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A
Well,
good
morning,
everyone
we
will
call
the
special
work
session
to
order
for
october
5th
2020..
This
is
really
a
unusual,
but
I
think
a
timely
meeting
for
all
of
the
council
to
sit
and
talk
about
their
philosophy
on
a
number
of
different
issues
and
priorities
that
we
all
have.
A
A
I
want
to
make
sure
everyone
understands
that
with
our
city
attorney
in
the
room
and
we
get
to
know
one
another,
but
since
three
of
us
were
seated
after
the
march
election
that
really
hasn't
occurred,
and
so
I
think
we
all
agree
that
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
come
together
and
talk
about
a
myriad
of
subjects
and
also
just
get
to
know
one
another
better.
So
this
is
a
special
work
session
that
I
would
call
more
of
a
family
discussion
than
anything
for
all
of
us
and
it
isn't.
A
It
is
a
work
session,
so
we
will
not
be
hearing
from
the
public,
but
we
put
together
an
agenda
of
a
lot
of
different
topics,
but
before
we
do
any
of
that,
I
thought
it
was
appropriate
that
we
do
an
icebreaker,
and
these
are
some
things.
I
don't
even
know
about
any
of
you.
A
I
know
about
these
two,
but
I
don't
know
about
councilmember
bunker
and
councilmember
beckman,
so
I
thought
I
I
wanted
to
add
one
other
end,
one
other
item:
what
do
you
miss
most
and
will
do
first
when
covet
is
over,
because
I
ran
out
of
the
house
this
morning
and
I
forgot
a
mask.
I
got
halfway
down
the
street
and
I
thought
up
gotta
go
back,
and
so
we
have
a
special
drawer
right
now
in
the
kitchen
with
masks.
A
I
cannot
wait
to
get
rid
of
that
drawer
and
the
day
will
come,
but
with
that
I'd
still
like
to
recognize
everybody
as
we
go
through
the
conversations.
Why
don't
we
start
with
you
councilmember
becker
beckmann,
on
on
some
of
the
icebreakers
I'll?
Read
them
real,
quick.
So
everybody
knows
what
they
are.
How
long
have
you
lived
in
clearwater
and
if
not
a
native,
where
did
you
come
from
a
little
bit
about
your
family?
Do
you
have
any
pets,
your
top
two
hobbies?
B
B
So
I'm
just
going
to
look
at
you
all,
because
we're
here
to
you
know
get
to
know
each
other
better.
So
I've
lived
in
florida
in
clearwater
for
a
little
over
four
years.
My
husband
and
I
bought
a
town
home
on
sand
key
eight
years
ago
and
rented
it
out
for
four
years,
and
then
we
moved
down
here
in
2016
in
july,
and
so
that's
how
long
I've
been
here.
B
So
it's
our
chosen
home
and
it's
absolutely
lovely-
I
so
my
husband
and
I
have
we
were
high
school
sweethearts
we've
been
together
since
we
were
15
years
old,
went
to
the
same
college
and
then
married
after
college,
and
we
have
three
children.
So
I
have
josh.
B
Sarah
and
michael
and
joshua's
in
chicago
was
supposed
to
get
married
this
year
and
it
was
delayed
because
of
covid
sarah,
our
daughter
is
in
des
moines
iowa
and
my
our
youngest
michael
is
in
washington
dc,
and
he
too
was
supposed
to
get
married
this
year
twice
two
different,
you
know
dates
and
now
it's
2021.
B
B
Hiking
is
a
is
a
big
thing:
biking
walking
jogging
our
favorite
vacation.
I
think
brian
and
I
took
a
couple
of
years
ago
or
maybe
yeah
was
to
zion
national
park,
and
so
we
loved
hiking
there
for
about
four
or
five
days,
and
I
you
know,
I
thought
about
the
first
concert
and
I
was
I
talked
to
brian
last
night.
What
was
our
first
concert
and
I
think
it
was
michael
jackson's,
bad
tour
in
indianapolis,
but
I'll
tell
you.
B
We
saw
paul
simon
at
in
tampa
on
his
farewell
tour,
which
was
an
amazing
concert
and
stevie
wonder
in
chicago,
which
was
unforgettable
as
well,
and
what
I
would
miss
most
is
my
family.
I
have
not
seen
my
parents
since
february
and
and
my
kids,
I
haven't
the
two
josh
and
sarah
I
haven't
seen
since
christmas.
So
it's
I
that's.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
do
is
see
the
kids.
C
Well,
I've
been
here
nine
of
the
past
20
years.
I
moved
here
in
2000,
lived
here
for
a
couple
of
years
from
2000
to
the
end
of
2001.
and
having
been
chased
out
of
town
by
scientology.
At
that
point,
I
moved
on.
I
was
working
for
a
decade
in
san
diego
at
in
two
different
tv
stations
and
then
moved
back
here
when
that
ended.
So
I've
been
back
here
since
2013,
with
the
hope
to
be
joining
you
up
here.
So
I'm
happy
to
be
here.
C
I
do
have
a
couple
of
cats
that
I
adopted
recently
from
the
shelter
and
they're
terrific.
I
just
felt,
as
many
people
did
during
this
covet
19
period
be
nice
to
have
some
fluffy
animals
about
and
as
far
as
hobbies,
it
goes
along
with
what
I've
missed
the
most
I'm
a
movie
buff.
C
So
I
found
myself
checking
my
watch
regularly
to
see.
Well,
when
did
the
matinees
start
and
for
the
longest
time
there
were
no
films
to
go
to
see.
I
have
snuck
into
a
couple
recently
and
I'm
I
I've
been
shocked
that
even
on
a
saturday
or
sunday
night,
prime
time,
there
are
only
like
two
or
three
of
us
in
the
theater.
C
So
a
lot
of
the
theaters
are
are
shutting
down
again
right
now,
but
I
look
forward
to
them
being
back
because
I
love
disappearing
into
a
great
story.
I
also
love
to
act.
I've
I
did
that
for
a
long
time,
although
it
has
been
close
to
30
years
now,
since
I've
I've
really
been
on
stage.
C
Although
I
did
a
small
role
here
at
the
frances
wilson,
the
playhouse
a
couple
years
ago
in
amadeus
they're
doing
a
production
of
the
producers,
mel
mel
brooks
musical
coming
up
early
next
year,
I'm
hoping
that
they're
able
to
stage
it.
I
would
love
to
be
max.
Bialystock,
that's
been
a
dream
role
from
of
mine
and
my
first
concert.
I
I'm
not
a
big
music
goer,
because
I
grew
up
in
front
of
the
tv
when
I
was
a
kid
back
in
the
60s.
C
The
tv
was
filled
with
movies
from
the
30s
and
40s.
So
I
grew
up
watching
abbott
costello
every
week
and
you
see
the
andrew
sisters
and
bob
hope
and
bing
crosby
were
on
the
road
somewhere,
so
my
music
taste
turned
to
big
crosby
and
the
andrew
sister.
So
I
was
a
person
out
of
time
musically.
The
first
concert
I
attended.
I
I
was
working
at
back
in
oshkosh
wisconsin,
I
think
early
in
college.
I
was
a
stagehand
when
alice
cooper
came
to
town.
C
So
I
got
to
watch
that
from
the
side
of
the
stage,
which
was
a
unique
experience,
and
then
I
I
did
get
to
see
it
once
I
moved
to
la.
I
did
get
to
see
a
lot
of
great
classic
artists.
Mel
tormey
was
at
his
peak
at
the
time.
I
saw
him
a
couple
of
times
in
concert:
callaway
lots
of
great
people
at
the
hollywood
bowl
and
lots
of
wonderful,
classical
music.
There,
too
great.
D
Well,
I've
lived
here
all
my
life.
I
was
born
in
morn
plant
and.
D
So
I've
experienced
a
lot
of
growth
in
clearwater
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
there's
a
real
quick
story.
When
I
was
a
kid
we
lived
in
harbor
oaks
and
I'd
ride
my
bike
into
downtown,
and
I
was
always
amazed
and
I
looked
when
I
look
back
on
it.
I
was
amazed
that
I
even
thought
had
these
thoughts
as
a
kid
like
wow.
D
I
just
loved
clearwater.
We
had
three
movie
theaters
and
I
could
go
on
and
on
to
talk
an
hour
about
what
they
had,
but
that
kind
of
stuck
in
my
head,
as
I
was
growing
up
that
I'd
really
like
to
see
that
again.
So
that's
why
I
have
the
passion
that
I
do
on
that.
D
Clearwater
was
tiny
back
then,
and
I've
seen
the
growth,
the
explosion
in
the
70s.
You
know
the
expansionism
that
happened
really
all
over
the
country
which
caused
our
downtown
the
merchants
to
flee
and
hit.
You
know
where
all
the
everybody
else
was
going,
and
so
anyway,
I
think
that
we
still
have
promise
that
we
could
have
a
very
vibrant
downtown.
I
love
clearwater.
D
I
have
three
kids,
my
oldest
son
lives
in
atlanta
now
and
he
has
a
daughter
and
she
just
had
a
daughter.
So
I'm
a
great
grandfather
on
with
my
oldest
son
and
then
I
had
twins
several
years
later,
they're
in
their
mid-30s
and
they've.
Both
stayed
here
in
clearwater.
We
kind
of
we
kind
of
told
them
that
that
was
a
requirement
growing
up.
D
You
know
that
you
had
to
live
here
here
with
us
and
so
we're
real
happy
that
that
happened,
because
now
I
have
grandkids
with
both
my
kids
and
and
enjoying
that
that
part
of
it
so
my
dad,
my
family
was
very
social
family
back
then,
when
we
were
growing
up-
and
you
know,
kids
were
to
be
seen
and
not
heard
kind
of
thing.
So
whenever
they
would
get
together,
we'd
have
to
go
up
out
of
sight,
but.
D
D
Let's
see,
do
you
ever
have
pets?
Oh
yeah,
we
had
we've
had
lots
of
dogs
in
our
life.
D
I
did
go
through
an
experience
with
cats
about
40
years
ago,
but
it
seems
like
dog
was
the
preferred
animal
in
our
house
and
we've
we've.
We
don't
have
any
now.
Our
last
dog
was
17
and
passed
away
about
a
year
ago.
So
my
wife
and
I
thinking
that
we
would
travel.
We
thought.
Well.
Maybe
it's
not
a
good
time
to
get
a
dog,
but
I
see
all
my
neighbors
and
people
that
have
these
little
puppies
come
over
and
I'm
like
oh
they're,
just
so
cute.
D
I
just
want
to
get
one,
but
I
do
have
a
an
aquarium
and
I
know
that's
they're,
not
very
cuddly,
but
I
do
have
a
120
gallon
salt
aquarium
that
I
love
because
there's
all
kinds
of
fish
in
there
and
that
that
gives
me
some
a
bit
of
I
love
to
go
home
and
watch
them
swim
around
and
and
you
don't
have
to
feed
them
every
day.
It's
nice,
you
know.
So
if
we
go
on
a
trip,
I
get
my
son
to
come
over
a
few
days
and
throw
some
food
food
in
the
tank.
D
My
hobbies
growing
up
in
clearwater
have
always
centered
around
water.
I've
been
a
boater.
Probably
since
I
was
a
kid,
my
dad
had
a
boat
and
we
skied
and
growing
up.
We
were
always
in
the
water,
always
in
the
water.
I
was
on
a
swim
team,
since
I
was
six
and
then
later
in
a
master's,
I'm
a
big
distance
swimmer.
I
love
to
swim.
D
I
also
I
went
through
a
period
about
10
years
ago.
I
did
some
triathlons
and,
and
that
was
fun.
D
I
do
like
boating,
we
were
boaters
and-
and
I
also
love
music-
I'm
a
guitar
player,
so
I
like
to
do
that
vacation.
I
guess
probably
the
best
vacation
I
ever
had
was
colorado.
My
wife
and
I
went
out
for
three
weeks
in
colorado
and
I've
never
taken
a
three-week
vacation
because
it's
always
had
to
be
us.
You
know
like
a
week
off
and
we
really
enjoyed
it.
Scotland
was
another
place
that
I
really
enjoyed.
I'm
going
to
go
back
there.
D
D
And
that
was
the
only
time
I
saw
him
by
the
way,
but
that
was
probably
my
first
concert
or
anyone
else
for
that.
Well
see.
I
told
you
guys,
you
know
who
they
were.
D
Clearwater
probably
had
30
000
people
back
then,
and
we
had
a
thing
called
a
star
spectacular
that
we
put
on
down
by
the
water,
and
it
was
a
monthly
thing
it
was
actually
it
was
sponsored
by
the
city,
clearwater
rec
department
and
wlcy,
radio
and
wlco
that's
before
fm.
It
was
am
radio,
but
they
would
play
all
the
new
songs
and
we
had
probably
every
major
act
worldwide
come
through
little
clearwater
back
then
we
did.
Of
course
everybody
knows
rolling
stone
came
in
may
of
65,
but
we
had
beach
boys.
D
You
know
we
I
mean
I
couldn't
name
them
all,
but
that
was
very
impressive
and
that
kind
of
really
spurred
my
interest
in
music.
What
am
I
going
to
do
when
this
covet
is
over?
I
think
I'm
going
to
agree
with
councilman
beckman,
I'm
going
to
go,
see
my
mother
who's
in
a
senior
facility
and
I
feel
real
bad
about
the
older
people
that
are
there
because
they
cannot
see
family
through
this
whole
thing
and
it's
sad
it's
it's
really
sad.
D
So
I'm
gonna
spend
some
more
time
with
her
and
I
really
can't
wait
to
do
that
because
she
is
probably
not
going
to
see
too
many
more
years.
You
know,
so
I
want
her
final
years
to
be
happy
ones.
E
Council
member
well
between
the
vice
mayor
and
myself,
there's
a
we
could
take
up
the
whole
morning
with
the
stories
of
old
clearwater,
because
you
know
as
just
like
him.
I'm
a
morton
plant
baby,
give
you
a
little
further
back
history.
E
My
grandmother
on
my
father's
side,
graduated
from
clearwater
high
school
in
1914.,
so
we've
we've
been
here
a
while
my
mom
and
dad
were
high
school
sweethearts
and
when
everything
east
of
highland
avenue
was
the
largest
gladiola
farm
in
the
country
I
found
out
as
I
got
when
I
got
older,
I
found
out
that
my
mom
and
dad
got
run
out
of
there
a
few
friday
and
saturday
nights.
Now
they
never
admitted
to
what
they
were
doing,
but
I
can
figure
that
one
out,
but
thank
god
you
know
they're
not
there.
E
They
can't
say
anything
to
me
right
now,
but
we'll
see
in
future
years,
but
I
said
been
here:
I'm
a
georgia,
tech
graduate
those
the
only
time
I
haven't
lived
in
clearwater,
where
my
college
years,
while
I
went
to
georgia,
tech
and
I
lived
in
atlanta
for
four
years,
while
both
of
my
sons
went
to
georgia,
tech.
So
we're
probably
the
biggest
georgia
tech
fans
in
clearwater,
but
we've
got.
I
have
two
sons.
I
have
four
grandchildren
and
you
know
along
the
lines
of
what
the
vice
mayor
said.
E
You
know
I
I
just
remember
you
know
the
old
clearwater
growing
up
my
grandparents
on
my
father's
side
lived
on
vine
avenue,
which
is
one
block
east
of
myrtle,
and
they
were
the
second
house
in
on
the
right,
and
I
would
spend
the
night
with
my
grandparents
there
and
as
a
10
year
old,
9
10
year
old
kid.
I
would
walk
into
downtown
clearwater
from
there
and
I'd
walk
into
the
local
stores.
They
knew
my
parents.
E
E
Clearwater,
don't
know
we're
ever
going
to
get
back
to
that
level,
but
that
was
old
time
clearwater
and-
and
I
there's
certain
parts
of
that
that
I
really
really
miss
my
father-
bought
the
palm
pavilion
as
most
people
know
in
1964
and
my
brothers,
and
I
now
own
it
and
we're
having
a
great
time
with
that.
You
know
we're
surviving
the
the
virus.
You
know,
but
we're
really
looking
forward
to
that
man
over.
But
you
know,
pets
we're
a
dog
family.
E
I
only
have
one
right
now
at
one
point:
we
had
three,
but
now
we
have
a
six
month
old,
cockapoo
puppy
that
has
a
little
more
energy
than
a
guy.
My
age
can
appreciate
sometimes,
but
you
know
she
keeps
my
wife
and
I
on
our
on
our
toes
hobbies,
I'm
a
I'm
a
golfer
and
a
traveler,
but
as
david
I
grew
up
on
the
water,
water,
skiing
and
doing
things
of
that
nature.
But
now,
at
this
age,
I'm
more
of
a
golfer
and
a
traveler.
E
I've
got
a
great
my
fam,
my
wife
and
I
are
very
fortunate.
We
have
a
very
close
group
of
friends
that
love
to
travel
together
and
we
do
a
lot
of
cruising,
but
we've
also
done.
We
did
italy
and
a
mediterranean
cruise
last
year
with
a
group
of
24.
E
But
we
had,
I
mean,
we've
got
a,
we
love
to
do
all
that,
but
you
know
where
do
I
like
to
vacation
anywhere?
I
mean
I
just
like
to
see
anywhere.
You
know
I
don't
look
to
go
to
a
beach.
I
can
see
that
all
I
see
that
almost
every
day
you
know,
but
I
enjoy
the
beach,
but
I
also
enjoy
all
the
other
things
that
mother
nature
has
been
able
to
create.
E
So
I
like
to
go
there
first
concert
I
ever
went
to
grand
funk
railroad
at
the
old
sombrero
in
tampa
that
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
that's
the
stadium
before
raymond
james
and
it
was,
I
was,
I
think,
15
at
the
time.
So
that
was
my
first
one
and
what
is
first
thing
I'm
going
to
do
after
the
pandemic's
over
we're
probably
going
to
get
our
group
of
friends
together
and
go
on
a
cruise.
I
I
would
be
won't
be
surprised
at
all.
If
that's
what
we
end
up
doing
so,.
A
My
parents
had
five
kids
in
ten
years,
then
an
eight
year
gap,
and
here
I
am
so
we
lived
in
chicago
prior
and
they
decided
they
wanted
to
escape
winters,
my
father
retired,
and
we
moved
down
to
clearwater
beach
and
three
years
later
they
decided
they
missed
chicago.
So
we
moved
back
for
two
years.
They
remembered
why
they
left
chicago
and
we
moved
back
to
clearwater,
which
was
the
winters
and
snow.
A
A
A
A
Yes,
we
lost
daisy,
unfortunately,
the
night
I
went
and
visited
the
dog
park,
so
we
still
have
a
great
dane
and
two
golden
retrievers.
At
one
point
we
did
have
sex,
which
proves
that
we
are
rednecks.
We
had
more
dogs
than
people
and
still
do
for
that
matter.
I
love
to
golf.
A
That's
my
number
one,
but
I
also
really
love
being
out
in
the
yard
doing
things,
because
at
least
you
see
what
you
did
at
the
end
of
the
time
and
you
can
just
kind
of
focus
and
be
alone,
and
so
I
do
like
doing
yard
work.
A
We
love
to
go
to
carmel,
california,
we
like
traveling
all
over,
but
that's
kind
of
our
place.
It's
always
cool,
so
it's
nice
to
escape
to
in
september
when
we're
finally
so
sick
of
the
summer
here
and
there's
great
places
to
hike
great
restaurants,
galleries,
incredible
golf,
arguably
the
best
in
the
world.
A
What
am
I
going
to
do
when
covin's
over?
Well?
Fortunately,
we
have
our
whole
family.
Here
I
lost
my
parents
in
the
early
90s
to
cancer,
but
my
in-laws
just
moved
here
a
year
ago
to
be
close
to
us
and
then
we
can't
see
them
hardly
at
all,
because
we
don't
want
to
put
them
in
harm's
way,
but
they're
a
mile
away
and
we
drop
off
meals.
Occasionally
we
will
have
them
over
and
we
extend
our
table
and
they
sit
at
one
end.
A
A
My
first
concert
was
at
ravinia
park
in
highland
park
and
it
was
cheap
trick.
I
was
11.
and
it's
ironic
because
mr
xander
retired
here
in
the
clearwater
area,
he
was
the
lead
singer
for
cheap
trick.
So
that
was
my
first
concert.
A
great
venue
up
there.
So.
A
It's
interesting
to
hear
some
of
that
information
about
everybody.
I
appreciate
you
sharing
now
we
can
really
dive
into
it.
So,
mr
horn,
mistaken,
do
you
have
anything
to
add
before
we
start
actually
going
through
the
list?
No,
no,
sir.
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
thought
one
of
the
good
things
to
ask.
Is
you
know
what
do
you
believe
clearwater's
identity
is
and
what
do
you
think
it
should.
A
Become
because
often
perception
versus
reality
is
different.
I
mean,
I
know
that
I,
like
our
slogan,
beautiful
from
bay
beach,
but
at
the
same
time
we
aren't
completely
there
yet.
So
it's
aspirational.
D
It's
grown
a
lot
since
I've
been
here.
I
think
it's
made
some
right
decisions
on
the
growth.
What
I
like
you
know
the
the
moniker
of
best
city
to
live,
work
and
play.
I
think,
fits
it
really
good,
because
that's
what
we
do
here
I
mean
our
residents
live
here.
D
D
D
I
don't
know
the
exact
count,
but
I
looked
this
morning
we
have
50.
It
says
we
have
51
communities,
but
some
of
them
are
counting
condominium
associations.
I
think
we're
around
mid
30s
on
neighborhoods,
but
what's
amazing
is
they
all
have
a
different
flavor?
I
mean
they
really
do.
You
can
go
to
countryside
just
different
than
morningside
it's
different
than
the
beach.
D
D
You
know
we
have:
we've
got
great
schools,
we
got
a
good
urban,
suburban
mix.
D
I
think
we
could
do
more
with
with
a
balance
of
commercial
versus
residential,
but
I
understand
why
residential
so
much
because
we
were
you
know
we
were
built
out
and
we're
getting
more
apartments
all
the
time.
If
you
look
at
19
a
lot
of
those
car
lots
that
were
there
are
being
built
out,
you
know
by
apartments
more
people
here
we're
getting
more
dense,
which
some
people
probably
don't
like,
but
you
know
I
look
at
it
as
a
good
thing.
I
mean
I
hear
people
sometimes
say
gee,
I
don't
go
to
the
beach
anymore.
D
I
go
why
they
go
well.
Traffic's
too
bad.
You
know
to
go
to
the
beach.
Well,
I
live
on
the
beach.
If
you
go
to
the
beach
before
11
o'clock,
you
won't
see
hardly
any
traffic
get
there
early.
You
can
enjoy
the
day
at
the
beach
and
come
back,
but
to
say
that
it's
a
failure
because
we
have
too
much
traffic.
D
It's
like
you,
know,
double
a
sword.
Well,
we
got
too
much
traffic
because
a
lot
of
people
love
the
beach.
So
so
anyway,
that's
kind
of
my
take
on
it.
I
think
we
can
make
it
better,
maybe
by
you
know,
trying
to
be
a
little
more
diverse
on
the
layout
of
what
clearwater
is.
But
I
think
we've
made
some
good
decisions
to
now
and
I
would
strengthen
the
neighborhoods.
D
E
Councilmember
hamilton:
well,
I
think
it's
a
you
know
the
question
of
what
do
you
believe
is
clearwater's
identity
is
and
what
would
you
like
it
to
be?
I
think
it's
a
yeah,
it's
a
two-prong
question
because
you
know
clearwater's,
identity,
nationwide
and
internationally.
E
E
You
know
the
library
system,
the
the
the
sys,
the
services
that
the
city
provides
are
all
good
education
isn't
is
an
argument
you
can
have
as
to
whether
or
not
we
have
great
education
for
our
kids
or
not,
but
I
think
it's
definitely
improving,
but
we're
you
know
we
are.
E
You
know,
yep
a
lot
of
people,
you
know
when
you,
when
you
ever
every
time,
there's
a
facebook
page
of
old
clearwater.
You
know
you,
you
know
lived
in
old
clearwater
and
one
of
the
comments
that
are
most
prevalent
at
all.
Oh,
I
love
it.
I
loved
it
like
that
back
then
well,
the
problem
is
if
clearwater
would
have
stayed
like
that
forever.
E
So
there's
a
give
and
take
there
and
and-
and
I
think
you
know
we're
doing-
a
pretty
good
job
on
both
ends,
both
as
the
the
beach
destination
and
our
reputation
nationally
and
internationally,
and
I
think
we're
you
know.
For
the
most
part,
there
are
individual
neighborhoods
and
some
individuals
who
will
disagree,
but
I
think
the
vast
majority
of
people
who
live
in
clearwater
are
very
happy
with
what
they're
to
be
here.
So.
C
C
I
think
for
most
people
now,
the
first
time
I
became
familiar
with
clearwater.
It
was
back
in
1980
when
60
minutes
came
to
town
and
did
a
story
about
scientology
trying
to
take
over
the
city
and
for
a
lot
of
people
around
the
world
when
they
think
of
clearwater,
they
think
of
beautiful
beach
and
they
think
of
scientology
dominating
the
city,
which
it
doesn't
necessarily
do.
But
that's
the
impression
that
people
have.
C
And
that's
why
I
moved
here
because
I
cared
about
the
city
long
before
I
first
came
here
in
1999.,
I
I
would
like
to
see
us
known
as
having
a
world-class
speech
and
and
standing
up
to
scientology,
but
we'll
talk
about
that.
Much
later.
C
I
I
think
that's
a
reality
for
a
lot
of
people
that
instantly
they'll.
Think
of
of
the
scientology
organization.
C
B
I
kind
of
looked
at
this
question
as
or
the
how
do
we
see
clear
water
and
its
identity?
Is
we
have
residents
who
live
here
and
then
we
have
a
national
audience
and
then
we
have
how
we're
seeing
locally
like
in
the
county
or
in
the
state
and-
and
I
I
think
you
know
I'd
start
with
a
national
audience
only
because
when
we
purchased
our
town
home
eight
years
ago,
I
didn't
even
know
scientology
existed.
B
B
When
I
walk
along
the
beach,
especially
in
the
past
in
the
summer
spring
and
summer,
you
hear
a
lot
of
foreign
languages
and
lots
of
people
from
all
over
the
world
visit,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
to
maintain
that
reputation
as
a
real
welcoming
clean
beach
for
national
and
international
visitors,
and
then
we
have
residents-
and
I
think
I
agree
with
david
vice
mayor
albritton-
that
we
have
a
lot
of
personalities
in
those
different
neighborhoods,
there's,
certainly
a
different
feel
in
countryside.
I
was
out
there
this
weekend.
B
I
went
from
a
north
greenwood
event
to
countryside,
and
you
know
the
atmosphere
is
like
night
and
day
and
I
think
each
each
community
sky,
crest
lake
bellevue
the
beach
north
beach.
We
should
celebrate
those
different
identities
or
or
the
personality.
That's
there
in
those
communities.
I
had
a
phone
call
last
week
with
there's
a
arts,
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
it
is,
but
it's
we've
hired
on
this
arts
promotion
and
with
with
mr
hubbard
who's
part
of
our
what's
his
title,
I'm
sorry!
B
But
anyway,
she
and
I
talked-
and
she
you
know
she
wanted
some
of
my
feedback
about
arts
throughout
the
community,
and
I
said
exactly
the
same
thing
that
we
have
a
lot
of
different
personalities
in
our
neighborhoods
and
I
think
that
that'd
be
a
great
place
to
put
art
and
celebrate
the
uniqueness
there,
but
there's
also
great
disparity
between
those
neighborhoods
and
how
they
look:
the
roads,
the
sidewalks,
the
parks
and
those
different
areas.
B
There
is
definitely
a
different
feel
and
I
think
that
we
can
improve
on
a
little
more
equity
throughout
the
city
and
then
and
then
our
our
reputation
locally.
I
don't
know
that
we're
seen
as
innovative
or
leaders,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
should
be.
I
mean
I've
heard
this
phrase,
we're
the
crown
jewel
of
the
county,
our
city,
our
location
and-
and
I
certainly
want
to
protect
that
and
protect
our
greatest
resource,
which
is
the
beach
and
our
environment
here.
B
B
B
A
A
I
look
at
the
city
right
now
and
I
think
most
people
look
at
us
as
clearwater
beach.
That,
I
think,
is
the
identity.
I
think
some
of
our
citizens
even
think
that
there
is
too
much
emphasis
on
clearwater
beach.
One
of
the
reasons
I
want
a
meeting
like
this
is
so
we
can
talk
about
some
of
the
issues,
because
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
revenue
that
comes
from
the
beach
and
the
waterfront
properties.
A
It
actually
helps
pay
for
a
lot
of
the
other
things
throughout
the
city,
and
I
don't
I
don't
think
people
understand
where
tax
revenues
come
from
and
that
they
don't
solely
stay,
for
instance,
on
the
beach.
In
fact,
it
subsidizes
a
lot
of
the
other
things
that
are
off
the
beach.
People
need
to
know
that
when
I
talk
to
them
one-on-one,
I
will
often
correct
them
on
that
misnomer
because
it
is
an
issue
and
it's
that's
the
way
it's
been
forever.
A
I
mean,
I
think
we
have
aspirations
and
my
aspiration
is
to
be
bright
and
beautiful,
but
we
need
to
work
on
actually
fulfilling
that
promise.
I
don't
think
we
always
do
one
of
my
the
questions
that's
in
here
and
I
hope
we
get
to
it.
Is
you
know
how
much
is
enough
of
anything.
A
I
think
we
need
to
set
some
levels
of
how
much,
how
much
do
we
want
to
spend
on
each
individual
service,
be
it
libraries,
parts
of
recreation,
how
many
fire
stations?
I
think
a
lot
of
the
things
we
have
in
this
city,
we're
kind
of
where
we
need
to
be
with
a
population
that
is
relatively
static.
We
are
not
growing
by
leaps
and
bounds.
We
are
getting
a
little
bit
more
density,
as
the
vice
mayor
said
in
some
of
these
multi-family
residential
out
on
19
and
some
of
the
surrounding
area.
A
Well,
it's
interesting,
so
we
built
all
of
these
facilities,
and
I
think
we
are
the
clearing
house
for
north
pinellas
county
for
parks
and
recreation.
We
have
more
than
what
we
need
in
parks
and
rec
for
our
residents,
but
because
of
team
sports
and
other
things.
We've
kind
of
become
the
clearinghouse
for
that
and.
A
A
A
A
We
work
with
our
not-for-profits
in
the
city
to
give
services
that
we're
not
really
equipped
to
give
and
I'm
actually
you
know
gonna
go
first
on
this
one.
I
don't
normally
go
first
on
anything,
but
if
you
can
pass
these
down,
I
know
you're
fairly
familiar,
but
I
think
it
bears
repeating
some
of
this.
A
What
I've
given
is
a
for
those
who
want
to
follow
on
at
home
is
just
a
graph
of
how
your
property
tax
bill
breaks
down.
A
A
Those
other
agencies
are
jwb,
which
is
juvenile
welfare
board,
swift
mud
psta,
which
is
pinellas
transit
authority,
and
so
you
can
see
that
of
the
three
big
entities
we
get
a
little
bit
less
than
the
county
and
less
than
the
school
board,
and
so
with
that
money
I
believe
we
are
supposed
to
be
providing
municipal
services
and
what
do
those
include
police,
fire
parks
and
rec
libraries,
public
works,
and
then
we
have
enterprise
funds
which
are
solid
waste
recycling.
A
I
mean
we're
never
going
to
get
into
national
defense
right.
That's
the
federal
government's
role
to
form
treaties,
that's
their
role
at
the
state
level.
They
do
certain
things
that
we
don't
do
and
so
same
with
the
county,
and
so
I'd
like
to
talk
about
that.
I
would
like
to
go
back.
One
thing
I
didn't
include
council
member
beckman
is,
I
think,
clearwater
has
been
a
leader
on
a
lot
of
things.
A
Saint
petersburg,
for
instance,
just
got
recycling
a
few
years
ago.
We've
been
doing
it
for
over
20
years
we
were
the
first
city
to
get
led
lights
and
go
through
duke
and
put
those
throughout
the
city.
We've
been
the
leader
in
parks
and
rec
in
this
county
forever.
We've.
A
So
I
think
we
are
the
leader
on
many
areas
without
question.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
a
question
of
whether
you
want
to
be
a
leader
in
other
areas.
A
So
let
me
just
go
through
the
the
sub
categories.
Are
there
times
we
want
to
deviate
from
our
role
now.
I
think
we
did
deviate
as
a
council
up
here.
Well,
I
don't
think
we
did.
I
knew
we
did
with
our
business
grant
program
that
was
outside
of
our
lane.
A
I
think
we
did
that
because
covid
was
a
very
unusual
circumstance.
At
least
I
hope
it's
unusual,
but
we
used
money
specifically
to
help
businesses.
Now
that
was
really
the
role
of
county
government
because
they
got
the
cares
act
money
to
do
that
with
from
the
federal
government
we
did
not.
A
There
are
not
many
times
that
I
want
to
deviate
from
our
role.
I
think
we
have
our
lane
and
I
pretty
much
want
to
stay
in
it.
The
trigger
for
me
on
this
was
an
unprecedented
pandemic.
A
And
then
the
last
question
is
you
know
what
would
be
the
trigger
was
the
second
question,
but
our
social
service
is
a
fundamental
municipal
service
to
we
desire
to
be
a
social
services
provider.
If
so,
which
ones
do
we
want
to
be
a
more
significant
funder?
If
so,
what
would
we
divert
money
from
to
pay
for
these
services?
A
Now
that
31
that
goes
to
the
county?
They
are
the
level
of
government
that
does
a
lot
of
social
services
and
health,
and
so
for
me,
we
help
with
some
social
services
through,
for
instance,
hep.
A
D
D
D
D
Most
people
don't
know
what
what
kind
of
process
it
is
to
guarantee
clean
water.
To
our
you
know,
people
and,
of
course,
sewer
services.
Roads,
curbs
sidewalks.
You
know
a
lot
of
things.
We
have
to
do
for
liability
reasons.
Sidewalks
I
mean
everybody
loves
trees,
but
they
cause
sidewalks
to
buckle
people
trip
and
becomes
a
hazard.
D
You
know
things
too:
we
have.
We
got
water
to
worry
about.
We've
got
the
the
sea
turtles
and
the
lighting
there,
and
I
mean
you
know
just
it
goes
on
and
on,
but
we
try
to
do
the
best
we
can
to
to
solve
a
lot
of
those
issues.
D
So
I
kind
of
agree
that
you
know:
infrastructure,
police
safety
comes
first
and
infrastructure
comes
second
and
then
whatever
we
can
do
after
that,
we'll
try
to
to
help
with
it.
B
B
That's
never
exactly!
You
know
what
they
need
and
distribute
it,
but
it's
not
enough
to
serve
the
people
who
live
in
our
community,
whether
they're
living
in
a
home
or
they're,
not
living
in
a
home
and
so
just
to
say.
Well
sorry,
you
know,
that's
that's
how
it
goes.
We've
distributed
our
funds
and
we
have
people
on
three-year
waiting
list
for
affordable
or
subsidized
housing.
B
But
I,
like
I
kind
of
brought
up
at
last
thursday's
meeting.
We
certainly
can
partner
with
these
non-profits
that
are
doing
the
heavy
lift.
We
can
cut
red
tape.
We
can
support
them
to
me.
You
know
people
have
mentioned
schools
as
a
teacher,
and
you
know
more
importantly,
the
research
tells
us.
It
is
a
fact
that
if
we
put
money
into
childhood
education,
early
childhood
education
and
get
kids
at
reading
level
at
third
grade,
the
statistics
tell
us
they
will
be.
B
Have
a
greater
chance
of
being
successful,
and
so
I
don't,
I
think,
our
our
public
schools
are
fine
here,
they're,
not
the
best
in
the
nation.
That's
for
sure,
and
and
we
can
do
as
a
city.
We
can
do
some
things
to
help,
enhance
that,
whether
it's
you
know
and
post
covet
or
eventually
after
this
election,
where
my
attention
has
been
you
know,
it'd,
be
great
to
develop
some
kind
of
a
volunteer,
coordinated
effort
to
match
a
bunch
of
our
retired
people
with
young
readers
to
help
bring
them
up
to
reading
level.
B
I
mean
there's
all
sorts
of
possibilities
as
a
city
we
can
engage
in.
I
I
look
forward
to
leading
to
to
help
make
improvements
with
residents
on
their
everyday
life,
and
I
would
say
too,
you
know
it's
true.
You've
got
your
chart
here
and
and
where
the
money
goes,
and
that
our
primary
function
is
those
five
different
areas,
you
know
parks
and
rec,
and
fire
and
police
and
the
municipal
services
utilities.
B
But
in
light
of
that,
then
we
say
well.
Is
it
our
responsibility
to
build
a
64
million
dollar
plus
entertainment
venue?
That's
going
to
be
a
national
draw,
I
mean
that's.
That
is
a
choice
that
we've
decided
to
pour
a
ton
of
money
there.
You
know
to
help
our
economy,
to
you,
know,
keep
things
new
and
fresh
and
current
and
keep
people
coming
or
whatever
reason
that
that
that
that's
been
promoted.
But
that's
that's
a
choice.
B
That's
not
that
doesn't
fall
into
one
of
those
five
categories
right
and
that's
a
ton
of
money
that
goes
there,
and
so
you
know
I
I
I
questioned
that
I
just
yeah
I
you
know
the
state
is
not
adequately
funding
social
service
programs
and,
and
that
just
is
a
reality.
And
so
it's
do.
We
turn
our
a
blind
eye
and
say
sorry:
we
don't
have
any
money
or
do
we
say
wow.
B
I
need
to
try
to
help
improve
this
in
some
way
and
I'm
not
a
pollyanna
who
thinks
that
I'm
going
to
clear
everybody
up
off
the
street,
because
I
know
that
there
is
a
percentage
of
homeless
population
for
whatever
reason,
mental
health
or
whatever,
who
we
are
not
going
to
eradicate
all
homelessness,
we're
not
whether
it's
the
nature
of
their
mental
illness.
They
don't
choose
to
medicate
or
whatever,
but
you
know
the
professionals
that
I've
been
speaking
to
recently
in
our
community
that
head
up
those
social
services
say
that
you
know.
B
Out
of
our,
I
thought
I
saw
sergeant
fidelis
like
out
of
our
70
to
80.
You
know
kind
of
chronic
homeless
that
there
are
about
20
percent
or
so
so.
You
know
that
we
can
get
off
the
street
that
we
will
be
able
to
get
through
a
stars
program.
Give
them
skills,
get
them
a
job.
They'll,
be
able
to
follow
the
rules
and
stay
within
the
boundaries
to
get
at
home
and
be
a
productive,
tax-paying
citizen.
So
you
know,
let's
set
some
realistic
goals,
so
you
know
that's
how
I
look
at
it.
B
I
you
know
I
grew
up
in
a
family
where
my
dad
had
a
degree
in
social
work.
He
worked
in
the
state
government
of
michigan,
he
was
a
lobbyist
for
the
governor
and
then
he
was
director
of
the
department
of
labor.
So
we
looked
at.
You
know
we
advocating
and
having
family
conversations
always
about
workers,
and
then
he
was
chairman
of
the
public
service
commission.
B
So
that
was
about
utilities
and
setting
rates,
and
my
conversations
and
my
values
throughout
my
life
have
dealt
with
everyday
people
and
improving
their
lives,
and
you
know-
and
and
that's
that's
just
what
I
grew
up
with
it's-
what
my
whole
family
extended
family
continues
to
do,
what
our
conversations
are
about,
so
it's
it's
at
the
surface
always
and
and
so
that's-
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
coming
from.
D
G
D
Mention
was
economic
development.
I
mean
that's
the
responsibility
of
local
government
as
well,
and
we're
going
to
get
into
more
of
that
as
the
time
goes
on
here.
D
But
you
know
you're
saying
about
the
imagine
clearwater
and
the
performance
within
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
disagree
with
you
on
that,
but
I
think
that
that's
part
of
economic
development
here
to
we're
trying
to
spur
something
to
really
happen,
and
you
know
when,
if
we
do
get
this
spur
and
the
spark
to
actually
happen
here,
clearwater
will,
through
taxes,
will
get
more
in
their
coffers
to
maybe
help
with
programs
like
here.
So
you
know
it
takes
a
it's.
D
It's
not
real
easy,
like
you're,
just
taking
money,
you
earn
it
first
and
then
we
can
do
some
some
things
with
it.
So.
D
E
Well,
I
look
at
it.
As
you
know,
what
is
the
role
of
city
government?
Let
me
look
at
a
bigger
umbrella.
The
role
of
government
has
always
been
to
provide
the
goods
and
services
that
the
private
sector
doesn't
want
to
do
because
there's
no,
if
if
there
was
profit
in,
but
you
know,
if
there's
profit
in
it,
private
enterprise
will
do
it,
but
so
the
government
is
looked
at
to
provide
the
services
that
the
private
private
private
sector
is
not
interested
in
that
are
that
are
necessary.
E
So,
as
was
as
was
mentioned,
the
you
know
we
have
ours.
The
count
the
county
is
is
more
responsible
for
social
services.
The
state
is
even
more
responsible
for
that.
The
federal
government
handles
roads
and
interstate,
you
know,
building
highways
and-
and
you
know,
national
defense
and
and
and
all
that
good
stuff,
but
you
know
everybody
has
their
everybody.
Has
their
lane
so
to
speak.
Everybody's
got
the
lane
that
they
need
to
be
responsible,
for
we
know
what
our
lane
is.
E
We
would
love
to.
I
would
love
for
denise
and
economic
development
and
and
to
be
able
to
do
more
than
they
do,
but
we
have
a
certain
pot
of
money
or
a
certain
amount
of
money
that
we
do
end
up
getting
from
the
state
and
county
for
that
kind
of
thing,
and
that's
what
we
have
now
if
we
want
to
make
that
number
bigger,
we've
got
to
take
that
money
out
of
our
budget
and
out
of
our
pot
and
decide.
E
You
know
how
much
do
we
want
to
take
out
of
that
and
from
what
program
do
we
want
to
take
it
from
now
and
yeah?
We
can't
be
everything
for
everybody,
but
we
are
kind
of
the
clearing
house.
You
know
for
the
homeless,
in
our
in
our
community.
For
the
you
know,
people
that
need
some
help
with
housing,
we're
not
the
provider,
but
we
are
the
clearinghouse.
We
know
how
to
get
them
in
touch
with
the
county
people
and
and
whatnot
to
see
what
what
can
be
available.
E
You
know,
affordable
housing
is
another
thing.
You
know
to
build:
affordable
housing.
You've
got
to
have
a
significant
amount
of
government
financing
government
government
money
because
a
contractor
it
still
costs
a
certain
amount
of
money
to
build
it,
and
a
private
investor
is
not
going
to
build
it
at
what
it
costs
to
build
and
then
rent
at
affordable
housing
rates
quote
unquote
because
there's
no,
it's
not
profitable.
It's
not
a
profitable
enterprise,
so
we've
got
to.
E
We
do
a
pretty
good
job
with
what
we
have
to
work
with
we'd
like
to
have
more
to
work
with
absolutely,
but
that's
something,
that's
a
change
that
has
to
be
done
at
the
state
level.
I
would
say
you
know
to
do
that.
We
need
to
make
sure
when
you
cast
your
vote
in
november
you're
voting
for
someone
they
can
get
that
done
and
make
sure
that
the
people
you
know
make
sure
that
our
delegation
hears
us
speak
when
we
say
this
is
our.
E
These
are
our
priorities
now,
along
the
other
side,
the
again
the
economic
development
side
you
got
to
leave,
I
say
you
lead
by
example.
That's
why
we're
talking?
That's
why
we
are
doing
imagine
clearwater
we're
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is.
We
are
developing
an
identity
and
a
destination
and
an
amenity
that
will
hopefully
encourage
the
downtown
property
owners
and
to
invest
in
their
properties.
E
Because,
but
you
know
that's
that's
what
we're
doing
we're
we're
trying
in
my
eyes
we're
leading
by
example.
We
are
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
and
we're
willing
to
do.
Imagine
clear
water,
because
the
final
product
is
going
to
be
something
that
there
will
be
something
for
everyone
to
enjoy
some
aspect
of
it.
Some
people
won't
be
wild.
E
If
you
don't
have
little
kids
you're
not
going
to
be
wild
about
the
splash
pad,
if
you've
got
little
kids
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
keep
them
away
from
the
splash
pad
yeah
things
of
that
nature,
but
we're
going
to
create
a
little
something
for
everybody,
and
hopefully,
that
energy
transmits
through
downtown
and
throughout
our
city,
to
to
spur
reinvestment
in
the
in
the
properties
that
need
that
reinvestment.
E
C
C
And
I
couldn't
find
anything
like
that.
But
then
we
saw
the
the
newspaper
article
from
some
city.
I
think
up
in
the
northeast
that
was
giving
out
food
vouchers
for
the
restaurants
and
we
went
with
that
which
it
was
a
successful
program
not
just
in
feeding
some
people,
not
not,
certainly
the
amount
of
people
that
we
need
to
feed.
As
you
know,
the
salvation
army,
and
so
many
other
people
have
been
doing
successfully,
but
I
think
there
is
a
role
for
us
to
take
some
action.
C
I
agree
with
kathleen
that
64
million
dollars
for
the
park
is
a
gamble.
I
I
knew
there
were
three
votes
on
it,
and
so
I
thought
it's
going.
C
My
support
behind
it
and
vote
for
it
too,
and
try
to
make
this
as
a
success,
but
I
really
do
think
there's
no
guarantee
that
it's
going
to
be
a
success.
C
C
It's
just
astonishing
how
we
have
purposely
made
it
so
difficult
for
people
to
get
unemployment
for
for
every
aspect
of
it,
so
we
do
need
to
step
up
from
time
to
time
to
help,
and
one
thing
we
can
do
you
know
if
we
say:
oh,
you
know,
how
can
we
get
affordable
housing?
Well,
I
asked
to
be
put
on
an
agenda
coming
up
that
we
talk
about.
You
know
approving.
C
Granny
flats
and
garage
apartments-
and
you
know
some
smaller
structures
on
that
people
can
put
attached
to
their
home
or
in
their
backyard
and
rent
those
out
so
that
they
can
get
some
rental
income
and
then
the
many
many
people
who
need
a
place
to
live
might
have
something
affordable
that
they
can
pick
up.
That
doesn't
seem
to
me
a
difficult
thing
for
us
to
do,
and
it's
something
I
think
we
should
leap
on
is.
Is
it
going
to
solve
all
the
problems?
No,
but
we've
got
a
housing
stock.
That's
that's
old!
C
That's
built
for
families
of
five
or
six
people
in
most
homes
across
the
country.
You
have
one
or
two
people
living
in
them,
so
smaller
homes
and
perhaps
smaller
lot
size
might
be
something
we
can
adjust
as
well,
but
I
I
think
we
do
need
to
put
as
much
care
into
thinking.
What
can
we
do
to
help
people
improve
their
lives
rather
than
just
here's
a
bucket
of
money?
We
can
gamble
on
a
park,
you
know
it
it.
It
seemed
to
be
fairly
easy
to
get
that.
C
Well,
I
mean
it
was
a
fight
for
a
few
years,
but
that
was
kind
of
a
no-brainer
compared
to
you
know,
helping
the
folks
who
are
facing
eviction
and
again
is
that
the
city's
job?
E
Well,
I
I'm
gonna
use
it.
I
mean
some
of
the
terminology
that
we're
using
everybody's
got
different
ones,
but
I
don't
look
at
imagine
clear
water
as
a
gamble.
I
I
I
look
at
it.
The
only
way
to
make
downtown
successful
is
to
put
bodies
in
downtown
and
imagine.
Clearwater
has
a
plan
both
with
the
show
and
with
the
amenities
that
the
park's
going
to
have.
E
The
whole
plan
is
designed
to
put
bodies
downtown
and
when
those
bodies
are
downtown,
they
they're
right
next
door
to
okay,
I'm
down
here
now,
I'm
hungry.
I
want
something
to
eat
boom
here
you
are
got
the
businesses
in
downtown.
So
to
me
I
don't
think
it's
a
gamble.
It's
an
investment,
there's
a
difference.
Now,
there's
some
some
gamble,
some
some
some
degree
of
risk
in
any
investment,
but
I
think
the
degree
of
risk
in
this
investment
is
extremely
low
and.
E
A
A
No,
I
have
a
feeling
that
two-thirds,
some
of
you
would
keep
and
then
another
third
would
go
away
and
then
the
question
is:
if
you
move
money,
would
it
go
into
the
areas
that
you
are
desiring
or
would
it
just
go
back
into
our
coffers,
or
would
we
even
borrow
it
through
a
bond
so
to
say
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
is
interesting
about
the
landings
people
keep
saying,
save
the
green.
A
A
It's
not
necessarily
what's
going
to
occur.
There
is
a
very
good
chance
that
the
golf
course
operator
is
not
going
to
stay
there.
So
my
what
I'm
pointing
at
is
just
because
you
don't
support
one
thing
or
another:
don't
believe
that
that
money
would
either
be
diverted
to
something
else:
social
services
wise
or
that
anything's
going
to
stay
status
quo.
A
I
think
that's
where
we
can
really
get
off
track
and
give
citizens
expectations
that
aren't
realistic,
because
my
guess
is
that,
regardless,
the
landings,
for
instance,
is
not
going
to
stay
green
space
and
if
we
scrap
parts
of
imagine
clear
water,
it's
not
a
fact
that
that
money
would
go
elsewhere
and.
E
F
G
I
think
it's
administrator,
it's
I
I
have
lots
to
add,
but
this
is
an
opportunity
for
me
to
listen,
and
so
I
really
enjoy
most
of
that.
I
brought
a
copy
of
the
charter
with
me.
G
I
looked
over
it
last
night
and
there
as
and
I'm
sure
you
all
are
familiar
with
it,
there's
nowhere
in
the
charter
that
gives
us
a
mandate
for
social
services,
and
I
have
always
been
sensitive
to
that.
Going
back
to
what
I
was
appointed,
because
the
way
we
would
pay
for
social
services
would
be
with
general
fund
dollars.
G
And
when
council
members
say
when
they
campaign,
no
one
wants
to
raise
taxes
and
that
resonates
within
the
community,
then
that
communicates
to
me.
We
have
to
be
very
careful
about
how
we
spend
those
general
fund
dollars
and
so,
as
a
result,
the
only
social
service
that
I've
ever
emphasized
and
at
least
three
up
here
know
that
is
homelessness.
G
So
we
we
do
support
in
partnerships.
You
know
where
we
aren't
necessarily,
you
know
giving
money
to
help.
You
know
providers,
we
we
we
are
are
sensitive
to
the
county.
The
county
has
a
huge
social
services
budget
that
is
supposed
to
cover
us
county
wide,
so
so
that
has
acted
that
has
served
as
a
as
a
challenge
to
me
in
making
sure
that
we
maintain.
You
know
a
balance.
G
G
Never
have
because
I've
always
felt
that
when
that,
when
I,
when
I
leave
this
place,
I
want
to
leave
it
better
than
I
found
it,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
economy
is
better
that
can
sustain
us
into
the
future.
Now
these
are
very
emotional
things
to
me,
because
I've
always
felt
that
part
of
my
mission
on
earth
is
to
make
a
difference
wherever
I
live
and
wherever
I
am,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
the
mindset
so
mayor
to
your
question.
G
If
we
want
to
go
in
a
different
direction,
moving
closer
toward,
for
example,
social
services,
then
I
would
need
the
policy
guidance
from
the
council
to
push
me
in
that
direction,
because
we,
because
we
really
I
we
all-
need
to
be
accountable
and
and
if
citizens
are
behind
us,
that's
great.
If
they're
not
behind
us,
someone
needs
to
be
accountable
and
to
explain
to
them.
Why
we're
moving
in
a
direction
that
they
don't
want
to
go?
A
F
H
I
do
just
a
little
and
it's
really
to
reflect
on
what
I'm
hearing
from
all
of
you,
including
bill
and
bill.
I
thought
that
was
great
and
I
thought
you
really
capsulized
a
lot
of
what
the
council
members
were
saying
in
a
in
a
very
concise
way,
but
what
I'm
hearing
is
almost
three
different
levels
of
response
to
the
question
about
whether
or
not
we
provide
social
services
and
the
first
level
of
response
is
very
individual.
H
It's
a
social
worker
teacher
view
and
that's
not
meant
to
be
a
negative
at
all,
but
it's
a
very
individual
response.
Looking
at
individual
needs
of
the
individual
people
in
our
community
and
then
the
second
level
response
is
more
the
governmental
response.
What
can
we
do
to
make
it
better
in
the
community
generally,
such
as
some
regulations
allowing
making
changes
to
regulations
to
allow
for
more
affordable
housing,
etc?
H
And
then
the
third
level
response
is
our
primary
function.
Use
of
general
fund
dollars
support
for
the
community
generally.
How
do
we
make
our
community
stronger
to
support
the
not-for-profits
to
support
the
entire
community
altogether,
and
so
this
council
is
really
reacting
in
three
different
ways
to
the
same
question
and
mayor,
I
think
your
question
initially
is:
where
should
we
be
in
our
response
level,
are
we
individual
service
provider
identify
the
person
or
is
that
the
function
of
the
not
private
non-for-profits?
B
So
I
want
to
be
crystal
clear:
I
am
not
advocating
for
the
city
to
be
providing
social
services
in
any
way.
That's
not
our
job,
we're
not
going
to
set
up
a
sore
storefront
right
to
provide
services.
I
want
us
to
partner,
we
already
do
partner
some.
You
know
with
our
our
social
service
deliverers
in
the
community.
I
think
we
can
do
more.
I
think
we
can
cut
the
red
tape.
B
We
can
do
things
with
you
know
zoning
or
permits,
or
there
are
ways
to
add
value
for
those
non-profits
that
don't
take
out
of
our
general
fund
monies,
and
I
think
we,
if
we
can
make
that
a
priority.
You
know,
that's
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
is
to
you
know.
We've
got
our
strategic
plan
and
I
think
here
is
where
we
can
put
a
little
more
emphasis
on
the
quality
of
life
of
everyday
residents,
so
partner,
partnering.
More
is
good
as
far
as
the
landings.
B
I
just
want
to
be
clear
with
some
of
the
statements
that
have
been
made
about
it's
not
going
to
be
remain
a
golf
course,
because
it's
my
understanding
that
it's
up
to
residents
to
decide.
What's
going
to
go
on
top
of
that
land,
if
it's
it's
zoned
for
open
space,
recreational
and
we're
in
the
process
of
changing
that,
but
ultimately
it's
the
residents
who
decide
what
kind
of
building
or
structure
goes
on
that
land
right,
and
so,
when
somebody
sits
up
here
and
says:
well,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
golf
course.
B
H
The
citizens
don't
vote
on
the
land
use
and
the
zoning
of
that
property.
The
citizens
in
this
case
are
voting
on
whether
or
not
we
lease
the
property
for
use
other
than
its
current
use.
So
we
could
use
that
property
for
other
open
space
recreation
uses
without
a
vote
of
the
public,
so
it
is
not.
It
can
be
used
for
other
open
space
rec
purposes
such
as
what
might
some
of
those.
B
A
B
E
Well,
and
like
has
been
mentioned,
you
know
everybody
says
well,
we
could
use
more
soccer
fields.
Well,
are
we
the
pr?
E
Are
we
the
recreational
facility
provider
for
the
north
county
and
to
some
degree,
south
pasco
county,
because
if
we
are,
let's
build
all
these
fields
by
guide
south
pasco
county
tarpon
springs
dunedin
the
county
itself,
safety,
harbor,
largo,
they're,
all
going
to
start
pitching
in
and
giving
us
money
to
build
and
maintain
these
fields,
and
I
can
promise
you
when
you
go
to
those
those
entities
and
say
we
need
money
for
all
this,
because
your
people
are
using
them
too
they're
going
to
say,
good
luck,
money's,
not
here
and-
and
I've
made
this
comment
to
a
number
of
people.
E
E
But
I
you
know
in
my
crystal
ball:
we
see,
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
stay
a
golf
course,
because
the
houston
family
is
looking
at
they're
on
the
hook
for
a
s
a
little
less
than
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
reclaimed
water
bill
that
they
have
not
had
to
pay
at
this
point
because
they
haven't
used
reclaim,
but
now
they
have
to
hook
up
and
go
to
reclaim
everything
else
about
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
or
a
little
over
nut
that
they're
looking
at
there.
E
So
I
don't
know
that
it's
gonna
stay
a
golf
course.
I
seriously
doubt
that
it
will
the
expense
to
make
it
a
park
and
then
the
expense
to
maintain
it
as
a
part
that
comes
strictly
out
of
general
fund
revenue.
The
only
way
we're
going
to
create
that
money
in
general
fund
is
to
raise
the
millage,
but
the
most
logical
to
me
use
of
that
land.
If
it's
not
going
to
be
a
golf
course,
is
expansion
of
the
air
park
itself
build
more
hangers,
so
we
can
get
more
airplanes
in
there.
E
The
and
the
tenants
and
those
hangers
will
pay
the
freight
for
what
that.
For
what
that
land
is
and
for
the
maintenance
and
upgrade
of
it
and
everything
else,
so
you
know,
and
and
that
does
not
go
to
referendum
either.
That
goes
to
the
county
for
for
some
some
changes,
but
it
does
not
go
to
referendum,
so
you
know
if
we
want
that
land
to
be
self-sufficient
and
self-sustaining.
As
far
from
an
economic
standpoint,
expansion
of
the
airport
is
probably
the
most
logical
use
for
it
in
the
future.
A
B
A
B
And
let
me
you
know
if
you
want
to
end
the
conversation
on
the
landings,
I
you
know
I,
I
guess
you
can
call
it
when
you
want,
but
the
fact
that
you're
you're
you're,
stating
that
we
added
park
space
when
we
talk
about
that
acreage.
That's
that's
added
or
that's,
depicted
on
the
great
big
map
that
art
cater
sent
me
that
I'm
utilizing
you
know.
We've
got
sand
key
county
park
as
counted
in
acreage.
B
We
have
cooper's
bio
in
different
parts
of
our
parkland
or
green
space
that
aren't
accessible
to
people
and
when
you
get
a
good
look
of
the
the
map
of
our
incorporated
city
and
where
green
space
is,
it
is
sorely
lacking
in
the
middle
of
the
city,
and
so
you
know
I'm
not
against
development,
I'm
not
against.
You
know
light
industrial.
B
What
I
have
a
big
problem
with
with
the
landings
is
the
city
did
not
engage
residents
on
the
front
end
to
talk
about
what
do
you
envision
here
on
this
piece
of
property?
What
could
we
do
with
it?
Can
we
have
a
little
bit
more
balance
with
maybe
some
workforce
housing
park
area
and
some
lighter
development,
not
seven
or
eight
hangers,
of
light
industrial
stuff?
But
the
other
thing
is
that
people
drive
around
our
community
all
the
time
and
see
under
utilized
or
vacant
buildings
that
they
wonder.
B
Why
isn't
there
a
factory
or
light
industrial
there
and-
and
I
get
you
know-
it's
not
rocket
science-
that
the
developer
wants
a
wide
swath
of
property
to
come
in
and
and
develop
on
rather
than
negotiating
with
every
tenant
or
every
owner
of
a
piece
of
you
know
patchwork
of
property
around
the
city.
But
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
say
so
what
you
know
I
will
work
with
you.
B
I
will
work
with
some
incentives
that
whatever
we
have
to
do
to
get
those
already
vacant
areas
developed,
because
I
value
this
swath
of
green
space.
Here,
I'm
not
going
to
give
this
up
so
easily
because
it's
easier
for
you
developer
to
develop
it
and
and
maximize
your
profit.
And
you
know
that's
that's
kind
of
the
view
I've
I've
taken.
B
I
I
and
I,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
perceived
as
a
threat
when
when
people
say
well,
you
know
if
we
don't
vote
for
the
landings,
we're
just
going
to
have
a
great
big
airport
there.
You
know
I
mean
that's
not
what
residents
want
that
live
around
there
they're
already
dealing
with
a
whole
bunch
of
noise
and
an
increase
in
flight
traffic.
B
B
Those
need
to
be
utilized
first,
but
I
you
know
and
and
discussions
about
herbicides
and
pesticides
and
the
cost
to
maintain
a
park.
I'm
sure
there
are
ways
to
design
a
recreational
area
that
is
much
more
organic
and
natural
and
would
not
take
extensive.
You
know
maintenance,
but
that's
not
my
expertise.
A
A
Very
nice
that
we
did
buy
over
the
last
20
years,
and
the
second
thing
that
I
you
know
open
the
door.
We
talk
about,
affordable
housing,
the
best
way
to
make
housing
affordable
is
get
people
jobs,
so
they
can
afford
the
housing
yeah
and
the
reality
is
there's
no
other
place
in
the
city
that
will
create
a
critical
mass
of
jobs.
A
A
A
A
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
incumbent
upon
us
for
our
boards
to
be
out
there
going
to
people
and
suggesting
that
they
sign
up
to
be
on
the
boards
and
do
it
with
a
you
know,
with
an
eye
to
getting
diversity,
gender
race
experiences,
age,
geographic
areas-
I
think
all
of
those
are
important
and
really
recruiting
aboards
is-
is
pretty
much
our
responsibility
as
we're
out
and
about
in
the
community
very
hard
right
now
with
covet
19..
I.
E
Don't
disagree
on
it,
but
I
I
think
in
in
I
don't
want
this
to
sound
the
wrong
way,
because
that's
not
what
I'm
saying,
because
it's
not
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
but
you
know
given
backgrounds
and
experience,
you
can
have
five
white
men:
five
black
men.
You
know
five
that
look
physically
the
same,
but
it
can
still
be
a
very
diverse
body
from
their
outlook
and
their
inputs
because
of
their
personal
experiences
and
backgrounds.
E
So
diversity
is
more
than
just
skin,
color
and
sex
to
me,
so
you
know,
but
I
think
we
you
know
we
we
want
to
look
for
diversity
because
the
more
the
more
varied
opinions
you
get,
the
better
decisions
and
better
direction
you
get.
You
know,
you're
headed.
D
D
Diversity
is
a
good
thing,
but
if
it
comes
down
to
diversity
and
the
best
person
for
the
job,
I'm
always
going
to
lean
for
the
best
person
on
the
job
I'll,
take
everything
and
assess
it.
But
you
know
the
council
got
we
kind
of
got
scolded
a
few
years
ago
when
we
had
an
opening
on
council
and
we
had
a.
D
I
think
it
was
a
diverse
group
of
people
that
we
could
have
chose
from
and
we
decided
that
we
go
with.
We
thought
the
most
person
that
had
the
experience
and
without
training
somebody
to
with
all
the
issues,
and
then
we
we
got
some
backlash
for
it,
because
we
ended
up
having
five
old
white
guys
on
the
on
the
council.
So
we
never
kind
of
heard
the
end
of
that.
D
But
I
think,
if
you
put
it
out
there
to
groups
you're
not
going
to
have
unless
you
put
it
out
and
say
we're
really
searching
for
diversity
in
the
groups,
you're
not
going
to
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
that.
So
I
think
it's
mostly
the
advertising
in
the
groups
and
the
committees
to
say:
hey
we're,
looking
to
really
fill
this
with
a
rounded
you
know,
group
of
people
and.
C
C
We
had
a
young
guy
come
in
and
pitch
all
of
us
on
some
exercise
equipment
for
the
park,
and
I
talked
to
him
for
quite
a
bit
and
I
I
suggested
he
consider
running
for
office
at
some
point
and
he
is
running
for
the
downtown
development
board
right
now.
So
I'm
happy
to
see
that
we
do
have
to
reach
out
and
and
and
convince
people
that
it's
a
good
idea
to
run
and
talk
about
what
you're
passionate
about.
C
As
far
as
you
know,
I
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
any
quotas
or
anything
like
that.
I
don't
think
that's
in
the
cards
certainly
can't
for
an
election,
but
I
think
generally
it
it's.
It's
a
terrific
idea
to
have
a
great
mixture
of
of
people
on
all
the
boards.
B
Well,
it's
no
secret
that
I
value
diversity
and
I
think
one
goal
might
be
to
have
diverse
representation
comparable
to
our
population,
so
you
know
our
african-american
community
and
our
hispanic
community
at
like
10,
11
14,
or
so
that
that
might
be
an
aspirational
goal
for
different
boards
or
or
you
know,
contracts
things
like
that.
We
can
look
at.
We
can
look
at
awarding.
B
If
we
award
a
big
contract
like
to
stantec,
maybe
we
could
ask
for
a
certain
percentage
of
the
subcontractors
to
be
minority
owned
businesses,
something
like
that
might
work,
but
I
think,
as
far
as
you're
talking
about
reaching
out
to
boards
and
encouraging
people,
I
think
we
can
make
it
a
more
welcoming
place
for
people
who
are
different
than
us.
You
know
we
could
hold
meetings
at
different
times.
We
could
hold
meetings
in
different
locations.
We
could
have
people
participate
remotely.
B
We
need
to
maintain
a
presence
in
all
neighborhoods
in
our
community
and
we
need
to
partner
with
diverse
organizations
and
organizations
and
agencies
and
and
invite
them.
You
know
extend
the
full
invitation
to
come
and
present.
Tell
me
about
your
nonprofit
or
your
organization.
It
needs
to
be
intentional.
It
needs
to
be
an
intentional
reach
out
and
a
shared
goal.
If
it's
going
to
you
know,
if
we're
really
going
to
get
some
momentum
behind
it,
but
it's
tough!
You
know
it's
just
it's
tough
people,
I'm
retired,
I'm
very
fortunate
to
have
retired
at
52..
B
You
know
you
all
have
you're
you're,
retired,
david
right
and-
and
so
you
know,
we
have
the
luxury
of
being
able
to
attend
meetings
at
9am.
I
set
meetings
all
week
anytime,
people
want
to
meet,
I
can
meet
so
I
have
that
luxury,
but
you
know
somebody
who's
younger
somebody
who
has
children,
somebody
who's
working
it.
You
know
caring
for
elderly
parents,
whatever
you've
got
going
on
in
your
life,
it's
it's
harder
to
dedicate
to
this
kind
of
work,
and
it's
for
like
minimal
pay.
You
know
they
can't
live
off
of
this
salary.
B
So
it's
you
know
they
either
have
to
be
retired
or
have
another
job,
and
that's
the
fact
and
that
limits
our
pool
and
you
have
to
be
able
to
attend
meetings
at
9
a.m,
on
a
tuesday
or
one
monday
or
whatever,
and
and
six
o'clock
you're
fighting
our
traffic
around
here,
it's
it's.
You
know
so
anyway.
There
I
think
I
think
you
maybe
will
offer
child
care
during
city
council
meetings
so
that
more
people
can
attending
and
get
involved.
A
A
Last
time
I
looked,
I
think
our
black
population
is
about
seven.
Does
that
sound
right
bill.
B
I
don't
think
prescriptive,
but
I
think
aware-
and
we
have
that
up
there
as
hey.
This
is
our
percentage
of
our
population
in
clearwater,
and
this
is
the
percentage
that
we
have
on
our
you
know
in
our
city
government
and
our
offices
and
our
leadership
whatever.
And
how
can
we
work
to
bring
those
closer
together?
B
A
Good,
let's
move
on
to
number
five:
what
should
city's
role
be
in
economic
development?
Does
it
contribute
to
live
work
play?
How
can
we
partner
with
other
government
entities
in
the
private
sector?
Do
you
believe
in
incentives
to
what
extent-
and
this
question
was
actually
after
number
six
before,
but
it's
been
changed,
so
that's
why
it
says
to
what
extent
again
roi's.
B
You
know
about
the
landings
and
jobs
tying
in
with
allowing
people
to
have
an
income
to
afford
homes,
and
I
think
about
imagine
clearwater
and
the
jobs
that
that's
supposed
to
bring
and
to
me
it
seems
like
their
service
jobs,
their
minimum
wage
jobs,
their
hotel
work,
restaurant
work
and
if,
if
we're
going
to
say
that's
an
economic
driver,
where
are
all
those
service
workers
going
to
live
because
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
afford
to
live
in
our
community
and
we
don't
have
enough
homes
for
them?
B
So
if
that's
an
economic
driver
who's
it
an
economic
driver
for
you
know
and
yeah,
I
think
our
responsibility
is
to
try
to
increase.
You
know
businesses
to
come
to
our
community
and
be
very
welcome
to
them.
We
have
a
lot
of
amenities
to
offer
businesses
and
I
would
be
open
to
incentives,
but
you
know
I
I
and,
and-
and
I
know
there's
you
know-
there's
some
discussion
about
average
salaries
and
what
an
average
salary
means
and
all
that.
D
Okay,
so
I
have
kind
of
a
10
000
foot
view
of
this
imagine
clear
waters.
D
I
mean
it's
not
the
it's,
not
the
people
that
are
going
to
work
in
the
park
that
are
going
to
be
the
economic
development.
The
economic
development
is
going
to
be
that
we
will
bring
people
down
we'll
bring
feet
on
the
street.
We'll
bring
people
down
through
our
downtown
it'll
make
the
downtown
more
of
a
vibrant
place,
which,
in
turn.
D
Makes
the
restaurants
and
the
merchants
downtown
have
more
business
when
they
have
more
business,
it
becomes
more
valuable.
The
property
becomes
more
valuable.
The
taxes
come
in
for
the
city
coffers
that
way,
and
when
you
have
a
an
urban
area
like
our
downtown
that
has
a
very
dense
core
of
businesses
and
people,
the
better
you
can
get
that
to
be
vibrant.
The
more
tax
base
that
will
generate
in
a
smaller
area.
D
If
we
could
get
the
downtown
really
hopping,
that
will
do
a
big
that'll,
really
become
a
an
economic
driver
for
the
city
for
the
entire
city,
because
the
money
that
we'll
get
in
for
taxes
on
the
properties
and
the
developments
that
go
in
there
right
now,
we
have
to
pay
people
to
come
downtown.
D
We
have
to
give
them
incentives
to
come
down
because
it's
risky.
The
market
has
told
us
that
over
and
over
for
years,
and
that's
why
we
have
economic
help
and
support
for
people
to
come
down.
You
want
to
come
down
and
have
a
restaurant
we'll
help
you
with
that
to
offset
the
risk
the
return
on
investment
that
we
get
is
hopefully
they'll
be
successful
and
the
more
success
generates
more
success.
You
know
you've
heard
about
if
you
could
get
an
anchor
down
here,
other
businesses
will
come
in
and
then
it
will
take
off.
D
A
lot
of
people
understand
the
economic
theory
behind
that.
But
that's
what
it
is
you
you
know
it's
not
just
one
or
two
businesses,
not
a
couple
of
restaurants.
It's
not
oh
gee!
We
got
one
more,
you
know,
clothing
store
downtown,
it's
it's
the
fusion
of
everything
happening
down
there
and
it
just
really
taking
off
and
that's
what
benefits
the
city.
That's.
D
D
D
You
want
to
bring
you
want
to
have
the
flow
of
money
in
clearwater,
but
you
also
want
to
have
the
new
money.
That's
why
the
beach
took
off,
and
it's
such
a
good
thing,
because
we
bring
outside
money
into
clearwater
and
by
that,
yes,
the
people
that
are
servicing
the
hotels
they're
getting
not
so
good
of
service
they're
getting
a
service
wage,
but
because
people
are
coming
down
and
they're
staying
on
the
beach
in
the
hotels
and
bringing
that
money
down.
D
D
A
D
Okay
in
in
areas
that
you
need
to
have
the
incentives,
I
think
you
need
to
have
support
for
those
in
our
like
our
downtown.
That
is
depressed
and
you
want
to
bring
people
in
and
give
them
get
that
spark
going
you're
not
doing
it
because
you're
just
trying
to
help
them
out
you're
you're
doing
it,
because
you're
offsetting
the
risk-
and
I
I'm
for
that.
I
mean
I've-
seen
it
work
over
the
years
that
we
haven't
taken
off
yet.
But
I
know
it's
it's
going
to
happen.
E
Well,
I
I've
made
the
example
before
I
think
economic
development's
an
unbelievably
important
function.
How
much
you
know
how
much
incentives
am
I
willing
to
give?
Well,
you
got
to
tell
me
where
the
money
is
and
how
much
it
is
where
it's
coming
from.
E
But
but
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
many
of
y'all
have
ever
been
to
atlanta
georgia,
but
they
built
a
place
called
atlantic
station
in
just
north
of
the
georgia
tech
campus,
but
it's
in
it's
in
the
old
atlantic,
railroad
yard
or
I'm
sorry,
atlantic
steel
yard
and
they
basically
created
its
own
little
downtown.
But
it's
got
some
anchor
stores.
E
You
know,
there's
a
dillard's
department
store
at
one
place,
but
then
there's
you
know
the
second
and
third
floor
and
most
of
the
buildings
are
office
and
then
the
third
floor
up
and
most
of
them
are
six
seven
stories,
third
floor
up
or
fourth
floor
up
or
residential
apartments.
Some
condos,
some
res
some
rental
unions,
and
it's
really
a
mixed
use,
live
work,
play
area
and
you
can't
get
in
it
anymore.
E
I
mean
it
is
fully
occupied,
it
is,
it
is
doing
extremely
well
and
it's
I
look
at
that,
and
I
say
whenever
I'm
in
atlanta
and
I
go
there.
E
I
look
at
that,
and
I
say
this
is
what
our
downtown
could
be,
but
what
it
takes
and
again
as
I've
said
it
before
it
takes
the
individual
property
owners
to
be
willing
to
invest
in
their
property
and
in
some
cases
that
means
scrape
clean
what
you've
got
and
build
new.
But
if
you're
willing
to
make
that
investment,
I
can
promise
you
the
return
on
that
investment.
Is
there,
but
we're
I'm
willing
to
help
incentivize
to
a
degree
some
of
that
investment.
E
E
C
C
And
as
far
as
partnering
with
the
government
entities
in
the
private
sector,
you
know
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
this.
I'm
I'm
learning
as
we
go
along.
A
Well,
we
do
have
a
county
economic
development
department
and
denise
works
with
them.
On
certain
things
I
mean
the
way.
We
only
have
certain
areas
where
we
can
really
give
direct
money
really
downtown
and
the
cra
is
one
of
them
outside
the
cra.
We
tend
to
give
incentives
through
greater
density,
intensity
and
land
use
type
things
in
certain
zones
like
on
the
us-19
corridor.
I
look
at
catalytic
projects.
A
Beachwalk
was
a
catalytic
project.
It
was
at
the
time
fairly
substantial.
It
was
expensive,
it
certainly
displaced
businesses
for
a
while
and
displaced
about
650
parking
spaces
that
people
had
become
accustomed
to
literally
parking
right
there
next
to
the
sand
and
going
out,
and
so
there
was
a
significant
gnashing
of
teeth
when
we
did
that
project.
A
Some
people
hated
it,
but
I
believe
that
it's
proven
that
it
was
a
great
catalyst
to
bring
in
new
caliber
hotels
that
we
had
not
had
previously
has
created.
A
wonderful
public
space
is
pictured
not
only
by
us,
the
city
but
by
another
number
of
other
organizations
and
tourist
magazines
and
everything
else,
and
I
think
other
cities
have
come
to
emulate
it
because
they've
seen
what
a
success
it
was.
So,
I
believe
in
catalytic
projects,
that's
where
I
think
the
city
should
be
investing.
A
Sometimes
the
rois
on
those
are
hard
to
calculate.
It
is
using
your
best
judgment.
I
believe,
incentives
in
some
instances.
I
like
to
measure
outcomes
when
possible,
and
I
think
we
ought
to
be
partnering
with
private
sector
and
other
government
entities.
Denise
do
you
have
anything
to
add,
because
I,
if
we
haven't
answered
questions
for
you,
I'd
like
I'd
like
you
to
pose
questions
that
you
don't
think
we've
given
some
guidance
on
for
staff
or
mr
horn.
I
G
I
A
couple
of
different
ways
to
look
at
economic
development
and
I've
heard
both
there's
the
mainstream
economic
development
which
we're
most
familiar
with
here,
as
it
relates
to
our
cra.
We've
got
a
funding
mechanism
in
the
cra
to
be
able
to
affect
some
of
those
outcomes
or
make
those
investments
that
hopefully
lead
to
additional
investment
I
prescribe
to,
and
my
role
is
generally
centered
around
economic
based
theory.
So
economic
based
theory
has
also
been
described
here,
where
it's
the
net
inflow
of
money.
Tourism
is
an
example.
I
So
main
street
gets
to
the
vitality
of
a
community,
it
generates
it's
about
place.
It's
about.
Creating
interest
can
be
catalytic
as
you
suggested
it.
My
focus
is
always
the
second
floor
on
up.
What's
putting
people
in
those
offices,
what
kinds
of
jobs
are
they
doing
and
we
partner
with
the
cra
to
help
hopefully
be
a
vibrant
ground
floor
destination,
because
all
of
that
will
drive
that
together?
So
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
set.
I
I
guess
my
question
is
when
you
think
of
economic
development,
are
you?
I
Are
you
centered
around
main
street
and
what
that
looks
like,
because
I've
heard
a
lot
about
downtown,
or
are
you
talking
about
the
second
floor
on
up
economic
based
theory
that
I've
described
and
it
could
be
a
mixture
of
both?
I
just
would
like
to
know
when
you
talk
about
economic
development.
What
do
you
mean
because
we
can
have
very
different
definitions.
A
I
think
we
focus
a
lot
on
the
main
street.
I
think
we
need
to
focus
on
the
latter
more
than
we
do.
We
do
live
play
really
well
in
clearwater.
We
don't
do
the
work
as
well.
I
think,
as
some
of
our
neighbors
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
rectify,
because
you
know,
if
you
talk
about
even
environmentalism,
it's
a
lot
better.
If
people
can
drive
a
mile
or
two
miles
to
work
rather
than
20
miles,
a
bike.
F
A
Or
bike
or
walk
you
know,
so
I
think
that's
an
area
that
we
have
somewhat
struggled
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
emphasized.
I
think
the
19
quarter
somewhat
addresses
that,
but
you
know
anytime,
you
make
a
change
like
that.
There's
a
period
of
break-in
people
aren't
aware
of
what
it
is.
A
They
may
have
to
see
an
example
of
one
successful
project
to
then
be
enticed
to
follow
along,
and
I
think
those
that
come
to
the
table
first
generally
should
get
more
of
an
incentive
and,
as
time
goes
by,
maybe
the
incentive
goes
away
altogether,
because
you've
proven
that
other
businesses,
other
entities
can
make
it.
But.
I
So
when
you
think
of
us
19
in
my
mind,
that's
the
greatest
economic
opportunity,
the
city
of
clearwater
has
in
terms
of
quality,
job
creation,
dynamic,
interesting
environments.
It
could
be
sort
of
another
new
downtown
if
you
will,
but
when
we're
talking
about
attracting
businesses
to
the
area
and
most
of
our
work
is
really.
I
We
have
a
business
retention
and
expansion
program,
helping
to
make
sure
that
those
economic
base
theory
businesses
are
comfortable
and
happy
here
and
have
the
resources
that
they
need,
but
we
also
have
a
a
pretty
good
and
now
growing
attracting
element
to
our
our
work,
and
we
know
that
ceos
are
looking
for
a
few
different
things.
One
sustainability
is
really
important
to
them
because
it's
important
to
their
employees.
I
think
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
talked
about
in
the
future.
I
How
do
we
incorporate
that
into
economic
development
but
secondly,
it's
about
place
and,
yes,
main
main
street?
Yes,
but
think
of
it
in
these
terms,
five
to
five
to
55
or
30
to
fly
and
that's
a
you
know
when
companies
are
looking
to
locate
in
an
area
what
is
access
to
them?
Is
it
five
minutes
to
a
55
mile,
an
hour
route
and
us
19
will
become
that
has
become
that
in
large
part
and
30
to
fly
us
19
is
proximate
to
both
airports
30
to
fly.
Those
are
huge
attractors
for
us.
I
If
we
can
capitalize
on
those
and
when
we
talk
about
incentives,
it
used
to
be
you
pay
for
jobs
right,
everybody
knew,
you
know
you
pay
for
performance,
you
pay
for
jobs
and
to
some
extent,
a
few
years
ago.
The
state
legislature
did
a
c
turn
on
that
and
said:
wait,
wait,
wait
it's
about
an
infrastructure
investment
because
then
you
hold
on
to
that
benefit.
I
happen
to
prescribe
to
that.
I
think
it's
a
much
smarter
play.
I
I
don't
like
paying
for
jobs,
it's
first
of
all,
it's
difficult
to
track
on
on
our
side
of
the
house,
but
investing
in
those
things
that
stay
with
the
asset,
regardless
of
what
happens
with
that
that
job
creator
over
time.
I
think
those
are
really
smart
moves
in
my
opinion.
So
if
we're
gonna
get
into
some
level
of
discussion
about
incentives,
I
would
love
it
to
be
built
around
that,
because
that's
something
I
can
work
with
and
I
can
compete
with.
B
Are
you
concerned
at
all
when
you
talk
about
the
mixed
use
buildings
and
we
have
retail
or
restaurant
on
the
ground
level
and
then
maybe
some
offices
and
then
maybe
housing
on
the
top?
Are
you
concerned
post
covered
with
offices
and
the
need
for
office,
buildings
and
people
actually
working
from
a
central
location.
I
Certainly,
there's
been
a
ton
of
discussion
about
that
and
I'm
not
sure
anybody
really
knows.
What's
going
to
go
on
at
first,
the
first
few
months,
everybody
said:
there's
never
going
to
be
anybody
coming
back
to
office
and
then
we're
seeing
some
interesting
things
occurring
there.
Certainly
people
can
relocate
and
I
was
just
on
a
webinar.
The
other
day
with
uli
in
pasco
county
is
seeing
a
huge
influx
of
people
from
the
northeast
who
still
work
in
the
northeast
but
are
buying
800
000
homes.
I
Thankfully
my
husband
gets
to
build
those
that's
good,
but
but
when
you
talk
about
office
and
demand
for
office,
we're
also
seeing
some
interesting
return.
People
are
craving
each
other
again,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
it's
gonna
land
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
think
it'll
be
give
us
a
year.
People
have
short-term
memories
quite
often,
and
so
there
may
be
this
renewed
interest
in
office.
I'm
not
sure
I
I
don't
have
a
crystal
ball.
A
It's
interesting:
we
have
an
office
that
is
two
floors.
The
10th
floor
is
all
working
from
home.
The
11th
floor
is
all
working
in
the
office
and
it's
strange
how
it's
broken
out
that
way,
but
those
of
us
on
11
think
it's
a
lot
more
productive
to
be
in
the
office
and
our
employees
are
expected
to
be
there
and
then
the
philosophy
downstairs
is
completely
different.
A
I
think
we're
finding
we're
much
more
social
animals
and
I
think
we
miss
being
with
people.
I've
also
started
to
talk
to
some
people.
That
said,
it
drove
them
crazy
to
work
from
home
because
they
never
got
away
from
it.
And
that's
what
I
subscribe
to
I
go
to
my
office.
I
do
what
I
need
to
do
and
when
I'm
done,
I
close
the
door
and
leave
it
behind,
but.
G
Horn
mayor
council
pam
and
I
had
a
partnership
almost
the
whole
time
that
I've
been
the
manager
them
has
been
here
before
me.
G
So
the
two
of
us
have
really
tried
to
give
michael
gina,
denise
amanda,
a
level
of
of
freedom
to
be
as
innovative
as
they
possibly
could
be,
but
pam-
and
I
are
your
gatekeepers.
G
Why
are
we
your
gatekeepers?
Because
we
never
want
to
bring
you
a
project,
certainly
one
that
has
incentives
where
your
response
would
be
to
us.
What
are
you
thinking
and
that's,
because
the
risk
profile
of
our
council
you
know
historically,
has
been
rather
conservative,
although
there
has
been
conversation
indicating
we're
willing
to
take
some
risk
when
we
actually
have
brought
a
project
to
present
to
you
sometimes-
and
I'm
not
talking
about
you,
I'm
just
saying
over
my
20
years.
Sometimes
we
have
gotten
just
the
opposite
response.
G
I
mean,
I
think
we
believe
that
we're
in
a
space
place
and
time
where
everybody
is
expecting
us
to
be
creative,
and
we
want
to
be
that
innovative
and
so
what's
what's
helpful
to
me,
is
at
least
to
hear
you
at
least
articulate
at
some
level
where
you
fit
in
that
risk
profile
realm.
Are
you
willing
to
take
some
risks
that,
historically,
you
probably
would
not
have
been
been
interested
in
doing
you've
kind
of
demonstrated
that
a
little
bit
already?
G
But
I
think
since
we're
talking
about
you,
know
partnering
with
the
private
sector,
and
all
of
you
are
familiar
with
how
the
private
sector
wants
government
to
take
increasing
levels
of
risk
as
opposed
to
them
and
so
we're
in
this
dilemma.
You
know
you
know:
do
we
do
we
take
more
risk
with
the
idea
in
mind
that
that
roi
is
going
to
be
out
there
somewhere.
A
A
A
We
bought
that
in
08,
one
of
the
worst
potential
times
to
do
anything
by
the
way.
That's
when
most
shrewd
investment
people
buy.
Things
is
when
everybody
else
is
hurting
and
we
bought
it
for
cheap
because
it
was
in
receivership
and
now
it's
become
a
catalyst
for
downtown
its
second
most
successful
theater
of
its
size
in
the
united
states.
A
I
asked
people
to
look
down
the
road,
5
10
15
20
years
from
now
and
see
what
our
investments
are
going
to
produce
for
making
clearwater
a
great
place
to
live,
work
play,
and
so,
if
the
circumstance
is
right,
I'm
willing
to
take
some
risk
and
to
make
an
investment.
We
can't
do
it
on
a
daily
basis.
We
don't
have
the
resources.
A
B
I
understand
the
you
know
that
you're,
economically
conservative,
I'm
economically
cautious
as
well.
I
mean
I
know
about
investment
we've,
you
know
managed
our
money
well
and
I
understand
you
buy
low
and
08.,
but
I
also
especially
spending
you
know.
It
isn't
just
my
personal
income.
This
is,
these
are
millions
and
millions
of
dollars,
the
city
and
the
residents
money.
You
know,
I
also
believe
in
the
value
of
experts,
and
so
when
we
have
extensive
studies
and
experts
come
back
with
recommendations.
B
I
feel
that
we
need
to
really
give
those
needed
weight
and
and
respect.
So
that's
you
know
and-
and
I
I
believe
in
looking
down
the
road-
and
you
know
when
you
say
when
you,
when
you
talked
about
the
capital
theater
or
that
you
know
some
said
it
was
crazy
or
inappropriate,
were
those
paid
experts.
That
said
it
was
crazy
or
inappropriate
or
just
you
know,
residents
or
different
people
in
the
community.
B
A
Some
people
thought
it
was
wonderful.
Some
people
thought
it
was
foolhardy
I
mean.
That
is
why
we
have
a
representative
democracy.
At
some
point.
We
have
to
make
decisions.
A
They're
educated
with
a
lot
of
backup
and
thought,
but
you're
still
making
a
decision,
and
you
know,
jack
welsh,
who
used
to
be
the
ceo
of
ge
when
it
was
kind
of
in
its
heyday,
used
to
always
question
as
managers.
If
you
aren't
failing
occasionally
and
I
and
in.
A
We
really
err
on
the
side
of
not
failing,
but
if
you
aren't
failing
occasionally
you're
not
taking
enough
chances
which
result
in
good
things.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
All
right,
we
will
reconvene
the
work
session.
We
are
on
item
seven.
The
beach
is
our
largest
economic
engine.
How
do
we
make
certain
that
we
preserve
the
quality
of
the
beach
under?
That
is
cleanliness,
infrastructure,
safety,
slash,
police
presence,
businesses
that
undermine
family
friendly
environment
well,
I'll.
E
Take
the
first
go
ahead:
you
jump
on
that.
Take
the
first
shot
on
this
one
bottom
line.
I
think
we
you've
hit
the
four
spots.
I
mean
you,
those
are
the
those
are
the
things
we
need
to
focus
on
as
long
as
it's
a
clean,
a
clean
destination,
the
infrastructure
is,
is
sufficient
to
supply
the
needs
of
of
everything
out
there
and
we
want
our
residents
and
our
visitors
to
feel
safe
and
we
can
have.
E
E
Although
given
what
happened
over
the
last
weekend,
I
think
a
lot
of
places
who
are
known
as
party
central
aren't
going
to
get
it
because
a
lot
of
colleges
are
deciding
not
to
do
spring
breaks
this
year.
So
that's
gonna.
That's
gonna
redefine
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
but
I
think
these
are
the
important
I
think
those
are.
Those
are
the
important
bullet
points
to
keep
clearwater
beach.
E
What
it
is
and
what
it
can
be-
and
the
second
question
is:
did
we
do
number
six.
A
No,
we
didn't
okay,
I
jumped
it.
Okay,
I'll
just
we'll
go
back
to.
A
D
You
know
I
thought
that
what
you
brought
to
council
about
a
month
ago,
with
your
pictures
of
beach,
walk
and
some
of
the
wear
and
tear
it's
getting.
We
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
that
and
make
sure
that
we
keep
things
up.
The
cleanliness
has
always
kind
of
been
a
problem.
I
think
we
do
a
good
job
on
the
beach
itself,
with
the
raking
and
keeping
things
up,
especially
during
red
tide.
D
You
know
the
I'm
looking
forward
to
see
those
underground
trash
receptacles
being
put
in
because
I
think
that'll
help,
especially
when
we
get
a
lot
of
people
out.
They
seem
to
really
get
the
trash
cans
full
quickly.
This
will
make
it
where
they
don't.
You
know
they
stores
under
the
ground.
Yeah
the
capacity
is
bigger.
So
that's
a
good
thing.
I
think
we
do
a
pretty
good
job
on
that,
but
we
do
have
some
concerns
on
some
of
the
businesses
on
the
family.
I
think
clearwater
has
always
been
a
family
beach.
B
B
One
of
the
ways
I
was
thinking
I
was
talking
to
one
of
the
homeowners
just
last
night,
but
that
ties
in
with
family
friendly
as
well
as
cleanliness
and
litter,
is
if
we
had
a
campaign
where
kids
designed
do
not
litter
signs
or
something,
and
you
know,
they'd
design
a
prototype
and
then
we
could
have
it
manufactured
and
have
them.
You
know
done
in
something
that's
sturdy,
but
but
something
that's
got
an
emotional
component
like
we
live
here
I
live
here.
Please
keep
my
home
cleaner.
You
know
something
like
that.
B
That
would
maybe
hit
people
emotionally
and
then
the
other
thing
about
the
beach
is,
you
know,
thinking
forward,
thinking,
realizing
that
sustainability
and
the
environment
are
big
concerns
for
people
who
come
here.
You
know
what,
if
we
pursued
having
our
beach,
be
the
first
who's
certified
ocean
friendly
or
something
like
that.
That
really
draws
national
attention
to
our
beach.
B
It
protects
what
we
value
most
our
whole
economic
driver
there,
and
I
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
opportunity
to
do
good
to
bring
attention,
and
it
would
also
you
know,
I
don't
know
spring
breakish
kids,
who
are
just
there
to
party
and
drink,
might
not
be
as
drawn
as
much
to
you
know
the
where
the
green
beach,
where
the
sustainable
beach
the
family-friendly
beach.
So
those
are
just
some
ideas
I
had
about
about
the
beach
but
consistent
complaints
about
trash
and-
and
it's
not
it's
just
you
know
it's
there.
C
Well,
all
four
points
are
important
and
I
don't
know
what
more
needs
to
be
said
about
that.
We
should
be
considering
much
of
this
throughout
the
entire
city,
but
you
know
especially
the
beach.
A
I
mean
I
hear
that
pretty
frequently,
and
so
one
of
the
ways
that
you
deal
with
that
is,
we
need
to
talk
about
why
the
beach
is
important
and
I
think
the
last
time
I
checked-
and
I
haven't
checked
it
recently,
but
back
in
the
day,
clearwater
beach
sand
key
represented
about
40
percent
of
our
tax
base,
which
is
enormous,
and
I
think
citizens
need
to
understand
that
the
hotels
and
restaurants
out
there
they're
not
homestead,
exempted
those
property
values
go
up
with
whatever
the
market
goes
up,
and
so
they
are
paying
a
lot
of
the
freight
which
is
healthy
in
many
ways
for
our
citizens,
because
they're
not
paying
for
it.
A
The
beach
is
paying
for
it.
But
what
I
want
to
make
certain
of
is
that
you
know
a
couple
things
that
we
don't
kill
the
goose
that
lays
the
gold
mag.
So
you
need
to
you
need
to
keep
the
quality
high
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
certain
that
people
feel
that
they're
safe,
and
that
means
a
police
presence
that
is
obvious
and
that
certain
behaviors
just
won't
be
tolerated,
and
we
have
had
issues
on
occasion.
A
I
think
we
have
dealt
with
them
well,
so
that
people
know
that
there
are
behaviors
that
are
unacceptable.
Fortunately,
we
don't
have
liquor
on
the
beach,
but
we
still
have
to
enforce
that.
A
I
am
disappointed
by
trash
that
I
see
and
it's
not
you
know
it's
people,
it's
obviously
some
of
our
residents
potentially,
but
it's
also
visitors
and
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
better
job,
and
I
would
welcome
something
along
the
lines
of
you
know
from
the
residents
of
clearwater
we're
happy
you're
here
we
hope
you'll
treat
our
beach
the
way
you
would
treat
your
home
or
something
along
those
lines.
I
I
want
people
to
take
ownership
it'll,
make
it
easier
on
our
staff,
but
it
will
also
create
a
much
better
environment.
A
F
G
That's
going
to
cost
more
money,
so
we'll
highlight
where
that's
going
to
occur,
and
if
you
don't
want
us
to
spend
the
money
to
do
that,
then
you
can
certainly
say:
don't
do
it.
Lastly,
business
that
undermine
family-friendly
environment.
G
I
believe
we
should
reclaim
that
title.
I
think
we
ought
to
re-evaluate
when
alcohol
is
allowed
sales
to
continue
it's
three
a.m.
I
think
we
ought
to
pull
it
back
to
one
a.m.
This
is
just
the
manager's
perspective,
so
I
don't
want
people
listening
to
this.
To
think
that
any
one
of
the
council
members
necessarily
supports
that,
and
I
am
sensitive
to
the
impact
on
business.
G
G
You
know
we
have
more
of
a
drive-in
clientele
than
tourists
from
outside
of
florida
outside
the
country
and
there
is
a
different
field
and
then-
and
as
the
mayor
pointed
out,
there
are
some
businesses
that
are
being
knuckled
in
quite
frankly,
I'm
just
using
that
phraseology
that
we're
not
happy
with.
So
maybe
that's
all.
I
want
to
share.
A
Anyone
want
to
comment
on
that.
I
have
asked
the
manager
to
have
an
item
on
the
agenda
about
parking
because
I
don't
know
if
how
much
the
citizens
realize,
where
a
lot
of
the
services
on
the
beach
come
from,
and
it
is
the
parking
fund
that
supports
keeping
the
beach
clean
and
raking
and
other
things,
and
so
I
think
they
think
that
it's
just
a
revenue
generator
and
it
is.
But
it
goes
to
very
specific
things
about
maintaining
the
quality
and
having
life
guards
and
things
along
those
lines.
So,
council
hamilton.
E
Well,
I
think
you
know
addressing-
or
you
know,
addressing
what
the
city
manager
said
about
closing
times
for
the
the
bars
you
make
decisions.
E
That's
our
decision.
We
could
be
open
later,
but
a
we
want
our.
We
want
our
employees
to
be
able
to
get
out
at
a
somewhat
reasonable
hour
number
one
number
two:
the
inherent
problems
that
come
with
11
to
1
o'clock
in
a
business
that
serves
alcohol
are
not
problems.
We
want
to
deal
with,
so
we
close
now
then
there's
businesses
that
stay
open,
but
from
one
to
three
and
the
inherent
problems
from
one
to
three.
E
Are
I
don't
want
to
over
exaggerate
it,
but
technically
exponentially
more
than
closing
at
one,
so
it
and
and
and
that
just
causes
problems
for
the
police
and
and
anybody
anybody
around
them.
So
you
know
being
a
if
we
are
going
to
be
a
family
friendly.
If
that's
what
we
want
our
reputation
to
remain,
we've
got
to
be
cognizant
of
that,
and
we've
got
to
be
willing
to
address
it,
but.
F
E
Know,
like
I
said
we
make
that
we
met,
we
could
make
more
money,
my
brothers
and
I
we
could
make
more
money
if
we
wanted
to
stay
open
until
one
o'clock
given
our
location
and-
and
you
know
the
number
of
people
that
enjoy
our
our
restaurant.
But
we
make
the
cognizant
we
we
make
the
choice
to
close,
because
we
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
problems
that
come
along
with
all
that.
E
D
Yeah,
I
think
this
year
has
been
different
than
any
year.
I
mean
you
know
we're
going
through
a
big
change
with
covet,
and
I
mean
the
emergency
order
and
restaurants
50
percent,
then
100
and
then
bars
not
open,
then
bars
open
we're
not
in
a
normal
situation.
So
I
would,
I
know,
we're
having
problems,
and
I
know
that
the
clientele
as
the
city
manager
said,
is
changing.
D
D
A
lot
of
them
live
on
clearwater,
beach
or
renting
out
there
and
they
go
home.
They
don't
go
right
to
bed,
so
they're
they're
getting
home
at
three
and
they
they
might
stay
up
another
hour
and
party
a
little
bit
before
they
go
to
bed
and
it
just
disturbs
the
residents.
So
I
think
that
that's
something
that
could
probably
come
back
to
us.
We
can
consider
you
know
when
things
get
back
to
normal.
A
Okay,
we'll
go
back
to
six.
Thank
you.
Councilmember
hamilton
just
wrap
me
up
side
the
head.
When
I
missed
something
we
got
this
right
here
so.
A
D
Yeah
I've
had
this
discussion
with
assistant
city
manager
dell
regarding
take,
for
instance,
a
library,
any
public
facilities.
D
When
we
put
money
into
them,
we
we
really
don't
expect
an
roi
on
a
public
facility,
but
I
certainly
want
to
make
sure
it's
in
the
benefit
of
the
residents
of
clearwater
and
how
much
of
a
benefit
and
for
how
long,
but
to
go
further
down
the
list
here
you
got.
Let
me
just
read
the
list
you
got
to
how
how
long
should?
What
is
your
philosophy
on
projects?
We
expect
the
positive
roi
and
how
long
should
payback
take.
D
D
I
was
thinking
more
of
the
cra
kind
of
incentives,
not
the
city
incentives
and
I'm
glad
some
somebody
brought
up
the
us-19
corridor,
because
that's
really
our
economic
that
will
really
bring
in
a
good
economic
value
to
our
community,
but
the
role
of
greenprint
and
what
should
that
play
in
projects?
I
think
that
every
project
should
have
be
guided
by
green
print,
not
necessarily
for
a.
D
You
know
a
certified
program,
but
we
should
strive
to
make
sure
that
everything
has
some
kind
of
a
value
that
that
we're
putting
on
it
as
far
as
keeping
it
green.
I
was
a
contractor
for
a
long
time
and
I
know
that
we
started
getting
into
whenever
we
did
remodeling
or
construction
projects.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
incorporated
green
into
it.
Didn't
have
to
be
a
certified
platinum
or
gold,
but
we
strive
to
the
best.
We
can
you
know.
So
we
get
a
return
later
in
years.
D
It
would
pay
for
itself
what
would
justify
a
long
payback
or
no
payback.
I
think
something
I
think
everything
has
a
payback
that
we're
going
to
invest.
In
I
mean
if
it's
a
like
beach,
walk,
you're,
saying
you're
not
going
to
get
a
payback
exactly
with
the
money
you
put
in
beach
walk,
but
you
do
get
it
in
the
long
run
with
the
amount
of
development
that
comes
in
that
is
attracted
by
it.
D
So
you
know,
I
think,
if
we're,
if
we're,
if
we're
giving
something
and
we're
contributing
something
to
a
project,
that
there
should
be
we're,
giving
something
to
get
some
kind
of
a
payback,
whether
it's
in
return
in
money
directly
from
that
project
or
it's
it's
something
in
return
that
will
benefit
the
community.
A
Let
me
put
a
little
context
into
this,
because
I
kind
of
go
back
to
when
we
started
to
think
about
green
print
and
also
when
we
were
going
through
the
0809
recession,
and
we
were
looking
at
all
of
our
buildings
and
trying
to
figure
out
ways
to
reduce
costs.
A
And
so
we
had
consultants
come
in
and
they
looked
at
all
the
buildings
from
putting
motion
detectors
in
so
that
we
weren't
lighting
rooms
that
didn't
have
occupants
to
controlling
the
thermostats,
because
some
people
want
it
really
cold
and
so
in
the
middle
of
summer
they
returned
it
down
to
72.
A
F
A
Some
buildings,
or
just
a
myriad
of
things
that
we
were
looking
at,
but
what
we
had
to
determine
was
how
many
years
was
it
going
to
be
for
us
to
recoup
the
investment
that
we
were
going
to
make
because
you
were
putting
new
switches
and
thermostats
and
all
sorts
of
things
and
we
kind
of
determined,
I
think
it
was
about
six
years-
was
kind
of
payback
that
we
wanted
to
see.
Some
things
might
have
taken
10
12
15
years.
Some
things
only
took
two
or
three
years,
but
we
finally
determined
six
years.
A
This
question
is
leading:
is
there
a
specific
time
frame
that
you
want
your
return
or
are
there
projects
that
you're
buying
into
a
philosophy
that
this
is
good
for
our
community
and
so
we're
going
to
do
it,
regardless
of
whether
it
takes
20
years
or
30
years,
or
you
never
get
a
full
return
on
your
money?
We're
going
to
do
it
because
that's
important
to
us
that's.
E
Okay,
well,
I
guess
I'll
take
I'll,
try
and
take
a
shot
at
this,
so
get
comfortable
in
your
seats.
E
So
to
me,
the
roi,
I'm
not
looking
at
recouping
or
60
million
dollars
in
in
two
years
or
anything
of
that
nature,
but
it
is
it's
there.
What
role
should
green
pimp
agree
print
play
in
projects?
I
think
it
should
play
a
role
in
every
project,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
can
make
sure
you
know
not.
Every
project
is
going
to
meet
green
print
to
the
letter
and
we
should
be
able
and
I'm
sure
we
will
be
able
to
quantify
and
qualify
why
it
does
not
in
certain
areas.
E
E
Phillies
we're
looking
at
the
original
number
was
80
80
million
dollars.
That
number
is
probably
going
to
come
down.
I
would
be
surprised
if
it
doesn't
in
the
overall
number
now
the
city's
portion
of
it
was.
E
A
E
Saying
is
using
the
county's
own
numbers,
the
county
says
the
phillies
have
an
economic
impact
in
our
city
of
60
million
dollars
annually
we
use
the
multiplier,
which
I
think
is
more
realistic
and
it's
closer
to
100
million
annual
impact,
because
the
visitor
from
the
delaware
valley,
philly
fan,
is
here
spending
money
in
in
their
hotel
rooms
or
their
apartments,
and
you
know
wherever
in
their
their
lodging,
and
then
they
go
out
to
dinner.
They're
spending
money
in
the
restaurant
they're
tipping
the
weight,
the
the
server
and
the
bartenders.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
I
have
no
that
that's
not
our,
because
none
of
our
money
goes
to
pay
those
employees
so,
but
our
investment
is
to
keep
that
annual
economic
engine
here
in
clearwater.
So
the
return
on
that,
while
it
doesn't
cover
it
in
the
first
year,
but
our
annual
the
the
economic
impact.
This
is
something
that
gives
an
automatic
instant
return.
E
So
you
know
I
like
that
kind
of
return,
but
I
I
do
you
know
I
look
at
every
project.
As
how
long
does
the
you
know?
What
is
the
projected
return
and
how
long
is
it
going
to
over
how
many
years
and
things
of
that
nature,
but,
like
I
said
when
the
phillies,
the
roi,
there
is
almost
immediate,
so
council.
C
Well,
I
don't
know
what
the
magic
equation
is,
for
you
know,
what's
the
proper
number
of
years
we
should
expect,
but
I
I
do
think
we
should
update
our
green
green
print
plan
and
put
that
into
action
in
pretty
much
everything
that's
constructed.
I
think
that
is
going
to
save
money
all
the
way
down
the
lane.
So
that's
a
worthwhile
investment
as
far
as
foregoing
return
on
investment.
Well,
you
know
we
have
things
like
our
libraries,
where
we
don't
expect
a
financial
return,
but
it
it
enhances
the
entire
city.
A
B
There
are
things
other
than
just
financial
returns,
there's
quality
of
life
return
and-
and
things
like
that,
so
you
know,
but
generally
I'm
sure
we
talk
about
financial
returns
on
investment,
so
we
had
green
print
that
you
know
you
talked
about
the
0809
recession,
you
were
looking
at
buildings
and
how
to
save
money
and-
and
I
would
certainly
advocate
for
updating,
green
print
and
adhering
you
know,
setting
measurable
goals
and
adhering
to
green
print,
and
I
think
these
actions
need
to
be
taken
now,
whether
we
see
any
type
of
return
on
investment,
it
might
be
for
your
grandchildren's
future
and
and
the
fact
that
climate
change
is
real.
B
B
Beach
might
not
be
underwater
during
our
lifetime,
but
it
certainly
is
projected
to
be
under
our
grandchildren's
lifetime,
and
so
when
we
make
investments
in
green
print
recommendations
now
it
is
for
future
generations,
and
so
I
certainly
advocate
for
that
and
I
buy
into
a
philosophy
of
science
and
expert
opinions,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
return
on
investment
with
imagine
clearwater
or
whatever
else
I
put
weight
in
experts
that
guide
us
on
how
big
should
it
be?
What
what's
the
economic
driver
all
that
business?
B
So
you
know
that's
that's
important
to
me
and
then
you
know
I
and
I
know
we
have
the
phillies
later
and
and-
and
I
understand
a
historical
perspective
with
the
phillies
and
tradition-
and
that's
that's
all
great,
but
I've
also
done
some
research
and
it
is
a
little
bit
difficult
to
quantify
the
exact
economic
impact
that
they
make
because
of
where
we
are.
I
mean
we,
we
live
in
the
most
beautiful
place
in
pinellas,
county
and
during
spring
break.
Would
people
be
filling
those
hotel
rooms
in
those
restaurants?
B
B
B
So
is
that
does
that
offer
enough
on
return
on
investment,
tangible
versus
intangible?
I
am
for
incentives.
I
don't
know
if
I
have
a
finite
line
like,
I
think
we
need
to
have
five
year
return
on
investments
or
something
like
that.
I
think
it
depends
on
the
project.
I
don't
know
enough
to
speak
about
a
you
know,
parameters
of.
What's
what's
reasonable,
you
know
if
we're
talking
about
energy
and
solar
and
clean
energy
investments,
those
returns
on
investments
are
consistently
coming
down
and
it's
shortening,
and
so
you
know
that's
that's
good.
A
Now
other
comments
or
questions,
mr
horn,
anything
you
want
to
add
nope
yeah.
I
just
want
to
narrow
things
so
that
we
do
have
some
parameters,
because
I
I
think
it's
easier
on
staff
to
use
a
filter
to
understand
projects
that
they
may
want
to
bring
to
us
versus
ones
that
they
wouldn't
because
they
fall
way
outside
the
parameters
of
what
we
think
is
realistic.
That's
why
I
think
putting
numbers
on
things
helps
that
does
not
mean
that
you
know.
A
And
also
if
we
have
a
philosophy
where
there
are
certain
things
that
you
just
roi
doesn't
matter,
I
kind
of
want
to
know
that
I
mean
for
the
record,
I
believe
in
global
warming,
and
I
believe
I've
always
believed
that
we
ought
to
take
care
of
our
environment.
A
A
G
A
Of
my
philosophy,
I
want
to
be
careful
about
the
way
we
do
it
and
understand
that
there
is
an
roi
on
things
and
we
try
to
capture
the
low
hanging
fruit.
I
mean
another
thing
we
did
back
in
you
know:
oh
809
was
we
converted
most
of
the
fleet,
which
were
diesel
trucks,
and
you
know
I
know
not.
Everyone
loves
natural
gas,
but
it
was
a
much
cleaner
alternative
than
diesel
and
that's
when
we
made
the
investment
in
the
net
compressed
natural
gas
plant,
because
we
thought
that
that
was
going
to
be
a
benefit.
B
The
phrase
that
clearwater
can't
solve
global
global
warming
itself
and
not
wanting
to
spend
money
unless
other
areas
are
spending
or
other
communities
I
mean.
Can
you
explain
that
I
mean
what
what
does
that
mean?
Do
we
need
a
full
united
states
commitment?
Do
we
need
commitments
from
cities
in
the
county?
I
mean.
A
A
Know
well,
but
I
mean
we
brought
up
the
bathrooms
at
the
marina
recently
yeah.
I
said
before
when
we
were
going
to
redo
the
roof
at
ruth
eckerd
hall.
We
approached
duke.
Actually,
I
asked
us
to
approach
duke
and
see
if
they
would
put
solar
panels
on
the
roof,
because
it
is
an
enormous
roof
out
there
and
they
declined
because
they
said
it
was
not
large
enough
to
get
the
right
roi.
A
So
when
mr
baker
came
to
us
and
asked
if
we
wanted
to
buy
into
that
solar
project
which
would
be
done
in
a
rural
area
in
a
solar
field,
what
it
comes
down
to
is
there's
economies
of
scale
there,
and
so
I
would
rather
be
involved
in
something
like
that,
where
we're
getting
economies
of
scale
that
do
an
offset
for
the
city
of
clearwater,
rather
than
doing
one-offs
on
different
buildings,.
A
A
Economies
of
scale
specifically
and
do
an
offset
for
the
city
rather
than,
and
what
I
want
is
an
expert
to
come
in
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about.
B
That's
fair,
but
I
would
say
too
that
there
is
a
return
on
investment
when
you
do
it
on
little
buildings.
So
when
people
go
down
to
the
seminal
boat
ramp
and
see
solar
on
on
the
bathroom
they're,
like
oh
wow,
the
city's,
you
know
moving
forward,
they've
got
solar,
they're
saving
me
tax
money,
because
my
money
is
paying
to
light
that
bathroom
or
whatever.
I
think
anytime.
B
You
have
an
opportunity
to
if,
if
the
building
is
in
the
right
position
for
solar
and
you
can
reduce
your
electric
consumption
and
therefore
your
carbon
emissions,
let's
do
it
if
it's
a
three-year
roi
on
those
little
solar
panels
on
the
on
the
bathrooms.
Why
wouldn't
I
want
to
save
money?
If
I've
got
a
little
bit
of
money
now
to
put
up
front
to
put
on
that
bathroom
yeah,
it's
a
no-brainer.
A
I'm
more
apt
to
go
for
five
to
seven.
If
it's
20
yeah,
it's
not
going
to
be
20.
Well,
that's
not
what
I'm
hearing
from
some
people
yeah
and
then
let's
talk
about
experts,
I
want
to
also
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
what
goes
into
the
panels
and
then
what
happens
to
them
once
they're
discarded,
because
my
understanding
is
there's
rare
earth
and
there's
other
issues
see.
A
I
think
it's
easy
to
throw
out
stats
that
are
very
enticing,
but
I
want
to
go
a
little
bit
deeper
than
just
a
stat
and
just
as
we
were
talking
about
natural
gas
after
the
at
the
end
of
the
council
meeting.
A
You
know
it's
fun
to
put
on
the
front
of
your
license
plate
that
this
is
a
zero
emission
car
and
again,
I'm
not
talking
to
you,
but
other
people
who
have
electricity
in
their
house.
That
is
being
powered
by
duke
and
say
my
car
is
zero
emission.
A
A
B
E
You
know
global
warming,
sea
level
rise.
These
are
all
things
we
need
to
pay
attention
to,
no
doubt,
but
I
and
but
even
if,
if
we,
you
know
and
I'm
not
talking
clear
water,
I'm
not
talking
florida,
I'm
not
talking
united.
If
the
united
states,
you
know
address
this
to
the
nth
degree,
if
the
rest
of
the
world
isn't
buying
into
the
program.
E
How
much
progress
are
we
making?
You
know
a
lot
of
the
global
warming
issues
and
and,
and
you
know,
sea
level
rise.
You
know
you
look
at
india,
you
look
at
china,
you
know
they're
polluting
our
waters
and
doing
things
to
a
much
higher
degree
than
what
we
are
we've.
You
know
the
united
states
has
been
somewhat
at
least
aware
of
it.
We
may
not
taking
all
the
steps
that
everybody
wants
them
to
take,
but
we've
been
aware
of
it
for
a
much
longer
time
and
and
made
some
effort,
so
I
mean
it's.
E
This
is
something
that,
and
I
think
I
I
understand
what
the
mayor's
saying
when
he
says
you
know.
Clearwater
is
not
going
to
solve
this
problem,
and-
and-
and
I
don't
disagree
with
that-
but
it
is
you
know
we
have
to
be
cognizant
of
it.
We
can
do
what
we
can.
We
can
do
the
things
we
can
do
to
address
it,
but
the
problem
is
much
larger
than
clearwater.
D
Long
as
you
guys
were
on
council,
the
bathroom
came
to
us
at
the
old
council
and
it
was
like
1.5
million
for
a
bathroom
and
we're
like
no
we're
not
going
to
pay
that.
So
we
had
them
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
to
reduce
the
cost
of
it.
So
I'm
sure
I
mean
it
didn't
reduce
it
by
much,
but
we
still
had
to
put.
E
Well,
that
was
still
got
that
that's
government
regulation
that
cost
that's
because
it's
so
close
to
water.
Well,
but
I
mean,
but
I
mean
a
bathroom
at
water
level.
You
know
to
me
it's
a
bathroom
if
a
storm's
going
to
ruin
it
I'd
rather
rebuild
it,
but
instead
we
got
to
elevate
it
and
we
got
to
make
an
ada
accessible.
So
you're
going
to
put
a
you,
got
to
put
an
elevator
or
some
sort
of
mechanism
to
get.
E
A
A
We
slated
for
three
hours.
Would
you
like
to
continue
on?
I
would,
or
do
you
just
want
to
schedule
another.
F
A
E
B
A
Yeah
we
can
kick
off
the
next
segment
with
your
favorite
topic.
H
A
A
H
A
I
mean,
I
think
some
of
the
topics
are
very
difficult.
You
know
what
are
the
appropriate
levels
of
service?
You
know
when
you
get
to
those.
It
may
not
be
terrible
to
have
the
directors
for
those
departments
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
they
determine
you
know
I
mean,
like
our
fire
departments,
we've
determined
how
many
we
need
it's
really
its
radius.
A
Denise
was
here:
I
understand
that
whenever
all
of
our
staff
is
here,
they're
not
doing
what
they're
tasked
with,
but
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
have
some
of
those
slaughter
ellers.
B
What
about
you
know
would
could
we
have
a
presentation
about
an
inventory
of
our
underutilized
or
or
vacant
spaces
in
our
city
buildings
and
what
are
the
carrot
and
stick
options
for
getting
development
into
those
already
paved
over
spaces?
G
H
We
do
have
you
had
asked
for
us
to
bring
back
some
information
to
you
from
cra
that
addresses
the
legal
issues
and
we
will
have
that
at
the
next
cra
meeting.
Okay,
but
that
does
not
address
the
vacancy
issue
and
I
don't
think
you
guys
are
going
to
be
thrilled
with
how
little
tools
you
have
to
force
people
to
use
their
property,
which
is
what
I
hear
you
saying
or
encourage
not
force.
Well,
there
is
a.
There
is
a
difference.
A
Yeah
I
mean
that
is
one
of
the
topics
on
just
private
property
rights,
which
I
think
is
something
that
a
lot
of
people
you
know,
don't
completely
understand.
That's
one
of
our
future
topics
in
here.
B
B
Yep,
no,
not
city
yeah,
I
mean
that's
easy
enough,
yeah,
but
but
but
an
inventory
of
surplus
underutilized.
A
So
I
think
we
want
to
have
the
conversation
first
about
what's
in
your
toolbox,
yeah
before
you
consider
what
it
would
cost
to
look
at
the
entire
city
and
what
is
vacant
and
underutilized,
because
you're
you're
talking
about
enormous,
it's,
not
something.
Our
staff
could
probably
do
you're
talking
about
probably
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
do
that.
Study,
yeah
and.
I
B
B
I
H
A
Okay,
anything
else
for
the
good
of
the
order,
all
right.
I
think
this
was
a
good
session.
I
hope
everybody
got
something
out
of
it.
I
hope
staff
got
something
out
of
it.
So
we'll
reconvene
in
a
couple
weeks
and
we'll
see
you
all
on
monday,
if
not
sooner
we're.