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A
Today's
meeting
of
the
environmental
advisory
board
is
called
to
order
at
four
o'clock
on
october
21st
2020.
welcome
everyone.
Agendas
for
today's
meeting
are
on
the
wall
at
the
entrance
to
council
chambers
for
those
present
in
chambers.
Please
remember
to
turn
off
your
cell
phones.
The
agenda
for
today's
meeting
is
also
posted
online
at
myclearwater.com
due
to
covid
and
copen19
and
related
social
distancing
requirements.
A
This
meeting
is
being
held
remotely
pursuant
to
executive
order
number
20-69
issued
by
the
office
of
governor
ron
desantis
on
march
20th
2020
municipalities
may
conduct
meetings
of
their
governing
boards
without
having
a
quorum
of
its
members,
present
physically
or
at
any
specific
location
and
utilizing
conferencing,
as
provided
by
section
120.545b2
of
florida
statutes.
The
members
of
the
board
appearing
remotely
for
this
meeting
are
myself
chairman
jared
leone
vice
chair
john
thomas
and
board
members,
marita,
lynch
and
mark
wright.
A
The
city
has
established
the
following
two
options:
to
ensure
public
comment
for
a
virtual
meeting,
e-comments
via
granicus
e-comments
is
integrated
with
the
published
meeting
agenda
and
individuals
may
review
the
agenda
item
details
and
indicate
their
position
on
the
item.
Comments
received
during
the
meeting.
A
Will
become
part
of
the
official
record
if
posted
prior
to
the
closing
of
public
comment,
the
city
clerk
will
receive
will
read,
receive
comments
into
the
record
and
in
council
chambers,
like
any
other
eab
meeting,
the
public
may
provide
public
comment
during
the
meeting
in
person
at
the
main
library
in
council
chambers,
at
100
north
osceola
avenue,
to
ensure
a
complete
record
of
the
board's
actions.
We
ask
that
each
individual
wishing
to
speak
clearly
state
your
name
and
spell
it
for
the
clerk,
and
I
will
ask
the
board
members
to
introduce
themselves.
A
C
Hi
marita
lynch
I
live
at
1618
tuscola,
which
is
in
the
crest
lake
area
and
I'm
a
brand
new
member.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
for
joining
us
and
board
member
right.
Hi.
D
This
is
mark
wright,
welcome
marita
by
the
way
nice
to
see
you
and
pleasure
to
work
with
you
all.
A
All
right
great!
Thank
you
now.
Our
item
number
two
approval
of
minutes,
our
first
order
of
businesses
to
review
and
approve
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
back
in
january,
15
2020.,
may
I
have
a
motion
of
approval
motion
to
approve
mark
okay
and
a
second
second.
Okay.
Thank
you,
john.
Is
there
any
discussion.
B
The
only
discussion
I
would
offer
is
receiving
the
minutes.
Eight
months
after
the
meeting
a.
E
B
Tough
to
recollect
exactly
what
went
on
perhaps
in
the
future
minutes
could
be
issued
a
little
bit
sooner
after
we
have
our
meetings
just
be
helpful.
A
Okay,
yeah
and
I
think
typically,
our
our
minutes
are
produced
in
a
quicker
fashion,
but
I
think
maybe
some
of
the
coronavirus
may
have
been
an
excuse
in
this
case,
but
yeah.
Thank
you.
All
right
now
I'll
call
a
board
to
vote
on
this
item
due
to
board
members
participating
remotely.
I
will
ask
for
your
vote
on
this
individually
by
roll
call.
When
I
call
your
name,
please
tell
the
board
whether
you
approve
or
oppose
the
recommendat.
A
The
recommendation
for
this
item
vice
chair,
thomas.
B
A
Okay,
we're
just
approving
the
minutes-
I
I
know
we
already
had
we
already
motioned
and
seconded,
but
because
of
the
process,
we
have
to
go
through
it.
A
second
time
like
this
to
make
sure
everybody's
vote
is
recorded,
so
we
can
hear
it
properly.
Okay,
I
approve
the
minutes.
Okay,
thank
you
and
board
member
right
approved
all
right
and
I
vote
I
as
well.
A
The
minutes
are
approved
unanimously,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item,
citizens
to
be
heard
about
items
not
on
the
agenda,
so
I
will
ask
if
there's
any
member
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak
to
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda
today.
Is
there
anyone
in
council
chambers
who
would
like
to
speak
to
an
item
not
on
today's
agenda?
F
Hi,
my
name
is
lisa
lanza
and
I
will
fill
out
cardo.
So
the
first
thing
on
my
list
is
about
the
the
douglas
hackworth
preserve.
F
I
know
it's
not
on
your
agenda,
but
there
was
a
the
the
developer
decided
not
to
to
pull
out
so
now
the
county,
the
state
cities
all
have
to
come
up
with
the
money
to
buy
the
property,
and
I
just
want
to
ask
if
the
board
would
consider
passing
a
resolution,
or
at
least
asking
our
city
council
informally,
to
ask
our
state
representatives
in
particular
representative,
lavala
and
sprouls,
if
they
could
work
diligently
to
get
us
some
state
funding
to
buy,
to
help
the
county
and
the
city
of
dunedin
to
buy
that
property
and
by
the
way
the
property
is
right
across
the
street.
F
Just
to
the
north
side
of
well,
it's
very
close
to
clearwater.
So
I
pass
it
every
day
and
we
are
all
diligently
praying
that
that
we
will
get
the
money
and
purchase
that
property.
Okay
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
this
committee,
if
you've
actually
at
some
point
or
when
the
last
time
was
that
you
reviewed
the
ordinance
that
created
this
committee
and
also
looked
at
your
mission
statement
and
because
I
think
they're
from
it
seems
to
me
well
anyway.
F
If
you
could
take
a
look
at
those
and
the
city
is
going
to
be
reviewing
the
comp
plan,
they
about
to
create
a
committee,
it
was
discussed,
but
if
you
could
get
familiar
with
the
environmental
elements
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
that'd
be
great
and
then
the
brownfields
committee
they
met
in
this
month.
They
had
last
time
they
met
was
in
2018.
F
So
you
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
what's
going
on
with
the
brownfield
committee.
And
the
last
item
is
the
sunshine
law.
There's
been
a
little
confusion
about
whether
we're
allowed
to
send
emails
to
individual
members
of
the
city
boards,
and
you
know
what,
as
citizens,
what
we're
allowed
to
do
so
that
we're
not
violating
the
sunshine
law
and
board
members
what
you're
allowed
to
do
so
you
don't
violate
the
sunshine
law.
Good
luck
today.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
A
Okay,
see
no
one
else
coming
forward,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
item
four
new
business:
this
is
the
presentation
about
the
landings
referendum
and
I
think
denise
sanderson
from
the
city's
economic
development
and
housing
director.
The
city's
economic
development
housing
director
will
make
a
short
presentation
about
the
specifics
of
the
referendum
and
the
proposed
development.
G
Hi
good
afternoon,
denise
sanderson,
director
of
economic
development
and
housing,
as
you
said,
so
I'm
sure,
as
you
all
know,
city
staff
made
recommendation
to
council
in
june
of
this
of
this
year,
requesting
a
term
sheet
via
approved
for
the
proposed
herod
project
or
landings
project.
Excuse
me
by
the
developer,
herod
properties.
That
is
what
is
currently
known
as
the
landings
executive,
golf
course,
or
the
landings
golf
course
the
project
prior
to
being
presented
to
council
in
may
for
the
guidance.
G
G
There
would
be
three
phases
of
construction
in
total,
developing
seven
hundred
and
ten
thousand
square
feet.
Currently,
the
concept
site
plan
does
propose
nine
buildings
on
the
site
to
total
that
that
square
footage
anticipated
uses
of
this
of
this
project
or
light
industrial
park
would
include
research
and
technology.
High-Tech
manufacturing
holds
wholesale
distribution
and
office
and
I'll
mention
here,
because
I
think
there's
some
confusion
out
in
the
community
about
what
light
industrial
manufacturing
is
or
what
manufacturing
is
and
what
the
difference
is
between
light
industrial
and
heavy
industrial.
G
There
are
several
sustainability
features
that
the
developer
is
proposing
be
implemented
in
this
project.
They
include
reclaimed
water,
which
is
not
currently
available
at
the
site,
are
not
currently
utilized
at
the
site.
Excuse
me,
reclaimed
water,
for
your
great
irrigation
drip.
Irrigation
will
be
utilized
in
all
non-turf
areas
to
promote
water
savings.
G
G
Externally
there
will
be
bicycle
racks
electrical
vehicles,
charging
stations,
additional
conduit
to
accommodate
additional
tv
stations
as
demand
increases,
a
bus
stop
if
that's
amenable
to
psta
and
a
recycling
program
will
be
in
effect.
Internal
to
the
buildings
will
be
r30.
Roof
insulation,
low
loading,
low
e
impact
resistance,
glass
glass
in
the
upper
levels
will
allow
for
natural
light
in
those
warehouse
areas
and
led
lighting
with
light
harvesting
device
devices
and
motion
detectors
where
appropriate
will
be
utilized.
G
The
balance
of
this
77
acre
site
is
to
be
allocated
to
approximately
8.3
acres
of
public
park
land.
It
is
a
buffer
area
north
of
saint
andrews
code
2
and
a
proposed
aqua
range,
which
the
current
operator
of
the
landings
golf
course
is
expected
to
operate
in
the
12
acre
area.
That's
the
area
just
north
of
the
marymount
neighborhood
and
south
of
this
proposed
project
off
of
airport
drive.
There
would
be
no
access
to
the
industrial
park
off
of
airport
drive.
G
The
economic
impact
analysis
that
we
performed
in
our
office
utilizing
impact
data
sources,
modeling
software,
which
is
a
recognized
third
party
model
using
rims2
data,
is
expected
to
create
additional
jobs
for
the
city
of
clearwater,
as
well
as
for
county-wide,
so
those
spin-off
jobs
are
estimated
to
be
bear
with
me
a
moment.
Forgive
me
I've.
You
know
I've
done
this
discussion
so
many
times,
and
then
I
get
lost
in
there.
Additional
1580
jobs
are
anticipated
in
indirect
and
induced
job
creation.
G
Those
are
the
spin-off
jobs
I
mentioned
so
this
those
how
those
jobs
what
those
jobs
are
are
within
the
supply
chain
of
those
tenant
businesses.
They
are
the
disposable
income
expended
by
employees
out
in
restaurants,
etc.
That's
where
we
get
indirect
and
induced
job
creation
and
county-wide.
Additionally,
1200
jobs
are
anticipated
to
be
created
over
time.
G
Here's
that
spin-off
effect,
if
you
will,
we
did
have
a
certified
arborist
on
staff,
take
a
look
at
the
site
out
there
and
identified
that
most
of
the
native
tr.
Most
of
the
trees
that
are
out
there
right
now
are
water,
consuming
non-native
species
and
need
to
be
removed
from
the
site.
Certainly,
the
healthy
trees
out
there
will
be
replaced
inch
for
inch
in
accordance
with
our
current
policies.
G
There
is,
there
has
been
significant
evaluation,
a
phase
two
and
phase
phase,
one
and
phase
two
environmental
studies
were
done
at
the
site.
There
is
a
debris
field
on
the
northern
and
eastern
northeastern
sections
of
the
site.
That
debris
field
has
been
characterized
as
being
it's
actually
an
old
dump
from
the
1940s
or
50s.
We
have
aerials
of
it,
but
it's
generally
comprised
of
wood,
rubber,
metal,
ceramic
and
glass.
G
This
is
not
a
recognized
environmental
concern
under
current
epa
and
dep
rules,
which
is,
I
think,
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize.
There's
a
certainly
in
golf
courses
there's
a
lot
of
herbicides
and
pesticides
as,
as
I'm
sure
you
all
know
that
are
used
on
a
golf
course
under
dep
and
epa
rules.
Those
are
not
considered
recognized
environmental
concerns.
B
I
have
a
number
of
questions
and
comments
as
well.
I
don't
recollect
what
you
indicated.
The
jobs
number
was,
I
heard
the
spin-off
jobs
of
1580..
Did
you
report
on
the.
B
I
guess
I'm
a
little
confused,
then,
between
the
site
plan.
That's
provided
and
the
jobs
numbers,
because
the
site
plan
only
shows
a
thousand
parking
spaces
more
or
less.
B
It
appears
to
be
based
on
the
development
code,
criterion
of
1.5
spaces
for
light
industrial
type
of
use,
which
comes
to
a
little
over
a
thousand
spaces,
and
that's
what's
shown
on
this
plant,
but
the
if
you
go
to
the
research
and
techno
technology
type
of
use,
you
need
two
parking
spaces
per
square
per
thousand
square
feet,
and
you
know
that
would
reduce
the
overall
amount
of
square
footage,
perhaps
depending
on
the
uses
and
it
just.
B
It
seems
that
you
know
there's
numbers
being
presented
regarding
the
number
of
jobs
that
are
inconsistent
with
the
site
plan
that
only
shows
kind
of
a
warehousing
manufacturing
use
with
a
lot
of
loading
areas.
You
know,
that's
that's
what
I
see
on
the
plan.
G
I'm
not
sure
what
version
of
the
site
plan
you
have.
I
don't
have
in
my
possession
any
site
plan
that
indicates
that
only
a
thousand
parking
spaces.
The
site
plan
that
was
presented
to
council
in
june,
which
is
the
the
site
plan
that
was
associated
with
the
term
sheet
approved
by
council,
shows
1776.
B
Is
it
possible
to
put
that
up
on
the
screen?
I
haven't
seen
that
the
only
one
I've
seen
is
through
the
league
of
women.
Voters
summary
on
the
project.
G
G
B
G
A
B
Well,
I
just
point
out
the
inconsistency
for
folks
somebody.
I've
gone
through
the
the
process
of
you
know
computing
the
spaces
and
you
know
they're,
not
all,
there's
there's
not
that
many
spaces,
nothing
to
win.
G
Understood
I
understood
that
you
counted
them,
but
but
what
has
been
approved
is
based
on
this
concept
site
plan,
where
they
state
1789
parking
space.
When
you.
G
B
B
Code
says
two
for
research
and
technology
at
least
that's
my
read
of
the
code
that
I
pulled
up
today.
B
To
to
get
into
some
of
the
environmental
issues,
that
really
are
the
the
purview
of
this
board.
B
B
You
know
whether
there's
residual
contamination
in
those
official
soils,
soil
management
plan-
because
clearly
you
know
what's
being
shown
here-
is
there's
probably
what
it
is:
35
to
40
acres
of
the
land
to
be
stripped
of
those
official
soils
and
how
those
are
going
to
be
dealt
with
dust
control
during
construction
is
a
big
issue
for
the
the
quality
of
those
residents.
B
I
haven't
heard
anything
about
the
neighborhood
impacts
in
terms
of
buffers
and
lightings
and
noise
impacts.
You
know,
there's
the
site
plan
shows
these
huge
areas
for
loading,
and
you
know
trucking
whether
it's
warehousing
use
that's
shown
on
that
site
plan.
B
But
you
know
what
are
the
hours
of
operation
we
haven't
heard
any
of
these
things
that
all
go
into
a
comprehensive
environmental
report,
so
I'm
struggling
with
you
know
just
providing
input
and
review
of
this
project
when
there's
really
nothing
there
for
us
to
look
at
in
a
concrete
fashion
that
outlines
the
environmental
conditions
on
the
property
and
impacts
it's
going
to
have
on
the
neighborhood
and
the
environmental
resources
the
groundwater
supply.
B
B
And
lad
lighting
is
great,
but
I'd
like
to
see
the
other
e
in
there
with
a
a
lead
type
of
a
project
commitment.
You
know
in
a
certification
level
that
this
developer
would
want
to
take.
You
know
what
is
currently
now
park
land
and
convert
it
to
an
industrial
park.
He
should
do
so
at
the
highest
level.
B
That's
you
know
reasonable
and
practical.
In
today's
world
we
haven't
seen
any
commitments
with
regards
to
those
those
different
kinds
of
criteria,
so
those
are
just
some
of
my
initial
thoughts.
G
And
please
forgive
me
I'm
so
I'm
not
certain
what
the
the
action
item
may
be.
I
have
not
seen
your
agenda,
I'm
not
certain.
If
there
is
a
requested
action
item
for
this,
I
was
asked
to
present
the
project
that,
as
it
is
prepared
for
referendum,
which
of
course
is
on
november
3rd
I
can
share
with,
and
so
some
of
the
questions
are
outside
of
of
my
scope
in
so
far
as
the
eav's
role
in
this
project
this
evening,
but
I
will
share
with
you
an
answer
to
your
questions.
G
A
traffic
study
has
not
been
performed.
A
traffic
study
is
required
prior
to
approvals,
and
there
are
still
many
many
steps
for
approval.
Should
this
a
referendum
pass
keene
road
is
classified
as
a
level
c
road,
so
there
is
deemed
to
be
capacity
on
that
road.
As
I
mentioned,
there
are
three
planned
entrances
and
exits,
all
of
which
are
on
keene.
G
Currently,
traffic
operations
has
informed
us
that
there
is
a
joint
project
with
the
county,
for
what
is
currently
and
I'm
looking
at
is
on
palmetto
there's,
currently
a
stop
there.
The
mast
arms
supports
a
full
stop.
This
is
unrelated
to
this
project
and
was
planned
in
the
cip,
both
county
and
city,
at
some
point
prior
to
this
project
ever
coming
forward,
and
so
there
is
going
to
be
a
fully
signalized
light
at
palmetto.
G
There
are
no
other
plans
for
additional
lights
along
keene
in
terms
of
traffic
impacts
to
the
neighboring
communities.
There
is
not
currently
a
plan
to
put
in
speed
control
features.
However,
there
has
been
discussion
that
they
might
may
well
be
required
or
are
needed.
I
should
say
the
traffic
study
will
give
us
some
indication
of
that,
but
we
fully
anticipate
putting
in
speed
tables
along
airport,
drive
to
minimize
or
eliminate
the
cut
through
traffic
that
may
develop
through
that
neighborhood.
G
We
recognize
that
that
is
probably
a
valid
concern
for
those
residents,
so
I
would
anticipate
that.
That's
what
is
going
to
be
unnecessary.
You
asked
about
hours
of
operation.
This
is
a
speculative
project
and
as
a
light
industrial
project,
I
would
not
anticipate
third
third
shift,
although
they
would
not
be
prohibited
from
having
third
shift
operations.
There
is
my
understanding
I
would
suspect.
I
do
suspect
that
there
would
likely
be
some
second
shift
operations
from
some
of
the
tenants
out
there.
G
The
forgive
me
I
was
trying
to
jot
down
the
questions
as
you
were
reading
those
john.
So
if
I've
missed
anything,
let
me
know
you
asked
about
the
phase
one
and
phase
two
environmental
reviews,
I'm
very
happy
to
provide
those
to
you.
They
are,
of
course,
public
record.
They
were
referenced
in
my
staff
report
to
city
council.
They
were
not
provided.
I
didn't
want
to
overwhelm
council.
As
you
may
know,
our
role
as
staff
is
to
review
all
these
documents
and
provide
recommendation
based
on
those.
G
G
The
phase
one
and
phase
two
were
conducted
by
tiara
environmental,
the
geod,
the
geosyntec
was
hired
by
the
city
of
clearwater
to
verify
the
construction
techniques
that
were
being
proposed
in
the
northern
section
over
the
debris
field
to
confirm
that
those
were
appropriate
construction
techniques,
storm
water
ponds
that
you've
mentioned
it's
not
in
my
wheelhouse
co2
sequestration
or
carbon
sequestration,
but
they
are
going
to
be
sterile
ponds.
One
of
the
analyses
that
we
conducted
was
wildlife
hazard.
G
We
had
a
wildlife
hazard
site,
visitation
study
done
out
at
this
site,
looking
at
the
potential
impacts
of
current
use
versus
proposed
future
use.
G
One
current
use
is
a
much
higher
risk
for
air
park
operations
in
terms
of
bird
or
large
animal
strike
for
the
the
flying
aircraft
that
land
and
take
off
at
that
airpark.
A
proposed
new
use
does
reduce
some
of
those
risks.
G
G
We
inquired
about
whether
or
not
that
would
end
up
being
a
wildlife
attractant
in
that
southern
aqua
range
and
her
analysis
showed
that
that
kind
of
active
use
on
the
southern
end
would
not
attract
additional
wildlife
to
that
area.
To
that
green
area
with
that
kind
of
activity
in
that
southern
retention
pond,
do
you
have
another
question?
Did
I
answer
all
those
questions?
I'm
sure
I
did
not
answer
all
of
those.
I
don't
know
if
I
can
answer
any
of
those
other
questions,
I'm
not
qualified
to
do
so,
but
well.
G
C
I
have
a
couple
of
questions,
but
they're
they're
not
so
much
questions
as
they
are
concerns,
and
really
this
is
the
only
venue
that
we
have
to
air
those
so
they're
getting
posed
to
you.
But
in
my
observation
of
this
and
in
talking
with
a
lot
of
citizens,
it
seems
like
the
concerns.
Well.
First
of
all,
I
think
if
this
project
were
anywhere
but
on
green
open
space,
it
would
be
much.
People
would
be
much
happier
about
it.
C
I
think
it's
economically
a
wonderful
thing
for
clearwater,
but
the
fact
that
it
is
on
open,
green
space
makes
it
completely
different
and
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
and
the
concerns
that
I
have
are
first
of
all
about
the
process.
Although
we
have
heard
that
this
process
has
been
going
on
for
nine
years,
it
first
came
before
council
just
a
few
months
ago
to
be
put
on
the
referendum
for
this
november.
C
So
that's
a
really
short
time
frame
for
citizens
to
be
made
aware
to
understand
to
follow
all
the
studies
that
you
say
have
been
done.
So
that's
a
real
big
concern
also
regarding
process.
The
fact
that
the
eab
is
only
now
hearing
of
it
and
granted
covet
happened,
but
if
it's
been
going
on
for
nine
years,
you
would
think
that
maybe
the
eab
would
have
heard
about
it
before
it's
already
on
the
ballot.
So
that's
a
second
concern
about
the
process
they
have
and
the
other
concern
I
have
is
about
benefits
to
clear
water.
C
C
So
I
don't
think
that
has
been
given
enough
credence
and
I
think
that's
why
people
are
very
upset
about
this,
so
the
recreational
needs
I've
seen
quoted
that
clearwater
is
under
the
recreational
needs
that
have
been
developed
for
the
city
and
the
other
concern
is
that
whether
or
not
this
is
in
adherence
with
clearwater's
own
green
print
and
sustainability
plans,
so
that
that's
a
really
big
concern
of
me
and
of
many
other
people,
and
when
you
talk
about
economic
development
and
jobs,
who
are
these
people?
Who
are
these
jobs?
C
For
I
mean
who
who's
going
to
be
coming
in
and
taking
these
jobs,
and
do
we
have
the
housing
for
them?
So
the
process
is
a
concern.
The
impact
on
concern
and
where
we
ea
be
in
the
process
is
also
a
concern.
Thanks.
G
So
let
me
talk
to
you
about
the
process,
so
the
process
for
this
particular
project
in
fact,
did
not
take
nine
years.
What
what
is
nine
years
is
the
economic
development
strategic
plan
identified
this
as
a
strategic
and
necessary
site
to
consider
for
conversion
for
an
industrial
use,
so
that
was
called
out
specifically
as
a
priority
strategy
in
the
2011
plan.
G
For
numerous
reasons
that
analysis
was
not
conducted
at
various
points
throughout.
There
was
a
period
of
time
where
staffing
shortages
and
resources
necessary
to
conduct
all
the
studies
prohibited
us
from
moving
forward
with
it.
There
was
another
period
in
time
where
pinellas
county
planning
department,
the
mpo
ppc
known
as
ford
pinellas
and
the
city
of
clearwater
endeavored,
doing
a
comprehensive
analysis
of
what
is
very
much
an
enclaved
area
for
the
county
and
city,
meaning
we
have
numerous
unincorporated
properties
out
in
that
area,
particularly
surrounding
hercules
and
belcher.
G
G
They
did
approach
the
city
of
clearwater
in
january
of
2019,
and
so
at
that
point
we
began
exploring
whether
or
not
it
was
feasible
to
consider
this
conversion
alongside
that,
of
course,
was
due
diligence
into
the
quality
of
this
development,
firm,
etc
and
response
from
the
city
attorney's
office
about
whether
or
not
we
were
required
to
take
it
to
rfp.
G
The
city
of
clearwater,
hired
geosyntec
to
ratify
and
confirm
effectively
not
ratified.
Excuse
me
confirm
the
the
conclusions
of
the
previous
report.
As
I
mentioned
so
the
process,
very
typically
staff,
cannot
get
it.
It
is
because
it
was
not
a
planning
effort.
G
Staff
cannot
introduce
the
project
to
the
public
without
first
taking
it
to
city
council
and
that's
what
occurred
in
may
of
this
year,
and
I
recognize
that
the
community
believes
that
that's
a
very,
very
brief
time
frame
and-
and
I
don't
disagree
with
you-
I
will
share
with
you
that
it
was
an
intentional
decision
on
the
staff's
part
and
when
I
say,
staff,
I'm
also
referring
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
city
manager's
office
as
well.
I
should
be
clear
with
that.
It
was
intentional
decision
to
wait
until
the
new
council
members
were
seated.
G
We
thought
it
was
inappropriate
to
bring
it
to
council,
knowing
that
three
seats
were
were
going
to
were
up
for
re-election
and
that
we
could
have
a
new
majority
of
council
it
did
not.
We
did
not
believe
it
appropriate
to
bring
it
to
council,
whose
majority
may
shift
in
the
march
election,
which
of
course
it
did
do
so.
We
had
hoped
to
bring
it
in
the
first
meeting
immediately
following
that
march
30th
swearing
in
covid,
we
were
in
the
middle
of
covid
and
understandably
so.
G
G
Nonetheless,
they
indicated
to
us
in
mid
to
late
april
that
they
would
like
to
move
forward
and
we
brought
it
as
quickly
as
we
could,
which
was
the
may
21st
meeting.
So
I
absolutely
understand
the
public's
concern
that
that
seems
like
a
very
brief
window.
I
don't
necessarily
disagree,
but
that
is
the
thought
process
that
and
and
circumstance
that
brought
us
to
the
may
21st
meeting
why
it
has
not
come
before
the
eab.
Until
now,
I
cannot
answer
I'm
not
staffed
to
eab,
and
so
that's
something
I
just
simply
cannot
answer.
G
I
can
share
with
you
that
engineering
was
a
part
of
these
discussions
for
14
months
and
it
was
not
proposed
to
me
that
it
go
before
the
eab.
I
I
don't
know
if
what
what
the
obligations
or
the
role
of
the
eab
are
as
it
relates
to
these
kinds
of
projects.
So
please
forgive
me
for
that.
I've
not
reviewed
your
ordinance
or
bylaws
if
you
will
so
so,
I'm
not
familiar.
Similarly,
this
is
not
a
designated
brownfield.
G
This
project
did
not
go
to
the
brownfield
other
brownfield
advisory
board
other
than
as
a
briefing.
We
did
not
seek
recommendation
from
them
either
and
whether
or
not
that
process
needs
to
be
changed.
That's
not
for
me
to
to
decide
that's
something
for
council
to
consider
perhaps,
but
as
far
as
I
know
that
that
is
the
you
know,
we
follow
the
part,
the
process
that
is
prescribed
for
us,
which
is
to
take
it
to
council
and
no
other
process
was
required
in
terms
of
impact
to
the
community.
G
I
I
absolutely
understand
that
this
has
generated
a
lot
of
conversation
and
a
lot
of
discomfort
for
for
many
many
people.
G
I
certainly
believe
that
everyone
should
be
engaged
in
this
process
and
should
understand
the
pros
and
cons
of
of
this
particular
project,
and
I
so
I
think
it's
particularly
important
that
this
project
goes
to
referendum
right
because,
ultimately,
it's
the
ultimate
vote.
It's
not
counting
on
your
five
elected
council
members
to
make
this
decision
on
your
behalf,
and
so
I
certainly
welcome
anybody's
questions
regarding
the
information
the
you
know.
G
What
went
into
our
staff
recommendation
it's
a
fully
transparent
and
public
process
in
terms
of
the
availability
of
all
that
information
happy
to
share
and
talk
with.
In
fact,
I
spent
an
hour
and
a
half
on
the
phone
this
morning
with
a
resident
on
clearwater
beach
about
this
project,
so
happy
to
talk
with
any
of
them.
Whether
or
not
the
process
needs
to
change,
and
I
think
there
probably
should
be
some
discussion
about
whether
this
process
should
change.
That's
a
pro,
that's
a
discussion.
G
I
do
know
that
city
council
is
intending
to
have
a
conversation
about
advisory
boards,
it's
being
agended
in
one
of
the
upcoming
meetings,
and
I
suspect
that
that
conversation
will
occur
there.
A
A
Does
that
answer
everything
for
you,
marita,
council,
council?
Yes,
thank
you.
C
A
And
then
mark
board
member.
H
Right
jared
sorry
to
interrupt,
can
we
keep
the
questions
to
denise
related
to
either
the
referendum?
Has
it
came
up?
Was
she
covered
completely
or
economic
development
topics?
We
have
a
chance
to
talk
about
other
things
at
the
next
agenda
item,
but
this
is
specific
for
her
presentation.
So,
let's.
A
A
Certainly
yeah,
if
mark
are
you.
D
Still
there
yeah,
I
just
said,
maybe
some
comments
regarding
this
issue.
If
not
necessarily
any
questions,
unless
you
know
denise
wants
to
chime
in
on
some
of
these
things,
you
know
I
try
to
take
a
a
different
approach
to
this
than
a
lot
of
people
have
where
I'm
not.
I
figured
a
lot
of
people
had
looked
into
how
environmentally
friendly
this
light.
D
Industrial
thing
is,
but
I
asked
myself
how
environmentally
friendly
is
this
golf
course,
and
one
of
the
things
I
that
denise
pointed
out
earlier
is
that
this
golf
course
currently
uses
the
aquifer
as
their
means
of
watering
rather
than
using
reclaimed
water?
D
To
me,
that's
not
environmentally
friendly
and
I'd
like
to
think
had
they
built
this
golf
course
by
today's
standards
that
might
be
different,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
need
to
consider
is.
It
seems
to
me
that
this
developer
has
taken
more
time
and
probably
by
today's
standards,
to
be
friendly
to
the
environment
than
the
developer
of
this
golf
course
did.
The
other
thing
I
asked
is:
does
this
golf
course
have
an
environmental
plan?
The
answer
is
no.
D
The
answer
was,
they
would
eat
the
water
features.
That's
their
plan,
there's
no
written
plan.
I
asked
is
this
course
a
member
of
the
audubon
cooperative
sanctuary
program
common
to
golf
courses.
The
answer
was
no
they're
not.
This
is
not
an
environmentally
friendly
golf
course,
and
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
golf
is
not
as
popular
as
it
once
was.
We've
already
seen
other
golf
courses
in
the
area
shut
down
and
turn
into
housing.
D
I
myself
prefer
light
industrial
over
another
apartment
complex.
I
don't
know
where
the
other
board
members
stand
on
that,
but
to
me
getting
tax
dollars
from
this
light.
Industrial
thing.
What
I
would
like
to
see,
if
I
could
make
a
recommendation,
would
I'd
like
to
be.
I
see
a
plan
for
this
new
tax
revenue
to
be
used
on
other
environmental
projects.
I
know
that's
one
of
the
things
that
mayor
hibbert
had
talked
about
when
he,
when
we
just
when
I,
when
I
read
an
article
about
it,
is
that
well
hey.
D
The
other
thing
I
asked
is:
how
often
does
this
golf
course
mow
their
lawns?
The
answer
is
every
day
every
day
they
gotta
mow
all
that
acreage
with
gas
mowers.
That's
not
something
they're
gonna
have
to
do
in
a
light
industrial
complex.
They
don't
have.
They
don't
have
electric
mowers,
the
lighting.
D
There
is
not
leds,
currently
lighting
the
golf
course
and
to
me
that's
not
environmentally
friendly,
so
I
asked
I
I
asked
you
guys
to
maybe
take
a
look
at
how
environmentally
friendly
what's
there
is
compared
to
the
process
and
the
steps
that
are
going
being
taken
place
by
this
developer.
To
me,
it's
actually
surprising
the
level
of
effort
they've
gone
through.
I
mean
the
developers
already
talked
to
swift
mud
back
in
february.
D
That's
something
that
the
golf
course
has
never
done.
So
that's
my
view
on
it
and
I
don't
know
if
I
had
any
questions
as
much
as
more
comments
and
that's
where
I'm
at
on
this
issue.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
mark.
I
think
some
of
that
is
would
be
related
more
to
our
our
next
item
than
to
to
denise,
and
I
can
answer,
or
maybe
sarah
can
answer
some
of
those
questions,
because
I
I
do
believe
that
it's
not
going
to
remain
a
golf
course
after
this
vote.
No
matter
what
happens,
I
I
believe
that
they
lost
their
ability
to
their
their
permitting
to
keep
keep
it
as
a
golf
course.
A
So
I
I'm
not
sure
and-
and
I
don't
believe
it
can
also
be
developed
for
housing
because
of
the
environmental
conditions
of
the
the
land
there,
but
I
think
sarah
or
someone
else
might
be
able
to
speak
more
more
to
that,
but
as
far
as
for
issues
or
questions
to
denise,
if
everyone,
if
you
have
any
other
questions
anyone
else,
I
was
going
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions
before
opening
up
to
the
members
of
the
council
of
chambers.
B
I
had
one
follow-up
question
regarding
the
phase
two
environmental
reports
was
that
just
focused
on
the
old
dump
site,
or
was
testing
done
with
regards
to
this
official
soils,
to
look
at
you
know
whatever
residual
contamination
there
may
be
from
bird
cresides
and
pesticides
used
on
the
golf
course.
G
B
A
Okay,
thank
you,
john.
I
had
a
couple
of
quick
questions
that
you
might
be
able
to
answer
denise.
I
hope.
If
not
and
and
some
of
them
you
may,
we
may
have
already
kind
of
glossed
over
through
our
discussion
at
this.
You
know
to
this
point,
but
I
just
to
lead
off
I
you
know
we
had
no
idea.
I
I
think
the
other
members
of
the
board
will
agree.
A
I
don't
think
we
had
any
idea
that
two
and
a
phase-
one
and
two
environmental
study
had
been
completed
on
this
project
and
and
if
that
were
the
case-
and
it's
been
the
case
for
quite
a
while,
as
you
said
that
that
should
have
been
part
of
our
package
of
information,
especially
for
an
environmental
advisory
board.
A
I
appreciate
that
you
came
here
and
gave
the
presentation
that
you
did
and
and
thank
you
for
that,
but
I
do
think
that,
because
of
the
role
of
our
board,
that
is,
you
know,
critical
information
for
us
to
kind
of
continue
or
have
a
discussion
on
this
project
from
from
an
environmental
advisory
board
mindset,
but
so
anyway,
moving
on,
I
I
just
wanted
to
know
and
and
john
kind
of
brought
this
up
initially.
Would
the
buildings
meet
or
exceed
led
specs
lead
specs.
They
won't.
G
They
will
not.
The
developer
does
indicate
that
at
a
council
meeting
and
I
believe
july,
they
did
indicate
that
they
are
lead
friendly
and
they
try
to
implement
as
many
lead
or
green
principles
as
they
can
into
every
project.
G
A
Okay
and
then
prior
to
the
presentation
to
at
our
advisory
board
and
prior
to
this
going
to
referendum,
has
the
airpark
advisory
board
had
a
presentation
on
this?
No,
they
have
not
okay
and
has
the
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board
has
a
presentation
on
this?
No,
it
has
not
okay.
A
Thank
you
and
then
also-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
would
know
this-
or
this
would
be
someone
else-
you
know
if
this
is
an
economic
or
I
don't
know,
but
I
had
seen
the
number
of
the
acres
of
park
space
per
person
the
city
has
14
or
so,
and
the
recommended
number
is
four
acres
per
person,
something
like
that
yeah.
So
I'm
curious
if
that
number
is
including
the
beach
and
cooper's
point
or
if
that
just
includes
parks
that
that
residents
typically
go
to.
G
Yeah,
if
you'll
bear
with
me
just
a
moment,
I
think
I
have
a
memo
from
art
cater
that
because
it's
it's
pretty
complicated
and
there
was
some
calculation
errors
made
by
the
consultant
that
were
found
after
a
consultant's
report
or
something
bear
with
me
a
moment
I'll
see
if
I
can
pull
it
up.
G
This
question
wasn't
asked
by
mr
wright
but
I'll
use
this
moment.
While
I'm
looking
for
this
document
to
to,
he
reminded
me
that
I
did
not
indicate
the
use
of
the
water
groundwater
at
the
site
I
a
year
year
ago,
this
was,
I
would
say,
probably
a
year
march
to
march-
was
39
million
gallons
of
groundwater
at
the
site,
with
their
swift
mud
permit.
G
That
is
not
the
maximum
groundwater
use
allowed
in
their
current
permit,
and
sarah
can
speak
to
this
more
specifically,
but
the
permit
was
extended
through
the
period
of
this
referendum,
so
that
the
operator
of
the
course
would
not
be
required
to
hook
up
to
reclaimed
water.
You
know
if
the
use
of
this
site
was
going
to
change.
G
It
didn't
make
sense
to
hook
up
to
reclaimed
water.
If
you
know
pending
this
decision.
So
sarah
will
have
more
information
about
the
swift
mud
permit.
If
there
are
any
questions
about
that,
it
was
also
asked
about.
I've
got
this
document
here.
It
was
also
asked
about
multi-family
and
you're
correct
if
multi-family
development
is
not
allowed
in
open
space
recreation,
and
so
therefore
it
would,
we
cannot
sell
lease
or
convey
open
space
recreation
for
use-
that's
not
allowed
in
open
space
recreation
without
going
to
referendum.
G
G
Multi-Family
could
be
constructed
at
the
site,
but
it's
important
to
note
that
the
environmental
requirements,
as
I'm
sure
you
all
know,
are
far
different
from
multi-family
in
terms
of
level
of
standard
there,
and
so
the
cost
of
doing
of
making
site
ready
for
multi-family
development
would
of
course
be
different
than
what
we're
talking
about
for
light
industrial,
given
the
environmental
controls
that
they
will
be
putting
into
place.
So
I'm
looking
at
a
memo
that
was,
I
know,
transmitted
to
council
upon
the
request
of
council
member
beckman.
G
The
master
plan
established
that
we
had,
and
this
was
in
2013.
the
master
plan
at
that
time
established
1708
acres.
At
that
time
we
had
an
estimated
population
of
117
000,
so
that
equates
to
14.59
acres
per
1000
residents.
G
The
updated
master
plan,
which
does
indeed
include
cooper's
point
and
clearwater
beach,
is
1851
acres
for
those
same
117
000
residents,
that's
15.82,
acres
per
acre
for
1
000
and
then
the
tyndale
oliver
study
that
was
conducted
that
did
not
include
the
golf
courses
showed
we
had
924
acres.
That
equates
to
7.89
acres
per
thousand.
G
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
confusion
over
this
and
that's
because
we've
had
three
different
looks
at
this
right,
so
the
numbers
are
all
over
the
place,
but
it
is
important
to
note
that
when
we're
talking
about
open
space
recreation,
that
does
not
mean
that
it's
all
open
space
there
are
facilities
on
these
acreages.
As
well
so
certainly,
I
wish
to
convey
that
that's
all
greenfield
open
space.
A
Right
and
and
some
of
again
some
of
this
acreage,
like
cooper's
point,
isn't
accessible
for
the
public,
so
it
that's
where
I
wanted
to
know
what
the
actual
number
would
be
and
I
it
sounds
like
we
don't
really
know
what
it
is.
But
it's
not
14.
It's
not
four,
and
it's
not
it's
not.
I
don't
know
if
it's
7.89
either
we're
not
really
sure
so,
but
it's
it's
somewhere
in
there
lower
than
it's
well.
G
We
always
look
to
acquire
more
green
space,
more
open
space
when
we
can
so
I
don't
wish
to
convey
to
anybody
that
you
know,
though,
the
level
of
standard
is
established
at
four
that
that's
our
goal,
certainly
not.
But
yes,
it's
so
the
number
that
you're
asking
for.
I
can't
figure
it
out
and
it
depends
on
how
you
ask
the
question.
I
think
what
is
zoned
open
space
recreation,
what
is
vacant,
what
is
occupied
by
facility
etc?
A
Yeah,
I
think
acreage
like
the
beach
and
cooper's
point
kind
of
buoy,
the
number
though
or
or
way
it
you
know
inflated
in
a
way
that
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
every
resident
is
able
to
access
the
beach
or
go
to
the
beach
or
and
and
cooper's
point
is
again
like
I
said
close
for
the
public,
so
you
can't
access
that
at
all.
A
G
G
So
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
lot
of
conversation
about
this
because
there's
so
everybody
has
a
different
definition
of
what
open
space
or
recreation
is,
and,
quite
honestly,
it's
about
as
clear
as
mud
to
somebody
like
me:
who's,
not
in
parks
and
recreation,
and
not
a
part
of
that
environment.
If
you
will.
A
Sure,
thank
you.
I
think
these
other
questions
are
more
in
your
wheelhouse.
I
hope
you
mentioned.
There's
been
talk
of
what
I
guess:
10
million
dollars
over
10
years
or
the
the
tax
benefits
for
this
project,
and
I'm
curious.
If
that's
if
those
numbers
are
based
on
when
the
project's
complete
after
seven
years,
or
is
that
from
when
the
moment
ground
breaks
on
the
project,
if
it
were
approved,
no.
G
So
our
economic
modeling
is
done
and,
as
I
said,
we
use
a
third-party
modeling
software,
so
what
they
build
into
the
back
end
of
it
are
things
like
all
of
our
millage
rates
and
all
these
other
data
points,
including
the
rims
to
economic
modeling.
That's
so
the
inputs
that
I
for
the
economic
modeling
reflect
the
term
sheet.
What
I
mean
by
that
is
the
start
of
construction,
the
anticipated
completion
for
each
of
those
phases,
and
then
we
assume
job
creation
comes
with
that.
G
So
when
we
look
at
the
capital
investment
that
the
developer
has
indicated,
they
anticipate
to
put
into
certainly
facilities,
as
well
as
the
furniture
fixtures
equipment
that
is
anticipated
and
by
the
way
this
does
not
really
include
tenant.
G
That
may
be
made
there
in
this
analysis
that
we
did
so
when
we
input
the
capital
investment
in
a
phase,
it
should
mirror
the
term
sheet
phasing
and
that
term
she
identifies
the
maximum
phasing
the
latest
each
phase
can
start
not
the
earliest,
so
those
benefits
could
be
received
a
bit
earlier
and
then
we
also
then
marry
up
the
the
job
creation
based
on
square
footage
constructed
in
each
phase.
That's
how
we
get
to
the
economic
forecast.
If
you
will
the
analysis
that
you
all
have
seen
in
terms
of
outputs
right
so.
A
And
that
says
it's
over
a
course
of
10
years,
but
the
project
itself
is
is
going
to
take
seven
years
to
realize
completion.
So
is
that
10
years
overlapping
with
that
seven
years,
or
does
that
start
after
a
certain
point
within
that?
So
would
we
be
looking
at
10
to
15
years
down
the
road
or
15
to
20
years
down
the
road
realizing
that
economic
benefit.
A
G
G
Number
to
come
by
generally,
and
so
of
course
we
rely
on
our
real
estate
professionals
out
there
in
the
marketplace
at
the
time
that
we
brought
this
project
forward.
We
had
7
200
square
feet
listed
in
the
city
of
clearwater
for
sale
or
lease
that
is
zoned
industrial
since
that
time,
hercules
stealing
project
on
products
which
is
out
on
belcher
has
posted
their
property
for
sale
and
that's
about
75
000
square
feet.
That
company
is
relocating
operations
to
louisville
kentucky.
G
It
is
not
vacant
at
this
site
at
this
time,
but
it
it
will
be
vacant
and
is
available
for
sale.
A
Okay
and
then
I'm
I'm
curious,
and
you
might
not
know
this,
but
maybe
because
you've
been
working
with
them
on
this,
how
many
empty
square
feet
of
industrial
space
does
harrod
properties
currently
owner
control,
they
have
a
number
of
industrial
complexes
throughout
our
county
and
other
places.
G
Sure,
when
last
I
checked
with
them,
they
had
about
3
000
square
feet
available
for
rent.
I
should
mention,
though,
that
they
do
in
fact
have
lease
signs
on
every
single
one
of
their
facilities
and
when
asked
about
that
by
a
member
of
the
public
out
at
the
landings
golf
course
when
they
held
the
community
meetings.
Herod's
assured
them
that
those
are
that's
a
marketing
tactic
that
is
often
used
and
one
that
they
use
continuously
to
generate
phone
calls.
So
because
that
gives
them
an
indication
of
demand.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
you'd
mentioned
that
an
rfp
wasn't
needed
and
wasn't
posted
for
the
landings.
So
without
that
being
done,
though,
it's
it's
hard
to
say
how
do
we
know
this
is
the
best
development
for
this
space.
If
an
rfp
isn't
put
out.
G
Sure
it's
a
great
question
so,
as
I
said,
we
had
no
less
than
10
departments
involved
in
this,
including
the
city
manager's
office
and
city
attorney's
office,
and
I'm
talking
to
the
very
first
meeting,
so
multiple
departments
involved
in
this.
Certainly
I
I
do
not
operate
in
a
vacuum
and,
as
I
said,
the
city
attorney
determined
that
an
rfp
was
not
required.
G
The
due
diligence
that
we
did
on
the
developer.
What
makes
this
developer
so
interesting
for
the
city
of
clearwater?
Is
that
not
only
are
they
a
developer
but
they're
an
owner
operator?
They
they
build
and
hold
for
the
long
term,
and
we
talked
about
it
at
length.
That
in
fact
would
be
a
significant
requirement
that
we
would
be
interested
in
in
developing
that
we
wanted
somebody
that
would
be
vested
in
the
project.
G
The
recommendation
out
of
the
city
attorney's
office
was
that
we
could
move
forward
with
our
due
diligence
and
feasibility
analysis,
so
we
did
without
the
rfp,
and
we
also
did.
I
have
a
subject
matter:
expert
on
staff,
a
former
developer,
a
reformed
developer
as
I
like
to
call
him,
and
he
did
an
analysis
of.
G
I
believe
it
included
five
counties,
five
county
wide
of
industrial
parks
and
provided
an
opinion
of
value
that
the
city
of
clearwater
is
getting
an
exceptional
value.
On
the
lease
rate
of
this,
it's
beyond
high
value.
It's
considered
exceptional
in
terms
of
the
lease
rate,
so
the
city
has
negotiated
a
very
good
deal
for
the
citizens.
A
G
You
know
so
there's
been
certainly
a
lot
of
discussion
about
green
print
and-
and
I
understand
that,
obviously,
that
there
should
be
discussions
about
green
print
and
I
certainly
don't
wish
to
speak
for
sheridan
or
others
who
preceded
sheridan
that
were
involved
in
the
writing
of
greenprint.
G
However,
the
review
that
I
had
of
greenprint
does
not
find
this
in
conflict
with
the
plan
so
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that
the
economic
issues
identified
in
greenprint
provide
the
following.
So
it
says
the
lack
of
vacant
land
resulting
in
reliance
on
the
renovation
of
existing
building
stock
and
redevelopment
to
house
future
residents
and
economic
activity.
G
Increased
rates
of
building
obsolescence
due
to
rapid
growth
over
past
decades,
using
building
systems
and
technologies
with
relatively
short,
useful
lives
and
high
need
for
ongoing
maintenance
and
or
other
high
operating
costs
and
the
potential
for
a
long-term
decline
in
the
retiree
immigration
rate
and
retiree
population
with
less
fixed
and
disposable
income
that
generate
that.
Excuse
me,
income.
G
Then
generations
passed
the
need
to
attract
young
or
otherwise
new
workers
to
the
city
to
live
and
work
and
competing
with
other
united
states
and
international
cities
to
attract
new
jobs,
including
green
jobs
and
sustainability,
is
a
balance
between
the
environment,
economy
and
community.
So
those
are
all
statements
within
the
green
print
that
I
believe
specifically
indicate
that
this
project
is
not
in
fact
in
conflict
with
greenprint.
G
What
we
do
hope
we
achieve
with
this
project
is
that
manufacturers,
in
other
areas
of
clearwater
likely
hercules
industrial
area
right,
will
locate
to
this
class
a
space
and
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
redevelop
these
other
sites
or
make
facility
improvements.
That
brings
them
up
to
today's
standards,
including
sustainability
standards.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
you
burying
with
me
and
everyone
else
on
the
board.
I'm
going
to
open
this
up
to
anyone
in
council
chambers
who
wish
to
speak
to
this
item.
If
so,
please
step
to
the
podium
and
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
Each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
I
J
Sorry
all
right,
hi,
I'm
glenna
wentworth
and
I'm
resident
of
clearwater.
I
attend
most
of
eab
meetings
as
the
sierra
club,
sunco
sierra
club
liaison.
So
I'm
glad
to
see
you
all
again,
I'm
glad
to
be
back.
I
just
want
to
read
an
op-ed
that
is
on
the
referendum
on
the
november
ballot
for
the
landings
golf
course
it
has
been
signed
off
on
by
three
organizations,
including
the
sunco
sierra
club,
the
north
pinellas
league
of
women's
voters
and
the
clearwater
neighborhood
coalition.
J
There
were
limited
opportunities
for
public
input
before
the
city
council
voted
to
move
this
project
forward
to
referendum.
There
has
been
insufficient
study
of
traffic
noise
and
the
environmental
impact
of
industrial
redevelopment
here.
Further,
the
projected
jobs
and
corresponding
salaries
provided
as
rationale
for
this
project
are
speculative
and
arguable.
J
J
The
neighborhoods
reached
out
to
clearwater
neighborhoods
coalition,
north
pinellas
league
of
women
voters
and
the
sunco
sierra
club,
the
clearwater
neighborhoods
coalition
sponsored
a
webinar
and
invited
the
developer
to
an
open
meeting
to
present
the
project
and
respond
to
questions
by
community.
The
three
organizations
did
each
did
additional
separate
analysis.
Each
group
drew
the
same
conclusion.
J
J
No
other
community
needs
such
as
housing
park,
space
or
athletic
fields
appear
to
have
been
con
considered
by
the
city
council.
The
league
of
women
voters
study
in
fact
discovered
a
previously
identified
shortage
of
multi-purpose
playing
fields
in
the
2013
parks
and
rec
master
plan,
update,
which
would
be
ideal
on
this
parcel
and
even
for
commercial
reuse.
The
city
did
not
open
this
process
to
competitive
bids
or
any
public
requests
for
proposal.
J
K
K
The
conclusion
was
that
there
is
considerable
evidence,
considerable
evidence
to
warrant
opposing
passage
of
the
upcoming
referendum.
We
believe
the
planning
process
was
flawed
and
that
the
residents,
taxpayers
and
other
stakeholders
just
deserve
and
require
a
rigorous
and
comprehensive
approach
to
achieve
the
optimal
long-term
land
use
of
the
municipally
owned
property.
K
We
found
from
public
requests
that
alternative
requests
alternative
uses
were
not
considered
because
the
economic
development
plan
called
for
conversion
at
this
location.
A
careful
review
of
the
printed
economic
development
plan
document
calls
for
investigation
of
the
long-term
feasibility
of
converting
to
industrial
use.
K
K
Nor
did
the
council
look
at
the
existing
need
for
multi-purpose
sports
facilities,
as
documented
in
2000
parks
and
met
wreck
master
plan,
but
a
similar
shortcut
process,
along
with
other
well-funded
advertising
campaign,
could
virtually
convert
other
open
space
recreation
facilities
to
revenue
producing
facilities,
no
matter
with
the
results
of
the
referendum.
Any
council,
designation
of
open
space
recreation
should
follow
the
normal
process,
which
looks
at
multiple
generations
of
needs
for
the
city.
Thank
you.
F
Item
hi,
I
just
wanted
lisa
lanza.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
granicus
is
showing
sorry.
This
site
page
is
currently
unavailable,
so
anyone
who's
trying
to
watch
it
on
granite
go
to
the
city
website
will
not
be
able
to.
I
also
checked
facebook
and
I
didn't
find
it
showing
there
and
it's
also
not
showing
on
youtube.
So
anybody
who
is
interested
in
calling
in
may
be
having
a
difficult
time
since
I
can't
watch
the
the
committee
meeting.
F
A
F
I
just
want
to
say
that
that
means
that
people
cannot
are
people
able
to
comment
through
e-comments.
A
I
My
name
is
christine
chris
michalek.
I
do
not
live
near
the
landings
I
actually
live
on
the
beach
on
clearwater.
E
I
Thank
you,
each
of
you
on
the
board.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
yesterday.
I
sent
an
email
through
sarah
kessler
to
all
to
each
of
you
sharing
an
op-ed.
Thank
you.
I
see
han
your
head
that
you
read
it.
Thank
you.
I
I
appreciate
that
you
read
it,
so
I'm
not
going
to
I'm
not
going
to
expound
on
that
letter
because
you
received
it,
and
you
know
that
my
outfit
talked
about
why
I
think
we
should
be
voting
no
on
the
referendum,
but
I
would
like
to
only
say
one
thing
at
one
point:
in
my
life
I
was
I
worked
in
washington
on
several
different
committees,
and
I
every
day
I
learned
a
new
word
from
the
washington
post.
One
of
my
favorite
words
was
egregious.
I
What
is
egregious
here
is
that
the
community
was
not
aware
that
this
was
happening
until
may.
What
is
egregious
here
that
you,
who
are
our
representatives,
along
with
other
advisory
committees,
were
never
given
the
opportunity
to
speak.
What
is
egregious
is
we
are
20
days
into
the
voting.
Many
people
have
absolutely
no
idea
what
is
happening
and
they
haven't
you
haven't
given
us
the
opportunity,
not
you
personally,
I
mean
do
not
meet
the
environmental
advisory
board.
I
mean
our
civil
servants
and
those
who
voted
to
pass
this
referendum.
I
So
I
ask
you
to
consider
the
fact
that
it
is
too
little
too
late
to
be
having
this
meeting
and
that
we
should
be
moving
forward
to
inspire
people
and
to
educate
them
about
why
this
is
a
bad
reason
why
we
should
not
be
turning
this
wonderful,
green
space
into
concrete
and
industrial
light
industrial.
Thank
you.
L
Let's
take
about
three
months
to
read:
it's
from
michael
angelman,
2958
deer
run
south.
We
are
all
aware
of
the
effects
of
cobit
19.
So
enough
said
about
that
here.
Given
the
new
working
conditions,
many
people
are
adapting
to
whereby
they're
working
from
home,
not
their
usual
office
space
and
the
fact
that
much
of
these
new
working
situations
will
become
standard
practice
in
the
near
future.
L
It
would
seem
wise
to
take
a
wait-and-see
attitude
relative
to
developing
the
landings
as
a
location
to
build
new
facilities
under
the
auspices
of
needing
more
of
this
kind
of
space
that
may
not
ever
be
needed.
There
will
be
a
plethora
of
existing
developed
properties
that
will
become
available
as
a
need
for
their
current
occupants
to
work
out
of
a
dedicated
office.
L
There
have
been
way
too
many
previous
examples
where
the
best
laid
plans
of
developers
and
the
dreams
of
economic
development
departments
have
gone
awry
due
to
unforeseen
or
unplanned
economic
developments,
resulting
in
their
ultimate
failure,
leaving
unfinished
or
unoccupied
facilities
in
their
wake.
The
current
situation,
on
the
other
hand,
certainly
cannot
be
considered
an
unforeseen
situation.
L
L
M
F
A
Thank
you
very
much
so,
okay,
this
is
a
discussion,
only
item
and
there's
no
motion
required.
Thank
you
again,
denise
for
coming
and
presenting
and
taking
the
time
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
item.
A
Let's
discuss
our
letter
to
city
council
about
the
environmental
advisory
board's
stance
on
the
landings
referendum.
This
is
a
discussion
for
all
board
members.
I
will
say
we
have
had
a
robust
discussion
to
this
point
about
this
issue,
not
specifically
to
our
letter,
but
regarding
the
landings
itself.
So
I
I
know
that
we
have
had
maybe
some
differences
of
opinion
about
some
of
parts
of
the
letter
and
I
think
some
parts
of
the
letter
may
not
need
to
be
in
there.
A
I
just
wanted
to
I
kind
of
crafted
it
in
a
way
to
kind
of
start
our
discussion
at
a
point,
and
hopefully
you
know
we
can
make
some
amendments
some
other
edits
to
it
and
and
send
it
along
to
city
council
for
them
to
read
into
the
record.
But
that's
that's
where
I
was
with
that:
we'll
open
it
up
to
discussion
to
to
the
board.
B
Mark
jared
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
letter
with
a
couple
of
comments.
There's
a
paragraph
in
here.
That
starts
with
not
to
ignore
economics,
and
I
think.
A
And
that's
the
part
I
was
I
just
was
alluding
to
that
might
need
to
just
be
removed.
I
I
just
put
that
in
there,
as
that
would
be.
B
Part
of
my
motion
is
to
remove
that
and
second
in
the
one
of
the
final
paragraphs,
I
guess
it's
the
third
from
the
last
talk
about
it
being
changed
to
a
passive
park.
I
don't
think
we
should
be
so
specific,
I
think,
convert
it
to
open
space,
some
recreational
use
and
potentially
even
urban
agriculture.
B
Something
of
that
nature
would
be
my
recommendation,
otherwise
I
think
it's
to
the
point,
there's
so
much
more.
That
could
be
said,
but
I
think
brevity
you
know
is
appropriate
in
this
matter.
L
C
Okay,
so
my
question
to
all
of
you
is
with
your
second
sentence:
you
make
a
comment
that
we,
the
eab,
got
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
with
just
a
few
weeks
before
the
plan
goes
to
the
voters,
that's
a
very
straightforward
sentence.
Do
we
want
to
include
any
wording
that
says
to
some
of
the
detective?
Unfortunately,
the
ab
only
got
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
it.
After
was
already
on
the
referendum
afterwards
or
already
out
to
the
voters.
A
I
I
don't,
I
don't
feel
that's
necessary.
I
think
that
it
speaks
for
itself,
the
the
words
themselves.
It
doesn't
need
the
more
charged
language,
that's
how
I
see
using
additional
wording
and
like
that,
but
I'm
open
to
any
changes.
I
just
I
didn't
specifically.
I
may
have
had
something
like
that
before
and
removed
it
because
it
tried
to,
like
I
said,
just
try
to
be
very
straightforward
in
the
in
the
language
we
use
or
that
I
tried
to
use
for
this.
So.
A
I
think
that's
a
separate
issue
that
we're
talking
about
later
on
in
the
meeting
as
well
and
something
that
we've
talked
about
in
the
in
the
past
at
meetings
as
far
as
when,
when
it's,
when
it's
appropriate
to
come
before
the
board
or
things
like
that.
But
I
think
we're
just
trying
to
to
talk
about
whether
you
know
our
stance
as
an
environmental
advisory
board
for
or
against
this
particular
project.
C
A
D
My
only
comment
was
that
I
don't
necessarily
feel
that
we
we
need
a
letter
to
the
city.
I
I
think
we're
we're
at
the
point
where
we
can
trust
the
voters
to
make
a
decision
and
then
provide
some
advisement
after
the
fact
I
I
I'm
not
really
seeing
the
point
of
this
letter
is
where
I
stand
on
this
other
than
you
know.
D
A
Okay,
I
appreciate
that.
Well,
we
we
are
the
environmental
advisory
board
and
we
do
serve.
You
know
as
a
conduit
for
the
citizens
to
the
city
council,
and
so
our
role
in
objective
as
environmental
advisory
board
should
be
to
give
input
to
city
leaders
and
staff
on
on
issues
that
affect
the
environment,
and
we
don't
there's
not
a
lot
of
mechanisms
to
to
let
city,
council
or
other
leaders
know
aside
from
writing
a
letter,
so
it
might
not
seem
like
it's
an
effective
use
or
an
effective
tool.
A
But
that's
what
we're
able
to
do
in
the
process
that
we
have
available
to
us.
D
Right,
I
understand-
I,
I
think
it's
more
of
the
fact
that
we're
not
offering
an
alternative
in
this
in
this
letter.
That
is
why
I'm
not
as
much
a
supporter
of
it.
D
To
me,
that's
another
language,
we're
saying
vacant
lot.
You
know
if
you
said
the
alternative
was
a
a
disc
golf
course.
For
example,
pardon
me
for
injecting
my
my
my
passion,
but
if
that
was
a
suggested,
alternative
or
baseball
fields,
or
that
was
a
suggested
alternative,
but
the
language
here
to
me
is
is
not.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
oversteps
what
our
role
is,
though,
to
to
to
define
exactly
what
we
would
want
to
see
out
there
versus
generally
saying
how
we
would
prefer,
as
a
again
from
a
mindset
of
environmental
advisory
board,
that
we
want
to
see
it
just
the
general
use
as
open,
open
recreation
space
rather
than,
and
so
it
could
include,
like
you
said,
a
golf,
a
disc
golf
course,
or
some
other
you
know
asset
to
be
determined
later,
but
I
think
it's
better
to
be
more
general
in
what
we
would
want
to
see
there
generally
rather
than
industrial
light
use,
because
we're
not
getting
you
know,
there's
buildings
and
a
plan,
but
it's
just.
A
The
idea
is
to
change
it
from
open
space,
recreation
to
light
industrial
use,
and-
and
so
you
know
from
from
that
aspect-
that's
that's
again.
Why
didn't
go
into
extreme
specifics
about
what
we
would
prefer
to
see
there,
but
knowing
that
it's
not
going
to
remain
a
golf
course,
regardless
of
the
referendum,
we
should
at
least
weigh
in
and
say
what
we
would
want
to
see
out
there
and
I
think,
from
an
environmental
perspective.
A
We
would
prefer
to
see
it
as
as
a
as
a
recreation
open
space,
and
then
you
know
like
it's
like
we've
said
on
on
before
there's
there's
other
things
that
can
maybe
it's
a
mix
of
multiple
community
assets
like
gardens,
golf
disc,
golf
course
or
whatever
else
it
may
be.
You
know
further
determined
the
needs
are
other
fields
or
or
whatever,
but
again
that's
more
parks
and
rec
advisory
board
or
or
other
other.
You
know
other.
A
What
our
purview
is
and
and
making
it
more,
you
know
going
from
general
to
more
specific.
I
don't
think
serves
what
we're
trying
to
what
we're
trying
to
express.
That's
my
opinion,
yeah.
I.
A
So
well
with
that
being
said,
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
more
changes
or
or
anything
else
that
we'd
want
to
to
say
or
do
to
the
letter
we
we
had
a
motion
that
died.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
would
want
to
make
another
motion
or.
M
A
C
E
A
Oh,
I
apologize.
Oh
sorry!
Yes,
yes,
sorry!
Yes,
can
we
take
questions
or
comments
from
anyone
in
the
council
to
speak
to
this
item?
I
apologize.
K
Mr
chairman,
bill
johnson,
I
think
it'd
be
appropriate
for
you
at
least
to
consider
the
environmental
impact
of
of
water
usage
here.
The
question
is:
why
wasn't
reclaimed
water
provided
to
this
facility?
No
matter
whether
it's
a
sports
facility
or
a
golf
course
we're
trying
to
get
rid
of
reclaimed
water
right
now,
we're
just
dumping
it
into
tampa
bay.
I
think
it
might
be
something
that
you
could
consider
offering,
especially
with
the
wording
of
your
motion
or
your
letter
to
to
continue
open
space.
Thank
you.
L
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right
and
then
I
guess
to
backtrack
here.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve.
D
Pardon
me,
nay,.
A
Okay
and
I
vote
I
so
the
motion
carries
three
to
one
right
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
our
discussion
and
I
will
say
too,
to
bill
johnson's
comment.
I
I
am
curious
and
maybe
that's
something
we
can
take
up
at
a
future
meeting
the
role
of
reclaimed
water
at
in
city
facilities.
I
think
that
is
very
interesting
to
to
discuss
at
some
point
at
our
meeting.
A
I
guess
next
year
and
we'll
have
to
just
we'll
discuss
that
later
at
this
meeting,
if
we
can
make
it
through
the
rest
of
the
agenda
here.
So
here
we
are
item
4.3.
We
discussed
a
draft
resolution
about
a
formal
process
for
the
city
council
to
give
and
receive
input
from
advisory
boards.
Oh
sorry,
yes,
sarah
do
we.
H
I,
given
the
time
yeah.
E
H
Wondered
if
you
wanted
to
switch
items
to
talk
about
what
you
wanted,
like
the
december
presentation
to
the
council,
given
that
you
have
20
minutes
left
so
just.
A
Yeah
my
hope
for
the
discussion
for
the
presentation
would
be
discussing
this
resolution
at
the
at
the
meeting
and
our
letter.
We
didn't
have
a
lot
that
we
were
able
to
do
this
year
because
we've
only
met.
This
is
our
second
time,
so
you
know
getting
a
having
a
a
a
a
discussion
or
getting
some
type
of
movement
on
this
resolution.
A
At
least,
I
think,
is
important
and
bears
into
our
the
next
phase
of
the
agenda
in
terms
of
what
we
want
to
talk
about
in
december
to
city
council.
I
don't
know
if
everyone
else
agrees
or
not.
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
are
there
any
yeah?
I
think
you
guys
all
saw
the
resolution
we,
I
think
we
briefly
touched
on
this
as
well
during
the
presentation
from
denise
as
far
as
the
role
of
advisory
boards
in
the
process
of
specifically
with
the
landings,
I
think,
during
our
course
of
serving
on
this
board,
we've
seen
other
projects
that
you
know
it
just
it's
not.
A
This
hasn't
come
up
specifically
because
of
one
project
or
another,
but
because
of
things
that
we've
seen
throughout
the
time
we've
been
on
the
board
and
wanting
to
be
able
to
adequately
provide
input
that
we
get
from
volunteers
and
the
members
who
who
serve
on
the
board
and
those
who
come
and
visit
us
quarterly
for
our
meetings.
So
with
that
I'll
open
up
the
discussion
to
everyone
here,.
C
I
just
have
a
quick
question
about
that
in
in
the
last
sentence,
where
you
say
that
includes
advisory
board
input
as
part
of
the
approval
process
before
it
goes
to
council.
My
question
is:
is
that
specific
enough,
well
that
if
they
approve
this,
just
saying
that
part
of
the
approval
process
before
it
goes
to
council
doesn't
really
put
it
in
any
particular
time
frame?
I
know
I've
heard
30
to
60
percent
talked
about,
but
is
that
too
general?
Will
that
enable
or
do
we
need
to
be
more
specific.
A
Okay,
I'll
briefly
talk
on
this
and
sarah
might
have
to
add
a
little
bit
more
too.
We
previously
had
talked
about
having
projects
just
come
before
our
board
and
that
being
the
60
plan
phase
on
those
projects,
and
I
felt
that
that
was
since
it
was
something
we
had
previously
discussed.
That
was
okay
to
put
that
in.
A
At
the
same
time,
this
resolution
is
really
a
framework
for
hopefully
a
discussion
that
it
sounds
like
city
council
is
also
planning
to
have,
and
so
hopefully
that
time
frame
is
more
clarified
between
their
discussion.
I
we
can
try
to
clarify
it,
but
I
think
ultimately,
it'll
be
up
to
what
city
council
would
decide
but,
like
we
said,
we
said
60
plan
phase
for
generally
speaking,.
C
A
Okay,
and
do
you
have
a
suggestion
on
what
the
time
frame
should
be?
I.
B
B
A
lot
of
the
design
is
done
and
major
decisions
have
been
made
in
terms
of
layout
how
a
piece
of
land
is
going
to
be
used
or
environmental
issues
are
going
to
be
addressed,
but
I
think
the
project,
proponent
and
the
designers
would
benefit
more
from
our
input
or
earlier
in
the
process
than
later
and
with
less
pain
for
everyone.
G
H
So
the
like
30
plans
and
john,
I
know
you're
very
accustomed
to
reading
plan
sets
like
you,
you
know,
plan
sets,
and
so
you
would
probably
have
no
problem
reading
a
30
plan
set,
but
for
an
average
person
looking
at
plan
sets
like
they
need
a
lot
more
detail
in
it
than
probably
what
30
is.
I
I
think
I
think
60
is
probably
a
better
time
for
most
people
to
look
at
them
at
60.
We
can
still
make
changes
to
the
project
it's
not
set
in
stone.
H
I
I
personally
think
60
is
a
more
appropriate
number,
but
I
will,
if
you
guys,
want
30.
That's
fine.
D
No
based
on
what
sarah
said
there,
I
you
know,
I
too
would
would
like
a
more
detailed
plan
set
going
into
a
decision
and
when
we're
talking,
sixty
percent
we're
not
talking
like
the
grounds
broke,
we're
just
talking
about
plans
right.
So
you
know
that
that
that
seems
to
me
like
more,
would
be
on
paper
and
we'd
have
a
better
idea.
What's
going
on
at
that
point,
you
know,
and
I
like
that
as
well.
B
A
All
right
yeah,
I'm
I'm
open,
like
I
said,
I'm
open
to
changes
and
it's
something
that
we're
presenting
to
council
and
if
they
feel
that,
that's
something
that
that's
a
discrepancy
for
them
too,
that
they
can
maybe
have
the
final
authority
on
on
that
at
that
time.
So
you
know
I'm
I
I
I
put
60
in
there
based
on,
like
I
said,
our
previous
discussions
and
and
with
what
sarah
had
said.
If
you
know
you
guys
want
to
change
that,
we
can.
A
You
know,
like
I
said,
open,
that
up
for
change,
but
yeah
is
there
anything
else
that
you
guys
see
on
there
for
a
point
of
discussion.
B
A
H
So
I
I'm
I
like
that.
You
guys
want
to
be
involved,
but
I
think
and
you're
again
more
than
welcome
to
request,
but
by
reviewing
it
multiple
times
by
having
your
group
review
it
multiple
times,
you're
slowing
down
a
project
and
that
will
be
reviewed
negatively
overall,
and
so
I
think
you
would
be
in
your
best
interest
say
which,
which
set
of
plans
you're
going
to
review
and
then
become
involved
in
the
public
meetings
and
whatever
else.
If
there's
additional
things
you
want
to
do,
I
think
that's
probably
the
best
approach.
H
I
I
think
overall
sitting
city
management
in
the
council
is
not
going
to
look
favorably
on
slowing
a
project
down
based
on
reviews,
so
I
know
you
guys
currently
meet
quarterly,
and
so
we
would
try
to
keep
that
schedule
if
there
were
certain
times
where
you
had
to
meet
to
look
at
plans
like,
maybe
we
could
change
our
meetings.
H
I
don't
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
that,
like
that's
future
future
plans,
but
I
I
mean
I
know
like
we
don't
want
to
slow
down
a
project
just
because
you're
not
meeting
for
another
three.
You
know
another.
H
Two
months,
and
so
I
would
say
the
best,
the
best
thing
is
make
your
best
case
for
the
the
time
that
you
want
to
meet
the
time
you
want
to
to
see
those
plans
make
your
case
of
how
extensive
you
want
to
review
them
and
and
make
that
case,
as
opposed
to
multiple
reviews
of
a
project.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
sarah.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
slow
down
the
process
at
all.
I
just
think
we
want
to
be
part
of
the
process,
so
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is
clearly
delineated,
that
we
had
no
in
no
way
want
to
slow
down
the
the
process,
but
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
active
members
and
and
part
of
the
process.
So
I
understand
that
being
a
concern.
C
B
I
concur
with
the
30
percent
and
I
think
it's
60.
It's
really
the
staff
getting
into
the
real
details
and
I
might
be
the
only
one
who's
had
experience
in
reviewing
psych
plans
in
civil
engineering
and
landscape
architectural
drawings.
A
Certainly
all
right,
let
me
see
here-
was
there
any
more
discussion
on
this.
I.
D
D
I
might
say
let's
wait
longer,
but
he
does
make
a
fine
point
that
you
know
he's
experienced
in
this
and
we
do
have
him
and
and
and
and
that
does
help
where
we
could
review
it
earlier
and
just
you
know,
we're
just
gonna
go
one
time
and
we
have
somebody
like
that
on
our
side.
Then
I
can
agree
with
30
percent.
If
you
look
at
it
that
way,.
A
Okay,
very
well,
is
there
any
more
discussion
or
comment
on
this
from
the
board.
A
I'm
gonna
open
this
up
to
anyone
in
council
chambers
who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item.
If
so,
please
step
to
the.
A
M
My
name
is
brian
beckman.
I
live
in
clearwater.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
drafting
and
proposing
this
resolution
as
a
volunteer
and
leader
with
the
suncoast
sierra
group.
It's
exciting
and
inspiring
to
see
this
topic
being
proposed.
Our
environment
is
such
an
important
part
of
our
daily
lives.
The
air
we
breathe,
the
water
that
surrounds
us,
the
plants
and
wildlife
that
we
enjoy
when
we
step
outside
our
environment,
is
at
the
center
of
what
attracts
many
of
us
to
live
in
clearwater.
M
M
It
provides
the
opportunity
for
residents
to
engage
with
city
staff
on
important
environmental
topics
that
impact
residents
when
projects
that
have
a
sizable
impact
on
our
environment,
proceed
without
any
opportunity
to
review,
to
ask
questions
or
to
offer
input
before
decisions
are
made.
It
diminishes
the
value
of
this
advisory
board
and
therefore
greatly
limits
the
ability
of
residents
to
provide
input
on
projects
from
an
environmental
perspective,
so
proposing
proposing
a
resolution
that
helps
ensure
this
advisory
board
is
part
of
the
process
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
A
Are
there
any
more?
Is
there
any
other
discussion
or
anyone
else
that
wishes
to
speak
to
this
item.
A
Yes,
certainly
if
there's
I
I
will
say
I
was
about
to
say
that
is
something
that
I
was
going
to
discuss
at
the
end
of
this
meeting,
wanting
to
have
a
state
of
sustainability,
discussion
or
time
when
sheridan
can
come
in
and
give
us
updates
at
a
certain
time
and
and
anyway,
but
sustained
to
this
item.
If
there
is
no
one
else
in
the
council
chambers
who
wish
to
make
a
comment,
we'll
move
on.
A
Your
friends
all
right,
may
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
resolution.
A
All
right,
I
will
now
ask
the
board
individually
to
vote
on
this
item.
Vice
chair,
thomas.
B
A
A
All
right-
and
our
next
item
is
discuss
the
annual
december
eab
presentation
to
city
council,
and
this
is
a
discussion
for
all
board
members,
and
I
I
guess
you
know
our
meeting-
has
very
well
dovetailed
each
item
into
the
next
item
and
I
think
this
is
the
same
thing
here.
We've
just
passed
our
resolution
to
city
council.
I
think
our
presentation
to
city
council
should
be
essentially
a
lobbying
effort
to
make
sure
that
they
pass
the
referendum
before
the
end
of
this
the
year
at
the
at
that
during
that
presentation.
A
So
that's.
B
A
I
would
like
to
you
know:
that's
the
goal
that
I
would
like
to
have
for
the
presentation
to
city
council,
I'm
open
to
other
discussions
or
other
items
that
we
can
include,
and
you
know
this
is
all
of
our
board.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
has
their.
You
know
anything
that
they
would
like
to
have
discussed
or,
however,
we'd
like
to
go
about
it.
So
opening
up
for
the
board
to
discuss.
D
Well,
the
only
thing
I
was
saying
is
that
I
wish
we
had
more
to
present
having
the
whole
year
off.
I
I
I
I
we're
not
gonna
have
much
to
to
go
on,
except
for
what
we
just
talked
about
today.
That's
that's
all
I
had
to
say.
A
C
A
It
was
very
light,
so
so
it's
gonna,
so
we
can
also,
if
there's
other
things,
that
again
objectives
or
goals
moving
forward
that
we'd
like
to
present
to
council
and
let
them
know
about.
We
can
also
do
that
at
that
time
as
well.
It's
usually
a
good
opportunity
at
that
time,
I'll
write
up
what
I
will
say
and
I
send
it
out
to
everybody
before
we
before
I
speak
so
we'll
have
an
idea
of
that.
A
It's
representative
of
our
board
and
everyone
on
it
and
I
always
accept
edits
and
changes
so
that
it
is
inclusive
to
all
of
what
we
have
to
say
so.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
at
this
time,
if
there's
anything
that
anyone
has
an
idea
of
that,
I
should
make
sure
to
include
that.
I
do
that
and
I'll
make
sure
to
discuss
green
print
and
and
the
objectives
and
restarting
that
process
as
well.
John.
D
Well,
one
of
the
things
we've
discussed
in
january
that
I
was
the
program
I
was
going
to
do
with
the
schools
as
far
as
trash
cleanup
and,
of
course,
that
following
month
everything
went
crazy
and
there
was
no
way
of
getting
everybody
together
in
school.
So
if
you
wanted
to
talk
about
that
as
an
objective
for
next
year,
I
would
like
to
re
examine
that
discussion
in
january's
meeting
okay.
D
You
know
I
did
make
several
phone
calls
back
then,
and
everybody
was
on
board
and
of
course
it
must
have
been
a
week
after
my
call
to
ruth
eckert
hall,
where
the
shutdowns
began
so
sure.
I
would
like
to
mention
that
that
is
a
a
program
that
I
would
like
to
revisit
next
year
with
schools.
A
C
A
Yeah,
that's
you
know.
Last
year
the
our
goal
was
to
get
our
resolution
passed
and
we've
had
difficulties
with
that
this
year,
without
having
without
not
being
able
to
meet
so
it
kind
of
hamstrings.
A
Are
our
presentation
now
a
little
bit
so
and
puts
us
a
little
bit
behind
where
maybe
we
would
like
to
be
at
this
point
with
you
know
in
in
in
processes
but
yeah,
I
I
I'm
not
sure
what
other
goals
we'd
want
to
set
right
now
without
achieving
our
this
one
first,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
we
want
to
talk
about
in
january,
other
goals
for
our
for
2021,
for
the
board
at
that
time,
would
that
be
appropriate
or.
A
C
A
That's
what
yeah
that's
what
we're
asking
now
is
that
the
presentation
right
now
is
going
to
be.
Basically,
you
know
our
the
res,
the
asking
them
and
ensuring
that
the
process
for
the
resolution
and
formalizing
a
process
for
advisory
board
input
and
updating
you
know
and
letting
them
know
about
what
we
you
know
our
work
getting
green
print
reinvigorated
at
this
point,
so
you
know
we
can
mention,
because
this
is
what
I
was
going
to
bring
up
in
in
and
new
business
or
whatever
would
be
the
like.
A
I
said
a
state
of
sustainability
presentation
to
our
our
board,
so
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be.
You
know,
I
I
think
I
I
like.
We've
had
one
we
had
one
in
it
was
july,
2019
sheridan
came
to
our
board
and
presented
where
she
was
or
where
she
was
going
to
be
at
that
point.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
july
of
2021
would
be
an
appropriate
meeting
to
you
know
schedule
that
or
if
it
should
be
an
annual
in
our
january
meeting,
have
a
state
of
sustainability
and
and
where
the
city
is
in
terms
of
meeting
its
goals
and
and
where
the
goals
have
maybe
changed
over
the
course
of
time.
So
you
know,
like
I
said,
that's
if
that's
something
we
want
to
do.
A
B
A
B
I
think
that'd
be
very
helpful
for
us
to
know
you
know
where
things
are
headed
and
might
identify.
You
know
some
other
projects
that
personally
can
get
involved
with.
You
know,
aligned
with
our
interests.
A
Okay,
so
a
quarterly
essentially
a
kind
of
a
quarterly
report.
Then,
basically,
when
we
meet
that
yeah,
okay.
A
Okay,
sarah.
A
H
H
Those
are
the
two
december
council
meetings
and
then
I'm
not
sure
how
long
you
have
like
seven
minutes,
10
minutes
something
like
that.
Just
I
don't
know
yeah
it's
like
five
minutes
yeah
just
I
mean
you've
done
it
before.
You
know
it's
like
quick
summary
of
what
you've
done.
What
you're
looking
forward
to
doing
introduction
of
the
members
who
are
present
so
yeah.
A
H
I
can
I
can
send
out
an
email
and
see
which
one
you
want
I'll.
I
want
to
get
it
on
the
schedule,
though,
so
if
I
can
have
a
response,
maybe
by
the
first
part
of
next
week
but
I'll,
send
an
email
out
tomorrow
and
you
can
choose
which
one.
A
Okay
and
then
also
as
far
as
adding
a
sustainability
report
to
our
meetings
quarterly.
Is
that
something
that's
that's
possible.
A
Okay,
I
think
I
have
enough
here
and
we're
really
closing
on
time
if
we're
still
even
on
time.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
other
discussion
or
not
on
this
item-
presentation:
okay,
okay,
great
yeah:
this
are
there
any
comments
from
anyone
in
the
council
chambers
on
this
item.
A
B
I'd
had
two
questions
mostly
for
sarah.
She
can
answer
them
by
email,
for
if
we're
pressed
for
time,
she
was
going
to
explore
with
staff
the
potential
of
a
pilot
project
for
a
solar
canopy
on
one
of
the
beach
parking
lots,
and
also
my
second
one
is:
do
we
have
a
target
date
for
opening
up
of
cooper's
buyer
to
the
public.
H
Move-In
window,
okay.
So
what
so
cool
pavement
is
that
what
you
talked
about
on
the
beach?
Is
that
or
what
was.
B
It
about
a
solar
canopy
over
one
of
the
you
know
the
lots
that.
H
We
have
a
new
parking
manager
who
is
kind
of
overwhelmed
with
stuff
right
now,
but
I've
mentioned
that
to
him
and
as
soon
as
he
gets
caught
up
we're
gonna
talk
about
it
and
see
what
he
wants
to
do.
He
was
excited
about
it,
so
I
think
we
can
work
with
sheridan
and
try
to
come
up
with
something
once
he
gets
caught
up.
He
started
about
a
month
ago,
so
he
has
a.
H
He
has
a
lot
to
get
caught
up
on
and
then,
as
far
as
cooper's
point
super
exciting
had
a
meeting
with
d.o.t
last
week,
and
so
they
are
still
really
excited
to
be
partnering
with
us
right
now.
We
are
working
as
far
as
you
know,
our
big,
our
big
project
that
we're
doing
out
there.
We
are
submitting
for
permits
right
now
to
the
water
management
district
and
the
corps
of
engineers,
and
so
dot
is
helping
us
with
that.
H
So
we
anticipate,
hopefully
getting
those
submitted
to
the
agencies
before
thanksgiving,
and
then
we
will
have
hopefully
get
them
within
six
months
might
be
a
little
ambitious
with
the
core,
but
hopefully
with
dot's
push
we
can.
We
can
get
it
within
six
months
and
then
at
that
point
the
city
will
once
we
have
our
permits
in
hand.
The
city
will
go
out
for
an
rfq
refi
request
for
qualifications,
and
we
will
do
the
final
design
of
all
of
like
the
the
permit.
H
The
permits
are
only
going
to
include
the
water
circulation
and
the
water
quality
aspects,
so
the
final
design
will
include
all
of
those
recreation
aspects
that
we
talked
about
as
well,
so
yeah
we'll
have
to
modify
the
permit
and
we'll
get
that
final
design
done,
and
so
then
design
will
probably
take
a
year.
H
We've
applied
for
cooperative
funding
from
the
water
management
district,
so
we've
applied
for
15
million
from
them.
So
hopefully
we'll
get
that
money,
but
we
won't
know
for
another
year.
So
summary
it's
a
while
before
we
get
done
but
it'll
be
a
phase
construction.
So
hopefully
we'll
have.
Some
of
those
kayak
trails
done
will
probably
be
the
first
things
done
and
then
it
will
probably
be
the
boardwalks
and
the
observation
platforms
and
some
of
the
fishing
platforms
and
things
like
that
will
probably
be
towards
the
end
of
the
project.
H
But
hopefully
those
kayak
trails
will
will
be
done
within
a
year
and
a
half
or
so
as
what
I'm
guessing
right
now,
hopefully,
hopefully
yeah
so
just
to
just
to
clarify.
H
You
can't
have
access
to
cooper's
point.
If
you
want
to
go
out
there,
you
just
have
to
call
me
and
I
meet
you
out
there
and
I
open
the
gate
for
you.
So
you
can
go
out
there.
We
just
don't
allow
unfettered
access,
but
if
the
public
wants
to
go
out
there,
they
just
got
to
call
me
and
ask
so
autobahn
goes
out
there
pretty
often
there's
a
couple
school
groups
that
go
out
there
pretty
often.
A
D
Notes
that
we
were
going
to
review
some
ongoing
projects
in
april
and,
of
course,
that
kind
of
went
to
the
wayside-
I
don't
know
if
that
was
still
on
our
our
list
of
things
to
do
visiting
ongoing
projects.
H
D
Well,
I
think
at
the
time
we
were
discussing
cooper's
point,
and
that's
so
far
along
at
this
point-
that
I
don't
know
if
it's
it
is
as
important.
So
maybe
we
need
to.
Maybe
we
need
to
think
about
discussing
that
in
in
in
january
what
are
the
ongoing
projects
and
whether
or
not
there's
an
opportunity
to
actually
visit
some
of
these.
H
Okay,
yes,
I
will
look
into
that.
Let
me
write
that
down.
H
Yeah,
we
can,
I
mean,
if
you
want
to,
we
can
make
that
an
annual
thing
and
we
can
put
it
on
the
calendar.
We'll
just
have
a
a
special
meeting
if
you,
if
you
want
to
maybe
we'll
wait.
D
Honestly,
I
would
love
that
I
missed
the
last
one
being
stuck
at
work.
E
Yeah
I
got
stuck.
H
Yeah
cause,
oh,
are
we
on
to
the
directors
not
yet.
A
H
Okay,
I
have
a
several
bullet
points,
but
I'm
just
gonna
go
through
them
really
quick.
We
forgot
to
elect
officers
back
in
january
and
so
in
theory
we
should
have
done
it
at
the
next
meeting,
but
that
means
you'd
elect
two
officer
in
a
row:
skip
them
today,
we're
going
to
do
it
in
january.
H
Don't
let
me
forget
so
we
already
talked
about
the
december
council
meetings.
The
third
or
the
17th
I'll
send
out
an
email
about
that.
The
fifth
member
of
the
eab
will
be
appointed
at
the
december
17th
council
meeting
generally
you'll.
Do
your
summary
in
the
beginning
and
then
they're
appointed
in
a
discussion
at
the
end.
So
it's
not
like
you
could
coordinate
that,
like
you'd
have
to
sit
through
the
entire
meeting
to
do
that.
H
But
if
you,
if
you
want
to
sit
through
the
whole
meeting,
if
that's
the
one
you
choose,
that's
that's
fine.
I
probably
won't
so
imagine
clearwater.
I
know
you
guys
have
talked
about
this
a
million
times.
So,
as
you
know,
there
was
a
redesign.
H
We
just
got
the
new
redesign
plans
and
so
the
project
manager
has
had
our
engineer.
Do
a
video
of
the
plans
and
how
things
like
what
the
plan
set
is,
and
so
I'm
going
to
send
that
to
you
guys,
so
you
can
go
through
it.
You
can
look
at
the
plans.
You
can
do
all
of
that
stuff
and
then
I'm
going
to
see
if
cat
the
project
manager,
if
she
can
attend
in
january
and
that
way
you
guys
can
be
educated
on
what
is
in
the
plans
like
look
at
them
study
them.
H
Have
your
comments
all
of
that
stuff
for
the
january
meeting,
so
I
don't
have
that
video
yet,
but
as
soon
as
I
get
it,
I
will
pass
it
on
and
then
we
will
schedule
her
for
our
january
meeting
and
if
you
don't
want
to
wait
to
give
her
comments
like
you
can
send
your
comments
prior
to
that.
But
it
would
just
be
an
opportunity
to
to
talk
to
her
then,
and
that's
all.
I
have.
A
All
right
great,
thank
you
very
much.
Can
you
also
just
I
we
already
talked
about
this
earlier?
Send
out,
or
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
you
or
denise,
the
the
environmental
phase,
one
and
two
report
from
the
landings.
Thank
you
all
right.
That
concludes
the
scheduled
business
for
today's
meeting.
I
will
now
ask:
oh
if
any
of
the
members
have
additional
comments,
this
may
include
any
older
new
business
as
well
general
comments
for
the
public,
the
board
and
for
staff
vice
chair,
thomas
you're,
not
at
this
time.
C
A
We'll
get
we,
we
have
our
next
meeting
january
20th
at
4
pm
board
member
right.
A
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
be
very
brief.
Thank
you
for
your
service,
everyone
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
marita
nice
to
finally
get
to
see
you
here
at
our
meetings
and
thank
you,
everyone
for
joining
us
virtually
and
in
the
council
chambers
in
person
still
slightly
virtually.
I
don't
really
have
anything
else
to
say.
I
look
forward
to
speaking
to
council
about
our
what
we've
discussed
today
and
our
resolution
coming
up
before
them
and
other
than
that.
A
I
think
we've
already
gone
over
a
little
bit,
so
I'm
gonna
join
our
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone.