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A
work
session,
so
there
will
not
be
public
comment,
but
citizens
are
certainly
welcome
to
show
up
this
thursday
at
6
pm
and
make
comment
at
this
time
about
the
work
session,
because
none
of
the
items
will
be
on
the
agenda
so
good
morning.
Everybody
long
time,
no
see
we're
we're
gonna.
Kick
it
right
off.
C
B
E
Mayor
I'll
start
it
off.
We,
this
meeting
is
scheduled
for
three
hours.
We
don't
necessarily
think
it
will
take
three
hours,
but
that
will
be
a
function
of
your
robust
discussion.
The
first
item
is
develop
framework
for
issuance
of
an
rfp
and
future
referendum
before
I
turn
it
over
to
mr
delk.
I
had
talked
to
him
earlier
this
morning
and
would
like
for
him
to
kind
of
highlight
what
we
hope
to
gain
as
as
outcomes
for
this
meeting.
Mr
bell,.
F
Yes,
thank
you
bill
michael
delka
assistant
city
manager.
Well,
I've
been
looking
forward
to
this
meeting.
Actually,
I
I
will
say,
as
you
probably
know,
I
am
generally
not
inclined
towards
real
open-ended
discussions.
F
I
like
to
be
able
to
provide
you
with
some
framework
for
something
for
you
to
begin
discussing
and
kind
of
getting
your
arms
around
this
one
will
be
a
little
more
of
an
open-ended
discussion
I
think
than
than
I
might
tend
to
want
to
normally
do,
but
on
the
other
hand,
I
think
if
we
can
focus
on
kind
of
the
big
questions
at
hand
we
can,
as
bill
suggested,
handle
this
this
business
in
a
sooner
rather
than
than
later.
I
think
we've
got
some
exciting
opportunities.
F
What
I
would
like
to
get
from
you
ideally,
would
be
a
general
sense
of
comfort
with
the
direction
that
we
decide
to
go
on
the
rfp
so
that
we
can
commence
that
process
and
with
regard
to
the
conservancy
we'd
like
to
get
from
you
a
broad
kind
of
consensus,
if
you
will
about
the
framework
and
the
the
mission
of
a
conservancy
with
both
of
these
items,
the
rfp
and
the
conservancy,
we
we
don't
want
to
get
too
far
into
the
what
ifs
and
the
weeds.
F
We
will
go
back
and
prepare
a
much
more
complete
road
map
for
you
based
on
the
outcome
of
this
discussion.
F
But
today
we
need
some
basic
direction
from
you
on
the
rfp,
some
basic
direction
from
you
on
how
we
want
to
approach
the
conservancy
issue,
and
then
we
will
be
well
prepared.
Then
I
think
to
bring
you
back
in
the
form
of
a
specific
set
of
recommendations
or
even
a
white
paper
in
terms
of
the
conservancy
about
recommendations
on
how
to
move
forward
based
on
your
direction.
F
So
with
that,
let
me
let
me
pull
up
an
item
here
to
share.
F
Do
we
have
the
the
slide
up.
C
F
This
has
been
a
long
and
ongoing
discussion
with
regard
to
the
rfp
pam,
and
I
have
had
more
debates
about
this
than
you
can
imagine
rather
spirited.
We
both
have
strong
opinions
about
this
going
back
for
some
time
and
the
you
know,
the
issue
for
us
is
to
the
conduct
to
the
referendum.
F
Obviously,
as
you're
aware,
the
bluff
properties,
with
the
exception
of
the
peer
street,
the
old
cma
site,
both
require
referendums,
support
from
our
public
in
order
to
to
move
those
those
bluff
properties
forward
in
terms
of
their
activation
role
to
the
park
and
their
economic
development
role
for
downtown
and
there's
two
basic
ways
that
you
can
approach.
That
one
is
that
we
conduct
a
a
referendum
prior
to
the
rfp
process.
In
other
words,
we
we
asked
the
public
for
a
general
authority
based
on
some.
F
I
definable
parameters
for
one
or
more
of
those
properties
that
we
can
construct
in
a
72
word
limit
that
provides
the
public
a
reassurance
that,
upon
that
basis,
we
get
their
approval.
We
go
out
and
issue
an
rfp
force
and
development
partner
or
partners,
you
know,
and
frankly,
mine
and
staff.
F
I
think
I
can
speak
for
the
cra
director
as
well
for
the
longest
time,
and
I
and
I
think,
even
to
until
today,
we
still
think
there
is
a
there's
some
advantages
in
order
to
try
to
get
the
public
to
support
the
general
activation
of
the
bluffs
so
that
when
we
go
out
to
an
rfp
and
we
throw
the
development
opportunities
out
there
and
market
them
that
within
defined
limits
of
sort,
we
can
then
seek
proposals
from
development
partners
who
would
have
the
benefit
of
knowing
that
the
the
general
basic
parameters
of
development
approval
are
in
place.
F
We
don't
have
to
go
back
to
the
public
for
a
referendum
with
them.
I
think
you
know
we
looked
at
that
as
a
way
to
kind
of
move
things
forward.
At
the
time
we
seemed
to
have
a
pretty
good
track
record
of
having
support
from
the
community
it
just
you
know
to
me.
I
was
very
strongly
in
favor
of
that
process.
That
option.
F
I
think
the
other
option
is,
and
it's
one
that
I
completely
understand
as
well,
and
that
is
that
we
we
do
an
rfp.
First,
we
seek
development
proposals
for
one
or
more
of
the
bluff
properties
from
what
may
be
one
or
more
development
partners
could
be
a
master
developer.
It
could
be
developers
who
have
a
particular
eye
on
one
particular
property
and
a
vision
for
that
property
that
they
want
to
focus
on.
F
All
of
that
would
be
presumably
okay
unless
you
dictate
otherwise,
and
then
once
we
have
negotiated
with
those
development
partners
who
responded
to
the
rfp
that
we
generate,
then
one
or
more
referendum
questions
out
of
that
process
that
we
can
present
to
the
public
with
a
very
well-defined
set
of
development
parameters.
F
So
the
public
clearly
knows
that
if
they,
if
they
support
the
referendum,
here's
what
they're
getting
or
vice
versa.
If
they
don't
support
the
referendum,
then
we're
you
know
we're
back
to
the
the
the
table
in
terms
of
negotiating
for
the
bluff
properties
and
development
proposals.
F
I
think
it's
fair
to
tell
you
right
now.
The
track
that
we're
on
is-
as
I
I
think
I
mentioned
to
you
in
the
last
meeting
or
two
ago,
that
we
develop
an
rfp.
F
My
thought
is
that
if
we
continue
on
this
track,
I
would
try
to
get
an
rfp
out
the
door
before
the
end
of
the
year,
until
not
waiting
until
next
year
to
see
if
we
could
get.
B
F
That
referendum
point
sooner
rather
than
later
in
2021,
and
that
we
would
you
know
we
would
do
what
I
described
before
and
and
the
second
option
was
select
one
or
more
proposals
and
generate
a
referendum
question
around
or
questions
around
those
proposals,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
at
the
moment.
I'm
still
somewhat
conflicted
with
that.
Honestly,
although
I
think
that,
given
where
we
are,
I
may
tend
towards
this
option
now,
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
F
Primarily
one
is
that
I
think
we've
we've
had
some
some
changes
in
our
decision-making
process.
We've
kind
of
reported,
prioritized
kind
of
the
focus
of
the
park,
we've
kind
of
replanned
the
park
a
little
bit
we've.
F
You
know,
we've,
I
think,
probably
taken
a
little
more
time
than
any
of
us
might
have
liked
to
be
a
little
farther
down
the
road,
although
when
I
say
that
I
think
that
things
are
really
coming
together
for
us
right
now
in
a
pretty,
you
know
positive
way,
given
that
we
will
be
have
an
rfp
on
the
street
during
the
middle
of
substantial
construction
and
moving
forward.
F
So
I
think,
there's
a
good
level
of
confidence
there
on
the
both
the
part
of
our
community,
our
residents,
who
would
be
voting
to
support
us
in
the
activation
of
the
bluff
in
the
park
as
well
as
folks
who
would
respond
to
an
rfp
who
can
see.
Clearly,
our
level
of
commitment
is
substantial
and
is
unwavering
in
terms
of
moving
forward
with
the
the
redevelopment
of
the
city's
waterfront.
So
I
think
those
are
all
very
positives
right
now
for
the
rfp.
F
So
that's
kind
of
the
track
that
we're
on
at
the
moment-
and
I
think
we
can
you
know
we
can
make
the
most
of
it
you
know.
Ideally,
would
I
like
to
have
the
referendum
out
of
the
way
when
we
go
to
negotiation
with
the
some
partners?
I
think
that
would
be
in
a
perfect
world
that
would
be
ideal
to
not
have
that
out
there,
but
it's
an
issue
that
I
think
we
can
work
through
and
it's
a
it's
a
direction
that
I
want
to.
F
You
know
I
want
to
be
certain
about
from
your
standpoint
when
we're
done.
So
let
me
just
quickly
go
through
here
in
terms
of
marketing,
these
bluff
properties
and
getting
them
out
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
by
numerous
departments
behind
these.
So
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
a
lot
of
the
detail
about
that.
I
will
tell
you
that
the
marketing
of
these
bluff
properties
is
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
to
put
clearwater
out
there
and
our
extraordinary
waterfront
out
there
to
the
public
in
the
broadest
terms.
F
I
just
think
that
and
staff
if
I've
talked
to
them
there
are
some
very
exciting
ideas
about
how
to
market
and
and
promote
these
bluff
properties.
But
let's
start
with
the
the
northern
property
parcel
one,
the
harvard
harborview
in
a
general
sense,
I
would
define
that
as
a
as
a
mixed
use
is
what
we're
looking
for
residential
over
retail,
based
on
kind
of
where
I
think
we
are
overnight.
F
Accommodation
would
be
a
viable
alternative,
although
I
would
say
that
I
would
you
know,
I
would
recommend
that
we
continue
to
prioritize
residential
over
retail.
If
we
can
attract
it.
We
want
sit
down
restaurants.
We
want
the
kind
of
activation
of
the
public
space
in
the
bluff.
For
that
first
floor.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
critical
to
this
we're
going
to
want
a
respondent
to
to
incorporate
this
into
their
proposal.
F
A
little
change
here
in
item
four.
We
want
the
mass
and
scale
sensitive
to
the
library
in
design
and
height,
but
I
will,
I
will
tell
you
that
I'm
intentionally
suggesting
that
we
allow
a
little
more
latitude
with
regard
to
the
the
height
of
the
the
development
there
adjacent
to
the
library.
Simply
because
you
know
much
of
what
was
in
the
original
plan,
or
at
least
you
know,
there
have
been
some
substantial
changes
in
it.
I'm
not
sure
we
need
that
constraint.
F
That
gives
a
little
more
flexibility
and
some
some
development
potential
there
that
we
we
wouldn't
have.
Otherwise.
I
think
that
may
be
worth
worth
considering
good
design,
I
think,
can
mitigate
concerns
and
issues
from
the
public
about
that.
C
C
Why
does
the
mass
and
scale
at
harborview
matter
more
to
the
library
than
the
potential
development
opportunities
to
the
east?
C
C
F
Sure
I
think
there
are,
there
are
two
things
primarily
I
would
say
about
that.
One
is
that
the
sensitivity
to
the
library
probably
has
more
to
do
with
the
sensitivity
to
the
park,
not
overwhelming
that
area
of
the
park
by
such
mass
and
scale
that
it
kind
of
loses
context.
We
want
an
active
edge
to
the
park,
but
we
don't
want
to
necessarily.
F
Overwhelm
the
park
from
the
standpoint
in
this
particular
area:
this
is
our
grand
plaza
area.
It's
very
open
public
space.
We
want
it
to
be
very
active
space
and
the
second
part
of
that
is
that
we
don't
want
it
necessarily
to
create
that
kind
of
a
wall
that
mitigates
the
opportunity
on
the
east
side
of
osceola.
F
So
if
you,
if
you
have
a
more
modest,
sensitive
mass
and
scale
of
the
building
or
the
development
next
to
the
library
it
one,
it
doesn't
overwhelm
the
park
or
the
library
for
that
matter,
two,
it
doesn't
substantially
constrain
the
development
potential,
the
property
on
the
east
side
of
osceola
so
to
to
overlook
the
park.
You
know
more
mid-rise
scale
is
probably
appropriate
to
that
context,
and
that's
that's
my
would
be
my
answer
to
that.
C
F
C
C
F
F
Right
public-private
partnership,
the
harborview
site,
I
think,
offers
some
public-private
partnership
opportunity.
I
think
you
know
the
most
obvious
thing
would
be
parking.
I
would
say
that,
probably
given
the
a
desire,
if
we're,
if
we're
in
agreement
on
that
to
kind
of
limit
the
mass
and
scale,
then
we're
certainly
not
going
to
solve
any
broad
downtown
parking
issues
with
this
site,
but
we
certainly
could
incorporate
some
public
parking
in
there.
That
would
be
advantage
to
the
library
in
the
park,
although
it
might
be
in
a
limited
number.
F
A
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
You
know
this.
This
particular
site
I've,
given
a
lot
of
thought
about
what
can
go
there.
I
know
we've
had
you
know,
people
that
have
weighed
in
and
said
the
marketplace
isn't
going
to
support
this
or
that.
A
We
aren't
going
to
be
selling
any
property
in
this
area,
so
lease
seems
to
be
the
only
way
that
we're
going
to
have
something
come
there,
so
that
leaves
condominiums
pretty
much
out
so
we're
looking
at
either
a
hotel
mixed
use.
Restaurants,
maybe
some
apartments
or
something
over
it.
But
I
don't
know
I
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
second-guess
the
marketplace.
A
I
don't
want
to
say:
let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
put
a
hotel
there
and
then
not
get
any
response
for
a
hotel,
so
the
rfei
that
went
out
was
interesting
because
you
know
we
pretty
much
got
a
couple
of
ideas
that
could
go
there,
but
until
we
get
to
an
rfp.
A
Going
to
know
for
sure
so
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment
before
we
moved
on.
C
G
Do
the
more
or
whatever
I
don't
have
a
question
right
now,
but
I
do
agree
with
you
know.
If
I
I
don't
know,
if
we're
going
to
go
through
the
whole
presentation
of
each
of
these
properties
and
then
engage
in
conversation
but
or
if
we're
going
to
do
it
per
property,
but
I
agree
with
council
member
albritton,
I
don't
see
us
selling
the
two
properties
that
are,
you
know
available.
Yeah.
C
F
Yeah
mayor
my
my
original
approach
was
going
to
be
go
to
go
through
each
one
and
then
as
council
acquired
or
wanted
to
ask
questions,
then
we
would
go
back
and
and
respond
to
each
individually
as
you
choose,
but
I
can
do
it
either
way
that
you
like.
F
All
right
I'll,
this
will
I'll
try.
F
Incentives
are
available
here,
so
let's
go
to
parcel.
2
is
the
city
hall
site.
I
think
again,
we
would
be.
We
would
welcome
residential
or
mixed
use
residential
over
parking.
B
F
Here
I
think
condominium
development
might
make
a
little
more
sense
than
it
would
over
the
harbor
view
site
frankly
and-
and
a
lot
of
that
is
for
activation
reasons-
condominiums
tend
to
not
necessarily
have
the
occupancy
levels
365
that
we
might
like
to
see
in
in
an
active
edge
to
the
park.
I
think
that's
less
less
critical
here
certainly
be
a
good
thing
if
it
happens,
but
I
would
say
it's
somewhat
less
critical
overnight.
Accommodation
once
again
would
be
an
alternative,
given
the
market
conditions.
F
One
is
that
we
still
have
interest
from
a
major
museum,
which
is
an
option
here
for
this,
as
a
component
of
mixed
use
for
the
city
hall,
including
some
new
expansion,
we've
had
some
conversations
with
respondents
to
the
rfei
who,
particularly
like
the
concept
of
a
mixed-use
development
and
a
civic
component
as
an
anchor
to
this,
I
think
a
civic
component
to
the
anchor
the
south
end
of
the
park
is
a
is
a
could
be
a
very
good
thing,
as
well
as
really
putting
positioning
our
downtown
to
be
a
major
player
in
in
the
the
art
museum
in
a
way
that
has
not
previously
been
done-
and
I
know
we're
starting
to
have
some
success
with
that.
F
In
many
respects,
this
would
really
kind
of
anchor
that
if,
if
something
like
that
should
work
out
again,
mass
and
scale
here
is
completely
flexible
to
market
conditions.
There
is
no
height
limit.
F
I
think
it's
less
of
an
issue
here
in
terms
of
park
activation,
although
I
will
tell
you
that
if,
if
a
major
museum
could
be
a
component
of
a
mixed
use
in
this
location,
you
would
almost
kind
of
back
into
a
an
ideal
development
scenario
with
a
limited
scale.
F
Civic
component
anchoring
the
south
end
of
the
park
mixed
use,
residential
the
way
that
could
lay
out
from
a
site
planning
standpoint
is
really
an
attractive
opportunity,
and
I
think
that
if
we
afforded
ourselves
the
opportunity
to
to
market
this
property
with
that
kind
of
potential,
there's
a
good
possibility
that
some
some
some
folks
might
be
really
excited
about.
Responding
to
that
and
and
giving
us
a
proposal
on
it.
F
I'm
sort
of
I'm
really
kind
of
quite
optimistic
about
that,
but
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
moment.
Public-Private
partnership
certainly
parking
here.
I
think,
because
of
the
scale
and
and
size
of
the
property
we
could
again
maybe
not
satisfy
the
parking
demand
for
all
of
downtown,
that
we
want
to
look
at
long
term.
F
But
clearly
there
is
an
opportunity
here,
for
I
think,
a
more
substantial
public-private
partnership
in
terms
of
the
provision
of
parking
to
accommodate
both
a
museum
or
a
civic
component
anchoring
the
south
end
of
the
park
provide
some
additional
parking
for
that
and
the
park
itself,
as
well
as
the
pedestal,
would
contain
the
parking,
obviously
for
the
residential
or
hotel
use,
above
that
we
also.
F
The
advantage
of
that
is
that
one
of
the
downsides
of
this
property
from
either
a
hotel
or
residential
use,
whether
it's
apartment,
rental
or
condo,
is
that
the
bridge
in
that
area
there
is
a
substantial,
including
the
city
hall.
Building,
is
a
substantial
block
on
the
view,
but
once
you
get
the
development
above
a
parking
pedestal
on
top
of
the
parking
structure
parking,
you
are
well
above
both
the
the
the
museum
or
the
the
civic
component.
F
I
should
say,
as
well
as
the
bridge
bridge
obstruction,
so
it
really
changes
the
the
complexion,
the
desirability
of
that
that
parcel
for
for
a
residential
use.
The
option
here
could
be
long
term
lease
or
sale
depending
upon
the
development
proposal.
F
F
F
The
mass
and
scale
of
the
property
development
here
is
flexible
to
market
public-private
partnership,
opportunity
of
course,
parking
again
long-term
lease
or
sale
incentives
available.
As
with
the
other
properties.
This.
F
I'm
throwing
out
there
for
your
consideration
that
really
this
a
land
assembly
or
swap
option
for
this
property
is
something
that
we
might
consider
depending
upon
in
terms
of
a
swap
where
we
might
be
able
to
obtain
additional
properties.
If
you
know,
if
for
some
some
way
that
we
were
able
to
find
properties
along
osceola,
maybe
up
towards
the
north
end
that
we
could
tie
together
with
some
additional
development
potential,
you
know
I
would.
I
would
not
want
to
discourage
you
as
a
body
from
considering
those
options.
F
If,
if
something
can
work
out,
this
property
from
an
economic
development
standpoint
to
us
is
probably
the
least
important
of
the
the
three
bluff
primary
bluff
properties
and
with
this
property,
a
referendum
is
not
required
under
most
circumstances.
There
are
and
pam
could
answer
those
questions.
If
you
have
later,
I
think
if
we,
if
we
try
to
sell
it
for
less
than
the
appraised
value
that
requires
a
referendum
but
generally
for
arm's
length
transactions
at
appraised
value.
The
referendum
for
this
property
is
not
required.
F
So
with
that
mayor
kind
of
concludes-
and
my
point
of
that
is
that
if
we
were
to
market
it
today,
this
is
generally
the
scenario
that
I
how
I
would
use
to
describe
these
three
part
properties
as
development
potential
and
rfp.
So
we
await
your
input
and
direction.
C
All
right,
thank
you
michael.
I
normally
don't
do
this,
but
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
just
a
couple
comments.
Could
we
switch
back
to
the
participant
screen
for
the
time
being
sure
which
which
screen
mayor
the
participants?
If
you
take
your
presentation
down,
I
think.
C
Has
does
everyone
have
a
copy
of
the
presentation
in
front
of
them
without
having
it
up
on
the
screen?
Yes,
okay,
I
mean
going
back
to
the
referendum,
questions
and
and
whatnot
I
mean
this.
This
is
a
philosophical
discussion
to
an
extent
in
that
first,
I've
all.
I
want
to
understand
better
what
citizens
want
out
of
the
properties.
C
C
C
Look
back
at
history
in
the
city
and
referendums
back
to
2000
and
the
2004
and
2006
and
2012
2015
and
17
referendums.
I
think
that's
kind
of
proven
out
the
referendums
that
have
passed
other
than
2000
were
well
fleshed
out
plans
that
the
citizens
understood
exactly
what
they
were
getting
into
now.
C
I
have
to
admit:
I've
not
always
understood
that,
because
I
talk
to
a
lot
of
citizens
who
say
downtown,
we
should
just
leave
it
not
spend
any
more
time
money
or
effort
on
it
because
of
scientology
and
yet
at
the
same
time,
you'll
talk
to
him
and
you
talk
to
him
about
those
properties
and
they
still
want
to
hold
on
to
things
and
have
they
hold
them
dear
to
their
heart.
C
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
paradox
there
and
that
some
of
them
want
to
just
jettison
downtown
and
at
the
same
time
they
don't
want
to
allow
us
to
do
some
of
the
things
that
actually
may
change
the
balance
of
power
down
there.
But
I
do
think
we
have
to
rely
on
the
private
sector
to
kind
of
dictate
somewhat
what
is
economically
feasible
to
do.
C
I
mean
I
know
what
I
would
like,
for
instance,
at
the
harbor
view
center.
I
would
like
a
one
to
two
story:
restaurant
complex
with
a
lot
of
alfresco
dining.
I
don't
know
that
somebody
is
going
to
come
in
and
pay
for
that
without
having
something
on
top
of
it.
That
is
more
of
an
economic
driver
for
them
to
pay
for
what
is
below.
C
I
think
the
other
thing
we
need
to
talk
about
is
leasing
versus
selling.
I
am
very
much
attached
to
the
harborview
site.
I
would
not
be
interested
in
selling
that
I
am
a
little
more
receptive
to
the
city
hall
site
being
potentially
sold,
because,
of
course
you
cannot
do
condominiums.
C
If
you
don't
sell
the
property,
you
could
do
apartments,
you
could
do
hotels,
you
could
do
other
mixed
use
if
you
give
a
long
enough
term
that
the
developer
can
get
a
return
on
their
investment,
but
you
can't
do
condos
as
far
as
the
cma
site
goes,
I'm
even
less
attached,
although
I
do
want
to
ask
the
council
if
they
would
ever
be
interested
in
moving
west
pierce
street
to
north
of
the
cma
property,
I
mean
to
south
of
the
cma
property
and
combining
the
cma
property
and
the
city
hall
property
to
give
a
larger
parcel.
C
So
you
would
actually
have
to
enter
a
southbound
osceola
and
then
take
a
right
onto
pierce
that
would
run
down
to
pierce
100
and
still
give
them
access.
And
now
you
could
combine
the
two
properties.
I
think
that
makes
it
even
more
enticing
to
have
a
unified
property.
It's
a
little
out
of
the
box
thinking,
but
I
just
want
everybody
just
kind
of
consider
that,
but
let's
go
back
to
the
harborview
property
first
and
talk
about
what
everyone's
vision
for
that
is,
lease
versus
sale,
height,
intensity,.
H
Okay,
well,
first
off,
let's,
let's
check
off
lease
versus
sale.
Sale
is
not
an
option
on
this
site.
To
me
it's
just
not
I
I
don't
think
the
voters
will
will
would
ever
approve
that
and
I
think
it'd
be
just
a
futile
exercise
to
even
attempt
it
as
far
as
what's
on
it.
H
Obviously
I
have
you
know,
I
don't
disagree
with
what
you
said
mayor.
You
know
some
alfresco
type,
dining,
what
not
something
of
that
nature
going
to
be
a
great
place
to
sit
and
see
the
sunset
at
night
for
people
that
are
downtown
and
what's
on
top
of
it,
but
I'm
not
a
I'm
much
more
interested
in
getting
an
rfp
onto
the
street
to
see
what
people
who
do
this
for
a
living
and
what
developers
really
would
envision
for
this,
because
they're
much
more
in
tune
with
that
type
of
thing.
H
So
I'm
really
interested
in
seeing
what
the
what
the
professional
professionals
think
of
this
site-
height
wise.
You
know,
I
understand
the
concern
about
not
being
too
tall.
I
don't
disagree
with
that,
but
you
know
I.
I
definitely
think
it
needs
to
be
a
mixed
use.
It
can't
be
just
one
one
single
use
like
nothing,
but
apartments
or
nothing,
but
you
know
something
else.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
a
mixed
use
and
I
don't
I
don't
get,
and
this
goes
for
almost
all
the
properties.
H
To
the
imagine
clearwater
in
osceola,
you
know
you
gotta
get
people
out
of
this
small
town,
clearwater
thinking
into
more
of
a
an
urban
urban
type
thinking,
but
I
don't
think
that's
too
far
to
walk
when
we
get
it.
Finally,
when
when
we
get
to
that
point,
so.
C
So
when
you
talk
height
intensity
density
and
we're
not
voting
today,
but
I
am
trying
to
build,
I
see
him
shaking
her
head,
but
I
am
trying
to
kind
of
get.
Some
very
specific
direction
are.
H
More
mid
mid-range
mid-rise,
probably
you
know
in
in
the
height
height
of
the
library.
Maybe
you
know
maybe
a
little
bit
taller,
but
not
a
lot,
and
I
also
you
know
for
for
the
public
knowledge.
H
I
think
people
need
that
when
we
talk
about
harborview
site,
we're
not
talking
about
building
all
the
way
up
to
cleveland
street,
we're
talking
about
more
of
what
is
it
might
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
michael,
but
we're
talking
more
of
what
is
the
surface
parking
lot
right
now
and
maybe
just
a
little
bit
of
what
is
grass
right
now
the
rest
of
it's
going
to
be.
H
Michael,
I
think,
but
I
think
we
still.
I
think
we've
still
got
that
grand
entrance
down
where
cleveland
street
is
and
the
the
they're.
F
There's
a
a
grand
plaza
entrance
that
is,
is
100
intact
in
terms
of
the
the
design
final
design
of
the
park.
The
mayor
is
correct
that
development
we
would
want
the
development
outside
of
that
plaza
area
to
come
out
to
osceola.
F
We
want
an
urban
development
pattern
and
I
think
that
your
general
comments
about
mid-rise
and
that
sort
of
thing
is
probably
you
know,
frankly,
is
exactly
where
I
think
we
ought
to
be
in
terms
of
mass
and
scale,
and
I
think
with
that
latitude
you
know
architecturally
you
could
we
could
deliver
a
very
nice
design.
C
H
H
I
I
submitted
at
one
point
that
that
what
is
the
surface
parking
today
could
be
that
same
surface
parking,
but
it
could
be
two
to
three
levels
high,
but
you
start
at
osceola
level
and
dig
down
to,
but
because
of
the
27
foot
basically
and
have
it
release
out
into
the
park
at
the
bottom
level.
But
you
know
that
could
have
been
parking,
but
we're
talking
about
building
a
garage
over
here.
I
think
it
needs.
H
I
C
F
I
haven't
seen
the
new
numbers,
we're
enlarging
the
parking
to
the
south,
but
the
parking
lot,
but
I
think
the
original
plan
of
the
park
had
somewhere
around
250
spaces
for
the
daily
use
of
the
park.
But
I
we
are
expanding
that
in
the
final
design,
but
I
don't
have
the
number
for
you.
Okay,
thanks.
A
Harborview
I'm
talking
about
specifically
and
I've
already
kind
of
said,
my
thinking
on
that,
but
it's
based
on.
As
you
said,
history
of
referendums
downtown-
and
I
can.
I
know
that
if
you
want
a
successful
referendum,
we're
going
to
have
to
lease
that
property
nobody's
going
to
go
for
a
sale
on
the
west
side
of
osceola
in
that
particular
spot.
So
I'm
good
with
the
mid-rise
height,
I'm
good,
with
a
mixed
use,
I'm
getting
good
with
a
parking
component.
A
A
G
Can
I
just
get
a
quick
definition,
because
people
use
this
phrase,
a
boutique
hotel?
What
what?
What
do
we
mean
when
we're
talking
about
a
boutique
hotel.
H
G
H
H
Normally,
a
boutique
hotel
will
generate
a
higher
daily
rate.
Yes,
okay,.
B
A
So
let
me
chime
in
to
make
it
clear
what
I'm
thinking
I
said,
boutique
hotel,
because
you
got
to
think
of
what's
going
in
the
park
right
behind
this
thing
is
going
to
be.
A
You
know,
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
music
and
a
lot
of
events,
so
you
need
to
have
something
that
people
you
know
and
that's
gonna
draw
people
from
out
of
the
area
and
these
people
will
come
in
and
they'll
pay
a
higher
price
to
come,
see
whatever
group
or
whatever
orchestra
is
there
they'd
stay
in
the
hotel
and
they
know
that
when
they
you
know
a
good
example
is
memphis.
I
stayed
in
a
hotel
there
right
across
from
the
it
was
the
guitar
factory
there
and
they
had.
A
It
was
a
music
hotel.
I
mean
you
know
hard.
Rock
is
another
example
of
that.
So
that
kind
of
thing,
knowing
what
kind
of
component
is
going
to
be
in
the
park,
I
think,
will
be
successful.
But
again
we
have
to
see
what
the
marketplace
will
designate
there.
G
Okay,
so
definitely
not
a
family
of
four.
You
know
rambunctious,
kids
and
and
people
staying
there,
it's
gonna
be
higher
end.
I
I
thought,
that's
what
you
know,
what
we
kind
of
meant
for
the
harborview
site.
I
I
agree
that
you
know
it
should
be
mid-rise
whatever
we
do.
There
not
overwhelm
the
park
and
entrance.
That's.
You
know
with
mr
delk
mentioning
that
that
this
was
the
entrance
into
the
park
and
we
don't
want
to
be
overshadowed
by
some
great
big
from
ocean's
11
gaudy
monstrosity.
G
I
like
the
idea
of
mixed
use.
You
know
with
two
levels
of
dining
or
retail.
That's
that's
attractive.
I
think
you
know
and
again
I
think
of
all
the
conversations
I've
had
with
residents.
I
would
you
know
one
thing
that
I
I'm
cautious
about
is:
whenever
we
take
those
prime
locations
or
views
that
we
make,
we
make
every
effort
in
in
most
places
to
make
them
accessible
to
the
public
to
our
residents.
G
So
if
there's
a
great
big
deck,
dining
area
that
that
can
be
open
for
people
to
you
know,
wander
around
and
sit
as
they
choose
and
that
you
don't
have
to
be
paying
200
a
plate
to
have
access
to
a
a
particular
view.
You
know
for
everything
I
I
do.
I
think
a
hotel
would
be
better
than
apartments.
G
I
get
concerned
about
high-end
apartments
and
condos
having
people
in
them
only
short
periods
of
time,
not
year-round,
and
I
and
I
would
think
a
hotel
on
that
site
might
bring
more
movement
and
more
foot
traffic
downtown.
G
C
I
C
Yeah
and
then
mid-rise
with
mixed
use.
Michael,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
condominium
versus
apartments
hotel?
I
mean
generally
apartments
people
are
living
in
365
days
a
year
versus
a
condo
which
we
all
know.
We
have
seasonal
residents
on
the
beach
and
in
our
downtown
that
they
escaped
the
heat.
F
Yes,
mayor,
I
think
that's
a
very
important
point
here
is
terms
of
the
really.
This
is
a
matter
of
forest.
I
think
from
an
economic
development
standpoint
and
a
our
ability
to
attract
our
community
back
into
the
park
is
that
if
you
give
an
active
edge
to
the
park,
and
by
that
I
mean
really
kind
of
like
eyes
on
the
park
eyes
on
the
sidewalk
eyes
on
the
street.
You
know
those
are
the
kind
of
public
spaces
that
we
all
generally
tend
to
be
attracted
to.
F
If
you
think
about
where
we
like
to
go,
hang
out
in
cities
that
we
visit,
that's
a
very
key
component
of
the
most
the
most
exciting
or
productive
public
space.
F
So
I
think,
in
that
regard,
condominiums
at
this
site
would
be
not
as
nearly
as
good
to
for
us
as
either
hotel
or
apartments.
I
think
ideally,
apartment
living
here
could
be
a
good
option,
as
you
suggested
it's
more
365.
F
I
think
a
hotel
as
a
secondary
would
also
deliver
a
365
kind
of
eyes
on
the
park
and
it
might
be
more
compatible.
Frankly,
with
councilman
or
the
vice
mayor
said,
you
know
having
an
amphitheater
behind
that
may
be,
you
know
from
if
we
actually
get
to
60
70
shows
a
year.
You
know
a
hotel
might
be
more
compatible
with
use,
so
I
this
is
definitely
a
site
where
I
would
gravitate
towards
apartments
or
hotel
property.
F
C
C
G
I
was
going
to
say
you
know
we
if
we're
talking
about
you
know
and
again.
This
is
so
preliminary,
but
condos
versus
a
hotel
or
apartments
versus
the
hotel
there.
G
I'm
I'm
thinking
that
the
apartments
that
we
have
east
on
cleveland
have
not
brought
a
whole
bunch
of
foot
traffic
or
life
to
our
downtown
area,
and
and
I'm
thinking
that
if
we
had
a
hotel
there
with,
you
know
out
of
towners
that
come
and
want
to
walk
and
explore
more.
I
think
that
might
be
a
better
bet
for
getting
more
foot
traffic
and
people
out
and
about
in
our
downtown,
because
I
just
don't
see
that
those
apartments
on
the
eastern
end
of
of
cleveland
have
contributed
much.
H
I
I
to
agree,
I
think
I
think
hotel
tourist
accommodations
on
that
on
that
site
are
probably
more
conducive
than
residential
units,
but
that's
something
I
would
be
very
interested
in
now.
If
that's
what
the
professionals
agree
with,
we
won't
know
until
we
put
the
rfp
out
there,
but
I
I
think
I
think
that
location
is
more
much
more
conducive
to
a
hotel
than
well.
H
I
can't
say
that
the
city
hall
site
which
we'll
get
to
in
a
minute,
isn't
conducive
to
a
hotel,
but
I
think
it's
much
more
conducive
to
residential
than
the
harborview
site.
So
you
know
I
would
I
would
like
I
would
lean
towards
hotel
boutique
type
hotel
on
that
site
as
part
of
a
mixed
use.
H
I
think
that
in
my
eyes
and
in
my
vision
from
people,
I've
talked
to,
I
think,
that's
probably
the
right
use
of
that
property
assuming
and
and
and
I'm
not
not
assuming,
but
anticipating
a
referendum
being
able
to
pass
on
that
property,
which
is
still
gonna,
be
a
very
big
uphill
fight.
C
It
is,
I
think
people
do
need
to
understand
that
this
is
one
of
the
ways
that
we
will
help
pay
for
an
offset.
Imagine
clearwater.
I
can't
emphasize
that
enough.
That's
a
message
that
we
need
to
start
spreading
today,
but
and
that
takes
more
of
the
pressure
off
our
tax
rolls
and
puts
it
on
to
a
private
developer
council.
G
B
G
I
think
you
know
I
don't
want
to
beat
this
to
death,
but
I
do
remember
being
in
the
meeting
on
the
opportunity
zone
over
a
year
ago-
and
I
forget
the
date
but
but
part
of
that
presentation
was
that
four
millionaires
that
want
to
take
advantage
of
the
opportunity
zone
tax
benefits
that
a
hotel
would
be
particularly
attractive
to
them.
That
was
part
of
that
presentation,
but
you
know
for
your
last
comment.
I
would
say
you
know
I.
G
I
agree
that
we
need
to
let
voters
know
that
part
of
paying
for
imagine
clearwater
is
developing
this
bluff,
but
I
can
hear
residents
say
well.
You
went
ahead
and
okayed
this
big
spending
of
the
park
and
now
you're
pressuring
me
to
vote
on
on
this
to
help
pay
for
it,
and
you
know
they
people
people,
don't
appreciate
that
kind
of
pressure.
C
F
Yeah,
I
I
wanted
two
things
mayor.
One
is
that,
unless
somebody
wants
to
exclude
one
of
these
two
options,
residential
or
hotel,
I
think
we've
got
good
direction
for
bringing
you
back
a
proposal
for
the
harborview
site.
But
the
second
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
not
only
is
it
an
economic
benefit
to
us
to
in
terms
of
help
paying
for
the
park,
but
it
is
a.
It
is
a
benefit
to
us
community
wise
to
have
an
active
edge
to
the
park.
Public
space
is
better
because
you
have
eyes
on
the
park.
F
You
have
people
living
there.
You
have
that
kind
of
activity.
It
becomes
the
backyard
to
our
downtown
residents
that
even
more
than
the
economic
direct
economic
benefit
of
selling
or
leasing
the
property
having
activated
public
space
along
our
waterfront
is
to
everybody's
benefit,
and
I
I
want
to
emphasize
that
that
you
know.
Certainly
there
will
be
profit
in
it.
There
will
be
there'll
have
to
be,
or
we
won't
be
successful,
but
the
ultimate
prize
is
activating
our
waterfront
park.
F
Sure
I'll
I
I
think
this
is
a
an
important
one
here,
because
of
the
the
expression
of
interest
that
we've
had
for
a
museum
civic
anchor
to
this
property.
F
I
think
that
the
opportunity
here,
if
we
were
to
consider
it,
affords
a
great
opportunity
for
private
sector
partnerships
both
from
the
museum,
civic
piece
and
the
development
opportunity
that
that
presents
and
how
that
can,
support
and
benefit
the
private
sector
development,
then
of
the
the
balance
of
the
city
hall
site.
F
I
think
the
way
that
could
be
structured
could
also
have
some
public
benefit
to
us
in
that
we
could
retain
ownership
of
the
city
hall
and
the
civic
museum
site.
Even
if
we
wanted
to
parcel
off
and
sell
the
development
site
which
would
be
on
the
what
is
today
the
parking
lots
in
that
area
to
the
east
out
to
osceola
that
could
end
up
being
sold.
So
it
really
opens
up
the
the
potential
for
condominium
development.
F
I
think
this
is
an
extraordinary
opportunity
for
us
it's.
It
won't
be
easy,
but
I
think
that
if
we
are
able
to
market
this
opportunity,
I
think
that
we
will
find
there
may
be
some
developers
out
there
who
are
very
attracted
to
this
kind
of
a
mixed-use
development
potential.
F
And
I
think
the
public
benefit
having
a
really
putting
a
stake
in
the
ground
for
clearwater
in
terms
of
a
museum
and
civic
component
here
is,
is
an
opportunity.
I
think
we
should
seriously
consider
so.
The
long-term
lease
could
be
the
museum,
the
civic
component
or
just
outright
city
control
of
that.
Certainly,
I
would
not
necessarily
be
no
need
to
give
that
up.
F
We
could
sell
property
for
development
potential
and
yet
bring
the
two
together
in
a
rather
extraordinary
public-private
partnership
that
would
benefit
the
city,
the
park
and
the
museum
component.
So
I
think
there's
some
really
nice
options
with
the
city
hall
property.
It's
large.
It
lays
out
really
well-
and
I
would
be
very
excited
to
to
have
this
out
on
the
market
with
the
potential
that
we
have
available
and
do
you
have
a.
F
F
I
think
there's
some
some
serious
opportunity
there
for
us
that
we
could
at
least
consider
and
if
it
gets,
gets
laid
so
to
speak,
if
it
if
it
starts
to
gel
at
all,
then
I
think
the
opportunity
is
is
pretty
substantial
and
if
it
doesn't
we'll
be
right
where
we
are
today
with
regard
to
the
development
potential
of
the
the
city
hall
site.
So
I
can't
see
much
of
a
downside.
F
Yes,
that
would
be
it
would
not
look
anything
at
all
like
it
looks
now.
The
bones
of
that
are
probably
very
good
in
some
respects
as
a
museum
piece,
but
what
would
come
along
with
that?
It's
not
very
big,
so
I
think
that
development
scenario
would
probably
end
up
with
a
more
modern
museum
wing
along
the
north
side
and
again
you
know
I've
seen
some
renderings
of
that
we've
had
it.
F
You
know
kind
of
mapped
out
as
to
how
development
might
fit
there,
including
a
museum
piece,
and
it
lays
out
really
well.
F
Well,
it
would
be
retrofitted
to
be
a
museum
residential
development.
Mixed
use,
active
edge
of
the
park.
Civic
component.
I
mean
that
you
know
that
to
me
reads
like
a
win-win-win,
so
I
don't.
You
know
having
a
city
hall,
building
that
closes
up
at
five
o'clock
and
is
dark
for
the
rest
of
the
time.
Is
you
know
I
mean
this?
This
is
this:
is
public
space
in
a
museum
could
be
365
days
a
year
unless
it's
closed
for
christmas
and
new
year's.
C
E
There
I
just
wanted
to
say-
and
I
know
the
mayor
and
hamilton
remember
this,
but
the
city
has
always
been
criticized
from
a
developmental
point
of
view
of
having
city
hall.
You
know
on
a
bluff
site
and-
and
so
I
think,
I
think,
moving
off
that
site
and
making
that
site
available
for
some
level
of
redevelopment
is
what's
kind
of
been
the
the
dream
for
over
20
years,
that
why
would
you
occupy
that
site
with
a
city
hall
when
you
could
have
something
on
it?
That
is
that
achieve
your
development
goal.
E
So
mayor
good,
great
question,
but
that's
kind
of
always
been
a
criticism
and-
and
I
think
we
avoid
that
criticism
going
into
the
future
by
making
that
site
available.
C
B
C
Respects
it
was
and
would
have
taken
significant
money
to
fix
it
up
and
bring
it
back
to
a
usable
condition,
but
then,
if
it
can
be,
you
know
repurposed
as
a
museum.
I
think
it
puts
a
question
mark
in
certain
people's
minds,
so
council.
H
All
right:
well,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
come
in
from
a
different
angle.
Right
from
the
beginning,
the
old
city
hall,
building,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that,
building
that
a
bunch
of
dynamite
can't
fix,
because
I
I'm
sorry
but
but
that
I'm
looking,
I'm
looking
at
scraping
that
site
that
lot
level
for
a
redevelopment
opportunity
now
for
missouri.
H
H
H
The
higher
you
get
the
better.
The
view
is
going
to
get,
but
you
know
as
far
as
sale
or
lease
of
this
property
I'm
open
to
either
one.
I
think
the
voters
are
probably
going
to
be
again
hesitant
to
sell,
but
if
we
can
get
a
long-term
lease
and
you
get
we're
not
going
to
get
condos
there,
but
you
can
get
good
quality
apartments
in
that
location.
H
That
would
be
very
appealing
to
the
rental
apartment
market,
which
is
a
growing
market
right
now
I
don't
see
an,
I
don't
see
a
negative
there
with
all
the
other
mixed
uses,
but,
like
I
said,
a
museum
as
a
component
of
that
mixed
use,
I'm
all
for
it.
I
just
I
don't
see
the
old
city
hall
building
is
being
functional
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
in
the
ultimate,
develop
final
development
and
final
product
of
of
what
we
want
to
see
there.
H
That's
my
opinion.
People
can
disagree
with
me.
I
know
we're
not
talking
about
the
cma
property
yet,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
I
would
look
at
and
I
would
be
more
than
willing-
and
I
would
think
I'd
hope.
A
developer
would
look
at
look
at
both
parcels
together
and
look
for
the
opportunity,
rather
than
moving
pierce
street,
just
being
able
to
use
both
properties
and
construct
across
above
the
street.
Leave
the
opening
just
like
they
have
over
in
tampa
and
harbor
island
you'll
be
able
to.
H
You
could
still
construct,
make
your
mixed
use
on
both
properties
and
build
above
the
street,
where
vehicles
could
still
traverse
down
pierce
street
to
get
to
pierce,
100
and
things
that
and
and
the
waterfront.
So
that's
an
option.
That's
a
to
me!
That's
an
available
option
so
I'll
sit
back
and
shut
up
and
listen
from
that
point.
H
I
I
could
I
could
be
you
know
I
could
be
amenable
to
that
after
I
see
it,
but
you
know:
what's
the
difference
between
building
over
top
of
the
existing
pierce
street
or
having
to
move
all
that
infrastructure
over
to
to
create
a
new
peer
stream.
C
Okay,
vice
mayor,
okay,.
A
I'm
gonna
come
at
this
straight
on
because
michael
you
know
you
and
I
had
conversations
two
years
ago
about
when
we
were
talking
about
taking
down
the
harborview
center.
I
was
the
one
that
said
well,
why
don't?
We
do
city
hall
and
the
harbor
view
together
see
we
get
a
better
deal
on
demolition
and
then
you
came
up
with
the
idea
of
this.
A
Museum
that
had
the
possibility
of
going
in
there
and
I
like
the
idea
of
the
public
amenity
portion
of
it,
because
I
really
believe
that
the
act
we
need
an
active
edge
there
and
having
two
city
components.
The
library
and
a
museum
would
be
great.
However,
it
is
not
going
to
be
a
win-win
situation
when
people
learn
that
the
imagine
museum
that
I
went
down
and
looked
at
and
saint
pete
and
I
loved
it,
and
I
think
it's
better
than
chihuly.
B
A
A
You
know
I'm
looking
at
what
is
going
to
pass
a
referendum
here
and
if
you're
talking
about
that,
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
happen.
I
just
don't.
As
far
as
the
rest
of
the
site,
we
got
a
three
acre
site.
If
you
combine
it,
I'm
fine
with
combining
you
got
a
1.3
acres
on
the
old
cma
property.
They
give
them
a
developer
over
four
acres
of
property.
Huge
you've
got
unlimited
height
there.
A
They
could
do
an
armature
works
and
a
you
know,
on
top
of
it
now
again
sail
is
off
the
table
for
me,
because
I
know
a
sail
on
anything
east
of
pierce.
I
mean
north
of
pierce
and
the
west
of
osceola
will
not
pass
a
referendum.
I
mean
people
don't
like
giving
up
land.
I
mean
look,
look
what's
happening
now
with
the
landings.
I
mean
we're
not
even
giving
that
up.
A
B
I
It's
got
a
lot
of
nostalgic
and
historic
memories
for
me,
and
I
wasn't
going
to
mention
the
the
scientology
donor
behind
the
glass
museum.
I
don't
want
to
stand
in
her
way.
Apparently
it's
a
very
successful
museum
in
saint
pete,
but
it
is
going
to
be.
I
Kind
of
difficult
to
know
that
city
hall,
which
once
stood
for
gabe,
casares
and
everybody
taking
a
stand
and
holding
hearings
about
them,
is
now
going
to
be
owned
by
a
scientologist
and
scientology
will
be
touting
it
as
a
success
for
them
again.
I
won't
stop
it,
but
it
is
a
factor
that
I
think
the
public
does
worry
about.
I
I
would
propose,
I
would
certainly
prefer
to
lease,
but
I'm
I'm
not
opposed
to
selling.
If
somebody
comes
up
with
a
a
good
good
project
for
this
pump.
G
I
think
I
agree
mostly
with
council
member
albritton,
I'm
looking
at
my
notes
here
I
do
I
I
don't
think
we
should
sell
the
property.
I
don't
think
residents
would
support
selling
that
property
I'm
open
to
having
it
combined
with
the
aquarium
property.
G
I
I
and
I
understand
that
so
there
are
two
reasons
why
I
would
not
at
this
point
with
my
limited
knowledge,
not
support
the
the
glass
museum
with
the
generous
scientology
donor
number
one
because
of
the
type
of
museum
and
number
two
because
of
the
connection
with
scientology
and
that
feeling
out
in
our
community.
I
don't
think
voters
would
support
that
a
height
limit.
You
know
I
don't
I'm
concerned
about
density
and
infrastructure
and
public
services
and
wear
and
tear
in
our
environment
and
all
that
business.
G
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
to
say
without
knowing
build
it
as
high
as
you
want,
and
pack
as
many
people
down
there
on
that
little
postage
stamp
area
as
you'd
like
so
I
think
reasonable
height.
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that
means
right
now,
but
so
those
are
those
are
that's
my
feedback.
Is
there
anything
else.
C
G
C
C
There
are
not
height
restrictions,
but
there
are
floor
area
ratio
restrictions
so
there
it's
not
as
though
you
can
build
the
tower
of
babel.
So
there
are
limitations,
council,
member
bunker,
combination
of
city
hall
and
cma.
Yes,
no
indifferent.
A
My
only
concern
is
the
cma
property
could
be
used
for
condos,
because
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
selling
that
as
a
separate
unit,
because
it's
not
in
the
bluff
area.
If
it's
combined
pam
would
that
be
part
of
the.
If
it
was
combined,
it
would
still
need
a
referendum
right
for
a
sale
where
now
it
doesn't.
C
B
A
Well,
that
that,
because
what
pam
said
that
we
could
separate
that,
because
I
really
believe
that
condos
is
a
better
fit
on.
D
A
C
B
C
Okay,
I
want
to
build
the
tax
space
in
downtown.
I
want
to
build
a
place
that
our
residents
and
visitors
want
to
come.
I
want
to
build
a
place
that
we
can
bring
in
more
businesses
and
diversify
the
economy
down.
Here.
That's
my
goal
and
I
think
imagine
clearwater
and
this
bluff
property
properties
that
the
city
of
clearwater
owns.
C
A
C
So
I'm
kind
of
hearing
mixed
messages
on
the
lease
versus
sale.
Okay,
we've
got
council
member
bunker
that
could
go
lease
or
sale.
I'm
open
to
both.
I
think
council
member
hamilton
is
open
to
both
I'm
hearing
council
member
beckman
and
vice
mayor
would
prefer
to
lease.
I
certainly
would
prefer
to
lease.
I
just
also
know
that
that
closes
the
door
to
a
lot
of
different
concepts.
So
that's
my
only
concern,
I'm
not
as
married
to
the
city
hall
site
council,
member
hamilton
well,.
H
Clarification,
I'm
I'm
open
to
sale
or
lease
of
the
city
hall
site,
but
I
believe
a
lease
has
a
much
better,
better
possibility
of
passing
a
referendum
than
sales.
I
agree
the
cma
site.
Now
I'm
going
to
really
throw
one
out
there
for
you.
C
F
Yeah,
I
think
so,
but
I
would
like
to
I'd
like
to
comment
if
I
may
mayor
before
you're
done
with
the
city
hall
site,
go
ahead
and
appropriate
time.
Well,
I
you
know
I
I
try
not
too
often
to
pound
on
the
podium
speaking.
I
would
like
a
little
bit
of
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
do
that
here,
because
I
think
that
you
know
frankly,
I
think
we're.
F
If
we,
if
we
we
could
miss
one
of
the
biggest
opportunities
we
have
downtown
for
a
combination
of
museum,
private
development
opportunity.
We
have
someone
who
is
interested
in
that.
You
know
I've.
I've
thought
about
this
conversation
for
a
long
time.
You
know-
and
I
think
frankly,
it's
one
that
we
need
to
have.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
being.
You
know
trying
to
build
better
working
relationships
with
scientology.
We've
talked
about,
you
know,
they're
not
going
anywhere.
F
This
is
an
individual
who
wants
to
invest
in
our
community.
Now
she
has
bought
a
block
of
land
in
saint
petersburg
and
on
her
own
dime,
created
a
rather
extraordinary
museum
which
comprises
less
than
a
third
of
her
art
collection.
F
Frankly,
because
of
the
you
know,
the
issues
and
the
concerns
that
we've
had
with
scientology,
but
I
think
some
of
that
at
some
point
we
have
to
get
beyond
in
terms
of
developing
partnerships
that
are
in
our
own
best
interest
and
having
a
museum
component
anchoring
downtown
with
successful
mixed-use
development.
Along
with
it
is
something
we
ought
to
give
some
serious
consideration
to
at
least
remaining
open
to.
F
I
think
saint
petersburg
would
take
another
world-class
museum
in
a
heartbeat
and
we
might
be
fine
in
letting
it
go
to
st
petersburg
and
then
continuing
to
develop
their
downtown
around
fabulous
art
and
entertainment
and
restaurants,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
sit
on
the
sidelines
and
necessarily
let
that
happen
without
at
least
attempting
to
to
generate
our
own
economic
interest
around
in
civic
space.
So
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
that
we
ought
to
at
least
remain
open
to.
I
think
the
individual
is
not
asking
us
for
money.
F
I
think
that
it
affords
an
opportunity
to
retain
ownership
of
key
civic
space,
on
the
other
hand,
and
on
the
in
private
sector
development
sell
off
the
part.
That's
not
integrated
with
the
park.
You
know,
I
think,
other
than
our
own
trepidation
and
concern
there's
a
very
positive
message
there
for
our
community
and
something
that
they
could
get
behind
and
support.
F
I
you
know
I
I
just
I
feel
like
that.
You
know
we.
Sometimes
we
get
con
facing
opportunities
at
some
point.
We
need
to
be
willing
to
take
advantage
of
them
and
let
them
see
if
they
can
work
out.
F
You
know
this
is
not
an
agreement
with
scientology
the
organization.
This
is
agreement
with
this
would
be
a
partnership
with
an
individual
who
wants
to
invest
in
our
community,
and
I
will
tell
you,
the
city
hall
will
not
look
at
anything
at
all.
Like
the
city
hall,
that's
there
today.
F
I
it's
hard
for
me
to
convey
to
you
because
of
my
you
know,
30
years
of
experience
about
you
know
what
the
vision
for
this
could
be,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
it's
a
rather
grand
vision
and
frankly,
I
think
that
some
of
our
respondents
to
the
rfei
are
who
have
no
connection
to
the
city
of
clearwater
other
than
some
development.
Limited
development
here
is
extremely
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
replicate
some
of
the
things
they've
seen
here
with
things
that
they've
experienced
in
chicago.
F
So
I
think,
having
that
rfp
out
there
having
those
opportunities
is
not
a
down
message
to
our
community,
it's
a
very
positive
message
to
our
community.
So
I
would
like
to
reiterate
that
I
think
council
should
give
some
serious
consideration
to
viewing
this
as
an
opportunity
that
I
think
it
is
and
mayor
to
accomplish
the
things
exactly.
As
you
articulated
a
moment
ago,
re-engage
our
community
in
downtown.
Have
our
community
have
ownership
in
downtown?
F
Have
you
know
world-class
museum
downtown?
F
These
are
these
are
incredible
opportunities.
I
would
hate
to
see
us
close
the
door
and
force
them
to
another
community
when
we
are
fully
capable
of
competing
at
that
level.
I
I
just
think
we
we
can't
continue
to
sell
ourselves
short
in
terms
of
the
opportunity
we
have
to
compete
at
the
highest
level
for
museums
and
public
space
and
active,
viable
downtowns
and
but
we're
gonna
have
to
you
know
kind
of
take
the
bull
by
the
horns.
I
think
and
and
be
more
open
to
some
of
these
partnerships.
G
I
appreciate
that
impassioned
plea
and,
and
I'm
in
mostly
full
agreement
with
you,
mr
delp,
but
I
would
say
we
are
not
on
the
same
playing
field
as
other
cities
who
would
not
turn
that
down,
because
we
are
surrounded
by
a
dominance
of
the
church
in
our
downtown
already.
And
so
you
know
that's
something
that
makes
us
unique
and
that
our
residents
are
fully
aware
of.
G
I
am
fully
supportive
of
a
museum
downtown
to
you,
know,
really,
engage
people
coming
downtown
and
and
we're
we
can
compete
with
any
city,
but
we
we
are
unique
in
this
whole
united
states,
with
our
city,
in
the
presence
of
one
entity
in
our
downtown.
That
makes
us
different
and
and
I'll
I'll
tell
you
too.
I
mean
if
a
museum
that
has
such
a
narrow
focus.
G
I
don't
care
who
owns
it,
but
that
adult
type
of
focus
in
that
museum-
I
don't
think
fits
well
with
our
library
and
our
active
environmentally
focused,
hopefully
park
and
music.
And
you
know
if,
if
we're
going
to
activate
the
northward
school
and
have
you
know
some
culture
that
goes
from
city
hall,
all
the
way
down
to
the
northward
school?
And
it's
this
wonderful,
you
know
couple
miles
to
walk
and
being
engaged.
G
I
I
don't
think
that
you
know
that
glass
museum
is
an
adult,
focused
museum,
it's
a
niche
museum,
and
I
you
know-
and
I
just
think
by
having
you
know,
someone
who
wants
to
sponsor
that
museum
have
all
that
money.
It
does
not
mean
that
I'm
not
convinced
that
it
means
that
it's
going
to
be.
You
know
a
real
success
in
our
particular
downtown
area.
H
Well,
first
off,
I
I
think
the
I
think
museum
is
the
wrong
word
for
the
dis
for
the
for
what
we're
talking
about
it's
more
of
a
an
art
exhibit
it
these
aren't.
You
know
these
aren't
pieces
that
are
centuries
old
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
I
I
just
I
don't.
H
As
I
said
in
my
opening
at
the
beginning,
I
said
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
a
museum
component,
but
I
don't,
I
think,
if
the
developer
wants
to
have
a
museum
component
or
a
art
gallery
type
component
to
the
mixed
use
development,
I
have
no
problem
with
that,
but
to
carve
out
and
parcel
out
the
old
building.
I
just
I
just
I'm
sorry,
michael,
I
just
don't
see
it.
I
I
I
just
don't
see
it
myself
that
doesn't
make
me
right
and
you
wrong,
or
vice
versa.
H
These
are
that's
just
my
opinion,
but
what
I
was
going
to
say
earlier
when
you
talk
about
the
cma
property,
I
was
on
the
council
that
paid
four
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
that
property,
and
I've
told
pam
this
I've
told
a
couple.
Other
people
there's
a
party
out
there
that
was
willing
to
pay
15
million
for
it.
H
Now,
if
we
want
to,
I
don't
have
a
problem
putting
it
all
out
to
you
know
for
development,
no
problem,
but
you
know
there's
also
you
know.
Do
we
want
to
look
at
or
is
there
a
possibility
that
we
would
want
to
look
at
you
know
again.
I
know
somebody
that
thinks
it's
worth:
15
million
or
willing
to
pay
15
million
for
it.
Could
we
swap
that
for
15
million
dollars
worth
of
property
in
other
areas
of
downtown
and
accumulate
that
much
more
property
for
further
development?
H
So
you
know
I
I'm
not
gonna,
I
I'm
not
saying:
let's
do
it,
I'm
just
looking
at
maximizing
the
people's
money.
So
so
I
don't
know
what
anybody
else
thinks
of
that
idea.
But
you
know:
there's
a
there's,
an
entire
block
of
there's,
an
entire
block
of
drew
street
to
cleveland
on
myrtle
and
east,
that
I
can
promise
you
the
person
that
was
willing
to
pay
15
million
dollars
for
the
cma
property.
H
He
does
not
want
a
big
development
on
that
property
on
the
cma
property.
For
personal
reasons
and.
H
C
H
But
I'm
willing
to
I'm
willing
to
put
it
all
out,
cma
city
hall
and
harborview
put
it
out
there
put
it
up
for
rfp,
but
I
do
believe-
and
I'm
gonna
put
this
out
here
now
for
further
for
everybody
else
can
chime
in,
I
think
we'll
be.
H
I
think
we
receive
a
better
product
and
a
pr
a
product,
that's
easier
to
take
to
the
public
for
referendum
if
we're,
if
the
rfp
is
asking
for
a
master
development
of
all
properties,
rather
than
trying
to
piecemeal
each
prop
each
property
separately
and
and
basically
being
three
different
referendums.
So
I
I.
C
Well,
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
we
could
talk
about
after
we
talked
about
the
cma
property
as
long
as
you
dove
into
that
I
agree,
I
would
rather
have
a
master
plan,
but
with
the
amount
of
interest
that
we
got
through
the
indications
of
interest.
That's
a
little
bit
concerning
to
me
that
we
get
the
type
of
developer
that
has
the
wherewithal
and
the
interest
to
do
a
master
plan
on
the
three
properties
I
mean.
C
I
know
kovitz,
certainly
a
a
variable
that
we're
unaccustomed
to
dealing
with,
but
at
the
same
time
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
a
higher
level
of
interest
than
we
received
council
member
bunker.
You
had
your
hand
up.
I
Yeah,
I
think
council
member
beckman
was
correct
in
saying
that
this
city
is
a
little
bit
different
than
any
other
city
in
accepting
a
museum
paid
for
by
a
scientologist.
I
At
least
you
know.
We
know
that
she
wants
to
do
this
museum
and,
as
I
said,
I'm
not
going
to
stand
in
her
way,
but
I
think
it
probably
would
be
good,
since
we
are
going
to
be
doing
a
survey
to
find
out
what
people
think
about
downtown
and
scientology's
impact
on
downtown,
apparently
that
maybe
this
should
be
part
of
the
survey
in
some
way
or
shape
or
form.
C
Well,
I
I
I
can
tell
you
from
doing
a
fairly
extensive
survey.
It's
it's
hard
to
just
consolidate
the
feelings
I
mentioned
it
yesterday
at
the
work
session,
but
I
got
about
3
300
responses
to
that
survey.
C
Probably
several
hundred
of
them
came
with
multiple
pages
of
additional
comments
and
the
vast
majority
of
them
centered
around
the
church
of
scientology,
so
council,
member
beckman.
G
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
you
know,
put
this
on
the
record
and
be
very
honest
and
transparent.
I
am
not
anti-scientology
what
I
what
I
and
I
do
look
forward
to
working
with
the
church
as
well
as
any
parishioners
that
own
property.
What
I
am
saying
is
that
I
do
not
believe
our
voters
will
vote
for
a
will.
Support
selling
our
property
on
the
bluff
and-
and
I
don't
think
a
narrow,
focused
kind
of
adult
glass
museum
is
the
best.
G
I
want
it
to
be
more
family,
so
if
that
museum,
if
someone
wants
to
have
that
museum
somewhere
else
in
downtown
at
a
big
storefront
or
something
that's
fantastic,
but
not
on
that
prime
location,
I
just
don't
think
it
complements
what
is
around
it.
C
C
I
think
cma
was
wise
in
buying
it
in
2012,
when
I
was
on
the
board
of
directors.
I
wish
that
we
had
the
aquarium
on
the
city
hall
site
today.
I
think
it
was
the
best
opportunity
that
we
had
in
the
last
30
years,
and
I
think
it
is
a
shame
that
there
wasn't
a
little
bit
more
patience
given
to
cma
because
now
they're
building
an
80
million
dollar
facility
out
on
island
estates,
but
that's
just
a
free
editorial
comment,
mr
dunk,
on.
F
G
F
Well,
that's
an
important
distinction.
I
don't
want
to
misread
what
your
indications
or
your
recommendations
are.
Your.
G
B
C
C
C
I
talked
personally
to
tom
james
and
you
know,
basically,
you
know
offered
the
fact
that
we
would
be
interested
in
partnering
and
helping
build
it
and
everything
else
and
other
people,
other
other
museums,
and
it
just
didn't
work
out.
Cma
was
our
I'll,
get
you
to
memphis
councilmember.
C
I
think
you
know
cma
was
our
best
opportunity.
We
talked
to
the
military
museum
at
one
time
to
come
downtown.
I
think
cma
was
our
best
opportunity.
I
think
you
really
ought
to
look
at
clearwater.
If
you
look
at
tampa,
they
have
the
bucks
and
the
lightning
and
some
museums
where
the
glacier
museum
and
mosey
and
other
things,
and
you
look
at
saint
pete,
certainly
they've
kind
of
cornered,
the
market
on
fine
arts
and
dolly
and
chihuly,
and
I
mean
they've,
done
a
great
job
and.
B
C
C
I
mean
with
ruth
eckerd
hall,
the
capital
theater,
the
murray,
theater
jazz
holiday
sea
blues,
and
all
of
that
that's
really
our
niche.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
I
think
we
ought
to
embrace
it.
I
think
it's
great
that
all
of
us
have
different
niches
within
within
the
entire
region.
That
means
we're
fulfilling.
C
You
know
the
responsibility
of
giving
diversity
to
all
of
our
citizens,
whether
they
live
in
clearwater,
tampa,
say,
beat
done
eating
wherever.
So
I
just
think
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
if
an
opportunity
for
a
museum
comes
along.
I
am
certainly
receptive
to
that
and
I
don't
think
we
ought
to
put
limitations
on
what
could
come
out
of
the
rfps
as
best
we
possibly
can
council
member
beckman.
G
C
Space
in
some
instances,
so
we
had
talked
at
one
time
about
putting
a
museum
component
in
a
hotel
at
the
corner
of
drew
and
osceola,
which
was
the
old
arnold
building
and
served
as
our
temporary
library
for
a
while
that
didn't
work
out.
We
did
talk
to
the
military
museum
about
the
harbor
view
center.
I
think
there
was
some
trepidation
because
we
knew
the
harbor
view
center
was
going
to
go
away
and
where
would
we
relocate
that
museum?
Should
it
come
to
downtown?
C
C
C
C
Obviously,
the
capital
theater
does
great
when
we
don't
have
a
pandemic
going
on
it's
the
second
most
successful
theater
of
its
size
in
the
country.
So
you
know
we
have
gotten
over
that
speed
bump
with
some
people.
We
just
need
to
expand
upon
it,
councilmember
bunker
and
then
miss
thompson
at
the
podium
and
then
mr
horn,
in
the
mistback.
I
Mr
mayor,
I
do
agree
with
you
completely
that
people
should
be
coming
downtown.
There
is
nothing
to
be
afraid
of.
In
fact
we
should
be
taking
back
the
downtown
one
thing
scientology
doesn't
want
is
for
us
to
be
down
there.
They
they,
like
it
being
nice
and
quiet.
My
understanding
is
that
you're
right,
the
the
aquarium
would
have
been
the
thing
that
could
have
changed
the
downtown's
future,
but
who
opposed
it.
My
understanding
was
scientology
was
pretty.
D
I
So
anyway,
it's
just
part
of
the
frustrating
history
that
I
don't
think
should
be
forgotten
and
why
people
don't
have
kind
feelings
about
the
organization,
but
there
is
nothing
to
be
afraid
of
come
on
downtown
I'll.
Have
olive
lunch
or
dinner
with
you.
Look
at
me:
I'm
ready
to
eat,
so
it's
safe,
downtown.
D
Miss
thompson,
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure,
because
it's
easy
for
us
to
repeat
the
same
narratives
and
stories
over
and
over
that
when
we
do
provide
high
quality
experiences
in
downtown
and
we
market
them.
People
do
come
and
we
are
successful
and
the
capitol
theater
is
the
highest
grossing
theater
of
its
size
in
the
united
states,
when
we
did
dreams
of
dolly
exhibition
per
second,
when
we
did
the
dreams
of
dolly
exhibition,
4
600
visitors
in
six
months-
and
we
did
a
massive
marketing
with
that
people
were
very
surprised.
They
were
delighted.
D
They
were
coming
back
again,
clear
sky.
Also,
very
high
quality,
very
well
done
experience.
They
have
been
successful,
so
I
you
know
just
because
something
happened
that
way
in
the
past.
I
think
we
have
shown
bright
spots
and
we've
shown
ways
forward,
so
we
shouldn't
be
so
quick
to
give
up
on
our
ability
to
attract
and
build
amazing
experiences.
D
You
know.
The
second
thing
I
will
also
mention
is
someone
who
works
very
closely
with
parishioners
every
day
and
who
are
business
owners
in
downtown.
They
would
like
a
vibrant
downtown
as
well.
Their
livelihood,
their
employees,
livelihood
them
being
able
to
make
money,
depends
on
us
having
a
successful
vibrant
downtown.
So
I
try
very
hard
to
separate
out
an
institution
from
its
parishioners
and
their
behavior.
E
Yes,
mayor,
first
of
all,
I
like
to
say
that
this
conversation
in
many
ways
frees
the
council
up
to
really
have
some
very
good
discussion
about
what
is
perceived
to
be
in
the
best
interest
of
this
city.
So
I'm
going
to
encourage
you
to
continue
to
be
as
candid
and
as
direct
with
each
other
as
you
can
in
response
to
councilmember
beckman.
This
predates
me
with
regard
to
the
interest
in
art
and
museums,
but
pam
might
remember
this
council,
member,
the
vice
mayor
might
remember
this
and
even
hamilton.
E
You
know
there
was
a
proposal
back
in
the
late
90s
to
to
create
a
museum
in
the
downtown,
and
it's
my
understanding,
pam.
You
might
remember
this.
E
The
city
decided
not
to
pursue
it,
and
you
know
that
it
just
just
seems
to
me
coming
here
in
late
1998
and
having
and
hearing
so
many
discussions
about
museums
and
the
difficulty
and
embracing
some
of
this.
It
seems
to
me
that
that
might
have
set
us
on
a
course
from
from
a
region-wide
perspective
of
not
having
an
interest
pam.
You
want
to
comment
on
that.
J
I
do
actually
before
I
got
here
in
94,
there
had
been
a
proposal
to
convert
the
city
hall
to
a
museum.
I
do
not
recall
which
museum
it
was,
but
mayor
garvey
at
that
time
was
a
proponent
of
that
and
that,
as
a
result,
the
density
council
then
moved
forward
a
referendum
requirement
for
developing
the
property
to
the
west
of
osceola
for
anything
other
than
a
city
government
use.
J
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
responses
to
a
potential
museum
on
this
on
the
property
we're
now
talking
about
was
to
put
in
a
referendum
requirement
which
did
not
exist
prior
to
that.
So
there
was.
There
was
an
effort
before
I
came
here
in
the
very
early
90s,
perhaps
even
late
80s,
so
that
that's
the
one
I
remember
bill.
I
believe
there
may
have
one
in
the
mid
90s
as
well,
but
that's
the
one
that
I
am.
C
G
Yeah,
you
know
I
I
just
when,
when
you
mentioned
that
we're
kind
of
known
as
aquarium
beach
and
live
music-
and
we
kind
of
need
to
embrace
that-
I
I
understand
that
those
are
our
wonderful
things
that
we
have
to
offer.
G
But
I'm
you
know-
and
I
I'm
not-
I
know
you're
not
giving
up
on
downtown.
I
envision
a
downtown
that
is
very
diverse
and
lively
and
engaging,
but
but
at
the
top
of
my
list
is
that
it
is
accessible
to
our
residents
and
their
levels
of
income,
and
you
know
when
we
talk
about
our
beach
and
parking
and
accessibility,
the
aquarium
and
live
music
things
like
that.
Those
things
are
expensive
and-
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
our
residents
do
not
go
down
to
our
beach-
they
can't
afford
it.
G
They
can't
afford
parking,
they're
worried
about
traffic,
and
so
I
think,
by
having
a
museum
or
some
kind
of
a
cultural,
you
know
location
on
this
side
of
the
bridge.
G
That's
that's
not
overpriced,
and
that
is
for
families
is
something
I'd.
I'd
really
advocate,
for,
I
think
you
know
when
we
have
that
park,
that's
going
to
be
very
friendly
and
for
our
residents
every
day
to
walk
to
it'd
be
great
to
have
something
up
at
the
top
for
at
the
bluff
part
for
them
as
well.
E
And
that
some
people,
you
know,
can't
afford
it.
What
I
hear
out
in
the
community
is
not
so
much
that
they
can't
afford
it.
It's
just
that
we
have
at
least
there's
a
perception.
Historically,
they
weren't
welcomed
in
the
downtown.
So
I
think
we
have
done
a
lot
to
open
up
the
downtown.
I
also
think
that
the
stronger
our
economy
is,
the
people
who
lack
the
affordability
to
come
to
the
downtown
will
have
more
of
an
opportunity
to
get
jobs
that
will
give
them
that
kind
of
affordability.
E
E
E
I
think
I
think,
creating
more
of
an
inclusive
environment
where
people
feel
like
they're
welcome
to
come
to
the
downtown
and
that
the
clientele
in
the
downtown
is
more
is
more
worrying.
More
welcoming
for
them
is
really
where
I
think
our
focus
ought
to
be.
C
G
C
G
I
hadn't
meant
that
the
downtown
was
expensive.
I'm
talking
about
parking
and
accessibility
to
the
beach.
That
was
that's
been
a
common
refrain
from
residents
I
engage
with,
is
that
you
know
they
don't
that's
why
they're
not
coming
to
the
beach
as
much
as
they
might
want
to,
but
but
again
you
know
it's
select,
people
that
I
interact
with
people
get
other
messages
from
other
residents
that
they
interact
with.
That's
just
my
experience.
C
A
B
A
A
We
are
going
to
talk
about
having
concerts
that
might
have
a
a
fee
based
to
go,
see
them,
but
it's
like
that
pretty
much
everywhere,
but
we
do
have
our
fill
of
free
things
and
free
concerts
that
draw
tens
of
thousands
of
people
down
here,
and
you
know
what
you
can
get
down
to
the
beach
pretty
easy.
You
know
I
I
hear
complaints
about.
Oh
I'm
not
gonna
go
to
the
beach
too
much
traffic.
Well,
you
know
that's
not.
A
Curse
that
just
shows
we
have
a
really
successful
beach
and
you
want
to
get
to
down
to
the
beach
go
before
11
o'clock.
You
can
find
a
parking
space
20
bucks
all
day,
and
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
enjoying
the
beach,
but
my
friends,
they
don't
want
to
go
down
there
because
they
think
they
don't
want
to
it's
too
much
traffic.
So
I
think
I
can
you
know,
make
that
designation,
but
anyway,
I
wanted
to
clarify
my
statement
too,
with
michael
delkin,
I'm
not
against
having
a
public
amenity.
A
As
I
said
before,
I
like
the
bookend
public
amenity,
one
end
of
the
park,
the
library,
the
other
end,
a
museum,
but
all
I
was
mentioning
that
it
would
be
a
hard
I
think
it's
hard-pressed
to
get
people
to
buy
in
to
a
scientology
owned
museum
in
our
city
as
councilmember
beckman.
I
think,
and
also
bunker
has
said.
I
mean
we
are
a.
A
F
Really,
I
think
much
of
the
theme
is
the
same:
the
residential
mixed
use
overnight,
accommodations,
condos
mass
scale
flexible
to
market.
F
I
think
the
one
thing
that's
unique
here
is
that
I
did
suggest
because
of
the
really
the
relative
lack
of
critical
nature
of
this
piece
relative
to
the
other
pieces,
that
land
assembly
or
or
even
land
swap
options
would
be
something
that
we
should
be
open
to,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
referendum
not
required,
so
that
you
know
puts
us
in
a
pretty
good
negotiating
position.
F
If
that's
the
case,
if
we
find
that
a
swap
option
or
that
sort
of
thing
is,
is
theoretically
in
our
best
interest.
C
I'm
open
to
swaps
and
deals,
but
I
also
want
to
make
it
possible
that
we
could
combine
the
two
sites
which
I
think
makes
it
more
marketable
and
potentially
a
lot
better
opportunity
to
get
the
best
development
possible.
I.
I
Yes,
this
is
the
property
that
that
david
miscavige
wanted
to
buy
for
scientology
right
and
yes
once
he
broke
his
silence
and
started
talking
again
this
past
year
to
the
tampa
bay
times.
He
said
he
still
wants
that
property.
So
are
we
planning
to
sell
it
to
him
now?
Has
there
been
have
there
been
any
talks
about
that,
or
are
we
swapping
anything
with
them
for
that
property.
I
Well,
one
would
hope
that
we
have
tracy
mcmanus
on
beat
so
she's
too
good
at
digging
this
stuff
up.
C
C
F
Oh
yeah,
I'd
like
to
respond
to
that
as
well
mayor,
if
I
could,
in
terms
of
you,
know
the
desire
to
be
transparent
here,
and
I
think
this
is
very
healthy
discussion
as
bill
suggested
earlier.
F
You
know,
I
think,
there's
some
properties
now
they're
not
owned
by
the
organization
they're
owned
by
the
members,
but
if
you
know,
if
it
were
possible
for
us
to
assemble
more
properties
adjacent
to
our
bluff
properties
along
osceola,
that
north
end,
I
think
those
could
have
tremendous
economic
benefit
for
us
up
there
in
that
kind
of
that
drew
street
fort.
You
know.
F
Osceola
yeah
properties
in
that
area
have
great
economic
development
potential.
I
don't
know
if
the
members
you
know
we've
seen
some
development
proposals
or
concepts
in
the
past.
F
I
don't
know
if
those
still
have
fraction
or
not,
and
they
may
not
be
available
since
they
are
owned
by
members
and
not
the
organization
itself,
but
I
think
there
is
some
tremendous
economic
opportunity
there
that
frankly,
would
probably
outweigh
the
economic
development
potential
of
the
peer
street
site,
and
so
that's
the
reason
I'm
suggesting
to
you
that
we
remain
open
if
we
have
an
opportunity
to
to
pull
some
of
those
other
properties
back
under
our
our
umbrella,
so
to
speak.
F
I
think
the
cra
could
make
good
use
of
some
of
those
properties
from
an
economic
development
standpoint
more
mixed-use
opportunity
there
than
the
beer
street.
I
And
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
swap
at
all.
I
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
this
is
the
property
that
david
miscavige
wanted,
and
I
believe
I
I
personally
believe
with
no
evidence
about
it,
that
the
purchase
of
all
these
properties
was
as
a
bargaining
tool
to
get
the
cma
property
for
scientology.
I
So
if
we're
gonna
make
a
swap
that's
okay
with
me,
we
should
just
be
open
about
it.
Well,.
C
E
Isn't
necessarily
framing
a
specific
action,
it's
simply
giving
you
all
a
broader
context
for
decisions
that
you
could
make
downstream
so
council,
member
bonker.
I
I
just
want
to
appeal
to
you
that
there
has
been
no
behind
the
scenes
conversations
about
any
particular
solutions
to
anything,
so
so
just
kind
of
leave
it.
You
know
just
kind
of
leave
it
at
that
and
and-
and
I
think
the
path
you're
on
is
to
be
open
enough
to
I.
C
I
C
C
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
H
H
Well,
as
I
said
before,
I
think
I
really
think
we're.
This
is
what
we're
looking
at
and
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
is
much
better
suited
through
a
master
development,
rf
type
rfp,
because
if
we
do
the
piecemeal
you
may
get
the
harborview
site
rfp
comes
in.
While
I
want
a
boutique
hotel,
this
any
other
which
is
great
and
all
sudden
the
city
hall
site
comes
in
with
the
exact
same
type
of
of
thing.
I
I
think
I
think,
a
a
total
development
through
a
master
developer
development
opportunity.
H
Rfp
is
much
more
conducive
and
much
more
beneficial
than
trying
to
piecemeal
it.
That's
that's
my
two
cents
worth.
C
I
agree
with
you,
mr
dulk
you're.
F
Muted
yeah-
I
I
guess
for
purposes
of
just
throwing
it
out
there.
I
my
initial
recommendation
is
that
we
leave
it
open
one
or
more
developers
for
one
or
more
properties,
and
that
gives
us
a
lot
of
latitude
and
negotiation
depending
upon
how
somebody
wants
to
respond.
I
J
C
J
Your
head,
I
agree,
but
we
can
also
in
the
rfp
state
of
preference
for
a
master
developer,
but
not
limited
to
master
developer
concepts.
I
think
at
this
point
you
really
don't
know
what
you're
going
to
get
back,
so
I
would
suggest
that
you
leave
it
open
but
acknowledge
that
you
have
a
preference.
C
C
Thing
I'd
like
you
to
discuss
michael,
is
just
how
we
are
going
to
effectively
market
this
to
maybe
a
broader
range
of
people.
I
certainly
would
like
to
see
more
responses
than
we
got
for
the
indications
of
interest.
F
Well,
yeah,
certainly
I
I
as
well
mayor,
I
think,
we're
going
to
put
together
and
we'll
probably
bring
back
to
you
when
we
bring
back
the
the
rfp
kind
of
a
marketing
plan.
What
that
is,
I
think
you
know
amanda
and
some
of
our
other
staff
are
working
on
kind
of
how
that's
gonna.
You
know
what
we're
gonna
do
to
frame
that
question.
I
think
we,
you
know
we're
gonna
revisit
we're
gonna,
send
it
to
everybody
that
was
on
the
original
list.
F
We've
probably
had
at
least
three
firms
in
addition
to
those
on
the
list
that
expressed
some
interest
since
we've
gotten
the
rfei
back,
so
we
will
include,
obviously
include
all
of
those,
so
I
will
bring
you
a
a
marketing
plan
for
that
and
work
very
hard
to
try
to
get
a
greater
response.
F
So
I
don't
know
what
all
that
looks
like
this
morning,
but
that's
certainly
going
to
be
a
part
of
what
we're
going
to
go
over
with
you
when
we
bring
back
the
rfp.
G
Can
you
comment
on
the
opportunity
zone
incentives
then?
So,
if
we're
going
to
have
this
rfp
out
here
first
and
we're
not
going
to
put
anything
before
the
voters
until
we've
made
a
decision
on
some
kind
of
a
a
preference
of
a
developer
in
the
plan,
does
that
mean
that
all
opportunity
zone
incentives
have
been
lost.
F
I
think
from
what
I
understand-
and
we
talked
about
this
a
couple
of
meetings
ago.
I
think
when
we
talked
to
you
about
kind
of
what
would
drive
the
train
on
the
the
opportunity
zone
issue
is
that
there
may
be
some
tax
advantages
still
available
to
people,
but
that
the
the
five
percent
bump
or
whatever
that
is
it's
10
to
15
percent
bump
after
five
years,
will
not
be
available
after
december
of
2021.,
and
I
may
be
getting
that
a
little
bit
wrong,
but
that
was
kind
of
the
gist
of
it.
F
There
was
some
added
incentives
that
would
be
available
for
the
opportunity
zone
applicants
if
it
occurred
by
december
21,
but
you
all
had
indicated
that
that
should
not
be
the
driver
right
now
and
the
reason
for
that
basically,
is
that
we
almost
have
to
throw
all
of
our
eggs
into
one
basket
and
just
see
where
it
goes,
and
we
would.
C
I
did
talk
to
our
federal
lobbyists
this
week
about
this
issue
because,
if
need
be,
I
certainly
want
to
take
a
position
that
with
covid,
I
think
a
lot
of
development
has
been
postponed
and
he
did
indicate
that
there
is
some
talk
about
potentially
extending
the
dates
for
the
opportunity
zone,
but
he
doubted
that
it
would
occur
before
the
election,
which
is
not
hard
to
believe
with
how
well
everybody's
getting
together
up
there,
but
that
the
possibility
still
exists.
F
F
F
I'm
gonna
walk
through
the
slides
here,
we'll
talk
about
kind
of
what
the
we're
gonna
go
through.
These
I'm
gonna
make
a
couple
of
comments
along
the
way
of
things
that
we
were
thinking
when
we
we
kind
of
met
with
staff.
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
and
then
kind
of
my
last
slide
is
a
I'm
proposing
to
you
as
kind
of
a
starting
point
for
our
discussion,
some
assumptions
and
and
then
once
we
get
to
those
assumptions.
F
It'll
give
you
maybe
hopefully
the
idea
is
a
a
starting
point
for
your
comments,
as
you
give
us
feedback.
So
let
me
run
through
these.
The
role
of
the
conservancy
obviously
is
paramount.
Before
I
get
started
on
that
too,
I
wanted
to.
F
You
know
point
out
that
I
did
send
you
all
a
document
that
I
received
from
the
neighborhood
coalition
back
in
june,
that
I
thought
kind
of
laid
out
and
the
reason
I
thought
that
was
important
enough
to
to
send
to
you
is
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea,
and
it
was
interesting
to
me
to
see
what
our,
what
our
community
and
neighborhoods
folks
were
thinking
about
a
possible
role
for
them
and
what
they
thought
was
beneficial
and
I
thought
it
would
be.
F
I
thought
it
was
just
telling
and
interesting
to
see
that
so
I
sent
that
for
you
and
I
think,
there's
some
good
points
in
there.
So
let
me
go
through
this.
Obviously,
the
role
of
the
conservancy
is
very
important.
For
us
part
programming
is
an
obvious
obvious
one:
maintenance
and
operations,
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
I
feel
like
or
talking
to
staff.
F
Given
our
track
record,
I
guess
with
some
of
the
other
kind
of
philanthropic
efforts
that
have
been
out
there
for
the
library
and
other
things
that
we're
not
real
staff,
wise
optimistic
that
a
conservancy
can
raise
enough
funds
consistently
enough
to
maintain
the
park.
F
Whether
or
not
the
conservancy
is
responsible
for
the
amphitheater
program,
maintenance
and
operations.
Of
that
fundraising,
capital
campaigns
can
be
a
role
in
the
conservancy,
and
I
would
also
point
out
that,
depending
upon
our
timing
of
getting
them
established-
and
I
think
it's
if
we
move
forward
with
it-
we
ought
to
try
to
start
planning
the
seed
and
getting
this
going
fairly
soon.
I
think
the
conservancy
could
be
sort
of
our
neighborhood
champions
out
there.
F
If
you
will
involved
in
supporting
what
future
referendums
in
a
way
that
we
cannot,
there
are
some
charter
and
special
act
restrictions
that
pam
can
talk
about.
F
The
most
obvious
one
is
that
we
could
not
turn
over
the
amphitheater
to
a
management
by
a
conservancy
without
a
charter
amendment,
and
we
can,
like
I
said
and
pam
can
go
into
that
a
little
more
later
on.
If,
if
need
be,
how
will
the
conservancy
be
funded
initially,
based
on
some
of
the
functions
that
I've
outlined
above?
F
I
think
the
some
of
the
obvious
things
that
we
thought
of
is
that
you
know.
Certainly
people
are
not
shy
about
coming
to
the
city
of
clearwater
for
funding,
but
we
also
have
downtown
organizations
such
as
the
ddb
who
has
some
funding
authority
of
their
own,
who
could
fund
things
that
they
believed
in.
We
also
have
the
cra,
which
is
out
there
could
fund
things
that
we
support
and
want
to
see
happen
as
well
as
any
fundraising
that
a
conservancy
might
do
on
its
own.
F
What
do
we
believe
is
an
appropriate
size
and
a
makeup
of
the
conservancy
with
that
I
want
to.
I
want
to
leave
you
with
a
comment
that
that
I
really
think
that
we
should
consider
the
conservancy
as
an
opportunity
for
engaging
our
community,
the
residents,
the
citizens
of
clearwater
in
the
waterfront
in
the
park
and
downtown,
I'm
not
suggesting
that
to
exclude
downtown
business
groups,
but
they
have
a
lot
of
you
know.
A
lot
of
organizations
have
their
mission
as
downtown
the
business
community.
F
They
have,
you
know
I
think
downtown
is-
is
very
well
represented.
We
have
a
numerous
groups
that
are
involved
in
promoting
that.
F
I
think,
with
the
the
referendum
developer
partner
selection,
again
an
opportunity
for
the
conservancy
to
weigh
in
and
support
where
we
go
with
the
rfp
process.
Ultimately,.
F
And
obviously
I
was
trying
to
frame
two
things
here.
We
kind
of
moved
on
from
the
referendum
development
partner
selection.
We
have
selected
this
morning
in
a
prior
discussion,
the
development
partner
selection,
followed
by
the
referendum.
So
my
apologies
for
that.
F
So
you
could
scratch
number
three.
The
the
one
two
and
four
are
kind
of
the
the
current
direction
that
we
seem
to
be
on
here's
the
scenario
for
discussion
purposes
my
last
slide,
and
this
is
something
that
we're
that
we
would
throw
out
there
as
a
starting
point.
One
is
the
city
we
will
corporately
be
responsible
for
the
management
and
leasing
of
the
amphitheater
that
we
will
also
corporately.
F
We
would
propose,
at
least
at
some
point,
to
reimburse
the
city
for
specific
support
activities
and
use
of
the
facilities
when
support
services
are
needed
and
that
the
conservancy
would
fundraise
from
available
sources
as
well
as
generate
generating
revenues
from
some
of
their
events
that
they
may
excuse
me
may
put
on
such
as
you
know,
a
farmers
market
of
sorts
may
generate
some
revenue
and
income,
maybe
similar
to
the
pier
60
model,
at
some
point.
So
with
that
mayor.
F
Those
are
my
talking
points
and
ready
for
url's
discussion
to
hear
what
you,
what
you
feel
like.
C
Your
views,
okay,
if
we
could
move
back
to
the
yes,
let
me
you
of
the
council.
That
would
be
helpful.
G
Yeah,
I
was
wondering
if
mr
delqueu
could
provide
us
with
any
examples
of
conservancies
in
other
cities
of
about
our
size
or
or
even
larger,
whatever,
where
a
conservancy
is
set
up
and
operational
and
working
for
a
number
of
years.
So
do
we
have
models
that
we
can
look
at.
F
And
jim
has
done
some
fair
amount
of
research
over
the
last
year
on
this,
so
I
don't
know
jim.
You
want
to
comment
a
little
bit
on
what
you.
K
Found
yep
good
morning,
mayor
council,
jim
haley
assistant
to
the
city
manager
in
response
to
council
member
beckley's
question
sarasota.
Actually
it's
a
very
similar
kind
of
situation
that
they're
going
through
where
they're
redeveloping
their
bay
front
and
they
have
engaged
in
first,
the
genesis
of
the
conservancy
started
as
a
basically
a
community
action
group
that
started
to
kind
of
rebuild
and
rebrand
their
their
bay
front,
so
that
community
action
group
grew
from
grassroots
support
and
then
it
evolved
from
that
community
action
group
into
a
conservancy.
K
So
there's
very
good
models
of
framework
with
agreements
between
the
conservancy
and
the
city
and
also
a
very
unique
aspect
of
this
situation,
is
that
they
have
the
van
weasel
performing
arts
center
that
is
down
there
and
that
is
excluded
out
of
the
conservancy
due
to
just
a
separate
person
operating
that.
So
this
provided
us
an
example
in
a
template
of
you
know
kind
of
two
ways
of
of
looking
at
the
the
operational
responsibilities
of
the
conservancy
with
the
performing
arts
center
and
without
so
I'll,
be
happy
to
share
their.
K
They
actually
have
their
own
web
page
sarasotabayfront.org
I'll
share
with
all
the
the
council,
so
they
can
kind
of
take
a
look
and
see,
but
they
have
an
extensive
planning
document
that
they
list
and
also
extensive
just
information.
They
do
implementation
plans
and
you
know
that
the
genesis
of
that
was
kind
of
that
was
the.
We
did
a
little
bit
of
the
cart
before
the
horse.
K
K
K
I'm
not
for
the
state
of
florida.
You
know,
of
course,
there's
always
the
central
park.
Conservancy
presidio
trust
things
like
that
out
in
san
francisco,
they're
more
of
on
a
large
scale.
Conservancy.
We
this
just
granted
us
something
to
look
at
that
was
very
similar
to
what
we
had
and
similar
to
the
types
of
restrictions
that
we
have
as
well.
So
that's
you
know.
We
have
a
unique
animal
and
a
unique
opportunity,
so
this
allows
us
to
look
at
that
template,
but
you
know
we'll
be
exploring
that
further
going
forward.
K
You
know
something
along
the
lines
of
having
that
performing
arts
piece
is
what's
difficult:
a
lot
of
land
trusts
out
there
and
a
lot
of
things
set
up
as
conservancies
for
more
so
on
the
environmental
or
the
sustainability
front,
but
not
so
much
a
conservancy
with
operating
a
park.
From
that
point
of
view,
so
you
know
we're
going
to
do
a
little
deeper
dive
and
we
should
be
able
to
come
back
to
you
with
some
more
examples
along
those
lines.
B
G
Mean
for
right
now
so,
just
to
be
clear,
I
mean,
as
you
know,
and
to
be
real,
transparent
and
upfront,
not
waste
anybody's
time.
The
main
function
of
a
conservancy
is
is
to
fundraise
and
help
supply
funds
to
operate.
The
venue
is
that
is
that
correct,
pretty
much.
K
There
can
be
two
aspects:
one,
yes,
there's
definitely
that
aspect
of
fundraising,
but
the
conservancy
also
does
operations.
I
can
tell
you
in
sarasota,
it's
set
up
to
operate
the
park,
so
any
events
that
they
have
going
on
in
there
and
program
the
park.
That's
what
that
conservancy
does
now
maintenance.
You
know,
as
it's
set
up
down
there,
they
have
a
standard
of
maintenance
that
is
is
set
for
the
park.
K
Much
like
we
have
our
standard
of
maintenance,
anything
that
is
above
and
beyond
deemed
by
the
city
and
the
conservancy
above
that
standard
of
maintenance.
They
would
be
responsible
for
that,
but
there
it
can
be
a
two-pronged
approach.
It
can
be
as
a
programming
aspect
of
it
or
as
a
strictly.
You
know,
capital
fundraising
aspect
of
it.
K
So
there's
and
that's
kind
of
what
assistant
city
manager
delc
is
going
to
bring
before
you
today
we're
going
to
discuss
those
options
and
see
which
one
we
feel
is
more
viable
and
which
one
on
the
council
is
comfortable
with.
C
Advocacy,
you
know
for
whatever
the
causes,
mr
dulk
and
then
the
vice
mayor.
F
Well,
I
just
following
up
on
what
jimmy
says
and
I'm
looking
here
at
an
agreement,
the
kind
of
the
framework
legal
framework
for
the
city
of
sarasota.
It
lays
out
the
general
responsibilities
of
the
conservancy,
the
general
responsibilities
of
the
city
of
sarasota
in
support
of
the
conservancy.
F
Also,
it
lays
out
some
of
the
activities
that
the
bpc
shall
be
responsible
for
pursuing
and
engaging
fundraising,
also
in
the
case
of
sarasota.
It
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
handle
the
naming
rights
for
certain
things.
Depending
on
how
we
structure
the
amphitheater,
you
know
the
they
could
sell
the
naming
rights.
The
city
could
sell
the
naming
rights.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
structure
there
that
we
want
to
bring
back
to
you
in
a
manner
that
you
are
comfortable
with.
So
it
kind
of
runs.
F
The
gamut,
I
think
part
of
our
concern
in
our
staff
discussion-
was
that
we
do
not
have
a
real
demonstrable
track
record
of
having
groups
out
there
take
on
the
lion's
share
of
fundraising-
and
I
would
point
to
the
library
and
some
of
the
other
things,
so
they
might
grow
into
that
to
be
able
to
take
a
larger
role
over
time.
F
But
how
can
we
get
started
out
of
the
gate
being
successful?
You
know
we
we
thought
probably
they're,
not
they
may
not.
We
may
not
want
to
assume
that
they
can
raise
the
line
share
that
funding
at
least
initially
as
an
organization.
A
Yeah,
I
was
thinking
something
on
the
line
of
you
know.
Conservancy
a
conservancy
would
have
multiple
responsibilities,
fundraising,
raising
also
keeping
a
standard
of
maintenance,
but
they
would
also
be
in
charge
of
like
activities
such
as
you
know.
If
we
somebody
wanted
to
have
a
wedding
down
by
the
lake
if
they
wanted
to
have
markets
on
saturday
morning,
family
activities,
holiday
activities,
sporting
events,
those
kinds
of
things
in
in
the
park,
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
it
would
be
smart
just
to
peel
off
the
amphitheater
off
of
that
and
have
that
as
a
separate.
A
Part
of
the
park,
because
that's
going
to
be
mostly
performances
now
there
will
be
some
activities
that
could
be
left
on
the
calendar
that
the
conservancy
could
say.
Hey.
We
we'd
like
to
have
a
market
on
saturday
mornings
here,
because
the
roof
will,
you
know,
give
shade
during
the
summertime.
I'm
sure
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
will
be
happening
in
in
that
part
of
it,
but
they
don't
have
to
set
up
chairs
and
things
like
that,
like
they
would
in
a
a
you
know
for
a
concert
or
that
kind
of
thing.
A
C
Well,
I
think
their
specific
expertise
in
running
the
amphitheater.
C
We
do
some
shows
right
now,
but
programming
and
understanding
how
many
people
would
be
to
different
shows.
I
think
you
need
coordination
between
the
park
portion
and
the
entertainment
venue.
I
certainly
believe
that
the
entertainment
venue
is
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
do
a
lot
of
things
that
aren't
music
oriented.
At
least
that
is
my
hope.
Yeah.
B
C
C
I
just
think
the
devil
are
is
in
the
details
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
more
examples
than
just
sarasota
and
I
I
go
to
council
member
beckman's
question
about.
I
want
to
see
some
longevity.
C
I've
got
to
believe,
there's
some
doozies
out
there
I
mean,
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
group
that
is
looking
for
additional
opportunities
that
are
not
top
of
mind
and
a
group
that
is
advocating
for
the
park
and
making
certain
also
that
all
the
different
elements
are
working
together
in
harmony
rather
than
against
one
another.
C
But
I
am
also
concerned
about
control
to
make
certain
that
quality
is
maintained.
I
also
know
from
experience
that
the
closer
the
city
is
to
a
specific
facility
or
venue
or
something
else.
People
are
less
apt
to
donate
to
it,
because
they
believe
that
it's
the
city's
responsibility
to
take
care
of
something
I
pay
my
taxes.
C
My
taxes
are
there
to.
You,
know,
pay
and
enhance
and
provide
the
personnel
for
a
specific
venue,
and
I
think
the
library
is
an
example.
I
think
the
friends
of
the
library
do
a
marvelous
job
and
I
thank
them
for
their
passion
for
libraries.
C
But
at
one
point
you
know
they
were
going
to
raise
five
million
dollars
for
the
main
library
for
the
expanded
square
footage
and
I
think
it
it
appealed
to
some
citizens,
but
other
citizens
said
well,
but
isn't
that
what
my
taxes
go
for
if
the
city
wants
to
build
a
library,
it's
the
city's
responsibility
to
do
so,
and
you
know
jump
in
mr
horn
or
miss
aiken.
C
If
you
want
to
give
some
more
color
to
that
process
back
in
the
early
2000s
or
council
member
hamilton,
who
was
on
the
council
at
the
time?
And
that's
that's.
The
only
issue
that
I
have
is
just
making
sure
we
coordinate
and
that
we
get
the
benefits
of
a
conservancy.
C
And
I
don't
know
you
know
how
people
will
embrace
it.
I
hope
they
will
because
I'd
love
to
take
some
additional
burden
off
the
city
and
if
there's
people
that
they're
passionate
about
this
and
want
to
leave
a
legacy
and
we're
surrounded
by
some
cities
where
people
have
literally
left
millions
of
dollars
to
the
park
systems.
C
You
know
the
biltmore
golf
course
was
originally
purchased
with
a
donation
of
the
city
of
bel
air.
I
think
it
was
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
that
was
left
by
one
of
their
residents.
C
G
G
Well,
yeah,
I
mean
I
was
following
your
your
argument
there.
So
at
one
point
when
council
member
albritton
was
talking,
you
know
about
the
conservancy
related,
primarily
to
maybe
the
the
amphitheater,
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
thinking
and
then
when,
when
you
sp-
and
I
thought
well,
do
we
want
to
keep
them
separate.
G
And
then,
when
you
spoke
about
the
coordination
and
having
people
on
the
conservancy
that
would
advocate
for
protecting
the
park
and
making
the
park
as
important
as
the
amphitheater
and
all
that
and
I'm
like
yeah
we
if,
if
or
when
we
set
up
a
conservancy,
I
would
want
people
that
value
both
venues.
The
park,
as
well
as
the
the
amphitheater
area
of
imagine
clearwater.
G
G
But
I
don't
think
that
those
residents
are
everyday
residents
want
to
feel
pressure
to
go
out
and
fundraise
or
donate
for
support
of
the
park.
They
certainly
want
their
voices
heard
in
what
goes
on
in
the
park,
but
I
don't
think
you
know
to
be
a
member
of
the
conservancy
for
them.
It's
like
okay.
Now,
please
go
out
and
raise
some
money
for
operations
of
this
or
you
know
what
I
mean.
Support
of
it.
C
Well,
that
is
what
you
know.
I
mean
when
you
get
involved
in
one
of
these
groups,
if
you're
on
the
board
of
the
aquarium
or,
if
you're,
on
the
board
of
ruth
eckerd
hall
or
hep
or
the
ark
or
any
of
these,
I
can
tell
you
in
the
bylaws
one
of
your
responsibilities
that
you
buy
into
is:
not
only
are
you
contributing
you're
going
out
and
trying
to
get
contributions
on
behalf
of
the
organization
that
is
part
and
parcel
of
you
know
so,
first
of
all,
you
don't
get
paid.
C
Secondly,
you
have
to
contribute,
and
third,
you
gotta
run
around
with
your
handout
asking
for
money,
so.
G
F
Yes,
I
just
want
to-
and
pam
may
want
to
comment
on
this,
but
going
back
to
the
vice
mayor's
comments,
I
think
for
us
to
consider
a
conservancy
managing
the
amphitheater.
We
would
have
to
have
a
charter
change
for
that.
So
I
think,
in
the
absence
of
that
or
you
wanting
to
pursue
one,
I
think
that
is
currently
off
the
table.
We
need
to
focus
on
other
objectives
for
the
conservancy.
J
I
think
whether
or
not
we
need
a
charter
amendment
would
depend
upon
what
kind
of
authority
you
want
to
give
the
conservancy.
J
C
A
Comment
on
that,
I
think
that
the
programming
of
the
you
know,
entertainment
facility
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
It's
gonna,
take
professional,
I
mean
it's
gonna
have
to
be
professionally
done.
I
mean
if
we
really
want
to
be
successful.
I
I
don't
know.
If
I
couldn't
take
that
role.
You
know
you
need
to
have
people
that
are
familiar
with
that
industry.
I
think.
A
A
A
I
was
just
throwing
it
out
there
saying-
maybe
that's
a
better
way
to
think
about
this,
because
the
part
has
many
different
aspects
of
it
and
specifically
the
programming
of
the
you
know
the
amphitheater,
if
you
want
to
call
it,
that
is
that
I
think,
is
better
left
to
professionals
to
do
that.
So
and
I
don't
know
how
we
would
do
that
pam.
That
would
be
something
we'd
have
to
and
how?
How
does
the
city
do
that
with
ruth
eckert
or
any
of
these
other
big
organizations.
J
There's
really
ruth
eckerd
and
the
capitol
theater
are
not
subject
to
the
charter
limitations
that
the
the
park
is
the
area
below
the
bluff,
and
so,
if
we
wanted
to
lease
the
property
out
to
them
like
we
have
ruth
eckerd
hall,
capital
theater,
I
think,
is
actually
a
license
agreement.
Then
that
would
require
a
referendum.
A
Okay,
well,
I'm
not
advocating
turning
it
over
to
rutherford.
No,
I
understand,
but
I
can
tell
you
it's
right
now:
events
go
through
the
parks,
parks
and
rec
right
for,
if
you
want
to
use
the
park,
you've
got
to
make
application
and
make
make
sure
and
that's
cumbersome.
I
mean
I
I've
used
to
have
events
in
the
park
and
downtown
and
I
used
to
do
put
it
all
together,
myself
and
I'll.
Tell
you
it's
cumbersome.
A
I
I
don't
want
to
do
that.
I,
but
I
was
thinking
I
mean.
Maybe
maybe
we
have
a
do.
We
need
to
put
that
separately
as
a
separate
thing
in
the
city
that
would
that
can
work
with
some
of
these
professional
people
like
ruth
ecker
or
the
other
national
companies
that
want
to
come
in
and
do
events
there.
I
know
that
florida.
A
J
A
Okay,
I
guess
I'm
saying
that
that's
a
better
thing
to
have
the
conservancy
do
everything
else
then,
and
the
performance
pavilion
be
separately
rented
by
the
city,
because
I
you
know
I
I
know
all
the
people
that
I
think
that
would
be
love
to
be
involved
with
the
conservancy.
But
I
I
don't
think
they
would
have
the
knowledge
to
know
how
to
put
to
keep
that
part
of
it
going
where.
A
Else
would
be
it'd,
be
something
I
think
would
be
of
interest
to
them
to
do.
C
Well-
and
I
think
you
were
still
going
to
need
coordination,
regardless
of
how
you
do
things,
because
there
are
going
to
be
none.
C
Is
we
need
to
get
some
people
that
are
interested
in
this,
and
also
you
know
people
on
the
entertainment
side
to
get
in
a
room
and
talk
about
along
with
pam
and
mr
dog
about
just
operational?
It's
about
roles
and
responsibilities
and
standards,
that's
kind
of
what
I
see.
C
What
are
the
roles
of
the
different
organizations
that
would
be
working
together?
What
are
their
responsibilities?
I
mean?
Is
the
city
going
to
still
do
all
the
maintenance?
Can
the
conservancy
take
over
some
of
the
maintenance,
there's
always
going
to
be
new
ideas
that
are
going
to
be
coming
forth?
That
people
want
to
add
to
the
park.
That's
just
kind
of
the
way.
These
things
work,
they
evolve
over
time,
they'll
be
good.
New
ideas
and
you'll
want
to
refresh
things
and
then
what
is
the
you
know?
C
You
know,
because
we
can
all
go
into
the
marriage
thinking,
it's
gonna
be
perfect
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
you
have
some
issues
that
arise.
What
are
the
remedies?
I'd
rather
know
what
those
remedies
are
on
the
front
end
than
the
back.
E
Mayor
council,
I
think
if
we
can't
frame,
I
mean
as
a
good
starting
point,
to
address
this
control
issue,
but
kind
of
approaching
it
from
a
different
angle.
If
we
could
spend
time-
and
I'm
talking-
you
know,
staff
working
through
this
framing
the
conservancy.
E
What
do
we
want
a
conservancy
to
do
then?
That
will
then
give
us
a
starting
point
in
future
conversations
with
you
all
about
the
control
issue,
because
clearly,
we've
got.
We've
got
the
entertainment
venue
that
has
to
be
managed
and
and
and
taken
care
of,
and
then
we
have
the
rest
of
the
park.
C
F
Yes
mayor,
I
just
to
follow
up
on
what
bill
is
saying.
I
think
you
know
those
six
bullet
points
that
I
I
concluded
the
presentation
on.
Yes
now.
What
I
hear
from
you
is
a
lot
of
sort
of
consistency.
You
know
the
thinking
is
somewhat
similar
to
that
as
we
look
through.
If
you
look
through
bullet
one
and
bullet
two,
you
know
kind
of
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
all
is
that's
kind
of
the
where
we
are
bullet
three
parks
department
maintains
park.
F
I
guess
I
would
be
interested
in
knowing
you
know.
Do
you
kind
of
share
our
belief
at
this
point
that
we
may
not
be
successful
looking
to
a
conservancy
to
maintain
the
park
at
least
initially,
I
would
add
yes
or
no
and
then
leaving
the
primary
role
of
conservancy
programming
and
support
activities.
I
guess
I
would
kind
of
like
to
know
where
you
all,
as
a
as
a
body
are
relative
to
these
points,
and
then
we
won't.
I
agree
with
you.
F
We
don't
have
soup,
but
we'd
like
to
bring
you
back
soup
or
at
least
ingredients
for
soup.
So
you
know
if
I
could
get
a
sense
from
you
all
as
to
whether
you're
you
know
is
that
your
inclination,
or
do
you
think
we're
underestimating
the
conservancy
or
your
expectation
of
a
conservancy.
I
would
kind
of
like
to
hear
that,
and
also
maybe
some
comments
on
who
you
think
should
comprise
a
conservancy.
What
that
kind
of
looks
like
in
your
mind,
just
in
a
general
sense,
doesn't
have
to
be.
F
You
know
perfectly
detailed,
but
maybe
some
of
the
relationships
there
in
the
conservancy.
That
would
be
a
very
helpful
takeaway,
as
we
wrap
up
here
this
morning,.
J
C
J
And
I
think
that
it
has
a
little
more
flesh
on
it
than
the
bullet
points
that
he
had
in
the
in
the
powerpoint,
and
I
think
that
it
sort
of
helps
it
would
help
you
guys
just
to
somewhat
walk
through
some
of
those,
if
not
now
later,
because
it
does
talk
about
those
issues
who
should
be
on
it.
How
do
we
form
it,
and
it
also
addresses
that
there
be
a
base
level
of
city
funding
which
we
had
initially
talked
about
some
years
ago
as
well?
J
F
The
cra
director
put
that
together
as
well,
so
I
know
if
amanda
is
there
to
hit
the
high
points
or
not,
I
would
I
would
defer
to
to
her
and
that's
a
very
good
comment.
Pam.
I
agree
with
you.
D
Amanda
thompson,
sierra
director,
the
the
framework
there
essentially
looked
at
the
what
mr
hallios
had
prepared
from
sarasota.
Their
agreement
also
piedmont
park,
conservancy
in
atlanta,
the
memphis,
tennessee,
riverfront
conservancy,
and
then
the
fairmont
conservancy
in
philadelphia.
And
if
you
look
at
all
their
agreements
and
then
you
pull
out
kind
of
the
policy
decision-making
issues,
that's
what's
included
there,
as
well
as
a
suggested
process
for
how
we
can
all
step
through
to
form
this
conservancy.
D
I
think,
as
you
guys
have
been,
you
know
talking
around
this
issue.
One
of
the
things
we
discussed
as
staff
is
a
conservancy
really
needs
a
source
of
revenue
and
and
we're
a
region
in
which
you
have
the
cma.
You
have
ruth
eckerd
hall,
and
I
know
the
mayor's
wife
works
in
fundraising.
So
one
question
we
have
is
really:
what
is
the
fundraising
landscape
in
this
area?
How
much
money
could
be
generated?
What
kind
of
causes
and
interest
they'd
be
interested
in?
D
So
beyond
the
legal
questions
and
the
framework
that
the
city
attorney
was
mentioning,
we
really
need
more
research
and
time
to
talk
about
the
revenue
possibilities
for
this,
so
that
that
steps
through
some
of
those
questions
as
well.
G
Yeah,
I
had
a
comment
on
you
know
when
we,
when
you
talked
about.
G
G
You
know
what
the
city
would
be
paying
or
contributing
if
anything
at
all
and-
and
I
get
that
you
know
as
I
looked
at
reviewed-
that
document
that
miss
aiken
referenced
so
conservancy
board
members
would
need
to
have
deep
pockets,
but
I
would
also
push
for
if,
if
we
are
not
having
everyday
residence
on
the
conservancy
to
help
balance
what
goes
on
in
the
park
or
at
the
amphitheater
that
we
as
a
city
articulate
how
many
days
a
year
that
amp
theater
is
available
for
residents
like
at
no
cost
or
very
minimal
cost,
or
something
like
that,
because
I
think
my
worst
fear
is
that
a
conservancy
will
get
it.
G
And
you
know-
and
I
know
this
is
great-
for
our
tax
revenue
and
the
economy.
But
you
know,
I
don't
want
it
to
be
overbooked
or
all
the
prime
dates
or
whatever
are
taken
with
outside
events,
and
if
residents
want
to
use
it
for
different
things,
I
think
you
know
they
should
be.
That
should
be
just
as
valued
so
anyway,
I.
B
C
Because
they
can
be
cumbersome,
I
guess
I'd
like
staff
to
do
a
little
bit
more
digging.
I
want
to
do
a
little
more
digging
myself.
C
C
C
C
It
is
helpful
to
have
some
of
those
people
that
do
have
connections
in
deep
pockets.
I
won't
deny
that
fact,
because
these
things
do
cost
money,
but
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
have
you
know,
and
mr
horn,
you
need
to
weigh
in
on
this.
C
C
They
have
a
very
good
active
board
that
goes
out
and
raises
money
that
puts
a
lot
of
sweat
equity
in
down
there.
As
a
as
a
good
example,
I
think
there's
others
around
the
country.
C
E
Speak,
I
think
we
I
think
we
ought
to
take
a
stab
at
that
internally
and
make
sure
we
know
what
we're
doing,
or
at
least
we
know
that
you
all
know
what
we're
doing
and
then
we
can.
If
we
need
to
expand
it
out,
we
can
certainly
do
that,
but
I
would
that's
I'd
like
to
start
out
kind
of
nailing
down.
C
I
would
also
like
to
find
out
about
bad
examples
that
have
occurred
around
the
country,
because
I
think
you
can
learn
as
much
from
a
bad
example
as
a
good
in
avoiding
pitfalls.
Okay,.
H
You
have
any
input,
no,
I
think
the
I.
I
don't
think
we're
ready
to
take
this
off
the
burner
yet,
but
it's
I
think
the
conservancy
has
to
be
a
mixture
of
a
spectrum
of
the
of
our
of
our
community
and
and
I
think.
H
I'm
more
than
I'm
more
than
willing
to
once
we're
able
to
define
exactly
what
we
or
who
we
think
should
be
part
of
the
conservancy
and
put
that
together.
Let
them
almost
let
them
come
up
with
a
a
game
plan
for
us
to
review
and
approve.
You
know
what
are
their
exact
responsibilities
and
you
know
what
are
we
going
to
charge
them
with
an
exp
and
what
are
the
expectations
from
our
end.
C
When
we
actually
form
the
conservancy,
I
want
to
cast
a
pretty
broad
net
on
who
we
would
have
on
it.
And
I
don't
know,
I
think,
there's
a
very
small
group
of
people
right
now
that
are
aware
of
the
topic,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
we're
potentially
missing
and
when
the
day
comes,
when
we
actually,
if
we
choose
to
establish
one,
you
know
there
needs
to
be
some
governance
and
a
process
for
finding
board
members,
and
we
just
need
to
cast
a
really
broad
net.
C
C
In
our
community
that
have
been
intimately
involved
in
a
conservancy
elsewhere
that
could
lend
you
know
really
great
counsel
on
what
works
and
what
does.
C
Not
so,
I
think,
there's
the
tasking.
Mr
horn
is:
let's
flesh
out
some
of
the
details.
Let's
get
some
examples
of
really
successful,
conservancies
and
those
that
have
missed
the
mark.
C
Well,
I
think
this
was.
I
think
this
was
a
dynamite
session
today.
C
Everybody
was
very
forthright
in
their
opinions
on
everything,
and
I
think
we
had
good
discussion,
I'm
looking
forward
to
a
similar
discussion
when
we
sit
down
and
talk
about
philosophy,
I
think
that's
going
to
be
hugely
beneficial
and
I
think
it
will
be
as
beneficial
as
today,
if
not
even
more
so,
although
that
one
I
really
do
want
to
have
in
person,
I.
G
C
To
kind
of
see
the
direction
all
of
us
want
to
go,
so
is
there
anything
for
the
good
of
the
order,
councilmember
beckmann
yeah.
G
We
have
you
know
frequently
or
once
in
a
while,
we
kind
of
miss
the
end
of
our
work
session
agenda
where
it
says
new
business.
So
we
have
item
four
new
business
items
not
on
the
agenda
that
may
be
brought
up
by
asking.
Can
we
schedule
them
and
there
are
two
things
that
I'd
like
to
have
us
think
about
for
a
future
work
session
meeting.
It
doesn't
have
to
be.
G
You
know
next,
the
next
meeting,
but
I'd
like
for
us
to
make
some
time
to
talk
about
the
advisory
board
application
process
and
what
we
look
at
for
people
who
sit
on
those
advisory
boards
and
then
I'm
curious-
and
this
can
be
just
a
you
know
something
that
I
follow
through
on
my
own,
but
I'd
like
to
have
more
knowledge
of
the
analytics
of
the
fire
department
and
the
number
of
calls
that
come
in
what
type
of
calls
what
vehicles
are
sent,
and
I
just
I
just
want
a
better
understanding
of
that,
because,
because
I
I
just
you
know,
I
wonder
about
the
large
vehicles
going
out
on
non-fire
calls.
G
C
B
C
Feel,
like
I
understand
that
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
beneficial
for
the
citizens
to
hear
about
it.
That
would
be
the
benefit,
but
I
think
if
you
actually
go
visit
with
the
fire
department
and
you
go
even
into
a
training
opportunity,
you'll
get
a
better
idea
of
why
they
do
what
they
do.
C
So
is:
is
there
a
desire
to
have
that
conversation
about
vehicles
and
how
they
respond
from
the
other
council
members
council
member
hamilton?
I
I.
H
Don't
I
don't
personally
feel
it
necessary
for
myself,
I've
been
around
the
block
enough
time
to
understand
it
and
it's
it's
a
highly
specialized
profession
to
be
involved
in
and
they
have
protocols
and
they
have
standard
operating
procedures
that
are
are
very
well
established,
based
on
on.
You
know
their
their
history,
so,
but
if
she
want,
if
councilmember
beckman
wants
to
meet
with
chief
ellers,
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
He
can.
H
I
I
agree
that
kathleen
having
a
one-on-one
with
with
the
fire
chief
or
somebody
in
the
department
could
could
go
through.
All
of
that,
but.