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A
Good
morning,
everyone
we
will
call
to
order
the
special
session
for
june
13th.
We
also
have
a
regularly
scheduled
work
session
at
nine
o'clock.
We
clearly
are
not
going
to
get
through
these
presentations
and
q
a
I
am
going
to
take
a
quick
recess
at
nine
to
convene
that
other
meeting
then
we'll
recess
it
come
back
to
wherever
we
are
in
the
presentations.
A
We
have
three
different
groups
that
are
going
to
be
presenting
this
morning.
First
of
all
elevate,
then
gsp
and
then
the
bluffs
each
of
those
groups
are
given
15
minutes
for
the
presentation,
and
then
we
will
go
into
q,
a
of
the
city
council
and
after
that,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
presentation.
A
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
all
three
applicants.
I
think
the
caliber
of
these
submittals
compared
to
the
previous
rfp
are
significantly
better
and
I'm
excited
about
the
prospects
of
this.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
give
the
floor
over
to
elevate,
unless
mr
jennings
has
anything
to
add.
No,
we
should
proceed
with.
C
Good
morning,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
council,
mr
margolis,
thank
you
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
present
our
concepts
for
for
this
project.
My
name
is
larry
deb,
president
of
gsp
development.
I
have
with
me
justin
kimmish
of
smith,
who's.
The
architect
for
us
else,
was
the
architect
at
1100
apex,
I'm
not
up
on
the
screen.
How
do
I
do
that.
C
In
the
rpa
it
said
we
have
any
relevant
experience.
Yes,
we
do.
We
bought
a
dilapidated
skeleton
of
a
building
that
sat
vacant
for
eight
years
and
created
apex
1100,
which
is
right
at
1100
in
cleveland.
So
we
have
a
very
good
feel
for
what's
needed
in
this
marketplace.
What
the
market
will
absorb.
What's
the
occupancy
of
the
market,
what
kind
of
rents
we
can
get
and
what's
the
absorption
rates?
C
You
have
five
main
kind
of
goals
and
they're
listed
here.
They
were
in
the
rfp
we
achieve
every
one
of
those
and
exceed
most
of
them
and
we'll
and
as
I
go
through
it
you'll
see
how
we
do
that.
You
also
have
some
core
considerations
again
they're
in
our
booklet,
but
on
the
left.
Was
the
court
consideration
how
we
exceed
virtually
every
one
of
them?
So
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
kind
of
talk
about
what
we're
going
to
do
and
what
we're
presenting
this
gives
a
feel
for
the
this
is
the
harbor
view.
C
C
Promenade
comes
off
of
cleveland
right
down
this
right
into
the
park
and
what
we're
proposing,
because
we
want
activity
we
want
excitement.
We
want
people
to
hear
this
area
right
here
would
be
a
two-story
indoor,
outdoor
high-end
steak.
Restaurant
on
the
outside
we'd
have
outdoor
dining
outdoor
bar
we'd
have
well
landscaped,
colored
led
lights
in
a
little
area
for
a
band.
C
This
is
slightly
different,
because
your
main
attraction
here
is
the
band
shell
and,
of
course,
our
clear
water
sun
sets
every
night
toward
the
end
of
the
of
the
of
the
bluff.
You'll
be
sitting
there
looking
out
over
the
park
and
listening
to
music.
So
we
think
that
will
be
a
little
bit
calmer.
Maybe
is
the
right
word.
People
spend
more
time
there
because
they
want
to
listen
to
the
bands
and
the
activities
that
are
occurring
in
the
park.
C
Kind
of
a
fun
thing
that
we've
done
in
some
other
practices
would
be
in
this
area.
Here
we
call
them
pop-up
retail
stores.
People
can
run
them
by
the
day
by
the
weekend
by
the
month
and
they're
tailored
to
what's
happening
in
the
park.
For
instance,
if
on
a
saturday
they're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
children's
activities,
someone
might
run
it,
they
have
an
ice
cream
shop,
they'll
be
teenage
kids.
Someone
might
run
it
to
do.
A
hot
dog
stand
there.
Jimmy
buffett's
plan
you'll
get
all
your
parrot
memorabilia
there.
C
C
Parking
was
a
big
thing
for
the
library
we
proposed,
leaving
the
parking
virtually
the
way
it
is
and
building
on
top
of
it.
Now
we
will
tear
down
tear
up
the
parking
lot
put
in
new
curbs
asphalt,
underground
storm
piping,
if
necessary,
all
new
landscaping,
and
then
we
have
a
walkway
from
osceola,
which
is
another
important
component
well
lit
coming
from
osceola
underneath
the
building
to
the
park.
C
We
would
pay
for
all
the
construction
costs
of
this
parking
lot
I'll
get
into
why
we
think
that's
important
later
coming
around
along
osceola.
Very
high
ceiling
retail
along
osceola,
and
then
this
would
be
the
ramp
going
up
to
the
second
floor.
Where
all
of
our
secured
apartment
parking
is
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
it
from
anywhere
around
the
building?
It's
all
enclosed.
C
Going
to
the
the
next
floor,
it's
kind
of
a
u-shaped
111
unit,
building
a
beautiful
deck,
knowing
what
we've
accomplished
at
apex
and
the
quality
of
the
people
that
we
want
there.
You
know
we're
very
specific
on
who
we
run
to.
We
have
every
color
person
every
religion,
every
ethnic
group.
What
they
all
have
in
common,
though,
is
they're
very
wealthy.
The
average
income
of
our
tenants
is
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
That's
who
we
want
down
at
the
at
the
park
they
shop,
they
eat
they
drink
a
lot.
C
So
this
here
is
an
absolute
top
of
the
line,
type
of
apartment
building
in
this
area.
Here
our
pool
area,
we
have
a
pool,
we
have
a
hot
tub.
We
have
a
golf
green.
We
have
a
dining
area
with
grills.
We
have
an
outdoor
pool
table
everything
that
you
can
imagine
an
outdoor
tv
area
and
then
here
we'd
be
looking
out
over
the
bluff,
we're
going
to
have
seating,
so
people
can
kind
of
relax
it
and
listen
to
the
beautiful
music
and
see
all
the
activities
that
are
occurring
at
the
park.
Building
itself.
C
We
don't
use
two
by
fours.
Everything
we
do
is
in
steel,
so
there's
nothing
flammable
in
the
building.
Your
requirement
by
your
coat
is
three
inches
of
acoustical
insulation
between
floors.
We
put
in
six
inches
of
insulation,
nine
foot
ceilings,
all
solid
core
doors,
the
appliances
side-by-side
refrigerators
with
ice
and
water
in
the
door.
C
So
that's
and
I'm
running
fast
and
I
apologize,
but
I
know
I'm
kind
of
on
a
time.
This
gives
kind
of
a
little
breakdown
of
massing,
what
it
would
look
like
and
it's
it's
shorter
too.
We
looked
at
doing
a
taller
building,
even
though
we
have
a
tall
building
to
across
the
street
with
much
smaller
buildings
ourselves.
We
thought
that
this
year
we
didn't
want
to
intimidate
people.
C
We
wanted
people
to
feel
invited
into
the
park,
so
we
kept
it
down
to
about
65,
68
feet
and
and
all
the
goals
that
were
requested
in
the
rfp
we
meet
and
exceed.
This
is
kind
of
an
idea
of
the
look
for
our
two
200
unit:
10
story,
apartment
buildings
and
I'll
start
kind
of
along
osseo.
Here
we
don't
really
think
of
this
as
a
high
retail
area,
although
we
do
have
about
5
000
square
feet
of
retail
here.
C
This
building
here
is
1500
square
feet
that
we're
going
to
build
and
give
out
to
civic
users
not-for-profit
organizations.
Schools
that
want
to
have
you
know:
art
shows
there
anything
that
can
bring
people
that
they
need.
The
council
might
have
some
some
requirements
chamber
of
commerce
places
like
that.
This
will
be
used
for
free
to
anybody
in
that
not-for-profit
or
civic
organization
building
itself,
two
stories
of
parking
one
is
underground.
Second,
one
is
that
grade
can't
see
it
from
any.
C
You
won't
see
any
of
the
cars
that
come
to
the
building,
but
you'll
come
down
and
then
also
along
the
north
side.
Here
we
have
kind
of
a
meandering
sidewalk
that'll
be
well
landscaped,
well
lit
some
artwork
along
there
and
some
seating,
so
people
can
really
feel
invited
into
the
park
from
from
osceola
two
buildings.
Ten
stories
done
in
phases.
C
We
think
here
we'll
absorb
about
18
units
per
month
and
we
want
to
be
100
occupied
in
about
a
year
before
we
sleep
before
we
start
our
second
tower
anything
bigger
than
that
you
run
into
problems,
because
if
you're
600
units
of
800
units
first
tenant
moves
in
by
the
time
their
lease
comes
due
a
year
from
now
they're
still
70,
80
percent
bacon
people
don't
like
to
live
in
a
vacant
building.
So
what
do
you
have
to
do?
You
have
to
lower
your
rents?
C
It
brings
in
kind
of
a
different
crowd
than
what
our
goals
are
here,
so
our
sweet
spot
from
our
marketing
people
is
about
200
units
in
the
first
building
about
a
10
to
12
months
after
we
start
the
first
building
we'd
start
the
second
building
another
200
units.
Again
the
looking
out
over
the
park,
our
pool
area,
think
of
like
a
four
seasons
pool,
but
only
better
more
amenities
in
this
area.
C
In
here
we
have
a
party
room.
It's
not
the
old
fashioned
party
rooms.
This
here
has
a
bar
has
tvs,
have
fireplaces
has
little
cubicles
because
a
lot
of
our
tenants
they
stay
at
home
now
to
work,
so
they
bring
their
computers
down
to
the
pool
they
bring
it
down
to
the
party
room
to
work
all
day,
long
pool
tables
in
there.
C
Also,
next
to
it,
we
have
an
exercise
room
with
the
high
end
exercise
equipment,
a
weight
room,
a
yoga
room,
on-demand
fitness
room,
all
those
type
of
things
that
are
required
for
the
type
of
tenants
that
we're
looking
for.
We
also
have
in
the
outdoor
volleyball
pickle
ball.
I
mean
that
goes
on
a
golf,
simulator
room,
a
dog
run
in
a
dog
wash
area,
so
kind
of
any
amenity.
You
can
think
of.
C
C
When
you
go
to
a
referendum,
ours
is
simple:
here's
a
check,
here's
the
deed.
We
start
construction.
What
we've
seen
other
places
that
get
really
is
well,
we
want
to
tip.
We
want
cash,
we
want.
You
know
low
interest
loans,
things
like
that
that
dirties,
that
makes
it
very
difficult,
I
think,
to
sell
a
referendum
because
the
citizens
saying
well,
I
don't
get
a
rebate
on
my
taxes.
I
didn't
get
cash.
C
In
terms
of
energy
efficiency,
we
built
the
largest
privately
owned
office
building-
that's
totally
geothermal
about
10
years
ago
now,
so
we
understand
efficiencies
in
the
building.
We
will
be
above
silver
on
both
of
our
buildings
here,
and
I
would
ask
that
if
you
would
have
time
to
talk
to
your
village
building
department,
your
building
inspectors,
your
fire
department,
the
relationship
that
we
had
with
them
at
apex
when
we
built
in
how
we
get
along
with
it
and
how
we
feel
ourselves
as
a
team
with
the
with
the
city,
good
example,
is
at
apex.
C
C
C
D
I
do
okay,
okay,
so
there
were
some
of
the
minimum
requirements,
identifying
potential
tenants
and
committing
to
lead
silver,
but
you
just
said
that
you
will
be
above
silver
on
both
buildings
right
so,
but
that
wasn't
you
didn't
include
that
in
your
response.
I.
C
Think
we
actually
sent
an
email
on
top,
but
yes,
we
will
be.
It
is
in
the
record
so.
C
C
We
think
we're
a
little
bit
early
in
the
process.
We
have
quite
an
array
of
retail
that
we
own,
so
we
know
a
lot
of
tenants.
We
own
quite
a
few
restaurants
and
bars
ourselves,
so
we're
very
confident
that
we'll
get
especially
on
the
harvey
site,
we
think
that'll
be
a
very
simple
leasing
up.
I
think
the
city
hall
it's
a
little
bit
out
of
the
way
it's
a
little
different
type
of
retail
user.
D
But
all
right-
and
you
mentioned
high-end,
italian
and
high-end
steakhouse
so
but
we've
done.
C
D
C
Well,
I
was
an
appraiser
in
an
air
press
when
I
got
out
of
school
and
I
read
through
the
mythology
that
he
used.
I
think
it
was
flawed
in
that
he
valued
it
based
on
condominiums
and
he
used
other
locations
in
downtown
clearwater
each
one
that
he
used.
That
was
a
failure,
a
financial
failure
because
they
overpaid
for
the
land
they
built
too
many
units
they
couldn't
sell
them.
Their
proform
was
four
hundred
dollars
a
foot
they
started
selling
at
176
dollars
a
foot.
We
can't
allow
that
to
happen
here.
C
C
D
Okay,
what
you
know
there
were
we
had
like
two
inches
of
documents,
at
least
over
the
weekend.
You
know
three
or
four
days
too
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
I'm
gonna
go
through
at
all.
Well,
so
I
just
wanted
a
couple
of
them.
Had
this
number
that
popped
out
it's
easier
to
read,
but
did
you
state
what
your
internal
rate
of
return
is.
C
G
C
D
D
C
In
chicago
20
has
to
be
affordable,
so
we're
very
used
to
doing
that
within
reason.
Right,
I
personally
believe
20
is
a
little
on
the
high
side.
The
other
comment
I
wanted
to
bring
up
is
that
our
traffic
studies
of
both
ones,
we
felt
that
we're
kind
of
at
the
maximum
number
that
those
streets
can
handle
the
400
at
the
city
hall
site
and
again
the
harbor.
We
didn't
want
to
overdo
it
there.
We
want
that
to
be
inviting
and
bring
people
in.
D
C
Affordable,
that's
typically
much
higher
70
000..
I
mean
we're
not
talking
about
subsidized
housing
right,
we're
talking
about
people
who
work
at
morton
plan
or
professionals
who
work
in
our
city
being
able
to
live
there.
No,
we
have
no
problem
and
we
can
work.
You
know,
but
we
do
want
a
minimum.
We
really
want
to
be
able
to
keep
the
rents
high
and
keep
the
high
income
earners
in
our
buildings.
C
It
varies
are
that
at
apex
we
have
bricks,
restaurant
we're
paying
twenty
dollars
an
hour
for
waiters
and
manager
gets
significantly
more
than
that.
D
And
then
and.
C
D
C
D
C
C
We
typically
will
we'll
do
what
the
market
required.
I
have
a
electric
car,
so
I
understand
that
you
know
like
at
apex.
We
have,
I
think
we
only
have
five
or
six
and
that's
you
know
if
a
tenant
needs
it.
We
absolutely
would
when
then
say
we'll
commit
to
do
whatever
the
market
requires
us
to
do
and
they
just
put
up
20
of
them,
and
you
know
only
use
five
or
something
like
that.
D
C
You're
out
of
time
we
used
to
do
some
wind
powered,
but
they're
too
loud.
We
get
complaints
from
our,
so
we
actually
took
them
down
off
the
top
of
some
of
our
residential
buildings.
Solar.
You
know,
as
you
said,
chicago
doesn't
work
nearly
as
well
as
it
will
down
here
in
florida,
so
we
have
no
yeah.
We
would
commit
to
doing
you
know
solar,
if
that's
important,
but
again
we'll
get
to
close
to
the
gold.
If
not
the
gold
rating.
D
C
C
C
We
have
not,
and
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
darn
good
idea,
what
the
market
is
in
downtown
clearwater
in
terms
of
rental
rates,
absorption
rates
and
what
the
market's
looking
for
most
of
the
hoas
are
slightly
you
know
a
condominium
is
a
lot
different
than
an
apartment
building
in
florida.
It's
an
interesting
statistic.
This,
the
typical
condo
in
florida
is
occupied
less
than
40
percent
of
the
time
the
typical
apartment,
building
high-end
apartment
building
is
occupied,
92
percent
of
the
time.
So
that's
why
we
didn't
talk
about
condos
here.
H
Larry,
I
just
want
to
say
I
know
your
work.
I
appreciate
what
you've
done
with
with
your
property
over
there
and
it's
beautiful
and
I'm
reading
through
your
proposal,
do
you
ever
consider
a
lease
for
a
harborview
site
versus
buying
it
outright?
We've.
C
C
We
owned
a
piece
of
property
right
on
main
street
in
the
in
the
train
station
and
there
was
a
public
parking
lot.
We
went
to
the
village
and
said:
look
it?
Let
us
buy
the
air
rights
and
we'll
redo
the
parking
lot,
so
the
city
said
would
buy
it
for
ten
dollars.
Do
all
the
rehab
of
it,
build
your
building
and
sell
it
back
to
us
for
ten
dollars
the
next
morning.
The
headline
is
village,
gives
a
two
million
dollar
parcel
to
developers
for
ten
dollars.
H
Well,
you
know
one
of
the
questions
on
a
spreadsheet
that
we
have
is
attractive
instead
of
residents
and
you
know
being
through
a
few
referendums
in
the
past.
I
know
that
residents
really
feel
they
need
to
hold
tight
of
the
land
on
the
bluff,
and
I
think
it
not
so
much
city
hall,
but
the
harborview
site
may
be
a
tough
sell
just.
C
You
know
we're
absolutely
not
opposed
to
a
long-term
lease
there
on
either
side
in
chicago,
believe
it
or
not.
The
catholic
church
owns
a
lot
of
downtown
land,
so
some
of
our
buildings
are
actually
on
99-year
leases
with
the
catholic
church,
so
we're
very
familiar
with
it.
We
know
we
can
finance
it,
so
that
would
not
be
a
problem
at
all.
E
I
C
C
C
He
even
said
is
that
some
of
these
were
financial
failures,
because
the
price
of
the
land
was
too
high
again,
the
largest
price
paid
for
apartment
land
was
the
view
at
bel
air
on
19.,
we're
paying
more
on
a
per
square
foot
basis
for
the
land
than
they
paid.
So
I'm
pretty
comfortable
with
our
number
I
mean
we
can
be
flexible
too,
especially
if
we
go
to
a
long-term
land
lease,
we
can
negotiate
that
we're
not
going
to
be
at
17
million
or
whatever.
The
number
was
that
you
mentioned.
C
What
makes
you
unique?
I
haven't
seen
their
other
plans,
I
really
can't
say
they
might
have
really
brilliant
plans,
and
I
congratulate
them.
If
they
do.
We
know
that
this
will
be
successful.
We
know
how
to
do
a
high-end
department
building
in
downtown
clearwater.
We
understand
the
rental,
we
understand
the
absorption,
we
understand
the
amenities
that
you
need
to
be
successful.
C
So
from
our
point
of
view,
and
we
think
it's
the
right
size
too,
we
know
the
traffic
downtown.
You
know
all
those
type
of
things,
that's
how
we
came
up
with
the
numbers
of
units
that
we
have
at
each
location
so,
and
I
think
we've
proven
it
with
apex
that
we
can
pull
off
big
developments.
That
one
was
very
difficult
because
it
was
a
given
building
that
was
square
you'll,
never
see
a
square
apartment,
building
the
rest
of
your
life.
C
C
J
C
C
I
mean
I
that's
kind
of
our
marketing
people
said
retail
wise.
We
have
about
20
000
square
feet
of
retail
in
the
building.
So
it's
not
like.
We
don't
believe
that
retail
can
work.
It's
got
to
be
a
long
osceola.
It's
got
to
be
along
the
promenade
coming
into
the
building
or
right
around
the
corner
for
a
restaurant
looking
out
over
the
bluff.
C
Product
never
sold
an
apartment
building,
yet
not
that
I'm
not
saying
that
I
won't,
but
I
shouldn't
say
I
have
my
kids
on
my
apartment
buildings,
so
you
know
that's
how
old
is
that
oldest
building
14
years
now,
and
that's
why
we
can
build
that's
why
we
do
build
absolute
highest
quality.
You
know
we
could
cheapen
the
skin.
We
could
cheapen
the
glass
you
know
working
with
justin,
he
said
well,
here
are
some
other
alternatives.
We
know
we're
going
to
hold
this
thing
long
term,
so
we
want.
A
A
L
Good
morning
there
you
go
good
morning,
good
morning,
council
members
staff,
I'm
edward
keeping,
I'm
one
of
the
financial
consultants
for
the
smart
city
group
joining
me
today
at
the
podium
are
the
lead
developers
for
the
city
hall
site
steven,
stover
of
eci
group
and
ken
stoltenberg
of
kd
keller.
We
also
have
the
lead
developer
for
the
harborview
site,
steve
burks
of
solaris,
and
then
janelle
branch
and
vicari
kennedy
of
the
smart
city
group,
we're
very
excited
to
present
our
team
and
our
projects
to
you
today.
L
So
a
little
bit
about
elevate
collectively,
the
teams
have
developed
over
15
000
square
feet,
I'm
sorry
50
000
units
of
multi-family,
another
30
000,
affordable
housing
units
and
20
hotels.
You
know
currently
own
over
5700
units,
and
one
of
our
co-developers
is
actually
the
founder
of
sports
illustrated
resorts.
M
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
we're
glad
to
be
here
today
steven
and
I
have
worked
together
for
a
number
of
years
and
developed
a
number
of
buildings
that
have
been
very
successful
in
in
tampa.
This
is
a
this
is
the
basic
concept
of
what
we're
doing
here.
M
Here's
a
rendering
of
the
building
that
we
propose.
This
is
very
similar
to
a
project
that
we
jointly
developed
in
the
channel
district
called
channel
club,
which
had
324
residential
units
and
a
public
supermarket
tampa's.
First
urban
grocery
store.
We
recently
sold
that
development
for
136
million
dollars.
M
Two
pictures
on
your
screen
are
of
the
channel
district
where
I've
been
working
for
19
years,
that's
a
picture
of
it
in
2004.
That's
what
it
looks
like
now.
It
will
from
a
tax
base
of
approximately
37.5
million
dollars
to
over
a
billion
dollars.
It
was
generating
about
235
000
in
revenue
to
the
city
of
tampa
and
the
hillsborough
county.
At
that
time,
it's
now
generating
over
10
million
with
a
market
value
of
over
a
billion.
Those
are
big
numbers.
M
The
timeline
for
our
project
is:
if
we
are
selected
and
the
referendum
passes,
we
would
start
construction,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
2023.
It's
about
a
30-month
construction
process.
We
would
hope
to
have
the
building,
completed
and
ready
for
occupancy.
Second,
the
third
quarter
of
2025..
We
have
asked
for
some
incentives.
M
N
N
N
So
we're
really
excited
to
bring
a
proven
concept
from
the
channel
district
that
we
work
with
ken
to
develop
to
to
this
area.
Ken
has
a
lot
of
experience,
developing
and
overseeing
retail
oriented
facilities.
We
bring
more
of
the
multi-family
side,
so
we're
really
excited.
M
One
last
thing
about
the
retail:
I
believe,
you've
all
seen
my
project
grand
central
kennedy
in
the
channel
district.
It
is
a
exemplar
of
how
you
do
urban
retail
and
make
it
vibrant,
make
it
exciting
and
make
people
want
to
live
there
and
enjoy
it.
We've
got
a
couple
hockey
games
coming
up
wednesday,
friday
and
sunday.
I'd
invite
you
all
to
come
to
grand
central
kennedy
and
see
what's
going
on
there.
M
L
All
right,
so
I
will
speak
about
the
celerique
music
hotel
on
our
harborview
site,
so
we're
proposing
200
keys.
It's
going
to
be
a
soft
brand
music
themed
hotel,
with
a
focus
on
jazz
to
incorporate
with
our
jazz
holiday
festival
that
we
have
here.
It's
going
to
be
approximately
210
000
gross
square
feet.
We
will
have
a
lot
of
different
hospitality
options
and
amenities,
and
this
hotel
is
another
playoff,
some
of
the
hotels
we're
doing
in
orlando
and
daytona
currently
burks.
You
want
to
come
up
and.
O
I
am
a
chief
development
officer
for
safety,
west
development
and
we're
active
in
a
lot
of
opportunity
zones
around
the
country,
we're
doing
about
700
million
dollars
in
opportunity
zones
right
now,
we're
doing
at
kempton
in
greenville,
south
carolina,
ritz,
carlton
and
buckhead
very
adept
at
the
hospitality
space.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
years
with
disney
development,
ritz,
carlton
and
marriott,
but
we
have
a
jazz
theme
here:
working
collaboration
with
clearwater
jazz.
O
O
L
Intro
there
thanks
great,
thank
you.
So
next
we'll
bring
up
janelle
branch
to
talk
about
the
harborview
site
regarding
renewability
and
all
of
our
other
concepts.
F
Good
morning,
council,
mayor
attorney
and
manager,
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
lean
into
that
word.
Imagine
you
asked
your
community
to
basically
envision
what
they
would
like
to
see
for
their
community,
and
so
we
listen
to
our
community.
What
I
imagine
is
waking
up
a
park
place
going
downstairs
getting
locally
sourced
fruit.
I
imagine
calling
my
friends
to
bring
their
families
to
essentially
run
through
those
arches
as
they
light
up
and
tell
the
history
of
our
community.
F
I
imagine
walking
on
osceola
and
watching
those
prints
of
essentially
all
of
the
remarkable
musicians
who
would
have
played
at
the
amphitheater.
I
imagine
going
up
to
the
smart
flower
and
learning
about
green
print,
as
I
interact
with
it
with
my
smartphone,
I
imagine
buskers
and
artists
and
typewriter
poets,
interacting
with
our
everyday
people.
You
asked
us
to
imagine
lean
into
that
word.
F
You
asked
us
to
be
responsible
with
our
environment,
and
so
we
have
factored
in
a
lot
of
ev
charging
stations.
This
project
is
future-proofed.
We
have
put
significant
solar
on
this
project.
We
also
have
a
drone
landing
pad
in
the
next
three
to
five
years.
We
are
expected
to
see
drone
taxis
essentially
be
one
of
the
primary
multimodal
components
I
think
within
even
the
tampa
bay
area.
I
believe
saint
pete
and
tampa
are
currently
piloting
those
projects.
F
So,
let's
be
a
part
of
that
regional
development,
let's
lean
into
the
fabric
of
our
community
as
we
weave
in
basically
all
of
these
innovative
solutions,
you
want
to
bring
density.
We
want
to
make
essentially
meaningful
and
memorable
experiences.
Let
us
give
our
community
an
identity
that
is
critical.
Let
us
bring
diversity.
Our
team
is
made
up
of
a
lot
of
women
a
lot
of
people
of
color,
and
these
things
are
very
important
lean
into
the
things
that
you
stand
behind.
Thank
you.
L
So
before
I
let
bakari
jump
into
some
of
our
sustainability
efforts,
I
just
want
to
re
review
our
financial
offer.
We
are
proposing
a
65-year
ground
lease
with
an
option
to
renew
for
30
years,
and
we've
currently
got
to
price
that
three
percent
of
of
our
operating
profit
under
our
current
assumptions.
That
should
yield
about
23
million
to
the
city
over
the
65
years,
and
if
we
renewed
for
the
other
30
years,
it
would
yield
34
million
so
going
to
turn
it
over
to
bakari.
P
Well,
thank
you
evan
good
morning,
everyone.
My
name
is
bakari
kennedy.
I
am
president
and
owner
of
construction
dynamics,
we're
a
local
general
contractor
sustainability
and
wellness
experts,
as
well
as
the
diversity
manager
for
the
elevate
group
janelle's
imagination.
It
is
my
responsibility
to
put
that
in
place,
we're
very
excited
to
work
with
smart
city
group.
P
We
are
very
focused
on
smart
tech
and
making
sure
they
have
the
amenities,
such
as
the
drone
landing
pads,
the
electric
bikes,
solar
charging
stations
and
really
an
overall,
very
eco-friendly
environment
plants
that
clean
the
air
food
forest
music
therapy,
more
ev
charging
stations.
These
will
be
all
part
of
the
elevate
overall
plan.
P
When
I
first
achieved
my
lead
ap
over
10
years
ago,
the
focus
was
strictly
on
the
buildings
low
vocs
from
paint
no
formaldehydes
construction
recycling,
maybe
a
few
renewables.
Nowadays.
We
know
that
we
can
meet
the
lead,
silver
certifications,
but
wellness
and
sustainability
has
grown,
has
grown
even
greater
than
just
the
building
itself.
We
are
looking
at
standards
for
physical,
mental,
emotional
and
the
overall
social
environment.
P
We
want
our
guests,
our
construction
workers,
the
residents
in
the
areas
to
have
a
better
overall
experience
in
clear
water,
the
food,
the
nature,
the
music,
the
overall
health
and
sustainability
is
very,
very
important
and
I'm
proud
to
see
how
lead
and
wellness
has
grown
over
the
past
10
years
growing
up
in
the
tampa
bay
area.
I
was
a
track
guy.
I
remember
running
the
clearwater
relays
at
clearwater
high
school
and
they
had
a
rubberized
track.
P
That
was
innovation.
We
knew
that
running
at
that
clearwater
track.
We
could
do
our
very
best.
This
elevate
group
is
very
genuine
in
their
thought
to
make
sure
that
they
are
bringing
the
very
best
to
clearwater
local
small
businesses.
Like
myself,
minority
women-owned
businesses,
we
will
generate
the
energy
to
bring
those
small
companies
out
here
to
not
just
bid
on
the
projects,
but
to
be
part
of
this
entire
plan.
P
F
So
again,
I'm
going
to
lean
into
the
experience
we
wanted
to
create
something
that
was
multi-generational.
I
listen
to
what
you
all
say.
Every
day
you
talk
about
again
the
fabric
of
our
community.
It
has
to
be
diverse,
it
has
to
be
forward
thinking
and
when
you
think
of
music
music
crosses
cultures,
it
crosses
generations,
it
crosses
ages.
As
you
can
see,
I'm
very
passionate
about
this
because
it's
it's
evident
that
we
have
put
together
a
purposeful
and
intentional
design
for
our
community.
We
are
rooted
hair.
F
We
are
invested
hair,
another
company
that
I'm
a
part
of
we've
brought
over
200
businesses,
new
businesses
startups
to
this
community.
Mr
stoltenberg's
project
is
geared
at
incubators.
It's
geared
at
culinary
in
for
innovation.
You
all
talk
about
international
cuisine
and
experiences.
What
about
changing
experiences
so
that
every
time
we
visit
clearwater
there's
something
new
there's
something
to
explore.
I
ask
you
to
lean
into
the
words
that
you
all
mention:
sustainability,
innovation,
diversity
and
choose
the
right
team
again.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
are
elevated.
D
Let
me
start
again
sure:
okay,
well,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and-
and
I
love
that
energy
and
and
commitment
to
you-
know
a
lot
of
your
sustainability
features.
You
know
that
I
advocate
for
those
things,
so
I
really
like
your
discussion
of
the
sustainability
features.
The
solar
flower
is
kind
of
cool.
D
D
I
really
have
some
questions
and
concerns
about
your
financial
offer
and
the
extensive
incentives
you're
requesting.
I
have
followed
up
with
our
city
staff,
about
getting
some
valuations
on
those.
Your
offer
and
development
seems
to
me
to
be
the
most
complex,
with
two
different
developers
and
rent
and
our
lease
and
buy
and
all
that
stuff.
But
so
you
purchase
the
city
hall
at
appraised
value
of
17.5,
and
then
you
have
the
proposal
to
lease
harbor
view
equivalent
to
three
percent
of
operating
profit.
D
L
I'm
sorry,
I
thought
I
stated
it
over
the
65
years.
The
current
assumption
be
that
it
would
yield
23
million
to
the
city
and
then,
if
we
extended
that
would
go
up
to
34
million.
D
L
Yeah-
and
you
know,
obviously
we
want
to
be
respectful
of
the
city's
concerns
of
not
selling
that
property.
That's
why
we
went
with
the
ground
lease
and
we
figured
that
three
percent
of
you
know
operating
margin.
The
hotel
does
well,
the
city
will
continue
to
do
well,
we
think
it's
economically
feasible
and
obviously
ken
and
his
team
can
speak
to
you
know
the
purchase
of
city
hall,
but
we
just
wanted
to
be
respectful
of
you
know
the
city's
desires
to
to
not
liquidate
that
property.
Okay,.
D
L
That's
the
longest
legally
hospital.
What.
D
N
B
N
We
regularly
oversee
the
environmental
remediation
of
sites,
but
this
is
a
facility
that
you
all
own,
we
just
weren't
exactly
sure,
but.
D
D
Land
will
be
purchased
after
five
years.
The
city
has
to
wait
for
our
money.
We
have
to
wait
five
years
for
our
money
purchase
that
current
appraised
value,
so
not
the
value
in
five
years.
So
I
need
to
understand
the
value
of
this
incentive
that
you
get
to
have
that
property
for
five
years
when
we
don't
get
any
money.
So
what's
you
know
what
interest
are
we
losing
investment?
What
you
know?
What's
the
value
of
that.
M
Well,
the
the
value
is
the
time
cost
value
of
that
money,
and
if
we
had
to
go
borrow
that
from
a
bank
could
say
five
percent,
that's
our
savings
over
that
period
of
time.
We
also
thought
it
was
in
the
city's
best
interest
to
retain
an
interest
in
the
property,
though
subordinate
to
the
construction
lender.
So
the
building
actually
gets
built
and
the
property
is
not
sold
undeveloped.
M
You
don't
trade
it
until
you
get
what
we've
promised
you.
So
that's
the
value,
so
the
improvements
would
be
made.
Yes
and
I'll
speak
to
the
parking
test,
but
I
think
that's
where
you're
going
to
go
next,
which
is
fine,
we're
proposing
5
million
dollars
from
the
city,
parking
bank
and
or
cra
funds
to
build
about
200
spaces
for
the
retail
we're
proposing
that
we
split
the
parking
revenue
with
the
city,
50
50
for
40
years.
We're
amenable
to
lengthening
that
time.
M
If
that's
something
that
you
guys
would
like
to
see,
but
we
think
that
can,
in
the
end,
be
a
profit
center
for
the
city
for
a
long
period
of
time,
and
we
know
that
to
have
the
retail
be
successful.
You've
got
to
build
enough
parking,
I
did
it
at
grand
central
and
it
worked
a
lot
of
the
other
properties
in
the
channel
district
didn't
and
the
retail
sat
vacant
for
over
a
decade.
D
Okay,
but
just
to
be
clear,
I
don't
have
a
number
yet
at
the
value
of
the
incentive
of
you
not
paying
for
five
years
and
that
you'll
will
lock
in
the
current
valuation.
Whatever
our
agreed
upon
price
is,
but
you
don't
you,
don't
pay
us
anything
for
until
five
years
from
now.
So
I
just
want
to
know
the
value
of
that
incentive.
B
So
right
now,
what
we're
working
with
is
usually
properties
become
assessed
at
85
percent
of
what
the
project
cost.
The
construction
cost
is
so
we're
running
some
very
high
level
numbers,
but
that
wouldn't
be
a
you
know
a
perfect
answer
right,
so
we'll
be
able
to
get
that
to
you.
You
know
today
or
tomorrow.
D
D
Again,
what's
the
anticipated
value
of
that
and
again,
I
guess
it
depends
on
what
you
imagine
there,
as
what
do
you
want
to
see
between
your
property
and
water's
edge,
and
how
much
is
that
going
to
cost
if
you're
asking
for
it
as
an
incentive.
F
Yeah,
it's
primarily
the
can.
F
So
it's
primarily
the
parking
is
what
we're
looking
at
so
you're,
going
to
be
removing
some
parking
that
essentially
kensite
is
going
to
be
providing
for
both
sites
in
some
regard.
So
that's
really
where
we
see
that
reimbursement
coming
in
the
city
is
losing
parking,
we're
essentially
accommodating
that
parking.
D
Okay,
again,
numbers
additional
unit
and
fire
density
from
the
city's
density
bank
overall,
far
of
5.25
again
value
of
that.
M
D
And
then
you're
asking
for
five
million
dollars
from
the
city
for
parking
for
on-site
parking
of
200
spaces
that
and
here's
some
interesting
language.
I
just
wanted
some
clarification.
On-Site
parking
of
200
spaces
will
will
quote,
be
utilized
by
customers
of
retail
and
made
accessible
for
individuals
visiting
the
park.
So,
first
of
all,
it
seems
to
me
that's
a
big
ask
of
five
million
dollars.
D
You
know
to
be
reimbursed
for
the
parking
that
you're
you're
going
to
be
building,
but
what's
the
difference
between
how
does
that
work
with
the
spaces
200
are
utilized
by
customers?
Sure
I
can
explain
that
made
accessible.
M
What
we're
proposing
is
exactly
what
I've
done
at
grand
central
for
the
past
15
years.
The
parking
is
free
for
the
first
two
hours.
If
somebody
wants
to
go
to
a
restaurant,
that's
at
the
project
they
can.
If
they
want
to
go
to
the
park
and
not
go
to
the
restaurant,
they
can
it's
free
for
the
first
two
hours
for
everyone.
M
If,
after
that,
there
would
be
a
charge
for
it,
and
that
would
be
an
appropriate
market-based
charge
and
we're
saying
that
that
revenue
from
the
garage
would
be
split
with
the
city
to
offset
the
five
million
dollars
for
a
period
of
40
years.
What
does
that
mean?
Well,
I
can
tell
you
what
it
means
at
grand
central.
The
garage
makes
just
over
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
month.
What
it
doesn't
have
is
the
marvelous
event
venue
that
you're
building
right
next
to
you
could
easily
double
that
with
event
revenue.
M
The
city
could
easily
make
a
quarter
million
dollars
a
year
from
the
arrangement
that
we're
proposing
on
the
parking
garage.
The
parking
garage
could
be
a
net
winner
for
the
city.
That's
whenever
we've
asked
for
something
in
dollars,
we
may
have
asked
for
more,
but
we've
always
given
something
back,
that's
our
kind
of
how
we
do
business
so
this
project,
our
estimates,
will,
in
year
11
generate
about
3.7
million
dollars
in
tax
revenue
for
the
city
and
the
county,
and
that's
a
big
number.
D
F
Yes,
we
have
partners
that
we're
working
with
right
now
that
have
the
capability
to
do
that.
So
that's
one
of
those
smart
infrastructure
pieces
that
we're
baking
into
this.
D
F
So
one
of
the
things
that
the
rfp
called
for
was
to
sort
of
bring
the
bluff
and
that
development
throughout
the
downtown
area
you're
asking
for
vibrancy.
We,
it
is
critical
that
we
essentially
focus
on
the
connectivity
with
cleveland
street
as
well
and
osceola,
to
sort
of
activate
that
space.
You
can
have
a
lot
of
body
so
we're
thinking
smaller
events,
essentially
when
there
is
not
an
event
or
a
large
scale,
event
happening
at
the
amphitheater,
with
our
collaboration
with
clearwater
jazz
holiday.
F
Their
mission
basically
is
to
give
the
youth
a
stage
we're
seeing
that,
as
being
mostly
the
type
of
events
that
we
want
to
host,
we
want
to
be
able
to
highlight
their
talent
on
a
regular
basis.
They
would
essentially
get
some
space
we're
working
through
what
that
relationship
could
look
like
that.
They
can
play
there
regularly
and
then
everything
else
in
the
park
area
or
by
the
plaza
that
we
anticipate
would
be
just
filled
with,
like,
I
said,
different
type
of
street
artists
and
yeah.
F
So
outside
we
also
have
an
event
venue,
it's
a
wedding
and
conference
space.
So
essentially
we
probably
would
be
putting
on
a
couple
different
types
of
performances,
there's
also
a
speakeasy.
We
anticipate
a
lot
of
spoken
nights.
We
anticipate
some
plays
ken
stoltenberg
has
done
even
a
stage
in
his
other
developments.
So
that's
why
we
come
with
a
mix
of
different
teams,
it's
sort
of
critical
to
bring
each
component
and
collaborate
and
make
sure
that
it's
applicable
and
workable
within
this
particular
community
or
development.
D
D
F
F
F
D
Did
you
reach
out
to
any
hoa
neighborhoods
things
like
residents
to
shape
your
plan
and
do
you
plan
to
reach
out
to
them
between
now
and
thursday?
At
all?
We
absolutely.
F
Will
be
reaching
out
to
them?
We
have
already
been
in
communication
with
water's
edge.
Obviously,
this
development
abuts
their
property,
we're
directly
adjacent
to
it.
We
have
discussed
as
well
the
developments
with
the
downtown
merchants,
of
course,
we're
getting
an
influx
of
retail
and
food
and
beverage.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
concepts
are
complementary
to
them
and
other
neighborhoods
will
be,
of
course,
briefed
on
this
as
well.
F
Our
team
is
also
fully
prepared
to
work
towards
the
referendum
and
to
cover
the
cost
that
would
be
necessary
to
market
these
developments.
E
So
I
went
and
see
the
development
in
tampa,
so
I
can
actually
have
something
to
feel
and
see.
One
of
the
things
that
struck
me
was
the
sense
of
community
that
can
you
build
so
my
question
is
since
imagine:
clearwater
is
a
vastly
different
environment.
Can
you
replicate
that
success
of
community
that
you
did
in
tampa,
because
that
was
the
busiest
gym
I've
ever
seen,
and
that
was
the
most.
E
M
Well,
the
outdoor
component
that
we
have
at
grand
central
is
exactly
what
we're
proposing
in
a
larger
fashion
here
to
interface
with
the
park
in
the
first
lightsaber.
The
first
thing
we
did
is
a
wind
study
and
that's
going
to
tell
us,
the
conditions
are
going
to
be
different
here,
but
you
have
to
do
that
first
to
make
it
usable.
We
went
from
that
courtyard
and
you've
all
been
there
having
been
about
10
usability
to
about
90
usability.
M
If
you'd
have
been
there
saturday
night
you'd
have
seen
you
know,
hundreds
of
people
having
a
great
time
watching
the
lightning
wing.
So
we
think
that
the
placement
of
our
building
next
to
the
park,
which
is
fantastic,
what
you
guys
are
doing,
we
know
how
to
work
and
integrate
those
public
spaces
with
with
our
building
and
a
lot
of
people
talk
about
sustainability,
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
I
see
in
sustainability
is
making
outdoor
spaces
usable.
M
So
people
spend
a
lot
more
time
outside
we're
experts
at
that,
and
I
think
we
can
do
it
and
the
proof
is
in
the
pudding.
We
did
it
in
tampa.
It's
not
just
this
building.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
this
building
is
going
to
pave
the
way
for
10
others
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
that's
really
where
the
money
is
and
that's
why.
I
think
you
should
consider
our
group,
because
we've
done
it
right
next
door
and
as
far
as
the
referendum
is
concerned,
we
can
take
the
citizens
here
right
across
the
bridge
and
show
them.
E
I
Not
a
question,
but
I
I
enjoyed
the
tour
of
of
grand
central.
I
thought
it
was
a
terrific
place.
I
even
loved
the
fact
that
there
was
a
a
small
theater
live
theater
in
there
and
it
would
be
a
great
asset
for
the
city
if
not
on
one
of
these
spots,
maybe
on
the
aquarium
property.
H
Yes,
just
a
couple
of
comments:
first,
I
love
your
design.
I
like
the
hotel.
H
I,
like
your
art,
music
theme-
I
mean
we've,
we've
been,
you
know
talking
about
this
for
a
while
about
having
a
music
theme,
and
you
know
we
have
an
amphitheater.
So
what
better
thing
to
have
than
a
music
themed
hotel.
H
I,
like
your
sustainability
components
and
ken.
I
like
the
wind
study,
because
when
we
met
over
there
in
tampa,
I
mean
we
had
a
storm
of
epic
proportions
and
you
and
I
just
sat
kind
of
out
of
the
rain
and
nothing
was
there-
was
no
wind
and
no
no
water
and
we
were
kind
of
outside
under
some.
You
know
very.
That
was
very
good.
So
my
concern
is
this,
though
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
that's
going
to
be
the
hardest
thing
for
us
is
selling
this
on
a
referendum.
H
You
have
a
very
complex
ask
and
you
know
I
went
down
through
it.
I
know
that
council
beckman
asked
questions.
I
being
a
builder,
I
kind
of
filled
them
in
looks
like
your
ass
is
around
67
million
dollars
over
the
course
of
the
whole
thing.
With
I
mean,
and
it's
very
complex,
it's
not
just
a
few
things
and,
as
you
know,
was
said
earlier,
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
need
to
look
at
is
how
do
we
sell
this
to
the
public
when
the
referendum
comes?
We
got
75
words.
Q
We
have
75
words
for
a
ballot
summary
15
words
for
a
valid
title.
H
H
M
M
I
apologize
if
we're
certainly
willing,
if
we're
selected,
to
sit
down
with
you
and
look
point
by
point.
You
have
our
pro
forma
we're
happy
to
move
the
numbers
around.
However,
you
would
like
to
simplify
this
in
a
way
that
would
make
it
more
palatable
for
the
referendum.
We're
certainly
willing
to
do
that.
Our
ask
is
simply
based
on
how
we
get
to
the
return
on
cost
that
we
need
to
attract
the
capital
to
build
it.
Yeah
and.
A
Talk
about
your
work
chart
because
there's
a
lot
going
on
here.
It's
it's
pretty
complex
and
I
I
mean
I
see
different
percentages,
I'm
assuming
that's
the
investment,
for
instance
on
the
city
hall,
but
a
lot
of
team
members.
A
Sometimes
when
you
have
a
lot
of
team
members,
it
adds
strength.
Sometimes
it
adds
confusion.
I'd
like
you
to
address
that
kind
of
clarify
it.
For
me,.
M
Yes,
I
can
speak
to
that.
Eci
group
would
be
the
lead
developer,
they
would
be
the
managing
general
partner
and
they
would
make
all
the
financial
decisions
for
the
property.
As
far
as
the
actual
construction
selecting
you
know,
contractors,
architects,
that
type
of
thing.
This
will
be
my
third
transaction
with
eci.
M
I
would
be
in
charge
of
the
actual
retail
development,
because
that's
my
specialty,
so
if
you're
looking
from
an
overcharge
standpoint,
look
to
eci
there,
you
know
stephen
has
gone
over
what
their
qualifications
and
experience
are
and
they've
performed
in
this
marketplace
on
multiple
occasions
successfully.
So
the
smart
cities
group
would
help
us
with
the
tasks
that
are
oriented
on
the
org
chart,
but
from
from
an
overcharge
standpoint,
you've
got
eci,
kd
keller
and
smart
cities.
A
M
Eci,
smart
cities
and
katie
keller
are
the
players
from
say
architect
to
contractor.
Let
me
explain
our
methodology
on
that
and
that's
important.
This
has
to
go
to
a
referendum
in
november.
We
have
to
look
at
the
capacity
of
certain
firms
at
the
time
that
we
know
we're
going
to
build
this
thing
and
that
would
select
affect
our
selection
of
those
folks.
For
example,
if
you're
selecting
a
general
contractor
right
now,
they
may
get
four
or
five
jobs
in
the
next
six
months
that
they
don't
know
about.
M
A
Leave,
first
of
all,
I
understand
all
the
council
members
came
and
visited
your
project
over
in
tampa.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
fact
that
you
are
very
gracious
with
your
time.
They
are
dynamite
projects
over
there,
so
it's
nice
to
actually
see
them.
I
think
that's
a
huge
benefit
talk
about
potentially
a
supermarket
in
one
of
the
projects
I
mean
with
the
publix
that
is
over
on
fort
harris.
M
Well,
honestly,
that
we
said
that
in
the
proposal
that
downtown
clearwater
really
has
some
nice
pieces
already
in
place
that
the
channel
district
didn't
have
you've
got
a
downtown
publix
you've
got
a
cvs.
You've
got
a
walgreens
already
here
that
are
within
three
blocks:
three
or
four
blocks
of
the
city
hall
site.
M
M
It
could
accommodate
that
the
other,
the
other
outfit
that
is
looking
at
the
at
the
space
on
osceola
is
crunch
fitness,
because
I
have
a
relationship
very
good
relationship
with
jeff
dyer
and
to
follow
up
on
that
three
of
the
16
restaurants
that
were
recently
nominated
for
the
michelin
awards
have
submitted
letters
of
interest
for
this
site
because
they
see
what
we've
done
at
grand
central.
They
love
the
courtyard
and
they
want
more
of
it.
M
M
So
we're
saying
is
the
more
value
that
we
can
create
the
more
money
that
is
going
to
go
back
to
the
city
and
again
it
is
just
the
question
of
how
we
get
to
our
return
on
cost
as
the
rents
go
up
the
abatement
burns
off,
but
we're
not
asking
this
the
the
citizens
of
clearwater
to
write
it
to
quote,
write
a
check
for
anything
except
the
additional
parking
and
we're
sharing
the
revenue,
and
we
think
that
can
be
spun
and
sold
as
positive.
We're
not
asked
to
say,
hey
just
build
the
parking.
M
Let
us
make
the
money
we're
splitting
at
50
50
for
40
years,
we're
amenable
to
extending
that
period
of
time.
If
that's
something
that,
if
we
are
selected
we
negotiate
about,
I
want
to
make
we
have
to
build
enough
parking
for
the
retail
anybody
who
comes
in
here
and
says
we're
going
to
build
a
bunch
of
retail
and
have
zero
parking.
M
A
Talk
to
me
about
your
mess
financing
you're
the
only
ones
that
talk
about
using
mezzanine
financing.
Where
do
we
speak
about
mezzanine
financing?
It's
in
one
of
your
slides.
I
don't
have
the
chapter
and
verse,
but
it's
in
here
so.
D
Yeah
I
one
file
based
on
your
question,
so
you
when
mayor
hibbert,
asked
what's
your
definition
of
tax
abatement
and
you
said
well
with
a
referendum,
we'll
take
a
portion
of
what
we
create.
Rather
than
take
money
from
taxpayers,
more
money
will
go
back
to
the
city.
You
want
to
cover
a
return
on
your
cost.
Clearwater
will
not
write
a
check
except
for
additional
parking
and
then
share
revenue.
Well,
tax
abatement
just
means
you
know
you
don't
have
to
pay
us
before.
D
D
And
then,
but
we
give
you
five
million
for
parking
and
then
share
revenue,
50
50
for-
and
I
think
that
was
you
know-
net
not
grow
or
yeah
but
anyway,
and
share
revenue,
50
50
for
parking
for
40
years.
Well,
I'd
like
to
know
you
know:
when
do
we
break
even
with
the
5
million
we
gave
you
do
we
break
even
at
the
end
of
40
years,
or
you
know.
M
What
I
mean
based
on
based
on
my
experience
and
what
we've
seen
at
grand
central
you
would
be
paid
the
money
back,
probably
in
seven
to
ten
years,
and
then
the
additional
funds
for
the
next
30
years
would
be
a
would
be
a
benefit
to
the
city.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
this
will
make
the
city
money.
It
just
gets
our
return
on
costs
to
where
we
need
it
to
be
by
taking
it
out
of
the
front
end.
D
A
Thank
you
all.
So,
just
a
couple
things
you
know
they
were
asking
for
a
different
additional
floor
area
ratio.
A
A
A
A
A
So
there
is
going
to
be
some
give
and
take
in
this
entire
process,
and
I
just
want
people
to
remember
that,
as
as
we
go
forward.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
right
now,
sorry
to
gotham
we're
going
to
hold
off
for
a
couple
minutes
we're
going
to
recess
this
work
session.
I
am
going
to
call
to
order
the
regular
work
session
for
one
moment
to
get
mayor,
chapaz
bojowski
out
of
here
so
she's,
not
here
all
morning,
even
though
I
would
love
to
stretch
this
moment.
A
But
let's,
let's
recess
the
special
work
session,
we'll
be
back
in
about
five
minutes:
five
ten
minutes
and
then
we'll
finish
with
the
last
presentation,
and
I
will
call
to
order
this
work
session
for
june
13th
and
I'm
going
to
go
first
to
approval
of
the
minutes
for
the
pension
trustees.
A
R
Good
morning,
council
members
mayor
city
manager,
nice
to
meet
you,
I
haven't,
met
you
in
person
yet
so
welcome,
even
though
you've
been
here
for
a
while
in
city
clerk,
my
name
is
julie,
warbuchelski,
mayor
of
dunedin,
and
this
is
a
parts
and
rec
director
vince
gizzy,
who
is
our
liaison
to
the
toronto
blue
jays?
As
you
all
know,
as
a
city
with
spring
training,
you
know
how
important
it
is
for
pinellas
county
to
have
spring
training
and
a
strong
relationship
and
something
we
started
back
in
the
I
don't
know.
R
R
R
He
was
so
excited
his
first
marriage
challenge
in
a
while
anyway,
and
of
course,
next
year
we'll
be
coming
to
you,
and
I
would
love
for
us
to
kick
your
butts
on
your
own
turf.
I
mean
there's
nothing
better
right,
but
I
mean
I
think
the
bigger
messages
is
that
we
want
to
continue
with
our
teams
here
in
in
the
county
and
and
promote
our
economic
diversity.
R
You
can't
put
all
your
eggs
in
one
basket
and
certainly
spring
training
doesn't
cover
everything,
but
it
offers
us
a
huge
attraction
to
our
county
and
it's
really
important,
I
don't
mind
wearing
the
red,
because
I
want
the
phillies
to
be
here
just
as
much
as
I
thought
and
wanted
the
blue
jays
to
be
here.
So
thank
you,
mayor
hibbard,
for
being
such
a
good
sport.
He
came
down
to
the
mayor's
challenge
and
helped
me
throughout
the
first
pitch.
R
R
So
I'd
like
to
present
you
again
with
the
annual
dunedin
yeah,
but
the
annual
dunedin
clearwater
mayor's
challenge
cup,
which
is
the
toronto
blue,
jays
versus
the
philadelphia
phillies
you
guys
get
to
hold
it
this
year,
put
it
in
a
prominent
place,
so
you
can
make
fun
of
us,
because
I
will
do
the
same
next
year.
So
mayor.
R
R
R
A
R
I
think
you
all
alone
ought
to
know
my
son
and
hopefully
will
graduate
at
the
end
of
the
year
from
college
with
a
sports
management
degree,
because
we
have
so
many
teams
in
this
area,
so
it's
an
up-and-coming
degree
path
for
folks,
and
so
it's
not
just
about
you,
know
spring
training
or
the
365-day
operation
for
economic
booster,
but
it
is
about
jobs
and
I
think
that's
really
important
for
people
to
know.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Good
morning
we
will
reconvene
the
special
work
session.
Several
people
saw
the
presentation
of
the
mayor's
cup,
which
clearwater
the
phillies
beat
the
blue
jays
in
our
game,
and
some
people
saw
me
stand
up.
I
am
in
shorts.
A
I've
got
the
anchor
look
today.
You
know
jacking
up
top
shorts
on
the
bottom.
I
have
my
knee
replaced
last
tuesday,
so
not
putting
pants
on
yet
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
turn
the
podium
over
to
gotham.
S
It's
hard
to
believe
that
it's
over
20
years
ago,
when
the
city
went
through
this
proposal
before
and
personally,
it's
so
exciting
for
me
to
see
the
city
embark
in
this
process
as
a
lifetime
resident
of
clearwater
and
being
here
and
growing
up
here,
to
see
these
opportunities
and
know
that
this
is
what
downtown
clearwater
can
be
is
very
exciting
and
it
made
it
even
better
to
know
that.
I
could
be
here
on
behalf
of
gotham
and
denunzio
to
very
well
qualified,
extremely
visionary
developers
who
would
like
to
bring
their
services
to
downtown
clearwater.
N
T
First
of
all,
thanks
for
everybody
here,
okay,
I
don't
know
if
I'm
gonna
be
crossing
anything,
though
I'm
sorry,
okay
morning,
again,
thanks
so
much
for
for
hearing
what
we
have
to
say,
and
so
I
got
from
organization
where
108
year,
old,
five
generation
of
picket
family
run
company,
mostly
based
in
in
new
york
city,
with
a
couple
things
that
we've
done
outside
of
it.
T
So
I
thought
I'd
address
the
end
of
the
elephant
in
the
room
and
say
and
answer
the
question
of
what
why
what's
what's
interesting
about
clearwater
and
I
and
I
think
it's
a
lot
first
of
all,
the
site
is,
you
know
spectacular
on
a
bluff
overlooking
the
water
it
and
what's
interesting
about
it.
Is
it's
also
really
a
classic
infill
site?
T
You've
done
a
lot
of
the
hard
work
here
already
by
closing
down
cleveland
street,
restoring
the
capitol
theater
making
this
tremendous
investment
in
the
park
and
we
feel
like
we're
sort
of
just
maybe
we
can
be
the
missing
piece
here
that
that
ties
things
all
together.
So,
there's
that
there's
the
incredible
demographics
of
the
greater
tampa
bay
area
what's
going
on
down
here,
it's
the
second
fastest
population,
growth
of
any
major
metropolitan
area
in
the
country.
J
T
It
says
to
me
that
you
mean
business
and
that's
that's,
obviously
very
important,
and
then
lastly,
I
would
say-
and
this
isn't
in
no
way
say
that
you
guys
are
going
to
be
a
day
at
the
beach
so
to
speak,
but
that
you
are
interested
in
in
creating
business
opportunity
here,
your
pro
development
pro
business,
can't,
of
course,
you
want
to
see
the
right
development
come
here,
the
right
business,
but
that's
something
very
different
than
what
I'm
dealing
with
in
new
york
right
now,
so
again,
a
little
bit
about
gotham
and
why
I
think
we're
the
right
choice:
108
years
five
generations,
my
son
matthew's
with
us,
he
represents
the
fifth
I'm
the
fourth,
my
dad
still
comes
into
the
office
three
or
four
days
a
week.
T
This
this
model
of
what
we
want
to
do
here
is
really
what
we
do:
large-scale
multi-use
activating
street
fronts,
activating
communities.
That's
that's
really
all
we
do
some
examples,
not
sure
I'm
not
exactly
following
this,
but
there's
some
examples
that
I
would
just
throw
out.
We
did
a
deal
called
gotham
west
in
midtown
manhattan.
On
the
far
west
side.
It
was
an
rfp
that
the
city
put
out
its
1250
units
on
four
acres.
T
T
The
ashland
is
the
600
unit,
building
in
the
cultural
district
in
brooklyn.
That
was
a
five-year
entitlement
process
which
in
which
we
required
many
overrides
from
the
mayor
and
a
negotiated
tax
abatement
also
has
a
food
hall
at
the
bottom
right
now
we're
building
a
project
called
gotham
point:
it's
1150
units
and
two
towers
on
the
queens
waterfront.
T
T
This
is
our
selection,
would
mark
only
the
beginning
of
a
long
discussion,
we're
believers
in
getting
in
front
of
the
community
and
its
stakeholders
early
and
often
we
do
this
not
only
out
of
respect,
but
with
the
knowledge
that
the
best
ideas
often
come
out
of
these
meetings
and
that
for
development
to
work
there
needs
to
be
buy-in
among
the
stakeholders
in
order
to
help
us.
With
this
effort,
we've
put
together
an
outstanding
team
of
local
professionals,
so
some
of
them.
T
Place
making
almost
every
deal
we
do
has
required
some
form
of
place
making.
As
I
mentioned,
we
did
these
two
food
halls
in
in
two
of
our
larger
buildings.
That's
because
we
felt
like,
in
order
to
sort
of
energize
the
street,
to
bring
people
into
the
building
to
get
them
interested.
That's
what
was
required.
You
know
we
could
have
put
in
you
know
a
a
dwayne
reed
or
a
walgreens
and
a
bank,
but
the
right
thing
to
do.
T
We
thought
to
energize
the
site
was
to
do
something
a
little
more
creative
one
outstanding
example
of
this
is
in
close
to
20
years
ago
we
cut
the
ribbon
on
a
project
called
harlem,
usa
and
125th
street
in
harlem
at
the
time.
What
was
the
largest
private
investment
ever
made
in
harlem,
and
we
built
a
three-story
three-story
retail
entertainment,
complex.
The
facade
was
entirely
pilkington
glass,
so
entirely
see-through.
A
lot
of
people
thought
we
were
crazy
to
do
that.
There.
It
was
welcomed
by
the
community,
it's
loved
by
the
community.
T
There
hasn't
been
a
mark
on
it
since
we
opened
it
almost
20
years
ago,
and
it's
it's
changed
around
that
the
western
side
of
125th
street
financial,
where,
with
all
again
at
present,
we
have
four
projects
under
construction
and
lisa,
with
a
total
development
cost
of
close
to
1.5
billion
dollars
and
with
the
capacity
through
our
existing
debt
and
equity
relationships
to
produce
another
two
and
a
half
billion
dollars
over
the
next
several
years.
U
Morning
before
I
jump
in
here,
I
want
to
kind
of
how
do
I
go
back?
Let's
see
here
just
make
sure
I
mention
our
team.
Obviously
gotham
and
denunzio
grew.
We
baer
petranex
is
the
architect.
U
Stantec
has
also
been
deeply
involved
with
transportation,
landscape
design,
civil
engineering,
also
sustainability
and
architecture,
and
we're
proud
to
also
announce
another
series
of
local
people
that
involved
in
the
project
with
us,
including
one
blue
ocean
sea,
dog
valley,
hospitality,
trudy
and
john
cooper,
who
own
okanola
and
on
swan
florida,
wildlife,
corridor,
coastal
construction,
usf,
graphic
studio
and
the
aerial
group
that
provides
diversity
in
the
construction
industry,
and
we
also
have
real
consultants,
which
are
sustainability.
Experts
based
out
of
tampa
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
jordan.
U
Behar
I've
lived
and
worked
and
raised
my
family
in
clearwater
for
most
of
the
last
50
years.
Our
firm
behar
petronex
architecture
has
worked
on
dozens
of
projects
in
the
city
and
I've
served
on
several
boards,
including
eight
years
on
the
community
development
board,
where
I
became
intimately
familiar
with
the
city,
hall
and
library
sites.
U
I
can
confidently
say
that
I
know
the
city
of
clearwater
from
a
personal,
professional
and
cultural
standpoint,
and
I'm
deeply
excited
to
be
part
of
this
team
and
process.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
city
and
key
stakeholders
for
their
vision,
investment
and
passion
to
help
transform
downtown
clearwater
into
an
urban
waterfront
destination.
U
U
U
U
The
third
issue
centered
around
generating
critical
mass
and
the
need
for
higher
density
of
full-time
residents
to
frequent
the
downtown
and
utilize
the
park.
And
finally,
we
felt
that
the
size
and
scale
of
these
projects
presented
challenges
with
bulk
mass
and
how
to
locate
and
effectively
shield
the
parking
to
solve
these
challenges
and
create
connectivity
and
vibrancy
for
the
entire
community.
We
incorporated
three
principles
while
the
programming
and
use
at
each
site
are
different,
the
core
principles
remain
universal.
U
Next,
we
sought
to
create
a
flexible
and
iconic
design
that
promotes
visibility,
adaptability,
integration
and
entices,
the
public
to
explore
and
engage.
And
finally,
we
sought
to
promote
well-being,
sustainability
and
to
express
our
natural
environment,
through
extension
of
the
green
space,
vistas,
hidden
parking,
lead,
design
and
solar
integration.
U
On
this
slide,
you
can
see
a
diagram
indicating
the
integration
of
park
in
downtown
in
and
through
several
new
connections,
as
well
as
an
overall
site
plan
with
the
proposed
building
footprints.
What
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
is
the
reinforcement
and
activation
of
the
street
front
along
osceola
and
the
extensive
number
of
pathways
and
opportunity
to
activate
and
continue
connect
downtown
in
the
waterfront
park.
U
In
this
slide,
you
can
see
park
accus
in
this
side.
What
we're
trying
to
show
is
the
park,
access
and
integration
and
how
critical
it
is
on
the
site.
The
retail
and
restaurants
at
the
street
ensure
that
the
park
is
used
on
a
regular
basis
and
we've
designed
a
casual
tilted
lawn
that
brings
the
public
up
to
the
rooftop,
ear
garden
and
access
to
event
spaces,
thus
extending
the
park
and
again
trying
to
blur
the
lines
between
our
project,
the
downtown
and
the
new
park.
U
Not
only
have
we
envisioned
these
spaces,
but
we've
reached
out
and
garnered
great
interest
from
established
and
leading
restaurant
tours
and
breweries.
We're
proud
to
announce
john
and
trudy
cooper
who
owned
an
operator
okanola
and
have
a
long
established
legacy
of
restaurants.
Valet
hospitality
who
operate
two
premier,
restaurants
on
beach,
drive
in
saint
pete,
fred
forsley,
a
craft
brewer
and
restaurateur,
owns
and
operates
sea
dog
cantina
in
clearwater
at
sea,
dog
brewery
and
treasure,
island
and
nathan,
stonecipher,
one
of
the
partners
and
visionaries
behind
green
bench.
U
We
anticipate
further
regular
activation
these
public
areas
through
our
strategic
partnerships
with
one
blue
ocean
florida,
wildlife,
corridor
and
usf
graphics
studios,
as
well
as
many
of
the
other
amazing
local
groups
that
are
already
an
integral
part
of
clearwater.
Our
discussions
are
in
the
early
phases,
but
we're
excited
about
the
opportunity
for
public
art,
rotating
exhibits,
lecture
series,
film
festivals,
immersive
experiences
and
more.
We
not
only
see
this
occurring
on
these
sites,
but
imagine
expanding
to
the
library,
the
capitol
theater
the
park
and
beyond.
U
I
want
to
touch
on
also
the
combined
entries
for
the
hotel
and
library
the
we
feel
that
this
solution
is
not
only
functional,
but
it
helps
activate
and
create
a
safe
environment
that
will
create
another
direct
access
to
the
park.
Activating
the
library
and
promoting
cross-programming
opportunities
seems
like
a
natural
extension
mammoth
request.
D
I
I
you
know
speaking
just
for
myself,
I
mean
I
spent
hours
and
hours
and
hours
reading,
so
I'm
pretty
clear
about
I
mean
I
have
my
obviously
you
know
I
have
my
questions
so
and
I
would
say
you
know
the
public
has
access
to
the
whole
presentation
and
all
your
details,
but
I
think
to
keep
it
fair,
probably
15
minutes
each.
Q
There's
no
problem,
I
mean
legally,
I
mean
this
process
is
more
flexible
than
what
I
would
call
more
of
our
strict
rfp
process.
So
it
is
a
decision
for
council.
A
H
I
think
we
go
to
questions
you
know
again.
I
think
all
of
us
have
studied
this.
It's
just
for
the
public
that
is
watching.
They
probably
didn't
get
the
full
benefit
that
we
did.
D
D
I
like
the
possible
involvement
with
florida,
wildlife,
corridor
foundation
and
one
blue
ocean,
the
arts,
culture
and
environmental
focus
that
other
groups
had
as
well.
You
know-
and
I
would
just
say,
I'm
not
clear
on
the
weight
of
letters
of
interest
from
any
restaurants
versus
you
know:
one
blue
ocean
virtue
versus
florida,
wildlife.
Those
are
people
who
have
expressed
an
interest
that
you
and
the
other
developers
reached
out
to,
but
nothing
is
committed
with
any
of
of
our
developers
right,
it's
just
a
letter
of
interest,
so
I
think
I
think
the
idea.
T
T
You
is
how
much
work
went
into
this,
how
hard
we
are
trying
and
we'll
try
to
get
the
right
type
of
retail
and
restaurant
uses
here,
because
it
can't
just
be
you
know
a
walgreens
or
or
a
bank
or
a
right
this
this
we
need
to
activate
this
site,
and
these
are
some
of
the
ideas
we
had
and
we'd
love
to
hear
from
other
people
about
other
ideas.
It's
really
just
more.
D
And
I
I
appreciate
that
I
like,
I
think
that
was
a
little
bit
more,
for
you
know
the
public,
as
as
far
as
it
doesn't
mean
crunch
fitness
is
coming
or
you
know,
sea
dog
is
coming
for
sure
it's
just
these
are
people
that
you
have
a
relationship
and
reached
out
for
support.
I
really
like
the
elevated
bluff,
walk
that
you
plan
to
install
correct,
and
do
you
want
to
expand
on
that
a
little
bit
about,
because
I
reached
out.
D
You
know
it's
my
understanding
that
we
can't
add
anything
structurally
to
the
park
because
of
what
we
passed
in
2016..
So
if
you
can
explain
that,
yes,
we
can
and
it'll
be
at
your
expense
fully
or
how
do
you
want.
U
V
Good
morning
I'll
adjust
the
architectural
side
of
your
question,
and
then
we
can
have
everyone
else
address
the
financial
side
in
reviewing
the
existing
design
of
the
park.
We
notice
that
the
because
of
the
bluff
and
the
elevation
change
that's
very
actually
very
difficult
to
go
from
the
city
hall
site
to
the
amphitheater
and
transverse
on
the
northern,
the
eastern
edge
of
the
site,
and
we
felt
as
though
providing
this
walkway
would
give
the
ability
to
experience
the
bluff
three-dimensionally,
instead
of
always
being
on
the
ground.
V
You
can
experience
it
from
above
and
below
and
when
there
is
a
large
event-
and
you
know
the
place
is
rocking,
the
residents
can
still
have
a
jogging
path.
They
can
still
enjoy
the
park
in
a
passive
way,
instead
of
being
in
in
the
mix
of
an
event.
That's
the
architectural
arm
reasons.
For,
for
those
we
like
the
involvement
we
have
stantec
on
board.
V
Who
did
the
original
design?
We
like
the
ability
to
kind
of,
as
we
design
the
buildings
to
maybe
massage
the
site
and
make
the
buildings
and
the
site
interact
in
a
more
meaningful
way.
As
you
know,
the
site
was
designed
without
the
buildings,
not
knowing
anything,
now
that
we
have
the
buildings
like
to
integrate
them.
A
Well,
the
south
bluff
walk
got
value
engineered
out.
Is
that
not
correct
mr
dog?
Come
forward
yeah
good
morning.
K
Keith
grimming
your
urban
design,
principal
with
with
stantec
you're,
absolutely
right
mayor,
the
south
block
buffalo
was
value
engineered
out.
So
this
is
the
opportunity
we
see
the
bluff
walk
as
really
the
major
north-south
spine
is
tying
all
this
together,
so
the
integrations
pieces
that
ken
just
talked
about
and
then
a
continuation
of
how
we
look
at
the
south
bluff
walk
and
that
terracing
of
of
the
actual
integration
and
then
as
the
building
itself
terraces.
A
A
K
No,
it
is
no,
it
is
not
because,
obviously,
at
that
point
in
time,
the
fate
of
the
city
hall
and
the
city
hall
site
development
had
not
taken
place.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
deviation
to
basically
do
it
in
tears,
as
I
just
mentioned,
to
be
able
to
provide
ada
accessibility
through
that
steep
bluff
and
how
you
get
up
to
the
top
and
to
the
bottom
for
all
for
all
patrons.
Thank
you.
D
Q
It
won't
be
an
issue
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because,
regardless
of
what
we
do,
it
will
have
to
go
out
for
referendum
and
regardless
of
what
we
do
in
the
referendum,
it
will
happen.
This
is
going
to
require
charter
amendments.
I
will
draft
the
proposed
charter
amendment
in
a
way
that
accommodates
the
use
the
council
wants.
Q
So
ultimately,
this
will
go
to
voters
for
approval
or
disapproval.
I
will
draft
it
appropriately,
so
it
will
not
be
an
issue.
D
So
if
we
were
to
do
something
like
this,
we
would
have
two
questions
on
a
november
ballot.
One
about
shall
we
go
with
this
group
and
a
brief
description
of
what
this
group
is
going
to
do
whatever
group
it
is
and
then,
if
we
go
with
gotham,
there
would
be
a
second
question
about
allowing
the
bluff
structure
to
be
constructed
or
no
to
change
the
charter
to
allow
that
it.
Q
Would
be,
it
would
be
my
opinion
that
we
could
do
that
in
a
single
question.
However,
there
are
some
limitations
number
one.
As
pointed
out
earlier,
we
only
have
75
words
in
a
summary,
the
75
words
does
not
have
to
include
every
aspect
of
the
deal.
In
fact,
it
surely
cannot
in
75
words,
but
it
does
need
to
fairly
and
reasonably
inform
voters
as
to
what
they're
voting
for
so
that's
one
limitation
on
it.
Q
The
second
limitation
is
that
it
is
my
opinion
that
when
we
pass
an
ordinance
that
will
propose
the
referendum
question,
which
is
how
we
propose
referendum
questions
that
ordinance
that
we
pass
must
comply
with
the
single
subject
rule
now,
that's
actually
an
area
that
has
not
been
clearly
addressed
by
all
the
courts.
Q
It
would
be
my
opinion
that
if
we
start
splitting
them
like
that,
meaning
we
dispose
of
one
parcel
by
lease
and
the
other
parcel
by
sale
or
fee
simple
transfer
that
could
create
two
separate
referendum
questions.
We
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
that
one-on-one,
but
that
is
something
we'd
have
to
discuss.
So
all
that
is
a
long
way
of
saying
that
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
this
particular
proposal.
T
Logic,
so,
as
you
know,
we've
made
up,
we
basically
are
following
the
appraisals
that
that
you've
had
in
terms
of
you
know,
to
be
honest.
There
are
public
benefits
involved
with
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
that
we're
in
no
position
now
really
to
ask
you
for,
for
because
we
haven't
costed
them
out
yet
right.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
cost
of
that's
going
to
be.
I
don't
know
what
the
cost
of
some
of
the
buried
parking
is
going
to
be.
T
You
know,
I
think
these
are
things
that,
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
months,
we
would
have
to
work
out
with
you
I'd
be
lying.
If
I
stood
here
and
said
to
you,
I
know
exactly
what
they
cost
and
here
here's.
What
my
ask
is.
D
T
I
think
there's
about,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out
in
his
his
closing
remarks.
I
think
there's
a
process
over
the
next
few
months
to
for
us
to
get
a
lot
tighter
on
what
our
costs
are
going
to
be.
The
intention
is
is
not
to
hit
you
over
the
head
with
anything
but
it,
but
it
will
be
to
come
back
and
discuss
some
potential
incentives
with
you.
D
Okay,
well,
you
know
it's
just
that
when
we
make
our
decision,
you
know
we
have
a
discussion
and
residents
tune
in
or
are
here
and
they'll
say.
Well,
I
wanted
them
to
go
with
the
group
that
was
going
to
build
the
bluff
walk
and
it's
like.
Well,
I
think
the
communication
is
a
bluff.
Walk
would
be
great
and
you
like
the
way
it
ties
in,
but
it's
not
part
of
the
package
right
now
it's
to
be
negotiated
further
down
right.
D
T
T
Know-
and
those
are
some
of
the
discussions
we
think
we
want
to
work
with
you
on
the
intersections
and
at
drewin
and
osceola
and
and
the
other
intersections,
to
make
sure
that
those
are
the
right
things
again
for
clearwater
and
for
the
projects.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
to
discuss.
I
mean
this
was
put
together.
T
T
D
I,
like
the
idea
of
a
conference
center.
I
need
help
from
maybe
you
all
locally,
you
know
so
help
with
a
visual
of
the
size
that
will
hold
1000
people
like
how
big
is
that.
T
A
The
great
room
in
ruth
eckerd
hall
only
holds
about
300.,
okay,
the
windham
grand.
I
think
their
maximum
capacity
in
that
room
is
800..
Okay,
sheridan
sand
key
holds
about
4
20.
A
J
A
700,
okay,
maximum,
it
will
be
one
of
the
largest.
I
think
that
exceeds
what
the
innisbrook
great
hall
holds.
I'm
almost
certain
okay.
V
Centers
in
north
business,
so
we
have,
we
have
it
as
the
design
is,
could
be
a
thousand
person
that
could
be
subdivided
into
four
separate
rooms.
Each
of
those
four
separate
rooms
would
have
a
terrace
that
terrace
can
either
look
over
the
southern
edge,
the
pool
deck
or
over
the
western
edge
overlooking
the
bluffs.
So
it's
really
not
imagined.
As
a
big.
You
know,
conference
center
international
eye,
doctors
of
america.
It's
really.
V
As
you
know,
wedding
parties
birthday
parties
more
of
a
celebration
for
residents
that
can
book.
You
know
250
people,
it's
not
a
full,
although
it's
large
in
size,
it's
not
imagined
as
a
full,
robust
conference
that
makes
sense.
D
I
love
that
you're
committed
to
a
minimum
silver
lead
certification.
What
can
what
percentage
of
parking
will
be?
Evie,
not
ev,
ready
or
even
capable,
but
it
will
be.
Can
you
commit
to
like
20
percent.
T
I
mean
all
the
projects
we're
doing
now
have
have
a
certain
amount
of
uv
in
them.
At
this
point,
I
couldn't
tell
you
exactly
what
it
would
be.
I
mean
again
given
where
the
world
is
going.
Given
how
many
you
know
electrical
vehicles
are
out
there.
I
think
20
doesn't
sound
crazy,
but
I
just
at
this
point
we're
just
we're
just
not
there
yet.
Okay.
V
Further
than
we're
doing
we're
doing
a
few
projects
in
the
same
peak
right
now
and
those
are
about
ten
percent.
Really
that's
where
that's
where
the
market
is
showing
for
those
that
we're
providing
ev
on
day,
one!
That's
where
the
market
is
right
now
and
we'll
be
happy
to
look
at
it.
D
Okay,
I
I
really
appreciate
that
you've
included
a
section
on
diverse
vendor
program
and
inclusion.
Again,
you
know
this
is,
can
be
intent
but
having
it
in
writing-
and
you
know,
committing
to
it
are
different.
I
was
just
wondering:
can
you
share
some
successes
you've
had
with
this
like?
Where
have
you
employed
it
and
how
successful
have
you
been.
T
So
I
mean
developing
new
york,
yeah
there's
different
things,
but
they're
just
they're.
Just
you
know,
even
if
I
thought
it
was
the
wrong
thing
which
I
don't
there's
just
no
way
around
it
right.
So
everything
we
do
is
geared
towards
creating
opportunities
for
mbes
wbs
as
much
diversity
and
inclusion
as
we
can
and
as
and
as
and
is
feasible.
A
lot
of
it
depends
on
the
local
labor
markets
too
right.
So.
W
T
D
So
I'm
paige.
D
D
You've
got
site,
prep,
horizontal
infrastructure
improvements
and
vertical
construction
is
estimated
to
be
209
million.
This
number
includes
soft
cost.
All
this
business
and
then
estimates
that
approximately
1800
direct
jobs
will
be
supported
by
the
construction
related
activities
of
our
project
development.
So
that's.
T
So
we're
we're
using
coastal
at
right
now
to
give
us
feedback
cost
feedback,
so
any
of
the
construction
numbers
you
see
in
there,
although
it's
very
early
in
the
game,
I
want
to
stress
that
is
based
on
similar
projects.
That
coastal
is
has
done
in
the
area
and
they've
done
quite
a
number
and
based
on
the
sort
of,
I
won't
say
bare
bones,
but
close
to
bare
bones
program
that
they've
gotten
from
us,
and
so
we
feel
standing
here
today.
We've
given
you
good
numbers.
As
you
know,
prices
are
moving
rapidly.
T
We
think
we've
accounted
for
a
lot
of
inflation
in
our
numbers
and
we're
actually,
you
know
hoping
maybe
someday
it
goes
the
other
way.
Obviously
there
are
still
supply
chain
issues
and
my
understanding
in
parts
of
florida.
You
can't
even
get
certain
trades
to
work
at
this
point
like
there
is.
No,
you
know
good
luck,
getting
a
superstructure
contractor
so,
but.
D
Luckily
we're
a
you're
away
from
building.
Do
you
do
you
have
any
estimate
of
the
number
of
jobs
and
average
annual
wages
from
the
mixed
use
and
hotel,
so
hospitality
right,
restaurant
retail?
What
what's
the
average
annual
income
of
the
workers
that
will
be
working
on
these
mixed
use?
Developments.
K
I
I
can't
speak
to
the
to
the
income
levels,
but
again
with
stantec.
We
have
a
program
that
we
work
with
and,
as
you
can
well
understand,
that
the
speed
in
which
this
was
put
together,
it's
based
upon
square
footage,
development,
type
square
footage,
construction
value.
It's
worked
into
an
algorithm
that
basically
tells
a
number
of
full-time
employees.
D
T
Well,
there
is
the
10
workforce
requirement,
which
should
you
know,
create
opportunities
for
for
those
folks,
we're
also
open
to
talking
to
about
to
you
about.
If
you
want
to
increase
that,
and
of
course,
when
you
do
that,
you,
you
burden
the
project
financially
and
there's
a
we
open
up
the
discussion
of
other
possible
incentives,
but
we're
very
used
to
this
type
of
back
and
forth
in
new
york.
You
can't
pretty
much
build
anything
yeah
these
days
without
quite
a
bit
of
affordable
housing
and
we'll
certainly
open
that
discussion.
F
D
Which
was
69
000
for
one
person
or
whatever
it
was
yeah,
look
we're
open
to
whatever
sort
of
again
and
there
has
to
be
compensating
right,
but
we're
sort
of
open
to
that
discussion.
Okay,
you
know
I
I
had
a
question.
I
think
it's
like
around
page
38,
but
it's
really.
It
can
be
this
one.
One
thing
I
found
when
we're
talking
about
the
question
of
integrating
the
park
and
these
two
properties.
Certainly
we
want
a
natural
flow.
D
We
want
lots
of
foot
traffic,
multimodal
traffic
and
all
that
I
found
it
interesting
in
looking
at
everyone's
visual
dis.
You
know
depictions
like
maybe
if
there
were
a
dotted
yellow
line
between
your
property
and
our
property
and
because,
when
I
look
at
that,
it's
like,
I
don't
see
the
playground
down
there
or
the
splash
pad,
and
so
how?
What's
the
proximity
of
that
and
that
kind
of
thing.
T
Yeah,
but
I'm
gonna
probably
turn
this
over
to
the
architects,
but
so
you
raise
a
good
question
because
I,
I
think
visualizing
how
the
park
is
going
to
bleed
through
these
sites
and
and
into
downtown
clearwater
is,
is
really
the
the
job
at
hand
for
all
of
us.
We
have
to
make
sure
we
don't
miss
this
opportunity
because
you
know
and
what
you
do
with
those
key
intersections,
I
think,
is
really
important.
We
can
do
a
better
job
of
identifying
what
we
perceive
as
those
traffic
patterns
in
and
through
the
site.
T
It
is
tough
to
show
and
given
the
amount
of
time,
but
I
do
think
it's
really
really
important
for
us
all
to
figure
that
out
and
what
I
really
found
fascinating
and
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
talk
about
it
because
we
got
timed
out
is
that
you
know
the
front
door
of
this
of
this
project
is
on
osceola
and
it's
and
it's
really
important
to
activate
osceola.
It's
important
to
have
really
vibrant
uses
fronting
the
street
there
and
then
so.
T
That's
your
front,
you
know
door
and
then
your
back
door
is
this
unbelievable
park
that
you
guys
are
in
the
process
of
creating,
and
so
it's
the
then
how
do
you
integrate
that
park
into
the
site
as
well?
So
it's
sort
of
this
classic
urban
infill
on
the
osceola
side
and
then
there's
this.
You
know
crazy
park
that
that's
being
built
on
the
other
side
and
how
do
you
make
that
all
work
and
we
make
sure
that
we
don't
turn
our
back
on
that
park
so
and
then
I'll
the
feedback?
If
you
wanted
to.
T
S
I
will
share
that
just
from
a
technical
standpoint.
Obviously
the
our
request
included
surveys
of
the
parcels,
and
so,
if
you
look
at
where
the
buildings
are
placed
as
compared
to
the
surveys,
there
is
a
mixture
of
uses
on
the
park
side
of
those
and
then
also
park
pocket
park.
So
the
expectation
would
be
we
would
work
with
the
city
to
define
what
the
scope
of
private
development
is
versus
public
create
an
appropriate
survey,
and
that
would
be
what
would
be
purchased
or
whatever,
because
I
think
to
your
point
there.
S
D
T
I'm
just
going
to
say
one
thing
and
again
I
think
you're
spot
on.
I
think
we
we
will
develop
a
more.
This
was
again,
I
think
the
architects
and
did
an
incredible
job.
You
know
not
to
break
my
arm
patting
ourselves
in
the
back,
but
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
nuance
that
has
to
get
filtered
in
here
right
these
transitions
from
the
buildings
and
what
those
materials
look
like
and
how
we
sort
of
soften
the
edges
is
sort
of
the
more
advanced
moves
that
are
going
to
come
down
the
line.
T
I
I
don't
think
you're
wrong
in
saying
at
this
point
and
again
it's
it's.
It
could
be
a
little
less
sterile.
Looking
and
that's
you
know
we
will
work
hard
to
make
sure
we
do
that.
D
They
were,
you
know,
talking
about
the
nuance
and
stuff
again
that
bluff,
walk
and-
and
I
think
I
just
focused
on
that-
because
you're-
the
one
who
depicted
it
and
talked
about
it
more,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
the
benches
along
the
edge
kind
of
a
built-in
bench.
You've
got
some
green
and
then
you've
got
this
whatever
the
material
is
probably
not
glass
or
tempered,
glass
or
whatever.
D
It
is
that
you
can
see
through
on
that,
I'm
like
who's
going
to
clean
that
every
day
you
know
I
mean
whose
responsibility
is
that
would
that
be
yours?
Is
it
in
our
park?
Is
our
parks
and
rec
people,
but
anyway,
just
you
know.
I
mean
those
are
practical
things.
Obviously,
you
guys
are
familiar
with
our
sustainability
plan
right
because
you've
got
local.
Okay,
are
you
committed
to
building
and
design
decisions
that
help
us
achieve
our
goals
in
greenprint,
2.0.
K
Absolutely
in
fact,
to
answer
both
questions
previously,
there's
a
lot
of
breaking
up
of
the
hardscapes
with
rain
gardens
and
bios
whales.
So,
yes,
understanding
that
applying
that
that
that
program
and
that
technology
is
evolving
daily
and
sustainability
will
be
one
of
the
highest
attributes
of
this.
So
kudos
to
the
city
and
their
green
point
plan
gives
us
a
great
direction
to
move
forward
with
and
then,
as
we
work
through
these
process,
we'll
continue
to
bring
as
many
ideas
as
we
can
to
the
table
to
help
create
a
more
sustainable
development.
V
D
That
sounds
good,
just
a
little
shift
to
financial,
so
you
say
you
are
prepared
to
pay
a
fair
market
value
for
the
parcels,
but
your
offer
is
16.9
million
for
both
and
they
are
valued
at.
You
know
a
little
over
27
million
so.
S
S
That
picture
with
the
arrow
is
a
typo
apologize,
that's
okay!
But
if
you
flip
further
back
on
your
financial
plan,
you'll
see
the
pro
forma
is
based
upon
the
15-4
for
the
city
hall
site.
A
D
X
Hi
matthew
pickett
with
gotham,
so
we're
open
to
either
structure.
I
think
their
preferred
structure
would
be
fee
simple,
because
that's
easier
to
finance.
X
X
D
Y
D
You
state
the
development
team
intends
to
survey
the
community
and
pursue
additional
partnerships
that
will
further
engagement,
activate
the
respective
development
sites
and
create
synergy
with
surrounding
cultural
facility
facilities
such
as
the
library,
ruth
eckerd
hall
and
capitol
theater
and
the
cma.
So
I
think
that
sounds
great.
Can
you
have
you
done
this
in
other
communities
and
can
you
share
how
this
works
and
has
it
been
successful.
T
Yeah
I
mean
this.
This
is
my
life
okay,
so
in
new
york,
almost
everything
we've
done
is
is
off
market,
meaning
we
really
don't
purchase
widely
marketed
sites.
We
answer
lots
of
rfps.
We
have
lots
of
partnerships
with
not-for-profits.
T
T
So
this
is
built
into
the
ethos
of
this
company.
I
think
we
play
well
on
the
sandbox
with
people
we're
not
bullies.
We
truly
do
believe
that
many
good
ideas
do
come
out
of
these
meetings.
There's
obviously
can
be
grandstanding
and
some
sort
of
crazy
ideas
too,
that
that
either
adds
levity
or
aggravation,
but
we
we
believe
it's
it's
just
what
we
do
fully.
You
know.
D
On
page
34,
you
said
our
team
sees
the
potential
for
significant
street
scape
improvements,
which
is
great,
at
whose
expense
I
mean
when
we
talk
about
those
things,
it's
like
yeah,
there's
potential
all
over
the
place
to
do
great
things,
but
you
know,
as
you
mentioned
these,
it
it'd
be
nice
to
have
a
follow-up
like
I'll.
Take
care
of
that
I'll.
Do
that.
T
T
We
need
to
talk
to
you
about
what's
best
for
your
streets
and
your
intersections
right,
it
would
be
pretty
presumptuous
to
say
you
know
we
have
some
ideas,
oh
sure,
but
that's
a
discussion
that
we
need
to
have
and
then
we
needed
to
say
yeah.
This
is
really
part
of
the
public
realm.
You
guys
ought
to
pay
for
it
or
you
know
what
guys
this
is.
This
is
mostly
helping
you
guys
out.
T
U
Great,
let
me
add
that
just
a
little
bit
in
addition
to
discreet
streetscape
renovations
or
what
we're
talking
about
a
lot
is
the
activation
of
osceola.
It's
the
right,
retail
or
the
right
restaurant
in
the
right
location
and
how
it
engages
the
street
how
it
draws
people
from
the
street
again
to
the
park.
U
It's
also
creating
additional
cross
retail
opportunities,
as
we
move
like
say
on
the
city
hall
site,
where
we're
proposing
even
a
a
connection
from
between
water's
edge
and
city
hall,
to
activate
that,
instead
of
just
a
side
property
line
between
two
properties,
so
there's
more
to
it
than
just
trees
and
sidewalk
and
things
to
take
care
of.
But
it's
it's.
How
can
we
make
a
continuous
retail
corridor
that
activates
osceola
so
that
this
this
whole
project
can
be
realized.
D
And
I've
got
just
one
last
question,
so
I
I
like
so
you
stated
you
want
to
develop
a
strategic
campaign
to
capture
key
demographics
to
achieve
the
highest
possible
rents
and
drive
absorption,
so
I'm
on
board
with
driving
absorption
for
sure
I
I
I'm
a
little
worried
about
the
highest
possible
rents
just
a
little
bit.
You
also
state,
though
the
development
team
will
consider
allocating
up
to
10
percent
of
the
apartments
which
is
60
out
of
600
as
workforce
housing
for
residents
earning
up
to
120
percent
of
ami.
D
So
that's
great!
Well,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
for
people
who
are
looking
or
talking
or
comparing
the
public
that
120
percent
ami
means
for
one
person,
that's
69
000
about
two
people
at
78
840,
and
so
this
is
not
low
income,
housing
and-
and
I
one
thing
I
I
wanted
just
so-
I
do
have
a
couple
little
tangent
questions,
but
when
you
talk
about
apartment
rental
there,
if,
if
a
person,
if
you
have
60
units
set
aside
for
120
ami-
and
you
know
a
pers,
a
single
person
makes
69
000.
D
Are
you
charging
association
fees
or
hoa
fees?
In
addition
to
whatever
rent
you're
going
to
charge,.
T
So
you
so
you
so
typically
what
happens
for
those
folks
is
there's
some
sort
of
discount
to
what
we're
charging
the
market
rate
folks.
So
in
our
buildings
in
the
city
with
what's
happening,
where
it
is,
but
I'm
gonna
say
maybe
it's
half
or
something
like
that:
okay,
so
there
is
a
charge,
but
it's
it's!
It's
there's
a
deep.
It's
deeply.
T
D
Right
right-
and
that
was
the
follow-up
it
was
like.
Okay,
are
you
requiring
incentives
from
the
city
to
make
this
happen
and
have
you
negotiated
such
an
agreement?
What
is
you
know,
I'm
sure.
T
D
D
T
X
Than
that
just
to
add
to
that
yeah
120
ami
is
by
by
no
means
you
know,
low
income,
but
on
the
other
hand
it
still
is
a
fairly
deep
discount
to
market,
and
so
there
would
be
a
discount
in
terms
of
what
we
could
pay
relative
to
the
appraised
value
of
the
land.
D
I
think
it's
important,
as
whatever
gets
designed,
and
the
finer
details
later
on
is
that
we
take
into
account
the
width
of
these
walkways
and
people
with
strollers
and
with
bicycles
and
with
you
know,
walkers
and
with
pets
and
children,
and
you
need
you
know.
We
need
to
have
some
designated
like
bike
lanes
or
sections
to
keep
all
of
that
from
blending
together
and
nobody
can
really
move
safely
or
we're
all
worried
about
what's
coming
around
behind
us,
so
I
hope
that
happens
either
along
osceola.
D
I
think
your
design
showed-
or
you
talked
about
doing
some
different
lane
configuration
on
osceola.
You
have
a
picture
of
a
car
with
a
bike
behind
it,
and
then
some
people
have
bike
lanes,
but
I
I
you
know
to
me
advocating
for
the
future
of
our
city
and
transportation
and
multimodal
especially
getting
residents
down
to
this
park
and
activating
the
pinellas
trail
people
from
dunedin,
wherever
we've
got
to
have
really
thought
out.
Multimodal
walk
ways,
travel
ways,
whatever
developers
call
them
to
make
them
move
efficiently.
A
A
A
I
don't
want
to
build
your
apartments.
I
don't
want
to
build
your
hotel,
that's
what
the
private
sector
does.
We
build
roads
and
sidewalks
and
public
amenities,
and
I
so
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
stay
in
our
lanes
on
that.
As
far
as
the
you
know,
the
bluff
walk.
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
more
of
an
amenity
that
potentially
could
be
a
partnership,
but
when
you
get
out
onto
the
streets
and
the
sidewalks,
I
think
we're
getting
out
of
our
lanes
so.
T
Yeah,
I
I
don't
disagree
yeah,
but
I
I
but
I,
but
we
are
here
if
for
a
discussion,
if
that's,
if
that's
warranted,.
E
So
a
lot
of
these
questions
that
I
had
you
actually
answered,
but
one
of
my
questions
was
why
clear
water-
and
why
now-
and
you
answered
it
in
part-
but
I
want
to
understand
more-
is
clear
water
more
attractive
to
you,
guys
now
versus
the
last
rfp.
Just
out
of
curiosity
was
that
enough
was
that
an
issue?
Y
Obviously
I'm
a
local
developer
here
I
grew
up
in
clearwater
right
around
the
area
went
to
high
school
in
clearwater,
and
I
started
talking
with
matt
who
have
known
for
a
while
a
little
while
back
about
their
potential
investments
down
in
florida,
and
they
were
looking
at
south
florida
and
we're
just
talking
about
some
of
the
the
dynamics
and
economics
of
what
was
going
on,
and
I
started
talking
about
our
area
here,
clearwater
and
saint
pete
and
tampa
and
everything
that
was
going
on
and
the
next
thing
you
know
there
was
these
guys
were
jumping
on
a
flight
they
came
down
here.
Y
It
was
right
around
the
same
time
that
discussions
came
about
about
doing
this.
Rfp
again
came
down
and
walked.
Every
square
foot
of
the
site
went
out
to
the
restaurants
in
clearwater.
Took
them
out,
went
all
around
the
area,
and
I
think
you
know
I
I
grew
up
here
so
for
me
to
do
something
I
live
on.
Clearwater
beach.
For
me
to
do
something
in
my
backyard
is,
is
something
that
every
developer
dreams
about
and
we
have
very
line
philosophies.
Y
Y
I
think
they
share
and
they
came
down
and
saw,
saw
what
it
could
be
and
then
really
looked
at
the
investment
that
you
guys
were
making
in
the
park-
and
I
think
that's
was
was
the
interest
they
were
looking
to
diversify
geographically,
and
I
think
this
is
the
right
area
they
weren't
really
around
for
the
last
rfp.
E
I
don't
know
if
you're
able
to
answer
this,
but
I'm
very
curious.
I
know
you
have
a
relationship
with
one
blue
ocean
and
graphic
studio,
and
I
understand
that
this
is
a
rushed
thing
for
you,
but
if
you
could
just
walk
me
into
through
what
do
you
envision
that
partnership
to
be
the
end
product?
Is
it
it's
just
so
abstract
right
now,
I
would
like
to
see
how
you
were
going
to
integrate
those
relationships
into
your
design.
Let's
say
sure.
U
Well,
a
big
piece
of
the
design
is
is
about
flexibility
and
activation
on
a
regular
basis,
not
just
the
big
events
that
occur
in
the
park.
Usf
graphics
studio
is
world
renowned.
They
have
artists
in
every
museum
in
the
world
and
not
every
museum.
That's
little
broad,
major
museums
in
the
world,
but
what
they've
done
is
they've
worked
with
places.
U
Corporations
parks
to
provide
public
art
to
do
facade
activations
with
digital
projection
is
a
possibility.
One
blue
ocean
could
take
the
conference
center
and
bring
their
immersive
experience.
They
want.
You
know
the
ocean
experience
in
the
conference
center
for
six
months.
The
public
could
come
see
it.
There
could
be
rotating
art
exhibits
throughout
the
pub
you
know,
through
the
public
areas
or
again
street
art.
These
are
florida
wildlife
corridors
involving
so
many
components
from
an
art,
standpoint,
documentaries,
films.
U
These
could
be
there's
an
opportunity
to
be
showing
films
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
library
in
this
room.
Even
potentially.
If
it's
not,
you
know
if
it
ever
changes
again,
but
could
become
opportunity
to
have
things
happening
at
both
the
city
hall
site,
the
the
harborview
site,
the
library,
the
capitol
theater.
Whoever
wants
to
participate,
there's
opportunities
to
again
activate
and
engage
and
through
these
partnerships,
bring
their
missions
to
the
forefront,
but
also
use
that
for
the
public.
T
Amenity-
and
I
would
just
add
to
that-
we're
we
try
to
be
of
the
communities
that
we
go
to.
We
try
to
understand
the
communities
and
build
in
things
that
speak
to
the
people
that
live
there
and
within
our
communities.
We
we
generate
sort
of.
We
activate
folks
to
come
together
to
see
a
concert
to
do
a
tasting
to
to
prepare
a
meal
to
we
have
art.
T
We
have
art
exhibits
in
all
of
our
buildings,
there's
gallery
space
where
we
bring
local
artists
in
to
display
their
artists
in
a
sort
of
rotating
and
we've
been
doing
this
for
years.
We
started
doing
this
in
the
1990s,
so
this
is
this
is
part
of
who,
who
we
are
so
we
we
embrace
this
and-
and
we
think
it's
it's
not
only
good
for
the
community,
but
it
it
ends
up.
You
know
in
the
top
line
of
our
revenues,
because
we
think
people
people
pay
up
and
then
they
stay
longer.
E
And
then
a
lot
of
the
questions
if
the
answers
is
too
early
on
or
is
a
negotiation,
I
guess
the
other
one
that
I'm
left
with.
Is
that
bluff
walk?
Can
you
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
on
how
far
it
will
be
from
water's
edge?
I
know
that's
going
to
be
a
question.
That's
going
to
come
up,
but
at
the
nearest
point,
how
near
is
it
to
the
water's
edge.
K
I
can't
give
you
a
dimension
that
I
know
there
is
there's
actually
a
very
large
tree
just
outside
of
water's
edge
on
that
western
elevation.
We
want
to
preserve
that
tree,
so
we're
thinking
of
going
outside
that
dimension.
My
guess
has
got
to
be
60
to
80
feet
because
we
respect
those
tenants,
and
we
know
some
of
those
tenants
on
that.
Backside
are
right
there
and
understand
their
need
for
privacy
and
separation.
I
I
have
no
questions,
but
I
I'm
very
impressed
with
what
you
proposed
and
I
have
no
doubt
that
you're
eminently
capable
of
of
producing
this.
I
was
a
little
disappointed
when
I
saw
you
design
the
the
elevator
walkway
back
in
here.
I
I
thought
you
were
going
to
pay
for
that
yourself,
but
you
know
I
think,
good
job.
H
Well,
I
too
was
really
taken
back
by
the
elevated
bridge.
You
know
that
was
something
that
we
had
lots
of
discussions.
I
had
lots
of
discussions
during
the
initial
design
and
I
was
disappointed
that
they
took
it
out,
because
I
really
thought
that
to
connect
the
bluff
walk,
that
was
really
needed,
but
my
concern
was
the
original
design
had
it
so
close
to
water's
edge,
and
you
know
they
have
units
down,
there's
a
hill
there
and
the
there's
units
that
they
were
showing
a
solid
bridge.
H
I'm
going
they're,
not
gonna,
they're,
not
gonna,
buy
this,
you
know,
and
then
it
ended
up.
They
took
it
out,
but
I
was
so
glad
to
see
that
back
in
there
I
think
that's
necessary
to
connect
the
south
side
to
the
north
side,
because
people
are
going
to
be
going
north
and
south
and
if
they
just
won't,
go
down
the
hill
and
then
come
back
up.
You
know
they
need
to
have
something
along
that
they
can
walk
and
now
that
you've
brought
it
out.
H
As
you
know
around
that
tree
takes
it
out
away
from
water's
edge.
I
think
it's
a
great
public
amenity
that
should
be
in
there.
So
just
some
other
comments.
I
love
your
designs.
H
H
City
hall
site,
you
have
an
adequate
number
of
units
in
the
hotel.
I'm
glad
I,
like
the
hotel
concept.
I've
always
thought
that
that
that's
a
great
concept
for
that,
and
now
that
the
amphitheaters
moved
over
and
back
at
the
library
it
just
makes
sense
to
have
it
there.
I
love
your
public
amenities,
the
art,
all
that-
and
I
know
this
is
conceptual.
H
This
isn't
as
detailed,
because
I
mean
everybody
had
a
short
amount
of
time
to
put
this
together,
but
glad
you
brought
in
an
ocean
friendly,
I
think
that's
important
being
on
the
water
and
and
then
you
know
we
we're
it's
very
important,
our
community
to
have
that
and
so
the
questions
I
have.
How
do
you
figure?
T
So
the
idea
there
is
is
to
build
the
parking
and
the
retail
and
all
the
amenities
and
then
build
one
300
unit
tower
and
then
a
year
or
18
months
later
start
on
the
once
we've
leased
up
the
other
one
start
on
the
on
the
on
the
other
tower:
okay,
so
and
now
not
once
we've
loosed
it
up,
but
let's
stagger
them
in
a
way
that
allows
us
to
lease
300
units,
not
600
units
at
a
time.
T
H
T
V
H
H
But
we
had
some
concern
from
one
of
the
other
presenters
that
who
had
less
units
that
the
capacity
of
the
road
would
only
handle
so
much,
and
I
guess
you
know
I'm
not
getting
into.
I
guess
I
guess
my
concern
is
we're
talking
about
activating
osceola,
because
I
mean
we've
got
other
projects
that
are
along
osceola
and
probably
the
city's
going
to
have
to
design
that
in
a
way
that's
going
to
handle
all
of
the
stuff.
That's
going
to
happen
there
and
when
you
start
your
project,
everything
else
is
going
to
pop.
H
Z
Good
morning
my
name
is
frank
domingo
with
stantec
and
I'm
the
smarter
mobility
practice
lead
a
little
bit
different
approach
right
because
that's
what
that's
our
approach
here
is:
yes,
there
will
be
traffic
on
the
local
streets,
but
the
whole
point
of
this
is
the
type
of
development
you
cannot.
You
have
to
link
up
the
land
use
with
mobility.
Mobility
doesn't
work
without
a
land,
use
a
great
land
use
plan,
and
that
is
our
approach.
So
there
will
be
options.
Z
Everything
from
shared
micro
mobility,
improved
access
to
active
transportation,
active
transportation
actually
is
the
first
step
here
of
how
we,
how
we
make
this
area
work,
that's
the
secret
to
downtown
clearwater.
I
grew
up
in
dunedin
dealing
with
the
I
lived
by
the
train
tracks
and
the
best
thing
that
ever
happened
to.
That
was
the
pinellas
trail
and
one
day,
and
when
that
happened,
what
happened
to
downtown
dunedin?
It
just
turned
into
a
got
a
life
of
its
own
same
thing.
The
same
thing
happens
here:
that's
the
approach
to
mobility.
Z
It
is
about
the
land
use,
so
there
will
be
options.
So
it's
whether
it's
micro
mobility
or
I
mean
we
could
go
with
ev
car
share
right.
Because,
honestly,
do
you
really
want
to
have
two
cars
in
downtown
clearwater?
The
answer
is
no,
absolutely
not
so,
let's
figure
out
a
better
way
and
the
model
of
where
we
are
going
with
this
is
there's
going
to
be
more
choices
and
honestly
the
market
has
taken
it
that
way.
So
this
isn't
my
first
rodeo
with
these
particular
approaches.
Z
We
can,
I
mean
there's
folks,
like
enterprise
rental
car
hurts.
All
of
those
folks
are
looking
at
a
mobility
as
a
service
they're
changing
their
model.
Because
that's
what
is
going
to
come
here
and
I
know,
will
we
be
open
to
it?
I
know
we
said
right
now,
there's
only
10
on
av
av
chargers,
but
the
second
fastest
adopter
of
ev
vehicle
electric
vehicles
is
florida
after
california,
and
so
I
see
that
that
that
is
going
to
change
that
changes,
everything
so
the
600
600
residents
on
on
local
streets.
Z
It's
actually
going
to
be
a
small
thing,
because
all
of
that
is
changing,
and
honestly
this
is
the
greatest
opportunity
we've
got
is
to
link
that
land
use
work
smarter
with
mobility,
provide
them
the
choices.
You
know,
I
don't
know.
If
I'm
I
don't
know
if
I'm
authorized
to
talk
about
the
gondola,
but
I
mean
you
talk
about
every
little
thing.
Z
That's
coming
in
that
the
city
of
clearwater
is
entertaining
you're
all
moving
in
the
right
direction
and,
honestly,
over
time,
you're
going
to
see
us
you're
going
to
see
that
sea
change
happen
with
this
with
this
project,
you're
starting
here,
you've
already
started
on
other
pieces.
But
honestly,
this
is
the
one
that
actually
changes.
It
does.
A
That's
it.
Okay,
went
over
and
saw
the
project
over
in
tampa.
First
of
all,
I
was
up
in
new
york
six
weeks
ago
and
I
knew
that
gotham
was
going
to
be
proposing
on
this.
I
did
go
up
to
new
york
for
regular
business,
but
I
went
early
and
I
did
go
to
gotham
west,
which
was
very
impressive.
Mr
a
picket,
mr
picky
gave
me
a
tour.
We
had
lunch
together.
A
I
paid
for
my
lunch
correct,
but
I
was
very
impressed
now
they
have
a
fair
amount
of
affordable
housing
in
those
projects.
As
mr
pickett
said,
that's
a
requirement
up
there,
but
I
was
impressed
by
the
amenities,
the
public
space
and
all
the
sharing
that
goes
on
between
all
of
those
units.
They
were
really
high
quality
in.
A
Wasn't
great
years
and
years
ago
also,
the
food
hall
was
impressive,
even
coming
out
of
covet,
which
is
saying
something
because
certainly
new
york
state
handled
covet
a
little
bit
different
than
florida.
Did
a
couple
questions,
mr
behar.
I
guess
the
first
is:
where
is
the
ingress
in
the
egress
on
the
city
hall
site
for
vehicles.
A
U
T
J
T
No,
I
mean
I'm
sorry,
I
got
the
wrong
what
stream,
I
think,
yeah
pierce.
A
S
You
want
to
speak
on
that
sure
from
it.
The
code
obviously
allows
both
the
public
amenities
incentive
of
either
units
or
far,
and
the
buildings
are
below
the
4.0
at
4.0
far.
But
if
you
do
a
mixed-use
calculation,
we
would
require
units
from
the
density
pool.
So
we
based
on
these
calculations,
looking
at
the
property
as
a
whole,
it
was
20
units
from
the
density
pool
on
the
harborview
site.
S
That's
20
dwelling
units
converted
to
overnight
accommodation
units.
So
there's
a
ratio
there,
but
then
on
the
city
hall
site
it
would
be
the
415
units
out
of
the
600
and
again
these
calculations
can
be
worked
with
on
with
staff
as
to
how
the
city
would
prefer
to
do
that
either
the
far
or
units
and
work
through
it.
From
that
standpoint,.
A
So
underground
parking
versus
building
it
into
the
actual
countries,
can
you
speak
to
that?
Underground
is
a
lot
more
expensive
yeah?
I
prefer
it,
but
it
is
an
investment.
T
We
thought
that
it
was
essential
that
we
bury
as
much
parking
as
we
could
and
when
you
say
underground,
it's
built
into
the
slope
sort
of.
But
yes
I
mean
it
is.
We
don't
have
anything
underground
in
florida
by
the
topography
right
correct.
But,
yes,
it
will
be
more
expensive.
It
will
be
one
of
those
topics
of
discussion
with
you
as
to
how
we
share
in
in
in
that,
but
we
felt
that
it
was
absolutely
from
a
design
point
of
view
and
from
a
how
is
the?
T
How
are
the
buildings
going
to
work
with
downtime
clearwater
and
the
park
that
stick
a
parking
structure
and
obscure
views
and
obscure
passenger,
not
passenger,
but
pedestrian,
cycling
through
through
the
site?
That
would
be
a
very
big
mistake
for
for
both
us
and
and
and
the
city.
So
I
think
that
that
will
be
a
topic
right
now.
I
don't
think
we
know
enough
about
what
that's
gonna
cost
to
have
that
discussion.
Hopefully
we
will
soon
and
we'll
decide
between
if
we're
selected,
we'll
decide
between
the
two
of
us.
A
T
T
Arrangement
with
a
gp
partner
who-
and
when
you
combine
the
two
of
them,
we
have
the
app
we
needed
to
do
up
to
two
and
a
half
billion
dollars,
assuming
60
to
65
percent
leverage
on
our
deals.
The
arrangements
with
wells,
fargo
and
jp
morgan
and
us
banker
are
looser
they're
on
a
you
know,
on
a
deal
by
deal,
we've
never
been
turned
down
on
on
on
a
loan
by
any
of
the
three
and
we're
doing
right.
A
Okay
and
then
from
coastal,
I
know
it's
early
in
the
process.
I
would
hope
that
the
north
tower
would
be
the
first
that
would
be
done.
Is
there
any
reason
why
that
would
be
prohibitive?
A
AA
To
edge
question
no
sir,
based
upon
what
we
would
get
on
the
geotech
and
the
civils
and
so
forth,
there's
really
no
reason
why
it's
still
early
and
premature,
but
at
this
point
being
early
there's
no
reason
we
couldn't
do
that
understanding
the
parameters
of
the
neighbors
and
so
forth.
That's
going
to
be
key
in
mind
as
to
how
we're
going
to
structure
the
different
phasing
of
the
two
towers:
okay,.
T
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
I
also
think
it
would
be
improper
until
we
at
least
hear
from
citizens
who
have
gotten
a
chance
to
look
at
the
different
proposals
and
to
hear
this
work
session.
So
I
am
assuming
that
we
will
have
an
item
on
thursday
that
we
can
make
a
final
decision
to
give
direction
to
staff
to
start
talking
about
negotiating
what
will
be
on
the
actual
referendum.
A
AB
AB
You
know,
as
well
as
the
requirements,
and
so
I
was
going
to
ask
amanda
to
brief
all
of
us
and
just
to
reacquaint
us
with
what
was
what's
being
required.
B
Sure,
thank
you
amanda
thompson
city
of
clearwater.
This
has
been
a
long
time
process,
as
you
know,
since
the
uli
study
and
the
city
and
cra
have
continued
every
year
to
work
towards
the
revitalization
of
downtown
by
imagining
what
the
waterfront
can
be.
So
the
call
for
development
concepts
had
five
project
goals,
and
these
goals
have
remained
consistent
throughout
the
planning
process,
increasing
vibrancy
and
economic
activity
in
downtown
clearwater.
So
again,
going
from
that
zero
right
tax
revenue
contribution,
zero
population
right
into
something
more
than
that
supporting
activation
of
the
new
waterfront
park.
B
So
looking
at
a
mixture
of
uses
that
would
fill
in
that
daytime
and
evening
traffic
for
use
in
the
park
outside
of
the
special
events
improving
connection
between
the
waterfront
and
the
rest
of
downtown-
and
I
think
this
is
probably
the
most
difficult
part
right
to
achieve
that.
You
want
to
ensure
that
truly
the
rest
of
cleveland
street
and
the
rest
of
downtown
is
connected
visually
and
activity
wise
right
down
through
the
waterfront.
So
it
doesn't
act
as
it
did
before,
which
is
just
a
separate
space
when
it
was
a
large
parking
lot
event.
B
People
go
there,
they
never
leave,
you
know
until
they
they
go
home
and
they
never
walk
up
the
hill
towards
cleveland
street.
I'm
setting
a
precedent
for
future
downtown
development
has
been
mentioned,
as
the
county
properties
come
online
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
significant
vacancy
in
downtown
now,
and
this
is
the
time
to
signal
to
the
market.
What
is
possible,
what
the
market
will
support
and
generating
a
financial
return
for
the
city,
of
course,
the
new
tax
revenue,
property
tax
sales
tax
and,
of
course,
the
sale
of
the
property
or
lease.
B
So
those
are
the
overall
project
goals
and
the
minimum
threshold
requirements.
Each
team
did
meet
these
requirements,
which
was
not
the
case
last
year,
so
including
at
least
150
units
of
rental
housing
to
ensure
that
year-round,
residency,
active
ground
floors
and
you
do
see
a
wide
range
in
the
amount
of
retail
and
ground
floor
space
between
the
proposals
meeting
the
downtown
design
guidelines,
which
is
our
zoning
ordinance,
the
financial
offers.
So
each
have
made
a
financial
offer
and
meeting
a
minimum
of
lead
silver
certification.
D
B
A
I
mean
I
sent
out
a
sheet
that
I
put
together
for
myself,
because
I
wanted
a
template
for
judging
the
three
proposals
and
they
had
eight
points.
The
first
being
deal
structure,
which
was
the
most
important
to
me,
that
includes
purchase
versus
lease
like
the
term,
is
their
front,
rear,
back-ended
payments
or
even
payments.
Over
a
time
frame.
I
gave
that
20
points.
I
gave
design
10
points,
integration
into
existing
structures
and
coachman
park,
resume
references
and
related
building
and
operational
experience.
A
I
gave
15
points,
sustainability,
components,
10
points,
public
amenities,
10
points,
public
participation
which
would
be
parking,
art,
public
space,
etc.
10
points,
financial
strength,
15
points
and
attractiveness
to
residents
of
clearwater,
because
we
will
have
to
get
through
a
referendum
to
bring
this
to
fruition.
I
gave
that
10
points
as
well.
I
mean
I
want.
A
A
We
need
these
to
bring
a
new
vibrancy
to
downtown
new
businesses,
new
residents,
hopefully
with
full
wallets-
and
this
is
kind
of
the
jumping
off
point.
My
father-in-law
is
an
engineer.
He
always
likes
saying
it's
hard
to
get
the
first
pickle
out
of
the
jar
and
for
those
of
you
who
have
never
tried.
A
A
So
I
think
choosing
the
best
team
with
the
best
project
is
critically
important,
but
we
are
also
going
to
have
to
explain
to
citizens
that,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
are
an
untested
market
and
I
don't
keep.
I
don't
want
to
keep
saying
that.
A
D
Ma'am,
so
I
appreciate
the
the
proposals
for
bluff
properties,
work
session
guidelines
with
your
points
that
add
up
to
a
hundred.
It
was
a
good
starting
point
and
I
think
it
can
guide
our
discussion
if
you'd
like,
but
I
think
we
need
to
you
know,
spend
some
time
if
we're
going
to
refer
to
these
things.
D
I
think
we
need
to
spend
a
few
minutes
talking
about
what's
underneath
each
descriptor
so
that
we
have
a
common
understanding
of
what
deal
structure
means
I
mean
I
know
you've
got
some
of
it,
but
I
have
some
questions
about
where
I'm
putting
some
of
the
things
I'm
considering
here
under
these.
So
can
we
certainly.
D
J
A
I
J
I
D
I
agree,
I
agree
and
I
think
it's
important
to
for
us
to
share
any
relationship
or
knowledge.
We
have
interactions
with
the
developers
that
may
factor
into
our
decision.
So
if
any
of
us
know
or
like,
I
think,
we've
all
toured
the
kennedy
whatever
it
is
in
tampa.
So
we've
I've
done
that
you
know
I
do
know
daniels
and
janelle
who
work
in
our
same
building,
but
if
other
people
have
had
conversations
and
you
went
to
new
york,
and
so
you
saw
that
gotham
development
looked
great,
that's
great,
that
you
shared
that.
D
But
if
there's
any
other
information
that
any
of
us
have
that
we're
going
to
use
to
make
a
judgment
and
form
a
decision,
I
hope
that
we
could
share
that
here.
So
we
can
all
have
it
because
for
me,
I
think
you
know
when
I
asked
about
numbers
and
the
valuation
of
the
incentives
and
stuff
it
really
is
about
for
me
that
we
look
at
the
same
information
and
data
and
we
make
our
decision
based
on
everything
that
we've
shared
and
we
have
access
to.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
too.
AB
Mr
jennings,
thank
you
mayor.
I
did
want
to
just
mention
that
city
staff
met
on
friday
to
review
all
the
proposals.
Would
this
be
the
appropriate
time
to
talk
about
our
findings,
or
would
you
like
to
wait
on
that.
A
Let's
wait
on
that
just
a
minute:
let's,
let's
go
through
these
real
quickly
and
talk
about
them.
I
have
nothing
else
to
disclose.
I
was
going
up
to
new
york,
so
I
flew
in
early
to
go,
see
the
gotham
project
beyond
that.
I
think
we
all
have
similar
relationships
with
the
group
in
our
building.
We
come
in
contact
they're,
my
landlord
for
my
private
business,
but
I
have
contact
with
them
in
the
elevators
and
in
the
hallways
and
whatnot.
A
We
all
went
over
and
saw
the
project
in
tampa.
I
believe
at
least
that's
what
I've
been
told
and
so
beyond
that,
though
I
don't
have
any
other
disclosures
to
make.
I
have
no
business
relationships
with
any
of
them.
E
I
have
relationships
with
all
three
submissions.
I
know
I
have
either
a
friendship
or
personal
relationship
with
people
from
all
three
submittals
so
that
pretty
much
evens
it
out.
I
Again,
I
went
over
to
see
the
the
grand
kennedy.
I
think
it
was
property
which
was
terrific
and
you
know
other
than
that.
I
don't
have
any
any.
J
D
H
Well,
I
know
several
people
from
each
group
and
I'm
just
I'm-
really
satisfied
with
this
these
proposals,
because
they
represent
a
lot
of
local
thinking
in
local
people
and
whereas
I
didn't
feel
last
time
we
had
it
that
we
had
really
a
lot
of
local
feel
for
our
developments.
So
real
happy
that
I
mean,
I
just
know
the
people
in
the
different
groups,
but
as
as
we
all
do
because
we're
you
know,
we
know
daniels,
and
we
know
that
group
and
katie.
H
We
know
her
and
mr
denzio
and
but
I
haven't
seen
anything
as
far
as
besides
going
over
to
tampa
and
seeing
the
building
over
there.
I
haven't
seen
any
of
these
proposals
until
this
weekend,
so.
A
J
A
To
within
the
community
that
would
prefer
a
long-term
lease.
I
will
hearken
back
to
the
2000
referendum
that
failed
miserably.
It
was
a
99-year
lease
for
almost
all
of
the
bluff
property.
It
was
for
a
dollar
a
year
at
the
same
time
that
company
that
was
going
to
develop
the
bluff
property
also
was
going
to
pay
a
million
dollars
a
year
to
maintain
coachman
park
for
the
city.
A
A
In
my
opinion,
the
city
ought
to
do
what
cities
do
and
developers
ought
to
do
what
they
do
do
and
we
ought
to
create
rich
soil
in
which
they
can
plant
the
seeds
for
growth.
But
you
know
some
people,
I
think,
would
prefer
to
see
a
lease.
I
think
there's
more
interest
in
leasing
the
harborview
property
by
citizens
that
I've
talked
to
and
not
as
much
heartburn
about
the
city
hall
property.
A
A
There
is
going
to
be
participation
with
the
city
in
some
ways.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we've
always
talked
about
is
participating
in
parking
because
we
have
a
fairly
robust
parking
fund.
We
do
have
a
cra
that
these
properties
sit
in.
We
have
incentives
that
we
give
every
day
right,
miss
thompson
or
offer
every
day
to
prospective
developers.
A
A
D
I
think
so
too,
but
I
also
think
there's
a
cost
and
so
those
value
that
the
values
of
those
asks,
I
think,
is
important
to
look
at.
So
if
you
know,
if
we
get
some
general
idea
by
thursday
and
then
you
know
the
lease
versus
purchase
price,
what
does
that
mean
for
revenue
coming
into
the
city?
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
I
had.
You
know
interest-free
loan,
the
values,
incentives,
the
values,
tax
revenue.
You
know
they
somewhat
abatements
and
things
like
that.
D
H
Well,
what
did
you
I
kind
of,
went
through
each
of
those
line
items
and
figured
some
put
some
kind
of
number
with
it,
which
one
did
you
want
to
know.
H
D
H
A
I've
been
called
worse
anything
else.
Anyone
wants
to
add
to
that.
I
agree
the
abatement,
you
know
loans,
all
of
those
things
enter
into
that
and
did
in
my
mind
and
then
the
design
was
integration
into
the
existing
structures
eastward
and
also
into
the
park
itself.
A
You
know
how
did
they
incorporate?
How
was
the
flow
between
osceola
and
the
park
view
corridors
things
like
that
and
just
good
design.
D
I
put
like
walkways
parking
multimodal
transportation.
You
know
access
points
into
the
park
multiple.
Are
they
similar
in
design
consistency,
unity,
things
like
that?
That's
what
I'm
looking
at
for
design
pleasing
to
the
eye.
I
guess.
G
A
D
I
had
is
staff
contacting
any
references.
Are
we
looking
at
the
length
of
time
that
they've
been
in
operation
the
number
of
developments
of
comparable
nature,
the
occupancy
rate
at
their
other
locations?
I
mean
those
are
types
of
things
that
I
think
might
fall
under
there.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
access
to
some
of
those
data
points
by
thursday.
B
I
mean
I
can
say
with
confidence
that
the
three
teams
that
you
have
they
have
done
what
you
see
in
those
proposals.
I
mean
a
google
search
and
reading
that
will
will
tell
you
that
now,
if
they
were
wonderful
to
work
with
or
difficult
that's
something
that
we
would
have
to
do.
You
know
follow-up
phone
calls
on,
but
for
what
you're?
Looking
at
today,
the
three
teams
are
have
presented
the
truth
of
what
they
have
constructed
and
managed
and
raised
funds
for.
A
A
You
know,
I
think
that
goes
to
some
of
the
green
space,
the
fact
that
they've
got
ground
level,
retail
and
you
know
the
different
projects.
So
it's
not
like.
We
are
selling
harbor
view
or
the
city
hall
site
and
the
citizens
of
clearwater
never
have
access
to
it
again,
they're
going
to
still
be
on
those
properties,
utilizing
those
properties
and
the
good
thing
is
they're
going
to
be
generating
revenue
that
helps,
support,
downtown
and
the
rest
of
the
city.
I
think
you
know
we
want
downtown
to
be
self-sufficient.
D
Well,
I
think,
to
adherence
you
know:
how
close
do
they
come
to?
You
know
what
what
our
goals
are
with
greenprint.
I
asked
a
lot
of
questions
about
ev
charging.
Are
they
you
know?
Are
they
ready?
Are
they?
There
are
three
different
levels?
Are
they
going
to
be
there?
Are
they
capable
and
are
they
ev
ready,
so
whether
it's
conduit
and
infrastructure,
underneath
whether
you've
got
the
box
ready
and
you
just
have
to
decide
who
you're
going
to
contract
with
or
whether
you've
got
it
offered
to
your
you
know
residence
or
hotel
visitors?
D
And
then
you
know
things
like
people
have
mentioned
in
here.
Developers
have
mentioned
the
highest
efficiency,
amenities,
appliances
and
things
like
that,
and
then
solar
on
the
roof.
You
know
so
I
asked
elevate
they're
ready
to
go.
Their
solar
is
from
day
one.
You
know
some
of
the
other
depictions
the
visuals.
I
don't
see
solar
on
some
of
those
buildings.
So
again,
I
know
those
are
the
devils
in
the
details
and
things
you
work
out
and
incentivize.
D
I
wanted
to
know
like:
what's
the
difference,
you
know
a
little
distinction
between
five
and
six
so
for
public
amenities
I
had
like,
I
think
it
was
osg
osg.
One
of
them
had
event
space
free,
free
event,
space,
a
themed
hotel
would
be
a
public
amenity,
outdoor
public
art
building.
The
bluff,
boardwalk,
you
know,
would
be
enhancing
the
park
with
the
solar
flower
free
wi-fi
it.
Those
are
things
I
had
under
public
amenities.
A
A
A
A
A
D
And
that
was
the
part
that
you
know
it
gets
flowery
and
there's
beautiful
discussions
about
dream,
big
and
all
that
which
is
great.
I
want
to
dream
big,
but
there's
also
a
check
to
be
written
for
for
all
that
at
the
end,
and
it
can
be
phased
in,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
all
there
at
day.
One
right
not.
A
Then
the
financial
strength,
I
think
financial
strength
is
imperative.
Do
they
have
the
ability
to
actually
pull
off
what
they're
recommending
and
then
finally,
the
attractiveness
to
residents
of
clearwater?
This
is
very
subjective,
and
I
think
when
we
go
out
on
the
street
and
talk
to
different
citizens,
they'll
have
very
different
opinions
on
what
is
important
to
them
in
order
to
see
their
way
clear
to
passing
the
referendum
yep.
A
We're
going
to
make
a
recommendation
to
them,
but
they're
going
to
make
the
final
vote.
D
A
I
you
know
they
gave
us
some
of
their
irrs
and
other
things.
I
don't
know
that
I
was
actually
surprised
to
see
that
when
I
started
going
through
the
presentations,
because
unless
we're
going
to
have
deal
structure
where
we're
getting
a
part
of
their
profitability,
it
really
is
an
a
of
our
business.
A
A
That's
really
up
to
how
efficient
they
are
as
a
business
operator
and
the
amenities
that
they
give
their
future
tenants
and
at
the
hotel
and
everything
else
so
going
down
that
path,
I'm
a
little
bit
leery
of
unless
we
are
participating
in
some
way.
Q
No,
I
mean
I
I
do
agree
with
that
part
I
mean
I
was
quite
interested,
though,
to
see
what
they
calculate
as
their
irr,
as
well
as
their
hurdle
rate.
You
know
I'd
be
interested
in
talking
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
with
them
as
to
how
they
came
up
with
some
of
their
hurdles.
I
understand
their
weighted
average
cost
of
capital,
which
seems
pretty
reasonable
but
interested
to
see
what
risk
premium
they
assign
and
things
like
that
to
me.
Q
If
there's
any
aspect
of
their
financials,
that
we
really
care
about,
it's
probably
less
about
their
irr
and
probably
more
about
their
hurdle
rate,
if
only
because
it
would
show
insight
into
how
do
they
view
downtown
clearwater
and
what
risk
premium
are
they
assigning
as
developers?
And
you
know
what
do
they
see
as
the
future,
so
I'm
more
insightful
for
that
reason
than
anything
else.
I
do
just
want
to
say
briefly
that
there
are
very
few
statutory
requirements
on
council
in
terms
of
disposing
of
property
within
the
community
redevelopment
area.
Q
In
other
words,
you
have
broad
freedom
in
deciding
what
factors
are
important
to
each
of
you
and
how
to
weight
them.
The
only
requirements
hard-baked
into
the
statute
are
that
you
must
consider
the
financial
and
legal
ability
of
each
developer
to
carry
them
out
and,
as
mrs
thompson
pointed
out,
I
think
that
all
three
of
these
respondents
are
certainly
more
than
capable.
E
That
was
that
was
my
next
question.
When
I,
when
I
saw
your
criteria,
I
pretty
much
stuck
to
a
lot
of
it.
I
only
did
the
values
associated
with
some
of
the
categories,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if,
if
that
was
okay
like
do,
we
have
to
insist
on
having
the
same
criteria
throughout
or
do
we
have
that
flexibility
of
determining
the
criteria
and
the
value
assigned
to
each?
E
A
I
was
trying
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
were
judging
on
a
similar
platform.
Okay
to
me,
financial
strength
is
one
of
the
most
important
things
I
come
from
that
world.
If
somebody
doesn't
have
the
wherewithal
to
pull
off
what
they're
promising,
then
the
other
categories
really,
frankly,
don't
matter.
A
D
I
had
just
a
couple
of
comments
about
the
number
eight
attractiveness
to
residents
of
clearwater.
So
a
couple
things
you
know
again
it's
very
subjective,
but
some
of
the
items
I
listed
was
if
we
had
some
component
of
you
know:
workforce
housing
and
the
one
that
was
put
in
writing.
There
was
an
option
to
consider
be
incentivized
for
120
ami
for
10
of
the
600
units.
So
it's
nearly
60..
D
I
think
attractiveness
to
residents
of
clearwater
includes
sustainability,
features,
retail
restaurants,
entertainment
and
learning
engaging
with
our
natural
environment
and
some
connection
to
you
know
either
the
music
or
our
water.
You
know
here
being
on
the
coast.
I
wonder
about
something:
to
bring
families
in
what
what
do
those
visions?
Look
like
a
welcoming
of
mixed
transportation
that
it's
creative,
it's
unique!
It's
iconic
again,
all
those
things
are
subjective,
whatever
it
looks
like,
but
I
think
you
know,
like
you
said
it's
a.
D
A
I
agree
with
all
those
I
have
to
ask
a
question
and
I'm
gonna
look
like
the
jerk
okay,
but
I'm
okay
with
that,
I
don't
necessarily
think
affordable
housing
goes
on
water
from
property.
A
I
mean
I,
I
just
don't
necessarily
think
if
you're
looking
for
affordable
housing
that
you
get
to
live
on
the
water,
I
don't
live
on
the
water,
and
let
me
explain
where
I'm
also
going
with
this,
because
we
could
say
that
we
want
x
number
of
units
that
are
workforce
housing
and
you
know,
even
if
we're
120
of
ami,
if
one
of
the
developers
can
lease
that
up
for
regular
market
rate,
that
makes
them
more
profitable
right.
A
A
A
D
Well,
I
would
answer
that.
You
know:
we've
had
four
community
meetings
about
what
are
the
big
concerns
for
our
residents
as
far
as
strategic
plan
and
focus,
as
well
as
arpa
funding
priorities,
and
they
came
back
resoundingly
with
housing
options
and
they
also
came
back
with
more
job
opportunities
and,
more.
You
know
higher
paying
jobs.
D
And-
and
I
just
I
think,
if,
if
we
are
going
to
be
leaders
and
put
our
values
out
in
front
of
the
community
and
say
that
we
believe
that
people-
professionals
who
work
in
our
community
professionals
who
work
for
our
city,
professional
nurses,
who
work
at
you-
know
morton
plant
that
that
they
deserve
to
have
housing
in
our
community.
And
when
we're
in
control
with
the
land
and
the
contracts.
D
We
have
the
opportunity
to
allocate
a
small
percentage
of
it
for
our
essential
workers,
our
workforce
people
who
earn
120
ami-
and
you
know,
yeah
it's
nice-
to
live
close
to
the
water,
but
we're
talking
10
percent-
and
I
just
I
find
like
when
we
went
through
covid
and
we
went
out
and
we
cheered
our
our
hospital
workers
for
working.
D
You
know
for
us
a
small
percentage,
as
the
group
from
gotham
said
they're
required
in
their
city
to
do
that.
It's
just
standard
operating
procedure
and
different.
You
know,
municipalities
do
that.
So
I
think
it's
worth
a
look.
It's
not
a
deal
breaker,
but
I
think
it's
it's
something
to
be
championed
and
applauded
if
we're
open
to
that.
D
A
A
AB
It's
important
for
us
as
staff
to
convey
our
impressions.
Okay.
You
know
it's
interesting
for
me
because
I
sat
on
both
sides
of
the
table
and
I
developed
property
in
new
england
and
I've,
of
course,
been
city
manager
in
new
england
city,
but
being
out
here
for
the
last
eight
months.
AB
In
some
ways,
well,
I
find
the
experience
here
at
clearwater
fascinating,
because
we
have
two
spectacular
pieces
of
product
and
I
mean
spectacular,
and
you
know
we-
we
should
not
diminish
those
the
value
of
those
parcels,
but
also
the
value
of
the
city.
I
recognize
that
our
downtown
isn't
as
vibrant
as
others,
but
that's
coming
and
it
will
come,
but
I
think
that
what
we
have
before
us,
particularly
the
council,
is
really
once
in
a
generation
decision,
and
I
really
think
that
that's
how
serious
this
is.
AB
Boston
did
a
horrible
thing
with
their
waterfront,
essentially
they've
rolled
off
the
water.
So
you
could
drive
through
boston
today
and
not
even
know
that
boston
harbor
is
behind
the
buildings
and
what
I
find
with
one
of
these
projects
is
they
they're
proposing
to
do
the
exact
opposite
to
view
corridors?
AB
Tara
kibbett
who's,
our
engineering
director
sure
chair
is
back
there,
denise
sanderson,
our
economic
development
director,
david
margolis
who's,
our
city
attorney,
michael
vino,
assistant
city
attorney,
cra
in
planning
and
then
matt
matthew,
mitch,
who's.
Also,
an
assistant
attorney
assistant
city
attorney
for
planning
we
jay
ravens
was
invited
to
be
a
part
of
that.
Unfortunately,
he
couldn't
make
it,
but
he
is
providing
comments
after
the
fact.
AB
So
we
believe-
and
at
the
outset
of
the
meeting
we
talked
about
how
incredibly
fortunate
the
city
is
to
have
received
three
incredible
proposals
from
three
developers
who
have
a
standard
committed
to
excellence
and
way
in
the
way
in
which
they
do
business
so
they're
well,
capitalized
they
have.
They
have
a
track
record
of
success.
AB
However,
there
were
some
deficiencies
in
in
a
few
of
the
proposals.
You
know,
mr
deb
has
done
a
really
remarkable
renovation,
prop
project
at
apex
and,
of
course
everyone
mentioned
that
as
part
of
their
comments.
AB
And
I
think
for
us,
as
we
looked
through
that
the
proposal
from
gsp,
we
did
not
find
it
dense
enough.
We
felt
as
though
that
we
needed
to
have
more
units
of
housing,
particularly
in
our
downtown.
You
know
to
animate
and
activate
the
things
that
we
all
want
to
see
and
also
the
price
3.5
million.
That
was
well
underpriced
considering,
but
with
all
that
said,
you
know,
I.
AB
I
think
he
brought
forward
a
very
interesting
proposal,
but
there
were
some
deficiencies
from
staff's
perspective,
elevate,
clearwater,
the
again
a
very
interesting
group,
actually
groups,
because
there's
multiple
partners
in
that
we
all
of
us-
have
some
relationship
in
some
form
or
fashion
with
members
of
of
that
of
the
groups.
AB
AB
AB
We
found
their
proposal,
and
this
was
unanimous
as
the
one
that
we
wanted
to
recommend
to
the
city
council.
AB
We
feel
as
though
they
brought
forward
a
visionary
approach,
really
in
many
ways,
a
holistic
approach
to
the
integration
of
imagine,
clearwater
and
not
just
not
just
a
simplistic
way
of
approaching
of
integrating
the
park
and
the
and
their
project,
but
really
in
a
way
in
which
whether
there's
public
subsidy,
which
honestly
any
of
these
well
except
for
gsp,
because
they
simply
are
not
looking
at
looking
for
that.
But
the
remaining
two
are
definitely
going
to
need
some
subsidy.
AB
We
have
to
be
willing
to
commit
to
that
to
maximize
the
vision
for
this
parcel
these
parcels.
So,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
way
in
which
they
positioned
their
buildings,
they
created
view
corridors
which
are
essential
not
only
for
you
know
the
public,
but
in
order
to
realize
that
you
know
just
the
design,
it's
it's
a
more
sensitive
approach
to
the
way
in
which
they've
designed
this
this
their
project
and,
of
course,
on
the
other
side.
On
the
harbor
view
parcel.
AB
You
know
they
brought
forward
a
hotel
concept
and
you
know
with
some
other
amenities
included
in
that
you
know
the
thousand-person
event
space
and
which
I
believe
was
needed
in
our
city,
and
there
are
some
non-profits
that
cannot
find
location
space
in
order
to
just
have
their
meetings
in
the
city.
So
I
think
that
those
that,
but
also
elevate,
also
propose
that
as
well.
AB
AB
So
you
know
you
have
to
factor
that
in
and
you
have
to
recognize
that
there
will
be
a
need
for
that.
So
bottom
line
is,
you
know
for
all
of
us
who
were
on
the
review
committee
on
friday.
I
Mr
duncan,
I
agree
with
you
that
of
all
three
of
these,
that
seems
to
be
the
most
transformative,
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
of
things.
I
They
talked
about
10
workhouse,
workforce
housing,
which
I
I
think
is
fair
and
with
the
money
that
will
come
in
from
these
properties,
we'll
be
able
to
afford
affordable
housing
nearby.
I
I
Then
the
other
thing
back
in
2000
when
this
referendum
came
up
before
it
was
voted
down
and
right
before
the
vote,
the
saint
pete
times
ran
a
story
about
a
poll
that
showed
66
percent
of
the
people,
thought
that
it
would
only
benefit
scientology
and
even
if
it
was
downtown,
was
developed,
they
still
wouldn't
come
down
here.
I
don't
think
that's
the
case
anymore.
I
I
think
we
are
ready
to
break
this
50-year
curse.
That's
been
put
on
our
downtown,
but
in
order
for
the
people
who
are
going
to
vote
for
this
to
feel
confident,
we
didn't
hear
any
plans
from
any
any
of
the
three
developers.
I
Any
commitment
that
they're
not
going
to
flip
the
property
in
10
years,
for
example-
I
I
would,
I
think,
that's
important
that
I
don't
know
if
you
know
mr
margolis
could
put
something
into
the
contract
if
it
can
be
negotiated.
That.
I
Q
We
have
so
there
are
a
couple
different
ways.
This
can
be
structured.
What
I
would
suggest
is
this,
I
mean
scientology
aside.
I
do
think
it's
important
to
the
city
that
we
have
a
developer,
who
is
committed
to
the
long-term
success
of
downtown
clearwater,
and
at
least
if
council
is
interested
in
proceeding
with
gotham,
believes
mr
denunzio
earlier
indicated.
They
are
in
for
the
long
term
and
have
no
intention
of
pulling
out.
I
do
think
that
is
something
that
needs
to
be
discussed
that
can
be
structured
in
a
couple
different
ways.
Q
So
in
a
purchase
agreement,
of
course,
it's
a
little
bit
more
complicated
than
a
lease
because
at
least
has
a
fixed
term.
So
in
a
purchase
agreement,
for
example,
there
can
be
anti-alienation
provisions
that
restrict
the
ability
of
a
property
owner
to
sell
or
transfer
the
fee
within
a
certain
period
of
time.
Q
There
are
other
ways
that
we
can
structure
that,
but
I
accept
mr
denunzia's
representation
at
face
value
which,
if
council
does
move
forward
with
gotham,
I
believe
is
something
that
we
would
put
into
our
agreement
with
them,
but
it
would
not
be
focused
on
scientology
or
even
non-profits.
Q
It
would
simply
be
ensuring
that
whoever
our
developer
is
is
committed
to
this
for
the
long
term,
and
I
recognize
that's
not
always
the
case
when
it
comes
to
commercial
development,
oftentimes,
it's
very
common
in
multi-family
housing
for
a
developer
to
come
in,
and
maybe
they
have
a
holding
period
of
five
years,
seven
years
ten
years
and
then
they
do
flip
it,
and
that
is
commercially
reasonable
in
many
circumstances.
Q
But
if
it's
important
to
this
council
to
work
with
an
entity
who
is
really
committed
to
the
long-term
success
of
downtown
clearwater
is
not
going
to
pull
out
after
say,
seven
years,
then
that
is
something
that
we
need
to
know
and
certainly
that
feedback.
I
think,
needs
to
be
given
to
me
and
mr
jennings,
if
that's
important,
to
counsel.
A
Anything
else
dad
anything
else
for
mr
jennings,
yes,
councilmember,
aldrin,.
H
H
I
do
agree
with
our
city
manager
that
some
seemed
a
little
bit
better
than
others
because
of
density
to
me,
but
I
want
to
thank
no
matter
who
we
pick
there's
one
winner
and
there's
two
that
don't
win,
and
you
know
that
going
into
this
so
using
the
mayor's
sheet
yesterday
I
tallied
it
up
and
they
were
all
very,
very
close,
but
I
seem
to
have
come
up
with
the
bluffs,
as
the
number
one
choice
elevate
is
number
two
in
gsp
is
number
three
for
the
reasons
we
have
been
discussing
on
the
dice
here.
H
So
that's
we'll
see
what
what
comes
up
thursday,
but
right
now,
that's
the
way.
It
looks
for
me.
A
Anything
to
add
at
this
time.
No,
I
smear
all
right.
Well,
I
want
to
thank
all
three
groups
for
proposing
all
the
time
that
has
gone
into
this.
I
know
it
is
significant,
especially
with
the
time
frames
we
were
dealing
with,
I'm
going
to
save
the
rest
of
my
comments
for
thursday.
We're
going
to
adjourn
this
meeting
and
roll
right
into
pension
trustees.
AC
AD
AD
E
Move
to
approve
then
item
4.3.
A
AE
Good
morning,
mayor
council
managers
and
city
staff,
I'm
christopher
hubbard
cultural
affairs
coordinator
for
the
city
since
1986,
the
plum
house
has
been
located
on
the
city
property
at
nc
right
park.
The
vocal
license
agreement
you
have
before
you
this
morning
extends
the
presence
of
the
plum
house
owned
by
the
clearwater
historical
society,
which
is
the
city's
historical
society
here
at
the
park
for
another
15-year
term
ending
in
june
2037..
AE
With
that
said,
I'll
answer,
any
questions
to
the
best
of
my
ability.
AC
AE
This
agreement
allows
the
community
service
foundation
to
program
and
make
improvements
to
the
plum
house
located
at
sea
wright
park.
Improvements
made
of
the
house
will
be
done
so
through
a
partnership
with
local
design
and
construction
contractors
to
restore
the
house
to
a
safe,
secure
and
serviceable
condition.
That's
in
accordance
with
its
associ,
its
historic
status.
AE
A
D
I'm
so
excited
about
this.
Chris.
I
have
a
couple
things:
do
we
have
a
target
date
that
the
renovations
would
be
completed
and
open?
I
can
ask
mr
thiebe.
I
know
that
it
is
dependent.
D
Right
and
my
second
follow-up
question
relates
to
those
fundraising
efforts
of
monies.
So
I'm
thinking
I
don't
know
if
there
are
waivers
or
exceptions,
but
I'm
thinking
it
might
be
a
little
costly
to
make
that
building
ada
compliant.
Does
it
have
to
be
made
ada
compliant?
Does
it
get
grandfathered
in
and
is
there
any
way
the
city
you
know
might
be
able
to
help
with
some
of
that.
AE
Today
there
is
a
ramp
that
accesses
the
back
of
the
building,
so
that
provides
some
compliance
to
get
within
the
building
to
meet
those
needs.
I
can
speak
with
mr
thiebe,
an
appropriate
city
staff
to
see
if
a
improvement
to
that
is
needed,
or
if
just
repairing
and
bringing
it
up
to
a
better
condition,
will
satisfy
88.
D
D
A
G
Well,
the
owner
probably
would
want
to
try
to
get
it
designated
as
the
owner
so
until
it
has
some
sort
of
official
designation,
it
can't
fall
under
any
exemptions,
but
the
florida
building
code
may
give
it.
But
if
it's
something
that
you're
interested
in
pursuing
at
some
point,
we'd
love
to
see
that
move
forward.
O
O
B
D
G
Fine,
okay,
well,
the
city
or
the
owner
can
be
the
applicant
yeah.
Okay,.
D
A
Any
other
questions
we
want
to
thank
the
historical
society,
obviously,
and
also
the
community
service
foundation,
both
do
a
great
job
in
the
community,
we're
blessed
to
have
them
consent,
yes,
3.3.
Thank
you.
AB
Mayor
and
city
council,
as
you
know,
over
the
last
several
months,
city
staff
has
been
working
through
a
reorganization
of
our
departments,
with
a
focus
on
creating
a
more
efficient
approach
to
our
core
services,
as
we've
discussed
in
the
past,
the
city
currently
is
the
way
in
which
the
the
city
addresses
sidewalks,
for
instance,
multiple
departments
has
that
responsibility.
AB
It's
an
effort
on
our
I'll
take
responsibility.
My
my
behalf
is
to
try
to
really
get
back
to
focusing
on
core
services
and
doing
those
to
the
point
of
of
excellence.
I
also
believe
that
we
need
to
start
looking
at
the
future.
Hence
the
reason
why
we're
asking
for
the
creation
of
the
office
of
innovation,
mr
maxwell,
will
lead
you
through
the
revised
or
chart.
That
was
a
question
previously.
W
Thank
you
mayor,
commissioner.
This
is
this,
is
the
org
chart
here.
This
is
the
new
one.
I
do
have
the
other
one
available.
I
certainly
can
pull
it
up
if
needed,
but
just
starting
over
on
the
left
side
here
under
what's
titled
acm1,
what
mr
jennings
talked
a
little
bit
about
about
refocusing
on
the
core.
This
is.
This
is
sort
of
a
two
level.
Centralization
of
of
public
works
type
type
functions.
One
one
was
putting
the
actual
department
together.
W
Public
works
having
now
all
of
the
right-of-way
functions
outside
of
public
utilities,
as
well
as
what
is
currently
an
engineering
department
being
merged
and
together
in
the
public
works
department.
The
second
centralization
was
really
centralizing.
All
of
the
public
service
and
infrastructure
type
functions
under
one
assistant,
city
manager.
You
can
see
here
it's
it's
public
works
public
utilities,
clearwater
gas
and
solid
waste
general
services.
W
At
this
point,
moving
on
to
the
to
the
central
portion,
those
direct
reports
to
the
city
manager,
they
would
include
the
office
of
innovation
that
mr
jennings
mentioned
a
moment
ago,
but
also
focused
in
on
on
placing
the
public
safety
and
sort
of
core
service
elements.
Finance
hr,
the
city
clerk
public
communications,
all
under
this
under
the
same
individual,
that
being
mr
jennings,
so.
W
Departments
that
are
being
formulated,
office
of
innovation
and
public
works.
The
third
change
to
the
org
chart
was
really
related
to
the
to
the
one
that's
identified
as
ecm2.
W
The
cra
would
be
shifting
over
under
that
individual
and,
and
then
you
know,
of
course,
the
firing
city
clerk
on
the
on
the
central
side
was
both
of
those
positions
were
moved
or
departments
were
moved
over
from,
as
was
financed
from
the
acm-1
you
can
see,
finance
is
listed
in
green
there.
That
is
because
we
have
actually
part
of
this
agenda
item
is
to
is
to
discontinue
the
utility
customer
service
department
and
and
then
create
a
division
within
finance.
W
Additionally,
there
is
a
the
creation
of
a
right-of-way
division
that
would
be
placed
inside
of
public
works
as
well.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
will
say
that
this
the
org
chart
here
with
the
action
today
doesn't
necessarily
doesn't
necessarily
obligate
us
to
to
ftd
approvals.
Anything
like
that.
What
we're
asking
for
is
the
creation
of
the
departments
we
will,
with
the
creation
of
the
department's,
need
to
have
department
heads
for
those
those
two
positions,
whether
or
not
we
have
to.
W
We
have
to
find
those
via
reallocation
of
current
resources
or,
as
we
have
requested,
get
those
as
new
resources
in
the
new
budget.
You
know
we'll
determine
at
a
later
date.
We
did
include
so
you
have
a
good
understanding
of
it.
The
requests
for
all
of
the
different
positions
that
we
discussed
at
the
last
meeting
we'll
have
some
further
conversation
about
that
later,
but
we
did
want
that
information
to
you
today.
E
So
I
like
the
restructuring
a
lot
of
it
is
streamlining,
especially
the
customer
service
part.
When
I
looked
at
this
organizational
chart
last
night,
I
was
a
little
bit
taken
aback
that
the
office
of
innovation
wouldn't
be
under
one
of
the
assistant
city.
AB
Well,
from
my
perspective,
it
is
a
an
area
in
which
I've
taken
a
great
deal
of
interest
in
over
my
time
in
public
service.
I
have
a
lot
of
background
in
this
particular
area.
AB
E
AB
Well,
so
I
do
think
that
both
areas
we
need
to
innovate
most
recently,
you
know
we
had
not
been
doing
much
in
the
past
on
on
pride
month.
Juneteenth
is
coming
up.
Those
are
areas
in
which
I
find
this.
As
you
know,
sometimes,
innovation,
people
think
exclusively
in
on
the
technology
side,
and
I
I
think
that
is
a
fairly
narrow
focus,
because
innovation
is
really
looking
at
everything
within
an
organization
and
figuring
out
ways
to
improve.
AB
D
Not
really
I
like
it,
I
I
like
it
as
well.
I
appreciate
council
member
to
share's
questions.
I
I
like
the
explanation
you
have
about
having
the
arts
and
neighborhoods
and
sustainability
fall
under
in
a
office
of
innovation.
I
like
that
it
reports
directly
to
you,
because
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
key
about
being
a
leader
in
in
our
region.
One
thing
that
just
struck
me
as
looking
at
the
assistant
city
manager
too,
that's
a
whole
lot.
D
D
You
know
because,
potentially
that's
two
cras,
our
parks
and
rec
is
a
huge
department,
planning
and
development
again
huge
economic
development
and
housing
there
plus
two
cras.
That's
a
whole
lot
of
really
important
stuff.
W
From
an
employee
account
actually
assistant
city
manager,
one
has
more,
there
are
some
more
complexities
on
on
the
acm
2
side,
but
from
just
a
gross
number
of
employees.
Perspective
acm1
has
the
most.
A
You
know
it's
that
when
we
it
actually
leave
that
one
up
and
then
people
can
pull
up
the
old,
org
chart
and
kind
of
see
how
many
departments
it's
really
happening
is
the
city
manager
is
taking
on
more
direct
ownership
in
the
new
org
chart.
I
believe
I
think
the
work
chart
has
needed
to
be
altered
for
a
very
long
time.
J
A
AF
AB
As
we
we've
talked
about
this,
I
know-
and
you
legitimately
have
do-
have
a
concern,
but
we're
also
adding
a
lot
more
responsibility
on
city
staff.
With
the
opening
of
imagine
clearwater,
you
know
it's.
AB
We
know
this
community
expects
a
lot
right
and
we
have
to
have
the
appropriate
staffing
levels
to
be
in
order
to
be
able
to
be
responsive
and,
for
instance,
you
know
the
downtown
there's.
A
lot
of
folks
would
love
to
see
a
lot
more
activation,
more
events,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
add
an
event
manager
as
well
as
event
staff
in
from
crestlake
park.
AB
AB
A
It's
still
hard
to
approve
all
this
without
understanding
the
final
impact
on
the
budget,
because
if
you
come
back
and
ask
for
a
millage
increase
with
these
additional
fts,
then
I'm
not
going
to
give
it
to
you
this,
at
least
I'm
not
yeah.
You
may
get
a
4-1,
we
won't
be
asking,
but
I'm
not
going
to
be
there
not
when
I
see
the
property
value
increases
that
we're
getting
again
this
year,
which
mr
twitty
has
sent
out
a
couple
weeks
ago.
A
AF
Yeah
at
this
point
we
will
not
be
requesting
a
millage
increase.
Our
property
values
did
grow,
definitely
12
or
12
percent.
Our
taxable
values
grew
over
12
percent,
so
I
mean
that
was
increased
revenue
absolutely,
but
there
is
not
a
proposed
millage
increase
that
we'll
see.
AF
You
know
a
few
things
change
as
we're
kind
of
getting
closer
to
finishing
the
budget
where
it
might
shift
the
year,
but
it's
still,
I
believe
it's
still
out
into
it's
very
close
to
what
I
presented
in
at
the
april
meeting.
That
was,
I
think,
28
it's
probably
close
to
there.
Maybe
it
moved
up
here,
but.
A
A
A
You
know
people
aren't
paying
over
asking
price.
Those
are
all
telltale
signs
that
you
know
the
buffet
is
no
longer
open
and
I
just
harken
back
to
2007,
and
I
just
I
just
want
to
be
careful
in
the
way
that
we
ramp
up
additional
employees.
We
have
to
have
a
revenue
source
for
them.
A
And
I
understand
that
I've
been
in
government
longer
than
you
have,
but
just
understand
when
we
say
scale
up
and
scale
back.
Those
are
people
yeah.
You
know
because
people
are
the
ones
that
deliver
services
and
that's
in
this
city
and
the
other
thing
is,
we
will
always
have
more
demand
than
we
have
supply.
AB
Now
that'll
be
up
to
the
city
council
as
to
how
many
new
positions
I
will
also
say,
I
think
that
jennifer
poyer,
who
did
a
a
really
terrific
job
of
analyzing
and
her
staff
and
others,
did
a
really
terrific
job
of
looking
at
the
positions
that
have
been
open
for
two
and
three
years
and
eliminating
many
30
of
those
positions
in
order
to
reduce
the
overall
impact
of
the
new
position.
So
so
we
we
have
definitely
tried
to
take
a
fiscally
responsible
approach.
A
W
H
J
AF
Good
morning,
mayor
council,
kaylene
castle
budget
officer,
this
is
the
mid-year
budget
review
for
the
fiscal
year
21
22
budget.
This
reports-
this
report
reflects
six
months
of
activity
october
through
march
and
also
includes
council
action
to
date
in
the
general
fund,
revenues
and
expenditures
are
increased
by
10
million
119
758.
AF
Also
at
mid
year,
we
are
transferring
seven
million
three
hundred
fifty
thousand
of
general
fund
reserves
to
provide
the
remaining
funding
needed
for
the
city
hall
project
as
discussed
in
february.
Other
general
fund
amendments
include
an
increase
of
400
000
in
planning
and
development
to
account
for
increased
contractual
services
for
building
inspection
and
plans
review.
AF
This
is
offset
by
an
increased
building
permit
revenue,
an
increase
of
thirty
thousand
sixty
three
dollars
for
the
refurbishment
of
command
vehicles
in
the
police
department,
which
is
offset
by
revenues
returned
from
the
capital
fund,
adjusted
for
all
items
listed
in
this
report.
The
general
fund
reserves
are
approximately
54.2
million
or
32.9
percent
of
the
current
year's
general
fund
budget.
This
exceeds
our
minimum
reserve
requirement
by
40.2
million
dollars
at
mid
year
in
the
gas
fund,
expenditures
are
increased
by
a
total
of
six
million
four
hundred
sixty
one
thousand
nine
hundred
forty
five
dollars.
AF
Significant
amendments
include
an
increase
of
six
million,
seven
hundred
eleven
thousand
nine
hundred
and
gas
commodities
for
resale
and
a
decrease
of
300
000
in
to
enter
fund
transfers
for
the
annual
gas
dividend.
Payment
gas
sales
revenues
are
increased
to
offset
this
expenditure
in
the
marine
fund
expenditures
reflect
an
increase
of
1
million
for
marine
fuel
for
resale.
This
is
due
to
price
increases
and
demand
increases
as
well.
Offsetting
amendments
are
made
to
increase
fuel
cell
revenues.
AF
Amendments
to
the
parking
fund
expenditures
reflect
a
transfer
of
five
hundred
thousand
to
the
parking
facilities
project
to
find
renovations
of
the
msb
garage.
Budgeted
revenues
in
the
parking
fund
are
sufficient
to
cover
this
increase
in
the
capital
improvement
fund.
A
net
increase
of
twelve
million
seven
hundred
twenty
four
thousand
924
dollars
is
reflected
at
mid-year.
AF
The
following
amendment
amendments
represent
increases
to
capital
funds
or
actions
for
actions
previously
approved
by
the
council.
This
includes
an
increase
of
1.5
million
in
parking
revenues
for
the
parking
facilities
project,
an
increase
of
350
000
of
open
space
impact
fee
revenues
in
the
parkland
acquisition
project,
an
increase
of
2
million
289
695
of
general
fund
revenues
in
the
clearwater
harbor
marina
project
and
an
increase
of
65
000
in
grant
revenues
from
fdot
and
13
000
of
administrative
services.
Revenue
for
the
air
park
security
system
upgrade
project.
AF
Other
significant
amendments
to
capital
projects
in
this
report
include
the
transfer
of
seven
million
three
hundred
fifty
thousand
of
general
fund
reserves
to
the
new
city
hall
project,
an
increase
of
two
hundred
ninety
nine
thousand
reimbursed
for
trade
and
credit
of
in
the
p25
radio
equipment
project.
An
increase
of
one
hundred
forty
nine
thousand
five
hundred
sixty
six
dollars
reimbursed
from
pinellas
county
in
the
aerial
truck
project;
an
increase
of
one
hundred
twenty
nine
thousand
nine
hundred
seven
dollars
in
parking
revenues
in
the
seminal
boat
ramp
project.
AF
Finally,
in
the
special
program
fund,
an
increase
of
eight
hundred
four
thousand
thirty
dollars
is
reflected
at
mid
year.
Significant
amendments
include
include
an
increase
of
forty
one
thousand
seven
hundred
ninety
nine
dollars
in
public
safety;
grant
revenues
for
federal
forfeiture,
sharing
and
pedestrian
bicycle
safety;
thirty
thousand
to
account
for
police
overtime,
reimbursements
from
various
law
enforcement
agencies.
AF
Six
thousand
nine
hundred
fifty
two
dollars
in
community
development
block
grant
program
income.
Five
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars
of
foreclosure
registry
fees
have
been
collected,
one
hundred
twenty
thousand
four
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
in
fines
and
court
proceeds
collected
in
public
safety
programs
in
the
tree
replacement
program.
AF
D
AF
D
Eight,
okay
and
that'll
be
the
same
thing
with
that
marine
fund.
Then
exactly
okay,
and
then
I
probably
have
asked
this
question
before.
But
I
don't
remember
what
the
answer
is
under
you
meant
again
on
page
2043,
it's
this
increase
of
50
under
capital
improvement
program,
increase
of
fifty
thousand
in
donation,
revenues
for
the
long
center
infrastructure,
repairs
project,
and
then
you've
got
donation,
revenues
to
support
parks
and
library,
programs,
eleven
thousand
something
something.
What
are
donation
revenues.
AF
It's
where
somebody
has
made
a
donation,
so
somebody
made
a
donation
to
the
long
center.
I
don't
know
exactly
the
details.
It
might
have
actually
been
from
an
estate.
Okay,
I
think,
in
the
long
center
it
was
okay
in
the
special
program
fund.
We
get
donation
revenues,
often
like
library,
they
collect
from
friends
of
the
library,
and
so
we
just.
A
D
AG
Thank
you
chuck
lane
economic
development
housing
department.
As
you
all
know,
we
receive
annual
allocations
from
the
state
housing
initiatives,
partnership
program
and
with
that
comes
the
requirement
that
we
that
we
produce
a
list
of
city-owned
properties
that
are
appropriate
for
use
as
affordable
housing.
Council
must
approve
the
list
every
three
years.
That's
a
state
statute.
AG
Now
five
of
those
lots
can
be
combined
for
a
multi-family
project.
So
there's
really
only
four
potential
development
sites
all
are
vacant.
The
five
foot
lot
assemblage.
I
mentioned
it's
small
with
low
densities,
it's
0.44
acres,
it's
in
the
north
greenwood
area.
There
are
two
single
family
lots
also
in
the
north
greenwood
area,
and
we
have
a
1.3
acre
site
in
the
lake
bellevue
neighborhood
suitable
for
a
multi-family
project.
So
I'll
take
questions.
Please.
D
AG
AG
To
try
to
work
through
a
cr8,
the
cra
process,
see
if
increased
densities
come
out
of
that
or
even
the
change
in
land
use,
but
we're
on
hold
with
that
one.
The
other
one
is
in
lake
bellevue.
The
density
there
will
allow
up
to
24
units,
I'm
working
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
city
manager,
on
an
rfp
that
we'll
put
out
shortly
that
will
call
for
a
home
ownership,
multi-family
project.
AH
Good
afternoon,
mayor
and
council
jay
ravens
finance
director
with
this
item,
we're
requesting
your
approval
of
a
supplemental
resolution
for
the
sale
of
not
to
exceed
30
million
dollars
of
non-ad
valorem
revenue
bonds.
For
the
imagine,
clearwater
project
council
previously
approved
resolution
19-34
in
late
2019
and
ordinance
9357-20
in
early
2020
authorizing
the
sale
of
the
bonds.
AH
The
supplemental
resolution
also
authorizes
award
of
sale
to
the
lowest
conforming
bidder
per
a
competitive
public
sale,
authorizes
execution
and
delivery
of
an
official
statement
and
also
execution
and
delivery
of
a
disclosure
dissemination
agent
agreement.
Finally,
the
resolution
authorizes
certain
city
officials
to
execute
documents
on
your
behalf.
A
AI
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
jeremy
brown,
engineering
manager,
manager.
This
project
will
repair
and
or
replace
some
of
the
control
gates
at
the
marshall
street
water
reclamation
facility,
the
control
gates
allow
plant
operators
to
balance
the
flow
rates
into
the
various
aeration
tanks.
They
also
allow
operations
to
isolate
the
tanks
for
maintenance.
I'm
happy
to
respond
to
any
questions
any.
AJ
Good
afternoon
mayor
hebert
councilman,
my
name
is
tom
jensen,
retired
clearwater
fireman
previously
served
as
a
trustee
on
the
supplemental
board,
but
currently
prior
to
my
retirement,
currently
the
plant
administrator
for
the
fund.
The
item
before
you
is
to
reappoint
a
resident
trustee
to
our
board.
AJ
State
law
allows
a
resident
appointee
if
they're
so
willing
to
succeed
themselves.
So
mr
carpenter
was
a
former
employee
of
the
city
for
a
number
of
years
he's
currently,
the
city
manager
finance
director
at
indian
rocks
beach
he's
expressed
the
willingness
to
to
do
another
four-year
term,
so
we're
just
asking
for
his
reappointment.
AK
Good
afternoon,
mayor
council,
scott
ellis
fire,
chief
clearwater
power
and
rescue,
this
request
is
for
ratification
of
the
purchase
of
one
pierce
velocity
pumper
engine
from
tanning
fire
equipment.
Who
is
the
local
dealer
for
pierce
fire
apparatus
in
the
amount
of
seven
173
and
138
dollars?
This
engine
will
be
replacing
agent
50
located
in
the
countryside
area,
and
that
unit
will
be
then
placed
in
reserve
status
and
vehicle
g2611
will
be
declared
surplus
with
your
approval
as
well.
This
engine
meets
our
vehicle
replacement
guidelines
in
2023.
AK
This
is
for
the
next
year
with
a
10-year
frontline
service
and
five
years
reserve
clearwater
fire
rescues,
utilize,
pierce
manufacturing
due
to
the
quality
apparatus
they
provide,
which
meets
the
operational
needs
of
our
department.
Additionally,
this
engine
will
be
similar
as
all
our
other
engines,
so
consistency,
improvisation,
for
not
only
the
firefighters
but
also
the
mechanics,
proves
more
efficiency.
AK
But
at
that
time
I
did
not
know
pierce
was
going
to
extend,
nor
did
they
their
the
pricing
for
almost
two
years,
which
puts
us
into
the
2023
budget
year
to
give
some
perspective
the
engine
that
we
approved
in
january.
AK
If
we
were
to
go
october
1
it
would
have
cost
us
14.5
percent
more
than
what
we
actually
paid
for,
which
is
about
a
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
We
saved
the
unit
now
that
we
were
approved
for
the
which
we're
asking
for
the
rat,
buy
and
confirm
that
we
asked
on
may
1st
is
actually
saving
the
city
approximately
fifty
seven
thousand
dollars.
D
Yes,
just
have
one
on
when
on
the
legislative
text,
I'm
I'm
all
about
saving
money,
I
love
to
save
money
and
when,
when
the
city
does
good
things
to
save
residents
money,
I
think
we
need
to
really
highlight
that,
but
you've
got
garage
charges
on
the
new
vehicle
are
expected
to
be
less
than
the
replaced
vehicle.
Why
is
that?
Is
it.
AK
Because,
as
they
get
older,
the
the
wear
and
tear
that
are
that
we
put
on
these
trucks
again
the
biggest
thing
with
the
fire
service
vehicles.
Is
this
we're?
Not?
We
don't
drive
these
things
like
everybody
else,
we
go
from
from
a
dead,
stop
to
a
hard.
You
know
fast
response
to
us.
It's
a
slow,
stop,
really
quick
and
that
repetitive
action
over
and
over
and
over
again
really
wears
and
tears
on
the
engines
and
drive
trains
to
these
vehicles.
D
AC
AL
You
brothers
in
planning
and
development,
so
this
voluntary
annexation
request
was
passed
on
first
reading
on
august
19th
of
2021
and
involves
a
0.186
acre
property
consisting
of
one
parcel
of
land.
A
second
reading
of
this
annexation
was
delayed
because
the
applicant
was
building
a
single-family
home
on
this
property
and
the
certificate
of
occupancy
has
been
issued
to
that
property
and
due
to
the
amount
of
time
that
has
lapsed.
Since
the
first
hearing
in
august
of
2021,
new
ordinance
numbers
have
been
assigned
to
reflect
the
current
year.
AL
AL
D
I
A
AC
Schedule
a
special
council
meeting
on
thursday
july
7
2022
at
6
00
p.m.
Council
members,
current
council
rule,
does
not
allow
or
does
not
have
a
second
meeting
in
july,
but
staff
is
requesting
that
council
schedule
the
meeting
on
july
7th
to
accommodate
the
first
reading
of
the
referendum
question
and
also
for
council
to
review
the
development
agreement
for
the
bluff
properties.
Q
No
other
than
to
say
it's
essential,
I
mean
if
we
want
to
make
the
november
ballot,
we
have
to
have
two
readings
for
the
ordinance
proposing
it.
They
have
to
be
advertised,
and
this
is
really
the
only
time
to
do
it
within
the
time
frame
that
we've
been
given.
So
apologies
if
anyone
has
independence
day
plans
or
after
that
following
week,
but
that
is
the
only
time
we
could
schedule.
AC
This
year's
conference
is
going
to
be
down
at
the
diplomat
hotel
in
hollywood,
and
the
league
is
asking
that
municipalities
designate
their
voting
delegate
for
their
for
the
annual
business
meeting
on
saturday
at
9
30.
and
I'm
not
sure
who
of
council
is
planning
on
attending.
So
we
can
wait
till
thursday.
If
you
don't
know.
G
A
D
Just
I,
this
isn't
really
business
for
future
meetings,
but
I
generally
ask
for
items
to
be
discussed
at
future
work
sessions,
which
is
great
and
most
of
the
time
I
you
know,
I
do
it
because
we
don't
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
together
unless
we're
in
public,
but
what
I
find
a
little.
D
Unclear
is
a
follow-up
about
when,
when
one
of
us
asks
for
an
item
to
be
put
on
a
work
session
agenda,
I'd
like
some
communication
or
understanding
of
when
that
might
occur,
is
it
going
to
be.
You
know,
six
weeks
from
now
or
two
months
from
now
or
some
communication
about
how
to
plan
for
it
and
when
it's
coming
up,
because
I
kind
of
put
it
out
there
and
then
I
just
feel
like
it's
floating
out
there
and
when's
it
gonna
happen.
D
So
I
I
I
hope
that
that
can
get
improved
a
little
bit
and
that's
just
been
my
experience.
Okay,.
Q
To
answer
that
I
mean,
I
think
our
city
charter
is
very
clear,
that
any
member
of
this
council
has
an
absolute
unilateral
right
to
place
a
discussion
item
of
your
choosing
on
the
next
agenda,
and
so,
if
a
council
member
specifies
that
you
would
like
something
on
the
next
agenda,
whatever's
on
your
mind,
you'd,
like
to
discuss
my
advice
to
council,
will
be
to
specify
if
you'd
like
it
on
the
next
agenda.
Specifically-
and
I
do
believe
that
that
is
a
requirement
that
the
city
clerk
must
follow
under
the
city
charter.
J
AB
Now
and
if
I
may
that's
you
know,
we
work
together
to
try
to
figure
out
many
of
our
well
just
today.
Many
of
our
meetings
are
extremely
busy,
so
you
know
there's
this
balancing
of
trying
to
address
those
issues
but
at
the
same
time,
have
a
reasonable
expectation
of
what
time
we
would
be
able
to
get
out
so.
D
Well
and
the
other
thing
is
like
I
asked
for
a
presentation
about
our
from
our
fleet
manager.
What's
going
on
with
the
fleet
and
transitioning
and
all
that
stuff
I
mean,
I
don't
expect
staff
to
gather
that
all
together
in
the
next
two
weeks,
but
you
know
if
I
wanted
to
lead
a
discussion
or
have
something
that
was
on
my
shoulders.
You
know,
then
it
could
come
a
little
sooner
than
whatever
information
I'd
like
presented
by
staff
right.
Okay,
that
seems
fair.