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Well
good
afternoon,
we
will
call
the
special
work
session
to
discuss
the
city
hall
on
august
5th
2020
to
order
because
we
are
using
the
zoom
platform
today.
I
need
to
read
a
quick
disclosure
to
ensure
public
safety
and
comply
with
the
governor's,
safer
home
order
and
respondology
such
as
telephonic
or
video
conferencing,
as
provided
by
section
120.545b2
florida
statutes.
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The
meeting
will
be
held
through
the
zoom
platform
and
will
be
broadcast
live
on
the
city's
website
at
https
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and
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channel
15.
A
So
with
that,
we
have
a
city
manager,
verbal
report
and
we'll
let
mr
horn
stop
start
off
the
conversation.
I'm
sure
everybody
has
their
packets.
B
Thank
you
mayor
council,
yes,
workshop
for
special
meeting
today
is
a
continuation
of
our
discussion
about
city
hall
and
and
the
library
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
mr
dell,
who
has
prepared
a
short
presentation
to
to
get
us
into
focus
on
the
kinds
of
things
that
we'd
like
to
discuss
with.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
bill,
michael
dell
assistant
city
manager.
I
want
to
make
a
couple
of
points
here
before
we
start
off
on
as
bill.
What
bill
indicated,
this
relatively
short
presentation
that
you
know
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
to
try
to
simplify
make
this
a
a
easier
conversation.
Sometimes
it's
kind
of
hard
to
make
things
easy
in
terms
of
the
discussion,
but
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
try.
C
What
I
wanted
to
do
is
to
give
you
some
point
of
reference
structure
on
point
of
reference
for
how
we
can
kind
of
frame
our
discussion.
It
is
not
my
intent
to
be
prescriptive
or
make
a
specific
recommendation
to
you.
Certainly
in
this
case
I'm
a
lot
of
times,
I'm
I'm.
I
certainly
have
a
tendency
to
do
that.
I'm
not
shy
about
my.
You
know
my
professional
recommendations
to
you,
but
that's
really
not
the
point.
Today.
C
We
have
been
through
a
number
of
processes
here
and
with
the
prior
council
some
priorities
in
terms
of
how
our
internal
committee
evaluated
the
sites-
and
you
know
then,
with
the
change
in
council.
I
think
it's
understandable
and
as
often
the
case,
sometimes
those
priorities
change,
but
we
do
have
some
urgent
points
that
are
up
on
us
in
terms
of
decision
making
and
and
our
need
to
move
forward
with
the
park
redevelopment
project.
C
C
I've
attached
here-
and
you
all
have
a
a
copy
of
my
short
powerpoint
today
that
I'm
going
to
go
through,
but
I
also
attached
to
that
what
has
previously
been
provided
to
to
you
from
director
clayton
on
the
the
work
of
the
committee
in
the
background,
so
that
is
reference
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
that
again,
but
if
any
of
your
questions
or
issues
take
us
back
to
that
study,
we'll
have
that
there
for
you-
and
I
know
gina
and
the
committee-
the
group
are-
are
available
to
help
answer
any
questions
about
that.
C
So
let
me
let
me
kind
of
walk
through
this
framework
here
decision
timing
impacts.
I
think
we're
at
obviously
at
a
critical
juncture
as
you're
well
aware
with
regard
to
the
park,
our
gross
maximum
price
for
the
the
work
for
duke
infrastructure
is
coming
up
on
september
3rd
on
september
17th.
C
The
second
maximum
gross
maximum
price
for
the
library
entry
renovations
is
to
is
to
be
agree,
are
started
commenced,
with
a
nine
month,
construction
from
10
1
to
july
of
2021,
so
we're
we're
quickly
moving
into
the
construction
phase
and
so
right
now.
The
most
immediate
concern
is
what
our
contractor
is
charged
with
doing
for
the
library.
C
If
our
decision
is
that
we
do
not
do
that,
then
our
next
really
timing
impact
is
is
no
longer
associated
or
tied
to
the
library
in
the
park
redevelopment,
but
rather
the
decision
making
with
regard
to
our
lease
here
at
600
cleveland
and
then
how
we
proceed
around
a
new
city
fall
facility,
keeping
in
mind
that
we've
got
that
outstanding
lease
that
that
we'll
have
to
either
move
out
when
it's
over
or
negotiate
an
extension
or
sign
up
for
an
additional
five-year,
which
we
already
have
the
the
right
to
take
advantage
of.
C
So
we've
already
negotiated
a
five-year
extension.
If
we
want
something
less
than
that,
then
we'll
be
back
to
renegotiating
so
just
some
kind
of
some
thoughts
in
to
keep
in
mind
again
the
use
of
the
library's
immediate
consequence
due
to
the
design
and
construction
timing,
which
is
certainly
well
underway,
getting
very
close
to
proceed.
C
C
So
I
I
guess
our
first
question
is
that
you
know:
do
we
look
to
the
library
as
a
city
hall
option
or
not?
There
are
some
pros
and
cons
for
that
again.
This
is
not
a
complete
or
exhaustive
list.
These
are
my
attempts
at
helping.
You
really
think
about
how
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
how
we
can
collectively
prioritize.
So
this
is
not
not
a
complete
list
or
there
may
be
some
things
on
here.
C
You
agree
with
or
don't
agree
with
and
we've,
given
you
hard
copies
so
that
you
can
refer
to
that
through
our
meeting
and
and
add
or
delete
anything
from
that
you
want
to,
but
some
of
the
things
that
would
be
advantaged
potentially
that
I
I
thought
of
that
for
the
library
is
the
cost
of
construction.
It's
probably
one
of
our
easiest
or
least
expensive
cost
of
entry
into
a
new
city
hall
is
the
the
renovation
of
the
library
joint
use
facility.
C
So
there's
timing
benefits
to
that.
We
already
have
portions
of
the
facility
design
underway
the
city
hall
library
park,
redevelopment
project
becomes
a
city
hall
library,
slash
park,
so
really
three
projects
become
two:
the
library
stays
put
opportunity,
zone
opportunities
and
what
I'm
thinking
of
there
is
really
related
to
some
of
the
infrastructure.
C
Maybe
parking
is
an
example
that
if
we
have
a
development
partnership
with
somebody
on
the
the
harborview
site
coming
up,
then
that
may
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
partner
with
them
on
some
additional
parking
and
so
on,
to
support
either
library
and
park.
C
The
it
would
increase
the
civic
focus
of
the
bluff.
C
I
mean
housing
once
again:
housing
city
hall
there,
along
with
the
library,
really
retains
that
that
civic
orientation
to
the
bluff
and
the
waterfront
it
could
possibly
have
a
benefit
to
the
expansion
possibilities
at
the
msb
in
terms
of
development
service
center,
and
the
reason
I
mentioned
that
is,
that
we've
considered
in
the
past
discussed
that
it
might
be
an
option
to
pull
in
an
additional
department
or
two
into
the
city
hall
group
that
would
move
into
the
library.
C
If
that's
the
case,
then
it
may
free
up
space
in
the
msb
to
take
a
look.
For
example,
if
we
ever
want
to
bring
back
the
development
service
center
function,
it
allows
maybe
more
latitude
and
flexibility
and
use
of
that
building,
depending
upon
your
perspective,
psta
in
the
city
hall
would
not
be
an
integrated
facility
and
again
that's
based
on
your
individual
perspectives,
and
I
just
reiterate
again:
this
may
be
the
quickest
option
in
terms
of
settling
what
we
want
to
do
with
city
hall.
C
Although
there
are
some
caveats
to
that
and
I'll
talk
about
those
in
a
moment.
By
the
same
token,
there
are
some
disadvantages
short-term
delay
on
on
finishing
up
the
park
library,
construction,
design
process.
There
is
some
cost
to
redesign
the
parking,
or
lack
thereof,
could
be
considered
an
issue.
So
that's
something
that
we
would
have
to
plan
to
address
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
Impacts
on
the
library
and
programming
is
certainly
a
factor:
the
potential
lack
of
support
from
library,
stakeholders
and
citizens.
C
There
could
be
some
concerns
out
there
with
regard
to
that,
and
I
would
put
what
was
all
a
pro,
on
the
other
hand,
could
be
a
a
negative
on
the
on
the
as
well,
by
virtue
of
the
increase
of
civic
focus
of
the
bluff.
I
think
you
know
between
the
the
amphitheater,
the
music
venue
and
the
library
and
possibly
a
city
hall.
Clearly
the
north,
a
third
of
our
park
and
waterfront
property
are,
are,
you
know,
devoted
to
civic
kind
of
uses.
C
So
you
know,
we've
expressed
some
concerns
in
the
past
about
the
extent
of
non-uh
or
civic
components
to
the
downtown
the
downtown
market.
C
C
Some
of
the
reasons
that
you
might
choose
to
do
something
other
than
the
library,
for
example,
might
be
that
a
standalone
municipal
complex
is
a
more
prominent
consideration
in
terms
of
what
the
public
is
looking
for.
What
we
want
to
establish
as
public
place
for
our
municipal
complex.
C
The
impact
on
the
library
programming
is
found
to
be
too
great
that
there
is
potentially
some
symbiotic
relationship
between
the
existing
municipal
functions,
the
msb
and
the
police
department,
and
that
city
hall
should
be
a
component
of
that
civic
space
as
a
as
a
public
or
municipal
complex
could
be
that
we
desire
to
ultimately
have
a
more
highly
integrated
municipal,
complex
with
the
psta
and
a
multimodable
development
options
in
the
future.
Of
course,
we're
always
subject
to
what
the
pending
psta
direction
would
be
on.
That
would
be
beyond
our
control.
C
C
We
may
determine
that
cost
is,
is
in
fact
less
important
than
than
what
we
may
think
it
is
at
this
point.
Timing
may
be
less
important,
so
I
think
you
know.
If
we
look
at
a
at
a
separate
facility,
there
could
be
some
additional
cost
to
that,
and
certainly
an
impact
on
timing
just
for
the
city
hall.
C
That
takes
us
kind
of
back
to
our
need
to
to
deal
at
some
point
with
our
lease
extension
or
renegotiation
here
at
600,
cleveland
and
also
redevelopment
may
be
promoted,
with
adaptive,
reuse
of
the
property
down
along
the
bluff
or
some
of
the
other
areas
and
an
expanded
civic
presence
around
our
municipal
facilities.
C
So
I
would
say
that
if
you
know
if
we
need
to
spend
more
time
with
a
city
hall,
location
analysis,
and
we
want
to
get
deeper
into
the
alternatives,
then
I
think
that's
the
most
immediate
concern
that
I
would
have
is
that
our
library
and
park
redevelopment
project
can
proceed
as
it's
currently
envisioned
and
we'll
we'll
get
started
off
down
that
road
which
we're
already
on
for
any
option
other
than
the
library.
I
think
we
can.
You
know
we
think
there's
a
strong
possibility.
C
The
lease
with
600
cleveland
is
likely
to
be
impacted,
and,
and
mr
maxwell
can
we
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
later
on?
If,
if
it,
if
we
need
to,
if
the
library's
chosen,
the
operational
impact,
I
would
point
out,
will
not
be
known
until
a
preliminary
design
occurs.
C
I
mentioned
six
months
here
as
kind
of
an
outside
date,
worst
case
scenario,
and
if
the
library
ultimately
is
not
chosen,
then
certainly
you
know
our
decisions
on
other
sites
and
the
design
associated
there
with
will
have
been
delayed
somewhat,
and
the
last
thing
that
I
would
like
for
us
to
cover
is
I'd
like
to
be
clear
before
we
walk
you
here
today
walk
away
from
here
today,
and
that
is
what
is
your
expectation
for
process
moving
forward
in
order
to
finalize
these
and
the
matters
related
to
the
city
hall
and
the
completion
of
the
park
redevelopment,
and
I
I
think
about
that.
C
In
terms
of
you
know,
I'm
not
anticipating
that
we
need
to
hire
additional
consultants.
We
seem
to
be
comfortable
in
making
a
lot
of
these
decisions
on
our
own.
C
I
think
that
you
know
whether
or
not
we
have
extensive
public
meetings
and
that
sort
of
thing
how
we
approach
that
from
a
you
know
taking
it
to
the
community
in
terms
of
charettes
or
other
things,
the
planning
for
that
I'm
not
proposing
any
of
that
we're
going
to
follow
your
direction
in
terms
of
what
you
want
to
to
see
us
do
in
order
to
help
get
you
to
a
decision,
so
I
will
end
there.
C
I
think
that
is
the
yes,
the
last
slide,
so
I
offer
these
things
again
as
some
general
kind
of
guidance,
some
starting
talking
points
for
you
to
amend
or
repriori
prioritize.
As
you
see
fit,
and
with
that
mayor,
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
dog.
I
appreciate
some
of
the
questions
that
you're
posing,
because
I
think
going
through
this
decision
tree
will
actually
help
the
council
narrow.
You
know
what
their
vision
is
for
the
future,
and
I
think
we
need
to
do
that.
I
loved
receiving
all
of
the
decision
points
that
have
occurred
over
the
years
with
the
history
of
city
hall's
replacement.
A
Having
lived
through
a
lot
of
those,
I
think
the
newer
council
members
can
see
how
often
that
can
has
been
kicked
down
the
road
oftentimes,
because
the
priority
just
wasn't
city
hall,
something
else
bubbled
up
that
was
more
important
to
the
leadership
that
we
pay
for,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
cupboards.
That
was
always
rated
in
penny
for
pinellas
to
pay
for
something
else,
and
I
see
mr
horn
chuckling
at
that,
because
you
know
you
look
at
you
look
at
it
on
a
couple
of
these
pages,
but
it
was.
A
A
There
are
some
of
the
ones
that
I
put
together
myself
with
a
couple
additionals,
but
if
we
could
just
have
a
discussion-
and
I
also
want
to
hear
from
miss
clayton
and
go
on
to
some
of
the
other
issues
but
yeah-
I
think
the
first
is
how
important
is
visibility,
accessibility
and
architecture
of
city
hall,
and
I'm
actually
going
to
just
kick
that
off.
A
To
me,
I
know:
there's
been
the
desire
from
some
to
make
city
hall,
you
know
the
central
hub
of
the
city
and
that
I
think
goes
hand
in
hand
more
with
iconic
architecture,
and
I
think
my
traditional
side,
which
many
of
you
know
you
know
we
own
a
95
year
old
house.
I
love
tradition.
I
love
history,
I
love
historic
buildings
at
the
same
time,
I
don't
know
that
city
halls
are
what
they
used
to
be.
A
A
A
If
they
come
to
city
hall,
at
least
in
our
former
iteration,
they
were
generally
coming
to
meet
with
one
of
the
departments
or
to
come
to
a
city
council
meeting
and
interact
with
the
city,
council
and
oftentimes.
It
was
because
they
either
supported
something
or
they
opposed
it,
but
other
than
that
most
people
didn't
come
to
city
hall.
In
fact,
some
people
didn't
even
know
where
city
hall
was,
even
though
it
was
built
in
the
60s.
A
You
know
they
only
found
out
when
they
came
to
a
point
that
they
really
need
to
interact
with
their
city
officials.
For
that
reason,
I
don't
feel
like
we
need
to
have.
I
mean,
like
philadelphia,
has
a
very
iconic
city
hall,
it's
in
the
center
of
the
city.
It's
an
architectural
gem.
A
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
build
something
like
that
because
of
cost.
So
to
me
that
isn't
as
important.
I
want
something
that's
functional
and
affordable
and
I
don't
necessarily
think
city
hall
needs
to
be
stand
alone,
but
I
also
don't
believe
that
we
need
to
replace
a
23
year
old
building
in
our
msb,
which
I
know
many
people
believe
was
not
a
great
design
from
the
beginning
and
actually
has
some
things
that
need
to
be
fixed.
A
But
if
we
repurpose
it
and
sell
it
to
the
private
sector,
we're
never
going
to
get
anything
remotely
close
to
what
it's
going
to
cost
to
replace
and
so
to
me
it
is
a
stand-alone
city
hall
in
some
location
that
we're
trying
to
replace.
A
I
mean
that's
because
I
don't
want
to
do
a
65
million
dollar
combination
of
msb
at
city
hall.
I
think
that
would
be
wasteful
on
our
part
and
unless
we
had
a
public-private
partnership
that
utilized
some
of
our
land
and
did
you
know
real
multi-use,
where
we
had
a
city
hall,
complex,
an
msb,
possibly
office
and
even
residential,
and
that
has
been
done
in
some
cities
and
the
development
opportunities
helped
pay
for
the
municipal
side
of
the
equation.
A
D
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
on
most
of
your
points.
I
I
don't
believe
we
need
an
iconic
building
and
it
would
be
hard
to
come
up
with
something
that
would
be
more
iconic
than
scientology's
fort
harrison
hotel
and
their
flag
building.
I
think
those
are
the
iconic
buildings
that
people
think
of
when
they
think
of
downtown.
D
Now
I
do
think
the
library
is
a
beautiful
location,
I'd
hate
to
see
the
library
be
constricted
and
not
be
able
to
function
as
properly,
but
it
makes
most
sense
financially
and
just
in
in
the
friendly
nature
of
of
coexisting
in
the
library.
D
It
makes
it
easier
for
people
if
they
want
to
come
to
a
council
meeting.
What's
at
the
main
library
right,
downtown
city
halls
in
the
library,
I
I
think
that's
much
easier
to
communicate
to
people
who
are
already
comfortable
coming
to
a
library,
so
they'd
be
more
comfortable
coming
to
see
us
at
city
hall,.
E
I
I
don't
know
that
we're
if
we're
jumping
ahead
of
the
gun
here,
if
we
want
gina
to
do
her
presentation,
but
I'm
I've
made
my
I've.
Let
it
be
known
that
I,
I
think
the
library
is
a
location
for
a
great
location
for
a
city
hall.
However,
I
have
serious
doubts
that
the
library
can
house
city
hall
and
all
of
the
library.
E
E
Now
that
being
said,
now
you
take
everything
in
the
library
and
try
to
incorporate
what
we
need
for
city
hall
and
put
it
on
second
third
and
fourth
floor.
There's
not
enough
room
for
all
that.
I
just
don't.
I
don't
think,
there's
enough
room
in
that
building
to
do
all
that.
If
someone
can
can
show
me
that
it
is
big
enough
to
do
that
because
you
have
to
you
know
you
got
to
build
a
new
council
chamber
on
one
of
the
floors.
You've
got
to
build.
E
You
know
all
the
office
spaces
out
and
everything
else,
so
I
just
don't
know
that
the
building
itself
can
coexist
as
city
hall
and
the
library,
and
I
also
think
you
know
if
we're
going
to
activate
that
first
floor.
The
way
I
think
it
should
be
activated.
E
A
city
hall
is
much
more
conducive
than
a
library
because
of
the
act,
the
activity
and
the
noise
and
everything
else.
E
So
I'm
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
everybody
else
has
to
say,
but
I
I
I
guess
the
other
point
I
want
to
make
is
you
know,
as
we've
gone
through
this
and
I've
gone
through
the
thought
process
on
this
there
there's
absolutely-
and
I
agree
with
you
mayor-
there's
absolutely
no
reason
to
have
to
spend
the
money
to
have
one
consolidated
building
that
houses,
everything
the
city
all
of
the
city
offices,
because
if
there's
one
thing
we've
learned
during
this
pandemic,
we
have
the
ability
to
meet
via
zoom,
microsoft
teams
and
everything
else.
A
D
F
F
I
kind
of
agree
with
mr
hamilton,
the
if
we
do
something
in
the
library
with
city
hall,
it's
going
to
displace
some
of
the
which
I
think
are
very
great
floors
in
the
library
that
have
a
lot
of
history
and
things
that
are
available
for
the
public.
Like
the
fourth
floor,
the
library
is
such
it's
more
than
just
a
repository
for
books.
It's
a
very
active
place,
so
I
keep
thinking
back
on
the
whole.
Imagine
clearwater
active.
F
You
know,
bluff
walk
active
edge
that
we're
trying
to
create,
I
don't
think
of
city
hall
as
being
an
a
part
of
an
active
edge.
F
As
as
you
stated,
mr
mayor,
people
go
to
city
hall
for
meetings
basically
or
meeting
with
us
in
an
office
setting
it's
not
an
active
thing
that
if
you're
going
to
the
park,
you're
going
to
stop
by
city
hall,
you're
going
to
maybe
stop
by
a
library
and
do
some
things,
and
especially,
if
we're
doing
some
mixed
use
in
the
library.
I
hope
we
have
some
art
on
the
first
floor
and
maybe
a
starbucks
or
a
restaurant,
or
something
that
will
that
will
be
used
by
people.
F
I
just
don't
see
city
hall
as
being
part
of
that
active
edge
and
if
we're
thinking
about
doing
a
library
and
city
hall
well,
first
of
all
we
got
the
build-out
costs
and
then
I
know
we're
going
to
have
to
put
an
elevator
in
there
on
the
outside
to
get
to
city
hall,
because
the
library
will
probably
be
closed
when
we
have
meetings,
so
there
is
additional
cost
that
is
going
to
be
affiliated
with
that
and
then
the
other
thing
is
parking.
F
F
G
I
I
fully
I
I
agree
with
most
of
what
said
I
don't
think
the
library
should
be
used
as
a
as
city
hall.
I
think
it
needs
to
remain
totally
for
the
public.
The
view
parking
isn't
adequate
for
city
hall.
G
I
think
it
should
be
optimized
seven
days
a
week
for
residents
to
use
to
come
and
go
not
just
like
a
nine
to
five
work.
I
don't
I
don't
want
the
library
part
compromised
and
I
don't
want
the
city
hall
part
compromise,
so
I
won't
go
into
a
whole
bunch,
but
yeah.
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
having
city
hall
become
part
of
that
library
down
there.
Our
main.
A
Library,
okay,
well,
I'm
hearing
mixed
views.
It's
interesting.
I
think
we
always
think
of
the
library,
because
this
isn't
a
new
topic
by
the
way
of
it
being
split
horizontally,
but
rick
ortega
used
to
be
one
of
an
active
member
in
the
community
whose
past
sadly,
has
always
said
that
a
lot
of
people
thought
of
it
incorrectly
and
it
would
be
better
to
split
it
vertically
and
I
don't
think
we've
ever
looked
at
it.
From
that
standpoint
I
mean
I
am.
A
A
I
was
talking
to
the
city
attorney,
you
know
right
now
we
have
our
city
hall
offices
on
one
floor
of
the
600
building
and
it's
about
13
000
square
feet
per
floor,
and
one
of
the
things
I
asked
her
about
was
have
we
ever
thought
of
going
into
potentially
a
condominium
arrangement,
because
the
fifth
floor
on
this
building
is
also
vacant,
and
it's
a
shell-
and
I
don't
know
that
the
bank
of
america
is
going
to
stay
here.
It's
been
closed
now
down
since
covid
they've
never
used
the
drive-throughs
in
many
years.
A
H
A
Hope
we
will
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
the
answer.
This
is
an
older
building,
it's
45
years
old,
which
mistaken
shaking
her
head.
It
frightens
her,
but
you
know
I
think
we
ought
to
have
an
open
mind
on
on
different
locations.
A
A
A
F
Mayor,
yes,
I
considered
it,
but
after
the
talking
to
city
manager
and
considering
all
the
ramifications
of
displacement,
I'm
I'm
not
for
that
either.
E
I
I
said
I
I
have
no,
you
know
we
do
not
need
to
consolidate
into
one
large
building
a
because
of
price
and
b.
It's
just
not
necessary.
G
I
would
agree
with
council
member
hamilton,
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
necessary
in
a
perfect
world
with
an
unlimited
budget.
I
think
it
would
be
fantastic,
but
I
think
right
now,
when
we're
watching
pennies
and
there's
so
much
unknown,
I
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
combining
them.
A
E
I'd
like
to
know
what
my
fellow
accounts
members
think
of
you
know:
if
the
library
is
going
to
stay,
the
library
do
they
do
they
still
support,
or
do
they
still
view
know
the
ground
floor
of
the
library
as
being
a
an
area
that
needs
to
be
activated
and
integrated
into
the
park
itself
so
that
it
so
that
they
work
together
because
again
as
as
councilmember
beckman
said,
it's
gonna
require
probably
seven
day
a
week.
Access
into
that
building,
which
bill
and
pam
will
tell
you
that
costs
money
and
that's
gonna.
E
That's
gonna
create
issues
of
its
own,
but
I
think
the
park's
gonna
be
available
seven
days
a
week.
The
library
that
ground
floor,
that
library
is
gonna
need
to
be
available
seven
days
a
week
as.
A
So
much
of
the
reference
material
is
no
longer
necessary
in
the
library-
and
I
know
our
library
system
has
changed
with
that.
A
lot
of
people
are
borrowing
books
electronically,
now
rather
than
physically,
but
some
people
don't
have
the
electronic
equipment,
so
we
still
have
physical
books
that
you
could
take
out,
which
is
also
great.
A
C
Yes,
I
you
know,
I
think
you
know
we
have
a
design
being
designed
for
drawings,
permit
drawings
and
a
gross
maximum
price
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
library
project,
as
is
so
what
you've
seen
in
terms
of
the
presentation
on
the
first
floor
of
the
library
is
what
we're
getting
ready
to
build.
If
you
want
to
alter
the
first
floor
of
the
library,
then
we
need
to
get
that
direction
to
engineering
and
our
design
consultants
immediately.
C
C
Aside
from
your
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
you
want
to
move
the
city
hall
in
there,
so
I
think
if
you
have
specific
objectives
for
the
first
floor,
then
I
think
we
need
a
consensus
decision
from
you
about
that
and
what
you're
envisioning,
so
that
we
can
get
that
to
our
design
professionals
and
redesign
the
the
library,
because
we're
we're
pretty
much.
C
You
know
that
that
horse
has
left
the
barn
unless
you
make
a
decision
on
city
hall
which
we
can
do,
but
I
you
know
I
just
want
us
to
be
clear
about
that,
because
it'll
be
the
you
know,
the
third
time
we've
sent
our
our
architects
back
to.
You
know
work
on
the
library,
so
I
think
that's
that's.
Why
that's
sort
of
an
immediate
concern
for
us.
I
think
we
need
to
to
settle
that
one
way
or
the
other
this
afternoon
we
can
adjust.
If
that's
your
decision.
D
I
I
don't
want
to
see
any
negative
impact
to
the
library
and
if
there's
not
the
space
for
us
there
moving,
there
seems
to
make
the
most
sense
to
me
if
there
is
space
for
us
to
coexist
with
the
library,
because
we
can
do
that
fairly
quickly
and
not
have
to
sign
another
lease
here,
so
that
would
save
us
some
money
and
then
down
the
road.
D
When
things
are
prosperous
again
we
could
look
into
building
a
new
city
hall,
but
if,
if
the
library's
gonna
be
impacted,
then
you
know
we
probably
should
look
for
someplace
else.
C
C
We
won't
necessarily
know
what
those
are
until
about
four
to
six
months
after
a
direction
is
given
to
us
to
look
at
the
library
as
a
city
hall
location,
because
we
really
need
to
design
through
those
things,
and
I
would
also
point
out
that
it's
more
about
the
the
13
000
square
feet
because
of
those
a
lot
of
those
ancillary
support,
functions
and
infrastructure
comes
with
this
building,
not
just
the
the
net
space
that's
devoted
to
our
lease
structure,
so
the
library
already
contains
several
thousand
feet
of
city
hall
in
the
form
of
the
the
council
chambers.
C
So
you
know
restroom
facilities,
ingress
and
egress,
so
there
are
impacts
that
we
may
not
have
considered
yet
in
terms
of
the
city
hall,
library
combination,.
G
Yeah,
if
we're
talking
about,
if
mr
delk
wants
some
feedback
about
any
potential
changes
to
the
design
of
that
first
floor
to
more
fully
activate
it.
You
know
the
way
you've
mentioned
and
council
member
hamilton
have
mentioned.
G
I
I
would
need
at
least
you
know
overnight
to
revisit.
I
don't
have
the
design
of
that
first
floor
in
front
of
me.
You
know
when
we
walk
into
the
chamber
area
of
the
library
they
have
the
easels
up
with
the
designs
and
they're
not
fresh
in
my
head,
but
when
council
member
hamilton
mentioned
like
a
snack
bar
or
a
coffee
shop
or
a
space
for
rotating
art,
displays
on
that
first
floor
to
activate
and
engage
people.
Is
that
already
part
of
the
first
floor
design
depicted
on
those
easels.
C
The
design
of
the
first
floor
is
not
a
an
alteration
really
to
the
use
or
function
of
the
library.
It's
a
re-allocation
of
space,
re-uh
prioritization
of
space,
the
stairwell
and
some
of
the
reorientation
of
the
entryways
and
the
public
areas
of
the
art,
for
example.
C
But
it's
not
what
I
would
consider
to
be
at
least
what
it
appears
that
councilman
hamilton
is
referring
to,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
switch
or
direction
of
use
of
the
library
spaces
force
four,
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
that's
not
a
good
idea,
active
first,
four
uses
in
downtown
urban
downtowns
is
a
good
thing.
All
I'm
suggesting
is
that
that
has
not
been
the
direction
given
to
our
design
team,
and
if
we,
if
we
want
to
make
that
direction,
then
we
need
to
make
it
ideally
today.
So
we
can.
G
C
I
think
the
last
point
I
would
make
on
that
councilman
is
also
is
that
we
go
back
to
that
question
is
one
of
the
operational
impacts
and
the
programming
impacts
on
the
library,
so
I
don't
think
it
would
be
as
substant.
Well,
I
don't
know
what
how
substantive
that
would
be
when
you
take
all
the
library
and
you
move
it
off
of
the
first
floor,
so
you
know
that's
something
that
would
be
a
factor.
A
G
Okay,
but
like
right
now,
we've
already
got.
We
had
that
little
coffee
shop,
snack
area,
we
do
have
an
art
room.
I
don't
you
know
so
I
wouldn't
advocate
moving
those
off
the
first
or
you
know
doing
away
with
a
circulation
desk
and
stuff.
On
the
first
floor
I
mean
I
don't,
I
I'd
want
it
to
feel
like
a
library
when
you
enter
it
and
you
know
you're
in
a
library
and
then
you
just
have
these
different
ancillary.
You
know
features
like
we
already
have.
That
was.
A
I
Jen
over
meyer,
we
have
some
of
the
design
plans
from
the
architect
which
I
can
address
to
councilman
beckman's.
Some
comments
we're
just
trying
to
oh
there
we
go
so
actually
we're
gonna
move
the
front
entrance
more
to
the
to
the
west
side.
Oh
actually
turn
around
or
here
so
we're
modifying
the
the
front
entrance
for
enclosing
the
current
entrance
area.
I
I
Yes,
if
you
watch
the
broadcast,
you
can
see
it,
but
basically,
when
we're
just
modifying
the
first
floor,
it's
still
going
to
look
like
a
library.
We
still
are
going
to
have
a
cafe
area,
it'll
be
a
little
reduced
in
size,
but
that
will
still
exist
and
we're
going
to
have
more
conference
rooms
for
collaboration.
I
That's
that's
really.
The
trend
in
libraries
nationwide
is
to
have
small
groups
meet
and
collaborate
and
then
we'll
get
our
large
meeting
room
back
when
or
if
chamber
stays
here.
But
but
to
answer
your
question,
captain
beckman
it
will
remain.
It
will
look
very
much
like
the
library,
even
better,
more
modern,
lower
shells.
E
Jen,
I
don't
know
that
you
can
even
answer
this
question
but
again,
as
I'm
saying,
if
we're
looking
at
this
first
floor
to
be
activated
seven
days
a
week
with
the
park,
if
we're
gonna
have
the
books
books
that
are
on
the
first
floor,
still
on
the
first
floor,
if
we're
gonna
have
the
the
checkout
counter.
Still
on
the
first
floor,
we're
gonna
have
to
man
that
seven
days
a
week
there
you
know
I
and-
and
you
know
my
my
vision-
would
almost
be
more
of
a
take.
What
the.
H
E
You
know
the
elevators
aren't
functioning
on
the
weekends
yeah
you
block
off
the
stairwells
during
you
know
when,
when
the
library's
not
open,
but
the
first
floor
is
still
active
because
if
we're
gonna
be
if
it's
gonna
be
open
and
activated
seven
days
a
week
and
the
library
is
gonna
have
books
on
the
first
floor
and
everything
else,
we've
gotta
we've
gotta
man
that
with
city
employees
and
city
costs
seven
days
a
week,
whereas
with
the
other
things
the
the
the
operator
of
the
cafe
the
operator
of
you,
know
the
stack
bar
or
whatever
and
and
the
other
operations,
the
other
things
that
are
on
the
first
floor,
they're
going
to
be
in
a
con
they're
going
to
have
contracts
with
the
city
to
operate
and
do
what
they
do
and
they
will
be
responsible
for
manning
their
own
things
so
that
that's
kind
of
the
balancing
act.
I
I'm
sorry
go
ahead,
we're
currently
open
seven
days
a
week
right
now,
so
I
I
don't
see
a
major
departure
for
the
new
design.
F
Yeah
well,
I
was
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
some
of
those
conceptual
drawings
here,
so
I'm
disappointed
that
they
couldn't
be
brought
up,
but
I
recall
that
there
was
public
art.
I
know
there
was
a
they're
moving
the
entryway
to
more
accessible
from
the
park
on
the
west
side
instead
of
having
it
on
the
south
side.
F
And
you
know
if
we
had
a
concern
that
we
want
some
things
open
on
the
first
floor,
maybe
not
the
library,
the
book
part
of
it
I
mean
you
could
you
could
put
in
things
like
they
have
in
the
mall.
You
know
just
you
can
open
them
all
up
and
have
restaurants
open
and
then
the
book
areas
could
have
a
some
kind
of
thing
that
comes
down
where
you
can't
enter
that.
So
I
think
I
think
we
shouldn't,
I
think
a
seven
day.
F
C
Yes,
I
want
to,
if
I
may,
mayor
clarify
what
conceptual
drawings
are
we
are
we
missing
today,
I'm
not
sure
what
those
are
I
was
to
the
vice
mayor.
I
was
the
question.
F
Well,
okay,
I
mean
you,
had
you
had
three-dimensional
perspective
drawings
of
what
it
looked
like.
I
saw
those
six
or
eight
months
ago.
Are
we
talking
about
the
library
yeah,
we're.
F
C
Well,
that
that
project
is
that
project
is
done
and
decided
from
our
standpoint.
You,
you
all,
have
directed
us
to
build
the
library.
So
our
only
question
today
was
whether
or
not
we
need
to
alter
that
direction
to
incorporate
a
city
hall.
So
the
library
as
directed
is
not
changing.
Unless
you
direct
us
to
change
it
today,.
A
C
Yeah,
if,
if
we
make
more
changes
in
the
library
project,
then
whatever
those
are
that's
kind
of
looked
at
in
the
context
of
the
city
hall
discussion,
we
may
not
move
city
hall
there,
but
if
we
need
to
change
directions
on
the
first
floor,
that's
a
redesign
of
the
project
which
we
can
certainly
do,
but
we
want
to
get
on
it
immediately.
Otherwise,
we
have
a
set
of
plans
that
we're
we're
preparing
to
build
come
september.
1.
E
A
C
My
apologies,
if
we're
missing
an
exhibit,
so,
okay.
G
Well,
we
can
always
spend
you
know
tonight
taking
a
look
at
those
visuals
and
offer
some
comment
tomorrow
at
the
meeting.
If
you
know,
if,
if
mr
delk
wants
a
little
more
comment
or
clarification.
A
E
A
A
Let's,
let's
move
on
and
and
hear
from
miss
clayton
and
then
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
timing
and
how
we're
willing
to
expend
money
and
resources
and
other,
maybe
out
of
the
box.
Ideas
for
city
hall.
J
Good
afternoon
gina
clayton,
planning
and
development.
I
guess
the
next
thing
that
we
were
going
to
talk
about
was
the
criteria,
and
I
think
there
were
some
comments
at
the
last
work
session
or
at
the
council
meeting,
where
we
presented
this,
that
maybe
there
was
not
some
agreement
on
the
criteria
that
we
had
used
to
evaluate
sites
pursue
a
new
city
hall.
So
I
don't
know
if
you'd
like
to
go
through
those
criteria
and
provide
us
some
feedback
or
michael
what
you
had
wanted
to
do
at
this
stage.
C
Well,
I
think
the
the
balls
in
the
city
council's
court,
in
terms
of
whether
they
want
to
revisit
the
criteria
that
that
you
utilized
based
on
the
direction
of
the
last
city
council
in
terms
of
prioritization
of
the
site
selection.
So
I
guess
my
first
question
would
be
if
the
priorities
we
use
to
to
rank
site
selection
is
inconsistent
with
the
current
council's
desires.
Then
how
would
we
reprioritize
well,
I
I.
A
A
A
I
think
it
would
also
be
helpful
to
talk
a
little
bit
about.
You
know
how
a
new
city
hall
is
being
envisioned
to
fit
within
the
downtown
plant,
because
not
everybody
has
a
real.
You
know
as
much
background
in
what
the
downtown
plan
is
and
how
it
can
be
incorporated,
and
I
think
what
you've
also
heard
is
people
are
not
as
concerned
about
combining
city
hall
and
the
msb
and
they're
not
as
concerned,
possibly
with
you
know
an
iconic
building.
So
I
think
those
change,
maybe
the
importance
of
some
of
the
criteria.
C
Sure,
well,
I'm
I
can
control
the
I've
got
the
powerpoint
here
if
I've
lost
the
the
picture
of
the
group
of
you.
So
I
can't
see
anyone
including
gina
at
the
podium,
but
I
can
certainly
scroll
through
the
the
attachments
here
that
are,
that
constitute
gina's
last
presentation
to
you
and
it
has
the
prioritization
the
criteria.
J
Sure
so
the
group
started
with
looking.
C
J
C
I
think
I
have
it
up
on
my.
I
need
the
control
center
to.
J
B
J
So
yeah,
I
I
did
hear
council
talking
about
iconic
building.
One
of
the
things
that
we
felt
was
very
important
in
choosing
a
location
was
to
help
us
facilitate
redevelopment.
That's
envisioned
by
the
downtown
plan,
and
one
thing
that
we
find
is
very
important,
is
a
prominent
visibility,
whether
you
agree
or
not,
with
the
iconic
architecture.
J
So
that
was
something
that
we
looked
at
as
well.
Obviously,
transportation
access,
because
this
is
a
building,
that's
accessible
by
the
public,
locating
it
in
an
area
that
has
good
access.
It's
not
going
to
cause
any
sort
of
major
traffic
issues
with
something
that
we
looked
at
and
then,
of
course,
location
and
proximity
to
other
city
facilities.
J
J
The
next
criteria
had
to
do
with
real
estate
considerations,
primarily
ownership,
and
if
we
did
not
own
that,
I
don't
know
michael
if
you
can
advance
to
the
next
slide
or
not,
because
I
can
only
see
you
all
and
not
the
slides,
the
other
things
that
we
looked
at
were.
If
you
know
we
didn't
own
it
was
it
potentially
available
to
acquis
you
know
to
acquire.
We
did
not
contact
property
owners,
but
we
did
have
some
understanding
of
who
might
be
amenable
to
discussing
the
possibility
of
acquisition.
J
We
also
thought
that
it
was
really
important
to
look
at
a
site
to
determine
whether
or
not
there
was
opportunities
for
public-private
partnership
and
also
whether
the
location
was
eligible
for
cra
incentive
or
if
it
was
located
in
the
opportunity
zone
and
then,
lastly,
we
were
looking
at
whether
the
site
was
construction,
ready
or
what
would
be
required
if
we
had
to
demolish-
and
we
thought
these
considerations
were
the
next
had
carried
the
you
know
the
next
weight.
So
we
assigned
three
points
to
that.
The
next
slide
is
focused
on
site
characteristics.
J
We
felt,
obviously
this
is
important.
It
would
make
construction
easy,
more,
affordable
or
or
less
affordable
and
challenging.
We
looked
for
parcels
that
had
a
configuration
that
was
conducive
to
construction.
We
looked
at
whether
or
not
a
parcel
could
easily
accommodate
trap.
Excuse
me
parking
also.
You
know
if
there
were
any
sort
of
site
constraints
with
with
the
topography
or
trees
or
any
sort
of
environmental
contamination,
so
because
we
have
a
lot
of
brownfields
in
downtown.
J
We
looked
at
what
kind
of
cost
might
be
associated
with
construction,
whether
it
would
be
new
or
construction
or
renovation.
We
considered
whether
there
would
be
a
lot
of
site
preparation
needed
and
if
we
could
have
operational
efficiencies
within
other
city
facilities
and
also
from
the
long-term
perspective,
would
the
construction?
J
J
We
looked
at
all
the
sites
we
assigned
points
we
sort
of
walked
away
from
it
for
a
little
bit
and
then
we
went
back
and
we
re-evaluated
to
make
sure
that
we
felt
the
same
way
and
we
were
trying
to
be
consistent,
and
when
we
looked
at
each
site
and
each
category
of
criteria,
we
looked
at
all
the
sites
to
make
sure
in
that
particular
category.
We
were
being
fair
and
consistent
in
our
evaluation,
and
so
that's
really
how
we
arrived
at
our
ranking
and
based
on
that
exercise.
G
Yeah
I
just
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
this
is
a
fantastic
report.
I
mean
your
site.
Selection
criteria
is
comprehensive
and
you
know,
while
it's
difficult
to
break
them
down
into
four
three
two
one
points,
because
they're
all
very
important
I
I
can
respect
the
way
you've
got
them
separated.
So
I
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
the
report
at
our
last
city
council
meeting
or
the
one
previous
with
mr
the
jolly
company
was
was-
was
good
as
well.
G
The
only
question
I
have
is
under
the
one
point
section
under
cost.
You
have
land
acquisition,
but
we
also
have
ownership
under
real
estate
three
points:
what's
the
difference
between
the
ownership,
because
that
means
I'm
reading
it,
as
do
we
own
that
property
or
do
we
have
to
purchase
it
and
then
you've
got
acquisition
on
the
cost
section.
So
what's
that
distinction.
J
I
think
we
were
thinking
about
whether
or
not
you
know
we
owned
it
from
a
real
estate
standpoint
without
it
would
be
given
greater
weight
if
it
was
owned
by
the
city
or
by
the
cra,
and
there
was
overlap,
I
will
have
to
say
you
know
we
tried
to
categorize
these,
but
there's
definite
overlap
between
between
all
of
them.
So
I
think
that
cost
you
know
whether
we
owned
it
or
not,
was
important
whether
there
were
low
cost
for
acquisition
or
not.
J
D
A
A
A
J
J
I
do
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
synergy
that
can
come
from
being
located
in
close
proximity
to
a
bus
transfer
station,
like
that,
I
don't
know
what
the
you
know
from
a
noise
standpoint,
how
that
ultimately
plays
out
with
the
building.
I
think
a
building
can
certainly
be
designed
to
minimize
noise.
We
see
that
I've
seen
buildings
obviously
built
in
close
proximity
to
in
minneapolis.
You
know
where
you
can't
even
hear
the
trains
that
are
running
by
and
those
are
trained,
so
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
definite
noise.
J
A
Well,
I'm
not
just
talking
noise,
I'm
talking
about
also
conflicts
between
pedestrians
buses
and
you
know
if
we
eventually
have
some
other
transit
center
there.
You
know
just
all
of
it
being
right
together.
I'm
questioning.
If
you
want,
I
mean
it's
one
of
the
reasons
I
almost
like
the
old
hardware
store
site
across
from
the
msb
a
little
bit
better
a
because
it
was
still
in
close
proximity
to
the
msb
crossing.
Myrtle
isn't
the
greatest,
but
it
also
allowed
the
two
block
site
on
myrtle
and
east
and
appears
to
all
stay
together.
A
If
we
ever
wanted
to
unify
that
site,
then
we
weren't
utilizing
half
of
it,
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to
you
know
to
fully
understand.
J
Well,
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
harvard
jolly
study,
they
had
located
the
city
hall
all
on
the
corner,
piece
of
the
property,
with
all
the
parking
needed
for
city
hall
on
that
site,
and
if
we
had
had
a
government
center,
we
had
located.
You
know
in
a
parking
garage,
so
I
think
that
they
were
trying
to
minimize
the
potential
conflicts
by
locating
the
building
and
the
parking
on
the
site.
But
I
think
amanda
wants
to
jump
in
here
as
well,
but.
A
I've
seen
many
people
almost
get
hit
over
on
garden,
because
they're
darting
between
buses
to
go
across
to
emily's
or
you
know
that
convenience
store
that's
right
there,
I'm
just
asking.
If
we're
designing
from
the
ground
up.
Is
that
really
the
way
you
would
want
to
do
it
and
how
many
people
are
using
a
psta
bus
to
get
to
city
hall.
J
Well,
I
I
don't
know
what
the
ridership
is
for
that.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
may
contribute
to
people
you
know
not
necessarily
being
paying
attention
to
the
traffic
is
the
location.
It's
a
very
low.
You
know
traffic
area,
and
so
people
have
a
tendency,
I
think,
to
be
a
little
more
casual
when
they're
crossing
the
street
and
accessing
the
transit
station.
I
think,
if
you're
a
more
visible
active
area,
the
likelihood
of
people
acting
that
way
would
be
reduced
somewhat,
but.
H
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
kind
of
a
land
use
redevelopment
perspective,
so
I
think
the
beauty
of
combining
this
site.
You
know
when
we're
thinking
20
30
years
in
advance
right
now.
Maybe
a
lot
of
people
aren't
riding
the
bus,
but
it's
our
job.
I
believe
what
our
plans
have
said,
and
you
know
state
and
local
policies
through
ford
pinellas
is
we
want
to
support
cycling
walking?
H
So
I
think,
there's
an
advantage
that
way,
although
there
are
certainly
examples
all
over
the
u.s
of
you
know,
private
businesses
and
public
transit
coming
together
and
from
a
safety
standpoint
for
traffic
engineering
right
now,
there's
barely
any
kind
of
engineering
right
and
safety
design
in
our
current
condition.
So
by
designing
from
the
ground
up,
I
think
we
have
an
awesome
chance
of
making
it
very
safe,
very
visible.
So
you
don't
have
people
wandering
around
and
almost
getting
hit
by
buses.
A
G
Okay,
good,
so
I'm
looking
at
on
this
laptop,
I
you
know,
have
I'm
looking
at
the
harvard
jolly
architecture
depictions.
So
we're
not
talking
about
the
the
depiction
it's
called
b2
at
the
corner
of
myrtle
and
court
you're
talking
about
which
one
right
now
across
on
garden,
which
which
one
was
that
that's
you
know.
L
J
I
I
think
another
good
reason
for
this
site,
too
is:
is
it
located
adjacent
to
the
pinellas
trail,
and
we
saw
that
as
an
advantage
for
pedestrians,
also
as
having
a
safe
place
for
movement
in
that
general
area,
I
mean
I
don't
disagree
that
there
needs
to
be
a
careful
analysis
of
you
know
how
everything
is
oriented.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
as
we
look
at
this
as
I'm
looking
at
the
depiction
of
the
government
center,
the
city
hall,
on
the
corner
of
myrtle
and
court,
are
you
telling
me
that
if
we
don't
well
the
way
it's
depicted
here,
you
know
we
would
we
have
parking,
then
that
is
to
the
north
and
that
north
vacant
lot
next
to
the
municipal
services
building,
which
is
where
we
feed
the
homeless
right
right
now,.
J
We
have
several
different
options
for
that
laid
out.
The
first
option,
which
is
option
1v1
in
their
report,
has
the
city
hall
located
there
on
the
corner,
parcel
with
some
on-site
parking
and
then
some
on-street
parking,
yep
and
another
option
has
well
that
was
with
the
combined
government
center.
But
you
can
see
the
parking
is
split,
as
well
as
a
private
redevelopment
opportunity
right
and
there
is
an
option
that
shows
all
of
city
hall
and
all
on
the
transit
site.
J
G
G
A
Was
always
talk
of
potentially
using
the
county
parking
lot
to
the
west
of
the
current
site?
I
know
there's
heartburn
about
that
peace
memorial
uses
that
I
don't
think
the
county
is
ready
to
get
rid
of
it.
I
think
the
vice
mayor
has
some
ideas
on
that
site
and
so
back
when
we
originally
bought
it.
When
we
bought
the
saint
pete
times
site
and
had
the
other
vacant
lot,
it
was
always
envisioned
that
if
light
rail
came
to
pinellas
county,
there
was
a
very
good
chance
that
saint
pete
and
clearwater
would
be
connected.
A
Utilizing
the
csx
right
away.
Yes,
because
it
was
very
low
hanging
fruit
and
then
the
question
was,
you
know,
would
you
follow
it
all
the
way
to
saint
peter?
Would
there
be
a
jog
down
in
pinellas
park
that
would
throw
the
line
more
on
the
275
corridor
and
then
right
into
downtown,
but
that
was
always
the
envisioned
site,
and
so
it
was
talked
about
to
have
a
multi-modal
site
where
you
would
have
the
trail.
A
parking
garage
and
the
psta
slash
railway
depot
all
consolidated
into
one
and
then,
when
green
light
got
defeated.
G
J
Clayton,
that
was
the
design
that
included
the
government
center
combined.
J
Were
yes,
it
were
a
city
hall.
One
thing
that
they
did
not
study
was
just
a
new
city
hall
with
a
transit
facility.
J
So
if
you
look
at
option
one
that
that
option
made
that
available
for
our
future
development-
and
it
accommodated
some
additional
parking
through
on
street
parking,
so
that
would
be
an
issue
if
there
was
a
the
ps.
J
E
This
is
probably
going
to
come
across
as
me
being
very
close-minded,
but,
given
everything
we're
talking
about
to
me,
we're
down
to
two
look:
we're
down
to
two
options
because
number
one:
I
have
no
interest
in
having
to
acquire
and
purchase
land
to
build
our
city
hall,
because
when
the
city
becomes
the
buyer,
the
price
goes
up
and
it
just
it's.
It's
not
something.
I'm
interested
in
doing.
E
That
being
said,
I
think
the
while
it
it
may
not.
It
can
be
designed
to
be
very
aesthetically
pleasing.
I
think
the
the
corner
of
court
and
myrtle
is
a
better
location
for
a
bus
transfer
for
a
bus
depot
and
a
transportation
depot
given
if
in
the
future,
I
don't
know
if
I'll
still
be
alive,
but
if
we
ever
go
to
a
an
elevated
light,
rail
or
anything
of
that
nature
in
the
future,
that's
a
much
more
accessible
location
for
transportation,
for
a
transportation
product.
E
E
You've
got
msb,
you've
got
police
station
all
in
one
place
and
if,
if
staff
needs
to
be
go
from,
one
building
to
the
other,
crossing
pierce
is
nowhere
near
as
dangerous
as
crossing
myrtle,
but
the
other
location
which
to
give
consideration
to
is
you
know
we
all
talk
about
needing
more
parking
in
downtown,
for
when
we
do
imagine
clear
water
and
when
we,
you
know
just
to
give
the
businesses
in
downtown
more
parking.
E
E
You
can
build
it
where
it's
very
flexible
for
future
use
so
that
you
know
if,
in
the
future
we
have
less
and
less
need
for
parking,
you
can
convert
certain
levels
of
that
parking
garage
into
other
uses
and
whatnot,
but
you
can
build
that
to
whatever
size
you
want
to
initially
and
put
city
hall
on
top
of
that
parking
garage,
but
that
parking
garage
that
that
location,
you're,
a
two
block,
walk
from
everything
in
the
core
downtown
and
two
blocks
is
not
too
far
to
ask
people
to
walk.
E
I
mean
clearwater,
we
like
being
20
feet
from
our
front
door,
but
when
you
travel,
you
know
when
we
go
to
philadelphia,
we
go
to
you
know
all
of
us
travel
to
other
cities.
You
walk
two
blocks
without
even
giving
it
a
thought.
So
I
just
think
you
know
that's.
My
two
locations
is
the
the
present
bus
depot
or
the
lot
directly
south
of
the
msb
building
right
now
those
are
the
two
locations
that
make
the
most
sense
to
me.
E
F
Mayor,
okay,
well
I'll
go
ahead
and
segue
into
my
idea
that
I've
kind
of
been
thinking
of
for
probably
15
years.
I
this
goes
all
the
way
back
to
when
I
was
on
ddb
and
we
we
really
had
a
need
for
parking
on
the
500
block.
F
F
The
land
acquisition
on
the
and
I'm
talking
about
the
fort
harrison
park,
garden,
pierce
block,
which
is
the
psta
in
the
county.
Lot
it
abuts
fort
harrison,
it's
a
great
location
at
center
mass
downtown.
For
us
we
know
we're
gonna
have
to
put
a
parking
garage
for
imagine,
clearwater
and
so
about
a
year
ago.
F
I
guess
I
put
together
a
little
conceptual
of
this,
because
I
know
that
we
can
swap
lands
with
psta
move
them
over
to
court
street
myrtle.
I
know
that
the
county
we
can
probably
get
their
surface
parking
by
giving
them
some
space
in
a
parking
garage
that
they
only
use
during
the
week
at
night.
We
could
use
it
for
events
that
are
happening
at
magic,
clearwater
and
really
the
city
hall
selection
criteria
that
I've
looked
at
almost
checks
every
box
on
here.
F
So
if
I
could
ask
joelle
now,
I've
got
a
conceptual
that
I
put
together
in
about
10
minutes.
So
don't
look
at
the
design
and
think
I'm
not
an
architect,
okay,
but
this
is
just
a
conceptual
idea
of
what
we
could
do
on
that
block.
That
would
give
us
think
of
this.
F
A
You'd
have
to
look
on
your
on
your
ipad.
If
you've
got
it
with
you,.
F
So
basically,
what
I
did
is
I
took
on
my
on
my
laptop.
I
took
a
a
view
of
that
block
on
google
and
I
took
a
building
I
think
out
of
tampa.
I
can't
even
remember
where
it
was-
and
I
positioned
it
to
fit
on
that
block
and
just
put
it
on
there
now
that
I'm
just
saying
it
not
the
architecture,
but
we
could
have
mixed
use
first
floor
public
plaza
on
the
front.
F
We
can
have
all
the
parking
we
need
for
downtown.
Imagine
clearwater
the
county
could
use
it.
The
church
could
use
it
and
then
whatever
we
need
for
city
hall.
On
top
of
that-
and
I
know
that
one
of
the
plans
going
back
with
when
we
were
talking
about
maybe
doing
a
joint
facility
with
the
county-
they
were
thinking
about
using
this
block
to
do
that.
The
city
and
the
county
would
share
a
facility
over
a
parking
garage.
In
fact,
I
think
it
was
two
different.
F
F
That
didn't
that
didn't
happen,
and
then
the
one
that
we
just
looked
at
a
year
or
so
ago
didn't
happen
because
we
couldn't
come
up
with
a
what's
that.
F
Oh,
I've
got
it
yeah,
so
that
didn't
happen.
I
guess
we
couldn't
come
to
terms
on
the
amount
of
space
that
we
all
needed
and
so
that
kind
of
went
away.
The
first
plan
actually
had
the
psta
bus
station
incorporated
into
the
parking
garage,
and
you
know
this
this
whole
thing
about
the
intermodal
center
on
court
street.
F
F
We
will
have
a
bus
service
that
goes
from
tampa
to
clearwater,
specifically
from
the
airport,
to
clear
order
which
we
haven't
ever
had
a
successful
bus
route,
and
so
we
will
be
able
to
get
people
from
tampa
over
here
and
we
need
a
facility
that
can
I
don't
want
to
have
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
in
eight
years.
When
that
happens,
I
have
to
redo
something,
so
I
think
we
ought
to
be
thinking
about
that
future.
Now,.
A
Is
miss
clayton
still
in
the
chambers.
E
A
The
materials
that
I
saw
you
know
this
occurred
back
before
we
got
back
on,
but
was
the
old
fire
station
site
eliminated
because
of
size
or
because
that
was
going
to
be
converted
to
workforce
housing.
J
Well,
I
think
that,
yes,
that
was
off
the
table
at
the
time
that
we
started
this
study
we
had
issued,
I
think,
an
rfp
for
the
redevelopment
of
that
site
and
I
think
it
had
been
awarded
by
yeah
it's
also
under
an
acre
in
size.
So
it
was
not
large
enough.
We
didn't
think.
A
The
minimum
size
that
the
architects
felt
were
required,
even
if
you
go
vertical.
J
Well,
I
don't
think
we
directly
ask
the
architects
that
question
what
we
used
was
a
number.
I
think
that
we
got
from
equus,
which
was
around
or
from
williamson
to
carr,
which
was
around
two
acres,
but
we
looked
at
sites
that
were
less
than
two
acres
a
little
under
that.
I
think
one
of
the
smallest
sites
we
looked
at
was
well.
We
did
look
at
one
that
was
turned
out
to
be
very
small.
J
It
was
a
little
over
an
acre,
yeah
drew
and
laura,
and
then
I
datex
was
like
a
little
over
an
acre
and
a
half,
so
we
tried
to
get
in
that
two
acre
range.
That
was
what
we
were
shooting
for.
J
No,
it
was
not
because
that
we
was.
A
G
Yeah,
can
you
tell
me
why
there
wasn't
a
ranking,
or
so
it's
my
understanding
that
mr
council
member
hamilton
is
suggesting
the
site
just
south,
immediately
south
of
the
municipal
services
building
right
across
from
pierce
street,
but
that
one
has
not
been.
We
don't
have
any
drawings
of
a
potential
full
city
hall
site
there.
Why
not?
Is
it
not
big
enough.
J
G
So
it
seemed
I
I
can
understand
that
it
would
look
nicer
to
have
city
hall
at
the
corner
of
court
and
myrtle
as
far
as
what
you're
looking
at
as
you
drive
into
our
you
know,
downtown
area
and
heading
towards
the
beach.
But
it
seems
to
me
that
maybe
with
functionality,
if
I'm
driving
big
buses
and
shuttling
people
in
and
out,
especially
for
coming
from
the
airport
into
downtown
or
the
beach
that
it
might
be
easier
for
buses
to
navigate
at
that
corner
of
court
and
myrtle.
J
G
J
The
the
drawings,
I
believe
that
we
have
from
psta,
actually
show
psta
also
located
on
that
parcel.
That's
in
between
msb
in
the
corner.
Their
original
design
showed
a
parking
garage
located
on
the
corner
and
and
the
actual
functioning
bus
transfer
station
to
the
north.
J
I
mean
I
think
they
they've
been
looking
at
a
variety
of
conceptual
designs,
but
the
the
the
last
ones
that
we
saw
had
put
a
parking
garage
on
the
corner
and
move
the
buses.
You
know
a
little
farther
north.
F
K
J
I
think
the
things
that
main
things
that
they
showed
us
incorporated
a
parking
garage.
Of
course
they
they
were
willing
to
talk
about.
You
know
the
possible
mixed
use
of
the
site
and
it
seemed
like
the
last
time
we
at
least
planning
and
development
interacted
with
them.
They
were
a
little
unclear
on
a
few
things
like
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
they
would
need.
They
also
weren't
quite
clear
on
their
need
for
office
space.
A
B
Thank
you
mayor.
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
be
perfectly
clear.
I
don't
think
the
city
and
psta
were
completely
on
the
same
page
on
the
on
that
space
between
myrtle
and
where
the
msp
is,
we
were
going
to
have
to
negotiate
out
how
we
were
going
to
be
compatible
there,
but
because
of
where
we
were
at
the
time
there
were
so
many
unknowns.
B
We
just
we
weren't,
really
forced
to
kind
of
nail
some
of
that
down,
and
I
know
our
staff
felt
very
strongly
about
you
know
how
we
wanted
people
to
encounter
the
downtown
coming
into
it.
I
also
know
how
strong
the
psta,
you
know,
obviously
was
looking
at
the
efficiency
of
being
on
the
corner,
and
so
I
think
two
different
perspectives
needed
to
come
together.
B
You
know
how
that
how
that's
going
to
work
and
then
to
the
vice
mayor's
point
clearly,
psva
start
gravitating
toward
the
reality
that
their
design
had
to
be
more
than
just
another
transfer
station.
It
had
to
be
more
appealing
for
all
kinds
of
reasons,
but
just
recognizing
transfer
stations.
These
days,
you
know,
need
to
be
viewed
in
an
urban
context,
much
more
than
just
for
a
bus.
What
just
like
the
current
transfer
station?
Nobody.
H
B
About
that,
and
so
no
one
envisioned
that
that
we
were
going
to
just
simply
have
another
version
of
that,
and
so
my
own
personal
view
is,
I
think,
where
we
site
city
hall
was
going
to
ultimately
drive
how
this
was
going
to
come
together
and
and
so
to
council,
member
hamilton's
point
and
the
vice
mayor's
point.
You
know
those
two
alternatives
really
kind
of
highlight
what
I
think
our
options
are
and
and.
A
B
To
it
and
use
it,
we
would
have
to
purchase
it
because
it's
a
utility
fund
ownership,
but
we
always
thought
that
if
we
did
that,
that
would
be
the
only.
B
A
Thanks,
I
mean
one
of
the
issues
that
that
concerns
me
is.
You
know
we
went
out
and
bought
the
times
property
years
ago,
because
at
the
time
we
did
think
it
was
going
to
eventually
be
transit
right
and
the
psta
did
not
have
the
money
to
do
so,
and
you
know
at
some
point
and
take
this
in
the
spirit.
It's
meant
vice
mayor
and
you
can
take
this
message
back
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
they're
gonna
need
to
step
up
to
the
plate
because
I
don't
think
we
should
land
bank
that
property
forever.
A
They
need
to
go
out
and
either
find
the
money
internally
through
the
county
or
through
the
fed,
so
that
something
can
move
forward,
but
to
just
keep
it
as
a
placeholder
decade
after
decade
is
I'm
I'm
starting
to
get
maybe
a
little
bit
tired.
So.
K
F
The
past
three
years,
the
psta
did
win
the
grant
for
the
planning
for
the
plans
and
they
they
put
that
to
use
past
couple
of
years.
They've
gone
out
every
year
to
fed
for,
and
this
year
is
no
different.
The
city
actually
wrote
a
letter,
support,
didn't
say
where,
because
we
didn't
know,
but
that
we
would
be
in
back
of
it,
I'm
taking
an
active
role
in
this,
because
I'm
on
the
psja
planning
committee
as
well.
I've
already
talked
to
amplify
and
a
lot
of
businesses
in
clearwater.
F
If
we
want
ps
to
be
a
psta
to
be
successful-
and
I
know
I
I
sit
in
two
chairs
here-
I'm
counsel
today,
but
I'm
also
on
the
psta
board.
We
need
to
have
a
very
solid
backing
from
our
community
and
I'm
gonna.
I've
already
started
asking
for
letters
to
be
written,
so
we
have
a
and
I'd
like
a
letter
from
council
saying
we.
F
We
do
want
this
for
another
application,
the
end
of
this
year
to
go
into
psjas
and
when
they
submit
their
grant
form
that
we
have
the
backing
of
our
community
in
back
of
it,
and
I
think
we
will
be
successful
and
they
will
get
grant
money
and
this
will
become
a
reality.
K
Sorry
about
that
tara,
kibbitt
city
engineer,
I
was
just
going
to
touch
on
a
little
bit
of
during
the
evaluation
of
the
sites
that
we
actually
thought,
given
the
speeds
and
the
one-way
traffic
on
court
street
that
that
would
also
create
some
challenges
for
psta.
You
know
in
addition
to
what
gina
talked
about
as
the
civic
prominence
and
entrance
into
the
city
of
clearwater,
so
our
preference
was
to
put
them
up
on
the
north.
Half
of
that
partial
then
they've
got
two-way
direction.
On
myrtle
they've
got
more
flexibility
to
come
in
and
out
safely.
A
Okay,
well,
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
moving
the
ball
here.
Yeah.
I
think
we've
talked
about
the
visibility
accessibility
in
architecture.
A
I
don't
think
we're
necessarily
saying
this
has
to
be
a
standalone
structure,
because
I've
heard
several
comments
about
you
know
multi-use,
if
at
all
possible.
Is
that
a
reasonable
statement
by
everybody.
A
A
You
know
I
mean
we
were
talking
about
2223
over
at
the
sites
the
other
day,
just
for
a
city
hall
up
to
65
for
a
combined,
so
I
mean
we
need
to
set
a
timetable
that
everybody's
happy
with.
We
also
need
to
find
funding.
A
I
mean
I
personally
prefer
you
know
the
vice
mayor's
site
over
on
fort
harrison
with
the
county
and
the
psta
site,
and
leave
the
two
lots
over
on
myrtle
for
psta
and
transit
along
the
trail
and
the
rail
line
and
everything
else
I'd
rather
pursue
that
somehow
deal
with
the
county
on
the
fact
that
it's
owned,
you
know
by
the
utility,
but
that's
that's
my
preferred
site.
E
I
can
I
can
agree
with
what
you
just
said,
like
I
said,
it'd
be
great
to
it'd,
be
great
to
have
it
in
my
eye.
You
know
if
we
could
build
it
directly,
south
of
the
msb
and
there's
still
enough
room
for
proper
ingress
and
egress,
and
access
for
a
transportation,
transportation,
location
at
the
corner
of
court
and
myrtle
that'd
be
great.
But
even
you
know
I
I'm
very.
E
I
could
be
very,
very
happy
and
very
comfortable
building
a
city
hall
on
top
of
a
parking
garage
on
that
location
where
the
psta
is
right.
Now,
however,
we're
back
to
psta
and
we
got
to
get
psta
moved,
but
if
we
tell
psta
you're
going
to
get
all
of
this,
I
guess
my
question
becomes.
If
we're
going
to
give
them
two
blocks
for
psta
to
work
on
for
transportation
and
intermodal
and
future
transportation
needs.
E
That's
an
awful
lot:
that's
an
awful
lot
of
dirt,
we're
trading
for
what,
for
the
size
dirt
we're
getting
and
they're
the
ones
that
are
getting
the
great
benefit
out
of
that.
Maybe
they
ought
to
help
us
find
the
money
to
pay
the
county.
You
know
it's
all.
You
know
money,
you
know
going
back
and
forth
month,
governmental
entities,
but
yeah.
I
think
psga
ought
to
step
up
and
help
us
purchase
the
county
spaces.
A
B
I
was
just
going
to
say
the
the
county
parking
lot
psta
transfer
station
did
enjoy.
B
Originally,
you
know
a
fair
amount
of
support
from
the
previous
challenge,
but
because
of
the
conflict
with
not
it
not
necessarily
supporting
an
iconic
city
hall
in
another
location,
you
know
kept
the
council
for
really
coming
the
closure
on
that.
So
you
all
are
kind
of
going
back
to
something
that
has
always
been
attractive
and
the
other.
B
B
Hall
on
top
of
it,
but
we
need
to
have
a
a
600
700
space
garage
in
that
location.
To
address.
Imagine
clearwater
parking
needs
as
well
as
the
commercial
parking
needs
in
the
downtown,
so
we
were
gonna
our
thinking,
at
least
from
the
administration
perspective
and
talking
to
council
was
we
were
going
to
build
a
garage
in
that
location
anyhow,
so
the
question
was
going
to
be
what
was
going
to
be
paired
with.
D
D
E
Well,
it
also
does
go
back
even
further
than
that
than
that
chronology
that
we've
been
given.
It
goes
all
the
way
back
to
you
know
the
city
at
one
point,
many
many
back
in
the
90s.
I
think
it
was
the
earlier
night
early
90s,
the
city
of
clearwater
purchased
the
sun
bank
building,
which
is
the
glass
building
across
the
street,
from
the
600
building.
The
city
bought
that
and
it
was
going
to
become
the
new
city
all
anymore.
E
A
A
G
Yeah
going
back
to
the
beginning
of
our
meeting
today,
so
it
seems
like
if
we
are
not.
If
we've
decided
that
city
hall
won't
be
combined
with
the
library,
then
we
will
be
extending
this
lease
here
in
the
600
building
correct,
because
there's
no
way
we're
making
any
significant
movement
with
psta
or
anyone
else
to
build,
have
a
completed
city
hall
within
three
years
or
whatever.
We
have
left
here.
Correct.
E
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
I
could
would
totally
agree
with
that,
because
if
we
can
get
the
land
swap
done
and
that
I
would
think
psta
could
operate
temporarily
in
a
you
know,
just
some
some
pavement
on
those
empty
lots
right
now
with
temporary
buildings
just
to
operate
while
they
built
you
know,
do
build
their.
I
think
they
could
they
could
adjust
and
make
it
work
where
we
could
move
forward
on
that
site
with
our
parking
garage
in
a
city
hall.
F
Psta
is
they
they
need
to
move
because
they're
going
to
all
electric
buses?
I
don't
know
if
you
know
that,
but
the
hybrid
buses
are
a
thing
of
the
past,
where
we've
got
two
electric
we're
buying
in
in
manufacture
right
now,
four
more
all-electric
buses
with
charging
loops
and
because
of
the
battery
location
on
the
roof.
They
can't
even
get
under
that
existing
transfer
station
roof.
F
So
I
know
that
they
that's
a
big
thing
on
their
planning
is
to
get
out
of
there
and
get
this
moving
forward.
We
had
to
make
our
decision
first.
The
other
thing
that
dragged
us
out
was
a
year
or
so
ago
having
the
county
in
the
city.
Everything
was
at
a
standstill
then,
until
we
decided
we're,
you
know
if
we
were
going
to
do
a
combination,
county
city
thing.
So
now
that
that's
been
put
to
bed,
I
think
everything
can
really
start
moving
mistaken.
L
E
A
I
don't
want
to
be
right
next
to
the
psta
site.
I
think
there's
still
conflicts,
I'm
sorry.
I
think
I
travel
it
more
than
all
of
you
and
I
just
don't
want
to
be
right
next
to
it,
and
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
it
between
the
msb
and
city
hall.
So
I
would
prefer
to
solve
the
parking
issue
that
we
still
have
in
downtown
combined
with
a
city
hall,
and
I
still
would
not.
A
A
So
if
you
could
either
do
residential
or
commercial
on
top
of
a
city
hall
with
adequate
parking,
I,
like
the
county,
slash
psta
site
better
than
the
rest.
G
Can
I
ask
miss
clayton's
opinion
about
that
location
and
what
she
thinks
about
that.
J
Yeah
we
we
got
it.
We
did
that
that
site
was
included
in
the
rankings,
councilwoman
beckman
and
it
ranked
number
four.
It
received
a
total
of
five
out
of
ten
points,
whereas
the
myrtle
avenue
site
received
9.25
and
then
the
myrtle
avenue
east
at
7.25.
J
Some
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
with
it
is
that
it's
surrounded
by
institutional
uses
on
also
that
intersection
would
have
all
institutional
uses.
The
church
of
scientology
on
two
sides:
peace,
memorial
on
the
other
and
city
hall,
and
we
felt
that
that
would
really
create
a
dead
zone
in
downtown.
So
that's
why
it
did
not
rank
high
on
the
implementation
of
downtown
plan
and
location
criteria.
J
J
Also
rank
you
know
not
as
high
on
the
cost,
because
it
would
involve
some
construction
site
characteristics.
We
thought
it
was.
You
know,
probably
a
a
good
parcel
configuration.
We
didn't
know
of
any
sort
of
adverse
site
conditions
with
it
and
we
we
know
there
could
potentially
be
a
willing
seller,
but
we
thought
that
it
was
a
little
complicated
because
there
were
two
owners
involved,
psta
and
the
county.
It
would
require
some
demolition
and
relocate
so
just
logistically,
it
seemed
to
be
very
involved.
J
G
It
does,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there
are
you
know,
are
there
creative
ways
we
could
get
people
to
know
that
that
would
be
the
city
hall
there.
You
know
I
I
mean
it
is
kind
of
hidden
behind
all
that
stuff.
You
don't
know
that
it's
there
until
you
take
some
steps
up.
I
think
it's
pierce
street.
J
I
think
we
were
looking
at
combining
where
pst
is
located
also
with
the
county
parking
lot,
so
it
would
have
frontage
on
fort
harris.
Oh
okay,
okay,.
G
J
J
Also,
the
other
consideration
why
it
ranked
lower
on
implementation
of
the
plan
is
that
there's
not
really
vacant
property
around
that
area,
and
we
were
looking
at
city
hall
being
a
catalyst
for
other
redevelopment
in
the
media
vicinity
and
that
this
is
just
a
conglomeration
really
of
institutional
uses
around
an
intersection.
Okay,.
A
F
A
E
Well,
to
answer
councilman
beckman.
I
also
think
if
we
ultimately
say
yes-
and
we
do
this-
I
think
you've
got
about
a
two-year
construction
time,
time
frame
to
educate
the
citizens
of
clearwater
that
this
is
going
to
be
our
new
city
all
so
I
I
think
you've
got
plenty
of
time
to
get
that
message
out.
A
F
Mayor
yeah-
and
you
know
we
just
talked
about
imagine
clearwater,
being
a
30-month
project
with
our
construction
advisor
saying
he
could
probably
pull
it
in
less
than
that.
So,
if
we're
talking
about
completing,
imagine
clearwater
we're
going
to
be
talking
real
soon
about
where
we're
putting
parking,
because
we
we're
going
to
need
that
aspect
of
it.
So
I
think
that
this
could
happen.
If
we
make
the
decision
to
move
forward,
we
can
make
it
before
we
have
to
really
re-up
another
five
years.
G
E
Anybody
have
well,
the
parking
fund
has
money
to
help,
help
pay
for
the
parking.
The
parking
garage
aspect
of
the
thing
so
ours,
our
expenses,
the
actual
building
on
top
okay.
A
And
that's
why
if
you
had
a
public
private
partnership
where
there
was
either
a
commercial
or
residential
that
sits
on
top
of
that
that
doesn't
have
land
cost,
you
might
be
able
to
also
help
offset
some
of
your
costs.
A
A
A
A
K
Well,
I
was
gonna
say
we
had
about
10.
I
think
in
the
parking
fund
set
aside
for
this
garage,
but
the
cost
for
what
we're
talking
about
now
going
vertical,
so
much
will
be
slightly
higher
than
your
standard
dollar
per
square
foot
that
harvard
jolly
use
for
two-story
buildings.
K
So
just
to
let
you
know,
you
know
if
it
was
just
a
two-story
city
hall
and
then
a
separate
garage.
You
know
we're
looking
at
maybe
40
million,
but
now
that
you're
all
stacking
everything
it
would
just
be
a
guess,
but
it
would
be
more
than
40..
B
A
F
A
C
Yes
mayor,
I
I'm
kind
of
hearing.
You
come
together
around
two
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
please
and
one.
Thank
you.
That's
a
lot
of
great
discussion
today.
C
Site,
okay,
the
fort
harrison
psta
site.
Yes,
yes,
would
your
direction
today
to
be
to
really
turn
our
attention
exclusively
to
the
psta
fort
harrison
site
and
and
try
to
pull
together
a
package
of
information
for
you
that
will
give
you
a
comfort
level
to
really
provide
that
specific
direction
to
proceed
forward
or
take
a
look
at
a
second
option.
A
C
Well,
I
want
to
be,
you
know,
just
to
have
a
sense
of
what,
if
my
understanding
is
correct,
if
we
had
to
have
a
fallback
position,
have
I
heard
correctly
that
that
fallback
position
might
be
the
property
immediately
to
the
south
of
the
msb?
Is
that
would
that
be
true?
I
know.
A
Councilmember
hamilton
prefers
that
I
do
council
member
bunker
beckman.
I
think,
there's
operational
questions,
yes
from
psta.
That
need
to
be
answered.
A
F
G
C
Any
change
in
the
library
plans
that
you
all
have
already
approved,
but
if,
as
part
of
our
take
away
from
this
city
hall
discussion
today,
you
collectively
want
a
redesign
to
the
first
floor
of
the
library.
Then
then
I
do
want
to
come
away
with
that
direction
today
or
tomorrow
night.
If
the
decision
needs
to
be
made,
then
I'd.
G
Okay
and
and
then
when,
when
the
shovels
start
with
with
the
library,
does
that
mean
that
we,
you
know?
How
is
that
access
to
the
serving
council
chambers
right
now
going
to
go?
You
know,
what's
what's
happening
with
that.
C
We're
we're
having
discussions
among
staff
with
that.
I
think
clearly,
the
the
folks,
the
contractors
who
would
be
building
the
library
would
prefer
us
to
vacate
it.
There
are
some
technical
logistical
problems
that
are
pretty
pronounced
with
moving
out
of
the
library,
given
the
technology
that
we
use
in
the
council
chamber.
C
That's
a
that
task
is
rather
disconcerting
to
our
public
communications
and
the
folks
who
support
our
public
meetings.
So
we're
we're
going
to
try
to
sort
that
out
over
the
next
short
period
of
time.
For
you.
A
Okay,
well,
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
today.
I
want
to
thank
the
council
for
a
really
good
conversation.
I
appreciate
everybody's
frank
opinions
and
we
will,
if
I
could.
H
A
L
B
B
Verbal
reports,
of
course,
and
have
all
the
requisite
staff
available
to
get
us
through
the
ending
okay.