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A
Good
evening,
everyone
we
will
call
the
july
7
2022
special
council
meeting
to
order
if
there
are
any
citizens
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
speak
to
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
We
ask
you
to
fill
out
a
comment
card.
Please
come
forward
to
the
podium
and
we
ask
you
to
respectfully
keep
your
comments
to
three
minutes.
B
Okay,
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
progress
report
on
how
you've
been
doing.
We
could
have
a
satanic
ritual
out
on
cleveland
street
and
you
drop
it
from
15
people.
Now
you
got
on
a
friday
night
you're
trying
to
build
in
a
capitalistic
city
right.
We
can
knock
it
down
to
zero,
maybe
five
people-
maybe
you
know,
there's
no
way
you're
going
to
win
this
mk
ultra
routine.
You
got
here
blue
project
blue
book
yeah.
That's
what
it
is
project
blue
book,
that's
what
it's
called.
It's
called
mk
ultra.
Okay,
it's
already
been
outlawed.
B
Why
is
it
still
going
out?
I
don't
understand
this
is
where
I
have
a
problem
with
the
whole
story.
Here
you
know
you're
still
facilitating
a
violation
of
the
law.
These
people
are
brainwashed,
they're,
literally
putting
it
on
at
night
now
to
try
and
hide
them
from
us.
So
we
can't
see
this.
We
can't
see
the
old
people
there
with
their
shoes
and
cut
in
a
groove,
because
they've
been
walking
so
far
they're
both
their
shoulders
are
tapped
together
right,
they
walk
down
the
street
together.
Oh
that's
perfect!
B
In
a
capitalistic
society,
with
little
children
walking
around
like
zombies,
they
don't
play
with
toys.
They
don't
play
with
the
the
playground.
They
don't
do
any
of
that
stuff.
Do
that?
Do
not
like
us
in
that
respect?
Okay,
you
know
these
people
are
abused
beyond
belief.
I
sent
you
an
email
regarding
paying
these
people
off
with
the
aftermath
foundation.
A
hundred
million
dollars
is
just
a
down
payment.
These
people
should
have
got
for
the
punitive
damage
that
was
caused
by
this
political
process.
Here,
not
them,
they
didn't
do
it.
They
we
came
in
here.
B
People
knew
this
was
going
on.
They
kept
saying
no
next,
you
know
they're
buying
our
political
process
that
freaking
oh
the
walk
park
for
the
public.
Perfect
it
matches
right
with
all
the
rest
of
it
right.
You
know
it's,
it's
all
the
same
thing
right.
You
know
it's
ridiculous,
you
the
second!
You
guys
took
that
hundred
million
dollars.
Everybody
knew
it
was
going
to
mk
ultra
to
this
the
project
blue
book.
It's
got
a
million
different
names
to
it
I
mean
it's
appalling.
B
It
really
is
it's
appalling
and
if
you
see
these
elderly
people
working
out
there,
you
know
in
this
hot
weather
and
stuff.
You
know
they'd
stop
at
nothing.
You
know
they
stop
at
nothing,
we're
selling
the
scavenge.
Can
you
guys
position
bring
a
shelly
miscavige?
Wouldn't
that
be
a
great
idea
when
you
were
meeting
with
david
mcgavin
ask
him
where
his
wife
has
been
missing
for
how
many
years
now
I
do
not
care
if
she's
the
cockroach
is
eating.
Her,
like
lisa
mcpherson,
bring
her
in
here.
B
Yes,
no,
this
is
a
fact,
it's
a
fact
in
england.
So
no
we
want
the
white
back
where
we
can
see
actually
she's
alive,
okay,
because
we
think
she's
been
killed.
That's
what
started
part
of
this
argument.
The
first
place
give
us
shelling
the
scavengers
and
let
these
people
go
from
this,
this
brainwashing,
that
you
have
them
on.
Okay,.
C
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
council,
members
patrick
raftery,
42
year,
resident
of
the
countryside
area,
I
want
to
speak
on
an
old
subject
that
I've
not
been
able
to
address
with
some
comments
and
observations
I
have,
and
that
is.
I
applaud
the
decision-making
process,
with
the
unanimous
selection
of
ruth
eckert
hall
to
manage
and
control
the
events
at
the
new
amphitheater
that
will
be
put
in
place.
C
C
There
are
many
unknowns
as
this
partnership
moves
forward.
Therefore,
we
need
to
be
flexible,
as
many
details
cannot
be
specified
in
the
early
stages
of
this
activity
or
defined.
As
this
is
a
new
endeavor,
unknowns
will
be
present.
Adjustments
may
be
needed
as
circumstances
change
and
events
dictate
that
previous
assumptions
need
to
be
corrected
and
adjusted.
D
D
Now
the
subject
of
my
open
records
request
was
michael,
ronald
wallach
he's
a
transplanted
new
yorker.
He
also
is
a
former
pizza
baker
for
nearly
seven
years.
So
I
guess
a
guy
that
works
on
a
pizza,
oven
for
seven
years
can't
be
all
bad
and
he
probably
makes
some
pretty
good
pizza,
but
does
he
fit
those
other
three
criteria?
D
I
don't
know,
mr
hibbard.
Is
he
your
friend
mr
maxwell
is
not
here,
but
I
don't
think
he's
his
friend
speckman
is
mr
wallach,
your
friend,
you
have
pizza
with
him.
Sometimes
you
know
you
hang
out.
D
D
D
He
has
no
real
ties
to
this
community.
He
has
no
real
connections
other
than
his
job
he's
a
a
bit
of
an
inbred
clearwater
cop
who
chooses
not
to
be
a
member
of
this
community.
D
D
D
A
Thank
you.
I
do
not
believe
there
was
a
requirement
that
we,
our
deputy
chiefs,
have
to
live
in
the
city
of
clearwater
and
we've
even
for
everybody.
We've
even
had
chiefs
that
didn't
live
in
the
city,
so
anyone
else
for
citizens
to
be
heard
before
I
close
it.
F
Nothing
other
than
I
just
want
to
thank
mr
margolis.
He
has
worked
incredibly
hard
over
the
last
couple
of
well
ten
days
or
so
whatever
it's
been,
it
seems
like
a
month.
Yeah
it's
worked
has
worked
the
weekends
and
everything
and
so
david.
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
that
yeah
we're
in
your
debt-
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
the
gotham
group
and
their
representatives
for
working
collaboratively
with
us
as
well,
so.
A
So
tonight
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
item
4.1,
that's
solely
what
we're
working
on
tonight,
which
is
really
the
referendum
question
that
will
be
before
us.
On
november
8th.
There
are
still
ongoing
negotiations
with
the
development
agreement
which
we
will
be
examining
and
discussing
in
a
future
meeting
correctness
from
our
goals.
A
Yes,
sir,
okay,
so
item
4.1
is
call
for
an
election
on
november,
8th
2022
to
present
a
referendum
question
to
the
city,
electors,
amending
the
charter
of
the
city
to
allow
the
redevelopment
and
sale
of
two
certain
unoccupied
properties
in
the
downtown
core
and
pass
ordinance
9597-22
on
first
reading.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you
from
here.
G
As
mr
jennings
said,
it's
been
a
quite
a
busy
past
few
weeks,
not
only
on
our
side
but
also,
as
mr
jennings
said,
on
the
gotham
side
as
well,
and
the
denunzio
team
doing
this
in
record
time,
especially
through
independence
day
weekend,
is
not
easy,
but
I
am
pleased
to
say
that
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress.
I
feel
good
about
the
direction
that
we're
heading.
G
As
the
mayor
said,
the
item
that's
on
tonight's
agenda
is
specifically
dealing
with
the
ordinance
that
will
be
put
before
voters
asking
voters
to
consider
whether
they
will
allow
an
amendment
to
the
city
charter,
which
will
in
turn,
allow
us
to
ratify
all
of
the
terms
of
the
deal.
So
what
does
that
ordinance
actually
say
that
ordinance,
which
has
been
shared
with
council?
G
For
july
21st
and
that's
okay,
this
call
has
confirmed
with
the
supervisor
of
elections
that
if
we
make
some
tweaks
or
adjustments
this
evening
or
rewrite
the
entire
thing
this
evening,
that's
okay,
because
we
can
reset
a
first
reading
for
july
21st,
then
after
the
adjusted
or
revised
version
gets
passed
on
july
21st,
a
second
reading
will
be
set
for
august
4th.
Those
are
the
normal
council
meetings.
G
As
I
said,
ms
call
had
confirmed
gesture
to
her
mdc,
but
just
trust
me
she
did
with
the
supervisor
of
elections
that,
in
fact,
they
just
need
90
days
notice.
So
as
long
as
council
passes
this
ordinance
on
second
reading
august
4th,
we
will
still
make
the
november
ballot,
which
is
the
direction
that
council
has
given.
G
So
to
that
end,
the
title
as
currently
presented
to
council
for
95
97-22
is
as
follows:
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
clearwater
florida
calling
for
an
election
to
be
held
on
november
8,
2022,
submitting
to
the
city
electors
a
proposed
amendment
to
the
city
charter,
to
allow
the
city
to
negotiate
the
redevelopment
and
sale
of
certain
unoccupied,
downtown
property
in
the
downtown
core.
G
Everything
that
follows
in
the
body
of
this
ordinance
are
the
amendments
to
the
city
charter
themselves,
meaning
that
the
underlying
text
that
is
shown
would
actually
be
the
new
language
that
will
be
in
the
city
charter.
If
voters
approve
the
ballot
question
in
november,
the
main
question
for
council
is
really
toward
the
bottom
of
the
ordinance,
which
includes
the
summary
or
explanatory
statement
that
will
be
presented
to
voters
on
the
ballot.
G
All
of
the
other
documents
will
all
be
discussed
publicly
at
council.
As
the
mayor
said,
so
all
of
this
is
going
to
come
out
in
public
discourse
over
the
next
few
weeks,
but
for
right
now,
what's
most
important
this
evening
with
the
time
constraints
that
we
are
under
is
for
council
to
agree
upon
the
explanatory
statement
at
the
bottom
of
the
ordinance,
if
nothing
else,
that
is
really
the
most
crucial
and
really,
I
would
say,
only
crucial
matter
to
address
this
evening.
G
So
the
language
that's
before
you
is
language
that
has
been
proposed
by
the
city
attorney's
office,
I've
gotten
input
from
council
members,
I've
gotten
input
from
the
city,
staff
and
city
manager.
I've
got
an
input
from
gotham
because
this
is
going
to
affect
them
as
well.
However,
council
is
free
this
evening
to
make
as
many
changes
as
you
like.
It's
not
going
to
hurt
my
feelings
one
bit,
so
please
feel
free
to
mark
this
up
change.
G
It
make
any
changes
you
like,
but
whatever
changes
you
make
have
to
be
made
now
so
that
we
can
lock
into
the
language
1075
words
in
75
words
and
yeah,
and
thank
you
for
reminding
me
that
mayor
so
not
only
in
75
words.
Well,
one
slight
reprieve
is
that
hyphenated
words
can
count
as
one.
So
if
there's
a
hyphenated
word,
that's
a
reasonably
hyphenated
word.
I
think
we
could
count
that
as
one
but
yes
to
the
mayor's
point.
75
words
is
all
we
get
from
from
my
perspective
in
protecting
the
city.
G
What's
most
important
substantively
in
these
75
words
is
that
we
have
to
inform
and
educate
voters
as
to
what
changes
we're
actually
making
in
the
charter
itself.
So
in
other
words,
we
need
to
tell
them
what
the
charter
says
today
versus
what
it
is
that
we're
asking
them
to
consider
for
the
future.
If
we
communicate
that
in
a
fair
and
transparent
way,
then
we
will
be
fine
from
a
legal
perspective.
H
So
I
understand
that
it's
important
that
tonight
our
our
ultimate
task
is
to
okay,
the
70-some
words
right
on
page
three
at
the
bottom.
H
Pardon
five
words.
Yes,
okay,
however,
all
right,
so
I
only
have
one
question
about
the
75
words
and
it
kind
of
it
goes
back
to
the
ordinance,
that's
written
in
all
caps
and
it's
the
phrase
consisting
of
multi-family
housing,
comma
hotel.
G
That's
a
great
question,
so
multi-family
housing,
as
that
term
is
typically
used
potentially,
could
include
both
condos
and
apartments.
However,
my
understanding
and
frankly
ms
cole
is
here
to
speak
to
this,
but
I
believe
that
gotham's
business
model
to
which
they
are
fully
committed
is
apartments
exclusively.
I
do
not
believe
there
are
any
plans
for
condo
conversion,
condo
construction
or
anything
to
that
effect.
G
I
see
miss
call
shaking
her
head
vociferously
in
the
negative
so
based
on
those
conversations
with
gotham
and
based
on
the
uses
that
council
has
contemplated
in
the
body
of
the
ordinance
which,
as
I
said,
will
amend
the
city
charter
itself.
We
go
into
some
more
detail
about
what
those
multi-family
houses
housing
will
look
like.
G
Only
if
this
language
is
approved
by
council
and
approved
by
voters
that
will
operate
as
a
use
restriction
that
is
durable,
so
that
will
essentially
include
any
sort
of
conversion
or
use
in
the
future,
which
would
not
allow
the
property
to
be
used
for
rent
to
the
general
public.
Now
the
charter
can
be
revisited
in
the
future,
of
course,
but
it's
a
pretty
durable
restriction
in
there.
So
if
council
is
concerned
to
ensure
that
this
remains
apartments,
I
feel
pretty
confident
that
these
provisions
will
ensure
that
these
remain
apartments.
G
Possible,
we
certainly
could
the
term
multi-family
housing
has
some
pretty
specific
technical
definitions
in
our
code.
So
that's
why
it
was
actually
a
more
precise
word
to
use,
but
if
council
would
like
to
change
the
word
multi-family
housing
to
apartments,
especially
in
the
title
of
the
ordinance,
certainly
council
could
do
that.
I
And
I
agree
because
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
important
to
to
our
citizens
when
going
to
the
poll
and
voting
this
referendum
is
knowing
that
they're
going
to
be
apartments
and
not
condos,
because
we
don't
want
secondary
housing
on
the
bluff,
with
people
buying
a
condo
and
being
here
two
months
out
of
the
year
where
apartments
people
are
going
to
be
here
and
pretty
much
live
here
in
the
apartments.
I
So
I
think
that
that
going
through
this,
that
was
something
that,
with
the
vice
mayor,
that
I
kind
of
think
is
important
to
make
sure
the
public
understands
that
right
in
the
75
words.
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
get
into
really
the
meat
of
the
ordinance
when
they
go
to
vote.
I
But
this
part
of
it
is
on
the
ballot,
and
I
think,
if
you
let
them
know
it's
apartments
versus
condos.
That
may
be
an
important.
I
A
That
was
a
change
I
also
made
in
one
of
the
versions
that
I
came
up
with,
and
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
add
in
here
and
can
still
keep
the
word
count
down,
is
not
only
the
158
key
hotel,
rental
housing,
but
restaurant
as
well.
It
is
in
the
body
of
the
charter
change,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
critically
important
is,
I
think
citizens
need
to
understand.
A
First
of
all
in
the
rfp
we
did
not
want
condominiums,
because
we
understand
that
oftentimes
the
condominiums
are
not
occupied
year
round.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
in
condos
throughout
clearwater,
it's
great,
they
can
afford
it
and
they
can
go
up
north
when
it
gets
too
darn
hot,
which
I
wish
I
could
do
right
now,
but
we're
here,
and
so
we
wanted
rental,
because
we
want
people
that
are
going
to
be
there
basically
365
days
a
year
who
are
going
to
be
frequenting,
restaurants
and
retail
and
everything
else
and
adding
to
vibrancy.
A
A
A
Do
on
these
properties
that
the
city
has
owned,
and
now
I
can
go
to
restaurants,
I
can
eat
overlook.
Imagine
clear
water,
you
know,
take
my
family
when
they
come
in
from
out
of
town
and
show
them.
This
dynamite
place
that
we
have
downtown,
and
so
I
think
that
ought
to
be
included,
but-
and
I
just
did
a
copy
with
spacing,
as
I
think
an
english
teacher
would
tell
you
to
do
so-
you
can
put
edits.
A
You
want
to
give
one
to
mr
jettings.
A
I
asked
the
sprite
to
put
the
original
document
in
a
word
document,
so
she
can
put
it
up
on
the
screen
and
there
it
is.
H
H
A
Are
you,
okay,
with
taking
out
the
just
saying,
600
apartments.
G
I
think
that's
fine,
I
mean
the
the
purpose
of
I
mean.
Let's
say
it
this
way:
the
courts
understand
and
sympathize
with
the
challenge
that
local
governments
face,
because
on
one
hand
we
want
to
put
as
much
information
out
there
to
voters
as
possible,
so
people
know
what
they're
voting
on,
but
at
the
same
time
the
legislature
has
constrained
us,
75
works
and
there's
only
so
much.
You
can
say
about
a
complex
deal
in
75
words.
I
think
apartments
is
a
great
word,
because
I
think
everyone
in
common
language
understands
what
that
means.
G
I
do
want
to
just
make
one
comment
and
not
to
to
move
on
from
that
topic,
but
also,
of
course,
related
to
the
final
verbiage
here.
One
of
the
issues
that
I
know
that's
important
to
our
development
partners-
and
I
agree
with
them-
is
the
phrase
158
key
hotel
because
we
are
so
early
in
the
process.
It's
possible.
G
There
may
be
small
deviations
in
that
if
the
final
number
ends
up
at
159
or
157,
or
things
like
that,
it's
probably
best
not
to
have
a
hard
number
or
if
we
do
have
a
hard
number-
and
we
add
the
word
approximately-
that
would
be
fine
as
well
as
long
as
we're
still
in
the
75
words
the
mayor
indicated.
I
think
that
this
is
74.,
so
if
this
is
74
and
if
we
were
to
add
another
word
approximately
after
the
word
housing
that
would,
I
believe,
address
the
concern
that
kaufman
I
have
discussed.
H
G
G
Sure
we
could
potentially
add
a
provision
in
the
body
right
now
in
the
body.
I've
kept
it
a
little
bit
more
general
than
that,
but
if
to
your
to
the
point
there,
if
there's
a
desire
to
communicate
to
residents
that
it
will
not
be
any
bigger
or
more
dense
than
this,
for
example,
that
certainly
could
be
added
this
evening
to
the
body
of
the
charter
itself.
But
to
your
point
I
definitely
would
want
with
fenunzio
and
gotham
here
for
them
to
weigh
in
on
that.
K
That's
cool
good
evening,
mayor
council
members,
katie
cole,
with
hillward
henderson
representing
the
developer.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
mr
margolis
correctly
said
we
did
express
concern
over
the
158
key
hotel
and
providing
flexibility
to
that
number.
To
address
one
question:
the
max
number
is
600
and
158.
That's
what's
been
advertised
for
the
development
agreement
under
the
city's
code
in
process,
that's
what
would
be
drafted
in
the
development
agreement
and
to
increase
any
density
or
intensity
on
the
site
which
is
not
memorialized
in
the
development
agreement
would
require
an
amendment
to
that
development
agreement.
K
That
said,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out,
the
language
in
the
actual
charter
amendment
does
not
memorialize
those
numbers.
It's
just
attempting
to
properly
reflect
what
the
project
is.
So
we
are
comfortable
with
the
word
approximately
to
to
mr
margolis's
point,
I
believe,
with
staff
and
through
the
drc
process.
K
We've
been
talking
about
a
minimum
maximum
of
the
apartments
between
500
to
600
or
525
to
600,
just
because
it
hasn't
been
designed
yet,
and
so
the
ultimate
goal
is
the
600,
but
once
we
do
parking
and
do
unit
counts
and
spread
out,
there
may
be
in
a
building
that
size.
Some
fluctuation,
so
10
might
not
be
enough
when
at
the
apartment,
but
certainly
a
10
reduction
of
the
hotel
would
be
more
than
enough.
And
candidly
I
mean
we
don't
expect
it
to
be
any
less.
K
We
expect
these
numbers,
but
to
the
mayor's
point,
we
wouldn't
want
to
mislead
the
voters
that
it
that
there
is
a
difference
so
having
some
equivocal
language
before
both
the
housing
units
and
the
hotel
would
be
important
to
the
developer.
We
also
think
it's
important
instead
of
either
in
addition
to,
or
instead
of
amenities,
to
clarify
the
commercial
spaces
and
restaurant
uses,
amenities
could
be
implied
to
be
specific
to
the
housing
and
hotel
use,
and
so
having
that
opened
up
to
include
restaurant
and
commercial
spaces.
K
I
think
it's
nitpick
language,
but
instead
of
who
will
create
you
can
lose
another
word
by
saying
to
create
or
to
develop.
So
I
there's
some
room
to
play
there,
but
but
the
language
you
all
are
speaking
about
to
both
add
the
flexibility
to
the
unit
count
be
clear
on
apartments
is
fine
and
ensure
that
the
communication
is
that
there
are
commercial
spaces.
There.
A
Well,
I
think
we
want
to
give
a
certainty
to
people
that
it's
not
going
to
get
bigger
and
that's
obviously
already
in
the
agreement.
But
I
also
want
to
make
certain
that
it
doesn't
shrink
to
the
point
where
we
don't
have
the
economic
impact
absolutely
and
if
that's
you
know
spelled
out
in
the
document,
I'm
fine
with
that
rather
than
in
the
question.
Obviously,
but
I
think
that's
necessary.
A
G
That
would
be
best
if
we
can
fit
the
words
for
sure
I
mean
that's
something
that
miss
cole
and
I
have
discussed
rather
extensively.
I
know
that's
a
strong
ask
on
on
their
side,
honestly,
I'm
not
quite
as
concerned
about
it
as
they
are,
but
I
understand
their
their
concerns
so,
if
possible,
I
would
prefer
to
have
that
one.
A
D
K
K
L
H
A
K
K
It's
not
the
list
of
everything
that
may
be
the
option
in
the
development
agreement,
so
I
I
think
that
I
would
be
more
comfortable,
excluding
cultural
here
and
referring
to
it
aspiration
more
aspirationally
in
the
development
agreement
if
that's
acceptable,
but
but
I
wouldn't
I
don't
in
my
opinion,
mr
mcgolas,
I
I
don't
think
that
this
this
description
doesn't
preclude
that
use.
Necessarily
it
just
is
a
descriptive
as
to
what's
happening,
and
we
want
that
to
be
the
most
communicative.
K
G
Areas
where
I
can
give
a
very
technical
lawyer
answer,
but
there's
also
kind
of
the
realities
of
how
we
communicate
with
voters
so
on
one
hand
as
phrased.
This
is
simply
encompassing
the
entire
universe
of
possible
uses,
but
not
obligating
us
to
have
any
particular
use
in
there
that
certainly,
I
would
certainly
agree
with
all
of
that
legally,
but
I
fear
you
know
politically.
H
H
K
H
B
A
H
Well,
you
know
when,
and
maybe
part
of
my
second
part
of
my
questions
I
like
that-
we're
wordsmithing
this,
but
another
tangent
of
my
questions
is
right
above
it
when
mr
margolis
refers
to
this
body,
which
is
under
b,
the
agreements
described
in
subparagraph
a
must
include
at
a
minimum
the
following
enforceable
provisions
and
that's
where
I'm
like.
Okay,
why
aren't
I
seeing
some
more
things,
and
so
how
long
can
that
be?
H
You
know,
because
would
an
enforceable
provision
be
an
event
space,
so
I've
got
why
no
language
about
the
presence
of
a
hotel
overnight,
accommodations
event,
space,
the
minimums
we
are
expecting
with
you
know:
restaurants,
bars,
cafes,
retail
was
one
comment
and
then
another
one
was
as
to
both
sites.
There's
no
mention
of
a
duration
of
an
agreement
and
that's
like
profoundly
important,
and
where
does
that
go?
G
We
are
now
bound
by
that
more
or
less
for
all
time
until
the
charter
is
amended,
and
I
do
have
some
concern,
particularly
given
the
ambitious
time
frame
in
which
we're
doing
this-
that
we
may
accidentally
write
ourselves
into
a
place
where
we
find
out
that
the
development
agreement
is
not
going
to
be
compatible
with
the
charter
itself.
G
Absolutely,
and
so
that's
that's
why,
at
least
with
what
I've
presented
here,
the
numbers-
I
you
know
two
three,
four
five
roman
numerals
one
through
five,
at
least
in
my
opinion-
are
the
core
things
that
we
must
codify
more
or
less
for
all
time
in
the
charter,
so
that
voters
know
at
a
core
level
what
we
are
committed
to
in
the
long
term
and
what
this
city
is.
G
You
know
in
for
the
long
haul
and
when
it
comes
to
these
properties,
so
I
do
think
that
it
is
appropriate
to
include
some
of
those
issues,
as
the
vice
mayor
said,
to
protect
our
citizens,
and
so
citizens
know
what
they're
getting.
However,
again,
it's
a
delicate
balance,
the
more
we
put
in
there,
the
more
it's
going
to
tie
council's
hands.
G
L
K
We
were
just
reflecting
on
the
cultural
uses,
question
and
I
think
amenities
can
be
implied
under
the
code
that
the
multi-family
will
have
residential
amenities
and
the
hotel
will
have
its
own.
So
perhaps
you
could
replace
the
word
amenities
with
and
cultural
uses,
to
give
notice
that
that's
an
intended
and
permitted
use,
but
that
would
be
a
suggestion.
Certainly
it
would
be
the
developer's
intent
to
incorporate
that
as
we
move
forward.
I
I
don't
have
an
active
reward
counsel.
I
wasn't
counting
words
tonight.
I
think
we
were
at
73.
I
A
F
No,
I
think
it
does
capture
the
the
full
opportunity
of
the
proposal
and
the
obviously
the
opportunity
for
the
city.
It
clearly
defines
what
the
uses
will
be.
F
A
I
agree
with
you.
That's
a
really
good
point,
because
you
know
they
would
consider
it.
The
harbor
view
parking
lot
and
everything
else
which
obviously
this
site
is
not
that
big
and
a
lot
of
imagine
clear
water
is
on
there,
don't
take
it
out.
No,
I
was
just
highlighting
it.
Okay,
I
thought
you
were
going
to
ace
it
vice
mayor,
you
had
your
hand
up.
H
Yeah,
I'm
okay
with
that
language.
I
think
it's
fine.
I
I
don't
know
if
you
know,
I'm
still
concerned
about
some
of
the
body,
maybe
adding
a
little
bit
more
to
the
body
of
the
charter.
G
Tonight
any
material
amendments,
it's
okay
to
change,
grammar
or
syntax
little
things
later
on,
but
certainly
any
substantive
provisions,
especially
if
there's
a
desire
to
add
more
restrictions
in
the
charter
should
definitely
be
made
this
evening.
G
I
think
that
would
be
fine.
The
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
state
law
caps
a
development
agreement
at
30
years,
so
there's
no
universe
in
which
it
could
persist
longer
than
that
our
own
code
caps
currently
development
agreements
at
20
years,
and
so
if
we
were
to
amend
the
charter
to
say
up
to
30
years,
we
will
probably
have
to
come
back
later
and
amend
our
own
code
to
conform
to
the
new
charter
amendment.
G
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Good
evening,
we'll
reconvene
this
special
council
meeting,
mr
margolis.
G
Thank
you
mayor,
so
I
did
just
meet
with
miss
cole.
Mr
dunzio
she's
been
speaking
with
her
clients.
What
we
were
just
talking
through
for
both
council's
benefit
and
for
the
public
benefit
is
making
sure
a
couple
things
number
one.
G
Whatever
duration
we
put
in
the
city
charter
is
compatible
with
state
law
so
that
we
don't
accidentally
violate
state
law
number
two
to
make
sure
that
it
is
something
that
that
is
not
going
to
cause
problems
that
were
unforeseen
or
unexpected,
particularly
things
that
we
don't
think
about
as
much
on
the
city
side
like
their
financing
and
issues
that
can
affect
them,
because,
certainly
up
until
now,
miss
cole
and
I
have
been
discussing
an
agreement
of
10
to
20
years.
G
I
certainly
planned
on
going
for
20
because
I
think
that's
reasonable,
but
20
years
has
been
the
cap
in
our
code
up
until
this
point.
So
with
that
being
the
case,
ms
cole
can
speak
more
to
it,
but
I
believe
at
the
risk
of
speaking
for
her
and
her
clients,
an
agreement
with
an
initial
term
of
30
years
would
be
something
they
are
amenable
to
does
not
seem
like
that.
G
Would
cause
any
major
heartburn,
and
so,
if
that's
something
we'd
like
to
incorporate
in
the
charter,
I
believe
that
would
not
cause
any
problems
based
on
what
we
know
right
now
in
terms
of
the
development
agreement.
So
the
way
we'd
want
to
phrase
that
if
we
want
to
put
it
as
a
30-year
term,
rather
than
as
a
20
or
less
term,
we
would
want
to
add
another
subsection,
as
the
vice
mayor
said,
and
we
could
probably
put
I'll
I'll
either.
G
Do
it
as
a
subsection,
six
or
I'll
have
to
look
at
that
momentarily,
but
think
about
exactly
where
we're
going
to
put
it,
but
wherever
we
put
it,
whether
it's
in
b
or
whether
it's
a
subsection
six,
it
will
have
to
specify
the
initial
term
of
the
development
agreement
will
be
for
30
years
relating
to
this
property.
So
that
would
not
preclude
any
sort
of
future
amendment.
It
would
not
preclude
a
future
extension.
You
know
who
knows
what's
gonna
happen,
30
years
from
now,
but
it
will
say
an
initial
term
of
30
years.
G
I
do
think,
if
we're
going
to
say
that
we
should
also
be
very
specific
and
point
out
that
the
term
of
the
30-year
agreement
must
comply
with
the
terms
of
the
development
agreement
itself,
as
well
as
the
other
restrictions
in
this
charter,
and
that
way
we're
all
on
the
same
page
as
to
what
the
expectations
actually
are.
In
other
words,
I
don't
want
this
new
provision
to
accidentally
be
interpreted
as
either
negating
or
overriding
either
other
provisions
in
the
city
charter
or
any
provisions
in
the
development
agreement
itself.
G
So
as
long
as
we're
careful
in
how
we
draft
it,
I
believe
we
have
an
agreement
on
that.
A
The
reason
we
have
a
bunch
of
professionals
is
to
get
their
opinions
on
things
and
during
the
recess,
miss
clayton,
and
I
were
talking
and
she
had
an
opinion
on
the
word
entertainment
and
is
it
a
duplication
somewhat
with
cultural
and
also
does
it
connote
something
that
we
may
not
want.
M
I
think
that
pretty
much
says
it
in
looking
at
the
plans
that
have
been
submitted
and
talking
to
the
applicants
about
what
they're
proposing
I
was
trying
to
get
what
would
be
entertainment
and
their
uses.
That
is
not
of
a
cultural
nature,
and
so
I
think
I
would
really
rely
on
them
to
give
you
the
firm
answer,
and
I
guess
when
I
heard
the
word
entertainment,
I
don't
want
people
to
think
that
this
is
party
central
or
you
know
something
that
you're
really
not
intending
and
that
the
developer
is
not
intending
to
build.
K
Certainly
katie
cole.
We
we
do
not
want
to
mislead
the
public
with
respect
to
entertainment,
because
there
is,
while
entertainment
in
the
generic
sense,
meaning
a
band
at
the
beer
garden
or
a
musical
would
obviously
be
part
of
the
programming
of
this
area
and
to
activate
it.
I
would
not
want
anyone
to
get
the
impression
that
the
word
entertainment
was
something
more
than
just
general
programming,
so
I
think
that
any
of
those
uses
are
incorporated
in
the
retail,
restaurant
and
cultural
description,
any
ancillary
entertainment
uses.
So
it
totally
defer
to
you
all
on
that.
H
Voicemail
we
toured
that
development
in
tampa
that
had
a
small
playhouse
incorporated
in
theirs,
you
know,
would
would
that
fall
under
entertainment
if
there
were
a
community
cultural
theater
there,
okay.
A
L
A
Clubs
in
clearwater,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear,
there's
one
grandfathered
in
and
one's
in
the
county
somebody
said:
well,
how
do
you
know
all
that,
and
I
I
don't
firsthand
I
just
want
everyone
to
know.
I
think
my
wife
is
watching
this
program.
I
H
A
G
Am,
and
so
that
is
of
course,
always
a
precarious
situation
to
be
in,
in
all
honesty,
to
counsel
it's
kind
of
like
performing
heart
surgery
on
the
fly,
but
that's
why
we're
going
to
read
it
out
loud?
G
That's
why
everyone
in
the
public,
as
well
as
the
developers
and
the
council,
get
to
hear
exactly
what's
going
to
be
stated
and
we'll
pretty
much
read
it
verbatim
if
there
is
a
desire
to
do
that
so,
based
on
what
I've
heard
as
far
as
potential
conversation,
I
have
come
up
with
a
proposal
for
potential
language
subject
to
criticism
and
review.
G
Yes,
as
to
subsection
b
in
the
ordinance
that
we're
talking
about
here,
which
again
is
part
of
the
city
charter
itself,
I
would
propose
adding
two
new
subsections,
all
after
roman
numeral,
five,
so
in
other
words
a
subsection,
roman
numeral,
six
and
a
roman
numeral,
seven
roman
numeral.
Six
based
on
my
initial
drafting,
would
say
as
follows:
a
development
agreement
with
an
initial
term
of
30
years
period.
G
That
would
be
something
simple.
It's
straightforward!
The
reason
I've
drafted
it
that
way
is
because
earlier
on,
in
the
ordinance
and
specifically
in
subsection
a
we
are
talking
about
both
development
agreements
and
purchase
agreements,
and
so
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
the
purchase
agreement
has
nothing
to
do
with
a
duration
of
30
years.
G
I'm
sure
that
the
developers
would
appreciate
that
as
well.
So
a
development
agreement
with
an
initial
term
of
30
years
is
roman
numeral.
Six,
that
I've
proposed
roman
numeral,
seven
would
say
a
provision
in
the
development
agreement.
G
A
provision
in
the
development
agreement
requiring
that
the
terms
of
the
development
agreement
shall
be
subject
to
the
provisions
in
this
charter.
Now
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
we
would
never
negotiate
or
enter
into
a
development
agreement
that
is
inconsistent
with
the
city
charter.
However,
if
this
provides
additional
security
or
if
it
provides
additional
comfort
for
residents,
then
I
see
nothing
wrong
with
adding
that
language.
H
G
G
Ahead,
it
will
more
or
less
go
through
the
same
process
that
council
went
through
initially,
I'm
not
talking
about
the
referendum,
but
certainly
it
will
have
to
be
reviewed
not
only
by
staff
but
also
by
the
community
development
board
for
a
first
public
hearing,
and
then
this
council
for
a
second
public
hearing.
So
there's
always
a
possibility
of
amendment
in
the
future
and
the
truth
is,
I
think,
it's.
G
G
J
G
As
I
mentioned
earlier-
and
this
is
a
minor
point
that
we
can
certainly
deal
with
after
the
fact,
but
if
council
does
approve
these
changes
and
if
voters
approve
these
changes,
we
will
need
to
come
back
before
council
to
amend
our
own
community
development
code
to
conform
to
these
changes.
Not
a
problem
just
want
to.
Let
council
know
that
that's
something
we'll
have
to
do
after
the
referendum.
If
it
passes.
G
You're
testing
my
nearsightedness
here:
can
you
enlarge.
G
Look
behind
me
instead
of
look
in
front
of
me.
A
G
L
G
An
initial
term
of
30
years-
and
I
would
probably
also
spell
out
the
word
30.
so
that
nobody
thinks
it's
a
typo
or
anything
like
that.
G
M
M
G
G
G
M
G
I
think
the
way
that
we
will
address
that
that's
something
I've
just
thought
of,
but
I
think
that
we
will.
We
would
already
planned
on
saying
that
the
development
agreement
itself
is
contingent
upon
the
approval
of
referendum
of
these
charter
changes,
so
it
will
not
go
into
effect.
E
G
You
could
say
all
terms
in
this
charter
or
something
like
that.
I
mean
I
wouldn't.
G
And
I
have
that
as
well
and
we
could
use
that
instead,
I'm
just
throwing
out
ideas
for
conversation.
I
I
think
that,
ultimately,
this
is
a
question
of
what
does
council
feel
comfortable
communicating
to
voters
so
yeah.
Please
don't
feel
obligated
to
use
my
language.
We
can
say
it.
However.
Council
wants
to
say
it.
K
And
then
I
also
share
the
concern
that
mrs
clayton
expressed
about
the
code.
Obviously
one
of
the
terms
to
adoptive
development
agreement
is
that
it's
consistent
with
the
land
development
code,
so
I
haven't
looked
at
law
recently
about
whether
the
deferred
effective
date
is
bridges
that
gap,
but
the
development
agreement
is
required
by
law
and
under
your
code
to
have
a
recital
that
were
consistent
with
the
land
development
code.
So
that
would
be
my
only
other
hesitation.
K
I
agree
with
mr
margolis
that
from
a
practical
standpoint,
the
agreement
is
not
going
to
be
effective
until
you
know,
there's
everything
has
to
happen
at
the
time
of
the
referendum,
but
I
would
not
want
this
to
create
a
situation
that
obviated
the
approvals
that
we
seek
in
a
couple
weeks.
K
I've
been
trying
to
determine
a
solution
to
that,
because
we
recognize
that
this
is
important
for
30
years
instead
of
20,
but
I
I
just
wanted
felt
the
need
to
express
my
hesitation
on
that,
based
on
the
recitals
and
at
the
time
you're,
actually
having
your
public
hearings
and
approving
it.
One
of
the
recitals
in
the
agreement
is
that
it
complies
with
your
land
development
codes,
so.
G
It
certainly
is
a
little
bit
of
a
dilemma,
but
I
am
optimistic
that
we
can
work
through
that,
just
based
on
how
we
tweak
the
effective
dates,
how
we
begin
this
process
potentially
of
processing
a
text
amendment
and
how
we
just
work
on
the
timing
of
those.
I
do
believe
there
are
solutions
for
that.
If
this
is
the
direction
council
would
like
to
go,
I'm
confident
we
could
make
it
happen,
although,
admittedly,
it's
a
challenge,
but
we
can
solve
it.
H
Going
back
to
the
body
so
going
back
to
the
body
part
number,
the
second
one
as
to
the
former
city
hall
site,
multi-family
housing
that
remains
available
for
rent
to
the
general
public.
Do
we
want
to
specify
or
need
to
specify
any
percentage
of
that
that
event
that's
available
for
rent
to
the
public
like
95
of
it
90
of
it?
Is
that
necessary
here,
or
is
that
part
of
the
development
agreement
enough.
G
One
thing
we
have
to
be
careful
of,
although
we
can
put
a
percentage
in
there,
they
may
have
things
like
corporate
housing
or
other
opportunities
that
are
potentially
legitimate
economic
drivers
for
the
city
and
could
attract
businesses
here
in
the
city,
and
so
I
want
to
be
careful
not
to
preclude
uses
that
are
actually
reasonable,
legitimate
uses.
But
at
the
same
time,
as
the
mayor
has
pointed
out,
we
all
know
that
we
want
residents
right.
We
want
primary
residents,
so
I
have
been
negotiating
that
with
miss
cole.
H
Which
will
be
good
for
hopefully
30
years
at
least
right
and
then
renewable
and
then
the
the
number
three
as
to
both
sides,
thoughtful
and
measurable
sustainability
provisions
for
environmental
stewardship?
To
me
I
mean
I
like
it.
I
don't
see
any
meat
in
it.
I
don't
see
any
measurables,
it's
like
it's
vague
and
aspirational.
G
H
G
Is
to
me
an
example
of
trying
to
balance
the
need
for
showing
our
commitment
to
citizens,
which
is
why
there's
a
requirement
that
there
be
measurable
sustainability
provisions
and
why
there's
that
level
of
specificity
and
we're
baking
it
into
the
charter
itself?
So
it's
going
to
be
a
durable
requirement,
even
if
there's
a
future
council
or
even
if
there's
amendments
30
years
from
now,
they
will
still
have
to
comply
with
this
requirement.
A
In
the
rfp
you
know
this
body
agreed
to
go
ahead
and
make
silver
lead
the
standard
that
we
were
requiring
that
it,
the
components
would
be
in
the
projects.
So
that's
something
we
did
back
before
the
first
rfp
and
then
went
out,
and
I
think
we're
going
to
you
know
memorialize,
that
in
the
development
agreement.
G
It's
a
great
question:
it's
going
to
depend
on
exactly
what
we
negotiate
with
them.
Some
types
of
sustainability
measures
are
really
designed
as
one
time
you
know
certain
design
features
into
the
building,
for
example,
whereas
other
sustainability
features
are
more
on
the
operations
or
maintenance
side.
So
it's
really
going
to
get
into
the
details
of
exactly
what
provisions
we
negotiate
with
them.
L
A
That's
what
the
market
does
they're
going
to
have
tenants
that
are
going
to
demand
certain
things
if
they
want
to
make
the
property
marketable
because
they're
competing
with
other
properties
around
the
region
and
those
will
be
changes
that
they
will
make
as
it's
necessary
based
upon
technology
efficiency
and
ultimately,
demand.
H
G
H
G
I
would
have
to
probably
you
know,
with
the
mayor's
permission-
invite
ms
cole
to
speak
to
that
because,
as
I
said,
some
of
those
issues
on
the
sustainability
side
are
more
of
the
one-time
things
and
some
really
are
the
ongoing.
And
so
at
this
point,
because
we're
in
the
process
of
discussing
exactly
what
sustainability
measures
will
be
in
there.
I
would
probably
have
to
defer
to
the
kaufman's
and
unzia
team
as
to
the
type
of
provisions
they're
envisioning.
B
K
The
vast
majority
of
sustainability
requirements
are
upon
construction,
but
there
are
certainly
some
things
that
as
a
developer
as
tenants
turn
over
or
you
know,
improvements
are
made
that
could
be
considered.
So
I
I
don't,
I
don't
think
that's
an
obligation
to
make
changes
on
a
regular
basis.
It's
an
obligation
to
be
thoughtful
about
your
stewardship
on
an
ongoing
basis,
and
certainly
they
are
that
so.
H
A
H
K
And
respectfully,
I
think
this
is
maybe
just
my
personal
opinion
about
a
charter
as
compared
to
a
regulation
or
an
ordinance
right.
So
this
is
the
constitution
of
the
city.
This
is
saying
that
these
sites
will
have
thoughtful
and
measurable
sustainability
provisions,
and
that
is
the
overarching
policy
goal
of
the
council.
K
My
my
personal
decision
is
that
policy
statements
like
this
shouldn't
include
such
minutia
and
details,
but
certainly
voters
and
elected
officials
make
other
decisions,
so
I
don't
know
that
it's
necessary.
I
think
that
this
sets
forth
the
goals
of
the
city
in
an
overarching
way.
That
says
it's
extremely
important
to
the
city
to
have
environmentally
sustainable
measures
and
that
you
expect
that
these
agreements
and
these
projects
to
do
that.
K
K
A
no!
We
would
not
like
ongoing
from
from
our
colleagues
who
are
watching
online,
who
weren't
able
to
zoom
in.
J
I
don't
know,
maybe
I'm
oversimplifying
it,
but
I
think
of
this
as
a
syllabus.
It
doesn't
encompass
everything,
it's
not
very
detailed,
but
it's
something
it's
a
syllabus,
that's
a
simplified
way
of
looking
at
it
and
I
I'm
not
too
wrapped
around
adding
too
much
words
because
I
don't
think
we're
restrained
to
it.
I
don't
think
what
I
mean.
I
think
it's
just
a
general
depiction
of
what
it
even
is,
and
I
don't
think
we
should
go
into
the
minutiae.
J
Not
having
ongoing,
I
don't
think,
is
going
to
jeopardize
their
willingness
to
maintain
that
building
and
and
and
respond
to
the
sustainability
issues.
I
think,
because
the
market's
going
to
demand
that
the
tenants
are,
but
I
look
at
this
in
a
very
simplified
way,
isn't
so
this,
oh,
you
know
general
idea
of
where
we're
going
rather
than
rather
than
the
exact
thing
I
don't
know.
What
do
you
think
david.
G
You
know
I
drafted
it,
so
I'm
a
little
bit
biased,
but
you
know
it
is
funny.
I
mean
I
think,
as
as
attorneys
miss
cole,
and
I
probably
see
it
the
same
way,
even
though
we're
on
opposite
sides
of
the
aisle.
I
do
think
that
you
know
in
law
school
we're
often
taught
that
the
constitution
really
is
just
you
know,
an
overarching
document.
G
We
are
doing
this
particular
deal
that
has
a
lot
of
implications
for
the
future
of
downtown.
It's
very,
very
important.
We
get
it
right,
and
so
I
do
have
the
concern
that
if
it
is
too
specific
in
the
city
charter,
it
may
preclude
this
council
from
approving
a
development
agreement.
L
G
B
G
That
is,
that
is
the
fear,
whereas
with
the
development
agreement
like
with
any
law
or
regulation,
as
ms
cole
said,
we
know
that
honestly,
if
we
mess
it
up,
it
can
be
amended
later.
If
we
make
mistakes,
we
know
that
we're
working
quickly,
but
ms
cole
and
I
know
that
it
can
be
brought
back
to
this
body
later
on,
for
reconsideration
of
changes.
A
A
N
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
I
hadn't
really
expected
to
say
anything,
but
as
the
discussion
has
gone
on,
I've
looked.
N
I
found
myself
looking
at
the
whereases
and
I
know
that
that's
not
your
main
focus,
but
since
you're
it's
in
your
document
going
back
to
the
hrna
citizens
plan,
they
talked
about
the
importance
of
an
active
edge
on
the
park
as
being
important
to
get
people
draw
people
into
the
park,
but
also
to
draw
people
from
the
park
into
downtown,
and
the
gentleman
from
gotham
when
he
was
here
before,
was
talking
about
the
importance
of
that
interaction.
N
You
would
articulate
to
the
citizens
that
this
is
just
part
of
implementing
the
citizens
plan
and
ensuring
that
the
park
is
going
to
be
active
and,
in
that
regard,
the
eighth,
whereas
where
it
says
to
stimulate
downtown
redevelopment
for
the
benefit
of
all
all
clearwater
residents.
I
think
you
could.
N
I
don't
know
that
we're
trying
to
stimulate
redevelopment
downtown.
We
want
an
active,
vibrant
downtown,
not
just
tearing
down
old
buildings
and
putting
up
new
buildings.
I'm
I
don't
have
any
specific
language,
but
I'm
throwing
out
some
thoughts
here.
That
I
think
are
would
be
important
for
the
ultimate
goal
of
getting
the
citizens
to
vote.
Yes
on
this.
A
C
Building
card
earlier
today,
patrick
graft,
we
thank
you
again
in
my
previous
comments.
I've
used
the
two
words,
trust
and
flexibility.
Perhaps
flexibility
might
be
substituted
for
compromise.
I
think
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
go
through
some
of
the
details
here.
What
concerns
me
is
that
the
desire
for
specificity
might
cause
this
to
be
in
jeopardy,
as
mr
margolis
has
pointed
out,
and
therefore
that
trust
and
compromise
or
flexibility
needs
to
come
into
play.
C
I
would
encourage
you
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
you
go
forward
with
the
details,
if
you
trust
you're
not
going
to
have
a
fear
of
having
to
protect
or
fear
of
being
taken
advantage
of,
you
trust
the
other
party
to
understand
where
you're
coming
from
you
understand
where
they're
coming
from
and
you'll
come
to
an
agreement.
So
I
would
ask
you
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
you
go
forward
limit
the
specificity
as
much
as
you
can
to
allow
the
developer
and
yourself
to
come
to
an
agreement
most
important
thing.
C
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
which
I'm
certain
is
in
the
back
of
everybody's
mind
is
the
audience
that
we're
talking
about
is
not
here
present.
It's
the
voters
they're
going
to
vote
on
this
referendum
in
november,
their
75
words
has
got
to
put
in
front
of
them
as
simply
as
possible.
What
we're
attempting
to
do
and
the
detail
will
be
in
some
of
these
provisions
that
you're
talking
about
there
are
some
people
that
will
be
against
this.
From
the
start,
they
were
against.
Imagine
clearwater.
C
C
C
I
just
want
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
I'm
sure
it's
in
the
back
your
minds.
This
is
a
great
discussion.
This
is
a
great
challenge,
there's
a
bigger
one
coming
in
november
to
get
the
people
to
vote
for
it.
So
I
encourage
you
to
keep
that
in
mind,
because
I'm
hoping
you
will
be
out
there
selling
this
to
the
people
and
enlisting
citizens
like
myself
to
help
sell
it
as
well,
because
we're
close
to
getting
it
over
the
goal
line,
but
we're
not
quite
there
yet.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
mr
rafferty.
H
I
respond
sure
thanks,
so
I
like
to
consider
myself
a
flexible
person
enjoy
compromising
and
shaping
things,
I'm
also
a
trusting
person,
I'm
also
a
person
who
comes
from
a
family
of
attorneys
who
practice
various
parts
of
types
of
law.
And
you
know
this
is
the
public's
money.
This
is
the
public's
property
and
I'm
you
know
up
here
functioning
as
a
guardian
of
that
and
working
in
their
best
interest,
and
I
tend
to
operate
on
trust
and
verify,
and
I
love
a
handshake
and
and
all
that
and
and
trust
people.
H
But
you
know
I
want
it
in
writing,
and-
and
so
there
are
some
important
things
that
I
think
that
are
important
to
voters
that
are
important
to
me
and
when
we
have
vague
statements
that
don't
have
measurable
descriptors,
it
can
be
interpreted
in
multiple
ways,
and-
and
so
I
get
the
trust
and
and
being
flexible.
But
I
also
there's
a
whole
lot
of
value
in
having
something
in
writing
and
when
you
have
to
go
to
court
or
litigate
something.
So
I
just
you
know.
A
A
It
belongs
to
the
development
agreement,
and
you
know
I
just
think,
that's
critically
important
that
we
separate
the
two
I'm
fine
with
putting
things
in
the
development
agreement.
That's
where
they
should
be.
That
is
the
contract.
A
This,
as
was
that,
is
our
constitution.
There
are
some
weird
things
in
our
charter.
A
H
Well
and
along
those
lines,
then,
why
is
why
would
number
four
be
in
the
charter
and
not
in
a
development
agreement
as
to
both
sides,
project
timelines
that
offer
reasonable
assurance
of
timely
completion?
I
mean
that's,
certainly
a
real
finite
charter
amendment
that
only
applies
to
as
this
thing
is
being
developed.
Why?
Wouldn't
that
just
be
in
the
development
agreement?
Why
does
it
have
to
be
in
the
charter.
G
I
felt
like
this
was
a
good
opportunity
to
show
our
citizens
that
we
are
committed
to
getting
this
done
candidly
while
we're
all
still
alone,
and
so
that
was
my
commitment.
So
that's
why
I
have
that
in
here.
But
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question,
because
even
in
this
with
number
four,
I
kept
it
general
enough
that
we
can
negotiate
exactly
what
those
timelines
are.
G
If
we
were
to
become
say
more
specific
here,
we
could
easily
destroy
the
entire
thing
accidentally
because
we're
still
figuring
out-
and
I
think
this
bowl
and
her
client
are
still
figuring
out
what
those
timelines
exactly
are
going
to
be
as
we
go
through
this
complex
project.
So
I
I
guess
to
answer
your
question:
vice
versa,
the
standard
for
me
in
my
proposal
for
these
provisions
has
been
how
important
is
it
to
council
as
a
body
based
on
the
feedback
that
I
get
from
each
of
you?
G
Is
it
something
that
is
going
to
be
important
to
voters
and
that
they're
going
to
want
to
see
this
as
a
durable,
lasting
provision
that
restricts
future
councils
and
what
they
can
do
and
does
it
preserve
enough
flexibility
where
this
body
and
our
future
elected
officials
can
make
decisions
that
are
in
the
city's
best
interest
based
on
our
needs
at
the
time?
So
for
me,
those
are
the
three
standards
but,
as
I
said,
I
mean
it
will
not
in
any
way
hurt
my
feelings
if
council
makes
amendments
to
these
tightens
them
loosens
them.
G
Ultimately,
I
am
very
sensitive
to
the
fact
that
our
voters
have
trusted
each
of
you
to
make
these
decisions
and
put
matters
before
them
for
recommendation,
because
they
trust
your
judgment,
and
you
know
I
I'm
proud.
L
G
To
give
the
stoke
box
for
a
second
I'm
proud
to
serve
with
each
of
you,
because
each
of
you
represent
diverse
views
within
our
community,
and
so
you
know,
if
you
guys
feel
as
a
body
that
we
should
either
have
more
things
fewer
things.
Our
people
trust
each
of
you
to
make
those
decisions.
O
Sponsor
scott
resident
of
cleveland,
I
just
want
to
kind
of
back
to
what
you
said,
mr
alberton,
about
the
part
being
just
a
part
of
the
harborview
site.
If
I
understood
correctly,
does
number
one
speak
to
that
and
does
it
say
because
in
the
beginning
you
all
put
in
the
75
words
a
portion,
so
does
that
need
to
go
in
number
one
as
well.
G
So
the
way
it
has
been
drafted
right
now
says
that
we
are
only
talking
about
a
portion
of
the
land
and
we
actually
put
that
in
a
few
different
places.
Number
one
in
the
charter
itself,
if
it's
approved
by
voters,
says
that
we
will
be
entering
into
a
purchase
and
development
agreement
for
a
portion
of
this
parcel
identification
number.
So
we
put
it
there
for
one
and
then
second,
because
I
know
that
issue
is
so
important.
We
will
also
have
that
on
the
ballot
question.
G
G
I
mean
I
would
say
that
if
we
were
going
to
to
to
edit
that
my
suggestion
would
be
to
say
as
to
the
former
harborview
site,
just
to
bring
it
in
line
with
subparagraph
a.
K
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
exact
same
thing
that
subparagraph
a
little
two
defines
the
portion
of
as
the
former
harbour
view
site,
and
so
I
think
in
subparagraph
b
little
one.
It
should
reflect
the
same
capital,
f,
yep,
arbor
view
and
then
use
the
word
site
and
then
likewise,
when
discussing
the
city
hall
site
in
little,
I
it's
defined
as
old
city
hall
parcel.
C
K
I
I
think
exactly
as
the
mayor
expressed
it
it's
somewhat
and,
as
mr
margolis
said,
it's
somewhat
of
a
slippery
slope.
You
know
having
something
that
is
not
defined.
It
is
unknown
because
sustainability
measures
are
constantly
evolving
and
changing
it.
There
is
not
a
current
code
in
the
city
to
reference.
K
What
would
be
appropriate,
check-ins
or
looks
or
numbers
to
your
point.
Councilwoman
beckman,
a
citizen
could
at
any
time
in
the
duration
of
this
time
period,
perhaps
file
litigation
on
their
own
terms
of
what
they
view
as
ongoing,
even
though
that
perhaps
was
never
the
intention
of
you
all
or
the
developer
or
defined
in
the
development
agreement.
K
H
H
G
A
To
adopt
imagine
clearwater
plan
for
coachman
park,
which
identified
potential
complementary
redevelopment,
which
I
think
is
important
of
certain
downtown
core
properties
adjacent
to
coachman
park,
and
the
intention
is
to
create
activation
between,
imagine
clearwater,
the
identified
properties
and
the
downtown
core,
and
then
I
guess
you
had
to
have
to
add
another
and
to
roll
into
the
other,
whereas
you're
better
off
up
there.
Mr
margolis
yeah.
A
L
A
G
Well,
let's
I
mean
I
would
suggest,
given
the.
G
Given
the
enormity
of
this,
so
we
should
go
ahead
and
why
don't
we
just
summarize
the
changes
I'll
read
through
what
I
have?
Let's
make
sure
our
council
agrees
in
concept
and
then
we
can
make
motion
section
by
section.
I
think
ms
sprague
will
appreciate
that.
Miss
call
will
appreciate
that
and
the
supervisor
of
elections
will
appreciate
that
as
well.
G
So
first
change
that
I
have
the
council
would
like
to
make.
It
is
actually
in
the
title
of
the
ordinance
when
we're
talking
about
multi-family
housing.
Did
council
want
to
change
that
particular
use
of
multi-family
housing
in
the
title
of
the
ordinance
to
say
apartments
instead
of
multi-family
housing?
Was
there
an
interest
in
doing
that.
G
K
G
Yes,
we've
discussed
that
with
the
with
both
the
city
clerk,
as
well
as
the
supervisor
of
elections,
okay,
so
just
to
for
everyone's
benefit,
even
though
we
will
be
resetting
and
re-advertising
for
a
new
first
reading.
I
will
just
for
everyone's
benefit
both
on
the
day
as
and
of
the
public.
G
So
that
is
the
title
of
the
ordinance
as
currently
set
by
council.
G
J
C
G
Up
is
a
question
of
whether
there
was,
and
I
did
not
hear
any
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
any
desire,
while
looking
at
the,
whereas
clauses
to
modify
the
whereas
clause.
That
is
four
sections
down
that
says,
whereas
the
clearwater
city
council
would
like
to
stimulate
downtown
redevelopment.
That
was
what
prompted
mr
jones
comments,
which
then
prompted
council
to
amend
the
previous.
Whereas
flaws.
G
G
H
H
A
J
C
G
Council
has
discussed,
adding
two
additional
roman
numerals,
which
will
be
roman
numerals,
six
and
roman
numeral,
seven
roman
numeral,
six
I'll
read
the
book
together.
A
roman
numeral
6
says
a
development
agreement
with
an
initial
term
of
30
years.
That's
3-0,
roman
numeral
7,
if
approved
by
council,
will
add
new
language,
saying
a
provision
in
the
development
agreement
requiring
that
the
terms
of
the
development
agreement
shall
be
subject
to
the
provisions
in
this
charter.
I
G
G
G
A
G
E
G
You
can
say
a
provision
in
the
development
agreement
requiring
the
development
agreement
to
be
subject
to
the
provisions
in
this
charter.
If
that
aligns
with
the
vice
payers,.
H
G
Unanimous,
the
next
one
that
I
wrote
down
is
in
the
ballot
question
itself
and
the
explanatory
statement
the
most
important
well
there's
a
couple
couple
ones
in
here,
but
one
of
them
that
was
talked
about.
I
don't
know
if
there's
council,
as
a
preference.
Ms
cole
pointed
out
that
there's
a
phrase
after
gotham
property
acquisitions
and
the
denunzio
group,
and
that
says
quote
who
will
create
she
recommended
that
it's
a
you
know
to
create
or
something
worse
that
effect.
G
H
K
It
is
that's
what
I
said
to
mr
behar.
Isn't
he
glad
he's
here
to
see
this
I
think
to
develop
is
the
most
appropriate
term.
E
L
G
So
these
that's
one
change
and
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
for
the
explanatory
statement
is
that,
once
everyone
is
comfortable
with
what
is
stated
on
the
screen,
then
a
council
member
should
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
explanatory
statement
to
read
as
follows,
and
then
read
it
verbatim.
What's
on
the
screen
once
we
get
to
that
point,
the
next
change,
though,
here
in
the
explanatory
statement
and
of
course,
coming
back
to
the
topic
we
discussed
earlier-
is
multi-family
housing
versus
apartments.
G
That
change
is
reflected
on
the
screen.
But
of
course,
is
part
of
the
amendment,
and
then
I
know
of
great
importance
to
the
developer
is
the
reference
to
158
key
hotel
and
what
language
council
is
comfortable
with
in
terms
of
the
approximation.
K
N
A
G
J
It
guess
it
just
didn't
sound
right,
and
you
know.
G
G
I
K
G
G
That's:
okay,
that's,
okay!
What
I
was
what
I
would
suggest
is
a
council
member
could
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
main
motion
to
add
the
word.
The
after
the
word
cell.
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
will
apologize
in
advance
to
mr
margolis
because,
as
I
was
sitting
there,
I
had
an
aha
moment
that
I
hadn't
asked
him
about
as
we've
talked
about
this
ordinance
the
past
week.
But
I
wanted
to
ensure,
in
section
a
of
the
charter
amendment,
that
the
amendment
allows
for
the
council
to
both
and-
and
I
forgive
me
procedurally
but
declare
this
property
service
surplus
and
convey
right
now.
K
The
way
it's
drafted,
we're
simply
negotiating
enter
into
these
agreements,
and
I
want
to
ensure
that
the
declaration
of
surplus
that
will
be
required
and
the
conveyance
of
the
property
is
also
authorized
by
the
charter,
and
I
want
to
be
crystal
clear
and
not
necessarily
rely
upon
reading
several
versions
of
the
charter.
So
the
way
it's
drafted
and
it
says
that
not
withstanding
anything
else
in
the
charter.
These
two
things
are
authorized.
G
I
mean
personally,
I'm
comfortable
with
the
way
it's
it's
written.
I
mean
because,
as
ms
cole
pointed
out,
it
does
say
very
clearly
at
the
beginning
of
subsection
8
that
it
is
a
notwithstanding
and
as
an
exception
I
mean
that's
strong,
strong
words
to
anything
contained
in
the
entire
section
2.01,
which
is
literally
not
just
the
real
property
provisions,
but
extensive
provisions
in
our
charter.
That
said,
I
mean
I'm
not
opposed
to
making
that
change.
If
council
would
like
to
entertain
them.
K
Me
it's
not
that
it's
strong,
because
it
certainly
says
the
way
the
clearwater
charter
is
in
section
2.01.
There
are
limitations
on
your
authority,
there's
the
obligation
whenever
the
council
conveys
property
to
declare
its
surplus
and
you're
not
obviated
from
that
obligation
and
there's
the
limitation
on
conveying
and
entering
into
leases
specifically
on
the
bluff
property,
and
so
I
feel
I
feel
strongly
about
adding
the
word
conveyance
and
because
I
think
that
is
actually
what
you
are
doing
is
authorizing
the
sale
of
this
property,
not
just
entering
into
the
purchase
and
sale
agreements.
K
The
declaration
of
surplus-
I
I
think,
is
covered
by
the
notwithstanding
language,
perhaps
but
the
conveyance.
I
would
not
want
to
get
all
the
way
down
here
and
have
a
purchase
agreement
that
the
city
wouldn't
be
able
to
consummate
based
on
the
lack
of
ability
to
convey.
So
there
are
several
in
again
I
apologize
for
for
the
late
ask
on
this.
It
was
just
as
I
was
sitting
here
looking
at
the
charter.
There
are
several
provisions
in
2.01
that
restrict
the
council
with
respect
to
this
particular
land.
A
L
K
E
So
here
yes,
okay,.
G
Although
I'm
generally
okay
with
this
I
mean
I
think
minimally,
I
would
respectfully
suggest
that
declaration
of
surplus
should
not
stay
there.
So,
as
ms
cole
pointed
out,
the
subsection
8
here
makes
it
clear
that
we
are
replacing
the
surplus
mechanisms
with
a
new
mechanism,
and
I
fear
that
including
the
phrase
declaration
of
surplus
may
give
the
very
wrong
impression
to
voters
as
to
what
we're
actually
doing
and
why
we're
doing
it.
G
A
H
K
I
do
mr
johnson
just
raised
an
issue
that
I
I
will
share
as
well,
and
he
expressed
based
on
the
current
charter
prohibition
to
sell
this
particular
property
outside
of
any
process
he
raised
in
the
referendum
question
the
issue
that
we're
saying
instead
of
selling
at
public
auction,
which
applies
to
all
conveyances
charter,
actually
has
an
express
prohibition
that
even
this
property
wouldn't
go
through
that
process.
So
I
that
that's
what.
L
A
A
G
Those
are
the
only
changes
that
I
have
at
this.
G
Now
so
now
that
all
the
changes
are
in,
we
have
now
made
material
changes
the
council
has
approved,
which
is
fine.
That's
what
the
whole
point
of
a
public
discussion
is
to
make
those
changes.
That
council
is
comfortable
with,
especially
knowing
how
important
this
is
to
voters
and
to
the
future
of
the
city.
So
at
this
point
I
would
suggest
that
a
council
member
make
a
motion
to
reset
and
re-advertise
ordinance
number
95.
G
G
G
July
21st,
so
that
way
we
dispose
of
the
issue
that's
pending
before
council
right
now,
because
since
material
changes
have
been
made,
I
think
the
safest
thing
to
do
for
everyone
and
for
voters,
and
everyone
have
time
to
digest.
This
is
to
have
just
a
brand
new
first
reading,
with
the
revised
version
the
council
approved
tonight,
and
that
revised
first
reading
will
take
place
on
july
21st.
So
there's
a
motion
to.
G
That
would
be.
That
would
be
fine.
I
think
everyone's
gonna
understand
sort
of
simply
reset
ordinance
9597-20,
as
amended
this
year.
G
First
reading
on
july
21st
and
to
advertise
in
the
manner
required
by
florida
law,
do
I.
I
G
Else,
mr
margolis,
I
believe
that
covers
that.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
ms
sprague
is
comfortable
with
with
where
we're
at,
in
terms
of
making
sure
we
document
everything
and
to
make
sure
that,
before
the
meeting
is
adjourned,
that
everyone's
on
the
same
page.
A
A
That
was
riveting
so
with
that
we
are
adjourned.