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Okay,
do
we
have
a
second
second
okay,
and
that
is
fastest
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
Ray
a
second
from
fastest?
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
adoption
of
the
minutes?
All
right,
we're
gonna
call
the
question
all
in
favor
say:
aye
thanks,
we
can
be
seen.
I,
okay,
I
can't
see
everyone,
so
I
can't
tell
who
voted
I
only
see
ray
how
Venkat
Shahab,
fastest
and
Caitlin
I
can't
see.
Keenan's
and
I
didn't
hear
him.
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A
A
A
E
A
F
G
G
H
A
H
So
to
ensure
Public
Safety
and
comply
with
the
governor's
safer
at
home
order
in
response
to
the
köppen
19
virus,
the
Clearwater
Downtown
Development
Board
will
hold
a
public
meeting
on
Wednesday
July
8
2020
at
5:30
p.m.
using
communications
media
technology
pursuant
to
executive
order.
Number
20
69
issued
by
the
office
of
Governor
run
Santa's
on
March
20th,
2020
municipalities.
They
conduct
meetings
of
their
governing
boards
without
having
a
quorum
of
its
members,
present
physically
or
at
any
specific
location
and
utilizing
communications.
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H
Backslash
backslash
zoom
us
backslash,
J,
backslash,
eight,
five,
two
zero,
six,
one,
one,
eight
five,
eight
or
by
phone
at
one:
nine:
nine,
zero,
five,
six,
zero,
nine,
nine,
eight
five,
two
zero
six
one,
one,
eight
five,
eight
pound
citizens
wishing
to
provide
comments
on
agenda
items
are
encouraged
to
do
so
in
advance.
The
written
comment
the
ddb
has
established
the
following
options:
to
ensure
public
comment
for
a
virtual
meeting,
email
individuals
may
submit
written
comments
or
videos
to
Howard
Smith.
At
my
Clearwater
comm
by
5:00
p.m.
on
July
8
2020,
mr.
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A
A
Okay,
so
I
will
just
go
on
with
the
citizen
comments
for
item
on
the
agenda
just
to
comply
with
it.
The
rules
for
citizen
comments
are
the
comments
are
limited
to
matters
relevant
to
downtown
comments
on
items
on
the
agenda
will
be
held
until
the
agenda
item.
Speakers
must
identify
themselves.
The
time
limit
of
three
minutes
will
be
enforced.
Are
there
any
citizens
at
this
time
that
we
want
to
comment
on
items
not
on
the
agenda
there?
A
Being
none,
we'll
move
forward
to
item
number
four
new
business
items,
and
the
first
topic
is
to
select
a
ddb
auditor.
To
do
this,
we
will
have
to
recess
the
meeting
of
the
Downtown
Development
Board,
and
then
we
will
open
the
audit
committee
in
into
do.
We
need
motions
to
accomplish
this
or
do
I
just
declare
it
just.
A
K
A
K
A
K
Single
audit
has
to
do
with
grant
funding.
If
you
receive
federal
or
state
financial
assistance,
you
have
to
have
a
single
audit
done,
which
is
a
special
type
of
audit
required
by
the
federal
government
s-somebody
that
ensures
that
all
your
grant
money
is
spent
correctly
and
they
do
additional
testing
procedures
on
those
grant,
revenues
and
expenditures.
You
don't
have
any
grants,
so
it
doesn't
apply
so.
K
E
K
A
And
one
final
question
for
me:
when
I
rank
these
I
get
a
certain
score,
and
this
is
designed
to
highlight
the
the
best
auditor
I.
Can
you
just
give
your
opinion
on?
Do
we
really
need
for
an
entity
of
our
size?
Do
we
really
need
the
best
auditor,
even
though
that
might
be
the
most
expensive
one
or
would
any
one
of
these
be
competent
to
do
our
audit?
Your.
K
Audit
is
very
small
and
very
straightforward,
and
probably
any
of
these
four
firms
would
would
do
a
good
job
for
you.
It's
not
overly
complicated
or
anything
like
that.
So
you
really
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
deep
digging
that
they
can
do
or
complicated
things
that
they
need
to
look
at.
It's
very
it's
very
simple
and
straightforward.
A
K
What
the
state
statute
requires
is
that
we
rank
no
fewer
than
three
that's
the
way
it
stated
in
the
statute,
so
rank
no
fewer
than
three
firms.
Since
you
have
four
proposals,
we're
gonna
end
up
ranking
all
four
of
them,
because
if
we
rank
three
we're
gonna
know
who
number
four
is
so
can
I
start
with
you,
mr.
Markopolos,
and
have
you
just
tell
me
in
order
your
one,
two,
three,
four
okay.
A
A
K
C
K
K
K
J
A
A
Okay,
the
only
comment
I
would
make
is
that
there
are
less
expensive
alternatives
and
I
just
want
people
to
consider,
even
though
the
scoring
is
what
it
is,
the
cost
was
a
very
small
factor
in
the
scale.
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
and
if
somebody
feels
cost-conscious,
this
is
the
time
to
bring
it
up.
Otherwise,
we'll
be
going
with
one
of
the
more
expensive
options.
Does
anyone
actually.
K
K
Saltmarsh
was
just
a
little
more
expensive
than
them
and
then
clifton
larsen
Allen
was
quite
a
bit
more
expensive
than
everybody
else.
There
was
a
thirteen
thousand
dollar
difference
over
five
years
between
EF
PR
group
in
Clifton,
Larson
Allen
I
was
a
little
surprised
at
that,
because
they're
your
current
Auditor
and
I
mean
they
kind
of
know
the
ropes
and
know
what
they're
getting
into
I
was
a
little
surprised
that
they
did
such
a
high
price
yeah.
A
Let's
call
the
question
on
this
motion
all
in
favor
say:
aye:
aye:
okay,
are
there
any
opposed
all
right?
It
looks
like
it
passes
unanimously,
so
the
Audit
Committee
will
now
adjourn
and
we
will
resume
the
ddb
meeting
and
I
call
the
board
meeting
back
to
order.
So
we
will
learn
Monica.
If
you
can
present
the
committee's
recommendations
to
the
board.
K
Okay,
the
auditor
selection
committee
has
selected
colleagues
in
Ingram
as
your
for
the
next
five
years.
They
had
an
overall
score
of
10
Clifton
arson,
Larson
Allen
had
an
overall
score
of
15.
They
were
your
second
choice.
Saltmarsh
had
an
overall
score
of
20,
any
FPR
325.
So
it
was
a
very
clear,
very
clear,
number-one
choice,
very.
E
A
J
A
There
are,
don't
appear
to
be
any
opposed,
so
it
passes
unanimously.
Okay,
now,
with
everyone's
permission,
could
we
skip
the?
Could
we
alternate
the
4.2
with
4.3,
so
that
Monica
can
so
we
can
address
her
the
question
to
her
first,
everyone
concur
with
that:
okay,
no
objections!
Okay!
So,
let's
go
on
to
item
number
4.3
and
the
the
first
question:
they
are.
The
only
question
actually
that
I
have
is
about
the
CRA
intra
local
agreement
revenue
and
every
year.
So
I
have
to
have
this
explain
to
me
because
it
never
quite
makes
sense.
A
What
I
understand
this
to
mean
is
that
when
the
ddb
was
created,
land
values
were
at
a
certain
amount
for
it
and
based
on
the
mills
and
those
properties.
We
get
a
certain
amount
of
revenue
and
that's
all
the
ddb
is
entitled
to
and
then
but
additional
taxes
are
raised.
Does
everybody
in
the
district
pays
the
1%
and
therefore
this
additional
money
is
collected,
but
we
hand
that
back
to
the
CRA
and
then
the
CRA
gives
it
back
to
us
somehow
it
is.
Can
you
correct
what's
wrong
with
that,
because
that
doesn't
make
sense?
Ok,.
K
Here's
what
happens?
There's
just
there's
a
I
think
it's
a
statue
in
Amanda
might
be
more
familiar
with
this,
but
when
is
CRA
when
a
Community
Redevelopment
Agency
district
is
created,
all
of
the
taxing
authorities
in
that
district
have
to
pay
a
tax
increment
to
the
Community
Redevelopment
Agency.
So
the
city
pays
it.
The
county
pays
it
and
the
ddb
pays
it
because
all
three
of
those
taxing
entities
overlap
in
some
way
the
Community
Redevelopment
Agency.
K
So
the
Community
Redevelopment
Agency
gets
tax,
increment
financing
from
the
city,
the
county
and
the
Downtown
Development
Board.
However,
they
have
an
agreement
with
the
Downtown
Development
Board
that
says:
they'll
give
the
Downtown
Development
Lord
its
money
back,
so
two
separate
things
happen
and
that's
kind
of
why
it's
shown
in
two
places
on
your
financial
statement.
The
first
thing
is:
the
statute
requires
that
you
pay
the
tax
increment
financing
to
the
CRA.
K
So
that's
the
part
you
see
down
near
the
bottom
of
your
report
under
fixed
payments,
where
you
see
the
CRA
increment
payment
of
two
hundred.
Eighty
six
thousand
dollars
happening.
That
transaction
is
where
the
DD
be
paid.
The
CRA
and
that's
required
by
statute,
then
you
have
an
interlocal
agreement
with
the
CRA
that
says
the
CRA
refunds,
that
money
and
that's
why
you
see
up
at
the
top
of
this
statement
under
income
that
CRA
interlocal
and
agreement
revenue,
because
in
accordance
with
the
interlocal
agreement,
you
get
that
back.
Okay,.
A
K
It
doesn't
affect
the
bottom
line,
but
we
have
to
show
it
as
two
separate
transactions,
because
two
separate
things
happen
required
by
two
separate
sets
of
legislation.
So
we
show
each
one.
We
don't
just
pay
the
CRA
and
then
cancel
that
out
when
they
pay
you
back
because
then
it's
not
reflected
anywhere
in
your
financial
statements
and
that
wouldn't
be
correct
either.
But.
A
K
Sir,
that's
a
section:
that's
a
separate
transaction
entirely!
That's
where
you
tax
the
people
in
the
in
the
Downtown
Development
Board,
a
district.
You
levy
a
tax,
the
point,
nine
seven
knows
on
the
properties
only
within
the
DD
b
district
and
that's
your
three
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
worth
of
revenue.
It's
not
the
same
money
at
all
as
the
CRA
money.
Okay,.
E
A
K
A
K
K
A
M
Good
evening
everybody
Howard
Smith
been
assistant
administrator
for
the
Community
Redevelopment
Agency,
so
for
item
4.3
is
the
adoption
of
the
May
20
2008
2020
financial
statement
for
filing
in
those
in
the
month
for
May
ddb
funds,
totaled,
six
thousand
nine
hundred
seventy
two
dollars
and
the
breakdown
of
those
funds
in
totality
was
spent.
A
hundred
and
forty
seven
dollars
was
spent
on
the
holiday
lighting
storage.
M
The
BBB
also
received
revenue
credit
in
amount
of
four
thousand
one
hundred
and
forty
six
dollars
and
seventy
five
cents,
and
this
was
an
adjustable
adjustable
tax
value
credit
with
that
which
we
just
talked
about
the
ddb
tax,
increment
payment
of
three
hundred
and
six
thousand
seven
hundred
and
forty
nine
dollars
and
eighty-five
cents
to
this
area
was
made.
It
was
made
in
December,
based
on
the
estimated
taxable
value
and
in
the
month
of
May
after
buy
adjustment
board
met.
M
A
K
Think
it
had
to
do
with
the
value
adjustment
board
because
we
get,
we
get
a
preliminary
estimate
from
the
property
appraiser
on
July
1st
and
that's
what
used
in
your
budget
and
then
that
number
is
refined
when
the
value
adjustment
board
meeting
happens
and
it
can
either
go
up
or
down.
Sometimes
the
number
goes
up
a
little,
and
sometimes
the
number
goes
down
a
little,
but
that
value
adjustment
board
meeting
doesn't
happen
until
sometime
in
the
spring.
Normally
it
happens
in
February
or
March
this
year.
K
It
didn't
happen
until
late,
May,
I
think
because
they
weren't
having
public
meetings
over
there
at
the
county.
So
when
we
built
this
budget
based
on
two
hundred
and
eighty
six
thousand
twenty
three
dollars,
that
was
from
the
estimates
from
last
July
July.
First,
the
same
thing
will
happen.
This
year
we
now
have
July
first
estimates
and
you're
going
to
build
your
budget
on
that
number
and
then
it's
going
to
get
refined
again
in
the
spring.
Okay.
A
K
A
J
D
K
Yes,
that
money
is
available
for
you
to
budget
into
another
program,
usually
what
the
board
does
is
they?
They
have
a
little
bit
of
extra
money
that
isn't
really
a
sign
to
a
certain
program
or
project
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
and,
as
the
year
goes
on,
you
know,
different
people
come
up
with
funding
requests
or
the
board
has
different
ideas
on
things
that
they
would
like
to
fund
and
that's
where
that
money
would
come
from.
D
F
H
Is
that
we
were
going
to
explore
this
year
with
DJs
some
things
that
no
before
had
tried
out
that
we
thought
it
works?
Well
whether
it
was
again
DJ's
or
free
lunches,
and
that
was
really
popular
during
the
winter
time
when
you
have
come
in
the
wellness
free
lunch
day,
but
right
now
we're
in
a
process
of
reimagining
what
events
can
be
like
given
our
current
pandemic.
C
H
H
If
we
have
anything
specific,
so
it's
possible
that
there
are
some
things
the
CRA
hasn't
charged
the
ddb
for
yet
that
will
bring
that
line.
Item
down,
but
I
know
that
we
will
not
have
to
spend
all
of
that
money
and
probably
won't
by
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year.
If
there's
something
that
you
guys
have
in
mind.
But
that's.
A
C
A
A
A
Yeah,
can
we
great
Thank
You
Amanda?
Anyone
else
have
a
question
regarded
to
the
financial
statement.
Okay,
are
there
any
citizen
comments
on
this
financial
statement?
Is
there
anyone
on
board
Amanda,
okay,
so
I'm?
Looking
for
a
motion
to
adopt
the
February
February
which,
which
month,
is
it
actually.
B
A
A
H
A
word
document
with
three
suggested
goals
and
some
strategies
underneath
those
and
we
you
know
we
mailed
a
postcard
to
every
single
dvb
property
owner,
asking
them
to
attend
the
meeting
tonight,
and
then
we
had
to
turn
around
and
obviously
and
go
virtual
till
this
meeting.
We
had
17
responses
in
the
online
survey
that
was
sent
out
and
it's
still
open
for
another
day
or
two
so
I
think
in
terms
of
tonight.
I'm
happy
to
you
know,
walk
you
through.
H
So
when
I
asked
tonight
is,
if
you
guys,
like
you,
know,
I
can
kind
of
walk
through
what
we've
suggested
so
far
other
than
that
I.
Just
like
we
need
a
little
bit
more
time.
You
know
to
think
about
how
to
get
more
feedback
from
the
public
and
for
you
guys
to
think
about
what
we've
suggested
and
to
make
those
those
changes.
A
D
A
A
A
M
A
A
M
For
item
4.4,
this
is
more
for
information
based.
The
certificate
of
taxable
value
was
received
from
the
Pinet
from
the
Pinellas
County
property
appraiser's
office,
so
on
June,
29
2020,
the
Pinellas
County
property
appraiser's
office,
provided
the
2020
preliminary
tax
role
and
the
tax
role
for
information
base
is
the
basis
of
calculating
actual
taxes
to
be
levied
upon
residents
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
taxing
authority.
M
So
the
2020
taxable
value
from
the
Downtown
Development
Board
is
436
million
one
hundred
and
forty
six
thousand
eight
hundred
eighty
seven
dollars,
which
is
an
increase
at
10.20
2%
over
2019,
where
the
taxable
the
total
taxable
value
was
395
million.
Six
hundred
nine
six
hundred
ninety
thousand
$54.
M
A
M
So
part
of
the
process
is
due
to
the
statewide
trim
scheduled
for
2020
states
that
states
that
excuse
me,
due
to
the
statewide
trim
scheduled
for
2020
states,
that,
within
65
days
of
the
certification
of
the
volume
which
we
just
did,
the
taxing
authority
must
hold
a
public
hearing
on
the
tentative
budget
and
proposed
measure
and
for
us
to
and
for
the
DB
to
be
able
to
meet
the
guidelines.
These
meetings
must
be
held
between
September
3rd
and
the
18th.
M
A
E
A
From
Caitlin
we
have
a
second
from
Ray
Cassano.
Okay,
now
is
there
any
board
discussion
on
this
millage
rate
there
being
none
all
in
favor
of
adopting
this
motion
say
aye
aye
aye.
It
appears
unanimous.
The
motion
is
adopted.
Okay.
Now
the
second
motion
we're
going
to
need
a
motion
to
set
the
public
hearing
dates
for
the
for
the
millage
and
budget,
and
that
will
require
2dbb
meetings,
one
on
September,
9th
and
one
on
September
16th
2020.
Do
we
have
a
motion
setting
these
public
hearing
dates.
A
J
A
H
This
year,
we're
recommending
$15,000
to
give
you
a
little
more
flexibility,
as
the
pandemic
continues,
as
its
new
events
might
come
your
way.
However,
you
can't
make
budget
transfers
at
any
point
at
any
meeting
during
the
year,
so
we
think
$50,000
is
good
for
now,
but
if
you
want
to
do
a
higher
amount,
you
can,
if
you
want
to
do
lower,
you
can,
but
we
just
need
a
number
tonight
to
prepare
the
budget.
H
A
A
Historical
depends
on
how
far
back
you
want
to
go
most
of
the
years
that
I've
been
on
the
board.
We
did
not
have
reserves
at
all
the
first
seven
or
eight
years
and
at
some
point
a
few.
Several
years
ago,
we
got
agreement
to
set
reserves
and
the
argument
for
the
discussion
on
how
to
determine
the
amount
of
reserves
was
set
on.
A
What
would
it
cost
for
the
DDB
to
run
itself
if
we
just
lost
our
revenue
stream
for
a
year?
What
would
occur
so
we
needed
a
certain
amount
of
money
to
handle
the
staff
and
our
normal
ongoing
expenses
and
to
have
some
Cayenne
some
amount
that
we
felt
comfortable
with
beyond
that
in
for
some
an
unanticipated
crisis
sort
of
like
co,
vid
19,
and
so
after
much
opposition.
It
was
adopted
eventually
and
has
ranged
between
75,000
and
some
higher
number
I,
if
I
recall
correctly
somewhere
in
the
80s.
A
A
A
M
M
A
B
B
A
B
Sorry,
I'm
off
to
the
side,
I'm
sharing,
sharing
the
computer
with
Sandy
and
we're
still
socially
distancing
so
we'll
be
heading
here.
Last
month
we
had
a
discussion
about
how
how
do
we?
How
do
we
make
our
feelings
plain
clear
about
discrimination
and
discriminatory
language,
and
we
had
quite
a
discussion
about
First
Amendment
rights
and
what
a
board
can
and
can't
do,
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
what
we
do
in
Florida?
B
Well,
the
Florida
conch,
the
US
Constitution
doesn't
really
government,
because
the
US
Constitution
does
not
give
you
the
right
to
speak
to
a
board.
Okay,
but
Florida
gives
you
a
right
to
speak
to
a
board.
In
addition
to
the
Sunshine
Law,
we
have
a
specific
statute
to
86.0
one
one,
four
that
gives
you
a
right
to
just
give
citizens
a
right
to
talk
to
a
board
about
any
pending
matter.
B
Like
most
Lords,
we
take
that
a
step
further.
We
don't
limit
it
to
depending
marriage.
We
also
allow
a
citizen's
comments
for
things
that
are
not
on
the
agenda
and
even
though
that's
not
secretory
required
most
sports.
Do
that,
because
that's
how
you
find
out
what
people
think
you're
doing
it's,
how
you
find
out
how
you
get
new
ideas
without
having
to
put
everything
that
comes
in
on
the
agenda?
There
are
a
lot
of
advantages
to
having
this.
B
Once
you
allow
people
to
comment,
then
you
get
into
issues
regarding
content
and
with
content.
You
have
to
be
careful,
because
once
you
allow
people
to
talk
it's
as
a
government
entity,
then
you
are
looking
at
First,
Amendment,
okay,
what
you
can
do
about
content
you're,
also
looking
about
the
statute,
the
statute
doesn't
allow
people
to
comment
willy-nilly.
Most
of
the
limitations
in
the
statute
are
procedural.
B
You
can
require
that
people
follow
certain
rules
about
how
they
get
up
and
talk
when
they
get
up
and
talk
how
long
they
can
talk,
and
you
can
also
require
that
the
matter
be
relevant
to
what
you
are
doing.
You
can
also
require
a
certain
level
of
civility
and
that
they're
not
allowed
to
get
up
yeah
you're
gonna
get
criticism.
Okay.
If
people
people
allowed
to
get
up
and
tell
you
they
don't
like
what
you're
doing
you
know,
I
wish
that
they
could
only
do
that
when
you're
sitting
on
the
board.
B
But
but
you
know,
people
are
going
to
criticize
you
and
tell
you
whether
or
not
they
think
you're
doing
a
good
job.
They're
gonna
come
up
with
ideas
that
you
may
not
necessarily
like,
but
that
is
that
that's
what
you've
opened
yourself
up
to,
but
they
can't
threaten
you.
They
can't
get
up
and
tell
lies
about
you.
They
can't
say
we
want
you
to
deal
with
countryside
because
that's
obviously
not
within
your
agenda.
So
there
are
certain
things
that
that
you
can
limit.
B
B
You
can
expect
certain
behavior
the
changes
to
the
rules
and
pursued
policies
and
procedures
you
adopt
last
month
adopted
last
month,
appear
in
actually
three
places
right
and
if
you
look
at
item
roaming
number
three,
a
that
is
nothing
to
do
what
with
what
we
discussed
last
month,
but
that
has
to
do
with
with
something
that
happened
last
month.
We
want
speakers
when
we
get
whether
it's
an
item
on
the
agenda
or
off
the
agenda.
The
audience
has
to
be
recognized
by
the
chair.
B
They
can't
just
sit
back
in
the
chair
and
and
and
check
with
you.
Then
they
have
to
follow
certain
rules
when
they're
up
there.
So
that's
what
item
and
and
Paris
did
tell
the
day
you
know
when
it
when
it
didn't
happen,
Paris
handle
it
yeah
the
guy
come
up,
but
it's
nice
to
have
the
rules
written
so
that
you
can
say
you
know
please
get
up
here
and
also
you
only
get
one
shot.
So
that
is
what
3a
is
designed
to
take
care
of.
If
you
go
to.
B
B
7B
I
just
made
that
more
specific
as
to
what
is
permissible
and
what
is
not
permissible
when
you're
going
to
the
board.
It's
not
a
huge
subset
of
change,
and
it
is
all
since
we
have
to
be
careful
about
contents.
I'll
tell
you
that
I
just
come
through
the
Attorney
General
opinions
and
found
out
what
they
said
you
a
to
and
what
they
said
nature,
and
these
things
were
all
acceptable
within
the
attorney
general
opinions
for
a
board
to
do
and
then
the
last
item.
B
There
is
a
new
provision
we
added,
which
is
item
number
eight
and
that
just
puts
together
our
policy
of
what
we
consider
what
we
we
feel
that
the
BBB
will
we're
now
saying,
of
course,
we
would
do
this
anyway,
but
we're
saying
it
out
loud
well.
In
writing.
The
DD
DB
will
comply
with
all
city
of
Clearwater
state
of
Florida
and
the
United
States
ordinances
regulations
and
laws
prohibiting
discrimination,
recognizing
the
benefits
to
the
DD
b
district
of
fostering
a
welcoming
location
for
all
members
of
our
community.
B
The
DVB
affirmatively
adopts
its
own
policy
of
discouraging
discrimination
based
on
race,
color,
religion,
age,
disability,
gender,
pregnancy,
gender
identity,
sexual
orientation,
marital
status,
national
origin
or
genetic
information.
This
is
this:
is
a
policy
most
of
this
you're
required
to
care
about
anyway,
you're
required
to
behave
that
way
anyway,
but
this
is
putting
on
the
record
that
the
ddd
is
on
board.
With
this.
F
B
All
right,
if
you're
trying
there
are
two
parts
here,
if
you're
talking
about
7b,
that
applies
to
everybody
and
that's
the
one
that
has
says
specifically
what
you
are
and
are
not
allowed
to
do.
You
can't
repeatedly
interrupt
you
can't
that
applies
everybody,
okay
and
that
is
not
substitute
lis
much
different
than
what
we
had
before.
It's
just
more
specific
when
you
get
to
item
number
8,
that
is
a
statement
of
policy.
B
It
is
what
the
board
is
adopting
as
a
guiding
principle,
but
it
does
not
totally
affect
the
people
who
speak
with
you,
whether
on
the
board
or
not.
Now,
I
would
certainly
caution
any
board
member
to
go
against
from
going
against
this
policy,
because,
as
a
government
official,
you
are
not
supposed
to
discriminate.
However,
you
do
also
have
to
recognize
that
discrimination
is
activity,
not
words.
B
B
That's
against
this
policy,
but
I
am
NOT
personally
discriminating
when
I
say
that,
because
discrimination
has
I
have
to
do
something
to
prevent
them
from
being
being
able
to
or
gay
bars,
I
have
to
do
something
that
stops
them
from
being
able
to
do
what
they're
doing
so.
There
are
difference
between
words
and
actions.
If
my
words
don't
stop,
you
then
I'm
not
discriminating
and
private
citizens,
except
in
limited
circumstances,
for
instance,
hiring
housing
things
like
that
private
citizens
are
allowed
to
act
in
a
discriminatory
manner.
Governments
are
not
employee.
B
Lawyers
are
not
people
who
are
making
housing
available
or
not,
but
unless
there
is
a
specific
regulation
there
is
nothing
from
hitting
private
citizens
being
discriminatory,
because
the
law
following
the
law
does
not
make
you
a
good
person
following
the
law
is
a
minimum
standard
that
is
put
in
place
and
all
following
the
law
does
is
keep
you
out
of
jail
and
keep
you
from
being
fined.
I
would
hope
you
know
that
most
people
hold
themselves
to
a
higher
standard
than
that
and
I'm
sorry
I
keep
talking
in
America,
so
looking
to
be
recognized.
Amanda.
H
I
just
wanted
to
add
in
the
if
you
guys,
like
you
know
we
can,
we
can
put
this
non-discrimination
saying
on
our
funding
agreement
form
so
anytime,
you
say:
listen
if
you're
taking
a
grant
from
the
DVB.
You
have
to
agree
to
abide
by
this
statement
right
so
in
who
you
issue
grants
to
you're
going
to
be
following
it.
That's
the
policy
on
you,
you
can.
J
B
Already
have
it
in
quite
a
few
of
our
contracts,
for
instance,
there
is
record
of
all
contract
specifically
states
that
you
cannot
discriminate
on
any
of
these
phases
when
you're
hiring
or
with
your
vendors
and
stuff
like
that.
So
it
is
part
of
our
contracts
and
it's
it's
marginally
part
of
our
grant
programs,
but
it
should
probably
be
in
there
very.
N
This
is
about
the
public
to
be
heard.
I
noticed
tonight.
Mr.
Moore
fawful
is
that
you
said:
are
there
anybody
is
anyone
want
to
be
recognized
to
talk
about
any
topic
as
long
as
it
relates
to
downtown?
So
if
someone
were
to
say
yes
I'd
like
to
talk
about
Scientology's
impact
on
the
downtown,
would
that
be
a
lot.
B
It's
not
just
about
downtown.
It's
got
to
be
about
something
that
the
ddb
can
do
something
about
the.
If
you're
talking
about
Scientology's
impact
on
downtown
the
DVB,
doesn't
the
DB,
indeed
better,
try
get
the
D
DB
is
not
an
enforcement
agency
when,
when
I
was
on
the
board,
the
big
deal
was
absentee
landlords
and
lots
of
empty
space.
I
was
allowed
to
talk
about
how
that
empty
space
is
hurting
us,
but
there
wasn't
much.
I
could
do
about
it,
because
I
can't
force
those
landlords
to
treat
their
property
property.
B
Different
I
can't
force
those
Lin
lords
to
charge
less
rent
to
keep
up
now.
I
can't
even
add
the
ddb,
can't
even
force
people
to
follow
code
and
keep
their
property
up
to
that's
a
city
job,
but
even
City
and
chives.
The
city
is
limited
as
to
what
it
can
make
property
owners
do
so
it's
it's
a
question
of
it's
a
tight
line
there
in
that
yeah
you
might
need.
There
is
some
room
for
discussion,
but
is
it
something
the
duty
be?
Has
any
authority
or
control
over?
B
N
Its
follow-up,
because
since
we
have
so
many
members
who
are
high
level
Scientologists,
who
have
gone
far
up
the
bridge
and
have
so
many
connections
within
the
Church
of
Scientology,
including
people
here
who
are
developers
themselves
and
probably
know
other
people
who
have
purchased
buildings
either
on
behalf
of
Scientology
or
just
as
members
who,
since
2017
purchased
a
lot
of
these
empty
buildings,
no
one
could
come
up
and
say:
hey.
Can
you
find
out
through
your
connections,
who
owns
these
and
what
the
plans
are
for
them?
Is
that
something
that
so
there's
there's?
B
Talking
to
specific
board
members
to
to
act
as
individuals
and
whatever
their
capacity
is
as
individuals
is
not
it's
not
a
board
thing
all
right.
If
you
be
through
your
relationship
with
when
people
are
on
the
board,
say
you
know,
I'm
curious
about
this
or
want
to
know
about
this
or
I
feel
that
something
should
be
done
about
that.
You
know
Mac,
that's
the
individual
board
members,
but
just
as
me
as
a
Catholic,
if
you
came
to
me
and
said,
can
you
can
you
do
something
about
the
Catholic,
Church's
property
or
blah
blah
blah?
B
B
N
B
No,
that
is
something
over
which
the
the
ddb
has
no
police
power.
The
DB
has
no
police.
That
is
something
over
which
the
DD
B
has
no
control,
that
that
is
I
mean
you're.
Just
wasting
your
you're
talking
to
the
wrong
group,
basically
you're
talking
to
the
wrong
group,
we
have,
if
you
wanted
to
come
and
talk
to
me
about
I'm,
really
concerned
about
beach,
the
beach
issues,
and
you
know
we
do
a
lot.
We,
we
have
a
lot
of
things
in
common
with
the
beach
and
we
need
to
talk
about
each
issues.
B
B
B
N
B
B
If
a
person
gets
up
there
and
starts
talking
about
we
need.
We
need
to
do
something
about
the
fact
that
all
of
this
property
is
being
purchased
by
that
Scientologists.
The
answer
is
we
can't
we
can't
do
anything.
That
is
not
what
this
board
has.
Any
this
board
has
no
power
to
do
anything.
This
power
has
no
power
to
do
anything
over
police
brutality.
This
board
has
no
power
to
do
anything
about
any
group
that
we
dislike
moving
into
downtown.
That
is
not
you
know
that
we
want
this
to
be
a
white
enclave.
B
First
of
all
that
be
discrimination,
we
can't,
but
you
know
we
want
weed.
We
don't
want
any
gay
people
here.
We
don't
want
any
transgender
people
here.
We
don't
have.
First
of
all
that
would
be
discrimination
and
we
can't
do
it,
but
even
if
it
weren't
discrimination,
even
it
will
want
a
protected
group.
We
don't
have
that
power.
N
B
H
I'm,
sorry,
we
had
someone
there's
a
call
coming
in,
but
it's
not
time
for
a
public
comment
yet
on
this
item.
So
I
was
getting
distracted
by
that,
but
then
also
wanting
to
address
the
question
of
what
could
the
DD
be
do
if
they
wanted
to
I
know,
one
of
the
priorities
was
talking
about
the
population
experiencing
homelessness.
So
there
are
there
a
couple
of
manias
like
how
would
the
DD
b
address
that
issue
one?
The
DVB
has
convenient
power.
H
If
they
said
hey,
we
want
to
learn
more
about
the
agencies
that
work
with
this
population.
What
are
the
services
they
provide?
What
you
know
what
could
happen
with
that?
They
could
get
direct
funding
to
organizations
that
provide
certain
services
to
homeless
populations.
You
know
if
they
wanted
to.
They
could
make
different
improvements
to
Station
Square
Park
right,
maybe
adding
more
shade
or
adding
storage
on-site
I'mso
belongings
wouldn't
be
left
outside
I'm,
not
advocating
for
that
I'm
just
giving
examples.
H
So
with
every
issue,
whether
it's
maked
properties,
whether
it
is
the
marketing
campaigns
of
the
perception
of
downtown,
whether
it's
the
boat
slips
to
parking
populations
experiencing
homelessness.
There
are
ways
that
the
Downtown,
Development,
Board
and
they're
defined
in
the
ordinance
can
participate
I
for
me
and
how
we
frame
it
and
think
about
it
is
that
it's.
This
is
something
that
just
works
across
the
board
right.
This
isn't
targeted
towards
one
specific
person
or
one
specific
property
owner
the
kind
of
programs
that
we
do
because
they're
non
discriminatory.
H
N
A
Bunker
hold
on
a
sec,
I
want
to
say
something
I'm
trying
to
give
you
a
an
adequate
amount
of
time
to
ask
your
question,
so
you
get
an
important
question
clarified
here
so
I've.
Given
you
lots
of
opportunity
to
ask
your
questions,
you're
kind
of
asking
the
same
question
in
different
ways
and
Elise
is
basically
giving
the
same
answer.
So
if
you
have
a
different
question,
you
can
ask
it,
but
otherwise
this
is
becoming
redundant
and
we're
gonna
move
on.
If
you
don't
have
a
different
question,
do
you
have
a
different
question.
N
So
what
would
the
difference
be
between
that
and
people
saying
we
tried
to
open
a
brewery,
and
some
of
the
PR
people
from
the
Church
of
Scientology,
for
example,
came
in
and
said
we're
going
to
stop
you
every
way
we
can.
If
that
cave
were
to
happen,
isn't
that
something
that
should
be
addressed?
Okay,.
B
We
don't
talk
about
the
homeless.
What
I
said
is
we
don't
have
any
authority
to
do
anything
about
it?
What
I
have
continuously
said
is
we
are
an
incentive
group,
not
an
enforcement
group.
What
Amanda
was
talking
about.
We
were
and
sentence
things
we
can
work
with
to
help,
but
homeless
is
not
a
protected
group.
B
B
So
if
you're
talking
about
something
that
is
just
targeting
a
protected
group,
that's
something
we
can't
do
now.
If
one
of
our,
if
anybody
in
downtown
says
I,
don't
want
a
group
of
brewpub
here
and
I'm
gonna
do
what
I
can
to
prevent
you
from
getting
a
brewpub
there's,
not
much.
This
organization
can
do,
whether
it
be
Scientologists
or
non
Scientologists.
We
have
no
enforcement
ability
over
private
citizens.
All
we
are
is
an
incentive
group.
Okay,.
J
N
B
E
B
Think
marital
status
was
not
part
of
most
like
we
added
marital
status,
but
I'm.
Sorry,
if
you're
talking
religion
and
you're,
a
government
you're
not
allowed
to
discriminate.
If
you're
talking
gender
and
you're
a
government
you're
not
allowed
to
discriminate
you're
not
allowed
to
target
you
can
you
can
have,
although
this
group
probably
would
have
issues
with
it,
but
certain
government
entities
can
say
we
we
want
to
encourage
a
more
diverse
population
in
downtown
and
you
can
come
up
with
some
sentence
to
do
that.
B
N
N
There
was
an
attempt
by
the
majority
of
the
board
and
past
board
members
to
come
to
the
City
Council
meeting,
to
expressly
say
that
I
cannot
be
on
the
board.
You
should
not
appoint
me
to
the
board
and
during
that
process,
as
you
said
at
least
that
people
aren't
allowed
to
come
up
and
tell
lies,
many
of
these
folks
told
lies
about
me.
I'm
not
upset
about
that.
N
A
B
The
duty
bee
was
allowed
to
do
t
be
individual
members
are
allowed
to
go
in
and
say
they
don't
want
you
on
this
board,
just
as
I
have
said
that
they
have
to
listen
to
people
criticize
them.
You
have
to
listen
to
people
criticize
you
all
right,
you're,
a
public
servant.
Everybody
on
this
board
god-honest
worked
to
get
on
this
board
and
you
are
going
to
get
criticized
and
they
are
going
to
get
criticized
and
that's
just
the
way
it
is.
B
But,
honestly,
if
you
look
at
this
non-discrimination
provision,
what
can
you
possibly
had
my
Webb's
judgment
since
most
of
its
federal
law?
Truly,
this
is
a
provision
that
tracks
federal
and
state
law.
We
have
been
working
on
our
policies,
procedures,
bylaws
ordinance
since
well
before
you
were
elected.
This
is
a
process
we
have
been
going
through
and
this
non-discrimination
provision
is
about
as
inoffensive
as
you
can
get.
A
C
F
F
Be
doing,
and
let's
talk
about
discussing
how
we
can
actually
be
productive
with
this
downtown
and
do
things
for
it
as
an
incentive,
and
if
you
have
a
beef
with
some
religion,
I'm
shaking,
go
to
court
and
go
to
I,
don't
know
and
look
at
the
Bill
of
Rights
and
find
out
that
maybe
they
kept
the
rewriter
for
you.
If
you
don't
like
a
certain
religion,
let's
get
on
with
our
downtown
business.
A
H
O
O
A
O
A
J
A
A
O
Already
know
it's
not
about
me:
it's
about
the
public
citizens
who
the
city
citizens
of
Clearwater
don't
know,
I,
know
I'm,
not
afraid
to
call
and
ask
and
dialog
and
make
suggestions.
That's
why
I'm
calling
right
now,
I
think
the
more
you
information
you
put
on
your
website,
the
more
the
less
people
will,
the
more
people
hopefully
get
involved
and
the
less
people
will
be
suspicious
that
you
know
something
secretive
is
going
on
like
get
as
much
information
out
there
as
possible
and
in
your
recruitment.
O
A
Our
recruitment
process
I
think
we
promote
the
idea
in
our
meetings
that
we're
going
to
have
an
election
and
that
people
that
are
that
qualified
we
state
what
the
qualifications
are
and
that
and
the
nominating
committee
actively
looks
for
people
that
are
willing
to
participate
on
the
board.
I
was
contacted
by
the
city
a
number
of
years
ago
as
a
downtown
businessman
and
asked
if
I
wanted
to
serve
on
the
downtown
development
board.
That's
how
I
found
out
about
the
being
on
the
board.
A
J
I
A
B
A
A
A
L
A
A
A
E
F
A
B
B
B
A
L
A
comment
if
I
may
sure
sue
two
points
as
to
the
issues
raised
by
our
public
commenter.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
comments.
I
just
wanted
to
address
that
the
bylaws
are
on
our
website,
so
that
is
publicly
available.
But
of
course
we
welcome
any
feedback
in
terms
of
other
ways.
We
can
make
information
more
publicly
available.
It's
not
directly
on
point,
but
I
wanted
to
just
say
that,
while
she's
listening,
hopefully
and
then
secondly
I'm,
certainly
in
favor
of
adopting
this
policy,
I
think
it's
even
from
an
optics
perspective.
L
It
would
certainly
be
optically
as
well
as
substantive
ly,
problematic
for
us
to
vote
against
adopting
an
anti-discrimination
policy,
particularly
when
there's
nothing
in
it
to
suggest
any
sort
of
a
disparity
in
on
groups
or
anything
like
that.
So
I'm,
certainly
in
favor
of
it
and
I,
would
ask
my
members
to
do
so
as
well.
Thank
you
great.
A
H
The
city
did
publish
a
request
for
expressions
of
interest
for
the
imagine,
Clearwater,
bluff
properties,
and
the
purpose
of
this
was
to
see
what
developers
out
in
the
market
would
build
on
that
property.
What
kind
of
subsidy
or
financing
they
might
require
from
the
city?
What
kind
of
juices
they
thought
would
be
viable?
We
received
two
responses.
One
was
just
for
the
former
Harbor
View
site
for
apartment
building,
with
retail
on
the
ground
floor.
H
Our
real-estate
advisory,
firm
out
of
New
York,
they're
vetting
those
proposals,
we're
talking
with
the
developers
and
some
developers
who
said
they
were
going
to
respond,
but
didn't
respond
just
to
get
a
sense
of
as
best
we
can
right
now
kind
of
what
what's
feasible
to
be
constructed
there.
So
after
we
go
through
those
conversations,
a
next
step
would
be
referendum.
H
City
residents
have
to
approve
any
sale
or
lease
of
the
Harborview
and
former
city
hall
property.
That
referendum
right
now
looks
like
it's
most
likely
in
March
of
next
year,
because
of
all
things
that
are
required
and
then
after
we
vote
the
referendum,
then
we
would
issue
a
formal
request
for
proposals,
which
is
when
you
would
select,
not
you
DBB,
but
the
City.
H
The
winning
proposal
to
redevelop
the
properties
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
that.
Also,
the
CRA
has
published
three
requests
for
letters
of
interest
in
downtown
for
water
calm,
so
for
three
sites
that
we
own
and
we
are
looking
for
mixed
income
apartments
on
those
sites.
H
And
I
think
that
Chris
Hubbard,
our
cultural
affairs
specialist,
has
secured
the
ultimate
Medical
Academy
building.
So
if
you're
familiar
with
that
one
on
Cleveland's
a
really
tall
building,
so
that
could
be
a
very
nice
site
for
us,
so
stay
tuned
for
that
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Howard
I'm
gonna,
steal,
Rosemary's
Thunder,
since
she's
muted
right
now,
but
our
website
downtown
dining
that
that
page
has
gotten
19,000
views
as
a
Tuesday.
Normally
we
get
3500
elbow
so
19
thousand
views.
This
is
zero
paid
advertising.
So
that's
really
incredible!
M
Clearwater
residents
to
be
able
to
have
them
have
a
unique
dining
experience
in
downtown
it's
a
free
voucher
for
$20,
and
with
that
nine
four
out
of
the
nine
participants
for
the
restaurants
they
have
signed
up,
have
already
met
their
total
for
use
for
being
patented
vouchers,
be
redeemed
and
currently
overall
relation
rate.
So
we
still
have
a
few
more
boxers
off
there.
The
water
residents
for
viewers
at
home
are
watching.
A
Thank
you
very
good.
I
had
a
comment
on
I'll.
Get
you
in
a
second
Keenan
on
the
first
thing
that
you
mentioned:
Amanda
I
just
wanted
to
again
go
on
the
record
I've
been
on
this
for
years,
and
it's
probably
not
you
know
universally
popular,
but
my
own
position
on
the
bluff
is
that
it
should
be
public
area
right
now
and
that
could
include
hotel
or
for
businesses
or
restaurants
or
whatever,
but
I
would
hate
to
see
it
become
a
condo.
That's
inhabited.
A
A
F
A
A
A
Okay,
because
I
noticed
III
have
a
subscription
to
it
now
and
I
notice.
All
the
Pinellas
County
legal
ads
are
in
it,
so
it's
obviously
considered
a
proper
vehicle
for
that
kind
of
notification
and
I
would
rather
have
advertise
in
the
business
observer.
Okay.
So
now
that's
it
for
my
chairs
report
on
to
number
seven
board
members
comments
beginning
well,
let's
go
with
venkat.
First.
D
After
the
last
council
meeting,
they
imagined
a
water
project
is
soon
coming
to
a
reality.
We
hopefully
will
be
having
thousands
of
visitors
coming
to
downtown
bay
water.
We
need
to
have
a
better
parking
plan
to
accommodate
all
these
visitors.
I
know
that
the
city
already
did
a
previous
parking
study,
but
I
don't
want
the
previous
parking
study
covered
all
the
visitors
that
will
be
coming
due
to
they
imagine
a
water
project.
I
think
the
city
should
address
this
parking
problem.
D
C
This
is
justice
also
regards
to
what
Amanda
mentioned
in
the
updates.
I
speak
nice
to
hear
that
a
lot
of
cover
developers
are
interested
in
the
bluff
and
the
city
properties.
But
also
some
of
those
brought
to
my
attention
was
they
was
a
new
zoning
passed
by
the
county
and
I
was
wondering
if
they
can
find
out.
If
Clearwater
had
adopted
a
zoning
new
zoning
changes
and
if
they
have
and
why's
it
taking
so
long
to
top
that
like
now
something
we
should
discuss
about,
definite,
have
been
getting
more
developers
interested
in
Clearwater.
F
I
would
love
to
explore
ideas
of
ticket
manager,
maybe
do
some
signage
of
the
people
going
to
the
beach
from
the
Gulf
to
Bay.
So
maybe
we
can
route
some
of
them
into
downtown
or
visit
or
some
sort
of
a
incentive
or
something
to
get
them
to
come
visit
downtown
because
they
are
driving
there.
We
get
some
sort
of
a
signage
I,
don't
know
how
what
but
I
think
you'd
be
great.
Have
a
discussion
on
how
do
we
attract
attention?
Basically,
very.
A
L
Thank
four
months:
I've
already
picked
up
how
to
use,
but
I
guess
I
go
everyone
else's
comment.
So
one
thing
I
wanted
to
kind
of
briefly
sort
of
report
on
is
what
we're
currently
envisioning
to
address.
The
equity
and
diversity
work
that
I
had
requested
of
the
board,
which
had
kindly
been
granted
as
of
last
month.
We
certainly
and
I
welcome
any
input
we
have
from
members
of
the
public
in
terms
of
ideas
that
they
have
for
programs
projects
whatever
it
may
be.
L
I'm
currently
trying
to
reach
out
to
members
of
the
public
who
you
know,
would
likely
serve
and
potentially
a
host
or
facilitator
role,
and
so,
if
you,
if
anyone
is
interested
or
has
questions
or
ideas,
I,
certainly
welcome
that,
but
we're
we're
trying
to
hit
the
ground
running
on
that
topic.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.