
which
we've
had
the
discussion
on
on
whether
you
know
what
if
and
like
I
said,
I
want
to
be
a
golf
course
forever.
If
it's
economically
viable,
if
it's
not,
we
need
to
find,
you
know,
decide
what
we're
going
to
do.
But
then
you
go
another
two
miles
up
from
that.
You've
got
the
parcel
of
land
that
the
city
of
dunedin
and
the
county
are
talking
about
buying,
which
will
be
a
great
nature.
G
You
know
nature
preserve
because
that's
a
piece
of
land
that
has
never
had
anything
on
it
so
and-
and
we
also
have
to
remember
that
when
you're,
a
resident
of
clearwater,
you're,
a
resident
of
pinellas
and
your
tax
bill,
a
third
of
that
goes
to
the
county
and
the
county
pays
for
those
parks.
So
those
parks
are
yours
as
much
as
clearwater
parks
are
so
you
know,
then
you
then
it
becomes.
G
How
much
is
too
many?
How
much
is
enough
and
and
how
much
is
too
much
you
know
so,
and
I
support
100
percent
the
county
and
hopefully
the
county
and
dunedin
being
able
to
work
out
the
that
property,
because
you
know
do
we
need
that
you
know
do
we
do
we
need
that
much
in
a
five
mile
span?
G
G
A
I
want
us
to
ultimately
take
a
position
on
what
we
define
as
green
space,
so
that
when
we
talk
to
people
we
can
give
them
the
definition
and
then,
after
that,
I
want
us
to
go
a
step
further
and
decide
some
parameters
on
what
we
think
is
appropriate
for
the
city,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
disagreement
about
a
what
is
green
space
with
the
landings
and
b.
How
much
is
enough?
A
The
next
item
that
we're
looking
at
we're
potentially
going
to
have
another
parcel
that
we're
going
to
add
to
our
inventory
and,
as
has
been
said
during
that
whole
process,
with
landings
over
the
last
20
years,
we've
added
significant
green
space
to
the
city's
inventory
and,
as
councilmember
hamilton
pointed
out,
you
know.
I
Well,
I
think,
if
we're,
if
we're,
I'm
all
in
favor
of
that
having
a
working
definition
that
we
can
agree
on,
I
would
you
know
hope
that,
like
mr
hallios
and
sheridan
could
work
together
on
that,
and
you
know,
perhaps
we
could
offer
some
suggestions
on
different
categories.
So
again,
as
I
mentioned,
if
we're,
if
we're
talking
about
how
many
acres
of
park
land,
how
many
acres
of
green
space
check,
whether
it's
accessible
to
the
public,
do
you
have
to
pay
to
enter?
I
How
much
of
the
acreage
associated
with
a
park
area
is?
You
know
asphalt
and
parking
and
a
and
a
rec
center
versus
you
know
the
surrounding
footprint
of
that.
So
just
so
it's
real,
transparent
and
very
clear,
because
you
know
I
tend
to
think
of
green
space
as
more
anything
with
vegetation
on
it
in
an
urban
area,
and
so
you
know
that
doesn't
include
all
the
park
acreage
that
we
have
because
we'd
have
to
subtract
some
things.
We'd
have
to
subtract
parking,
lots
and
buildings,
and
you
know
things
like
that.
A
A
P
So
for
me,
I
think,
and
as
I
mentioned
in
the
presentation,
renewable
energy
usually
gets
most
of
the
attention
right
because
it
does
not
involve
a
behavior
change
or
sacrifice
on
our
part
where,
ultimately,
I
do
think
we
really
need
to
focus
on
energy
reduction
and
energy
efficiency
and
then
couple
it
with
renewable
energy,
because
every
energy
right
now
does
have
consequences
in
the
fact
that
something
is
being
used
converted
to
something
else.
It's
just.
P
It's
almost
a
like
a
law
of
nature
in
that,
when
you
use
something
it
has
consequences
so,
depending
on
the
form
of
energy
that
you're
looking
at
those
consequences,
can
vary
and
they're
byproducts
and
severity
of
those
byproducts.
So
it
is
true
for
batteries
whether
they
be
for
solar
energy
or
for
electric
vehicles.
They
do
come
from
finite
resources,
materials
that
are
usually
extracted
in
other
countries.
P
However,
as
the
system
is
developing,
we
are
having
more
and
more
opportunities
for
recycling
of
those
finite
resources
that
is
both
economical
because
we're
having
it's
cheaper
to
produce
something
from
recycled
material
rather
than
those
virgin
finite
resources
and
precious
minerals
from
other
countries.
But
then
it's
also
that
we
have
more
control
of
the
process
because
it's
in-house
and
we
can
recycle
those
materials
domestically.
So
I
know
we
did
have
one-on-ones
with
dory
larsen
recently
to
discuss
some
of
those
products,
and
she
even
mentioned
that,
for
instance,
like
tesla
with
their
electric
vehicles.
A
A
Acid
sulfuric,
acid,
nitric,
acid,
hydrogen,
fluoride,
trichloroethylene,
acetone,
silicone
dust,
it's
pretty
significant,
a
lot
of
the
bad
stuff
is
on
the
front
end.
It
is
great
that
a
lot
of
the
efficiency
seems
to
be
increasing
over
time
and
the
longevity
of
some
of
the
solar
panels
and
whatnot,
but
it
is
not
without
issues.
P
P
P
Want
to
reduce
both
carbon
dioxide
as
things
decay
is
a
natural
process.
You
know,
and
the
amount
of
carbon
dioxide
that
is
released
from
a
banana
peel
breaking
down
your
backyard,
isn't
considerable
to
the
amount
of
carbon
dioxide
that's
generated
when
you're
like
burning
coal.
There
are
different
levels
of
that.
A
Okay
and
then
are
we
going
through
any
of
the
information
on
the
gas
system,
or
was
this
just
provided
for
our
edification.
A
I
Bachmann,
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
you
know
it
is
true
that
there
are
some.
You
know,
we're
learning
about
the
process
for
sona
solar
panels,
and
you
mentioned
that
it
can
be
pretty
caustic
chemicals
that
are
involved,
but
you
know
there's
also,
first
of
all,
as
an
industry,
it's
pretty
much
in
its
infancy
and
and
there's
all
sorts
of
ingenuity
and
development
in
how
to
recycle
those
panels
and
and
how
to
produce
them
more
efficiently.
And
so
you
know
I
would
I'm
very
hopeful
about
that
particular
industry.
I
And
then
you
know
when
we
talk
about
caustic
chemicals
with
fracking,
where
we
get
our
natural
gas.
That's
certainly
you
know
incredibly
detrimental
to
the
you
know,
to
the
environment
and
to
our
health,
and
so
you
know
that's
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
account
as
well,
but
I'm
really
hopeful
on
the
solar
panel
and
battery
storage
and
and
and
people
reusing,
those
and
being
and
developing
a
whole
new
industry
and
use
for
those
things.
A
I
One
last
thing,
though,
about
that
document
that
was
attached,
so
that's
struck
me
the
questions
that
I
had
submitted
about
the
gas
company,
so
it
caught
me
a
little
off
guard
that
it
was
on
the
agenda
today.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
future
work
session
item
to
talk
more
about
the
gas
company
and
our
responsibilities
and
function,
and
all
that
is.
A
Took
it
off
our
philosophy,
discussion
to
have
as
a
separate
standalone
item
along
with
the
advisory
boards?
Okay,
council
member
hamilton.
G
I
think-
and
I
I
agree
that
you
know
technology
today
and
you
know
working
on
the
on
the
new
technologies
for
renewable
and
everything
else
are
great,
but
I
think
I
I'm
I'm
an
old
school
guy
and
I'm
in
a
I'm,
an
economics
guy.
I
also
recognize
I
I
have
family
and
friends
that
are
in
the
business.
G
The
technological
advances
in
the
old
and
old
businesses
is
just
as
great
I
mean
contra.
Yes,
we
had
a.
We
had
the
deepwater
horizon
issue
in
the
gulf
first,
one
we've
had,
but
the
technology
of
exploration
today
is
so
much
better
and
so
much
more
advanced
than
it
was
50
years
ago.
You
know,
and
you
know,
you're
talking
from
an
economic
standpoint.
You
know
oil
and
natural
gas
oil,
natural
gas,
employ
the
the
industries
of
oil
and
natural
gas
employ
somewhere
between
10.3
and
10.5
million
americans.
G
That's
a
significant
number
and
they're,
not
low-paying
jobs,
and
you
know
that
it's
also
responsible.
According
to
the
information
I
have
responsible
for
somewhere
between
eight
and
ten
percent
of
our
gross
national
product,
that's
economics
that
if
you
try,
if
you
eliminate
that
we
got
a
lot
bigger
problems
than
renewable
energy,
so
you
know
it's
there's,
there's
positives
and
negatives
to
everything,
so
you
know
to
be.
I
have
all
you
know.
I
absolutely
agree
with
moving
forward
techno
technology
making
advances
and
inventing
new
things.
G
That's
what
this
country's
been
made
on,
but
I
don't
want.
I
don't
lose
sight
of
what
we
need
to
have
too.
We've
got
to
have
certain
things,
so
you
know
that's
just
that's
the
world
I
live
in.
I
don't
live
in,
rainbows
and
unicorns
are
going
to
solve.
The
world
are
going
to,
you
know,
save
the
world,
so
you
know
you've
got
to
have
an
economic
engine.
You've
got
to
be
able
to
generate
things,
to
pay
the
bills
and
and
and
employ
people.
So.
P
One
of
the
things
that
might
help
guide
this
conversation
further
is
so
from.
We
have
two
two
overarching
things
right:
sustainability,
resilience,
sustainability.
When
we
talk
about
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
renewable
energy
is
brought
up
a
lot
resilience
in
my
mind
when
it
comes
to
energy.
Is
diversification,
so
don't
put
all
your
eggs
in
one
basket.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
as
a
community,
if
a
disruption
happens
somewhere
on
an
energy
grid
or
an
energy
chain
somewhere
that
we
have
other
forms
of
energy
to
help
us
retain
our
essential
functions.
H
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
it's
not
unicorns
or
rainbows
that
are
causing
earthquakes
in
texas
and
other
midwestern
states
from
fracking.
You
know
it's
these
dangerous
chemicals
that
get
injected
into
the
ground
and
destroy
people's
homes
and
and
cause
them
great
harm.
Yeah
things
things
are,
I'm
not
saying
we
shut
it
down,
but
we
we
do
need
to
be
thinking
toward
the
future
and
and
not
trying
to
find
just
the
negatives
about
solar
and
wind
power,
but
to
realize
that
there
are.
A
B
Approve
a
contract
for
purchase
of
1.4,
acre,
more
or
less
parcel
of
land
located
at
hoyt
avenue
by
the
city
of
clearwater
of
certain
real
property
owned
by
intra
urban
investments.
Llc
with
a
purchase
price
of
290
000
and
total
expenditures
not
to
exceed
296
thousand
dollars.
Authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
same
together
with
all
other
instruments
required
to
affect,
closing
and
transfer
funds
from
open
space
impact
fees
and
recreation,
land
impact
fees
to
cip,
315-93133
parkland
acquisition
in
a
first
quarter
budget
amendment,
mr
allen,.
N
N
This
meets
our
standard
with
property
acquisition
of
being
contiguous
and
advantageous
to
adding
into
our
inventory.
As
you
can
see
from
the
picture
from
the
property
appraiser's
office,
this
is
adjacent.
This
property
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
current
practice
field,
that's
utilized
by
the
clearwater
chargers.
So
there
is
a
multitude
of
opportunity
for
us
to
be
able
to
utilize
this
piece
of
property
for
the
same
or
other
recreational
purposes,
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
G
Hamilton
a
couple
questions
first,
I
think
hoyt
avenue
that's
a
great
name
for
sure,
but
the
the
parcel
itself,
according
to
the
the
photograph,
the
aerial
photograph
has.
P
K
N
N
No
typically,
there
already
is
the
that
one
egress
and
ingress
off
of
moss
avenue.
N
So
we
wouldn't
look
to
put
another
one,
especially
because
of
the
way
that
I
would
enter
in
off.
The
property
is
not
really
direct
access
into.
You
know,
usually
in
that
neighborhood
it's
util
utilized
to
access
the
the
ring
wilson
trail
that
reverses
the
back
of
the
property.
So
we
wouldn't
particularly
look
to
have
someone
just
come
in
directly
to
an
athletic
feed.
N
Yeah,
if
you
the
west,
is,
could
be
actually
that
is
part
of
k-pop,
because
it's
that
backs
up
right
into
the
neighborhood
over
there.
So
that's
directly
what
you're,
looking
at
it's
k-pop
and
then
also
could
be
portions
of
the
back
of
five
six
and
seven
of
eddie
seymour
over
there.
Okay.
N
N
A
N
N
No,
and
that
could
be
the
you
know,
definite
something
to
look
into,
but
that
is
primarily
going
to
be
utilized
as
a
practice
field,
so
it'll
just
go
into
the
inventory
of
when
practice
times
are
so
traditionally,
when
we
have
tournaments
at
the
softball
fields,
we
try
to
lighten
the
schedule
of
what's
going
on
with
the
chargers
and
vice
versa.
So
that
way
we're
not
overloading
the
area
because,
yes,
parking
is
a
premium
at
that
facility.
N
We
would
have
to
do
an
inventory
of
it,
but
you
know
I
can't
speak
to
that
time.
We'll
have
our
arborist
go
out
there
and
take
a
look.
N
Now
you
know
in
a
lot
of
times
where
we
have
that
issue
in
there
again
we
could
look
to
mitigate
at
another
place
somewhere
else.
You
know,
because
again,
it
would
depend
what's
back
in
there,
but
I
can
tell
you
just
you
know
kind
of
a
lot
of
it
is
brush
and
lower.
You
know
cabbage
palms,
things
of
that
nature
and
the
council
feels
more
comfortable.
N
We
can
always
have
our
arbors
going
go
in
there
and
check
that,
but
that
has
never
been
an
issue
for
us
in
any
of
our
property
acquisitions
that
we've
done
for
open
space
such
as
this.
C
C
Mr
kurtz
is
here
from
engineering
if
you
want
more
details
on
this,
as
well
as
miss
oberne
obermeyer
from
the
from
the
library,
their
library
director,
but
kind
of
the
bottom
line
at
this
point
is
that,
as
we
close
the
chapter
on
the
design
and
prioritization
of
the
park
and
move
towards
the
construction,
the
library
really
doesn't
have
the
role
in
activation
of
the
waterfront.
C
I
will
tell
you
that
the
library
director,
if
you
have
any
questions,
certainly
she's
happy
to
answer
them-
has
been
considering
some
lesser
changes
that
would
re-prioritize
some
of
the
operational
and
customer
service
components
of
the
library
that
I
think,
would
serve
us
very
well,
including
you
know
the
compatibilities
with
our
with
our
new
plan.
C
One
of
those
would
be
the
obvious
which
is
completing
some
of
the
disposition
of
materials
and
opening
up
the
ground
floor
to
more
of
a
customer
service,
oriented
function
on
the
ground
floor
and
having
enhanced
visibility
out
through
the
park
area.
So,
but
beyond
that,
we
recommend
that
that
we
drop
this
project
and
and
and
keep
the
priority
on
the
on
the
waterfront
park.
A
I'm
ready
to
jettison
it
and
that's
no
reflection
on
the
library
system
and
miss
obermeyer
if
you'd
like
to
come
up
and
just
speak
about
some
of
the
things
that
you
still
would
like
to
accomplish
outside
of
this
6.4
million
dollars,.
Q
Jennifer
meyer
library,
director,
yes,
we'd,
still
like
to
make
some
minor
modifications
to
some
areas
of
this
library.
Q
Q
So
that's
we're
working
on
those
details
and
we're
excited
about
it.
So.
Q
I
would
like
to
open
as
soon
as
possible
a
month
so.
Q
G
Yeah
along
that
line,
would
it
make
more
sense,
maybe
to
with
the
holiday
coming
after
everything
else.
Let's
just
basically
put
it
out
there
that
the
library
will,
the
main
library
will
reopen
january,
1
or
short.
You
know
that,
rather
than
try
to
push
it,
you
know
get
it
done
in
two
weeks
where
people
that
are
utilizing
the
other
libraries
with
the
extended
hours
or
kind
of
liking
it
you
know
kind
of
give
them
a
chance.
G
I
K
Typically,
historically,.
Q
F
Yeah,
I
know
we
had
a
referendum
to
do
more
services
in
the
library
to
loosen
things
up
a
little
bit
a
few
years
ago.
One
of
the
things
I
liked
was
to
maybe
bring
in
some
kind
of
a
instant
instead
of
a
non-profit
like
a
starbucks,
or
something
like
that.
You
have
any
plans
like
that
to
have
a
a
little
more
than
you
had
before
with
eating,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
Q
I'm
not
at
the
moment,
because
we
were
kind
of
waiting
for
for
this
renovation
decision,
but
that's
certainly
something
we
can
consider.
F
F
I
I
So
hopefully
we
can
open.
You
know
sometime
in
december.
I
still
am.
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
So
it's
interesting
that
this
is
this
item.
Agenda
item
is
written
in
the
affirmative
and
but
because
it
says,
approve
construction
manager
at
risk
proposal.
For
you
know
the
library,
but
mr
delka's
asking
us
to
not
approve
it.
I
I
And
then
I
just
I
still
need
to
be
clear
financially.
So
in
our
earlier
agenda
item
we
talked
about
approving
scan
stuff
for
55
million
dollars
for
the
park
design
with
modifications,
and
we
approve
that
they're
going
to
go
forward
and
start.
You
know
finalizing
their
drawings,
with
a
total
cost
of
64
million
dollars,
and
now
we
are
going
to
not
approve
this.
It's
going
to
be
written
in
a
you
know,
please
disapprove
or
whatever,
and
so
we
have
6.4
million,
but
I'm
not
sure
where,
where
is
this
6.4
million?
I
C
I
mean
I
wasn't
gonna
I
mean
at
this
point.
You
had
a
project
right,
you
had
not
decided
to
abandon
the
project
or
just
you
know,
to
take
it
off
the
off
the
table.
So
it's,
but
that's
what
we're
here
recommending
for
you
now
is
that
you
take
that
project
off
the
table.
Those
those
dollars
are
are
already.
C
They
are
in
the
the
the
buildable
park
plan
that
matches
your
resources,
that's
where
they
are.
I
I
just
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
that's
that's
where
they
were
and
then
I
think
you
and
I
had
talked
earlier,
mr
delc
about
the
sunk
cost.
That's
been
in
this
library,
construction
and
the
the
meetings
and
the
you
know
the
diagrams
that
are
out
there
as
we
walk
in
in
here.
So
that's
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
so
you
is
that
what.
I
A
M
Is
responsible
for
the
planning
and
implementation
of
our
pavement
management
program?
Air
is
identified
within
this
year's
program.
We're
resurfacing
planner
priority
based
based
off
of
condition
and
geospatial
proximity
to
each
other.
That's
how
I
determine
basically
where
we're
going
to
go
based
off
of
the
funding
that
we
have
given
that
we
have
2.5
million
dollars
for
this
project
that
will
give
us
approximately
10
to
12
miles
of
roadway
and
approximately
three
miles
of
new.
Curb
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
program
or
this
item
itself.
F
Can
I
get
a
list
of
the
projected
roadway
resurfacing
for
this
coming
year
and
once
you
figure
out
what
you're
going
to
do
just
email
that
to
me?
Thank
you.
I
I
get
a
question
about
it's
on
the
bid
tabulation
every
once
in
a
while.
Well,
first
of
all,
I
looked
up
what
dbe
meant,
which
is
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
spreadsheet,
and
so
that
means
disadvantaged
business
enterprise
and
I
just
and
and
from
what
my
little
reading
over
the
weekend
it
it
only
applies
to
u.s
department
of
transportation.
I
Is
that
correct
or
do
you
know,
do
you
know
anything
about
it?
I'm
not
aware
of
that.
Okay
dig
into
it
more!
If
you
like,
okay,
I
just
well,
I
can.
I
can
ask
around
or
find
out
too
and
then,
when
we
have
a
yellow
item
on
here,
when
you
indicate
a
calculation
error,
how
do
we
know
where
that
error
is
or
was
or
how
it
was
fixed?
I
M
Process
typically,
when
any
project
comes
in
is
before
we
certify.
Who
is
the
low
bidder?
We
check
the
math,
because
if
you
send
out
a
spreadsheet
to
various
people,
you
know
inputting
data
into
that
spreadsheet
is
human
error,
so
we
make
sure
that
there's
no
human
error-
and
in
this
case
there
was
most
likely
just
a
computation
error
or
formula
error
in
that
in
that
spreadsheet
itself.
I
But
it
was
minor
enough,
okay
and
then
one
last
question:
there
were
a
number
of
residents
that
complained
about
some
paving
work
in
morningside
meadows
last
year.
This
isn't
the
same
contractor.
M
No,
I
came
to
you
guys
last
year
for
a
similar
request
for
one
year
with
the
option
to
do
for
three
and,
as
you
noted,
the
contractor
did
not
perform
onto
our
liking.
So
we
cut
that
short
and
I'm
back
here
and
we're
back
with
gator
grading
who
worked
our
contract
years
prior
to
that,
so
I'm
confident
with
with
their
product
and
how
they
administratively
handle
business.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
We
will
reconvene
the
work
session,
we
are
on
item
5.1.
B
Approved
the
fort
harrison
avenue
complete
street
study
final
report,
a
complete
streets
concept,
plan
for
fort
harrison
avenue
from
bellerin
road
to
north
myrtle
avenue,
authorized
transmittal
to
forward
pinellas
and
other
jurisdictions
for
the
completion
of
the
ford
pinellas
complete
streets
grant
program
agreement
which
was
approved
via
resolution
19-0-9
and
adopt
resolution.
20-37
miss
metzky.
S
Good
morning,
lauren
matzke
planning
and
development,
so
today
we're
going
to
present
the
concepts
for
the
fort
harrison
avenue
corridor
as
part
of
the
latest
complete
streets,
content
planning
effort.
Hdr
engineering
was
a
consultant
for
this
project
and
that
was
funded
in
part
by
a
grant
from
forward
pinellas
we've
had
our
one-on-ones,
so
today
I've
invited
mark
suarez,
who
is
the
project
manager
from
hdr,
to
review
the
plan
recommendations,
and
then
we
can
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
T
All
right
good
morning,
sorry,
I'm
gonna,
let
my
glasses
unfog
for
a
second,
so
I
can
actually
see
good
morning
to
all
of
you.
This
was
a
really
exciting
project
for
us
to
work
on
with
hdr
we've
been
working
on
it
for
the
past
year
and
a
half
or
so,
and
excited
to
get
your
your
input
today.
T
So
the
first
part
is
the
complete
streets.
I'm
sure
you've
heard
plenty
about
what
a
complete
street
is
and
all
of
the
recommendations
that
we've
presented
in
this
planning
study
are
consistent
with
the
clearwater
complete
streets
implementation
plan.
T
Now
the
each
of
these
design
strategies
provides
their
own
unique
benefit
to
enhancing
a
complete
street,
but
working
together
in
tandem,
actually
helps
to
get
you
the
most
complete
street
that
you
can.
We
also
looked
at
demonstration
projects
versus
permanent
installation
projects.
A
demonstration
project
can
be
done
with
less
money,
maybe
just
paint
test
it
out,
see
how
it
goes,
and
then
a
permanent
installation
is
just
your
typical
kind
of
construction,
design
and
construction
project.
T
Here's
some
examples
of
intersection
bulb
outs
that
were
used,
use,
delineators
and
painted
corners
to
bulb
out
the
intersection
and
give
pedestrians
more
space
when
waiting
to
cross,
there's
also
an
example
of
a
permanent
installation.
In
this
photo,
you
actually
see
how
the
the
drainage
features
were
able
to
be
maintained
with
the
permanent
installation.
So
there's.
T
Making
things
as
efficient
as
possible,
so
the
project
recap
again.
We
did
this
study
from
bel
air
to
myrtle
about
3.2
miles
some
of
the
features
along
the
some
of
the
destinations
along
this
corridor,
as
you
know,
include
the
seminal
boat
ramp,
the
library
and
access
to
the
beach,
as
well
as
morton
plant
hospital.
T
T
We
also
had
some
public
engagement,
so
we
had
a
tent
set
up
at
the
blast
friday
event
right
before
the
pandemic
started
back
in
february,
we
actually
spoke
and
reached
to
about
300
people.
During
that
event,
a
lot
of
them
were
excited
to
go
to
listen
to
the
music
at
this
stage,
but
we
gave
them
pamphlet
and
talked
to
them
briefly
on
that
on
what
the
project
entails.
T
They
also
helped
fill
out
this
visioning
future
visioning
for
for
fort
harrison
and
the
words
that
appear
on
this
vision
cloud,
the
larger
the
word,
the
more
it
was
used,
so
safe
is
right
there
in
the
middle
and
some
of
the
other
ones.
Vibrant
landscaping
are
some
of
the
the
key
takeaways
there.
We
also
had
an
online
public
survey
that
was
up
and
open
for
three
weeks
around
that
same
time
it
was
only
five
minutes
to
complete
and
we
had
131
total
participants
there
and
moving
on
to
the
planning
level
in
concepts.
T
We
when
we
first
got
started
with
the
project
we
segmented
the
project
into
three
segments,
but
then
that
first
segment
we
broke
into
two
further
segments
segment,
1a
and
1b,
and
this
transition.
This
segment
break
was
due
to
the
number
of
lanes
at
that
location
at
bellevue
segment.
One.
We
had
goals
that
we
went
through
with
the
envisioning
team
that
improved
multimodal
connections
across
the
corridor
and
into
downtown
and
create
a
gateway
into
the
city
and
downtown
for
segment.
Two.
T
We
use
street
space
to
create
a
welcoming,
livable
and
economically
vibrant,
downtown
and
then
segment
three,
the
old
bay
and
north
marina
area.
We
wanted
to
beautify
the
streetscape
to
attract
investment
and
development
to
achieve
future
land
use
visions
so
I'll
quickly
go
through
some
of
the
segments
and
their
existing
characteristics,
as
well
as
the
recommendations
that
came
out
of
this
study.
So
segment
1a,
as
I
mentioned,
is
the
four-lane
section
at
the
southern
end
of
the
study
area.
T
Now,
in
this
segment
we
were
tasked
to
look
at
the
potential
for
a
lane
elimination
to
be
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
study
area
section
of
fort
harrison.
So
we
did
look
at
traffic
and
this
was
pre-pandemic
traffic.
So
we
looked
at
that
and
from
the
adt
numbers.
This
is
a
good
candidate
for
a
lane
elimination
and
it
also
brings
consistency
to
the
corridor.
T
We
also
looked
at
future
trail
connections
near
bel,
air
back
over
to
the
west,
to
the
pinellas
trail
and
also
at
woodlawn
for
median
refuge
island
crossing
protected
crossing
there.
T
The
section
segment
1a
ended
at
bellevue,
and
that's
that's
the
road
diet
section.
You
see,
got
a
couple
clicks
here.
So
each
of
these
icons,
the
the
two
icons
that
have
the
crosswalk
symbol:
that's
a
median
refuge
crossing
that
we're
proposing
or
planning
for,
and
then
the
the
paintbrush
there
is
the
potential
for
an
enhanced
intersection
at
bellevue.
T
So
this
is
the
typical
section
for
that
existing
four-lane
section
of
fort
harrison
avenue
and
what
we
did
was
kind
of
shifted
the
road
to
the
west.
In
this
case,
it
helped
with
some
of
the
curvature
and
also
only
impacted
the
one
side,
which
is
a
is
a
nice
hopeful.
You
know,
cost
savings
or
looking
at
cost
to
keep
the
cost
down.
T
Also
in
these
sections,
they
do
have
curb,
there's
a
potential
to
maintain
the
curb,
but
I
know
there's
maybe
some
other
projects
coming
along
the
way
as
well,
that
may
disrupt
it
and
there's
an
example
of
a
median
refuge
island
with
the
rfbs
that
we're
proposing
segment.
1B
is
from
bellevue
to
chestnut,
and
this
is
already
the
three-lane
section,
with
pretty
good
sidewalks
on
both
sides,
limited
right-of-way,
to
do
much
with
one
key
improvement
area
that
we
wanted
to
do.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
we
addressed
in
the
visioning
team.
T
T
On
the
on
the
east
side,
only
a
four
foot
minimal
bike
lane,
but
then
it's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
trail.
So
most
people
are
going
to
just
use
the
trail
there,
so
we
thought
we
could
use
that
bike
lane
to
provide
an
additional
buffer
to
traffic
and
the
trail,
and
I
think
that's
on
the
next
slide.
T
So
you
see
the
bike
lane
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen
with
a
trail
or
wide
sidewalk
also
adjacent
to
it,
and
so
we,
what
we
want
to
do
is
just
move
that
curve
in
and
provide
that
buffer
all
right
segment,
two
in
the
downtown
core,
already
a
pretty
pedestrian
friendly
environment
in
this
area.
But
there
are
some
opportunities
that
we
can
go
through
here.
T
So,
in
addition
to
the
refuge
islands
that
we've
shown
here
at
franklin
park
and
hendricks
and
some
enhanced
intersection
opportunities,
there
isn't
an
option
to
take
away.
The
left
turn
lane
not
the
left,
turn
movement
necessarily
right.
You
can
still
turn
left
from
the
through
lane,
but
take
away
the
lane
onto
cleveland
street
from
so
coming,
southbound
going
left
onto
cleveland
street
and
at
that
northwest
corner
of
that
intersection.
There's
a
some
high
curb
that
could
be
tripping
hazard,
there's
not
a
lot
of
sidewalk
space
for
that
important
corner.
T
So
you
know
there
was
some
discussion
as
far
as
trade-offs,
but
we
feel
confident
at
least
to
present
it
here
as
an
alternative
there's
also.
I
know
it's
closed
down
right
now
with
some
with
some
cones
out
there.
So
you
know
there's
potential
to
test
that
out
without
committing
to
a
construction
project
in
the
future
as
well.
T
T
So
here
between
court
and
pierce,
there's
a
similar
opportunity.
There's
right
now,
there's
delivery
trucks
that
are
kind
of
delivering
from
the
center
turn
lane
they
have
to
cross
the
road.
Then
you
have
a
drop-off
zones
for
the
activities
that
are
there
that
actually
infringe
kind
of
on
the
sidewalk
space.
T
It's
not
really
a
drop
off
lane,
it's
kind
of
cars,
just
kind
of
pull
up
onto
the
sidewalk,
so
that
was
another
opportunity
that
we
saw
during
this
study
and
identified
early
on
as
a
potential
to
eliminate
that
northbound
left
to
provide
a
more
appropriate
drop
off
space.
That
would
be
safer
for
pedestrians
that
are
just
crossing
through
there,
as
well
as
getting
the
delivery
vehicles
outside
the
middle
of
the
road.
T
Pierce
so,
finally,
we
have
segment
three
from
drew
street
to
north
myrtle,
and
this
section
is
wide
and
straight
and
not
a
bunch
of
activity
going
on
right
now,
so
we
noticed
some
some
some
speeding
issues,
so
we
we
pulled
out
the
playbook
of
what
speed
management
criteria.
Fdot
is
utilizing
right
now,
which
one
of
them
is
horizontal,
deflection
or
chicaning,
and
that's
what
that's
what's
presented
here
so,
along
with
some
other
opportunities
for
median
islands.
T
The
the
key
feature
here
is
taking
that
space
for
the
three
existing
three
lanes
and
providing
landscape
islands
on
the
outside
that
deflect
traffic
back
and
forth.
You
know
meeting
all
the
transition
criteria
that
you
would
need
for
a
roadway,
but
this
is
a
way
to
design
to
the
speed
you
want.
Instead
of
putting
a
speed
limit
on
or
trying
to
use
enforcement,
I
mean
this
is
a
way
to
try
and
get
drivers
to
drive
that
speed.
T
So
this
concept
maintains
the
existing
curbs.
So
there
could
be
some
rain
garden
type
situations
in
these
islands,
but
mostly
it's
trying
to
maintain
the
existing
curbs.
Keep
costs
down
without
you
know,
trying
to
relocate
all
the
inlets
and
etcetera.
So
that's
that's.
The
short
ended
short
of
it.
So
any
questions,
questions.
K
G
G
G
I'm
not
sure
is
that
what
we
want
accomplished.
Do
we
not
want
people
riding
bicycles
on
this
on
this
part
of
the
road,
because
the
plans,
I'm
seeing
don't
really
address
bike
lanes
as
much
as
as
previous
complete
street
plans
that
I've
seen
on
other
roads.
T
Yeah
and,
of
course,
there's
limited
right-of-way
right:
we
can
only
fit
so
much
through.
You
know
with
the
right-of-way:
that's
there,
so
in
a
perfect
world
we
would
have
all
the
facilities
and
dedicated
facilities.
I
think
you're
fortunate
with
having
the
pinellas
trail
pretty
close
and
adjacent
to
this
area,
and
I
would
think
that
most
recreational
riders,
you
know,
we've
called
them
before
casual
cruisers.
You
know
just
going
out
for
a
saturday
or
sunday
ride
to
maybe
a
restaurant
or
brunch.
T
We
don't
specifically
have
bike
lanes
called
out,
but
I
would
argue,
the
the
chicaning
and
the
horizontal
deflection
that
will
hopefully
get
drivers
to
drive
the
speed
they're
supposed
to
in
that
area
will,
in
turn,
make
use
as
from
a
pedestrian's
perspective
and
a
cyclist
perspective
more
comfortable.
So
you
know
maybe
not
it's
not
bike
lanes,
but
I
think
we've
improved.
The
the
comfort
level
is
is
an
important
factor.
Okay,.
I
I
echo
I
mean
I
can
understand
council
member
hamilton's
concerns
about
not
seeing
as
many
bike
lanes
and
and
kind
of
steering
people
onto
the
trail,
which
is
fine.
I
use
that
trail.
I
go
that
route
all
the
time,
but
maybe
what
we
could.
What
you
could
consider
think
about
is
signage,
that
would
direct
people
downtown
for
the
restoration
cafe
or
you
know,
restaurants
or
whatever,
because
they
they
need
to
know
that
that
you
know
yeah
and
it's
just
you
know
a
half
a
mile
with
yeah.
T
I
yeah
I
I
totally
agree
there
was
discussion
as
far
as
wayfinding,
not
only
for
bicyclists
but
pedestrians
and
some
of
the
earlier
envisioning
team
meetings,
and
that
was
something
that
I
believe
made
the
final
cut
of
the
report.
So
there's
some
information
there
as
far
as
wayfinding
and
enhanced
weight
finding
for
that.
A
So
I'm
the
party
pooper,
because
I'm
the
one
that
lives
right
next
to
this.
K
A
Actually,
the
one
that
lives
with
all
the
consequences,
and
I'm
not
speaking
for
me
so
necessarily,
but
I
mean
I
remember
when
we
swapped
with
fdot
myrtle
and
fort
harrison
and
all
the
changes
were
made
and
we
were
assured
that
traffic
would
move
better
on
fort
harrison
and
that
it
would
be
safer
for
bicyclists.
A
How
could
you
argue
with
that
right?
That's
what
the
experts
said.
What
it
did
is
it
pushed
a
lot
of
traffic
into
the
neighborhood.
A
Enormous
amount
of
traffic
had
lived
there
for
five
years
prior
to
the
changeover,
and
now
the
traffic
that
goes
through
is
just
extraordinary.
Why?
Because
ford
harrison
doesn't
work?
A
We
went
from
four
lanes
to
three
lanes
with
a
center
turn
lane
and
the
throughput
was
supposed
to
be
the
same,
because
now
no
one
would
be
stopped.
The
problem
is
court
and
chestnut
gives
so
much
precedence
to
east-west
traffic
that
there's
no
room
for
stacking
anymore.
A
Now
people
block
the
intersections
even
outside
a
peak
during
spring
break
I
mean
it
is
much
safer
with,
as
close
as
the
trail
is,
to
move
bikes
over
to
the
trail.
I
think
it's
a
quarter
mile
which,
on
a
bike
is
a
matter
of
seconds
and
now
you
don't
have
as
many
interactions
with
vehicles
going
into
publix
all
the
different
plazas
that
are
on
ford
harrison,
so
there's
a
greater
chance
of
of
an
accident
with
a
bicyclist.
A
So
I
support
all
of
that.
Talk
me
through
again
going
through
segment
going
to
to
bel
air
road.
Where
does
it
go
to
two
lanes
going
southbound?
Is
it
going
to
be
a
through
lane
and
a
left
turn
lane
onto
bel
air.
T
So
here's
that
here's
that
more
detailed
concept-
that's
on
the
screen
now
yeah.
So
it's
a
through
right
now,
the
through
lane
south
to
continue
on
to
fort
harrison
with
a
left
turn
onto
bel
air.
So
it
drops
the
lane
it.
It
doesn't
ever
open
up
to
the
to
the
second
lane
if
that
makes
sense
as
you're
coming
when
you're
coming
southbound
our
traffic
analysis
looked
at
the
segment
of
bel
air
to
bellevue
from
a
segment
perspective,
and
it's
really
pretty
negligible
at
that
intersect.
T
A
T
You
know
they're
all
they're,
all
they're
all
assumptions
and
and
predictions
right,
so
that's
also
assuming
a
certain
percentage
of
growth,
which
I
think
when
we
look
at
this
area,
when
we
look
historically
that
growth
is
actually
kind
of
stagnant
or
from
a
traffic
perspective.
So
you
know,
I
think
it's
if
it's
yeah,
I
guess
I'd,
say
yeah,
it's
a
little
a
little
bit
additional
delay
at
that
intersection
overall
on
average.
So.
A
I'm
not
crazy
about
the
plan.
Personally,
I
don't
mind
it
from
downtown
north
from
drew
street
south,
I'm
really
not
thrilled
about
it.
I
think
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
complaints
once
this
is
done.
I
don't
know
that
it's
going
to
mitigate
all
the
problems
that
we're
concerned
with,
I
am
concerned
with,
and
I
know
you've
talked
to
the
hospital.
A
T
Yeah
and
just
so
so
we're
so
from
a
from
a
traffic
perspective,
nothing,
nothing!
That's
presented
north
of
the
road
diet.
Section
really
has
any
kind
of
meaning
any
change
in
traffic
than
what's
out
there.
Today
I
mean
we're
doing
some
ball
bouts,
we're
doing
some
islands
that
will
help
pedestrians
cross.
T
A
A
Obviously
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
be
a
permanent
closure.
I
know
there's
different
opinions
on
that,
certainly
from
our
staff,
but
eliminating
that
left
turn
lane
there
we
have
reduced
the
routes
that
pierce,
100
and
water's
edge
can
take
and
now
you're
going
to
make
the
through
lane
the
left
turn
lane.
A
G
A
I
T
So
we
talked
about
permanent
versus
demonstration
pilot
type
projects.
None
of
that
has
been
addressed
as
far
as
what
should
be
what
I
think
staff
has
been
talking.
You
know
internally
about
what
they
could
move
forward.
So
again,
any
any
of
a
lot
of
them
can
be
trials.
I
mean
there's
trials
for
any
of
these
options.
You
know,
including
the
left,
turn
lane
idea.
T
So
you
know
there's
trade-offs.
There's
conflicts
with
vehicles
right
now
we
have
conflicts
with
drop-off
zones
and
pedestrians.
We
have
conflicts
with
delivery,
trucks
and
and
traffic
that
are,
you
know
wheeling
packages
across
the
street
in
the
middle
of
the
block.
So
I
think,
there's
always
going
to
be
conflicts.
It's
really
just
a
matter
of
trying
to
to
you
know.
T
U
We
plan
to
look
at
these
ideas
and
incorporate
them
in
the
bigger
picture
infrastructure
replacement
project
in
the
fort
harrison
corridor,
and
so
that
design
will
be
in
the
year
of
21
and
then
construction
in
the
time
range
of
22
to
25.
So
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
to
look
at
some
of
these
options
and
the
first
task
we're
asking
for
our
proposed
consultant,
is
to
look
at
the
best
places
to
do
some
demonstration
projects.
So
we
don't
really
have
details
on
that.
Yet.
A
L
A
B
A
B
Authorize
a
purchase
order
with
wwe
granger
inc
for
the
purchase
of
maintenance,
repair
and
operating
supplies
in
the
initial
not
to
exceed
amount
of
131
250
dollars.
Beginning
december
4th
2020
through
june
30th
2021
with
the
option
for
two
one-year
extensions
in
the
annual
amount
of
225
000
through
june
of
2023
per
clearwater
code
of
ordinances,
section
2.5641
d,
other
government
entities
bids
and
authorize
the
appropriate
officials
to
execute
things
to
guardian.
O
Good
morning,
council
rich
gardner
assistant,
director
of
public
utilities,
this
contract
is
for
the
purchase
of
various
maintenance,
repair
and
operating
supplies
used
in
water
and
wastewater
systems.
It's
a
piggyback
off
of
florida
department
of
management
services
contract.
It's
a
one-year
contract
through
june
2021,
with
an
option
for
two
one-year
renewals.
I'm
asking
for
your
approval
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
O
O
It's
the
discount
we
get,
I
guess
the
vendor
calls
it
a
florida
discount
for
florida,
municipalities
that
piggyback
off
it
we
get
that
discount.
We're.
A
O
R
Appoint
one
member
to
the
environmental
advisory
board
with
a
term
to
expire
october,
31st
2024.,
council
members,
ms
pimley,
who
is
serving
on
the
board,
has
resigned
and
does
not
wish
to
serve
another
term.
You
have
applications
from
sheila
sullivan,
david
farrar,
martin
armstrong,
nils
kushta,
nicholas
pasurb
and
dina
stanley,
erica
escamilla,
glenna,
wentworth,
muhammad
abdul
rahim
and
helen
and
mercury
for
your
consideration.
G
But
I
I
have
no
problem
that
my
the
other
one
that
stuck
out
to
me
was
mr
abdur
rahim,
but
I'm
comfortable
with
miss
footwork
martin
armstrong.
F
Stood
out
to
me,
as
he
was
a
and
a
doctorate
and
environmental
consultant
for
land
development,
but
we
we
got
a
lot
of
people
on
this.
One
attend
applications
got
some
qualified
people.
R
Point
one
member
to
the
nuisance
abatement
board
to
fill
the
remainder
of
an
unexpired
term
through
august
31st,
2023
council
members,
miss
olivetto
had
resigned
since
the
last
meeting
and
we
have
applications
for
jacqueline
sanderfer,
frank,
presid,
prosecnio
and
leslie
coley
for
your
consideration.
A
I
J
G
R
A
Miss
call,
are
we
doing
an
exit
questionnaire
or
I
don't
want
to
say
interview,
but
an
exit
questionnaire
for
board
members.
I
think
that
are
termed
out,
but
also
ones
that
aren't
going
to
continue
on
I'd,
really
like
to
get
that
feedback.
R
Now
that
board
does
meet
at
least
twice
a
year,
although
because
of
covid,
and
also
because
of
the
process,
it
has
been
working.
So
it's
it's
an
on
it's
kind
of
like
the
brownfields
board
it
meets
when
needed.
Do.
R
G
I'm
comfortable
with
I'm
covered
with
either
one,
but
I
think
mr
brown
actually
kind
of
fits
to
me.
You
know
was
the
better
of
the
choice
and
since
it
doesn't
matter,
we
would
have
time
to
replace
him
on
the
nuisance
abatement
board.
I
would
recommend
mr
brown.
A
R
Appoint
one
member
to
the
library
board
with
a
term
to
expire
december,
31st,
2024,
council
members,
miss
folk
had
resigned
and
you
have
applications
from
helen
amberger,
ambergee,
sabina,
solar
and
timothy
proman
for
your
consideration.
J
J
J
G
Now
is
there?
Is
there
any
I'm
not
good
at
reading
legal
contracts
very,
very
much,
but
this
is
a
straight
five
hundred
dollars
one
month,
no
matter
what
there's?
No
you
know
if
the
meetings
take
longer,
there's
an
additional
any
additional
compensation.
J
J
I
think
it's
a
great
deal.
She
has
a
lot
of
patience
with
people
yeah,
and
so
I
think
she
does
well
for
us.
A
Consent,
yeah
8.2
as
the
emergency
proclamation,
any
question
about
that.
That's
groundhog
day
any
questions
on
second
readings
8.3
through
8.9;
nothing,
there
all
right
anything
else.
Mr
horn,
verbal
reports,
no
mayor,
miss
aiken.
A
Okay,
11.1,
I
asked
to
put
on
the
agenda.
I've
been
talking
to
sherry
heilemann
and
she
was
representing
ocean
allies,
as
you
all
are
familiar
with,
and
I
really
liked
you
know,
I'm
concerned
about
the
trash
on
clearwater
beach.
A
I'm
actually
concerned
about
the
trash
all
over
the
city
of
clearwater,
but
we
can
start
on
clearwater
beach
and
I
would
like
to
be
no
pun
intended,
allied
with
ocean
allies,
and
I
would
like
to
increase
some
signage
out
there
to,
hopefully
keep
people
a
little
bit
more
aware.
Hopefully,
keep
people
accountable.
A
There
were
only
two
issues.
I
had
it's
it's
a
fairly
lengthy
message
and
the
attention
span
of
most
of
the
people
going
to
the
beach
is
relatively
short
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I
want
to
make
certain
of
is
that
you
know
we
say
it
in
a
nice
way,
because
that's
come
back
and
bitten
us
in
the
past,
like
when
we
made
it
clearwater's
beach.
J
Do
I
mean
I
know
you
remember
it?
Mr
roberto
was
still
here
and
I
don't
believe
bill
was
oh.
A
It
didn't
go
over
very
well
and
it
was
changed
back.
I
don't
want
to
make
mistakes
like
that
again,
so
I
don't
know
what
your
thoughts
are
on
this,
but
you
know
I
really
would
like
to
have
increased
signage
that
challenges.
People.
I
A
Current
verbiage,
okay,
that
they
like
I
mean
I
would
like
to
have-
welcome
in
front
of
guests
of
clearwater.
First
of
all,
and
also
thanking
people
from
the
city
of
clearwater,
are
the
citizens
of
clearwater
at
the
end,
which
only
adds
more
words.
A
Miss
heiliman
said
that
she
would
let
us
wordsmith
it
and
that
it
could
be
taken
back
to
their
board
for
approval.
I
would
like
to
stay
connected
to
them
because
I
think
that's
beneficial,
but
I'd
also
like
to
get
your
all's
opinion.
H
I
I
I'm
all
about
signs,
as
you
guys
know,
I
spent
my
whole
summer
making
signs
about
getting
out
the
vote
and
empowering
people
and
from
my
experience,
which
is
limited,
but
you
know
it's
it's
about
sending
messages,
positive
messages.
I
I
feel
in
my
heart
that
signs
that
are
created
by
people,
children
that
have
a
homemade
quality,
really
grab
people's
attention.
You
know
if,
and
you
know,
I'm
not
talking
great.
I
You
know,
third
or
you
know
eight
nine
ten
year
olds,
but
maybe
a
little
older,
but
I
think
having
different
signs
throughout
the
beach
is
better
than
just
one
again
and
again
I
I
you
know,
that's
just
my
opinion,
I
think
fewer
words,
but
I
just
think
if
we're
a
family
beach,
if
we
want
to
maintain
you
know
or
promote
that
family
beach,
I
I
think
a
you
know
signs
made
by
children
or
young
adults
or
high
schoolers
or
whatever
would
be
good
with
a
couple
of
different
messages.
I
It's
just
something
to
think
about.
I
don't
know
if
it's
harder
or
not.
I
have
lots
of
contacts
with
sign
making
people
that
I've
discovered.
But
you
know
this.
This
looks
fine,
but
but
I
think
a
personal
touch
is
really
attention-getting,
but
it's
not
uniform,
but
it
is,
it
does
involve
citizens
and
residents,
it
can
be
community
building,
it
can
be
part
of
maybe
place
making.
G
Generic
in
not
just
say
visitors
and
not
say
you
know
this,
I
mean
this
is
anyone
while
they're
on
the
beach-
and
I
think
you
know
the
businesses
on
the
beach
could
if
we
come
up
with
the
right
verbiage
and
and
and
signage,
I
know
you
know
I'd
be
happy
to
put
this
sign
inside
the
pond
pavilion
that
tells
our
customers
who
are
both
local
and
visitors.
G
You
know,
while
you're
here
this
is
what
we
like.
This
is
what
we'd
like
you
to
do.
This
is,
you
know,
be
mindful
of
this
or
whatever,
but
you
know
and
other
businesses
on
the
beach
as
well
up
and
down,
but
I
don't
think
this
should
be
geared
strictly
towards
quote-unquote
tourists.
F
May
have
more
problems
with
our
locals
than
people
that
visit,
but
I
kind
of
agree
with
that.
G
I
mean
signage
doesn't
always
work
great
example
I
love
to
give.
Is
we
have
a
sign,
there's
a
sign
right
in
front
of
the
big
sand
dune
next
to
the
palm
pavilion.
It
says,
state
law
says
you
can't
climb
on
the
sand
dune
in
there,
but
guess
what
there's
paths
up
to
the
top
of
it
and
there's
always
people.
You
know
kids
running
up
and
down
and
everything.
So
you
know
signage
doesn't
always
work,
but
you
know
if
we
can
do
things
to
I
mean
you
could
even
do
a
you
know.
G
H
H
Saying:
okay,
take
this
pledge
with
me.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
won't
read
any
farther
than
that.
You
know
it's
just
okay.
I
don't
have
time
to
read
this
whole
pledge
and
figure
it
out.
A
Well,
I
think
it's
too
long
and
I
don't
think
people
will
read
it.
Unfortunately,
I
mean
that's.
One
of
them
was
my
first
take
I
just
and
there's
always
going
to
be
a
jerk
factor,
which
I
think
goes
to
your
point.
You
can
have
a
sign,
but
there's
going
to
be
two
percent
of
the
public
that
just
it
doesn't
matter,
unfortunately,
they're
going
to
do
whatever
they
darn.
K
A
So
let
me
you
know,
go
back
to
miss
island
and
I'm
gonna
talk
to
joelle
a
little
further,
even
though
she
doesn't
want
to
join
into
this
conversation
right
now,
she's
glued
to
her
chair
and
then
maybe
bring
some
different
ideas
back
to
you.
Does
that
sound
okay,
yeah
all
right
item
11-2
councilmember,
backman.
I
Okay
signs
again,
so
I
I
think
we
got
a
lot
of
positive
reaction
from
the
go
vote
message
on
our
old
city
hall
building,
which
is
not
the
most
attractive
building
from
that
side
on
the
bridge,
and
so
I
thought
it'd
be
nice
to
have
another
message
up
there,
and
so
I
sent
you
all
some
ideas,
just
kind
of
two
word
ideas.
I
Certainly
the
number
of
characters
or
letters
or
spaces
or
yeah
letters
are
longer
than
go
vote.
So
I
don't
know
if
they'd
work,
font
wise,
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
on
board
with
it.
You
know,
but
I
just
thought
I'd
mention
it.
I
think
a
little
positive
energy
up
there
is
is
a
good
thing.
I
Oh
so
like
it,
you
like
it.
Okay,
you
you
had
said
you
know,
I
think,
council
member,
all
britain
just
wanted
people
to
be
kind
again
or
nice
again
or
something
so
but
yeah
and
then
the
invest
here
is
like.
Oh,
I
put
that
on
there.
I
didn't.
I
didn't
share
that
one
with
you
all,
but
you
know
if
we
have
to
do
that.
But
what
do
you
guys
think.
G
Well,
I
think,
to
me:
I
think
the
the
message
needs
to
be
it
has
to
involve
community-wide.
It
can't
be
for
site-specific
events,
type
thing.
G
G
Don't
print
it
just
yet,
but
you
know
those
type
of
things
and
the
go
vote
was
great.
But,
to
be
honest,
you
know
the
people
that
are
gonna
see
that
the
most
are
people
that
live
out
on
the
beach
people
that
live
in
countryside
and
and
morningside.
G
K
G
I
Well,
the
messages
that
I
propose,
so
I
think
these
are
pretty
universal
for
the
whole
community,
so
I
have
like
kindness
matters
moving
forward.
You
matter
treasure
today,
be
kind.
Think
positive,
shine
on
aim
high,
just
imagine
which
is
kind
of
cool.
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
tie
it
in
to
imagine
clear
water,
keep
smiling
and
then
my
least
favorite
invest
here,
but
there
you
go.
I
J
So
our
code
has
a
limit
on
the
kind
of
sign,
the
signage
that
we
can
have
and
we
have
the
authority
for
governmental
signs
governmental
purpose,
so
the
go
vote
is
clearly
a
governmental
purpose
other
than
that
we're
not
allowed
to
have
temporary
signs
on
public
property,
so
miss
clayton-
and
I
just
had
a
brief
discussion
about
that.
So
I
think
you
have
to
be
very
careful
about
what
the
messages
are
in
order
for
them
to
be
a
governmental
purpose.
J
Sign
so
go
vote,
is
I'm
not
sure
be
kind
is,
and
I
just
picked
that
one,
because
I
remembered
that
one
and
I
like
it,
but
we
have
to
focus
on
what
is
the
governmental
purpose?
How.
J
Since
possibly
I
mean-
and
the
decision
on
that
is
the
manager's
decision,
but
we
do
have
to
be
careful
to
avoid
challenges
to
our
whole
sign
code
because
that's
the
consequence.
A
A
B
Well,
I
I
think
the
community
generally
saw
the
public
messaging
related
to
abilities
because
of
spring
training
and
relationships
with
abilities,
and
then
we
were
trying
to
promote
a
tampa
bay
area
support
for
the
lightning
during
the
playoffs.
B
B
You
know
I
mean
who's
going
to
decide
what
those
messages
are,
and
you
know
I
I
I
think
we're
we're
continuing
to
add
more
and
more
things,
and
I
nothing
really
excites
me
about
this
other
than
what
we
have
already
done
going
beyond.
That.
I
think
adds
to
the
complexity
that
that
some
of
you
have
already
talked
about.
I
I
I
mean
this,
isn't
a
do
or
die
issue
for
me,
but
it
just
seems
like
I
think,
people
who
see
those
banners
like
them.
I
think
it
adds
a
little
something
and
it's
no
no
call.
I
mean
the
cost,
isn't
negligible,
I'm
sure
for
a
banner
like
400
bucks,
a
banner
maybe
or
something
I
don't
know.
Oh
no.
I
wasn't.
I
B
No
I'll
do
whatever
the
council
wants
me
to
do,
but
I
I
I'm
just
sometimes
we
don't
need
to
do
something
just
because
we
can
do
it.
You
know,
and
that's
that's
that's
part
of
where
I'm
coming
from
I
mean
we.
We've
already
opened
pandora's
box,
okay
and
it's
it's.
It's
got
a
nice
little
ring
to
it,
because
people
can
kind
of
connect
with
it.
It's
the
issue
is
going
beyond
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
explain
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
going
beyond,
I
mean?
Is
it?
B
A
A
G
What
it
comes
down
to
a
lot
of
times
is
again:
why
can
the
city
do
it?
I
can't
if,
if
I
wanted
to
drop
a
sign
on
the
side
of
the
palm
pavilion
that
said
whatever,
but
it
didn't
have
any
anything
to
do
with
yeah,
it
didn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
palm
pavilion,
but
it
just
a
s,
drop
a
sign
on
the
side
of
the
building.
How
long
would
I
be
able
to
leave
that
up
before
the
city
said?
Hey
you
can't
have
that
because
it
violates.
V
Gina
clayton
planning
and
development
department,
businesses
are
allowed
to
have
four
temporary
signs
and
we
don't
regulate
what
you
can
say
on
those
signs.
So
you
could
put
on
your
business.
A
temporary
sign
that
says
be
kind
and
say
go
raise,
it
could
say
down
with
clearwater
council,
it
could
say
whatever
we
don't
regulate
the
continent.
V
No
limit
on
that
right.
So,
if
you
recall,
we
amended
the
temporary
sign
code
due
to
a
supreme
court
case
what
about
probably
five
years
ago,
four
years
ago
and
in
that
code,
this
is
when
we
codified
the
concept
of
a
government
sign
and,
and
that's
what
we
operate
under
for
our
own
property.
We
don't
allow
temporary
signs
on
governmental
property,
on
publicly
owned
property
or
on
the
right-of-way.
V
So
the
types
of
things
that
constitute
a
government
sign
are
things
that
are
erected
by
an
order
of
a
of
a
public
official
or
a
quasi-public
entity
at
the
local
government
level
and
the
performance
of
its
duties.
The
definition
goes
on,
but
basically
it
says,
including,
but
not
limited
to
wayfinding
non-commercial
signs,
identifying
a
government
building
or
service
traffic
control
signs,
street
name
signs,
warning
signs,
safety,
signs,
informational
signs,
traffic
or
other
directional
signs,
public
notices.
V
But
that's
what
a
government
sign
is,
but,
yes,
all
businesses
and
all
residential
properties
are
allowed
temporary
signs
and
they
can
say
whatever
they
want
to
on
those
signs.
H
I
I
love
the
idea,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
in
in
your
list
that
that
I
thought
worked
well
like
be
kind,
but
to
have
them
up
there
constantly.
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
going
to
be
a
good
idea.
It
was
very
clever
and
important
after
gold
bolts
to
change
it
to
go
votes.
H
I
mean
go
vote,
I
mean
that
was
eye-catching
and
served
a
purpose,
but
if
you
leave
them
up
all
the
time
and
change
them
from
time
to
time,
you
have
to
keep
coming
up
with
something
that
people
are
going
to
want
to
see
or
or
they'll.
You
know
not
just
tune
them
out.
They'll
go
that
message
wasn't
as
good
as
last
one,
so
I
think
they
lose
the
impact.
If
there's
something
up
constantly.
F
F
A
Any
other
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda
for
a
future
discussion
now
all
right
and
with
that
we
are
adjourned.
We'll
see
you
all
thursday
night,
god.