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A
All
right
call
our
meeting
to
order.
Thank
you
for
coming
everybody
today,
so
we
will
just
get
right
down
to
it
because,
like
I
said
I
have
a
lot
to
discuss.
Hopefully
we
can
get
to
it
all,
but
so
I
gonna
see
if
I
can
get
a
motion
to
approve
our
november
meeting
minutes.
Did
everybody
have
time
to
review
them.
A
November
3rd,
oh
november,
yes
yeah,
I
did,
I
don't
know
what
it
means.
I
picked
up
the
wrong
ones.
D
A
E
So
I'll
just
come
up
here
and
introduce
myself
to
you
guys
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
myself.
My
name
is
eric
gandy.
I
spent
the
last
30
and
a
half
years
with
clearwater
pd.
The
last
five
is
the
deputy
chief
of
operations
a
little
bit
my
history
so
early
on
in
my
career
or
actually
prior
to
my
career
in
law
enforcement.
E
I
kind
of
got
a
couple
vfr
ratings
and
used
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
flying
him.
Local
and
statewide
vfr
flights
for
aerial
photography.
So
that's
how
I
kind
of
got
familiar
with
with
you
know:
aviation.
E
I
always
thought
after
I
retired
I'd
do
something
in
either
the
marine
or
aviation
business,
and
I
find
myself
here
as
the
director
and
I'm
glad
to
be
working
with
you
guys,
and
I
look
forward
to
having
the
opportunity
for
you
to
provide
us
input
and
ask
questions
related
to
the
facilities,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
always
good
to
have
different
perspectives
on
things,
no
matter
what
position
you're
in
no
matter
what
department
you
serve.
E
I
do
recognize
that
sometimes
it's
a
challenge
of
being
on
a
board
such
as
this,
because
you
can't
communicate
amongst
each
other,
so
you're
in
silos,
and
this
is
the
dialogue
that
you're
able
to
participate
in
or
information
that
we
share
with
you.
So
you
know
my
goal
is
to
try
and
share
information
when
it's
pertinent
and
relevant.
When
I'm
able
to
do
so
and
like
I
said,
I
appreciate
it,.
A
So
I
have
one
question
for
you:
did
you
I
guess
get
filled
in
from
ed
of
like
things
that
we
had
talked
about
prior,
that
we
were
hoping
that.
E
No,
I
mean
ed
departed
before
I
arrived,
certainly
so,
there's
really
no
ability
other
than
me
watching
a
couple
older
meetings
and
reviewing
some
of
the
agendas
to
get
a
little
bit
of
a
feel
for
what's
going
on
now,
I
will
tell
you
and
I'll
talk
more
about
it
during
my
report
to
you,
but
there's
a
lot
going
on
related
to
the
air
park
that
we
can
discuss.
But
you
know
I've
got
a
perspective
being
on
the
law
enforcement
side.
E
I
was
the
one
they
called
it
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
because
the
plane
landed.
I
I
know
the
sensitivity
of
the
community,
sometimes
as
it
pertains
to
the
air
park
so
being
here
over
30
years.
I
have
some
familiarity,
as
do
I
have
familiarity
with
with
some
of
the
fbo
type
operations.
So
you
know,
hopefully
that
that
will
be
helpful
in
the
level
of
engagement,
but
you
know
kind
of
joking
with
mike,
and
you
know,
if
you
ask
me
to
regurgitate
green
print
before
you
now,
it
would
be
a
miserable
failure.
E
So
it's
those
types
of
things
that
I
think
if
we
prepare
for
them.
If
you
want
a
presentation
on
a
certain
topic,
we
certainly
like
to
prepare
for
that
and
be
able
to
answer
and
provide
cogent,
pertinent
answers
rather
than
drift
all
over
the
place
and
try
and
wing
it.
I
never
like
to
wing
it.
I
like
to
provide
you
with
facts
and
information.
Okay,.
E
So
so
I
started
in
law
enforcement
and
that
all
but
ended
my
aviation
aspirations,
as
did
my
contact,
lenses
and-
and
you
know
some
other
things,
but
no
so
I
probably
had
eight
hundred
a
thousand
vfr
hours
only
and
it
was
single
and
multi-engine,
because
those
are
a
couple
of
the
platforms
we
use
for
the
aero
photography
business
and
you
know
I
I've
got
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
different
things,
but
it's
all
vfr
very
simplistic
rudimentary.
You
have
to
have
great
weather
to
go,
fly
and
take
pictures
so
yeah.
C
E
You
know
he
had
commercial
atp
every
rating
under
the
sun.
I
just
flew
track
lines
and
just
turned
here
turned
there.
F
E
B
So,
as
you
might
suspect,
all
hangers
are
still
rented
tie
downs.
We
have
had
a
few
tie-downs
open
up.
Some
of
the
winter
visitors
went
home
and
it
was
good
because
april
and
march
were
super
busy
spring
break
sun
and
fun,
etc.
So
we
used
a
lot
of
our
open
tie,
downs
for
visitor
parking,
and
you
know
probably
the
two
busiest
months
we've
had
in
quite
a
while.
B
We
continue
to
add
airplanes
to
the
waiting
list.
Even
when
you
tell
them
it's
going
to
be
very
long,
they
still
want
to
be
added
to
the
waiting
list
so
that
continues
to
grow
other
than
that.
That's
all
I
had
to
report.
We
do
have
a
young
eagles
rally
coming
up
on
saturday.
Bruce
will
talk
more
about
that,
I'm
sure,
but
any
questions
at
all
right.
I
heard
it's
not
going
to
be
so
good
on
saturday,
we'll
see.
B
B
B
A
So
that
that's
great
to
hear
and
then
my
last
one,
we
know
everybody's
getting
hit
with
fuel
prices,
and
I
know
previously,
you
guys
have
said
you
try
to
stay
pretty
competitive.
But
I
looked
this
morning
and
in
some
cases
for
untoward
airports,
the
air
park's
up
to
almost
two
dollars
more
than
some
of
the
other.
Until.
B
Well,
we
can't
compete
with
self-service,
of
course,
because
they're
not
paying
for
a
fuel
truck
or
alignment
or
anything
like
that.
So
that's
always
been
the
case
that
if
you
find
you
have
to
look
at
you
know
you
have
to
compare
things
correctly.
So
if
it's
fuel
trucks
I
just
looked
the
other
day,
I
mean
if
it's
full
service,
we're
still
the
lowest.
I
think
there
was
one
airport
in
our
50
mile
radius
that
was
about
10
cents
lower
than
us
and
don't
forget
it
depends.
These
prices
are
so
volatile.
B
It
depends
when
you
get
your
truck.
In
I
mean
these
prices
are
changing
drastically
day
by
day.
I
just
got
a
fuel
order
in
today
and
I
guarantee
you
it's
going
up.
So
you
know
they
might
advertise
on
tv.
The
fuel's
going
down
goes
down
a
few
cents,
but
when
it
goes
up,
it's
been
going
up
when
we
got
our
jet
order.
The
last
time
it
went
up
one
dollar
from
the
previous
order,
so
we're
just
reacting
to
the
industry.
I
mean
it's
crazy.
B
A
B
A
B
B
Because
I've
been
here,
I'm
not
being
defensive,
I'm
just
telling
you
we
look
at
all
that
within
a
50
mile
radius.
But
what
you're
not
mentioning
is
saint
pete's
at
nine
dollars,
a
gallon.
You
know
so
we're
two
dollars
a
gallon
less
than
them
we're
less
than
albert
witted
we're
less
than
sarasota.
You
know
we're
less
than
all
the
airports
like
us.
A
F
B
B
You
have
a
pretty
thick
parking
lot
there,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
cars.
Is
there
any
sort
of
overflow
or
is
it
we
have
to
deal
with
the
space
we
have
and
unfortunately
the
parking
lot
has.
We
have
outgrown
the
parking
lot.
I'm
not
sure
what
you
know
if
it's
on
the
master
plan
to
change
any
of
that,
but
they
do
park
in
the
grass
over
by
civil
war
patrol
or
down
the
fence
line
right
yeah.
B
G
Or
just
following
up
on
the
fuel
issues,
do
you
see
aircraft
coming
over
to
fuel
at
at
clearwater
park?
Yes,
you
know
instead
of
getting
people
at
other
places,.
B
We
do
yeah
just
the
other
day
we
had
some
people
come
because
albert
woodard's
fuel
truck
was
broken
down,
so
we
we
have
that
too,
but
yeah,
especially
bigger
airplanes,
our
our
jet
fuel.
You
know,
if
they're
coming
to
either
saint
pete
or
clearwater.
Some
of
the
planes
that
can
come
into
our
airport
will
come
because
our
fuel
price
is
a
lot
less
than
theirs.
G
Sun
and
fun
I
just
by
accident,
ran
into
some
guys
that
are
in
the
coast
guard
discovery,
but
they're
they're,
they're,
not
boat,
guys,
they're,
airplane
guys
and
they
assist
the
coast
guard
and
aerial
searches.
G
G
I
guess
have
any
of
the
other
coast
guard
people
come
to
you
and
talked
about
that.
Maybe
setting
up
some
sort
of
auxiliary
at
the
airport.
I
know
the
civil
air
patrol
is
there,
but
I
I
didn't
know
that
this
first
time
I
run
into
guys
that
that
actually
fly
for
the
coast
guard
right.
So
I
didn't
know
whether
they.
B
B
A
A
F
A
E
Hello
eric
gandy
again,
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
a
couple
of
things
just
for
formality
purposes.
E
So
we've
got
a
council
item
coming
up
moving
through
the
process
for
the
15th,
for
an
amendment
to
the
fdot
grant
to
for
the
security
system
upgrades
so
they're
going
to
contribute
53,
000
and
we're
going
to
put
in
12
for
the
upgrades
to
the
fiber.
E
E
If
you
go
to
walmart
and
the
parking
lots
in
rough
shape,
it's
no
big
deal
if
someone
doesn't
address
it,
if
you're
in
an
air
park
and
someone's
running
up
an
engine
and
it
picks
up
a
bunch
of
gravel,
it's
a
problem.
So
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
that
and
we're
doing
the
research
and
and
studies
necessary
to
make
sure
we
address
that
as
required.
E
Certainly
we
operate
within
a
budget,
so
we
always
have
to
be
mindful
of
those
considerations,
even
with
the
contributions
from
fdot
and
generosity
of
fdot.
They've
been
very
good
to
this
airpark.
For
many
many
years,
so
that's
something
that
we
consider
is
what
their
match
potentially
would
be,
but
we
also
have
a
budget
that
we're
constrained
by
there's
some
other
items
on
there,
some
of
the
shade
hangers
and
things
like
that
and
and
we've
done
some
evaluations
there.
E
So
we're
looking
at
all
aspects
but,
like
I
said
you
know,
I
make
a
lot
of
value
judgments
based
on
a
real,
pragmatic
approach
to
safety
and
operational
readiness.
So
that's
that's
a
big
deal
to
me.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
business
or
the
business
of
of
air
parks
and
fbos.
So
you
know
I've
only
been
in
the
seat
about
a
month
and
I've
already
heard
a
lot
about.
E
E
Ultimately,
you
know
the
city's
going
to
exercise
due
diligence.
The
air
park's
currently
undergoing
an
audit
as
we
speak.
We've
also
have
a
draft
of
a
market
rate
study
for
square
footage,
leaf
space
hangar
space.
What
what
those
are
going
for
and
is?
This
is
fbo
in
line
with
kind
of
industry
standards
or
the
norm,
so
we
have
that
we're
going
through
it
we're
identifying
any
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
by
the
consultant
and
then
we'll
have
that,
and
we
will
supply
you
guys
with
that
information.
Once
it's
it's
done
review.
E
E
E
Should
we
put
it
out
in
the
field
and
get
proposals
from
interested
entities
we're
bound
to
do
that
legally
at
a
point
in
time
during
the
course
of
this,
but,
like
I
said,
we've
discussed
with
city
management
and
legal,
we're
probably
going
to
be
doing
a
lease
extension
for
a
one
year
term
with
mr
king
to
provide
the
city
time
to
do
a
thorough
evaluation
and
determine
what
the
best
strategy
is
going
forward.
So,
like
I
said,
I
told
you
earlier,
I
like
to
evaluate
things
and
make
sure
we're
doing
them
correctly.
E
So
it's
going
to
probably
take
more
time
than
we
have
to
get
an
rfp
in
the
field.
Do
the
evaluation
so
we'll
probably
end
up
having
to
extend
the
lease
for
a
period
of
one
year
and
then
moving
forward
during
the
course
of
that
year,
with
our
evaluations
and
potentially
the
rfp,
to
determine
what
the
what
what
the
interest
is
in
the
private
sector
to
do
something
of
that
nature,
and
I
suspect,
as
any
of
you,
might
having
run
it
for
many
many
years
that
mr
king
would
be
participating
in
that
rfp
process
as
well.
E
So
now
they're
doing
just
a
market
analysis,
so
they're
they're
going
around
and
comparing
this
thing
is
a
hundred
and
some
odd
pages
long
so,
like
I
said
when
it's
completed
I'll
be
able
to
share
it
with
with
all
of
you.
But
you
know
there.
There
was
a
couple
errors
that
we
picked
up
on.
They
thought
there
were
some
precision
approaches
there,
but
those
are
legacy
approaches
from
many
years
ago.
E
C
It's
a
little
early,
but
the
the
golf
course
lease
turns
out
in
about
eight
years
right.
Is
there
any
discussion
or
thought
about
expanding
the
air
park
operation
into
at
least
some
of
that
land?
Well,.
E
I
don't
know
if
you
followed
council
in
their
discussion
over
that
property
and
and
turning
it
into
a
light
industrial
there's,
no
desire
to
do
that.
So
I
I
wouldn't.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
council,
but
but
I
I
think
we
all
saw
the
temperature
of
the
community
around
that
and
they
rallied
against
the
light
industrial
in
lieu
of
the
green
space.
So
it
would
be
speculative
for
me
to
say,
but
yes,
it's
it's
been
incorporated
into.
I
guess
the.
C
The
point,
then,
is:
if
that
comes
to
fruition,
as
we
move
towards
the
end
of
that
lease
we'd
like
to
request.
I
think
that
this
board
be
one
of
the
first
to
know
about
it
or
be.
E
Eight
years
is
a
long
way
away,
and
certainly
I
I
take
note
of
that
and-
and
I
suspect
we'll
all
know
when
that
comes
to
fruition
and
because
those
discussions,
I
think,
are
going
to
be
significant
and
be
at
the
council
level.
Quite
early.
I
made.
E
So
I
think
it's
a
balancing
act
and
understanding
what
the
facility
is
and
what
it,
what
its
maximum
capacity
is
in
terms
of
the
neighborhoods
tolerance
for
that
activity.
So
it's
definitely
a
balancing
act.
You
know
it
the
air
park
in
my
view
and
listen,
it
has
some
limiting
factors
to
significant
increased
activity
and
that's
no
precision
approaches
no
crosswind
landings.
E
So
those
things
are
challenges.
Does
it
have
24-hour
operation
so
it
it
may
be
in
its
sweet
spot
already,
but
we're
going
to
evaluate
all
those
things.
A
E
No,
so
we
we
do
capital
improvement
budgeting,
so
we
recognize
in
the
future
that
we
set
some
money
aside.
What
usually
happens,
unfortunately,
is
we
we
predict
six
years
out
and
no
one
would
have
predicted
the
inflationary
environment
we're
in
right.
Now.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
guys
have
gone
to
the
grocery
store
the
gas
station
lately,
but
those
those
costs
are
there's
a
ripple
effect
throughout
the
economy.
E
A
E
That's
probably
what
he's
referring
to,
I
would
suspect
you
know,
that's
really,
that's
where
the
money
comes
from,
the
fbo
pays
us
a
lease
and
a
portion
of
the
fuel
sales.
We
take
some
of
that
money
to
cover
operating
costs
for
us
capital,
improvement
costs
and
then,
ultimately,
we
and
mike
and
ed,
did
a
good
job
of
trying
to
predict
future
expenditures
and
putting
money
aside
for
those.
So
I
suspect,
that's
exactly
what
he's
talking
about,
but
what
happens
is
when
we
and
we're
not
there
yet
with
the
shade
hangers.
E
A
E
E
You
know
that's
certainly
longer
term,
but
the
lease
will
be
shorter
term.
You
know
when
we,
when
we
go
out
to
rfp
and
get
proposals
and
see
what
the
interest
is
in
the
private
sector
when
we
do
those
things.
Certainly
your
input
is
is
valued
to
us.
E
It's
not
something
that
we
would
sit
down
with
each
of
you
in
line
item,
at
least
that's
for
sure,
but
we
would
engage
in
that
level
of
dialogue
share
a
potential,
but
some
of
those-
and
I
don't
know
the
legal
implications,
but
are
business
decisions
that
that
you
know
we
have
to
contemplate
too.
So
if
it's,
you
know
hours
of
activity,
things
of
that
that
the
board
feels
we
need
to
bring
the
council's
attention
for
council
action.
Certainly
that's
absolutely
invited.
A
Yeah,
I
think
we
were
talking
more
about
once.
You
have
your
pool
of
potential
applicants
like
just
kind
of
being
in
that
process
of
selection.
For
that
not
necessarily
helping
draft
the
the
rfp
at
all.
E
So
so
that's
sort
of
a
that's
a
strange
one,
because
it's
a
legally
specified
process.
So
you
know
I
can
investigate
that
and
see
what
involvement
the
the
board
can
have
outside
the
confines
of
this.
E
I
think
you
would
want
to
have
some
input
on
that,
but
but
certainly
we
bring
anything
like
that
to
your
attention,
but
you
know
I
have
to
work
with
with
legal
and
the
process
and
procurement
and
make
sure
we're
doing
it
correctly
and-
and
I
share
what
I
can
share
and-
and
you
know
make
sure
that
we
don't
run
afoul
of
any
sunshine
law
issues
and
things
like
that,
because,
sometimes
being
a
board
member,
you
know
it's
a
challenge
to
make
sure
that
you
know
you
want
to
provide
the
input
but,
like
I
said
at
the
beginning
of
this
you're
all
in
these
strange
silos,
because
you
sit
up
here
next
to
each
other
but
can't
cross-communicate
and
it
it
makes
it
challenging.
C
I
think
the
request
is
just
we're
an
advisory
board
and
we'd
like
the
opportunity
to
know
what's
going
on
or
what
they're
thinking
about
and
advise
as
an
advisory
board.
Well,
we
think
this
is
a
good
idea.
We
don't
think
that's
the
way.
It's
proposed,
that's
a
good
idea.
Maybe
you
could
change
a
cup.
That's
all
we're
asking
the
advisory
boards
are
not
what
they
were
when
they
were
first
founded
years
ago.
I've
served
on
them
for
30
years
in
this
city,
and
I
mean
we
meet
quarterly
right.
We
used
to
meet
monthly
here.
E
And
this
one
this
one
yeah
this
one's
very
unique
too,
because
you
know
because
of
the
let's
see
a
lease
agreement,
that's
between
the
city
and
and
then
so.
Where
does
the
board
fit
in
there
other
than
to
at
least
provide
feedback
to
the
city
and
allow
us
to
evaluate
your
concerns
and
the
concerns
of
the
constituency
that
you
represent.
G
My
whole
career
has
been
in
aviation,
both
as
a
as
senior
management
at
multiple
airports
and
and
also
a
lot
of
years
as
a
consultant
to
aviation,
and
I
still
am-
and
I
see
both
at
from
major
hub
airports
down
to
general
aviation
airports
where
sometimes
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
an
advisory
board.
G
I
I
can't
remember
now,
but
there
are
people
well
associated
with
it
like,
in
this
case
the
city
that
would
sit
as
advisory
on
selection
boards,
and
I
well
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
legal
would
say
is
possible
in
in
our
case,
and
I
understand
that,
because
it's
different
in
a
lot
of
places
and
but
I
think,
that's
again
repeating
what's
been
said-
we'd
like
to
see
if
there's
a
way
for
for
you
to
take
advantage
of
some
of
our
backgrounds
and
and
experience,
and
at
least
maybe
make
make
comment
that
could
be
valuable.
G
It's
it's
just
we'd
like
to
help
yeah.
E
And
I
certainly
appreciate
that,
and-
and
it
definitely
you
know,
I
think
it'll
take
us
time
to
learn
one
another
and
to
navigate
the
process
so
that
we
can
have
that
level
of
dialogue.
That's
meaningful,
because
you
know
when
you
talk
about
these
proposals
mike
and
I've
got
one
now
related
to
one
of
the
marinas
and
it's
a
lengthy
substantial
document
and
to
be
able
to
come
present.
Something
like
that
in
a
right
like
this
would
be
all
but
impossible.
E
So
those
are
the
challenges
like
I
said
you
know
as
soon
as
we
can
can
edit
the
the
market
rate
study,
essentially
we'll
share
it
with
you
guys.
I
mean
that's,
that's
that's
something
that
that
you
know
you
might
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
glean
something
from
it
and
provide
us
feedback.
So
those
kind
of
things
those
are
easy
to
share.
You
know
some
of
the
things
like
complaints,
things
of
that
nature.
E
We
have
hundreds
of
tenants
between
marinas
air
parks
and
the
like,
and
and
certainly
we
handle
a
lot
of
things
on
a
daily
basis
that
would
never
rise
to
the
level
of
engagement.
You
know
if
I
had
something
that
it
was
significant.
I
would
certainly
bring
it
to
your
attention,
but
I
heard
a
plane
fly
over
my
house
today,
probably
not
going
to
be
something
that
that
resonates
with
me
to
the
extent
that
I'm
going
to
bring
it
before
you.
E
We've
got
some
folks
that
complain
more
frequently
than
others.
We
have
very
few
compared
to
what
we
had
when
I
was
a
younger
police
officer
and
used
to
have
to
handle
noise
related
complaints
at
the
airport.
So
we
you
know
from
my
perspective.
You
know
it
appears.
We've
had
a
significant
reduction
in
that
type
of
thing,
so
that
that's
a
good
thing,
particularly
in
a
person
in
my
position,
because
I
have
to
answer.
D
The
question
you
know
we
all
have
bosses
yeah.
I
have
two
comments.
One
I
mike's
got
a
copy
of.
I
had
sent
him
a
letter,
just
comments
about
the
sea,
hanger
project
and
one
of
the
main
things
I
really
wanted
to
emphasize
in
that
that
we
had,
unless
I
missed
something
we
as
a
board
have
never
seen
some
of
the
the
basic
layout
of
the
hangar,
and
I
think
we
could
have
made
some
improvements.
D
D
I've
been
there
for
12
or
13
years
now,
I've
I've
got
my
ideas
and
not
necessarily
all
the
all
the
best
ideas.
I'm
sure
that
somebody
else,
but
I
know
you've
got
a
lot
of
experience
with
this
sort
of
thing
and
just
even
just
practical
little
details
and
the
other
comment
I'll
admit:
I've
got
to
ask
a
little
bit
as
a
as
a
tenant
market
rate
study
sounds
like
I'm
not
paying
enough
on
my
rent
for
the
hangar.
That's
a
very
scary
thing
to
hear
we
don't
it's.
E
Kind
of
intimidating
well,
so
we
do
those
to
to
make
sure
we're
being
equitable
and
make
sure
we're
where
we're
supposed
to
be
so.
Yes,
as
a
tenant
anytime,
you
hear
market
rate
study.
Oh
my
gosh,
I
mean
as
a
city
when
the
city
heard
you
know,
salary
studies
everyone's
like
oh,
my
gosh.
What's
that
going
to
mean
so
I,
like,
I
said
I
just
skimmed
through
it
to
look
for
any
anything
glaring
but.
H
Yeah,
the
angers
are
right,
where
they're
supposed
to
be
so.
We
did
this
three
years
ago.
As
you
all
know,
and
I'm
sorry,
the
the
rent
rates
are
right,
where
they're
supposed
to
be
mike
mcdonald
operations
manager.
So
we
did
this
same
study
three
years
ago
and
we've
we've
made
adjustments,
so
we
expected
that
we
would
be
right
on
when
we
conducted
this
study.
We're
just
doing
it
for
to
make
sure
that
every
aspect
of
you
know
from
office
ranks
to
commercial
rate
rates.
But
I
just.
E
You
know,
but
but
ultimately
to
answer
a
question:
if,
if
we
have
a
project
that
we
have
a
design
plan
and
and
the
way
these
and
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
them,
but
they
go
in
phases,
you
know
30,
design
and
so
on,
and
so
on.
Certainly
at
a
point
where
we're
relatively
certain
that
this
is
this
is
where
it's
going
and
what
it
looks
like.
It's
probably
the
appropriate
time
to
engage
and
that's
usually
at
30.
E
You
get
a
pretty
good
feel,
but
if
we
have
a
significant
you
know
design
plan
moving
forward.
We
it's
no
problem
for
for
us
to
either
use
the
consultant
to
give
you
a
presentation
or
we
can
present
it
ourselves
off
a
powerpoint.
Just
ask
make
that
ask,
but
again
just
to
forewarn
you
everything
costs
money.
So
you
know
when
you
ask
the
consultant
to
come
and
take
two
hours
out
of
their
day
and
they
bring
three
people
in
a
powerpoint
we
pay
for
that.
E
So
and
some
are,
quite
frankly,
beyond
my
ability
and
mics
are
ability
to
articulate
these
plans
ed
a
little
bit
different.
He
was
an
engineer,
so
I
think
he
he
grasped
some
of
those
things,
but
you
know,
I
think,
that's
that's
the
point
that
that
dialogue
becomes
important
if
we
have
a
plan,
a
diagram,
some
renderings
photographs,
some
things
that
kind
of
show
you
where
we're
going
and
what
the
thought
process
are.
What
happens
is
a
lot
of
times
we're
constrained
by
strange
codes.
E
E
We
end
up
with
firewalls
and
doors
and
things
we
end
up:
building
restrooms
at
a
boat
launch
that
are
two
stories
high
because
they're
in
the
flood
plain
and
they
cost
inordinate
amounts
of
money,
because
we're
constrained
by
the
same
codes
that
everybody
else
is
so
just
because
we're
the
government
doesn't
mean
we
get
a
pass
and
they
say
well:
clearwater
doesn't
have
to
abide
by
the
codes.
E
A
I
think
to
bruce's
point:
I
don't
think
we
necessarily
need
a
full,
detailed
explanation
and
you
know
powerpoint
presentation,
but
just
to
be
shown,
you
know
pictures
or
something
like
you
said,
or
a
blueprint
and
saying
here's
what
we're
thinking,
because
at
that
point
we
you
know
would
have
been
able
to
give
some
input
after
some
discussion
and
or
at
least
ask
the
question
and
you
can
come
back
and
be
like.
Oh,
it
was
a
code
issue.
So
that's
really
all
we
needed,
but
we
didn't
even
get
that
kind
of
thing.
It
was
just.
A
D
F
D
Sounds
pretty
good,
yeah
teal
is
flammable
and
the
sparks
I'm
sorry,
but
the
feeling
point
or
the
grounding
point
is
right
next
to
the
metal
of
the
structure
which
is
already
grounded
right.
So
the
grounding
point
to
me
should
be
right
underneath
the
engine,
so
you
could
have
a
nice
little
three
foot.
I
would
hook
it
up
every
day.
D
If
I
had
one
underneath
the
engine,
I
would
just
constantly
keep
it,
but
it's
over
where
it
doesn't
need
to
be
nobody's
going
to
put
a
20-foot
cord
to
go
to
this
grounding
point
to
trip
over
and
if
they
really
wanted
to,
they
just
put
a
clamp
on
the
metal.
That's
already
grounded,
so
it's
like.
What's
it
doing
there,
it's
accomplishing
nothing.
I
guarantee
you
nothing's
ever
going
to
be
connected
to
it.
D
I
don't
know
what
it
costs
to
put
them
in,
but
I
guarantee
you
nobody'll
agree
with
that
because
they're
in
a
funny
location-
and
maybe
maybe
if
I
had
seen
that
on
a
blueprint-
I
go-
I
can't
be
over
here
and
then
they
go
yeah.
Maybe
you
could
yeah.
Maybe
I
don't.
I
don't
know
who
required
it
to
be:
none
of
the
other
hangers
have
it.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
have
yeah
they're,
just
not
a
very
usable
location,
trivial.
E
Trying
to
emphasize
them,
but
to
the
end
user,
it's
not
trivial
because
it's
like.
Why
is
this
here
and
I
can't
use
it.
I
mean
I
get
it.
We
find
that
sometimes
I
mean
I'm
like
I've
told
you
I
have
to
qualify
here.
I
I
I
don't
have
that
level
of
expertise.
I
look
at
some
of
these
plans
and
I
look
at
conduit
runs
and
I
look
at
all
the
stuff
and
and
like
okay.
I
understand
this
picture
so
yeah.
E
I
think
some
of
that
would
be
beneficial
and
and
again
I
don't
want
to
make
promises
that
that
we
can
change
the
trajectory
of
some
of
these
because
engineering
and
planning
and
folks
that
do
this
day
in
and
day
out,
but
you
know
some
common
sense
stuff.
At
least
we
can
report
back
and
you
can
go
hey
what
about
this,
and
I
can
report
back
to
our
consultants
or
our
engineering
firm
and
go
hey.
Listen!
F
E
That
I
would
say
that
when
those
things
happen,
though,
you
know
it
has
to
come
from
you
guys
as
a
consensus,
so
this
body
would
have
to
come
to
a
consensus
to
say:
hey.
Can
you
bring
this
forward
to
the
consultant
as
our
liaison
this
concern
and
and
generate
consensus?
Now?
If
it's
you
know
it's
a
one-off,
we
got
to
be
careful
with
those,
because
you
know
every
time
someone
has
a
different
idea.
Then
we
end
up
playing
ping
pong
a
little
bit,
but.
C
C
But
and
again
that's
that's
all
you
know
the
epitome
of
that
was
probably
the
original
green
print.
It
was
a
stakeholder
document.
It
was
adopted
by
the
city.
We
won
a
national
award
for
mid-sized
sustainability,
city
state
sustainability
programs.
We
haven't
done
a
lot
about
it,
but
now
we've
got
dream
print.
Two
we're
going
to
try
it
again
10
years
later,
but
the
stakeholders
are
the
just
like
the
example
there.
If,
if
we
had
said
why
are
they
putting
that
at
that
end
because
we
had
the
information
and
they
know
where
it
would
be
used.
D
D
E
I
know
that,
but
no
we
we
can.
We
can
certainly
do
that
and-
and
I
think
probably
our
next
project
will
be-
the
overlay
I
would
say
is
where
we're
moving
towards
next
yeah,
so
one
of
those
two,
the
shade
hangers
or
the
overlay.
Depending
on
the
report
we
get
back
on
on
the
tarmac,
so
you
know
that's
that's
kind
of
in
our
finances.
Certainly,
that's
always
something
that
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
as
as
an
enterprise
fund.
E
You
know
we
we're
constrained
more
so
so
we
just
have
to
be
mindful
of
what
our
ability
to
pay.
It's
great
I
mean
there's
some
things
in
the
master
plan
that
looked
really
cool.
E
You
know
what's
important
for
safety
and
operability
today,
and
we
can
certainly
be
forward
thinking
and
look
for
opportunities
going
forward,
but
you
know
we
have
to
really
focus
on
those
those
issues
that
that
are
safety
and
and
quality
of
life.
If
you
will
at
their
park,
you
know
so
if
you've
got
a
shave,
hanger
and
the
corrosion's
falling
on
your
plane,
that's
a
problem,
so
you
know
that's
something
that
we're
taking
seriously
so.
G
From
an
op
standpoint,
just
a
question
for
barb:
what's
do
we
do
we
get
many
turbine
aircraft
in
in
the
airport.
B
Small
jets,
occasionally,
you
know
we
are
restricted
somewhat
by
the
length
of
our
runway
and
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
any
instrument
approaches
as
eric
mentioned
right,
but
we
do
get
king
ears.
We
had
two
king
ears
this
week.
What
about
what
about
jets
smaller
jets?
Yes,
but
occasionally
the
honda,
the
honda
jet
we
got.
We
had
that
this
week
we
had
a
vision
jet
in.
G
C
G
Two
weeks
ago,
this
this
gets
to
and
he
the
reason
I'm
asking
this
is,
you
know,
is,
as
the
director
brought
up
brought
up.
You
know
the
you
get
you
get
fought
on
the
tarmac,
you
get
somebody
spinning
up
and
you
start
blowing
debris
around
the
other.
The
other
option
that
I'm
sensitive
to
because
of
my
background
is-
and
I
think
all
the
jets
we're
talking
about-
have
higher
engines,
so
there's
no
chance
of
sucking
in
some
of
that
stuff.
But
that's
why
I
wanted
to
know
what
what
we
got
in
right.
B
Regarding
fought
on
the
runway,
you
know
every
morning
we
do
a
fog
check,
that's
standard
procedure
and
it's
foreign
objects
on
the
runway.
So
we
do
a
check
for
that
every
morning
and
then
occasionally
we'll
do
a
second
one,
but
you
know
occasionally
we
find
little
screws
or
things
that
fall
off
of
people's
airplanes.
D
B
Just
had
something,
I
guess
somebody
was
landing
and
we
had
a
visitor
which
was
boat
picks
as
the
way
they
described
it
to
me.
Evidently
he
didn't
follow
the
pattern
he
just
flew
in
which
happened
to
be
about
the
same
time.
Somebody
was
landing,
he
was
on
the
taxiway
and
the
way
the
wind
was
blowing
and
the
fact
that
his
rotor
wash-
I
guess
you
know,
toss
the
airplane
around
a
little
bit.
You
know
sounded.
B
Yeah
gino
came
and
told
me
about
it,
and
then
chris
happened
to
see
it.
Unfortunately,
chris
went
out
and
spoke
to
the
pilot
and
told
him
what
he
did,
and
you
know
he
should
have
followed
the
pattern
and
that
wouldn't
have
happened
so
right.
No,
nobody
was
injured.
I
mean
gino
handled
it.
He
just
added
power
and
went
around,
which
is
what
you
should
do
and
he
did
the
right
thing.
So
I
did
want
to
address
kelly's
question
about
arcadia.
I
just
looked
it
up
on
my
phone
they're
67.8
miles
away
from
clearwater
airpark.
B
A
B
A
So
I
wanted
to
give
just
a
quick
review,
because
we
had
discussed
as
a
board
to
go
to
the
city,
council
and
kind
of
give
a
review
of
what
we
have
been
doing
for
the
board.
We
did
that
the
end
of
last
november
and
just
kind
of
talked
about
a
little
bit
of
background
about
the
air
park
and
informed
the
council.
A
They
seemed
a
little
surprised
to
hear
that
a
couple
of
the
council
members
asked.
Did
we
not
feel
like
we
could
come
to
the
council
with
suggestions
for
things
as
a
board,
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
we
were
even
allowed
to
do
that,
I
thought
we
kind
of
had
to
wait
for
them
to
task
us
with
something
and
then
give
our
feedback
on
that.
A
But
according
to
them,
they
kind
of
wanted
to
hear
our
opinion
on
different
things
that
the
city
was
already
looking
at
or
if
we
just
had
any
suggestions
of
things
like
in
the
master
plan
that
we
would
want
them
to
be
aware
of
so
one
of
the
council
members
had
brought
up
the
city
green
print,
which
is
you
know,
as
their
green
initiative,
to
try
to
be
more
environmentally
friendly
and
they
asked
that
we
would
review
that.
So
I
know
I
think
it
was
mike
or
ed
one
of
them
had
sent
that
out
to
everybody.
A
So
if
anybody
had
time
to
review
it
and
kind
of
see
some
of
the
things
that
they
were
thinking
of
and
what
options
did,
we
think
could
be
possibly
incorporated
into
the
air
park
to
address
some
of
their
initiatives.
I'm
not
sure
if
anybody
else
got
to
read
it,
but
some
of
the
things
that
seem
like
a
quick
and
easy
thing,
and
I'm
not
even
sure
if
this
may
already
be
done,
would
be
switching
out
any
incandescent
lighting
for
led
lighting.
I'm
not
sure
if
you
know
more
about
that
barb
like
switching
out
any
lighting.
B
B
B
B
I
think
the
way
it
stated
in
the
lease
is
we
could
lend
the
tenant
the
han
the
ladder
and
you
could
put
your
own
bulbs
in,
but
that's
in
our
lease,
but
anyway
we
do
it,
because
it's
just
much
more
convenient
and
safer
for
us
to
do
it
than
have
tenants
up
there
trying
to
put
bulbs
in,
but
as
they
have
been
going
bad,
we
have
been
changing
them
to
leds.
A
D
B
I
know
years
ago,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
in
the
record
as
far
as
the
runway
lights
go.
I
think
when
gordy
was
here
he
did
a
study
about
changing
all
the
runway
lights
and
I
think
it
was
tremendously
expensive
and
not
able
to
be
done
at
that
time,
whether
they'll
revisit
that
again
in
the
future.
I
don't
know,
but
I
know
when
he
looked
at
it,
it
was
cost
prohibitive.
A
Well-
and
I
think
stuff
like
that,
would
be
good
to
know
as
well,
because
then
you
could
come
back
at
least
tell
the
city
council.
Members
of
you
know
this
was
looked
at
and
it
you
know
maybe
sometime
in
the
future,
but
right
now
it's
pretty
cost
prohibitive
to
do
that.
But
you
know
maybe
we
could
at
least
transfer
the
rest
of
the
hangars
into
the
led
guarantee.
A
And
so
the
other
thing
of
course,
was
solar,
and
I
know
ed
had
talked
about
that
before
about
seeing
if
there
was
a
feasibility
to
put
solar
panels
somewhere
on
the
airpark,
but
he
thought
there
would
have
to
be
some
more
study
into
that
to
make
sure
there
wasn't
any
kind
of
reflection
issues
or
anything
like
that.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
anything
anything
went
more
with
that
at
all.
So.
E
I
guess
I
have
to
circle
back
to
ambitious
plans
versus
practical
plans
and-
and
I
think
the
reality
of
some
of
these
and
again
I
I
like
to
see
a
consensus
from
council
and
I
think
this
body
needs
consensus
from
council
to
move
forward
with
with
items
too
so
a
lot
of
times,
we'll
have
a
council
member
or
two
that
have
questions
about
things.
That
doesn't
mean
because
I
don't
work
for
council.
That
doesn't
mean
I'm
acting
upon
those
now.
E
Certainly,
is
there
an
opportunity
for
solar
yeah
there's
an
opportunity
to
put
solar
everywhere,
but
at
what
cost?
I
think
any
solar
project
out
there
would
have
to
be
integrated
with
a
rebuild
of
the
terminal
building,
which
you
know,
we've
moved
that
down
the
road
because
it's
cost
prohibitive.
We
don't
have
the
funds
to
do
it.
E
A
A
F
E
E
Yeah
and
what
happens
too
is
once
you
engage
the
federal
component,
then
your
rules
change
and
there's
a
lot
more
asks
from
the
federal
government
in
terms
of
hours
of
operation,
and
I
think
you
probably
and
I'm
going
on
a
limb
here
so
either
you
can
kick
me
under
the
table,
but
you
know
you
probably
are
more
constrained
and
you
lose
some
autonomy
when
you
take
federal
funds,
you're
absolutely
right.
So
that's
a
guess.
G
It
would
be
wonderful,
I
mean
in
the
any
big
infrastructure
plan,
there's
a
lot
of
money
for
airports
and
it's
it's
partitioned
off
to
where
even
general
aviation
facilities
will
get
a
chunk
of
money,
not
everybody.
But
there's,
like
you
just
said,
there's
a
lot
of.
Let's,
let's
say
things
you
have
to
do
in
order
to
get
that
money
and
and
obligations.
G
You
know
it
doesn't
come
free,
it's
just
not
a
handout
that
you
can
put
your
money
in
your
pocket
and
go
so
I
I
don't
really
see
that
happening
here.
Right.
H
E
Yeah,
I
don't
know
enough
about
that.
So,
if
you,
if
you
do,
but
if
we
were
to
do
a
project
on,
let's
say
the
terminal
based
on
green
print,
we
we
would
be
looking
engineering
during
the
planning
process
would
be
looking
at
a
solar
component,
so
we're
doing
that
with
any
new
construction.
So
you
know
that
that's
certainly
part
of
the
calculus.
When
we're
doing
something
of
that
magnitude.
It's
it's
already
incorporated
into
the
thought
process.
You
know
so
how
many
square
feet
of
roof.
Do
we
have?
E
A
I
know
I
brought
up
with
ed
when
he
was
talking
about
the
shade
hangers
if
they
may
need
full
new
roofs
on
them
at
the
time.
Could
you
just
put
solar
panels
up
there,
and
that
was
when
he
was
bringing
up?
There
may
have
to
be
some
more
research
into
if
it
would
cause
some
sort
of
reflection
scenario.
That
may
not
be
good.
I
don't
really
know
if
yeah.
E
I
I
don't
know
either,
and
you
know
I
think
it
would
be
a
certainly
on
the
existing
terminal.
It's
a
non-starter
because
it's
a
prefab
giant
double
wide,
sorry,
but
but
that's
what
it
is,
so
it
wouldn't
be
conducive
to
it.
You
know,
but
any
future
projects
a
significant
infrastructure
project
involving
the
terminal
would
definitely
contemplate
that.
C
I
just
sat
through
a
presentation
last
saturday
on
solar
and
the
number
one
the
panels
the
price
is
coming
down
number
two:
the
capacity
is
going
up
five
years
ago.
The
standard
panel
you
see
on
the
roof
was
a
300
watt
and
it's
up
to
450
now,
four
years
later
and
the
cost
is
coming
down
the
amortization
five
years
ago
on
those
300
watt
panels
was
about
seven
years
to
what
you
would
save
and
it's
down
now
to
about
five
years,
so
those
tables
are
out
there
yeah,
I'm
sure
somebody.
You
know.
C
E
Yeah
and-
and
you
know
all
those
come
into
play
and
if
you
retrofit
an
existing
building
and
do
a
solar
inter
ti
system
is
what
you
want
to
you.
You
you're
not
powering
batteries,
to
provide
you
power
on
downtime,
you're,
doing
an
inner
tie
system
and
essentially
you're
selling
power
back
to
the
power
company
when
you're
using
more
or
you're
producing
more
than
you're.
Using,
I
mean
that's
the
principle
of
it
and
that's
how
you
you
get
your
your
net
benefit,
but,
ultimately
you
know
you
have
to
contemplate.
E
How
do
we
benefit
from
that
payback?
You
know
based
on
the
lease
construct,
so
you
know
you
have
to
calculate
that
into
a
lease
agreement,
but
it's
a
little
more
complicated
than
okay.
I
use
you
know
two
kilowatt
hours
a
day
and
I'm
producing
four
and
and
but
you
know
it's,
it's
certainly
something
that
they
are
integrating
into
any
new
projects
and-
and
I
think
it's
a
good
thing-
I
mean
it's
a
good
thing:
it's
an
ambitious
plan,
it's
a
good
plan
for
the
future.
C
E
A
So
to
continue
on
that,
and
I'm
not
not
sure
if
you
want
to
stay
there
and
maybe
answer
to
this
one
too,
or
have
some
comment
on
it.
But
I
know
we
have
brought
up
as
a
board
multiple
times
looking
to
try
to
get
in
swift
guests
there
at
the
airpark-
and
now
I
mean
we
said
it's
probably
not
gonna
happen
anytime
soon,
but
now
with
the
mandate
that
everybody
needs
to
be
on
to
unleaded
by
2030,
which
sounds
like
a
while
from
now.
A
But
I
think
that
time's
going
to
go
pretty
fast
and
to
throw
a
wrench
in
that
whole
situation.
The
environmental
protection
agency
is
looking
into
current
rulemaking.
That
would
limit
emissions
from
leaded
piston
aircraft,
which
could
put
more
stipulations
on
needing
to
change
over
to
unleaded
a
lot
sooner
than
the
2030
mandate.
So
there.
A
Resident
who
has
looked
into
this
and
had
requested
from
barb
in
2019
the
type
of
aircraft
that
were
there
at
the
airpark,
he
looked
up
to
see
if
they
were
able
to
currently
use
non-alcohol,
auto
fuel,
and
it
was
about
50
of
the
aircraft
currently
at
the
airport,
could
either
already
use
it
or
there
was
an
stc
available
for
them
to
start
using
it.
Now
I
was
like
well
what
about
supply,
and
I
guess
he
said
he
had
looked
into
it
and
mcmullen
oil
was
over
by
pie.
A
They
have
the
unleaded
fuel
there
available
to
be
a
supplier,
and
he
said
he
was
pretty
sure
that
the
air
park
already
uses
them
as
a
supplier
of
the
the
diesel
fuel
for
non-road
use
or
something
he
said
it's
over
in
a
little
trailer.
Looking
like
we
have
the
jet
a,
and
so
I
would
still
like
to
advocate
for
maybe
being
forward
thinking
and
trying
to
get
another
little
trailer.
That
just
has
you
know,
maybe
300
gallons
of
the.
I
know,
there's.
H
Yeah,
so
the
94
is,
is
what's
against
common
and
there's
a
couple
places
out
in
california,
so
they
suspect
that
there
might
be
one
airport
in
the
state
of
florida
that
sells
the
unleaded
fuel
to
the
aircraft.
So
it's
something
that
hasn't
caught
on
here,
yet
they're,
still
steady
and
they're
still
looking
into
it.
A
Yeah,
so
sebring
has
the
the
94
over
there
because
they
use
a
lot
of
row
taxes
over
there,
but
I
think
it
was
something
and
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
all
this.
The
94
was
a
little
bit
harder
to
use
in
some
other
aircraft
that
didn't
use
a
rotax,
but
the
89
or
the
91
unleaded
option
was
easier
and
I
guess
the
stc
is
basically
just
a
paperwork
formality.
A
D
Well,
I
know
that
there's
you
know
it's
one
of
these
things.
They
have
that
whole
fuel
initiative
that
really
thought
they'd
have
a
solution
by
now
and
it
has
kind
of
dragged
on,
but
this
of
course,
the
one
that
I
think
is
the
most
readily
feasible.
Is
this
gamey
100
ul
100,
it's
still
100
octane
fuel
with
no
lead
in
it
and
the
unleaded
or
the
non-ethanol
bone.
Gas
is
not
the
same
as
that,
and
you
know
I.
I
guess.
I
think
that
we
just
got
to
let
that
sort
itself
out.
D
A
A
D
Bring
you
had
a
couple
of
those
airports
in
california.
That
said,
you
can't
sell
a
lot
of
fuel,
yeah
they're
going
say
what
you
know
or
you
you.
You
can't
settle,
sell,
let
it
fuel
period
as
of
the
end
of
this
year,
yeah
they're
going,
but
there's
no
real
alternative.
Yet
you
know
and
then
that's
probably
not
the
right
direction
to
be
taking.
You
know
and
I'm
not
saying
we
would
be
taking
that
direction
at
all,
but.
B
Well,
I
just
want
to
mention
that
I
have
spoken
to
our
fuel
supplier
about
this,
and
you
know
he
sent
me
a
several
page
thing
where
they,
you
know
we
sell
phillips
66.
They
are
working
diligently
to
come
up
with
this
testing
retesting
because
they
don't
want
to
come
out
with
a
fuel.
That's
not
going
to
be
compatible
with
airplanes
that
are
existing
and
you
know
they're.
Looking
that
what
they're
going
to
create
is
going
to
fit
our
infrastructure.
B
You
know,
and
what
you're
talking
about
that's
just
that
little
tank
that
we
have
from
mcmullen,
that's
just
for
vern
to
use
in
the
tractor
and
the
diesel
lawn
mower.
It's
a
five
like
we'd,
get
like
three
to
three
to
five
hundred
gallons
so
for
the
whole
season.
He
has
that
and
the
thing
that
we
have
for
the
jet
a
we
call
it
the
bowser,
that's
not
where
we
store
the
fuel.
B
That's
only
the
fuel
is
in
the
fuel
farm
that
is
just
holds,
400
gallons,
so
that
we
can
pull
that
right
up
to
an
airplane.
We
used
to
have
to
pull
airplanes
to
the
fuel
farm,
to
fuel
it.
So
so
that's
not
I
mean
if
you
were
going
to
go
to
a
different
type
of
fuel.
You'd
have
to
make
sure
like
bruce
said
it
would
fit
our
infrastructure,
but
we're
waiting
to
hear
what
our
fuel
supplier
in
philip
66
has
to
say.
B
A
Yeah
and
that's,
I
know
that
there
would
be
a
lot
more
time
and
money
that
would
go
into
building
additional
fuel
farm
stuff.
So
my
thought
was
just
well
for
now.
You
could
just
keep
only
that
three
to
five
hundred
gallon
whatever
you
called
it
buoy
thing
and
then
see
how
things
went,
but
I
do
agree
because
I
don't
know
enough
about
it
of
waiting
until
there
is.
D
Yeah,
you
know,
there's
the
one,
the
one
maker
of
tetrael
they're,
an
english
firm.
They
want
out
of
the
business.
They
said
we
really
would
prefer
not
to
produce
it
anymore,
but
we
will
continue
to
do
it
as
long
as
aviation
fuel
requires
it,
and
then
we
want
to
get
out
of
the
business
when
we
can
so
that's
an
incentive.
D
This
2030
is
fine.
They
need
to
establish
the
date
and
work
towards
it,
because
that's
how
things
get
done
is
when
you
don't
have
any
other
alternatives
when
the
date's
there
and
you
have
to
make
it
happen-
the
fuel
initiative,
whatever
the
name
of
those
letters,
were,
has
not
been
as
successful
as
I
think
most
of
us
thought
it
would
be.
By
now
I
mean
I
remember
listening
to
a
thing
in
oshkosh
five
years
ago,
where
we
thought
we
were
two
years
away.